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Speaker 1: where we discuss the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: drop out of the North Carolina governor's race, and every

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Speaker 1: great show for you. Today, Illinois Governor JB. Pritzker stops

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Speaker 1: by to talk to us about his progressive governing despite

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Speaker 1: candidate for Senate, the one the only, Dan Osborne, about

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Speaker 1: his run. But first we have the former senator and

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Speaker 1: a host of the Al Franken podcast, your friend of mine,

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Speaker 1: the one the Only Al Franken. Welcome back, my friend,

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Speaker 1: Al Franken.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend.

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Speaker 1: We're friends. Listen. I cannot believe that House Republicans are

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Speaker 1: eleven days from a government shutdown. I mean we are

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Speaker 1: about like pole are going to be voting, or they

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Speaker 1: But Republicans have betrayed all conventional wisdom and have decided

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't believe the Senate will go along with that,

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Speaker 2: but the House they supposed could do it. Either House

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's so funny because it's like it

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Speaker 1: had in it the Save Act, which prevents non citizens

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Speaker 1: I was listening to one of those inside the podcast

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Speaker 1: So is this a new error of institutionalized in competence?

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Speaker 2: I guess. So this speaks to the importance of electing

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is a really good segue into what's

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Speaker 2: Well, Trump says he wants to pay for everyone's IVF

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Speaker 2: Is this like the cigarette pack because they have a pack.

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Speaker 2: And that was a terrible, terrible speech because there's no doubt.

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Speaker 1: JB. Pritzker is a liberal hero and the governor of Illinois.

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Speaker 1: So welcome to Fast Politics. Governor Pritzker, Molly, great to

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Speaker 1: be with you, very excited to have you. I'm sure

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Speaker 4: Well you say that with some surprise.

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Speaker 1: Well, in my mind as someone who's covered democratic politics,

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Speaker 4: we're going to live by those Parish climate accords. And

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Speaker 4: so we joined the US Climate Alliance, and then I

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Speaker 4: helped to pass the probably the most comprehensive climate action

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Speaker 4: bill in the country. So yeah, I mean I had

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Speaker 4: to prove So that's the long winded answer to your

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Speaker 4: short question. I had to prove who I really am,

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Speaker 4: and I think I've consistently done that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's an underwritten story because nobody writes

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Speaker 1: about policy, because why would they. But we are seeing

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Speaker 1: a number of democratic governor's past policy, you know, like,

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Speaker 1: for example, the case against Governor Walls was that he

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Speaker 1: was too progressive, but he had passed a lot of

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Speaker 1: the same policy that you had, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: the same policy that Josh Shapiro had, Right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: these are these sort of bold democratic policy positions which

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be so bold.

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Speaker 4: I'll be a little braggadocious and say I did it

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Speaker 4: before all of them, and they didn't have to be clear,

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Speaker 4: at least in actually in all three of those states,

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Speaker 4: they didn't have a democratic legislature to work with, so

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Speaker 4: you know, they wanted to get it done. But I

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Speaker 4: have to say I helped all three of those people

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Speaker 4: running for governor when they ran, and also in the

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Speaker 4: case of Whitmer and Walls when they ran for reelection

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Speaker 4: as well as helped to win the legislatures in their

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Speaker 4: states so that they could effectuate these things too. And

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Speaker 4: so we have this great camaraderie and cadre of democratic

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Speaker 4: governors including Andy Basher, who really has it tough in

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Speaker 4: Kentucky and do'f at Tony Evers people leave him out.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, Yeah, so I think we have this great

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Speaker 4: cadre of politicians who have lived up to their word

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Speaker 4: and fought hard to get things done and have made

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Speaker 4: real change here in the center of the country.

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Speaker 1: I think of free breakfasts for school kids read lunches,

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Speaker 1: that kind of you know, feeding hungry children as one

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Speaker 1: of these policies too. Where is that sort of part

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Speaker 1: of the policy portfolio too?

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Speaker 4: Well, of course, I mean, you know, one of the

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Speaker 4: early policies that I've pushed, you know, universal childcare, universal preschool,

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Speaker 4: and of course feeding school breakfast. You know, that is

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Speaker 4: perhaps even more important than school lunch, I might add,

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Speaker 4: just because so many kids come to school hungry and

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Speaker 4: for the first half of the day before they even

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Speaker 4: get to lunch, you know, they're sitting in class, their

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Speaker 4: stomachs are grumbling. You know, the science has proven that

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Speaker 4: it's hard for them to learn. Their brains aren't really

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Speaker 4: active if they're not nourished. And by the way, these

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Speaker 4: are not liberal policy, you know, I really believe these

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Speaker 4: are not liberal. These are just common sense policies, and

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Speaker 4: it's the result of science that we know that. You know,

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Speaker 4: the earlier you can, you know, provide childhood development programs,

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Speaker 4: the better off these kids are. That most of the

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Speaker 4: brain development that occurs for every child starts, you know,

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Speaker 4: the most of it occurs before they reach the age

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Speaker 4: of six. And so if you don't nourish that, if

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Speaker 4: you don't assist in that and help parents, by the way,

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Speaker 4: not just in preschool, but before that, you know, you're

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Speaker 4: going to have kids whose lives, you know, in trauma,

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Speaker 4: are going to lead to underdevelopment of their brains. And

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Speaker 4: of course development occurs of your brain till you're in

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Speaker 4: your early twenties and then you know, now, of course

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Speaker 4: I'm at an age where my brain is deteriorating.

