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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club morning.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee. Charlomagne the guy. We

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Speaker 1: are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in

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Speaker 1: the building, Charlomagne's Mental Wealth expot in today's Mental Health Day.

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Speaker 1: World Mental Health Day is today ten ten. That's right.

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Speaker 1: We have doctor Alphie Welcome, Hi, thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: the real brains and leader behind the mental health expot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: doctor Alphie bruland Noble, Good morning. How are you this morning?

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Speaker 1: I am We just say blessed the highly favorite blessed

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Speaker 1: black and highly faith black and highly favorite. So for

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Speaker 1: people that don't know what is World Mental Health Day? So,

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Speaker 1: World Mental Health Day was something founded many years ago

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Speaker 1: to give us an opportunity to recognize the importance obviously

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Speaker 1: of mental health. Right. So the issue is, you know,

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Speaker 1: with so much stigma around mental health, particularly in our communities,

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Speaker 1: were gonna keep it real? Um. I think that there

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Speaker 1: was a real push and a desire to make sure

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Speaker 1: that we acknowledge an uplift mental health and have it

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Speaker 1: on the same pedal stone as we do goal health.

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Speaker 1: So every year on October tenth, we recognize and celebrate

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Speaker 1: an uplift and try to have a dedicated day just

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Speaker 1: to focus on mental health conversations to what should we

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Speaker 1: be doing today, Like what's what's the significance of the

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Speaker 1: day outside of like what should we be doing? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think exactly what we're doing right now. It is

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Speaker 1: like allowing space for the conversation, you know. And I

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Speaker 1: think we have to start in our homes. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: for us as black people people of color, you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't these are not things that we talk about

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Speaker 1: good job of making sure that we uplift these conversations.

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Speaker 1: But I think one thing we can do is just

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Speaker 1: then just kind of make a plan, like one little

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Speaker 1: thing you can do every day to uplift and center

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Speaker 1: your own mental health and mental health of the people

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Speaker 1: that you care about. That's what we can do. I

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Speaker 1: was going to ask, you know, with everything going on

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Speaker 1: better way of doing that, because sometimes, you know, people

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Speaker 1: So when we see these things happening in the public eye,

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Speaker 1: doctor Alphie's here. This is World Mental Health Day ten

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Speaker 1: Everybody is DJ Envy and Louis Charlomagne the guy. We

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Speaker 1: all the Breakfast Club. We're joined by doctor Alphie. Today

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Speaker 1: is World Mental Health Day and we recognize everything mental

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Speaker 1: just had a question, right, I was asking how you

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Speaker 1: a relationship and you need to go to help together

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Speaker 1: Or We appreciate you joining us today on Mental Health

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Speaker 1: Dayreciate doctor alph so much because you know you can

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Speaker 1: You can have the vision like I can have division

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Speaker 1: to help you execute it. That's doctor Alphie. Know well,

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Speaker 1: you can have division for the mental wealth expot but

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Speaker 1: That's doctor Alphie. So I thank you so much. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, thank thank you so much. Thinking you know,

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Speaker 1: Some of Kanye West friends are saying they feel he's

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Speaker 1: Kanye says these things that are so outlandish When I

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying is so I don't want

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Speaker 1: clearly there is something going on. So when I see

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Speaker 1: Matters T shirts and all that, I think to myself,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if that's necessarily him just

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Speaker 1: that at the expo. Being in the public eye, it's

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Speaker 1: will make those mistakes, right, somebody else will bipolar disorder,

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Speaker 1: hide it. You know what I'm saying it's all out there.

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Speaker 1: So what my wish for him is that somebody would

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Speaker 1: let's get this stuff under control first and then you

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Speaker 1: can go out there and be a genius. But until

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Speaker 1: see what we've been saying. So in my opinion, as

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Speaker 1: a lot more support. Okay, well, doctor ALPHI, we appreciate

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Speaker 1: you for joining us this morning. Thank you. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: being here. We shout all of you, and we got

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Speaker 1: rumors on the way it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning,