1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to James Drivetime with John Osiers and Bryan sixty sixty. 2 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: James Drivetime starts right now. The vibe I get is that, 3 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, I think we've cracked the code. You know, 4 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: we've got a great head coach, We've got a great 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: channel manager, and we have a great quarterback. And that's 6 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: the trifecta for success in the NFL. Probably the signature 7 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: Lyne from your interview John Osier with shod Con last 8 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: week when you were out in the Valley of the Sun. 9 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back, by the way, and welcome to you to 10 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: Jags Drive Time here from TIAA Bank, Brian and John 11 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: with you. That one got a lot of mileage. And 12 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: I didn't think it was the most significant sought from 13 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: the entire interview, because I mean, I think all of 14 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 1: us knew that that's what they had done last year. 15 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: But I thought that it was interesting that he just 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: kind of off the cuffs says, yeah, it's great to 17 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: have figured it out. Yeah, And you know, I think 18 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 1: he's earned the chance to say that. And I also 19 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: know and he knows he has said similar things in 20 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: the past when they hired or admires that they had 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: figured out and he has said the things that you 22 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: say when you hire a new peature, but in this case, 23 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: there was an overriding feel when I was talking to 24 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: him on the air, and then even before the interview, 25 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: you know, you talk, you kind of go over what 26 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: you might ask and just sort of small talk because 27 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: I've known him, you know, for ten or eleven years 28 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: now and seeing him go through some rough times as 29 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: an owner. And he said on and off the air 30 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: that it's kind of a cool time to be the 31 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: owner now, to go to league events and hear other 32 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: owners reaction to what they did, and you know, I 33 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: think there is a feeling, and I don't know if 34 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: it words in his mouth, but a feeling of you know, 35 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: they're figuring out and they're going to be dangerous because 36 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: of the head coach and the quarterback, and teams are 37 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: congratulating him. Other owners because they run in a circle 38 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: where they see each other and they know what each 39 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: other go through to get there, they're congratulating him. And 40 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if he said this, but I got 41 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: the impression that they're not congratulating him too much because 42 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: there might be more congratulating to do. It's funny, you 43 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: say that because now he's sort of a threat this team. 44 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: So there's a little balance of that and that's all 45 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: in good fun. But that was the vibe I got 46 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: as I watched it. I thought, there's a little sense 47 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: of satisfaction there, because, as you mentioned, he had been 48 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: through some bumpy times and the Urban Meyer cloud that 49 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: had been hanging over this franchise has finally gone right. 50 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: But then I decided it wasn't satisfaction as much as 51 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: it was anticipation. They are anticipating what the beginning of 52 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: this is going to turn into. And we've talked about this. Look, 53 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: if you just look at the coach and the quarterback, 54 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: a pretty good roster with the opportunity to build over 55 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: the next few years, with some salary cap room in 56 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: the future setting out there, but most of all, the 57 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: coach in the quarterback, you can anticipate, you know, the 58 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: golden age of Jaguar's football in front of us. Well, 59 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: it's it's funny. When they drafted Trevor Lawrence, we talked 60 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: about and let's face it, Doug Peters need a great 61 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: job last year, but Trevor Lawrence is the code if 62 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: you follow me or without him, the code doesn't work. 63 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: And I think in a similar extent, if you don't 64 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: have Doug, Trevor doesn't have the success. But you have 65 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: to have that guy behind center, and the fact that 66 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: he's so young and developing, and the point I was 67 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: getting to and I'm when I commented about Doug earlier, 68 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: Doug knowing that Trevor's gut more in him, and where 69 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: Doug is going to be able to take Trevor in 70 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: this offense, they go hand in hand. But the code 71 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: sixteen And for Trent Balky, I think he would tell 72 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: you the same thing, who I think deserved the praise 73 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: that Shod gave him last week. Having Trevor there allows 74 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: them to do the job that they want to do. 75 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: I think they're both capable of people in their jobs. 76 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: Without that piece, then all of a sudden, those things 77 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: they're trying to get so much harder in other coaches, 78 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: other eras. Yeah, not having that quarterback made it such 79 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: a struggle, as you said, to get your foot out 80 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: of that sticky munth that just kind of pulled it 81 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: back in. Trevor gives him the ability because of his talent, yeah, 82 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: to take a young receiver or even a defense because 83 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: he's giving them a lead and help it all get better. 84 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: We don't get much with con so he is all 85 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: of our big things today. So let's get right to it, 86 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: and we'll start with big thing one. And it's over 87 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: and over, and it's the ability of the Jaguars to 88 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: not just have a season like twenty seventeen was, but 89 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: to have a twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, twenty 90 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: twenty five. And the owner commented on it last week again, 91 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: I think what gives me the confidence of sustainable sustainability is, 92 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, head coach, general manager and the quarterback. I 93 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: think you know they're here for the long haul. And 94 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: with them, I think you know, we've lost a couple 95 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: of players this year's salary cap by you know, I 96 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: hated to see him leave, but that's really a measure 97 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: of success that you can't hang on to all your players, 98 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, And so then obviously the skill, the trick 99 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: is to replace them, hopefully, you know, with better players. 100 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: So you know, we've got the draft primarily to develop 101 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: players for the future and a system that is sustainable. 102 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: Big thing too, is the head coach. Shot Khan had 103 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: a front row seat to twenty twenty one and how 104 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: that thing fell apart, and he acted quickly and brought 105 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: in Doug Peterson. It had a front row seat to 106 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: how this thing exploded. Doug is a media darling. Oh so, 107 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: so I think a lot of the stuff that's come out, 108 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, I saw it up close in personal Okay 109 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: that you know, he's a guy, very even keeled. Really 110 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: doesn't get too high, it doesn't get too low. Really, 111 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: the self belief, the belief in the team, belief in 112 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: the process. I think in you know, in results, and 113 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 1: really demanding winning from himself and the players and the team, 114 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: which brings us a big thing. Three and results. Trent 115 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: Bulky obviously delivered results. They've had two pretty good drafts, 116 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: They've had two very strong free agent classes, including last year, 117 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: and when you look at what he's done well, it 118 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: kind of puts all of the criticism and all of 119 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: that other stuff that came along with him through the 120 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: process to the side. I've known Trent now for three years, okay, 121 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: so I mean I believe in him. Okay, whether he 122 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: was popular with the fans or not, I mean that 123 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: was for the Pans to decide. My belief in him 124 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: never wavered. And no matter what the noise was, and 125 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: those are big things, and let's stay right there with 126 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: big thing three for a minute. Everyone knows the criticism 127 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: that Trent endured and it was over the top for 128 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: the results that he has now delivered. And he doesn't 129 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: want to go back and relitigate that either, but it 130 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: really is. We talk about the coach in the quarterback 131 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: a lot because they're the guys we talk about on Sunday. 132 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: But when you look at the job that Trent Bulky 133 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: has with the last two draft classes and the free 134 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: agent class, especially last year, when you get Zay Jones 135 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: and Christian Kirk and they bring these guys in and 136 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: Evan Ingram and you know they're one, two, three, and 137 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: Marvin Jones who was the year before at four as 138 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: receivers producing at a high level. It's not just Doug 139 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: and Trent. Are Doug and Trevor. Trent's got to be 140 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: a part of that as well, right, And I know 141 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: Trent really doesn't necessarily want all that happened in the 142 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: transition urban Doug mentioned over and over yea, so, but 143 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: the reason I asked shot about Trent and sort of 144 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: you know, he had mentioned Trevor, Trent and Doug, and 145 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: so I just asked him about Trent because we hadn't 146 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: really talked a shot since last October. So I wanted 147 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: Shot to talk about, you know, look, the success that 148 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: this team had changed the conversation. And I thought, I 149 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: thought he was great on Trent. He believed in him throughout. 150 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 1: He believed in him at a time where I think 151 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: Shad said, you know what, he deserves a chance to 152 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: do this job during a time when the pieces around 153 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: him are right. And it wasn't the chaos of twenty 154 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: twenty one and the job he did putting pieces around 155 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: the quarterback last year in an unknown time. It's uh, 156 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: it's easy now to look back and say, well, Christian Kirk, 157 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: z Jones, and Haven Ingram good players. Well, Zay Jones 158 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: hadn't had a year like that. No one was overly 159 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: excited about a guy coming in via Buffalo and Las Vegas. Ingram, 160 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: you know, was not necessarily a locked for being a 161 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: quite agent, signs a guy that dropped the ball in 162 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: New York, right, and Christen Kirk all you heard it 163 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: was only paid him too much, pay him to pay 164 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: him too much. Well, they made the necessary moves to 165 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: get out of a talent and deficit and they're back 166 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: to where they can compete now. And it's not just 167 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: those guys and ready to go forward, right. How about 168 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: Rachel Jenkins who delivered two of the biggest plays in 169 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: franchise history, let alone the solid play that you got 170 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: for him and Roy Robertson. Harris was a stalwart late 171 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: in the year. I remember games, especially against the Jets 172 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: on that Thursday night before Christmas and the big game 173 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: that he had against the Chargers when they came in 174 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: here for the playoffs in the fourth quarter when things 175 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: needed to turn. The free agent class has been way 176 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: above average, way above league average for hit rate on 177 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: that and the draft class has as well. So you know, 178 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: we don't again, we don't need to relitigate this, but 179 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: when you talk about why this situation so solid, but 180 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: it's because you've got those three men, quarterback, the head coach, 181 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: and the general manager and they've got something to build from. Yeah, 182 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: and I got his comments on all three. We're very 183 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: interesting with Doug. I was really taken by you could 184 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: tell that shot in his quote said, well, Doug's immedia darling, 185 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: but he saw it all along meaning, you know, once 186 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: they got in, you got the idea that during October 187 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: last year, when they were owing five and it looked 188 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: like the wheels were coming off and there was all 189 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: the criticism. I can only imagine that the conversations that 190 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: Doug had was shot during that time were very similar 191 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: to the conversations that we had with Doug when we 192 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: were talking to him as a media corps. That says 193 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: something that that's that's how he is on all fronts. 194 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: Shod senses the calmness, the confidence, that ability to lead 195 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: through troubled waters, if you will. And I'm not surprised 196 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: he saw it, but I think it's telling that that's 197 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: Doug's approach, not only when the camera's on them, but 198 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: behind closed doors as well. That obviously resonates with the 199 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: players all right. Now that the owners meetings are over, 200 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: the calendar turns squarely to the NFL Draft, which is 201 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: twenty three days away. Are you ready to go there, 202 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: because we're going there whether you're ready or not, I'm 203 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: not going. You're going, well, no, I don't even going 204 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: to Kansas City. Yes, I will go there. Stay right 205 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: here until about August. We're going to the draft. Conversation 206 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: here on Jags Drive Time. Three positions that are most 207 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,599 Speaker 1: closely identified with the Jaguars defensive back, tight end, and 208 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: offensive tackling. Over the next couple of weeks we'll tackle 209 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: them in depth. Today, we'll go to the secondary and 210 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: look at the defensive backs that might be available in 211 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: the first round. Some of them won't be available they're 212 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: that good. But who might be sitting there where the 213 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: Jaguars select when we return. This is Jags Drive Time 214 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: on a Tuesday morning, early in April from TIAA Bank 215 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: Field in Jacksonville. Rolling right along here from tia Bank 216 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: Fild in Jacksonvillage. Promise, we're turning our attention to the draft, 217 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: which most fans have turned their attention to since free 218 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: agency started slowing down. John, you know, I know you 219 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: track some of the mock drafts out there. I'm right 220 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: on target with those three positions, right or is there 221 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: another one? Yeah? That would be what are we going with? 222 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: That's a back, right right? Primarily a corner, an offensive 223 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: lineman or a tight end. Yeah, and I think that's 224 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: where it lies. There might be Yeah, there could be 225 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: a lot of different choice in turns and Russier is 226 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: something that you're hearing people talk about because there's so 227 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: much talk about pass rush. My personal opinion is, I 228 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: think any edge rush pass rush improvement they're gonna get 229 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: is going to come from Trayvon and Josh. I'm not 230 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: a big believer that edge rusher is, especially at twenty 231 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: four twenty five, are gonna come in, are going to 232 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: come in and dramatically impact you right away. A great 233 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: example that, yeah, I mean it's I don't say it 234 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: can't be done. I think it's something that's difficult to 235 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: rely on my senses. These are the three positions, all right. 