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Speaker 1: House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryan over there,

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Speaker 1: and we've got guest producer Noel in the house. Uh

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Speaker 1: throwing a sound effect? Noel, wait to go? Yeah? Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming he'll do that in post right, Uh yeah?

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Speaker 1: Or maybe the sound effect is silence. Okay, that's a

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Speaker 1: lack of sound effect. We'll find Know. It's like when

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Speaker 1: you're a little kid and you'd have just a blank canvas.

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Speaker 1: You'd be like, look, I did a picture of a

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Speaker 1: snowman in a snowstorm. I never did that. Smarty smart,

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Speaker 1: a little smart alec kid gets what's coming to him,

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Speaker 1: you know, So, Chuck, do you remember we did a

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Speaker 1: trivia night like years ago on the roof of Five

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Speaker 1: Seasons Brewery in Atlanta. Yeah, I remember. Hodgman was there,

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Speaker 1: Buddy Joe Randazzo, Dave Willis was on our All Star team.

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Speaker 1: David just looking around like, what's going on? Who are

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Speaker 1: you guys? Why do they care about you? My publicist

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Speaker 1: said I should come to this. Um that was fun night.

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Speaker 1: It was. There's a dude there and he had cerebral palsy.

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Speaker 1: His name was Kyle pas I remember him. You remember

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Speaker 1: Kyle kps is what he goes by. And and again

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Speaker 1: this is what maybe like five years ago, four years ago,

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Speaker 1: maybe six six, Okay, it was a while ago. Um. Well,

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Speaker 1: Kyle was like, you guys should totally do one on

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Speaker 1: cerebral policy. We're like, we totally he should, and we didn't. Well,

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Speaker 1: I ran into Kyle again when you, me and I

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Speaker 1: I was like, you look really familiar and he's like,

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Speaker 1: on cerebral palsy. Even though we totally said we would.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, he was like, yeah, he didn't

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Speaker 1: even say anything. He just looked at me his head. Um. No,

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Speaker 1: he was super cool about it. He's a cool cat.

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Speaker 1: Actually he's he's he's a cool guy. Kyle Um actually

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Speaker 1: been like, why am I running with anything? Anyway, I'll

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Speaker 1: just be a good guy. Uh. That is amazing. And

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Speaker 1: So anyway, Kyle Peas, it's got his own foundation. I

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Speaker 1: into his foundation more. Yeah. So we're talking cerebral paul

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Speaker 1: actually premature birth is a risk factor for developing cerebral policy. Yes, exactly. Uh,

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Speaker 1: in fact, with Dr John Little Ums it's hard at work. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Cerebral Palsy Association in ninety and they are a really

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Speaker 1: of Medicine in two thousand and eight, they did UM.

424
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: They published an article about a study about if you

425
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: have a high risk of preterm delivery and you know

426
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: this and you're given magnesium sulfate, the mother is UH.

427
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: It cut the rate of CP and half UM and

428
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: I looked up in studies. Basically what I came down

429
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: to is this is and this was from that same

430
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: Canadian website. It said that if you do know, there

431
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: are two things to treatments to minimize it in newborns

432
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: UM and one is magnesium sulfate if you know ahead

433
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: of time that you're at risk and you like, get

434
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: on it, it's amazing. And then therapeutic hypothermia, which we've

435
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: thought about before. Yeah, that's stuffs magic minimize the damage

436
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: due to lack of oxygen or blood supply, which well

437
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: that one makes sense, Yeah, because it's it's UM like

438
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: they they will freeze you or bring you pretty close

439
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: to freezing to keep you from going from suffering brain

440
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: damage because it lowers your metabolism, so you need less oxygen.

441
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 1: And if your oxygen deprived and they lower or your

442
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: metabolism it's interesting. Yeah, that is that was a great episode.

443
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: Two that was therapeutic hypothermia. So the magnesium sulfate does

444
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: check out. That's really astounding. But again it has to

445
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: be given with the you know, well in advance. So

446
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: is it like a course of treatments or is it like, here,

447
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: take the shot of magnesium sulfate and you'll be fine

448
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: for the rest of the pregnancy. You know, I'm not sure.

449
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: My inclination from reading it was that it was a

450
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: course of treatments, like you're on it during the pregnancy.