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Speaker 1: Who among us you were sort of in this vetted

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Speaker 1: group for vice president? I have heard smarter podcasters. Then

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Speaker 1: I push the people who were in that group to

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Speaker 1: sort of talk about it. What was your feeling about that,

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Speaker 1: and would you have wanted to do it, and sort

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Speaker 1: of you know, did you want that?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think they asked all of us at the

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Speaker 4: very front end, you know, we'd like to consider you

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Speaker 4: and put you through this process is it's something you'd

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Speaker 4: be willing to do. And so I don't think there

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Speaker 4: was anybody that was being vetted that it hadn't said

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Speaker 4: yes to that first question. But then you know that

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Speaker 4: the process itself is you know, even though in that

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Speaker 4: normal year where we're not switching out nominees, you know,

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Speaker 4: in the middle of the summer. I've talked to Tammy Duckworth,

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Speaker 4: who was considered in twenty twenty for Joe Biden's running mate,

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Speaker 4: and Senator Duckworth here from Illinois. You know, it told me,

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Speaker 4: you know, it was a three four five month process,

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Speaker 4: and she had every question you could imagine, and she said,

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Speaker 4: you got to expect that, well, this was more like

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Speaker 4: a ten day process, and so you know it was

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Speaker 4: some days we're hours and hours of you know, sitting

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Speaker 4: and talking to this committee of folks who were helping

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Speaker 4: the vice president get through the group of us. And

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Speaker 4: I didn't talk to any of the others during the process,

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Speaker 4: but I can say, at least for me, it was

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Speaker 4: you know, the hardest part was it involves your family,

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Speaker 4: and so you know, you're going to your spouse and

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Speaker 4: your children. In my case, they're young adult children in

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Speaker 4: college and saying like, you know, hey, can you hand

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Speaker 4: me the keys to your social media? And you can imagine,

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Speaker 4: you know, the reaction that you get. It's even if

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Speaker 4: you have nothing in there that would be problematic. You

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Speaker 4: can imagine my son and daughter kind of saying like, well,

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Speaker 4: that's a real invasion of my desrocracy. You know, I'm

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Speaker 4: not the one who's being vetted. It's you. So anyway,

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Speaker 4: but they were, you know, they were absolutely cooperative and

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Speaker 4: willing and cheering me on. But yeah, so the process

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Speaker 4: was ruling in it for ten days. I can't imagine

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Speaker 4: what three or four months would be like. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it was flattering, you know, because I kind of figured, well,

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Speaker 4: at some point, you know, in the ten days, they're

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Speaker 4: going to call me and say, listen, you know, thanks

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Speaker 4: but no thanks or or thanks, but we've got our

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Speaker 4: top two and you're not one of them. To be honest,

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Speaker 4: I mean, this thing for me went all the way through,

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Speaker 4: you know, the Sunday before the announcement, which was a

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Speaker 4: day when on television they were saying, you know, well

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Speaker 4: we think it's probably you know, either Tim Walls or

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Speaker 4: Josh Shapiro, and you know, and yet they were still

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Speaker 4: asking me questions and vetting me. So anyway, I was

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Speaker 4: honored to be part of it. And honestly, I you know,

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Speaker 4: it is so important that we win that I wanted to,

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Speaker 4: you know, do anything, and I still believe, you know,

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Speaker 4: I will do anything that it takes to campaign for

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Speaker 4: and to help Vice President Kamla Heris become Madam president.

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Speaker 1: There was something that happened this summer. There was so

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Speaker 1: much anxiety on the part of Democrats and on the

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Speaker 1: part of all people who believe in small d democracy

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Speaker 1: about this ticket changeover. But it really has gone as

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Speaker 1: well as anything could ever go, right.

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Speaker 4: I can't remember. I mean, I of course, you know,

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Speaker 4: when Barack Obama was running, and it was the summer

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Speaker 4: of twenty oh eight, I guess I felt about the

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Speaker 4: same way, which was we can win. And you know,

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Speaker 4: John McCain of course was the opposition at the time.

