Speaker 1: Broadcasting from the Civic Cipher Studios. Welcome to the QR Code,
Speaker 1: where we share a perspective, seek understanding, and shape outcomes.
Speaker 1: I am Rams's job and I am q Ward, and
Speaker 1: we would like for you to stick around today because
Speaker 1: we have a lot to talk about. First up, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about Shaudure Sanders. Is IM not saying
Speaker 1: that right? Yes? Should Sanders? Okay? You know, I famously
Speaker 1: am not the uh the sports guy, but Q is
Speaker 1: so he keeps me, he keeps me in line here.
Speaker 1: But we're going to talk about him and his uh,
Speaker 1: his getting drafted so late, the one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: fourth overall pick, and we're gonna, you know, kind of discuss,
Speaker 1: you know, some of the goings on and try to
Speaker 1: sort out why that happened. There's a lot of opinions
Speaker 1: online and I'm learning, so I know that Q is
Speaker 1: going to provide some insight there, but we're definitely gonna
Speaker 1: get into that. We're also gonna be talking about Shannon
Speaker 1: Sharp and uh, you know, his the lawsuit, the fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars lawsuit that's been filed against him. We're going
Speaker 1: to offer some maybe opinions on that. Story, So that's
Speaker 1: a troubling one, but obviously one we need to cover.
Speaker 1: We're also going to spend some time, if you're able
Speaker 1: to stick around for later in the show, discussing a
Speaker 1: judge that was arrested for trying to protect an immigrant,
Speaker 1: and we're kind of seeing the role of judges and
Speaker 1: the esteem that we typically assigned to judges. We're seeing
Speaker 1: that evolve in real time, and so we're going to
Speaker 1: spend some time discussing that story. And for our final
Speaker 1: story of the day, we're going to be discussing the
Speaker 1: movie Centers. So for those that are able to stick
Speaker 1: around for the entertainment section, we're going to hear from
Speaker 1: Ryan Coogler. There's a clip that I want to play
Speaker 1: for everyone. But also we're going to discuss the movie
Speaker 1: and kind of the cultural impact of the movie, because
Speaker 1: that's an exciting thing that a lot of folks are
Speaker 1: talking about as well. All that and so much more
Speaker 1: to stick around for. But around here, we'd like to
Speaker 1: start off feeling good. We hope you're feeling good too,
Speaker 1: So let's start off with our feel good feature. We're
Speaker 1: going to share a bit from MSN. This is the headline,
Speaker 1: rather is ACLU defeats Trump, signals Supreme Court shift. So
Speaker 1: I'll share a bit. The Supreme Court recently blocked the
Speaker 1: Trump administration from deporting Venezuelan's detained in Northern Texas under
Speaker 1: the Alien Enemies Act of seventeen to ninety eight. The
Speaker 1: Court's ruling overturned earlier guidance re requiring individuals to have
Speaker 1: a chance to present their cases before deportation. The American
Speaker 1: Civil Liberties Union or the ACLU, initiated the emergency appeal
Speaker 1: leading to this ruling, which may signal a shift in
Speaker 1: the conservative leading high court. So that's not nothing.
Speaker 2: I guess we can hold out hope. I tend not
Speaker 2: to and in instances like this because I don't look
Speaker 2: forward to being let down in that way. But you
Speaker 2: know it, someone standing up to Donald Trump and the
Speaker 2: idea that or getting back to the idea that everyone
Speaker 2: deserves due process, not just those who the other side
Speaker 2: deems worthy, was even themselves without due process, could be
Speaker 2: held in these same circumstances and could do nothing to
Speaker 2: prove that they don't deserve the same bad treatment that
Speaker 2: they're wishing on other people.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, one of the things that you know,
Speaker 1: for people that aren't able to imagine or put themselves
Speaker 1: in the shoes of an illegal quote unquote person. Just
Speaker 1: imagine if you were taking a vacation and you were
Speaker 1: in England or you know, some country in the Middle
Speaker 1: East or Africa, and you were accused of stealing a
Speaker 1: candy bar from the store, and then they just took
Speaker 1: you and threw you to jail or sent you to
Speaker 1: some country where you don't know anyone, and you never
Speaker 1: had a chance to say, wait a minute, I didn't
Speaker 1: accuse that. That's what it must feel like to be
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people in this country right now,
Speaker 1: and so the acl you fighting for a due process
Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court, falling on the right side of
Speaker 1: history is not nothing. So we'll take it. Moving on
Speaker 1: for our first topic, we want to discuss today a
Speaker 1: little bit about culture. Shadure Sanders. I'm going to share
Speaker 1: a bit from PBS. It's not often that the one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty fourth pick is the biggest story of
Speaker 1: the NFL draft, but Shadur Sanders was not the usual
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty fourth pick, and a situation transcended football.