236 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: So let's start with the Jaguar secondary and give you 237 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: a look here at what's in place already. And you 238 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: see Tyson Campbell and Darius Williams, Trey Herndon resigned in 239 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: free agency ostensibly to be your nickelback, and then at 240 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: safety Andre Cisco and ray Sewn Jenkins, and they feel 241 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: good about what Andrew Wingard brings them. Remember the games 242 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: against the Ravens and the Cowboys last year, in particular, 243 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: where he was making big plays on third and fourth 244 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: down late in the ball game. And obviously Daniel Thomas 245 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: is a really solid special teams guy. But on that 246 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: mont Terra Brown's a young guy. Gregory Junior didn't get 247 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: on the field last year, but he's a guy they drafted, 248 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: remember from Watchita Baptist, and they are hopeful because of 249 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: his athleticism. Chris Claybrooks has been around. Look, you use 250 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: a first round pick on a defensive back, whether that's 251 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: a Ryan Branch who can play safety, slot, or whether 252 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: that's one of these corners, it would appear to be 253 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: a really important move for this franchise because Darius Williams 254 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: is on a one year, eleven year, eleven million dollar contract. Yeah, 255 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a tough spot. And what I mean 256 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: by that is Darius played much better on the outside 257 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: than he did at Nickels, So it it's hard to 258 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: imagine them drafting a player and putting or drafting a 259 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: corner and putting the corner outside, moving Darius back to 260 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: the inside, because that didn't seem to work last year. 261 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: So I think their dilemma maybe nickel an outside in 262 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: this day and age, can be two pretty different positions 263 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: and you're looking for different strengths. Can they draft a 264 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: nickel with the idea that then what do you do 265 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. Are you bringing Darius back? Are 266 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: you committing to him for the long term. I don't 267 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: necessarily think that you can draft the nickel and assume 268 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: that he can go out and play outside the next year. 269 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure there are players who can, but I think 270 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: that may be their dilemma there is, are we drafting 271 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: a guy for the long term to go play opposite Tyson? 272 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: Or do we need a nickel and then fix or 273 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: address the outside later on. I'm not sure where they 274 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: go in that direction, but I think that may be 275 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: that may be their issue long term. All Right, so 276 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: let's take a look at the guys who are thought 277 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: to be first round picks, and there are a couple 278 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: of them that will be nowhere near with the Jaguars pick. 279 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: You look there at Christian Gonzalez, who was a transfer 280 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: from Colorado, freakishly long athlete, a guy with incredible athleticism. 281 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: He's not going to be there. Neither is Devin Witherspoon, 282 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: the kid from Illinois might be the best all around 283 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: sound corner in this year's draft, really physical like most 284 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: of the defensive backs in the Big ten are, but 285 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: also a guy who is credited as being a sensational 286 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: open field tackler. You recognize the name Joey Porter. This 287 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: is Joey Porter Junior. His dad obviously a longtime great 288 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: pass rusher with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Porter has got Jalen 289 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: Ramsey length right. And one of the things that made 290 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey so great was that his arms were so 291 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: long in his hands were so big to go on 292 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: a big body already that it was really difficult to 293 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: place the ball anywhere where a receiver had an advantage. 294 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: And so when you look at a guy like Joey Porter, 295 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: here's what might happen. John. You might see a run 296 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: start on corners because there are these five guys, and 297 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: you talk to people around the league, like we both do, 298 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: and it seems like somewhere eleven or twelve because of 299 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: the offensive tackles, because of the quarterbacks, these guys might 300 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: be there, you know, eleven to twenty. And other guys 301 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: that we're looking at. Deontay Banks, the cornerback from the 302 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: University of Maryland. You know Marvin Harrison Junior, I know 303 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: you know his dad Well had seventy seven catches, nearly 304 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: thirteen hundred yards and fourteen touchdowns. He was the best 305 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: receiver in college football last year, but he only had 306 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: five catches for sixty eight yards against Deontay Banks. Banks 307 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: a sensational workout guy. He was thought to be maybe 308 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: a second round pick, and then he blew everyone's expectations 309 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: away at the combine. And then the last one is 310 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: Brian Branch, and he's interesting because he's a guy who 311 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: primarily played safety, was a linebacker in coverage, I'm sorry, 312 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: a linebacker against the run, was up filling the holes. 313 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: But as a guy who can step out and play 314 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: in the slot, so he could be a long term 315 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: guy for you as a slot guy and a safety. 