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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind listener mail.

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Speaker 2: My name is Robert Lamb.

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Speaker 3: And my name is Joe McCormick. And it's Monday, the

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Speaker 3: it was Saturday, It's not. Today is a listener mail.

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Speaker 3: Whatever you want to send is fine. We always appreciate

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Speaker 3: feedback to recent episodes or series on the show, especially

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Speaker 3: if you have something interesting you would like to add

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Speaker 3: to a topic we've talked about, and we have some

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Speaker 3: messages of exactly that sort today. Let's see, Rob, Do

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Speaker 3: you mind if I kick things off with this message

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Speaker 3: from a meal?

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Speaker 2: Oh? By all means that is a good one.

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Speaker 3: So this is in response to our series on diamond

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Speaker 3: specifically the episode about whether diamonds or diamond powder are

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Speaker 3: poisonous if ingested. Emial says, Hi, greetings from Emial from

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Speaker 3: in Norway, former victim of beaver Shout Now, Rob, does

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Speaker 3: this mean that this same listener got in touch before

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Speaker 3: to tell us about drinking a beaver based liquor.

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Speaker 2: I believe that might be the case. I can do

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Speaker 2: a quick search and see, Yes, I can confirm we

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Speaker 2: have a We've We've heard from a few different meals

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Speaker 2: over the over the the years. Here, I'm sure, but yes,

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Speaker 2: this would be the same individual who wrote in about

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Speaker 2: beaver shout.

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Speaker 3: This is a liquor infused I believe with glands from

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Speaker 3: a beaver. Yes, okay, Emil says, regarding your episodes on diamonds,

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Speaker 3: I would like to add a thought on the subject

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Speaker 3: of their purported dangers to the human intestines. In my

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Speaker 3: work as a dentist, I use diamond coated burrs and

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Speaker 3: drills for most routine procedures. It's well known that these

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Speaker 3: instruments will dull greatly over time due to the abrasive

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Speaker 3: diamonds dislodging from the instrument's surface. Of course, we try

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Speaker 3: to minimize any swallowing of the contaminated to coolant water spray,

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Speaker 3: but it is inevitable that a few of these diamonds

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Speaker 3: are inadvertently ingested by the patient. Also worth mentioning is

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Speaker 3: that these micro diamonds are specifically designed with sharpness in mind.

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Speaker 3: This is probably of no consequence due to the minuscule amounts,

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Speaker 3: but I think that this is something that was probably

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Speaker 3: instruments go through some of the most rigorous safety trials

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Speaker 3: before entering the market. Fingers crossed, I have not caused

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Speaker 3: too many gastrointestinally derived deaths in my career. As always,

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Speaker 3: thank you for your fantastic work. Best regards a meal. Well,

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Speaker 3: thanks Emil for the message. This is a great point

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Speaker 3: about diamond powder and diamond coatings being used in dental equipment.

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Speaker 3: In fact, this is something I had read mentioned in

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Speaker 3: it does seem diamonds are used for coating on drill

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Speaker 3: that diamond powders are considered an abrasive, that they may

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Speaker 3: But unfortunately, after reading a bunch of these, like industrial

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Speaker 2: I guess the future proof things in case some sort

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Speaker 2: Exactly all right. We also heard from Steve on this subject.

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Speaker 2: Steve writes in and says, Hello, Robert and Joe. In

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Speaker 2: your recent series about diamonds, you examined a very old question,

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Speaker 2: is diamond poisonous? Though there is no evidence the material

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Speaker 2: it is quite sharp and unlikely to disintegrate if one

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Speaker 2: but he continues. The mechanical damage it would reap upon

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Speaker 2: basically diamond silicosis. There is no cure for silicosis, only

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Speaker 2: dust in one's lungs by itself that said no one

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Speaker 2: of diamond lung No buyo. Thank you for your commitment

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Speaker 2: to placing contemporary science in a variety of historic, esoteric

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Speaker 2: macob context The podcast is wonderful, Steve.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Steve. Yeah, I'd say the same thing. Even

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Speaker 3: if diamond powder is not known to be toxic in

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Speaker 3: rat kings, Chris got in touch to say good day.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to add one more rat king to the collection.

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Speaker 3: The Incredible D and D show Dimension twenty has a

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Speaker 3: so it comes up. Search results also produced other strange

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Speaker 2: Hmm, okay, well, I'm not going to search for that

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Speaker 2: from Megan. This is a response to one of our

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Speaker 2: your Where the Shadows Lie episodes. I wanted to drop

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Speaker 2: Tower by Garth Nix that prominently features some magical shadows.

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Speaker 2: The premise is that the only known population of humanity

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Speaker 2: The story reminds me of your discussion of mythical wizards

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Speaker 3: Li says, Hello, Rob, Joe, and JJ, just listen to

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Speaker 3: to know your thoughts regarding the BIM acronym.

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Speaker 3: We talked about this a lot in the episode. How

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this one was. This was hard for me

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Speaker 2: don't remember how my what kind of confusion I had initially,

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Speaker 3: Another thing that happens in The Apple is that later

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Speaker 3: Sorry, okay, anyway, with this in mind, Lee's message goes

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Speaker 3: on also throwing back many episodes. Would Joss Ackland be

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Speaker 2: Absolutely he would have. He would have made a good

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Speaker 4: Mention it, a wonderful suggestion. Yeah, great singing voice, so yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I can just hear it in his voice now Hey,

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Speaker 4: don't Mary doll. Let's see you know he's blue as

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Speaker 4: a merry fellow, some kind of verse about Fatty Lumpkin

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Speaker 4: the pony. Yeah, this is a great suggestion. Lee Lee says,

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Speaker 4: Ackland was cast as perone in a vita, So he's

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Speaker 3: Just a thought. Love the podcast in the weekly Weird

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Speaker 3: House dos sincerely, Lee, Thank you Lee, excellent piece of

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Speaker 2: All right, This next one comes to us from another Rob.

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Speaker 2: Rob says, Hi, Robert and Joe. While listening to this

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Speaker 2: Weird House Cinema episode, I could not stop thinking about

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Speaker 2: Devo and the energy dome. Hats is bim a stand

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Speaker 2: in for whip it? Perhaps the apple is a cautionary

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Speaker 2: tale to Mark Mothersbaugh and the rest of Devo about

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Speaker 2: the risk of making a deal with Satan. For me,

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Speaker 2: this added another layer of craziness to what was already

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Speaker 2: a pretty wild movie. Have a great day, guys, Rob.

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Speaker 3: Now, I like the frequency Rob is on here, but

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Speaker 3: I'm not quite quite sure. I understand you know more

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Speaker 2: Well? I mean I'm not a you know, a super

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Speaker 2: Devo fan. I appreciate Devo. I did own an Energy

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Speaker 2: Don't hat for a spell, but an official one, mind you.

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Speaker 2: You know, those energy don't hats would have fit well

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Speaker 3: I agree. You can just imagine people in mister Bougalow's apartment,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I will say real quick, I don't think we've

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Speaker 2: I admire in more recent contemporary films because he works

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Speaker 3: I'm just looking at his filmography on his wiki apparently

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean they're not all winners in this filmography.

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Speaker 2: I was watching thora Ragnall Rock, which I greatly enjoyed

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Speaker 2: All Right, I had kind of forgotten that this existed.

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Speaker 2: I might have dismissed it as a dream, But now I.

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Speaker 3: Know Ebert gave it three out of four stars.

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