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Speaker 4: But the polls didn't show that Barack Obama was going

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Speaker 4: to you know, run away with it or or have

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Speaker 4: an easy time. And so I feel very much like

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Speaker 4: this was like that, except for one other thing, which is,

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Speaker 4: you know, Kamala Harris had not gone through the whole

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Speaker 4: process of the primaries, so I think there were people

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Speaker 4: who felt like they didn't know her as well. You know,

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Speaker 4: going through primaries is awful. Having been through a couple,

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Speaker 4: you know, when you're kind of fighting your friends, but

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Speaker 4: you're out there in the public and people are seeing

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Speaker 4: all your warts and all your you know, the things

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Speaker 4: you have to offer. So for Kamala Harris, I think

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Speaker 4: that and for all of us, you know, it was

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Speaker 4: like it was a bit of a surprise to put

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Speaker 4: her forward, not that she wasn't the right person, it

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Speaker 4: was just like, you know, we all thought we were

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Speaker 4: going to fight a battle for Joe Biden, and now

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Speaker 4: we're in a battle for Kamala Harris. But I have

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Speaker 4: to say, the excitement level, oh my goodness, the electricity.

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Speaker 4: And I I hate to put it on my children

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Speaker 4: as the example, but no, but it's good. They're nineteen

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Speaker 4: and twenty one, and you know they're Democrat and they

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Speaker 4: you know, they would say to me, you know, every

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Speaker 4: time we'd have the news on and they'd see Joe Biden,

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Speaker 4: they look at me and say, you know, I know

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Speaker 4: we have to be Donald Trump, but Joe Biden's just

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Speaker 4: too old. And yeah, and I would say, but he

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Speaker 4: stands for all the things you care about, and even

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Speaker 4: if you think he's old, you know, he's got a

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Speaker 4: lot of experience.

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Speaker 2: And so on.

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Speaker 4: And they just keep looking at me and saying, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's hard to get excited about that. And so, you know,

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Speaker 4: and I was all in, you know, for for Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden's So when it became Coambla Harris, I mean like,

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Speaker 4: not twenty four forty eight hours later, you know, my

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Speaker 4: children are like, you know, let's go, you know, you know,

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Speaker 4: they're ready to knock on doors. No.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have a twenty year old who's in college,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, you have to get everybody to

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Speaker 1: vote and make sure that people vote. And he goes

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Speaker 1: to a very small kind of niche place. I don't

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Speaker 1: even want to say where because I'm so paranoid, but

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Speaker 1: he was like, I'm having real trouble getting people at

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Speaker 1: all interested in this candidate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Both my kids are in swing states in college. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and you know, Illinois. They're they were registered in Illinois

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Speaker 4: because you know, because you know, that's where they turned eighteen,

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Speaker 4: but they have both said they're reregistering because now they

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Speaker 4: live in those states most of the year in college.

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Speaker 4: So I didn't. They've you know, joined the local canvassing effort.

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Speaker 4: But both of them are on campus, you know, talking

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Speaker 4: to their friends about voting for Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I also think Tim Walls has been really good

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Speaker 1: at speaking to younger people too. Okay, so here's my question.

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Speaker 1: You have this family of service too, because your sister

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Speaker 1: served in the Obama administration. We are right now in

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Speaker 1: a news cycle filled with a lot of very wealthy

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Speaker 1: people who have decided that the capital gains tax is

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Speaker 1: the most important issue. You that keeping these tax cuts.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know a lot of the reason why

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Speaker 1: people are voting for Trump is because these Trump tax

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Speaker 1: cuts expire in twenty twenty five. So can you speak

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Speaker 1: to sort of why it's just absolutely ethically, you know,

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Speaker 1: morally appalling to just vote for a tax cut, and

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Speaker 1: sort of more generally, why Democrats are actually good for

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Speaker 1: the economy.

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Speaker 4: More broadly, it's morally appalling in my view that they're

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Speaker 4: good people, good people that are leaning towards or have

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Speaker 4: decided to vote for Donald Trump. Yes, there are moments

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Speaker 4: when I feel like, how on earth can you possibly

638
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Speaker 4: but you know, they have justified it in their own

639
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Speaker 4: minds that you know he's a terrible person, but the policies.

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Speaker 4: And let me also add that you you thank you

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Speaker 4: for mentioning that I have a family of service. My

642
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Speaker 4: father was a cryptoanalyst in the Navy in Tokyo or

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Speaker 4: actually in Yakoska, Japan, listening to Soviet submarine transmiss My

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Speaker 4: mother was an activist in the sixties and seventies for

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Speaker 4: reproductive rights at LGBTQ.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, we were a family that you know, believes

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Speaker 4: in public service. So I think the reason it is

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Speaker 4: morally repugnant to me the idea of Donald Trump becoming

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Speaker 4: president again, and as a governor who had to serve

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Speaker 4: at the time when Donald Trump was president, and especially

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Speaker 4: when we needed the federal government to step up and

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Speaker 4: protect the people of our state. I mean, he acted

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Speaker 4: in exactly the opposite ways you would hope and expect

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Speaker 4: the federal government to. And when I think about it,

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Speaker 4: in my entire life, you know, I now have greater

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Speaker 4: appreciation for people like Bob Dole and Jackie and you know,

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Speaker 4: and the many p Howard Baker and and you know,

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Speaker 4: even George H. W. Bush, because I now, you know,

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Speaker 4: have a greater appreciation for their dedication to just some

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Speaker 4: basic principles of you know, patriotic ideas about what it

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Speaker 4: is to stand up for, you know, the integrity the

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Speaker 4: future of our nation and its institutions. I never in

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Speaker 4: my life imagined that we would have somebody at the

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Speaker 4: top of the Republican ticket who I would oppose on

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Speaker 4: anything other than policy ground. To me, this is about

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Speaker 4: care and you know their moral compass. That's who Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump and JD.