316 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of options with a guy like 317 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: Brian Branch. Deontay Banks is a guy that'll probably be there. 318 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: The other three unless they make a move up, probably 319 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: gone by the time they select. Yeah. The fascinating thing, 320 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: I don't pretend to have that much to offer in 321 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: terms of how I think these guys are going to 322 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: translate to the NFL, because it's I believe it's it's 323 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: a little bit of a crapshoot, and I don't necessarily 324 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: know that I'm the expert to tell you how Brian 325 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: Branch is gonna fit. I can tell you that the 326 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: dilemma that they're going to face here, Branch I like 327 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: because from what I've seen of him, I do think 328 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: he has adversatility that you're talking about Deante Banks, he 329 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: makes sense if what you're looking forth that spot as 330 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: a corner. I think conceptually with the draft, what they're 331 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: going to run into corners really really deep, and it 332 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: goes deeper than this list, and there's four or five 333 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: that people believe are going to go in the second 334 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: and the top of the third. So it's going to 335 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: be interesting to me is how Trent Balky approaches it. 336 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: I absolutely think that corner will be a position that 337 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: they pick somewhere in the first three rounds. Does Trent 338 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: believe that these corn overall between four and maybe ten 339 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: are so close that it makes more sense to go 340 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: get one and wait in the second round. You know, 341 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: if you don't believe that Deontay Banks is significantly better 342 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: than maybe your ninth corner, you can get that guy 343 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: in the second round and then go offensive line early 344 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: where it's it's historically maybe a little tougher to get 345 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: a guy in the second round late who can come 346 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: in and play. So I think a conceptually, I don't 347 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: know they're going to go corner in the first round 348 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: because it is such a deep class. I think the 349 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: depth of this class may have them taking it in 350 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: the second round. There are going to the offensive lineman 351 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: in all likelihood, who are sitting there now? It's not 352 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: you know, the top guys, the Scronsky right or the 353 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: Paris Johnson, the kids from the Big ten. But there 354 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: will be some guys there. We'll talk about them in 355 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: coming weeks. And obviously tight end is another position that 356 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: kind of falls in that category. Could they go somewhere else, 357 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: of course they could, but this is an area it's need. 358 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: But again, do you take knee overvalue? Right? If there's 359 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: great value there in a pass rusher, If there's great 360 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: value there, what if the running back from Texas falls 361 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: all the way down there? Again you say, well, we 362 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: got the running back and this is not a run 363 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: centered offense. But value at that point is something you 364 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: have to consider. It's gonna be very interesting too conceptually 365 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: with this draft. Tight End and running back are very 366 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: interesting conceptual positions in number twenty four twenty five to me, 367 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: because does a running back such as a kid from Texas, 368 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: Jean Robinson who is special, special time special, or a 369 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: a tight end such as Mayer who can really give 370 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: you a dimension you don't already have. There is a 371 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: school of thought, and I'm not sure it's a bad 372 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: school of thought with this team. Get as dynamic as 373 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: you can offensively. Does that running back what he would bring, 374 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: Does that tight end what he would bring? Take your 375 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: offense from here to hear? If the corner only takes 376 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: your defense from here to here, maybe you're very tempted 377 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: with an offense that you think might be special enough. 378 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: Adding Ridley and adding one more to mention, all of 379 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: a sudden you're up there with the Chiefs. You go, 380 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: you play, and you try to break serve on defense 381 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: a couple of times. I don't know necessarily what they're 382 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: thinking on that, but I think Draft night and the 383 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: first two days of the draft might show us a 384 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: lot at how they're going to approach that season. The 385 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: next couple of weeks to be fun to start to 386 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: see how things fall out. Because of the quarterback, They've 387 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: got a lot of options, and one of them is 388 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: to increase on offense. Even though everyone looks at the 389 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: defense and says, we need this, we need that. I 390 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: think where they're sitting right now, you need the best 391 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: player available. We'll see what they decide to do with it. 392 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: All right, we've got much more ahead. Ozone snapshot is 393 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: next here on Jags Drive Time on a Tuesday morning 394 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. We're back in a moment. Well, whether