1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: A Diddy shock demand hide victim Cassie Venturra's pregnant tummy 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: from the jury. 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Really, I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us. 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: Cassie Ventira on the stand in the court of law 7 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: in the criminal trial of Shawn Comes aka Diddy. 8 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: And what is that I'm hearing? 9 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a death knell. Joining me from the 10 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: courthouse is Lauren Conlin. 11 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: In the courtroom throughout the day. 12 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: Lauren, First of all, let's just start chronologically to Cassie 13 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: Venturra to making the stand. They did a long laid 14 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 2: up to her to put her on the stand. Tell 15 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: me how was the jury responding to her testimony. 16 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 4: Cassie did get to the point where she discussed the 17 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 4: psychological abuse as well as the physical abuse that she 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 4: received from Diddy, and the jury was listening intently. And 19 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 4: it's also interesting because Sean Colmes seems to be pretty 20 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 4: stoic throughout this. Now one thing that also seems to 21 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 4: be present throughout her testimony is how much Cassie actually loved. 22 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 5: Him at one point. 23 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 4: So I believe that they are going to move on 24 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 4: and start really focusing on the abuse. 25 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 5: But so far it's been tough. 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 4: It's been hard for everybody, and Cassie herself had needed 27 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: some moments to wipe her nose, take some breaths. She 28 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 4: does appear very very sad and very very somber and 29 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 4: as you know, very pregnant. 30 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: You know, it's really interesting, Lauren Collin. One of the 31 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 2: first things that Sean comes is to million dollar defense 32 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: team did was demand that she be seated in the 33 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: witnessed seat before the jury came in so they could 34 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: not see her baby Billy. 35 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: What happened, Well. 36 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 4: They had been discussing this previously, about how pregnant she 37 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 4: looked and the fact that maybe the jury could feel 38 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 4: sympathy for her. 39 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 5: So yeah, she was brought in first, and then the 40 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 5: jury was brought. 41 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: In, you know, earlier this morning, just before they broke 42 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: for lunch, Cassie Ventura described how free costs actually became 43 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: a job lasting thirty six to forty eight hours, the 44 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: longest one lasting. 45 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: Up to four days. 46 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 2: No wonder the participants needed IV fluids after a free call. 47 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: I'm just curious to Lauren Collin joining us at the courthouse, 48 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: how was the jury responding? 49 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 4: What I will say is Cassie made a point to 50 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 4: say that when she wasn't making music, she was actually 51 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 4: having to quote recover. 52 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 5: From these freakoffs. 53 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 4: And again she did say these freak offs lasted between 54 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 4: one and four days, and it would take her an 55 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 4: equal amount of time to get her body recovered, to rehydrate, 56 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 4: to rest, to detox from these drugs. 57 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 5: It was really really sad to listen. 58 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: To joining us an all star panel to make sense 59 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: of what we are learning, also, Lauren Conlin, we are 60 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: learning that the defense made an argument to the jury 61 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: through their cross examination and in their opening statements that 62 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: the victims in this case were quote strong women that 63 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: had millions of reasons to stay in the relationship with 64 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: Sean Combs. 65 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: In other words, that is a peak and to what their. 66 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: Cross examination is going to be of Cassie Ventira trying 67 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: to state that she wanted to be in the relationship, 68 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: she was a willing participant in the relationship, and she 69 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: got a lot of money from Sean Combs. Do you 70 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: see that going anywhere? Do you recall that was part 71 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: of their opening statements. 72 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 4: Yes, it was part of their opening statements. They made 73 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 4: a point to say that these women are all in 74 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 4: control of their lives. The other Jane, she is a 75 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 4: single mom. They said, she makes decisions, you know, for 76 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 4: her children and for her family, so she could easily 77 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 4: get out of this relationship. But what I do think 78 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 4: was interesting, Nancy, is during Cassie's testimony, she said that 79 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 4: Seawann Holmes did pay for a number of her homes, 80 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 4: but she paid for a home, a home that she 81 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 4: had in Studio City, and she was killed that she 82 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 4: could finally pay for a home and she wasn't tethered 83 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 4: to Shawn Holmes. She had something of her own. So 84 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 4: I thought this was really interesting. 85 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 5: You know, it made us. 86 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 4: Realize that she wasn't heavily reliant on him. She did 87 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 4: want to separate from him. He was just making it 88 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 4: incredibly difficult to do. 89 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: So, guys, the argument is going to be made to 90 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: the jury not to believe Cassie Ventura now on the 91 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: stand throughout the afternoon, the jury listening intently. 92 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: To everything she has to say, and to you. 93 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner joining us also covering the case from the 94 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: very beginning Crime Stories investigative reporter. 95 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: She made quite the impression. 96 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: When she walked into that courtroom, even though Sean Comes 97 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: had at one point demanded the jury not be exposed 98 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: to her pregnant stomach. Describe what she looked like, Sidney Fancy. 