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Speaker 2: Vance.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it's so befitting that.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump picked JD.

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Speaker 4: Vance, who is just like a mini and and who

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Speaker 4: just like Donald Trump in his life. In Jade Vance's life,

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Speaker 4: he has simply blown with the wind where whatever got

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Speaker 4: him ahead. That's where it was. Remember, Donald Trump at

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Speaker 4: one point in his life was a Democrat. At at

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Speaker 4: one point in his life, he was pro choice. That's

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Speaker 4: not a forgiving statement. That's the point out. You never

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Speaker 4: know from one day to the next, when he tells

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Speaker 4: you where he stands on something, where he actually stands,

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Speaker 4: and that I think is again evidence of a lack

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Speaker 4: of a moral compass. So I'm appalled by it all.

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Speaker 4: And that's one of the reasons that I fought so

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Speaker 4: hard against him in twenty sixteen. You know, I was

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Speaker 4: there on election night in twenty sixteen, and I remember

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Speaker 4: my wife and I, you know, after seeing all these

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Speaker 4: people leave, you know, the Javit Center, saying out loud,

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Speaker 4: you know, well, I don't want anything to do with

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Speaker 4: politics anymore if Donald Trump can become the president. And

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Speaker 4: my wife and I had exactly the opposite thought, which is,

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Speaker 4: now we need to do twice as much because it's

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Speaker 4: even more dangerous than ever. So, you know, in sixteen

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Speaker 4: and twenty and now here at twenty four, I mean

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Speaker 4: it's you know, I'm on the road doing everything I

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Speaker 4: can to make sure that Donald Trump loses and more

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Speaker 4: importantly that this terrific ticket of you know, Kamala Harris

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Speaker 4: and Tim Walls. I'm gonna say one more thing about

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Speaker 4: Tim Walls. I've gotten to know him as a governor,

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Speaker 4: as a fellow Midwestern governor, and you know, of course

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Speaker 4: he's the head of the DGA, but he is a

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Speaker 4: guy with a big heart, just a genuinely good person.

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Speaker 4: And when you contrast that with the other ticket, you know,

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Speaker 4: Kambala Harris, Tim Wallas just represents so much of what

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Speaker 4: I think we should look for in public service.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So true, you don't have a term limit, so

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Speaker 1: you could just be governor of Illinois forever and ever.

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Speaker 4: Do you want me to make news here? Is that

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Speaker 4: what you're yes? Yes, yeah, thank you for pointing that out.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've never thought of that.

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Speaker 2: I have joked.

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Speaker 4: That that my wife is my term limits, but not

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Speaker 4: to put all that on her. She's been such a

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Speaker 4: great partner. Yeah. I mean, I love the job I have,

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Speaker 4: and I've said that so many times when people have

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Speaker 4: asked me, you know what, you are you going to

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Speaker 4: run for president someday or planning to you know, do

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Speaker 4: you want to be in somebody's cabinet? You know, I

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Speaker 4: really do love the job in the and the big

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Speaker 4: improvements we've made here in Illinois, and and the job

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Speaker 4: ahead because you know, there's so much more to do.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know whether I'll run for re election,

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Speaker 4: but I have pointed out to people the fact that

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Speaker 4: Illinois is a blue state in everybody's minds. You ought

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Speaker 4: to step back and remember that democratic governor has served

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Speaker 4: eight years. If I simply finished the term i'm in,

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Speaker 4: I will be the longest serving Democratic governor at the

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Speaker 4: history of Illinois. So you know, that's for a variety

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Speaker 4: of reasons. Sometimes it's you know, illness and death. Sometimes

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Speaker 4: you know when they've gone to prison. I hope neither

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Speaker 4: one of those happens to me, but you know, it

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Speaker 4: still would be an accomplishment simply to finish two terms

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Speaker 4: and have I think a solid record of accomplishment here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Governor Pritzgar, Thank you, Molly. Are you concerned

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Speaker 1: about Project twenty twenty five and how awful Trump's second

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Speaker 1: term could be? Well, so are we, which is why

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Speaker 1: we teamed up with iHeart to make a limited series

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Speaker 1: with the experts on what a disaster Project twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five would be for America's future. Right now, we have

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Speaker 1: just released the final episode of this five episode series.

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Speaker 1: They're all available by looking up Molly Jong Fast Project

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five on YouTube, and if you are more

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Speaker 1: All five episodes are online now. We need to educate

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Speaker 1: Americans on what Trump's second term would or could do

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Speaker 1: to this country, so please watch it and spread the word.

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Speaker 1: Dan Osborne is an independent candidate for Senate in Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, Dan.

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Speaker 2: Osborne, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you. So this is like

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Speaker 1: a super interesting Senate race, and it came to my

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Speaker 1: notice like about a month ago. And then there was

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Speaker 1: this incredible pull you guys just had which showed you

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Speaker 1: at a dead heat with the pretty unpopular woman you're

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Speaker 1: running against. Talk to me about why you decided to

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Speaker 1: run for Senate in the state of Nebraska.

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Speaker 5: Well, I haven't always been a political person. It really

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Speaker 5: wasn't until corporate greed came knocking on my door a

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Speaker 5: few years ago. I was a present cident BCTGM Local

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Speaker 5: fifty G the spell out that's Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco and

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Speaker 5: Grain Millers Union. I was in what we land under

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Speaker 5: the grain miller category. But during COVID, as essential workers,

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Speaker 5: we were all working seven days a week, twelve hours

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Speaker 5: a day. There's four manufacturing plants under the umbrella of

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Speaker 5: our master contract, but as essential workers, we were working

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Speaker 5: those hours. At one point in time, fifty percent of

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Speaker 5: our workforce was forced quarantine and or sick. But we

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Speaker 5: made them record profits. You know, we still kept the

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Speaker 5: plants running. At one hundred percent capacity. They went from

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Speaker 5: nineteen billion dollars to twenty one billion dollars. The CEO

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Speaker 5: gave himself a two million dollar raise, the board enriched themselves,

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Speaker 5: the stockholders enriched themselves, and our contract expired that year.

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Speaker 5: We figured, you know, it's going to be a no brainer,

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Speaker 5: would get a little sliver of the pipe. But instead,

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Speaker 5: the first day negotiations, Kellogg set across the table from

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Speaker 5: us and they said, we're going to go after your

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Speaker 5: health insurance. We're going to go after your cost of

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Speaker 5: living wage adjustment, which was our own only form a

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Speaker 5: wage increases designed to keep us even with inflation, and

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Speaker 5: we know how that's gone. And then they're going to

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Speaker 5: implement a permanent two tier wage system with no path

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Speaker 5: for a lower tier employee to make it to the

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Speaker 5: upper tier. So effectively, eventually everybody's going to be on

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Speaker 5: the lower tier. So for me as president, that was

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Speaker 5: mycrap moment. There hadn't been a strike in Nebraska since

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Speaker 5: nineteen seventy two, so I had to learn what that meant.

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Speaker 5: So I did my due diligence leading up to October fifth, midnight,

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Speaker 5: you know, setting up picketing schedules and every drumming up

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Speaker 5: early support, so we could not come to an agreement.

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Speaker 5: It's still my belief today that Kellogg's had no intention

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Speaker 5: of coming to an agreement. So we shut down four

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Speaker 5: North American plants and we walked off the job to

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Speaker 5: reserve our wages and benefits. Certainly one of the hardest

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Speaker 5: things I've had to do, take five hundred of my

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Speaker 5: friends and their families out into the great unknown, not

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Speaker 5: knowing if we're going to have a job at the

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Speaker 5: end of it. But we all felt we were on

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Speaker 5: the right side of history. So, you know, I was

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Speaker 5: able to get Republican congressmans out to the picket line,

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Speaker 5: Republican mayor and was able to get him to draft

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Speaker 5: a letter or excuse me, Governor, to this CEO, Steve Khlane,

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Speaker 5: imploring him to get our people back to work. So

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Speaker 5: just a few of the things I did during that

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Speaker 5: time to put pressure on Calloggs, you know, and we're

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Speaker 5: on strike for seventy seven days, and I remember walking

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Speaker 5: back into my manufacturing plan just feeling an enormous sense

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Speaker 5: of pride what we were able to accomplish five hundred

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Speaker 5: jobs in Nebraska and fifteen hundred around the country, and

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Speaker 5: that's why I'm doing this today. I want to continue

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Speaker 5: to be a voice for working people because what it

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Speaker 5: taught me is if we band together around common causes

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Speaker 5: and issues, we can make a change, a real good change,

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Speaker 5: positive change in everyday people's lives.

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Speaker 1: You're not a Democrat, You're running as an independent. Explain

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Speaker 1: to us that decision.

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Speaker 5: Well, I've always been a registered independent since the beginning

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Speaker 5: when I when I registered to vote. I just have

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Speaker 5: an independent spirit. And I know it's handicapped me voting

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Speaker 5: in primaries and things like that, but you know, George

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Speaker 5: Washington and the framers of the Constitution warned us of

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Speaker 5: the two factions, which is the two parties, and what

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Speaker 5: it could lead to. And I think we're finding ourselves

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Speaker 5: there today in the form of also, well, corporations to me,

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Speaker 5: are you know, in geting the money out of influencing elections,

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Speaker 5: corporate money ending citizens united? So those things are extremely

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Speaker 5: important to me because until well, I'll preface that with

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Speaker 5: we're being different. We're not taking any corporate money. I

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Speaker 5: don't want to be beholden to a corporation. I want

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Speaker 5: to be beholden to the people in Nebraska again, like

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Speaker 5: the founding fathers intended it to be a government buying

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Speaker 5: for the people, not a government for corporations.