you 395 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: need air, electric or plumbing service at your home, Donovan 396 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: is always a good call. Been trusted by their customers 397 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: for almost forty years. Trust them to deliver fast, reliable 398 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: service to your hole. That's Donovan heating an air for air, 399 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: electric and plumbing service. This friendly. Oh all right, how 400 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: about a snapshot of what John's getting in the ozone mailbag, 401 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: and will begin with Mike from Omaha, who writes John, 402 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: what is the one absolute most important position we improve 403 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: upon on the draft? Well, it's interesting because, as we 404 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: alluded to in the last segment, I don't necessarily think 405 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 1: that corner is going to be the first pit. But 406 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: I think they have to figure out. I think they 407 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: need a rookie to come in and play a significant 408 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: role there as I knock on Trey Herndon, But I 409 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: think you would like to be better at that Nickel spot, 410 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: I think you'd like to have a young athletic player 411 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: who can really fill that. I don't know how they 412 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: go for it in round one, but I think it's 413 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: it's the most glaring in terms of the starting because 414 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: if if you draft an offensive lineman, I think you're 415 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: drafting it for the long term, maybe to go start 416 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: and I compete with Ben bartchet guard, but I'm not 417 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: sure your need is, oh my goodness, we have to 418 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: get it. Feels like that at corner a little bit, 419 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: so I think cornerback all right. Chris Joys is from 420 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: the UK. He's in London, and he writes, do you 421 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: think drag wars head coach Doug Peterson stating we need 422 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: to improve our pass rush leans towards pass rush kind 423 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: of already answered this one. Yep. Well, A lot of 424 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: people interpreted that. When Doug was talking at his media 425 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: availability at the owner's meetings last week, I asked him 426 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: about the defense head he get better, He said, we 427 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: always have to improve the pass rush, and whole sort 428 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: of jumped on that said they're gonna take edge rusher 429 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: at number twenty four. I think it's more about needing 430 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: the overall pass rush. In key situations to be better. 431 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: I think they got better there late in the season 432 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: as they're making their playoff push in big situations. This 433 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily a big sack team, but they got good pressure. 434 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: I think I think he wants to see more of that, 435 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: and he mentioned specifically they need more. They need Trayvon 436 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: Walker to continue to develop, and they need Josh Allen 437 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: to have a little bit better of a year. In 438 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: terms of numbers, I'm paraphrasing Dug there a little bit, 439 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: but I think it's more improvement from within. So I 440 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: don't necessarily think it means pass rush is an automatic 441 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: lock in the first round. Well, let me throw a 442 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: wrinkle into this, because when we talk about pass rush, 443 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: we talk so much about the edge rushers. That's what 444 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: we've seen here, right, It's been a long time since 445 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: we've had that defensive tackle that's creating the pass rush 446 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: up the middle. So a little bit with Marcel Darius 447 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: in seventeen, but before that it was Big John and Marcus, 448 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: So it's been a while. What about the Clancy kid, 449 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 1: the defensive tackle Elijah Clancy from Pitt who is compared 450 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: favorably not He's not the same as Aaron Donald, but 451 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: an interior pass rusher that might fit at twenty four. Yeah, 452 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: that would be the wild card that I think could happen. 453 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: And defensive tackle is sort of the prime position that 454 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: time forgot, if you will, and for the reasons you 455 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: talk about um every times about edge rusher, receiver, now 456 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: quarterback and left tackle. I think if the Jaguars saw 457 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: a guy at twenty four that they thought was special 458 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: on the interior, to really store that up, I don't 459 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: think you can pass it up. The counter to that 460 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: is usually picking at that point in the in the 461 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: first round. Conventional wisdom is is that you don't find 462 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: special there. Of his draft, I think he was thirteen 463 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: or fourteen, but um usually not that late in the 464 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: first round. Conventional wisdom tells you, all right, let's you 465 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: can go away from that. Grab our final ozone mailback 466 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: snapshot Sandman from west Side. I know very little about anything, 467 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: but if you had a Walker Little in the fold 468 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: the prior year, when I trade Juwan Taylor and then 469 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: get something for him, Yep, I've gotten a few of these. 