99 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 6: Today, Cassie's wearing a body con a tight turtleneck brown 100 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 6: dress to really show off that baby buck. So the 101 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 6: jury is very interested in her. Homes actually turned around 102 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 6: in his seat to watch her as she crossed the 103 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 6: room to the witness stand. Taffy is very obviously about 104 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 6: to pop. She's eight and a half months pregnant, so 105 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 6: that's very clear, especially in her outfit today. 106 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: Speaking of the attack on Cassie Venturo, who, as you 107 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: all know, this case wide open. A much of her 108 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: civil complaint at Sean Combs as a result of the 109 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: Cassie beat down video obtain from the Intercontinental Hotel, is 110 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: going to be mirrored in the criminal case. The defense 111 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: is going to turn that around, turn it on its ear, 112 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: and claim that Cassie Ventura is only in this because 113 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: she wants money. But remember, her civil case has already settled. 114 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 2: There's no money in this for her at this juncture. 115 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 2: That civil case is over and the defense is arguing 116 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: something very insidious. 117 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: Listen. 118 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 7: Garrigos also insists the women in the government claims Combs 119 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 7: exploited were absolutely they're willingly. Garigos says the women who 120 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 7: will take the stand against Combs were strong, capable and 121 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 7: in love with the men they now. 122 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: Call their abuser. 123 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 7: Garrigos points out that Cassie stayed for ten years. Garrigo says, 124 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 7: while everyone may agree that Combs was a bad boyfriend, 125 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 7: he did not force women to be with him. Garrigos 126 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 7: suggests that Comb's abusers have several million reasons to come 127 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 7: forward now, all of them money boyfriend. 128 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: I'm so glad they said that in opening statements. I'm 129 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: so glad that they reduced the state's case down and 130 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: everything these victims have to say to Shawncam's being. 131 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 1: A bad Oh, there it is again. 132 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: The defense actually said this is all about Shawn Come's 133 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: being a bad boyfriend. Well, a multi count federal indictment 134 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: says something very different. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining US psychoalyst 135 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: out of LA, author of deal Breakers. She's on Peacock 136 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: now and you can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall 137 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: dot com. Doctor Bethany a bad boyfriend. That's certainly putting 138 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: perfume on the pig. 139 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, didn't they say an opening that there 140 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 8: was domestic violence, but that's not what he was on 141 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 8: trial for, and now they reduced it down to him 142 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 8: being a bad boyfriend. Of course, she was there for 143 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 8: ten years. On average, it takes a woman nine attempts 144 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 8: at leaving an abuser before she's finally able to get away. 145 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 8: And Nancy, in that riveting testimony today, she said Seawan 146 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 8: Colmes controlled every part of her life, not only making 147 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 8: her plan the part of the freak offs. He controlled 148 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 8: her look, her social life, who she could see, her 149 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 8: psychological well being. She was well trained to always worry 150 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 8: about what he thought about her. And she also said 151 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 8: he was highly critical. Imagine that she did everything for 152 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 8: him and he could do nothing but beat her and 153 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 8: criticize her. Hmm, that's not a bad boyfriend, that's worse. 154 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: Now joining us at the courthouse, Angelica Martinez Servina, Crime 155 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: online dot Com investigative reporter. You know, when Cassie Ventira 156 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: came into the courtroom, Angelica, all eyes on Cassie, including 157 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 2: Sean comes Now, when earlier witnesses were on the stand, 158 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: specifically the stripper, the sex worker, that he paid to 159 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: urinate and to cass his mouth, and she described how 160 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: she choked on it, actually choked, thought she was choking, 161 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: but was willing to do anything to keep Sean Combs 162 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: happy and to placate him and avoid a violent outburst, 163 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: opposed to the way he acted when a sex worker 164 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 2: came on the stand. This is rare for Combs. He 165 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: turned all the way in his chair. Grandpa turned around. 166 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: I'm surprised he doesn't have a motorized scooter because he's 167 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: let his hair go white. He's dressed up in a 168 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: turtlenet I mean a pullover sweater again and looking like 169 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,119 Speaker 2: everybody's favorite grandpa. 170 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: But he turned around to watch her walk in the room. 171 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: Now he's given a lot of steely gazes at witnesses. 172 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: On the stand. 173 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: I'm very interested in the fact that he broke protocol 174 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: and watched her turned around and watched her walk in. 175 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: Along with the. 176 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: Jury Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 177 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: Joining me is a special guest. It's Brett Brown joining 178 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: us out. 179 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: Of Lexington, Kentucky executive director SASS Surviving Assault Standing Strong. 180 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: Brett. 181 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: You heard doctor Bethany speaking earlier about the fact that 182 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: some of These women stayed in the relationship when they 183 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: could have, you know, from an outside looking in, have left. 184 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: That's what the defense is. This is not a sex 185 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: trafficking case. There was no sex trafficking. These women were 186 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: here willingly. You know, all the years nine years I 187 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 2: worked as a volunteer at the Batter Women's Center on 188 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: the hot lines, I understood the theory behind why women stay, 189 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: but I could never really grasp it here. Cassie Ventira 190 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: feared her whole career would go down the drains, down 191 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 2: the dragon, that Combs would destroy her or kill her 192 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: if she tried to leave. 