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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up,

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Speaker 1: party people, It's your boy, Jason McEntire, Straight Fire. Friday,

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Speaker 1: March twelfth, final weekend of the college basketball Championship week. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's been a good week gambling. If you follow me

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Speaker 1: on Instagram stories posted pics winning days on Wednesday. On Thursday,

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Speaker 1: hop on board, folks. It's getting fun in March. Uh,

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Speaker 1: not a lot to say today. Ahead of the interview,

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Speaker 1: we have a lengthy interview. It gets heated with the combative,

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Speaker 1: the one and only Steve Hartman. If you don't know him,

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Speaker 1: he's a San Diego radio personality who's done a lot

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Speaker 1: of TV and radio in l A. I know him

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Speaker 1: from Fox Sports Radio. He's easy to get worked up.

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Speaker 1: We disagree on just about everything and we chop it

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Speaker 1: up on a little longer than expected. But it's fun.

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Speaker 1: It's all over the place conversation that I think sports

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Speaker 1: fans willike. If you like football, basketball, baseball, any of it,

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Speaker 1: you will enjoy the conversation. I guess. The only news

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Speaker 1: is we have big plans for Monday show March Madness. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the brackets come out Sunday. We will have best Bets

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Speaker 1: lots of gambling advice on Monday's show. Definitely, uh, subscribe,

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Speaker 1: rate and review, and um, you know you'll be looking

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Speaker 1: for this one on Monday morning, bright and early. All right,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, let's jump right into it. Here's Steve Hartman,

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Speaker 1: the famous, notorious, famous, whatever you wanna call him, radio

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Speaker 1: TV personality out here in Los Angeles. Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: R to listen live. Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. I know what sports

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Speaker 1: guy who does. Let's just say I know a guy

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Speaker 1: who knows a guy who knows another guy. All right,

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Speaker 1: it's time to welcome into straight fire a guest who uh.

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Speaker 1: I got to meet him when I moved out here

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Speaker 1: to l A. I started doing this Saturday morning radio

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Speaker 1: show and this guy would come in maybe like thirty

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Speaker 1: right after mine, and he was an interesting fellow. I'd

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Speaker 1: And he's a big time radio guy. He's done a

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Speaker 1: lot of TV, and he's always hot. He's just firing

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Speaker 1: on all cylinders, takes no prisoners. His name is Steve Hartman,

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Speaker 1: and we have a large audience out here in l A.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of them will know him. Steve, How

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Speaker 1: are you on this fine fine March afternoon. Well, you know, Jason,

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Speaker 1: the only reason I'm fired up is listening to your show.

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Speaker 1: Normally I would just calmly come in take over for

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Speaker 1: whoever is proceeding me. But now with you, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no, no no, You're hot, Daggs is what gets me hot.

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Speaker 1: Getting ready for my show. Yeah. Hartlet would drive up

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Speaker 1: It's always like I can't believe you said it or

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Speaker 1: because we'd always disagree on everything Hart But and I

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Speaker 1: don't know if we agree on everything, except like today

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Speaker 1: it's sunny in Los Angeles and you can't really dispute that. Yeah, Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: They sort of moved me to that midday slot on Saturdays.

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Speaker 1: here Sterling Sharp and Hartman proceeded to rattle off like

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Speaker 1: Let me let me tell you right now why the

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind this now, like for football, there's a

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Speaker 1: they're honored in the College Football Hall of Fame. I'm

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Speaker 1: football or two different sports. You're played differently. One is

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Speaker 1: There is a FEBA Hall of Fame that's international players.

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Speaker 1: You know what, there's not an NBA Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: So what we have to do is we have to

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Speaker 1: And yet there's not a separate NBA Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Look at the finalists for this year's Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: And this is no knock on the women's candidates, or

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Speaker 1: great outlet passers in the history of the game. I

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Speaker 1: don't care who was on the court. And by the way,

424
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Speaker 1: when you say who was on the courtback in those days,

425
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: eight teams eight? Can you imagine if this NBA right now,

426
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: if you little thirty teams down to eight, how good

427
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: would this league be? Well, there'd be a lot more talent.