451
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: But I might be wrong, but I think that's I

452
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: think that's a deal. You want to take a break, Yeah,

453
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: and then we'll talk a little bit about what's going

454
00:27:38,040 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: on with the muscles, all right, Chuck, So we talk muscles.

455
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: Let's talk muscles. So we talked about all the ways

456
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: you can get cerebral palsy acquired or develop it. I

457
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: guess get works right, sure, um. But the actual way

458
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: that cerebral palsy is categorized is by the types of

459
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: symptoms you have, and they're generally um carved into three

460
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: types of cerebral palsy. They're spastic, there is um a

461
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: taxic right, Yeah, and then um, the third type is

462
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: ethnoid dyskinetic and spastic is by far the largest group

463
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: of cerebral palsy. Should we talk about SPECIs space spasticity? Nice?

464
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: The tooth is coming? Are you psyched? I am psyched?

465
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: Ready for my s is to be a little more contained,

466
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Uh, Spasticity is the word. Uh,

467
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: And you send off that you sent over this little addendum.

468
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: I think it really kind of helps understand how it

469
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: all works. Uh. Spasticity is basically the the tension in

470
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: your muscle, and you always have this going on. Otherwise

471
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: we would just be laying down the floor at all times.

472
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: Like you might not feel like your muscles are tens

473
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: or doing anything, but your muscles are tensed if you're

474
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: sitting upright and you're or you're walking around or you're

475
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: doing anything. Yeah, there's there's like a real um conversation

476
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: going on between your spinal cord and the muscles themselves,

477
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: the nerve fibers and the muscles themselves saying, hey, we're

478
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: getting a little too contracted here. Why don't you send

479
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: us a little hit of relaxation. And so your muscles

480
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: are just constantly alternating to keep you sitting upright, to

481
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: let you talk, to do anything you use your muscles for.

482
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: There's this interplay between tension and relaxation of the muscles

483
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: and all that's called tone. Yeah. And the really interesting

484
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: thing is that when you're the actual message for increasing

485
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: that tone comes from the muscle. Yeah. I was fascinated

486
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: by that. To the message to decrease, it comes from

487
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: the brain, which is weird. Yeah, because the muscles saying, hey,

488
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: tell me to to to tighten. Yeah. Well it's like

489
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: just do yourself. Pal Is there no brain involved there

490
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: at all? I'm always having to hold your hand. Here

491
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: is said, it goes directly from the muscle to the

492
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: spinal cord. Yeah, it's crazy. I would think the brain

493
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: would be involved. I think the brain gives the spinal

494
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: cord a lot of leeway and stuff like that, like

495
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: you take you got this right, you got you got this,

496
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: you know what you're doing. But like, uh, like I

497
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: said that, the brain is what tells the muscle to relax.

498
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 1: And when you have the damaged in cerebral palicy, when

499
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: you have the damage to the brain, it's not sitting

500
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: the right message. Then you have an overworked uh not overworked,

501
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: but the muscle is is doing the message sending only

502
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: because the muscles um, neurons or sensory fibers are fine.

503
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: So they're getting their message across loud and clear. But

504
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: the other message that's part of that interplay, that conversation

505
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: to relax, is not coming through. So in um, in

506
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: spastic cerebral palsy, you have muscles that are basically constantly rigid,

507
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: and it may or may not be accompanied with by

508
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: tremors right um, and the the outcome, the result of

509
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: a constantly tensed to muscle um is is ultimately a deformity,

510
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: like the the limb might shrink, UM, the bone itself

511
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: can become twisted. Uh, there's a lot of things that

512
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: can happen from just I mean just flex your forearm

513
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: for for thirty seconds, like imagine that all the time,

514
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: like un relenting lee. That's what spastic cerebral palsy is.

515
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: So it's it's not like a child who was born

516
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: with spastic cerebral palsy comes out with limbs that are

517
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: um that are malformed or deformed. Um. The that that

518
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: actually is the result of years, even just a few

519
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: years of that constantly contracted muscle. Well, yeah, but we

520
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: should point out though it's not a degenerative disease, it

521
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: doesn't get worse over time, No, it doesn't. But the

522
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: these because it happens as your body is developing. If

523
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: your muscles developed like that, um like the the that

524
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: will that will get worse until it develops into I

525
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: think a certain equilibrium about of people get the spastic kind.

526
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: And there are three uh sub groups within that. One

527
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: is quadra uh sorry, quadra plegia. And that's when all

528
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: four limbs or effect did. You might have seizures and tremors. Uh,

529
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: you might not be able to talk, You might not

530
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: be able to walk right, might be wheelchair bound. And

531
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: that's the most severe. Uh yeah, because again like I'm

532
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: using a bunch of different muscles right now to talk

533
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: and uh swallow, eat, bring food to my mouth, Uh,

534
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: do anything anything you need to use your your muscles

535
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: for if you are a quadriplegic cerebral palsy, So for

536
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: you are you it's all up for grabs. Yeah you

537
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: you there there. You might not you might be able

538
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: to do very little, that's true. Uh. Himoplegia, which is

539
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: one side of the body, and as we've talked about

540
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: the brain, it's usually affects the opposite side from where

541
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: the injury is. You might have to have braces on

542
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: your legs. Um, your limbs might grow at different rates,

543
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: but you probably can walk. Um. And then the final

544
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: subgroup of the spastic kind of uh daplegia, and that's

545
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: the lower part of the body only. Um, you might

546
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: be a toe walker if you've ever heard of that.

547
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: That doesn't necessarily mean if you're a tell walker that

548
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: U f c P because there are other causes of

549
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: toe walking. Oh really, yeah, that's unusual. Yeah. I had

550
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: a friend actually whose daughter was a toe walker, and um,

551
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've ever seen that. Like, in

552
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: researching this, I was trying to bring it to mine.

553
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen anybody to walking. Yeah,

554
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: she's exactly what it sounds like. Yeah, walking on your

555
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: tippy toes. But it's it's no good for balance, Like, um,

556
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: it's not just like oh that's a that's charming. Yeah,

557
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean it actually affects their their balance like big time.

558
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: Because I can imagine um and and like there you know,

559
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: she's constantly moot in motion basically like she could never

560
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: just stand still because you know, get on your tippy toes.

561
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: That's what it would be like. And um, she eventually

562
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: had a surgery. Um, hers wasn't CP and she had

563
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: I guess something elongated to allow her attendant or something.

564
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly her, but then you know, it fixed

565
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: it and she could like stand still for the first

566
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: time in her life. So like her ten was too short,

567
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: which made which brought her up on her tips. So

568
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly, but I think that's the way

569
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: he described it. But um, scissoring too is another thing.

570
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: If your your legs cross. Um, Yeah, like when you

571
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: when you pick a baby up and they cross their

572
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: legs immediately, that could be an early sign number two

573
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: DISCONNECTICU at thetoid and those aren't. You can call it

574
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: either one. I think right, this is a banner moment.

575
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: We just agreed on pronunciation. Pronunciation. Everybody do a shot. Uh.

576
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: This can result in involuntary movements that are usually slower,

577
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: usually in the arms, and they're repetitive, so it looks

578
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: like a tick almost but the right let me suck

579
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: your blood. Um. The big difference with this one, though,

580
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: is that your tone is usually um, decreased, You're you're

581
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: not contract well, it can be either they can be

582
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: rigid or or they describe it and here is loosen floppy. Okay,

583
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: so let me ask you this then, chuck, is that

584
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: loosen floppy and then rigid in the same patient Like

585
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: it's going from alternating from one to the other or

586
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: to somebody could have loosen floppy tone or rigid tone

587
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: and they could both still have athtoid dyskinetic. Uh, this

588
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: is a good question. I don't know. I mean, if

589
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: you read the literal sentence, sometimes are muscles are STIFFI rigid,

590
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: other times they're loosen floppy. Makes it sound like one

591
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: person can have these. It can come and go. Maybe, Uh,

592
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: who knows. Yeah, I guess we'll never know. Someone let

593
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: us know. You'd think we would know. Uh, you may

594
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: actually have difficulty walking, talking, eating, basic motor skills might

595
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: be affected if you have this kind And then finally,

596
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: a taxi a taxic CP. It's the least common five um.

597
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: And this is like when you have trouble with your

598
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: fine motor skills, like you might not be able to

599
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: write well or you know, you might have trouble walking. Uh,

600
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: you can walk, but you might have trouble with your balance.

601
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: M hm. And uh. This one has another interesting side

602
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: effect called an intention tremor. And that's when it's it's

603
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: very specific to like you have an intention like I

604
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: want to go pick up that cup of coffee, Like

605
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: your hand might be fine and not have a tremor,

606
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: but when you go to do something with it specifically,

607
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 1: it will start a tremor, right, which has to be

608
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: really frustrated. Oh yeah, I can't imagine, but it makes

609
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: sense if if if a taxi um affects the fine

610
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: motor skill, I mean it takes increasingly more UM fast

611
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: twitch muscles too. When you finally do go to grasp

612
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: and pick something up, then it does just move your

613
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: arm toward it, you know. And you can have a

614
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: mix of these as well. And these are not this

615
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: isn't like you as spastic as the worst, and atotoid

616
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: is the second worst, and then a taxic is the lightest.

617
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: You can have UM, mild or severe versions in each

618
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: of these. It just describes what what the symptoms are,

619
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: what areas are affected, and how they're affected. Yeah, and

620
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: I get the feeling. It all comes down to the

621
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: severity of that initial brain injury. It does. I read

622
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: somewhere that cerebral palsy. There's no two cerebral palsy cases alike,

623
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: because the region of the brain that's affected is a

624
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: factor when it's affected in the development of the brain.

625
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: And then how how how the whether it was safe

626
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: from a disease that the mother had or an injury

627
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: that occurred a couple of years after birth. Um, So

628
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: every person with cerebral palsy is a special little snowflake.

629
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: That's true. Um. In terms of diagnosis, when you're a baby,

630
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: doctors will look at things like weak muscles or very

631
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: tight muscles. When your baby crawls, if one leg kind

632
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: of drags behind, that could be an early sign. Talked

633
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: about the scissoring already in the in the toe walking,

634
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: or any kind of really bad posture, difficulty balancing, um,

635
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: which is can be tricky because you know, babies don't

636
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: have great balance to begin with, so you know, diagnosing

637
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: it is uh. Eventually they're gonna get you in a

638
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: in a brain scan if they really think that, you know,

639
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: your symptoms might be leading down that road, right, and

640
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: there's like a there's a fine line to walk as

641
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: a parent between freaking out over nothing or unnecessarily and

642
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: getting it early because basically every course of treatment for

643
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: dealing with cerebral palsy and managing it because again it's

644
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: it's incurable that literally the damage is done, but you

645
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: can treat and manage the symptoms. The earlier you catch

646
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: it that the better the outcome you can possibly have

647
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: from that treatment. Things like UM, working on muscle muscle

648
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: muscle development, UM massages are really big. Yeah, teaching a

649
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: little kid yoga and even like if you can, if

650
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: you can um uh diagnose cerebral palsy as an infant,

651
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: you'll want to start like working out, pumping those legs.

652
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: Just UM, we're just really working on the muscle development

653
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: has a big impact on the child's life later on. Uh.

654
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: Some of the things UM with the other kinds of

655
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: the uh attoid diskinetic CP, which like I said, could

656
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: result in trouble breathing and speaking and eating, they're gonna

657
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: be doing a lot of therapy with a speech language

658
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: pathologists UM, different modes of communication, occupational therapy. UH, so

659
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: they can learn how to feed themselves. UM. And again

660
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: the two are alike. So it's really going to depend

661
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: on the severity. That's what kind of therapies are gonna need. Right.

662
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: And one other thing too about catching this early chuck

663
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: is that the brain again is still developing, which means

664
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: it's highly plastic, so you can actually find novel ways

665
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: to do stuff without using say your arm for your leg.

666
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: Like there was a very famous guy named Christy Brown.

667
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: Oh is that my left foot? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. He

668
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: had severe cerebral palsy and his left foot would follow

669
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: the commands from his brain, so he didn't he created

670
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: art with his left foot. Man, what a movie that was.

671
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: I never saw it. It's pretty good. Yeah, he's an

672
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: Irish poet and artists, I believe. I think it just

673
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: any Daniel day Lewis movie, it's just a must. He's

674
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: one of those. He's like the brando like you, you

675
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: just have to see it. Sure, you know, what are

676
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: you about to say? What do you think of my

677
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: left fock? Dentil They Louise as Lincoln. He's so good though,

678
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: it's just ridiculous. That was That was the line that

679
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: clinched the oscar that year. What do you think of

680
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: my left foot? You know, he's the one that goes

681
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: so far and deep into the method that like, you know,

682
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: I think when he was on what movie was it

683
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: where he basically worked as a like a nineteen century carpenter.

684
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: Don't know he like jumped Was he in the Crucible? No?

685
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: I think it has Gary Oldman, Well, they might have

686
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: both been in there. No, he's in the Scarlet Letter

687
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: one of the know it sounds like Dan day Lewis.

688
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: He basically jumped in with the set carpenters, and I

689
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna help build these sets with my

690
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: old school Like great, Yeah, that's great, Mr day Lewis,

691
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: we'd love to have you. Yeah, now bring in the

692
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: real one. Right after builds it, he just falls over

693
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: as he's walking away. Job well done. What accent would

694
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: you like me to try? Now? Uh? Drugs, Yes, they

695
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: use drugs sometimes. Muscle relaxers can help with the spasticity.

696
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: Benzo diazepines like valium. Yeah, I thinks annex is one

697
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: of those. The problem is is you're giving those two

698
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: two or three year old Yeah, and they're on like

699
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: volume all the time. There's there's undesirable side effects of it,

700
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 1: but they do work. Apparently. Botox is like killing it. Yeah,

701
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: and it's a it's FDA approved now is an off

702
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: label use. So um botox is it's the botulin toxin, right,

703
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: but it paralyzes muscles. So if you and if you

704
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: inject botox into a spastic muscle, UM, it relaxes it

705
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: and it lasts apparently for months UM for treatments, and

706
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: it might not just be like okay, everything's all all good,

707
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: but it's gonna definitely reduce the effects of the spasticity

708
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: UM enough that it's a it's a pretty good treatment UM.

709
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: And they apparently are not finding many harmful side effects

710
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: at all with it. That's great. Yeah, we should do

711
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: one on botox, Okay, I know with it. We had

712
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: a listener right in and say, I started keeping count

713
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: how many times you said that? And I'm up to

714
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: like seventy or eighty and if we could remember him?

715
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, what's the list? He said, Oh,

716
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm not writing them down. I've just been making notches

717
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: on my cave wall. And I was like, well, what

718
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: good are you? We need a list we can't keep.

719
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: He might start writing, well, I keep the list of

720
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: my own blood. I can't write the titles some children

721
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: you might have a pump permanently, well maybe not permanently,

722
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: but a pump implanted in your abdomen permanently once you

723
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: get old enough to deliver a constant stream of a

724
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: drug called backloaf in. It's an anti spasmodic. Apparently it

725
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: works really well, really, but you can overdose from it,

726
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: which is not good. So what does that mean, Like

727
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: the pump better work? Right? Yeah, it's automatic. Wow, that's scary.

728
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: Probably shouldn't connected. Let it be connectible the Bluetooth or

729
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: anything hackable too, I would agree with that. And then

730
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: surgeries you talked earlier about your bones becoming twisted. They

731
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: can untwist them surgically. Yeah, they will, um, I guess,

732
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: probably cut them in two and then just twist them

733
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: around so that they're aligned in a in a straight line. Again. Yeah,

734
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: if you think about it, like the fact that that

735
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: works is astounding. Yeah, that's a pretty primitive operation if

736
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: you think about it, like, can you really think about

737
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts of it. It's, well, the bone

738
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: twisted this way, so we're gonna cut it in two

739
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: and then reset it so that it's back to the

740
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: way it's supposed to be. It sounds like something of

741
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: Barber would have thought exactly, That's exactly what I was

742
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: thinking of Barber. Surgeon. Have you heard about the head

743
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: transplant that's happening. Oh no, yeah, dude. Is it Rosie Greer? No,

744
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure what that means. Uh, the thing

745
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: with two heads? It was Ray Milan and Rosie Greer.

746
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: I think the Man with Two Heads, the Steve Martin

747
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: movie Man with Two Brains. This is this is the

748
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: thing with two heads Ray Milan, and I think it's

749
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: and it might not be Rosy Grey, could be Jim Brown.

750
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: Is it a movie, Oh dude, Yeah, it's like a

751
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 1: Saturday shocker. No, this is a but real surgery. I need.

752
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's happening very soon if it hasn't already.

753
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: And I read about it on one of our UK flights.

754
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: There's a surgeon that is I think he's Italian. That is,

755
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: he's found a body donor, which is a body on

756
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: life support with no chance of coming off life support,

757
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: and he is taking the head off of the man

758
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: who needs help putting it on this body. Supposedly there

759
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: are he is roundly being called a quack and a

760
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: lot of circles. But the doctor said, yeah, those same

761
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: people are calling me quack, are also calling me up

762
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: and saying like, how are you doing this? Like tell me, like,

763
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: is it possible? They'll I'll be licking my boots when

764
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: this is over. Maybe. I mean it's I couldn't believe

765
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 1: what I was reading. When I was reading this, Um,

766
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: they freeze, I think, the body and the head, and

767
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: there's like an hour that they have to get this

768
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: thing reattached and the blood flowing and the nerves connected.

769
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: And to make it worse, they play the Jeopardy theme

770
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: exactly that. Uh So this guy, I can't remember what

771
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: affliction he has, but it's um, it's well, no, it's

772
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: something sort of like this in it he has no

773
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: uh but I think it's degenerative where he has no

774
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: control over his own body. Oh is it a l S.

775
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: Leuke Garrick's disease. Don't think it's a l S. I wonder.

776
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: And the guy was volunteering, saying, you know, I might

777
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: very well die, but he's like, somebody's got to go first. Man,

778
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: I'm willing to. Yeah. The number of like nerves and

779
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: blood vessels and everything that you would have to connect

780
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: the spinal column to the brain, Like, how would you

781
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: even do that? I don't know, man, I mean it does.

782
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: It seemed like botox crazy science when I was reading it,

783
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 1: and while means it might be. I gotta check that out. Yeah,

784
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: that's amazing. I mean we're gonna do it sooner or later. Yeah,

785
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: it's just insane that it's happening now. Well, I thought

786
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: for sure in the twenties at the earliest. Yeah, he

787
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: called it head transplant, but once I read it, it's

788
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: feels more like a body transplant. I guess. Yeah, tomato

789
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: tomato head transplant sounds awesomer. That's probably why I picked it. Um,

790
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: where were we? Oh, surgeries, they're also surge reas if

791
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: you have severe spasticity. UM where they actually identify nerve

792
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: fibers and cut those is called selective dorsal uh rise

793
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: rise toemy. Yeah, and um that's a last resort surgery though. Yeah,

794
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: it's not like that's something that would go to right away. Yeah,

795
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: because I would imagine once you cut a nerve to

796
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: your muscle, like you can't use that muscle anymore. But

797
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: if it's been spastic your whole life, you're probably like, fine, fine,

798
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: just cut it. I'm sick of it. And then the

799
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: cord blood therapy, which we talked about earlier. What I

800
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: found was this, currently there are no approves them self

801
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: therapies for treating scruble palsy, so I think they're all

802
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: in clinical trials. Um. And it's interesting this Canadian website

803
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: said if you research this uh across the website, you

804
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: will come across companies that say otherwise and offer fee

805
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: based treatment, which is what I found, which is super

806
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: sad and the worst thing to prey on people that

807
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: are willing to pay whatever on something that may or

808
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: may not work. So these aren't approved. They are in

809
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: trials though, and they're seeing uh if either your own

810
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: cord blood. And one of the problems is people are

811
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: starting to bank their cord blood more now, but it

812
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: wasn't a very common thing, so people like, oh, I

813
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: don't have any chord blood, so they think that sibling

814
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: cord blood could um or sibling stem cells. What do

815
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: they call those, like savior babies or something like that. Yeah,

816
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: something like that, but um, it's not quite there, but

817
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 1: it could be at some point. It's fascinating. Yeah, although

818
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: it's a tough act to follow. The head transplant well, sure,

819
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: you know, I have a feeling that this guy won't

820
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: ever you know, he probably won't do a lot of

821
00:50:53,719 --> 00:51:00,479
Speaker 1: medicinal practicing if if it doesn't go well, No, who knows,

822
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: he'll go back to like merging pigs and orange and tanks.

823
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: It's sort of what it sounded like. Uh, your life

824
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: expectancy is normal if you have CP, um, but like

825
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: you indicated, you could have worshening mobility over the years. Right.

826
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: And we should also say I think a lot of

827
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: people assume that people with cerebral palsy have um intellectual disabilities.

828
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: They very well may. If the brain or if the

829
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: blood supply or oxygen supplies cut off to your brain. Uh,

830
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: that can lead to intellectual disabilities. That's almost co morbid though,

831
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: right or co occurring co occurring? Did you see somebody

832
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: write that in They were like, Chuck, don't worry. There's

833
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 1: another term for it, like occurring because it's not necessarily

834
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: because the CP, it's because of the brain injury. Right. Um,

835
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: so it would be co occurring. Right. Um, So some

836
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: people who have CP also have an intellectual disability. You

837
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: would be very much mistaken to assume that all people

838
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: who have CP have an ellect disability. And I think

839
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: you could probably bet that most people who have CP,

840
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: who you talk to like they have an intellectual disability,

841
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Speaker 1: would resent that tremendously because they are typically of average

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Speaker 1: intelligence or even above average intelligence. Yeah. Imagine that's a

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Speaker 1: big struggle. Yeah, especially if you have this condition called

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Speaker 1: dis arthria where you can't speak because you can't control

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Speaker 1: those muscles. So people just assume that, um, since you

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Speaker 1: can't speak, you have an intellectual disability. Or do you

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00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: remember Jerry Jewel? Jerry from Facts of Life and she

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Speaker 1: was also in dead Wood too. Oh yeah, she played Jewel,

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Speaker 1: who I think was like an innkeeper or tavern lady

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Speaker 1: or something like that. She didn't have intellectual disabilities, but

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Speaker 1: people assumed she did because she had a certain amount

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Speaker 1: of disarthria. Uh. Same with Josh Blue another comedian. By

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Speaker 1: the way, Jerry started out doing stand up in the seventies.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I remember that. Um, Josh Blue one last

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Speaker 1: comic standing I think. Really he's a very famous stand

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Speaker 1: up comedian who has cerebral palsy. Uh what about r J. Middy? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we both wrote him down. If you look at the note,

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Speaker 1: are J. Middy is at the top. He's at the top.

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Speaker 1: If you have seen Breaking Bad and you know, uh

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Speaker 1: and love Flynn or Walter White Jr. People loved him

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Speaker 1: or they hated him. I thought he was great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was like I mean what you know, he's a

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Speaker 1: handsome kid, he's a good actor, and why not put

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Speaker 1: someone in there? Like I think people are like, well,

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Speaker 1: why why did they? Why does he have cerebral palsy? Like,

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Speaker 1: why not? Because people have it? And as soon as

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Speaker 1: we normalize this by just saying I'm sure put him

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Speaker 1: in that role, why not exactly like it? It had

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Speaker 1: no impact on the show. It might have. I mean

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Speaker 1: maybe there was an extra vulnerability that the family felt

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Speaker 1: as a protectors, But I think that humanized them even

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Speaker 1: more rather than it added certainly in an extra amount

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Speaker 1: of depth to their characters. Yeah. Have you heard of

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Speaker 1: Abby Nicole Curran? She was missing, she represented I was

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Speaker 1: She was Miss Iowa for the Miss USA two thousand

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Speaker 1: eight pageant um already mentioned Christy Brown, my left foot guy. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's a dude named Jerry Trailer who jogged across the

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Speaker 1: United States on his crutches. Jogged across the US on

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Speaker 1: his crutches, um and then Stephen Hopkins had cerebral palsy

880
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: and he signed the Declaration of Independence and he had

881
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: this awesome quote, my hand trembles, my heart does not.

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00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: I love that guy. And then lastly, if you want

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Speaker 1: to um, just kind of see what it's like to

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Speaker 1: live with cerebral palsy. There are a lot of um

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Speaker 1: online journals Facebook pages of people who are more than

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Speaker 1: happy to tell you about it. I came across one

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Speaker 1: called CP Daily Living UM and it it's the written

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Speaker 1: by the mom of a nine year old girl named

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Speaker 1: Maya who has cerebral palsy. And like it's it's extremely

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Speaker 1: uplifting and inspiring and then heart wrenching and just neat

891
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Speaker 1: to just kind of peek in on this girl's life.

892
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Speaker 1: She's the new Karen. That's why those books captured America's attention,

893
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: because it's it's really just about the ins and outs

894
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Speaker 1: of your life. Yeah, this is this is exactly what

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Speaker 1: it's like. UM. Yeah, it's a it's a neat blog

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Speaker 1: for sure. So cerebral Palsy get off our backs, Kyle, Okay,

897
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Speaker 1: and uh. Cerebral Palsy Awareness Month I believe is March.

898
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Speaker 1: We're coming out in September. Were either late or we're early.