193 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 9: Absolutely, fear was a huge motivating factor in Casey's case. 194 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 10: That Cassie, excuse me. 195 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: And it is amazing. 196 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 9: To me that in the same sentence the defense will 197 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 9: describe Sean Combs as a violent drug user and then 198 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 9: say women were willing participants and wanted to stay in 199 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 9: the relationship, because drugs and violence do not a willing 200 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 9: participant make. If fear is in the room, consent is not. 201 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 9: And Cassie during that time was out of choices because 202 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 9: this was a man with seemingly unlimited power and willing 203 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 9: to use it to do whatever it takes to get 204 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 9: what he wants. I think if I really boiled this down. 205 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 9: The defense called Shawn Combs a complicated man. 206 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: He's not. 207 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 9: He is a vile, greedy abuser who is incredibly insecure, 208 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 9: and he should be because leaders have followers who want 209 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 9: to be there. He could not manage it. He uses force. 210 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 9: When he used force with Cassie, she saw him for 211 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 9: what he really is and he hated her for it. 212 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 9: And now we can see it too. 213 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: Also, there is corroboration, which every defense attorney hates. Corroboration 214 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: to what Cassie Ventura is telling the jury about the 215 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: beatings and the abuse she endured at the hands of 216 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: Shawn Comb's aka Diddy. There is a witness, and typically 217 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: this type of abuse happens behind closed doors, but Shawn 218 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 2: Combs had become so arrogant he allowed others to witness 219 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: the beating. Straight back out to Lauren Colin at the courthouse, 220 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: explain what we learned from Daniel Phillip. 221 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 4: He witnessed Seawan Colmes allegedly hit Cassie at one point, 222 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 4: drag her by the hair while she's kicking and screaming 223 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 4: and screaming, sorry, sorry, I'm sorry. And because of that, 224 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 4: because of what he witnessed, he actually shared, but he 225 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 4: was unable to perform sexually after that for the couple. 226 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: Also, we or learning from the evidence pouring from the witness. 227 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: Stand for those of you just joining US State's. 228 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: Witness, the star witness not chronologically states witness number one, 229 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: but definitely the premiere witness. Cassie Ventura on the stand 230 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: the entire day, heavily pregnant, although an original request that 231 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: the jury not see her walk in so they couldn't 232 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: see her pregnant stomach, that she be seated already when 233 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: the jury was brought in. We know where the defense 234 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: is coming from with that request, but we're learning a 235 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: lot from the testimony about what she endured, not just 236 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: the Cassie Ventira beat down video from the Intercontinental Hotel, 237 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: but more from a witness listen. 238 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 11: Even though Ventura did not want to participate in the 239 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 11: freak offs, she knew what refusal meant a brutal beating. 240 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 11: Ventura eventually learned to stop resisting and was even asked 241 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 11: to arrange some of the freak offs her. On top 242 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 11: of the threat of physical violence, Colms took it a 243 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 11: step further with a promise to release videos of the 244 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 11: encounters and publicly humiliate his girlfriend if she didn't keep 245 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 11: up with the performances. Ventura felt that if she wanted 246 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 11: to continue performing on stage, she also had to perform 247 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 11: in her boyfriend's hotel room. 248 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: Graphic testimony about a paid six worker being asked to 249 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: urinate into Cassy Ventura's mouth to doctor Bethany Marshall, what 250 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: is that? 251 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: Isn't there an. 252 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: Actual psychological reasoning, psychological motivation behind that type of request? 253 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 8: Yes, I think what p did he was allegedly trying 254 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 8: to do, was to humiliate her and force her into 255 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 8: submission by having another man have sex with her. One 256 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 8: of the terms we use as cuckholding, which means just 257 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 8: viewing your partner have sex with another individual. But he 258 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 8: orchestrated every aspect of their sexual encounter and would masturbate 259 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 8: during it, allegedly so he would tell the sex worker 260 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 8: whether he should come inside her, who should ejaculate on her, 261 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 8: whether to urinate. Is like he was a film director, Nancy, 262 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 8: and if he didn't please Shawn Didny Combs, if the 263 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 8: sex worker didn't, then he would become abusive towards Cassie 264 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 8: there's one report that Cassie said on the stand, actually 265 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 8: the sex worker did that. Sean Combs was upset at 266 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 8: her for her for her performance, so he took her 267 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 8: into another room and the sex worker could hear him 268 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 8: slapping Cassie. And it's at that point I believe that 269 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 8: the sex worker lost his ability to perform breaking. 270 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: Now the entire day Star witness Cassie Ventiro on the 271 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 2: stand and the States case against Seawn comes a multi 272 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: count federal AI indictment. You know, in the very beginning, 273 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: we heard the prosecutor state that there were two ditties 274 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: that he was very complicated. I don't find it complicated 275 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: at all, but there was a ditty persona that he 276 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: projected to the world and then the other ditty that 277 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: took part in heinous beatings and bizarre sex acts, forcing 278 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: women to take part in very demeaning and humiliating behavior. 279 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,119 Speaker 2: Straight back to Lauren Colin standing by at the courthouse, 280 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: Lauren way In, we were subjected to the infamous Cassie video, 281 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: as was the jury, about three times. 