428
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: But come on, that's not realistic. I mean, if anything,

429
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: there should be more expansion, more tash, more expansion league

430
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: right now teams there are, of course, there's bad teams

431
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: in the NFL, there's bad teams in baseball. But you know,

432
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: the owners are making billions of dollars. And as someone

433
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Speaker 1: um who is a minority owner of a basketball team

434
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: in Australia, technically New Zealand. Like I understand, there should

435
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: be expansion everywhere, more everything, Hartman. The fans can't get

436
00:24:54,240 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: enough of it. But the numbers aren't great. The thing,

437
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: because of the changes in consumption habits. There wasn't streaming

438
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties. There was like eight channels, you know,

439
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: before cable arrived. And then cable arrives, and yeah there's

440
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: some expansion, but I don't know about you. I didn't

441
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: get cable TV till I was in like sixth grade.

442
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: And even then, Hartman, there was an NBA on every

443
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Speaker 1: single night, you know, Major League Baseball, every game every

444
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: night in the summer. You can just flip the channel

445
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: and watch every single game. That dilutes it. There's no

446
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: nothing special about it. That's why the NFL, I believe,

447
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: and I think you'd agree with me. The NFL still

448
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: has the most value one game a week. Yeah, there

449
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: is now Monday and Thursday and Sunday night football. But

450
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: when there's fewer games to watch than yeah, obviously there's

451
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: gonna be more interest. I mean, it's tough for me

452
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Speaker 1: to get up for the NBA every night, and I

453
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: love NBA college hoops. Hartman. I used to watch games

454
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Speaker 1: in January that that doesn't happen anymore. That's just not

455
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: the new normal, is it. No, it's not so oversaturated

456
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: a games. So then what you need to do is

457
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: it's about drawing new eyeballs to the set you're you're

458
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Speaker 1: gonna watch. You are hooked into the basketball world, you're

459
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: hooked into the sports world. As you say, you've seen

460
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: an evolution of game, you're okay with it. You're also

461
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Speaker 1: a gambler. Let's make that clear. If we take the

462
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: gambling aspect out of sports, so many of people, and

463
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: you know this to be true, the proliferation of gambling,

464
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Speaker 1: the legalization of sports gambling in every state, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: literally have all fifty states with organized sports gambling. If

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Speaker 1: you take the gambling element out and you're just watching

467
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Speaker 1: these sports for the aesthetics of the sport, because you

468
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Speaker 1: enjoy watching the game, I guarantee you those numbers would collapse.

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Speaker 1: The overwhelming of people that are listening to this podcast,

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Speaker 1: that listen to you on the radio, that watch you

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Speaker 1: on TV, that follow everything Jason McIntyre does us are gamblers.

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00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: You see. There's yeah, But that's the thing, Hartman, there

473
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: is no direct correlation between gambling on games that isn't

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Speaker 1: football and viewers. We know the gambling TV shows don't

475
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: do a lot of ratings on TV, So there's zero

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Speaker 1: evidence that just because I've been on twenty three college

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Speaker 1: basketball games today or whatever the number is, I'm gonna

478
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: watch all those games. I got a life to live.

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00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: There are many options out there. Would you want It's

480
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: the bottom line. Would you care about this sport if

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Speaker 1: gambling were not in aspect of the sport? Yes, I did.

482
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: I cared about it when I was younger, and I

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Speaker 1: wasn't gambling when I was like fifteen or twenty. Started

484
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Speaker 1: gambling in college, but even then, like, do you need

485
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Speaker 1: gambling to watch games? No, I'm not a gambler. I

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Speaker 1: don't bet on any game, so maybe that's the difference.

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Speaker 1: I have never been a gambler. I have never been

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Speaker 1: on anything in my entire life when it comes to

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Speaker 1: sports outside of a token. You know, I'm with a

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00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: bunch of buddies at a Super Bowl, we make a

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00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: bet on the game. I don't bet on anything. And

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00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: I worked with one of them notorious gamblers and the

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00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: history of the media check forty way back in the day,

494
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: he goes back to the gambling scandals of the nineteen fifties.

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Speaker 1: His career as the number one lead producer director at

496
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: ABC was destroyed by his gamble and addictions, all the stories,

497
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. So you worked with him and he was

498
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Speaker 1: gambling on games like No, he was a reformed gambler

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Speaker 1: when I worked with him, because he was facing all

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Speaker 1: kinds of legal repercussions and everything back in the days

501
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: when a lot of the gambling was not legal. So

502
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm one of those rare breeds that I'm watching.

503
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: I watched games because I enjoyed watching the game, or

504
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm not watching the games because I'm not enjoying what

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Speaker 1: it is I'm watching. I've almost become enamored with this

506
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Speaker 1: All Star game. You know, set the points at twenty

507
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: four or whatever you need the target score, because now

508
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so I'm sort of interested in now

509
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: to see which team is going to get to that

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Speaker 1: target score. Worked better two years ago, obviously than than

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Speaker 1: this year. But I I you talk about someone that

512
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Speaker 1: is not drawn to not only not watch the games,

513
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: where really and people say, well, do you watch games

514
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Speaker 1: because it's part of your job. I certainly follow the

515
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Speaker 1: games because I have to talk about him and I

516
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: see trends, but as a viewer, as someone that wants

517
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Speaker 1: to sit down, and I'm not talking about playoff basketball

518
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Speaker 1: playoffs because that's a different dynamo. I've just thought about

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00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: a regular season game. Man, you you really there's gotta

520
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: be so I can't. I can't remember the last. But

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Speaker 1: does that apply to everything? Does that apply to the NHL,

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball? Well, I think playoffs make a difference.

523
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, let's get to the playoffs right now.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this eighty two games schedule for

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Speaker 1: the NBA. They cut it down to seventy two games

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Speaker 1: because of condensing the season to get this league ready

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Speaker 1: for the Olympics. I don't know why that still matters,

528
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: but apparently it matters if sore as international marketing for

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Speaker 1: the NBA, especially with the summer games coming in Tokyos.

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00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: That NBA is such a huge commodity in Asia, they

531
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: really want to make sure they take full advantage of that.

532
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: But come on, I mean, how many is it too

533
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Speaker 1: long for you? Jason? Seventy two games? Eighty two games,

534
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: sixty two games? How much? How much regular season basketball

535
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Speaker 1: do you need in order to get to where you're

536
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Speaker 1: really trying. That's the wrong question. How much do you need?

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Speaker 1: How much? I think the better question is how much

538
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: money can you make off seventy two games versus eighty

539
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: two games. I mean, listen, I've got a life, I

540
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: got kids, I got a wife. Uh. As much as

541
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: I like the NBA, I'm not consuming NBA game soup

542
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: to nuts until the playoffs. Really. I mean, I'm watching

543
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: here here and there, putting the kids to bed. Um,

544
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: we'll hang out, we'll watch a fourth quarter of a

545
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: close game that matters. But yeah, I'm not tuning into

546
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Speaker 1: Minnesota Orlando in February. It's just not happening. I don't

547
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Speaker 1: know that anyone is. Even if I gambled on the game,

548
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: and I might, I'm not tuning into that. Like there's

549
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: just life is too short to spend your time in

550
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: front the TV watching every single all right. So this

551
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: this brings up the majority of the money that is

552
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: funneled into these leagues, The fact that of the NBA

553
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: players are making twenty million dollars award this year, of

554
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: all players in the NBA are drawing a salary base

555
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: salary of at least twenty million dollars. Where's this money

556
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: coming from. It's coming from television. So we understand in

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00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: this day and age where commercial TV is on you know,

558
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: the Dodo bird list. I mean, the extinction is coming

559
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: with streaming and everything else going out there. How do

560
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: they survive? How do they survive? Well, sports has been,

561
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,479
Speaker 1: there has been. There there one ticket where they can

562
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: still count on eyeballs to watch live broadcasts. But if

563
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: those numbers can continue to diminish, if the streaming avenue

564
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: continues to rise, where's that gonna come to? Slow? My

565
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: guess is it's a slow transition. Advertisers still love the

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Speaker 1: traditional advertising. There's still that over fifty bracket that watches

567
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: a ton of TV. I have three cable boxes in

568
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: my house. I'm not fifty or close to it, and

569
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: we still watch a lot of TV. Advertising will be fine.

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Speaker 1: They eventually will figure out how to monetize social media, YouTube,

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Speaker 1: all these other aspects. It just is a slow grind

572
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: as the money goes from traditional TV to the new

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Speaker 1: forms of media. I mean, I don't I don't think

574
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Speaker 1: it's that complicated. Everybody wants to make it out like

575
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: sports are dying. Sports are dead. Like, have you seen

576
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: the valuations, Steve of MLS teams FC Cincinnati's worth million dollars.

577
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: That's a real film. The owners are Soccer is a

578
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: Ponzi scheme. You know that they keep funnily new franchises

579
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Speaker 1: in to keep the money flow going. If you think

580
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: the House of cards, what's gonna happen when the World

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Speaker 1: Cup comes here? Here's about the World Cup? What do

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Speaker 1: you mean? Who cares about the World Cup? With the

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Speaker 1: world does? We? We have football, It's called the National

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00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: Football world has football. We have football. The World Cup, Steve,

585
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: will generate the biggest TV ratings that year, bigger than

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Speaker 1: anything probably accept the Super Bowl. Well in the world,

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Speaker 1: it will no, no, no, in the United States. And

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Speaker 1: really you think that you think the World Cup final

589
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: will draw bigger numbers? Well, no, I didn't say that.

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Speaker 1: I meant the US games and the US is, by

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00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: the way, really really good. Stop you if you've heard

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Speaker 1: this once, the last time we saw the US actually

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Speaker 1: participated in the World Cups, stop it. Let's I'm sorry

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00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: missed the last time they did that. Let me let

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Speaker 1: me I'm gonna go back a little. I'm glad you

596
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: brought up soccer. Wow, you talk about generation. Okay, I

597
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: go back to the nineties seventies when Pelee showed up

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Speaker 1: with the Cosmos right, and they were packing him in,

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00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: packing him in in New York. With the arrival of

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Speaker 1: the greatest, most famous soccer player, arguably of all time.

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00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: Certainly at that point Pelee was that. Indeed, that league

602
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: went into extinction. I remember in the seventies. In the seventies,

603
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: people are talking about here it comes, here, it comes Look,

604
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: it's not happening. The rest of the world has football.

605
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: We have what's called football, the National Football League. There's

606
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: no place running on his calendar. The World Cup is

607
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: no different than the Olympics. It draws headlines for a

608
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks and then it's forgotten. I remember after

609
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: our women won the World Cup, you know, Brandy Tasting

610
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: and the whole they started a professional women's soccer league.

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Speaker 1: I remember because they launched the team here in San

612
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: Diego where I'm sitting right now. I even got to

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Speaker 1: play in like a celebrity soccer decked out in this

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00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: soccer gear. Everyone was jazz, the biggest names, all the superstars,

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00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: Mia Ham, all the stars from that you know, Gold

616
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: medal winning World Cup team were there. That league folded

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00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: in two weeks two years gone. But allow me to

618
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: just say this, um heartman, and you will acknowledge the

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Speaker 1: major league soccer in the world's world stage is really

620
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: minor leagues. Agree with that. By the way, if you

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Speaker 1: look at the ratings, the highest rated soccer league TV

622
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: wise in America is Liga MX the and those two religiously. Well,

623
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Speaker 1: guess what. The country is getting increasingly brown, more and

624
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: more people coming to America from Mexico, a lot of

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00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: new generational people being born. You know, the country's getting browner.

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00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: And those people love soccer. Soccer ratings, they have the

627
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: young demo unlock, and that demo generates a ton of money. Okay,

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Speaker 1: saying it's taken over for football or basketball, I will

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Speaker 1: vow you on this. I'm gonna follow you on this. Okay. Now,

630
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Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing with you, because you're absolutely right about that.

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Speaker 1: It also raises a big question for the future of

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Speaker 1: the national football So you look at the Super Bowl

633
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Speaker 1: ratings and when they breakdown the demographics, when we're talking

634
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Speaker 1: about that eighteen to twenty five demographic around there, the

635
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: numbers in that demographic viewers of the Super Bowl have

636
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: gone down ten straight years. Yes, okay, So what you're

637
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: saying is is the changing demographics of this country is

638
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: going to spell the end of the national football I'm

639
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: not talking about this year and you're yeah, I would say,

640
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: and about we're what twenty five years, twenty ish, twenty

641
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: or thirty years away from this being becoming a thing.

642
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: Let me give it. Let me ask you this because

643
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm I've never been a soccer fan. I watch it

644
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: World Cup, you know, I'm I'm anytime the United States

645
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: is involved in anything, I'm a patriot. I like to watch.

646
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: I get excited. You bought USA old school, right? What

647
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: is the one thing if you had a choice between

648
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: an elite football matchup versus an elite NFL game, give

649
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: me reasons why you would actually watch football over the

650
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: NFL's Come on, that's a little silly. Unless I was

651
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: an owner of the team, I would definitely watch the

652
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: NFL over soccer. I do like soccer a lot. Maybe

653
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: it's a sport more appealing to you, that's my questions.

654
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: Soccer appealing or foot? Yeah? What's more appealing to you

655
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: when you watch football? I like football from fantasy from gambling.

656
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: I like watching it. These are great athletes doing phenomenal things.

657
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: I still think NBA athletes are the best. Um, sorry

658
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: football players, but yeah, I like football. I like watching it.

659
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: It is fun my Sundays for about seven sixteen of

660
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: the Sundays, usually one Sunday I have to concede and

661
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: do something with my family, but I am planted in

662
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: front of the TV from ten am out here on

663
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: the West Coast until Sunday night. Football, you know, is

664
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: about to start. Say how about during World Cup? Would

665
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: you watch one match after another? I do watch. I

666
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: consume a lot of World Cup. I played soccer growing up.

667
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: I was kind of good. I was on travel teams

668
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: and I just like soccer. One of my buddies, uh

669
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: Sons is like an up and coming guy. He could

670
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: be on like the the under sixteen national team. He's

671
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: very good. Like I like soccer. Um, I'm a big fan.

672
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to overtake the NFL. But

673
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: in this country, you know, everything is cyclical. Okay, At

674
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: one point, horse racing and boxing with a top sports

675
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: in America. That was like a hundred years ago, right,

676
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: well not even a hundred years ago. Let's say fifty

677
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: years ago. I always said this before nineteen sixty. Before

678
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty, the four major sports in this country, we're baseball, boxing,

679
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: horse racing, and college football, not the NFL. College college

680
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: NFL was not massive in the nineteen eighties. Partly took

681
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, which lined up perfectly uh with the

682
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: explosion of cable television and obviously ESPN helped NUDGET along.

683
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: But in the nineties, the Internet pops. Dallas Cowboys win

684
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: multiple Super Bowls in a row, and like they became

685
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: America's team. And that's when football, I think took off.

686
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: So football, really, I I mean, I don't think football

687
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: the NFL was massive in the nineties, do you. Okay,

688
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: So it's only been like twenty five years. It's gonna

689
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: be cyclical. In another twenty five years, another sport will

690
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: be tops in America. I don't know if it'll be soccer.

691
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: I can't see it being college football. The way things

692
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: are headed, NBA has gotta be in contention baseball. At

693
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: some point we'll have a resurgence. But I guess we've

694
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: gone way long. Hartman, I didn't even realize this is

695
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: the thing. What are you talking about you. You you

696
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: you bring the heat and get me started. I just

697
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: looked up at the clock and we've gone long. I'm

698
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: gonna wrap up on this. UM. You know, looking at

699
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: the NFL and the NFL Draft, I'm curious as to

700
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: what your level of interest is in, UM, college football

701
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: the draft because college football had an uneven year and

702
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: the ratings were down significantly. UM, I don't know. I'm

703
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: just curious where you are on college football. I know

704
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: you're a college football I am a college football fanatic.

705
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: It is my number one sport. And the reason it

706
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: still remains number one is traditional. A lot of the

707
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: you take fans out of college football. I think it

708
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: had a majorly bad effect on the game when you

709
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: have stadiums that have a hundred thousand seats and the

710
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: NFL teams will not draw fans like seven or eight

711
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: teams that get regularly a hundred thousand fans. Where there's Michigan,

712
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: benn State, Tennessee, whatever these schools are. UM, but as

713
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Speaker 1: far as the draft is concerned, here's my one thing

714
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Speaker 1: to throw at you. I ask you this. Jason McIntyre,

715
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles, Jettison, Carson Wentz, They have the sixth

716
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: overall pick in this draft. They got Jalen Hurts. If

717
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: Justin Fields is sitting on the board at number six

718
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: and you're the Eagles, do you take Justin Fields? No? No,

719
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: gonna be a franchise quarterback. I don't know, but I'm

720
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: willing to find out. And the Eagles are in kind

721
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: of a transitional year, Hartman, are they not like they're

722
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: gonna be out de Sean Jackson's gone. All Sean Jeffrey's gone.

723
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: They're bringing in new dudes. The offensive line is ancient.

724
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: They're You're gonna be kind of turning over. I think

725
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: you see what you've got. It hurts, you get your

726
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: salary cap in order, you got a new coach, and

727
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: this is kind of, you know, like you have college

728
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: age kids. You know, we've talked about the idea of

729
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: a gap year. I think this is almost a gap

730
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: year for the Eagles. Now. Maybe Hurts is awesome, but

731
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't love Justin Fields as a prospect. Jets are

732
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: my Jets are sitting into since January. I was one

733
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: of the early guys who had Zack Wilson at number two,

734
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: and everybody's been on board since it's been pretty clear.

735
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: You watch Jack Wilson, He's dynamic. Don't you have a

736
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback in Sam Darnald. We thought we had one,

737
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: but I could say we we thought we had one,

738
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: but it's pretty clear after three seasons. No, he's not

739
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. You think you honestly think a guy

740
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: that everyone thought was the most talented quarterback in that

741
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: draft has no talent to become a franchise quarterback. Okay, No,

742
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: it's it's complicated. It's like when you're breaking up with somebody. Listen,

743
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: it's not you, it's me. Listen. With the Sam Donald situation,

744
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: they'll have to pay him twenty five mill a year

745
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: or more next season. I'm not willing to see Sam

746
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: Donald's have one good year and then you gotta pay

747
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: him twenty five mill when you could just restart the

748
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback thing scale with Zach Wilson, that that twenty

749
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: five mill, Like, I don't want to get in a

750
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: position where I gotta pay Sam Donald twenty five million

751
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: year and two years in a year. Because we just

752
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: saw Dak at forty mill. Baker Mayfield's up next, Lamar

753
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: Jackson's up next, Josh Allen's up after that? Like, are

754
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: those guys forty two million dollar a year quarterbacks? Hell? No, Hartman.

755
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: One of the things I'm big on, and I'm putting

756
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: my chips in right now. We're gonna start seeing teams

757
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: right that quarterback through the first five years that they

758
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: have him, and then start to start to cycle through again.