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Speaker 1: We're both. Yes. If you want to know more about

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Speaker 1: cerebral palsy, go online. You can also type those words

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Speaker 1: in the search bar. How stuff, we're dot com. And

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00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: since I said search bar, it's time for listener mail.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this clearing up a couple of things

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Speaker 1: about ice. Is this about ice? No, but we should

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00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: go ahead an issue that. Um, there was a gaff

906
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Speaker 1: about ice being more dense than water, the one liquid

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Speaker 1: that's that's not And first of all, we want to

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Speaker 1: thank Actually, let me take that back because that's probably wrong,

909
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Speaker 1: and we'll get listen to mail about that. First of all,

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Speaker 1: we want to thank the forty two people who sent

911
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Speaker 1: us messages and nineteen and counting what one just came in,

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Speaker 1: we should have a counter d um. But if you

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Speaker 1: listen to our Icebergs podcast, Josh very eloquently explains the

914
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: correct thing. Oh I just forgot in depth in the

915
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: Icebergs podcast. So thanks man. How did you know that

916
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Speaker 1: you remembered it well? Now, someone said, Josh, you you

917
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Speaker 1: did a great job explaining it correctly in the Icebergs podcast,

918
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Speaker 1: and yeah, it's just well goof. But like at this

919
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Speaker 1: point a marionette of knowledge. It just lurched from one fact, well,

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00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: proof that things get jumbled up. There after eight and

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Speaker 1: fifty something shows. You know, I gotta go back and

922
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: listen to Icebergs again. Remember that one, Just like when

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Speaker 1: you go to bed and I put it on under

924
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: your pillow and just curl up. A single tear rolls

925
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 1: down my cheek and freezes. Um. All right, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: just want to see your podcast has been an absolute

927
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Speaker 1: revelation for me. I've avoided podcasts for the last decade somehow,

928
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Speaker 1: but I started a new job with an hourly commute.

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Speaker 1: We're the commuter's best friend, uh, and picked up you

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Speaker 1: guys is my first one? Anyway, you're pretty much you

931
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Speaker 1: were pretty full of info. I thought I posed a

932
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: question that I came up with in the shower. Is

933
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: it better to hear good news first or bad news?

934
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Speaker 1: I could see good news being better first, so bad

935
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Speaker 1: news would be softened, but the opposite could make sense,

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Speaker 1: helped take your mind off the bad news once you've

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Speaker 1: heard the good news. Any thoughts, Uh, definitely, it's a

938
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Speaker 1: personal preference bad news first. Yeah, I'm a bad news

939
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Speaker 1: first guy too. Yeah, let's get it out of the way.

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00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: I want to know the bad first and then yeah,

941
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Speaker 1: there's a treat coming afterward. Yeah, you know, you get

942
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: this sugar with the medicine. Yeah, like Mary Poppins. All right,

943
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Speaker 1: I agree. Um. Mostly I want to tell you, guys

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Speaker 1: how much you've enriched my life, um, by not only

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Speaker 1: making my commute better, but teaching me about topics that

946
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Speaker 1: had no idea. We're so fascinating. Like so you get

947
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Speaker 1: a lot of emails like this, but from the bottom

948
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Speaker 1: of my heart, I want to say thank you for

949
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: what you do. And that is Jacob Beasley. And there's

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Speaker 1: another question. Okay, well this is a ps. What's the

951
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: difference between a fact and a factoid? I always thought

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Speaker 1: a factoid in a statement of the pierced true, that

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Speaker 1: isn't you guys use a lot. I'm sure you. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure I'm incorrect, Jacob, You're not. We are factoid Now,

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Speaker 1: factoids one of those words because language evolves as a

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Speaker 1: living thing that now has officially two meanings. Norman Mailer

957
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: invented the term factoid in the seventies like truthiness, yeah,

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Speaker 1: sort of, but his original definition was a piece of

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00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: information becomes accepted as fact even though it's not true. Um,

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00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: that sounds like Norman Mailer all over totally. But since

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00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: then it is evolved, it can mean just a insignificant

962
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Speaker 1: little fact, right, like a nugget. Yeah, it's it's evolved

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00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: into what it sounds like. Finally. Yeah, so language evolves, people,

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Speaker 1: it does, man, octopi, octopusses, octopods, take your take your pick,

965
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Speaker 1: and stop being weirdos about it. Yeah, pedantry is no

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Speaker 1: fun for anyone. It's not. If you want to hang

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Speaker 1: out with Chuck and Iron our social meds, you can

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