282 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 4: At one point we had to watch it frame by frame. 283 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 4: It's more and more painful each time you watch it. 284 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 4: And Sean Colmes, he didn't flinch. He was stoic sitting 285 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 4: throughout all of that. Now, towards the end of the day, 286 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 4: when we heard the testimony of the male's ripper or 287 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 4: the male escort, it was incredibly graphic. 288 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: Now interesting, thanks Lauren. Interesting we heard the prosecutor laying 289 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 2: the foundation for this and her opening statement, Listen. 290 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 12: Johnson insists this trial is not about a celebrity's private 291 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 12: sexual preferences, but Combe's use of company resources to sexually 292 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 12: exploit women. Johnson says Cassie Ventura didn't know what she 293 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 12: was signing up for when Combe's first approached her about 294 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 12: his freak offs, but as she choked while an escort 295 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 12: urinated into her mouth at Combe's direction, she quickly determined 296 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 12: it was not something she wanted to participate in. 297 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 2: Again, every member of that jury is going to think 298 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 2: about Cassie Ventira choking on a sex worker's urine, and 299 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: they're looking at this beautiful lady on the stand, a 300 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 2: mother of three, now heavily pregnant about to give birth. 301 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: You know, it was so graphic. 302 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, to Colin, is it true 303 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: that Shawn Combs's daughters got up and left the courtroom 304 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: during the testimony. 305 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 4: At one point, Dinny's daughters actually had to get up 306 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 4: and leave the courtroom. 307 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 5: And I don't blame them, and. 308 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: Don't blame them either, Lauren Colin straight out to special 309 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 2: guests joining us, Rob Shooter, host of Naughty but Nice podcast, 310 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: former publicists of Sean Combs, y'all to write a book 311 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 2: about that, But you're already the author of the four 312 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: word answer. 313 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, thank you for being with us. 314 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: We're talking about what the prosecutor said in the beginning 315 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: of the case. Now, of course, Cassie Vtture has been 316 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: on the stand all day, but Rob Shooter, she the prosecutor, 317 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: Emily Johnson stated that there were two Shawn Combs. The 318 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: one that beats people, leaving knots on their heads, dragging 319 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 2: them up and down halls, just performing all sorts of dominiate, demeaning. 320 00:18:55,560 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: And humiliating acts on the women. But then there's the other. 321 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 2: Sean comes the start, the celebrity who's charming and gregarious. 322 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 2: Did you see both sides of Coms? We need work 323 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 2: for him as a public relations person. 324 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 13: Yeah, didd he is a very very complicated person. He's 325 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 13: very much in control. He controls his own narrative. He 326 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 13: determines how he wants to be presented, he determines what 327 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 13: photographs he wants released of him. And so this is 328 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 13: a celebrity who's very aware of manipulating his public image. 329 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 13: He's do really really good job of convincing us that 330 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 13: he is somebody that now we know isn't the truth. 331 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 13: And so I think with didd he we all see 332 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 13: one side of him for over what two decades? Now 333 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 13: we think we know did he? He's that fun guy? 334 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 13: Look at him. Partying is out, he throws great events, 335 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 13: he's funny. We've seen him on talk shows where he's 336 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 13: been witty and charming. 337 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 5: Now we know that that isn't. 338 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 13: The truth that did he? Did he? Behind the scenes? 339 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 13: The truth about is much much more dog. 340 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to circle back to you, but 341 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: you sparked a thought in my mind. Back out to 342 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 2: the courthouse with Lauren Collins standing by, is it true 343 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 2: that Shawon Corimbs actually took out a Bible in front 344 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: of the jury. 345 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, he appeared to be flipping through a Bible. At 346 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 4: one point. He gave a thumbs up to his kids, 347 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 4: waved and blue kisses at. 348 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 5: His mother and he yeah. 349 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 4: He sid seemed to calm down after that, and when 350 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 4: the jury walked in, I noticed that Diddy did not 351 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 4: take his eyes off of them. 352 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 2: It doesn't end there to Sydney Sumner also covering everything 353 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 2: happening in the court in Sidney Sumner. From what I understand, 354 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: the Shawnchbs family was in front of the courthouse praying 355 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: and reading the Bible before court. 356 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 6: Yes, Nancy, they were spotted in a circle holding hands 357 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 6: with their head ballot in prayer just before Cathy took 358 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 6: the stand. You know. 359 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: Eric Fattus, veteran trial lawyer joining me out of Colorado. 360 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 2: Founding partner Varner Fattus Legal, former felony prosecutor. 361 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm all for. 362 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: Reading the Bible, and I am all for being close 363 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 2: to the Lord, but when it is used as a stunt, 364 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: I mean, it's one thing to ask forgiveness. Of course, 365 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: I'm certainly no biblical scholar, right, It's one thing to 366 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: ask for forgiveness, but it's another thing to ask for 367 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: our Holy Father to get our ass out of a 368 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: slang technical legal term, I mean it's a ploy, Fattest, 369 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 2: a ploy, and I find that very off putting, very 370 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 2: off putting. Not necessarily the family, because I can only 371 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 2: imagine what comes as mother is going through. But I mean, 372 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: in my mind, his family is innocent. 373 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: You know, he's got those young girls and other children. 374 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 2: But him the gall trying to use the Bible, the 375 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 2: Holy Bible, as a problem. 