759
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: I don't think paying quarterbacks million a year is gonna work.

760
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't think you can build a team around that.

761
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: And I would rather just restart the cycle. Should the

762
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: Cowboys have restarted or should have given Dak Prescott all

763
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: that money? I mean, listen, it's impossible to say just

764
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: say no and pass on him and see if what

765
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: other suckers willing to give him forty mill. But next

766
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: year they have actually a chance to be kind of good.

767
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: He's only on the books for twenty two million ranked

768
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: defense in the NFL and offensive line. This is also true. However,

769
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: next year by signing back to the long term deal,

770
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: they save fifteen mill in the cap. If they can

771
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: get two or three defensive players who are factors, get

772
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman at ten or what eleven, whatever their

773
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: pick is, there is a window next year where they

774
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: win the division and maybe go on a run if

775
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: things break their way. Drew Brees has retired. Hartman. I

776
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: looked at the schedule their home opponents. The best team

777
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: they'll face is Washington. That's the only team that made

778
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: the playoffs last year, and Washington's quarterback issue is significant,

779
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: So they could win the division. Maybe they win a

780
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: playoff game. Maybe things break their way. Aaron Rodgers gets

781
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: hurt and then you gotta go through what Matt Stafford,

782
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. Are you not mentioning the Super Bowl champions

783
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: the team that just Tampa Bay, Kansas City. You have

784
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: dismissed Tampa Bay. You still do not leave. The best

785
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: quarterback in this league is Tom Brady. He is still

786
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the league. Do you know that

787
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: this year, including the playoffs, he had more yards passing

788
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: and more touchdown passes than Patrick Mahomes, more yards passing,

789
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: more touchdown passing by stopped. That's a little gimmick. Look

790
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: at the talent on that team, both sides of the

791
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: Look at Mahomes. By the way, did you see Mahomes?

792
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: What happened? They announced that both their tackles are not returning.

793
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: Big mistake. He was running for his life. The mistake

794
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: is you gotta pay mahomes what five million dollars cuts

795
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: have to come from somewhere, so they've got to restart

796
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: the cycle on the offensive line. All right, listen, we've

797
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: gone very long. Heartman is probably gonna get hate mail

798
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: for this. Steve Hartman, what do you want to pump up?

799
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: What do you want to announce? That's huge? The only

800
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: thing I want to pump up is that I ever

801
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to see you directly after you finish

802
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: your national show. By the way, that national show that

803
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: you have has the largest audience of any show in

804
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: the Premiere Radio Networks Empire. I don't know if people

805
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: know that. If you advertised that, I showed us you

806
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: have the biggest potential audience, most likely audience for your

807
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: Saturday show. I will thank you for the promotion. Steve Hartman.

808
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: That's very kind of you. M Hartman does everything. He

809
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: does radio and San Diego, he does TV out here

810
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: in l A. He knows everybody. He's a mover and shaker.

811
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: If you want to rise in the industry, hit up Hartman.

812
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: You don't do a lot of social media, do you

813
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: know I don't. I'm I'm a little old school on

814
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: people hit you on LinkedIn if they want to jump, No,

815
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: they'll have to go through you. Uh, if you if

816
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: you were looking for my advice is always this, never

817
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: lose your enthusiasm if you do something that you love doing.

818
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: I work. I have radio seven days a week. I

819
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: do television. I'm working positively every single day, seven days

820
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: a week, three sixty five days a year. I do

821
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: a radio show every Goodness and you and your advice

822
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: to the young folks is what something you're passionate about.

823
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: If you use something you're passionate about, you never work.

824
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: Gives me something to do every single day, alright, Steve

825
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: Hartman Drey is the legend. Hit him on LinkedIn. He'll

826
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: hire you as a personal intern meeting alright, Steve, keep

827
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: up the good work man, Thanks for the time, all right.

828
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Speaker 1: Jason