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Speaker 1: In one percent, explain to us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: what your state looks like. It's a red state, but

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Speaker 1: explain to us sort of what the path is.

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Speaker 5: It is a red state. But you know, there is

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Speaker 5: no Democrat in my race, so it's making it very interesting.

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Speaker 5: But most people I go out to, my broad stroke

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Speaker 5: message is, you know, getting the corporations out of our politics.

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Speaker 5: I tell everybody. Robin Williams, a comedian, said it best

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Speaker 5: when he said, our politicians should be wearing Nascar jackets

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Speaker 5: with patches of their sponsors so we know how they're

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Speaker 5: going to vote. And Senator Fisher, we actually made up

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Speaker 5: a Nascar jacket for her with all patches that I

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Speaker 5: take with me to the debates because she refuses to debate,

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Speaker 5: so we hold them anyway when we just have her

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Speaker 5: jacket there. But it's resonating with everybody. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 5: whether you're a Republican or Democrat. I think Nebraska's got

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Speaker 5: a pretty big independent spirit. You know, we boast having

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Speaker 5: a nonpartisan unicameral for our state legislature so people are

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Speaker 5: used to independence. There's over three hundred thousand registered independence

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Speaker 5: in Nebraska. It's the fastest growing demographic of young people

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Speaker 5: registering to vote. So where we're at, people are just

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Speaker 5: you know, they're becoming fed up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, explain to us what your opponent. She said she

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Speaker 1: was only going to run two terms. This is her

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Speaker 1: third term. She used to had a lot of promises

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Speaker 1: that she hasn't been able to fulfill or chosen not

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Speaker 1: to write.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Correct, Yeah, she signed a pledge to run for twos.

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Speaker 5: You know, she's bad on rail Nebraska is a huge

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Speaker 5: railroad state. We have the biggest rail yard in the

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Speaker 5: world in North Platte, Nebraska. We just had another derailment,

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Speaker 5: our fifth the railment in just over two months. She

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Speaker 5: consistently votes against the Rail Safety Act, and she actually

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Speaker 5: headed the Transportation committee that allowed railroads to police their

868
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Speaker 5: own safety right.

869
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Speaker 1: Never a good sign.

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00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they actually have a certain level of death

871
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 5: as acceptable in their safety programs. So it's four of

872
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 5: her top eleven donors are Class one railroads. So you

873
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 5: know she takes their money and consistently votes against the workers.

874
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: She also said she wasn't going to run for reelection,

875
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: but has changed her mind, right right, Explain that to us.

876
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I would put it to again, going

877
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 5: back to the founding fathers, the framers of the Constitution.

878
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 5: It was this government was meant to come from your

879
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 5: farms and your factories. Do a term or two and

880
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 5: go back. These days, you know, we have people going

881
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 5: into their nineties, they've done their whole career. Dev Fisher's

882
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 5: been in politics longer than my campaign manager has been alive.

883
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 5: People are seeing that. People are frustrated with it, especially

884
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 5: the fact that you know, her whole is based off

885
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 5: of a lie. That's certainly something that gets brought up

886
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 5: a lot when I'm doing town halls. I've done over

887
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 5: one hundred and thirty publicly advertised town halls since twenty seventeen.

888
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 5: She hasn't done one since twenty seventeen. People are seeing

889
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 5: that as well. I think she feels like she doesn't

890
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 5: have to.

891
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: Are you connecting with people? And how is it going

892
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: through this state? I mean, I feel like the city

893
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: is different than the rest of the state, right, I

894
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: mean what does the state look like?

895
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, Omaha and Lincoln make up about half the

896
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 5: population and the other half spread Oh, Wow spread out

897
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 5: through the rest of the state, so I was concerned

898
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 5: how people were going to receive me as I traveled

899
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 5: to the Panhandle and the western part of the state.

900
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 5: But I'm pleasantly surprised because I relate to them on

901
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 5: a level that you know, I've worked in a factory

902
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 5: for twenty years. I know what it's like to put

903
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 5: in eight, twelve, sixteen hour days and come home and

904
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 5: your feet hurt, your hands hurt, your back hurts, everything hurts.

905
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: And a lot of these.

906
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 5: People in Nebraska are just just like me. They're just

907
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 5: hard work people that don't want to get taxed to

908
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 5: death and want some affordable groceries, maybe put some money

909
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 5: aside for their kids's college things like that. So it's

910
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 5: been nice. And you know, and again, I've always worked

911
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 5: sixty seventy hours a week, so I've never got out

912
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 5: to see my state in the capacity that I'm doing.

913
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 5: So now I've never got to go to the state

914
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 5: Fair or this thing called Wayne Chicken Days and all

915
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 5: the things throughout throughout the state. I've really fell in

916
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 5: love with it and the people in it. It's been great.