376 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 10: This one seems hard for or even meets the financy. 377 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 10: I mean, look in the courtroom, it appears so transparent 378 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 10: what he's trying to do in terms of garnering sympathy. 379 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 10: The thing is, he should be paying attention to the trial. 380 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 10: He should be taking notes, he should be giving input 381 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 10: to his counsel. He should be listening to the testimony 382 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 10: and raising points with his attorneys that they can use 383 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 10: to try to help it. Instead, he's sitting there kind 384 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 10: of putting on this act with the Bible that everybody 385 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 10: and their brother can see right through. 386 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I'm curious about this. 387 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 2: Brian Vus Gibbons is joining US Direct Operations USP, a 388 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 2: nationwide security leading a team of forensic investigators. 389 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: Brian, what the heart in my mind. 390 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 2: Of this case is for the jury is proving not 391 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 2: just that Sean Comb's beat and humiliated women and rape 392 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 2: them but that he had a group of people around him. 393 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: That's why there's a RICO count, right, Not just one 394 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 2: person is involved in RICO. An enterprise, a criminal organization 395 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: or enterprise. We think of it as being used to 396 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: get the mob, right, but it can be used for 397 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: gang activity or any time that you have a network 398 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: facilitating criminal acts. 399 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: Right. 400 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: This is not just about Seawn Combs being a bad boyfriend. 401 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: This is about an enterprise, a group of people flying 402 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: in sex workers, drugging women, facilitating videos of them being 403 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 2: raped and soidomized while they're passed out. And where you 404 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: come into this, Fitzgibbons, is the use of digital forensics 405 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: like that intercontinental video, like phone evidence, so much more. 406 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: How is a state going to prove that this is 407 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: more than just Seawn Combs being a tyrant a bad boyfriend, 408 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 2: to put it euphemistically, how do we. 409 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: Prove that forensically, Forsgibbons. 410 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 14: You're going to see as the days unfold here, Nancy, 411 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 14: that you know, and when we think back to that 412 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 14: raid just a few months ago, the amount of devices 413 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 14: that we're seized will produce a tremendous amount of digital evidence. 414 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 14: Not to mention what's going to be coming in from 415 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 14: the witnesses the prosecution are going to bring out here 416 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 14: that will provide a harrowing tale of Giddy's enterprise and 417 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 14: all of those who have been involved in the cover. 418 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: Up and its gibbons. I know that it's not as. 419 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: Gosh, what's the right word sexy as some people would 420 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 2: call it, as exciting and dramatic as putting a beautiful 421 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: young mom like casiv Interiro on the stand. But all 422 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 2: the victims in this case are going to be subjected 423 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: to a searing cross examination such as how much did 424 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 2: you make off that civil lawsuit against him? 425 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: Did he pay for one, two, three, and four? For you? 426 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: You stayed willingly. 427 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 2: You could have left, couldn't you, But you didn't because 428 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: you wanted to be there, and now you want to 429 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 2: put him in jail. 430 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: That's how that cross exam is going to go. So 431 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: these victims are going to need. 432 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 2: Corroboration, They're going to need digital in forensic corroboration. I'm 433 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 2: hearing in my ear doctor Bethany Marshall. Won't see it, 434 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, before you jump in. You're a philia. You're 435 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: a philia. What is it? 436 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: Well, it's a perversion. 437 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 8: It's in the DSM, and it is becoming aroused by 438 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 8: the site, sound, or smell of urination. 439 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: Okay, well, well wait, the sight, the sound, or the 440 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 2: smell of urination. 441 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: You can't just drop a bomb on me like. 442 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 8: That, and perhaps sometimes even consuming it. Repeat, becoming aroused 443 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 8: by the sight, sound, or smell of urination, and sometimes 444 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 8: by consuming another person's urine. 445 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 2: Okay, Fattest, you're the veteran defense attorney, so you're going 446 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 2: to expect a jury to believe that cassi Ventura was 447 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: sexually aroused by the sight, the sound, the smell, or 448 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: even ingesting. 449 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: Piss. 450 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 10: You know, certainly some graphic and concerning testimony that's come forward. 451 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 10: You know, I think the defense team is going to 452 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 10: style this as people have different proclivities, they have different preferences, 453 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 10: and even when you know, sometimes you have a partner 454 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 10: and they might have a preference that you don't necessarily share, 455 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 10: but you're willing to participate in it due to your 456 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 10: love for them or for some other reason. And so 457 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 10: I think the defense is going to say, hey, there's 458 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 10: going to be some inflammatory evidence like this, and it's 459 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 10: not for the faint of heart, but a bad boy 460 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 10: lifestyle isn't the same thing as a criminal lifestyle. I 461 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 10: think that's what defense could are. 462 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: You hear that, faddest, you know what that is? 463 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 2: Right? 464 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: Good luck trying to argue that with a straight face. 465 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: We are live at the courthouse bringing you the latest 466 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 2: in State versus. Sean Comes aka Didty aka Puff aka 467 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: Puffy aka Puff Daddy aka Love and it goes on 468 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 2: straight out to Angelica Martinez Servina joining us at the courthouse, 469 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 2: Crime Stories investigative reporter and Jelica. 470 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: Tell me what's happening outside the courthouse, Nancy. 471 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 6: It's a very colorful scene outside of the courtroom. We've 472 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 6: got a lot of people. We had reports that there 473 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 6: were a lot of people lining up as early as yesterday, 474 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 6: as soon as sports a smith so that they could 475 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 6: get a spot in today. 476 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 4: For today's court. 477 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 6: There's a lot of different fansy face of borders of Diddy. 478 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 6: We actually had a guy just right over there playing 479 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 6: some of Biddy's best hits. We've got a guy right 480 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 6: behind us proclaiming that Diddy is the devil. There's, you know, 481 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 6: a lot of varying opinions in the courtroom, and again, 482 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 6: a lot of big people excited to watch this. It's 483 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 6: a huge trial. It's such a big moment in popular culture, 484 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 6: you know, for this generation and whatnot. So there's a 485 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 6: lot of people paying attention. There's a lot of eyes 486 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 6: on the trial. 487 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 2: You know what, Angelica, I'm very worried that you're actually correct, 488 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall. Well, hear Angelica Martinez Servina at the 489 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 2: courthouse saying that this is a big moment in pop culture. 490 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: That's very disturbing. Yeah, remember what happened when Michael Jackson died. 491 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: I any some kind of icon. 492 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean these people with Michael Jackson, they rushed 493 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 8: the hospital. 494 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: In this case, they're going to rush the court. There 495 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: are a lot of people who. 496 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 8: Are going to be very, very disappointed and upset if 497 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 8: and when P Diddy goes to jail. But they have 498 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 8: really identified their own success with him. These pop culture followers, 499 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 8: these fanboys and fangirls, their happiness hinges on P Diddy. 500 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 8: When he goes to jail, they they're going to be 501 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 8: very dysporked, very sad. It's going to be a huge 502 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 8: ripple effect through society. 503 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm curious. 504 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 2: Back to Rob Shooter joining us on PR guru four 505 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 2: Sean Combs. 506 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: We were talking earlier about the two sides of Sean Combs. 507 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: I think there are many more size and most of 508 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: them are criminal, but that's just me. We see him 509 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: manipulating the jury in the way he is dressing. 510 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: I mean just curious. 511 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 2: Did you ever see Sean Combs wearing reading glasses? 512 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 11: Never? 513 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 13: Not once. I never saw him without his hair being 514 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 13: perfectly styled. I never saw him without a Maani, a 515 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 13: Guccia Prada suits on. Let me tell you a little story. 516 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 13: One so I was with Puffy flying on a private 517 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 13: plane and I had all the press there to see 518 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 13: his arrival, and Puff was really mad with me because 519 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 13: he didn't want the press filming him arriving in his car. 520 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 13: He wanted the airplane behind him. He thought that image 521 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 13: would be better. The reason I tell you that story 522 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 13: is those are the type of details that really mattered 523 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 13: to him. So when you see him reading a Bible, 524 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 13: when you see him with gray hair, when you see 525 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 13: him staring at the jury, turning around to look at Cassie, 526 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 13: none of that is by accident. All of that is planned. 527 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 13: Puffy plans his life like a movie, and he's the 528 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 13: director and the star. 529 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: Wow, Shooter, it's trying to take in everything you're saying 530 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: because this is critical. 531 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: This is critical to what's. 532 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 2: Happening with the jury right now for those of you 533 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 2: just joining us. Cassie Ventura, star witness for the state, 534 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 2: who really crack this case wide open, has been on 535 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 2: the stand all day heavily, heavily pregnant to you, Rob Shooter. 536 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: I'm just curious about so many things that only you 537 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: could explain for me. 538 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: I want to hear that again. 539 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 2: So you arrange for the press to be at a 540 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: particular moment when Seawan Colmbs was arriving by private jet. 541 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: Now what happened. 542 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 13: Yeah, the cameras were facing the terminal, so they were 543 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 13: looking at the terminal, and as his car came down 544 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 13: the runway practically the tarmac, we shot him. He went 545 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 13: mad at me, telling me that a terminal is not sexy, 546 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 13: a private plane is sexy. So we restaged his entrance, 547 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 13: We flipped the press around, and they only shot him 548 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 13: when his car pulled up to the steps of the plane. 549 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 13: It sounds like a silly little detail, but these are 550 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 13: the silly little details. Did He has spent twenty years 551 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 13: obsessing about He's aware that that jury, that those twelve 552 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 13: people are watching him, and he has a narrative, a 553 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 13: story that he's going to tell them. 554 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 2: You know, yesterday I was told, no way would Sean 555 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 2: Colmbs have a stylist. 556 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 5: B s. 557 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: He's got a stylist, he's got a jury consultant. 558 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 2: He's got a fleet of highly paid lawyers to the 559 00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 2: tune of tin million dollars. So is there any chance 560 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 2: in h e double l that Sean comes His outfits 561 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 2: are not carefully orchestrated. 562 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 5: No chance. 