470 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: I get I get it in theory. Okay, we've got 471 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: Walker Little who could have started last year. You have 472 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: came Robinson, why not trade Joan Taylor. At some point, 473 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: you draft players to play for you and you so 474 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: you know. You don't always want to trade your players 475 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: away before they play for you. Sometimes you're gonna lose 476 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: them to the end of contracts. But at some point 477 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: the season's count. I don't necessarily know that they make 478 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: the postseason last year if they hadn't had three tackles 479 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: available to play. They needed the depth at the end 480 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: of the season it paid off for them. I'm not 481 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: a big believer. I always joke, as some members of 482 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: the media, stop trading good players because fans when they 483 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: look at a depth chart, if they see a player 484 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: who they even recognize after the starting level, oh trade 485 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: him for something else. Yeah, keep guys on your team. 486 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: This is a league of attrition, So don't necessarily be 487 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: in a worried to trade guys for the future. Sometimes 488 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: you had to. Sometimes you have to concentrate on the now. Well, 489 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: let's be honest, there wasn't a lot of It wasn't 490 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: a huge trade market for Juwan Taylor. He didn't play 491 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: all that well his first three years, and he didn't 492 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: really hit his stride until his fourth season, and by 493 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: the time the trade deadline had passed, he had a 494 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: half a season of doing that. We're gonna take the 495 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: fifth round pick. I mean for a guy you convinced 496 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: all along they were gonna lose Skyrocket, So you don't 497 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: always know. I think they would have liked to have 498 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: kept Juan. I think they went into the season thinking 499 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: we'd probably have a chance to keep him because they 500 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: didn't expect him to have this monster year. Uh So 501 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: I don't see that as as a mistake as I 502 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: just kind of see that that's how players developed and 503 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: dollars a year, right, right, somebody else saw how good 504 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: he was, and look, at the time that the trade 505 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: deadline came by, he wasn't as valuable in the trade 506 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: market as he was to having you on your team. 507 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: And you're right about everyone, Donny, was it thirteen pick? 508 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: I was thinking about you were right, thank you, not 509 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: that you needed me to tell you that you were right? 510 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: All right, Will and thing John wins. We'll take a 511 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: break and come back wrap up Jack's drive time here 512 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: on Tuesday right after biss Well, you can move the 513 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: freight with Magellan Transport. Voted in the coolest office space 514 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. You can apply online at Magellan Logistics dot 515 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: com to help them move the freight with Magellan Logistics. 516 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,959 Speaker 1: All right, Brian and John back to wrap things up 517 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: for you. Don't forget. Happy Hour comes your way Thursday 518 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: at four o'clock with JP and Jeff. So more draft 519 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: conversation building as we get towards that UM drafts in 520 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: Kansas City this year be interesting. Vegas was nice last year. 521 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: You know, UM, Chicago did a really good job with 522 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: the draft, and then it went to Philadelphia, who did 523 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: a really good job with the draft. Will you even 524 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: come back? Yeah, I'll come back, and you might just 525 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,719 Speaker 1: get out there and just decide that's where you've been 526 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: here twenty nine years. Florida kind of calls you back. 527 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: I got you. The barbecue is really good. But the 528 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: Dallas did a good job. Nashville had a great job. 529 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: Cleveland forget it. UM Vegas was spectacular last year. I 530 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: can Studio do a good job. Oh yeah, Well, and 531 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: of course you know they've got the Super Bowl champions 532 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: that are there and they will make something big. They're 533 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: expecting this to be the biggest sporting event in Kansas 534 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: City history, right, I mean in terms of the number 535 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: of people, because think about it, the people that fly in, 536 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: you're you're there. I'll get there Tuesday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. 537 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: There's some work and you kind of have a sense 538 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: the draft is in that city. And then Thursday, all 539 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the airport explodes. And by the way, 540 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: they have a new airport in Kansas City, So it's 541 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: going to be packed and there will be people from 542 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: all over because it's right in the heart of the country. 543 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. They needed a new airport and 544 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: can't see that aund it was the worst airport. Yeah, 545 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: it was still to have been to that, it was not. Yeah, 546 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: all right, Joe, draft is coming up in three weeks. 547 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: You're off next week, so we'll see you in two weeks' 548 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: wait John Os here everybody, and that'll do it. Thanks 549 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: to our entire broadcast crew, Joe and Brent and everyone 550 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: who helps put this program on every Tuesday morning, we 551 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:25,959 Speaker 1: certainly appreciate you. Have a great day.