917
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me, Like one of the things Democrats

918
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: have had a really hard time with is connecting with

919
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: voters who you know, work in factories or work with

920
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: their hands. The AD has been a group that used

921
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: to reliably vote Democratic, and Trump has made real inroads

922
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: with that group of white voters. And it seems counterintuitive

923
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: because a lot of it is, you know, Trump wants

924
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: to take away your healthcare, wants to lower taxes for billionaires,

925
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: and somehow people are voting for that. What do you

926
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: think the secret is to like explaining to people just

927
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: what Democrats have to offer to them.

928
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 5: I don't get into much about Republican democrat when I'm

929
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 5: out at my events. We just focus on issues and policies.

930
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: But a lot of the Republican policies aren't so good

931
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: for working people.

932
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 5: My public town hall events, we talk about policies, and

933
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 5: what I'm finding is we agree as a people on

934
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 5: ninety percent if not more, on issues and policies. Sometimes

935
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 5: we don't always agree on necessarily how to get there,

936
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 5: but it's definitely been given me out for the future.

937
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 5: We are not as divide as media would lead us

938
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 5: to believe, at least That's what I'm seeing on the ground.

939
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, definitely true. Talk to me about when you

940
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: talk to people on the ground there, what are they

941
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: most concerned with?

942
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 5: I'd say top three in the economy slash inflation. Second

943
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 5: would be border border security as well as you know,

944
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 5: having some meaning immigration reform. And the third and that's interesting,

945
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 5: you know, you think why Nebraska would care about that.

946
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 5: It's a huge meat packing state, so we have to

947
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 5: have a lot of immigrants working in those meat packing facilities.

948
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 5: And then the third, you know, the thirds probably I

949
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 5: suppose a toss up individual liberties. Protecting individual liberties is

950
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 5: important to people. Real people certainly don't like government mandates.

951
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 5: And then anywhere else, depending on the room, you know, education, healthcare,

952
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 5: things like that fall in line.

953
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: On the ground. Do you hear people remembering what Trump

954
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: was like or do you think they still feel like

955
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: he's an outsider? Yeah?

956
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 5: I think I think people remember for the most part,

957
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 5: and there's people whose main concern for whatever that reason,

958
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 5: on the border, they tend to lean towards Trump or

959
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 5: his outward stance. I suppose on securing the border. There's

960
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 5: plenty of farmers who especially Soy being farmers who are

961
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 5: still hurting from the Trump tariffs, right, you know, they

962
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 5: see the danger in tariffs. I tend not to dive

963
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 5: too much into the top of the ticket. I'm certainly

964
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 5: focused on my race. You know, I'm going to have

965
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 5: to work with whoever gets elected as president. So you know,

966
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 5: Nebraska's probably going to come in sixty to fifty eight percent,

967
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 5: sixty percent for Trump again, I would assume like they

968
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Speaker 5: did last time, and everybody has their own reasons.

969
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Though, that's a really good point about the tariffs

970
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: and the soybean farmers, because what percentage of your state

971
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: is so you have me packing, I mean, the big

972
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: businesses in the state are wide.

973
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's mostly agriculture related. And then if you get

974
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 5: into Omaha and Lincoln, you have a lot of manufacturing

975
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 5: there as well. So yeah, i'd say agriculture manufacturing.

976
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and soybing. A lot of these farmers were affected

977
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Speaker 1: by tariffs, and then they were given financial help from

978
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Speaker 1: the government, but a lot of farmers don't like that, right.

979
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 5: Farmers do not like that because it's you know, it

980
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 5: cuts into their bottom line and going out. And that's

981
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 5: what I talk to farmers every day, and we talk

982
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 5: about how both parties seemingly are kicking the can down

983
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 5: the road on court shoes and the farm bill. The

984
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 5: farm bell is going to expire again on September thirtieth,

985
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 5: and if we can't come to an agreement on the

986
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 5: farm bill, the farmers are going to continue to suffer.

987
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 5: You know, bushel prices are going to remain stagnant. And

988
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 5: you know, we have to keep our farmers profitable. That

989
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 5: goes with teachers and nursing too. If we can't keep

990
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 5: these people profitable, they're not going to do it anymore,

991
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 5: plain and simple, and probably around two or less than

992
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 5: two percent of our population in this country feeds the

993
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 5: rest of us. So we got to make it profitable.

994
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 5: We have to keep it sustainable with the environment. We

995
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 5: have to keep it sustainable with the crops and the

996
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 5: meats as far as being safe to eat, and they're

997
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 5: the third thing about being sustainable is they have to

998
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 5: be profitable. And so we have to update our crop insurance.

999
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 5: And I think we need update our crop insurance to

1000
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 5: help benefit smaller family farms because that's starting to go

1001
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 5: away too. It's favoring the corporate farmer. We've got a

1002
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 5: lot of work to do and we can't keep playing

1003
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 5: politics with things like this is dangerous.

1004
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I also think that the fact that the farm

1005
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: bell is really bad, that that has not been addressed,

1006
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: that they've been waiting around on that. Do people make

1007
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: the connection when you're out there talking to farmers between

1008
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: climate change and farming.