563 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 13: He will have looked over look books. He will have 564 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 13: had conversations whether or not he should be wearing his 565 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 13: own fashion line. He has a fashion line called Sean John. 566 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 13: They decided against this, And so I've never seen him 567 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 13: in a button down white shirt and a sweater at 568 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 13: a jumper. That just isn't how he dresses. But that's 569 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 13: how he's going to dress for the next couple of 570 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 13: weeks because he wants that jewelry to think of him 571 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 13: as mister Rogers, the neighbor next door, the guy they 572 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 13: can trust. That's what he wants them to think, and 573 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 13: that's what he's selling. 574 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 5: And I got to admit it. 575 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 13: Nancy I'm not happy about this, but I think he's 576 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 13: doing a pretty good job at selling this side of him. 577 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: Wash your filthy mouth out with soap you brought up, 578 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 2: mister Rogers. Let me ask you, in all the time 579 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 2: that you worked for Sean Comes, did you ever see 580 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 2: him read the Bible? 581 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 8: Never? 582 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 5: Not once. 583 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 13: I didn't see him quote the Bible talk about the Bible. 584 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 13: There was only one God in did his world, and 585 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 13: that was did he did. He was the king, he 586 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 13: was God, he was in charge. I think he has 587 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 13: a complex about feeling that he is God like. I 588 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 13: remember one sort of photo shoot where he demanded a 589 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 13: crown be brought out and put on his head so 590 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 13: he could play king for the day. He's been playing 591 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 13: these roles for the last twenty years, and it must 592 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 13: be very difficult for him now. But he's not giving up. 593 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 13: He's still playing Nancy. He's still playing the roles he 594 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 13: knows how to manipulate, and even from that share where 595 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 13: he's in a lot of trouble, he's still playing. 596 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 597 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: We are live at the courthouse in State versus Sean Comes, 598 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 2: a date many people thought would never come straight out 599 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 2: to Sidney Sumner Crime Story's investigative reporter who's been on 600 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 2: the case from the beginning and has been analyzing Cassie 601 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 2: Ventira's testimony throughout the day, Sidney the high points of 602 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 2: Cassie Ventira's testimony, explained. 603 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 6: Nancay, I think the high point of Cassie's testimony thus 604 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 6: far is that Dinny was in control of many aspects 605 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 6: of her life. So she meets comes at just nineteen 606 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 6: years old. Their relationship begins when she's just about twenty one, 607 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 6: and she talks about not even wanting to kiss Sean Combs. 608 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 6: So the first time that they shared a kiss, they 609 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 6: weren't a couple at this point. The first time he 610 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 6: showed romantic interest in her was at her twenty first 611 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 6: birthday party in Last Vegas, and Kathy admits that the 612 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 6: kids left her feeling extremely confused. She ran from her 613 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 6: party in tears, not sure what to do with that 614 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 6: as a new artist in the industry. So their relationship 615 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 6: starting on that point and going from there, cong just 616 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 6: continued to take more and more control of her life, 617 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 6: and he was always there. Like she didn't pick up 618 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 6: the phone, he would call her over and over until 619 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 6: she did, or he would send security guards to come 620 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,919 Speaker 6: find her. So, on top of the freak offs, which 621 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 6: seems to be just a segment of their relationship, e 622 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 6: cou worced her into anything. In everything, she didn't feel 623 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,280 Speaker 6: like she had an ability to say no to Comb's, 624 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 6: especially with the violence. In the threats of releasing these videos, 625 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 6: Ventura talks about keeping broken iPhones and broken laptops and 626 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 6: things of that nature because she was so worried about 627 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 6: what was on them if anyone was to get their 628 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 6: hands on them. 629 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 2: Speaking of a laptop incident earlier on we heard from 630 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 2: witness Philip Listen. 631 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 15: Philip describes one evening where Ventura was at the computer 632 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 15: during a break in sex. Colms yelled for his girlfriend 633 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 15: to come to him, and when she did not, Colmbs 634 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 15: threw a bottle of liquoric Cassie that shattered against the 635 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 15: wall after missing her head by inches, Philip says. Colmbs 636 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 15: then dragged Ventura to another room and he overheard what 637 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 15: sounded like a smack, then Combs saying when I tell 638 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 15: you to come here, you come here now. 639 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: Not later. 640 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 15: Moments later, the couple re emerged and Colmbs demanded they resume. 641 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 2: Joining us is Rob Shooter, publicist for Seawan Combs, Rob 642 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us, also star of Naughty 643 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 2: but Nice podcast and. 644 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: Author of the foreword answer. 645 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 2: You have a particular insight into another relationship, if it 646 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 2: could be called that of Combs, which seated Cassie Venturit 647 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 2: is basically a blueprint second for her, same as the first, 648 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 2: and that would be. 649 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: Kim Porter, the mother of his children. 650 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 2: Now did Rob Shooter describe Comb's His relationship with miss Porter. 