1009
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 5: You know, we sit on the Oglalla Aquifer here in

1010
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 5: this state, a huge aquifer of fresh water, and studies

1011
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 5: are indicating that it's lowering the amount of water. So

1012
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 5: that's alarming to say the least. I think at the

1013
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 5: end of the day, whether you know a farmer wants

1014
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 5: to put solar or wind on his farm or not,

1015
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 5: they all agree we need to be we need to

1016
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 5: be pursuing everything to eventually get off of fossil fuels.

1017
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 5: And obviously it can't happen immediately, but the end result

1018
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 5: of climate change is going to be droughts. And if

1019
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 5: you're having drought and you can't can wattery, then you

1020
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 5: can't grow stuff, you can't feed livestock, and that's starvation.

1021
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 5: So it's it's pretty important. I think most everybody you know,

1022
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 5: unless they don't believe in it, sees the value of

1023
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 5: trying to do anything we can to get ahead of it.

1024
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: If you're a farmer, you must believe in it right

1025
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: because it's happening or not necessarily.

1026
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 5: Not necessarily, it depends, it goes. I try to talk

1027
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 5: to everybody as consumers of media. It's difficult. It's difficult

1028
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 5: to be a consumer of media. For example, I was

1029
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 5: in North Platte, Nebraska when President Trump got convicted of

1030
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 5: thirty nine counts. I actually crossed a time zone that

1031
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 5: morning or that day before, so I actually had an

1032
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 5: extra hour before i'd get to an event. So I

1033
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 5: watched thirty minutes of Fox News on it and then

1034
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 5: I watched thirty minutes of either MSNBC or CNN, can't

1035
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 5: remember which. But the thirty minutes I was watching a

1036
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 5: Fox News, I was like, man, this guy's getting a

1037
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 5: raw deal. They're after him. I switched to the next

1038
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 5: news channel and I was like, man, this guy's guilty,

1039
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 5: you know, But where's the truth?

1040
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: Lie?

1041
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 5: Is he getting headhunted or or is he guilty?

1042
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 4: You know?

1043
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 5: And so you have to find news sources and you know,

1044
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 5: podcasts like this where people are speaking freely and not

1045
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,479
Speaker 5: paid for by Murdoch or somebody else, and find the truth.

1046
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 5: But it's difficult. And then you throw in, you know,

1047
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 5: you throw in social media people are irresponsible. They'll see

1048
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 5: something they don't even click open it, and they won't

1049
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 5: even read it or fact check it, and they'll just

1050
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 5: repost it.

1051
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: It's kind of scary, yeah, I mean, I also think

1052
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: that the more people can just see stuff that is

1053
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: real people talking, like c Span, where they can just

1054
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 1: listen to the actual people talking, the better off they

1055
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 1: are at making decisions. You were also in the army

1056
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: and the navy.

1057
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 5: YEP Nebraska Army National Guard than.

1058
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: The Navy arm services are having trouble recruiting thoughts.

1059
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 5: That's twofold. Seventy two percent of our military age males

1060
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 5: are unfit to serve. And that goes back to what

1061
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 5: we feed ourselves. My wife and I did this food

1062
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 5: trading deal, you know where you trade food with other countries,

1063
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 5: and we traded food. I remember with Australia one time,

1064
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 5: and we got the packaging from Australia and there.

1065
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 4: Is no there.

1066
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 5: Mac and cheese was like macaroni and cheese, nothing fake

1067
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 5: or you know, colored. And so what we're feeding our

1068
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 5: population is certainly partly to blame. And secondly, you know,

1069
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 5: ultimately it's a business. You have to pay people, and

1070
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 5: you have to pay them a fair wage, otherwise they're

1071
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 5: not going to want.

1072
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Speaker 2: To do it.

1073
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 5: Same with you have one soldier on food stamps, you're

1074
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 5: doing it wrong. We have to figure out how to

1075
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 5: better pay our airmen and sailors and soldiers.

1076
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, agreed, agreed, Thank you so much, thank you,

1077
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Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah, thank you.

1078
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Speaker 6: No moment, Jesse Canon, you know by you mentioned at

1079
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Speaker 6: the top of the show, this guy bark rothtson. I

1080
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 6: like to think of Mark Robinson as the greatest gift

1081
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Speaker 6: to Democrats aside from Trump's setup picks. But the second

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Speaker 6: greatest gift to Democrats is JD Vance.

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Speaker 2: JD.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if they're here legally or not. Vance

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Speaker 1: just wants you to know that even if you have

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Speaker 1: a greeden card, he and Donald Trump may decide to

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Speaker 1: deport you. Look, man, there are a couple of really

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Speaker 1: bad Donald Trump picks. Bernie Marino in the great state

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Speaker 1: of Ohio. We got in Pennsylvania McCormick running again and

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Speaker 1: losing or at least polling like he's losing. We just

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Speaker 1: have a lot. And then Mark Robinson in North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: who has an OPO file. The size of the iliad

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Speaker 1: was more to come and so these incredible candidates showing

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Speaker 1: us that trump Ism doesn't scale. That is our moment

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Speaker 1: of fuck Ray. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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