651 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 13: Puff's relationship with Kim was very much the same relationship 652 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 13: he had with Cassie. In fact, some people called Cassie 653 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 13: Kim two point over. They had seen this method, they 654 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 13: had seen this relationship, they had seen this grooming, and 655 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 13: so Kim was shy bef what she was told was 656 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 13: very much on his arm. He didn't like her to 657 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 13: talk very much. He picked the clothes that he would wear, 658 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 13: He would decide the events that she would go to. 659 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 13: Cassie seems to be doing that too, or have done 660 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,839 Speaker 13: that too. The difference, though, is that Kim didn't want 661 00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 13: to be a recording artist. Cassie really did to bake 662 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 13: it brig in show business. She wanted to record songs, 663 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 13: and so my heart breaks for her because she was 664 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 13: not only in debt to Diddy in her personal life, 665 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 13: but also her professional life, which must be made impossible, 666 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 13: almost impossible for her to get away from it. 667 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: Special guests joining me. 668 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 2: Brett Brown, executive director, s ASS Surviving Assault, Standing Strong. 669 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,919 Speaker 1: You know, it's the same old thing. 670 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 2: Lawyers coercing women to have sex with them in their 671 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 2: office so the lawyer would work on a domestic abuse 672 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 2: case or finish a divorce case. Bosses forcing coercing their assistant, 673 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 2: their secretary, underlings to engage in sex. We've seen it all, Weinstein, 674 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 2: for Pete's sake, perfect example. 675 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: It's not a new story. 676 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 2: And to try to explain why women stay, I mean, 677 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 2: when a woman's faced with losing her home, losing her career, 678 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 2: maybe losing her children, being blackballed in the industry, what 679 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 2: would you do? 680 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: What would you not do to ensure those things don't happen? 681 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: What about it? Brett? 682 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 9: Well, I think it's everything that you just said. The 683 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 9: part that we're kind of missing is the. 684 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 5: Beginning and the end. 685 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 9: You know, these women they want to be seen and 686 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 9: they want to be respected, and they want to achieve, 687 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 9: and those desires get used against them in this power imbalance. 688 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 9: And so whether we're talking about Harvey Weinstein or we're 689 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 9: talking about Sean Comb's, the recipe is still the same. 690 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 9: And once they're on the hook with these powerful men, 691 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 9: then become you enters. The threats and the violence and 692 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 9: the force and so fear and financial insecurity and so 693 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 9: many other things start to play in. And so it's 694 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 9: not a matter of if I keep going so I 695 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 9: and get something. These women have to stay in this 696 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 9: situation in order to stay alive. And it's interesting to 697 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 9: me because Sean comes, like any abuser, has spent an 698 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 9: enormous amount of time on his reputation and on his 699 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 9: look to make sure that he seems like the fun 700 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 9: guy next door. And here is this predator sitting in 701 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 9: a courtroom with a Bible. And I just wanted to 702 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 9: say that even Satan quoted scripture in the Bible and 703 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,720 Speaker 9: at the end of the day he was still the devil. 704 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,439 Speaker 2: Ooh, I'm totally stealing that. Wow, that was powerful. And 705 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 2: you're right, guys, why would Cassie. 706 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 1: Stay in the relationship. 707 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 2: You're going to hear a lot about that on cross 708 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 2: examination of Cassie Ventura now eight and a half months 709 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 2: pregnant on the stand, what will happen on Cross? At 710 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 2: the end of her cross there will probably be a rebuttal, 711 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 2: a re direct examination. 712 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: But we know this. 713 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,760 Speaker 2: We know State's witness Annuel Philip begged her to leave 714 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 2: Shawn Combs, but she was afraid. It's not just her 715 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 2: saying it him too. 716 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: Listen. 717 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 11: Philip says he didn't call the police after witnessing the 718 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,720 Speaker 11: violence from Combs because he felt Combs had unlimited power 719 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 11: and that his life would be in danger if he 720 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 11: did so. Philip explains that he continued working for the 721 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 11: couple so that he could at least check on Ventura. 722 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,240 Speaker 11: Philip says after witnessing several more violent incidents, he tried 723 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 11: to get Cassie to explain why she was still with 724 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,439 Speaker 11: Combs and convinced her to leave, but Ventura refused to discuss. 725 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: It with him throughout the day. 726 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 2: Cassie Venturro State star witness, has been on the stand 727 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 2: to Rob Cheter, longtime publicists for Shawn Combs. 728 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 1: What's so scary? Rob Sheeter? 729 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 2: Based on everything you've told me, it worked, Shawn Combs mechinations. 730 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:58,280 Speaker 2: His improv puts out a particular image and the public 731 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 2: bought it hook line and sinker, and why shouldn't they 732 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,320 Speaker 2: They didn't know any different. 733 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,439 Speaker 1: Can it work in a court of law? 734 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:12,240 Speaker 13: I am frightened to say, not only can it work, 735 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,280 Speaker 13: but safe to stake. I think it is going to work. 736 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 13: I predict here that Diddy is going to get off 737 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 13: a day that he's going to whip at least one 738 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 13: or two people in that jury into a frenzy believing 739 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 13: that he's a good guy, that he might he might 740 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 13: be into kinky sex, he might be into relationships that 741 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 13: we find perverse. But this was all legal, So I 742 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 13: don't want to say this not but I predicted not 743 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,280 Speaker 13: only could work, I think it's going. 744 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 2: To We remember an American hero Deputy Sheriff Dan Thomas Glaize, 745 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 2: junior russ County Sheriff's Wisconsin, shot and killed in the 746 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 2: line of duty, survived by grieving why and high school 747 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 2: sweetheart Sarah Children Kendall Levi Eleiana, who was just five 748 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 2: months old when she lost her dad. American hero Deputy 749 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 2: Sheriff Dan Thomas Glaze Junior Nancy Gray signing off goodbye 750 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 2: friend