Speaker 1: The narrative around Sanders blurred lines between sports, race, and culture.
Speaker 1: The former University of Colorado quarterback was the center of
Speaker 1: a three day spectacle of cringe that will live in
Speaker 1: football lore for a long time. Sanders fell from a
Speaker 1: potential top five overall selection on Thursday to the fifth
Speaker 1: round on Saturday in an excruciating slide that had his
Speaker 1: supporters fuming and detractors laughing. The Cleveland Browns finally ended
Speaker 1: sanders As misery with the number one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: fourth selection, adding the twenty three year old to a
Speaker 1: crowded quarterback room that includes Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Fell,
Speaker 1: rookie Dylan Gabriel, and the injured Deshaun Watson. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I I'm really excited to hear your thoughts
Speaker 1: on the story because you know, famously, you know, of
Speaker 1: all the programs that we that we do together. You
Speaker 1: are and you're an athlete yourself. You come from that stock,
Speaker 1: you know for former athlete. I saw your face today.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not saw your face, but you know kind
Speaker 1: of kind of uh, you know, help me and our
Speaker 1: listeners that may not be as familiar with the story
Speaker 1: understand kind of what's going on here, why this took place,
Speaker 1: and so.
Speaker 2: For those who are not you know, sports fans like
Speaker 2: my brother here, Shador Sanders, the son of Hall of Famer,
Speaker 2: you know, all time all pro Dion Sanders Uh as
Speaker 2: a quarterback at the University of Colorado, which I was
Speaker 2: lucky enough to be able to go on cover for
Speaker 2: iHeart he had. He had a pretty incredible college career.
Speaker 2: Started off at an HBC. You transferred to a Division
Speaker 2: I program where expectations were both very high and some
Speaker 2: expected him to fall in his face, you know, HBCUs
Speaker 2: they considered not high enough level of competition that he
Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to thrive or succeed with the big boys,
Speaker 2: and he proved a lot of people very wrong. The
Speaker 2: interesting thing about his career was that once he got
Speaker 2: to Colorado and they started seeing a little bit of success,
Speaker 2: people lined up to see them fail, and when they
Speaker 2: fell short, people standing ovation celebrated their losses. Part of
Speaker 2: that was resentment for his very very confident father, his
Speaker 2: very successful father, his very flamboyant father of must be
Speaker 2: the money fame, and of telling teams when he was
Speaker 2: about to get drafted they wouldn't be able to afford him.
Speaker 2: They have to put him on layaway.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So when that's your dad, there are people, and we
Speaker 2: can kind of all imagine in our head the type
Speaker 2: of people that want that type of black man to fail.
Speaker 1: There were others who.
Speaker 2: Their negative emotions and their kind of hater qualities had
Speaker 2: nothing to do with his dad.
Speaker 1: They had everything to do with him. You know.
Speaker 2: Shadur very famously scores touchdowns and then shows off. What
Speaker 2: I've been told is I think a quarter million dollar
Speaker 2: watch to the fans and attendance, which rubbed some people
Speaker 2: the wrong way as well. But what we saw with
Speaker 2: him is unprecedented because he was, by some measures, is
Speaker 2: by some awards, the top quarterback in college football last year.
Speaker 2: There weren't very many people that had him rate it
Speaker 2: lower than the second best quarterback in college football last year.
Speaker 2: And if you follow the draft at all, a quarterback
Speaker 2: is the most valuable position in football, and if you
Speaker 2: can get a good quarterback on a rookie deal, that
Speaker 2: kind of is the pathway toward monumental success for your team.
Speaker 2: Quarterback is over value you against other positions. I say
Speaker 2: that as to say, the number one defensive player, the
Speaker 2: number one running back, the number one wide receiver might
Speaker 2: be better players overall at their position and on the
Speaker 2: rankings of players overall, but because the quarterback position is
Speaker 2: so much more important and so much more valuable, typically
Speaker 2: a lower ranked quarterback will get selected before at higher
Speaker 2: ranked running back. So you know, one of the reasons
Speaker 2: why it was so strange that he went so long
Speaker 2: without being drafted is not only because he was ranked
Speaker 2: so high, but because other quarterbacks who were not as
Speaker 2: good as him were drafted before him. In a lot
Speaker 2: of cases, we don't like to call racism. We get
Speaker 2: tired of hearing ourselves say it. So there's cases where
Speaker 2: we make the devil's advocate argument just to not say
Speaker 2: it again. But there's really not very many other ways
Speaker 2: to justify that.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you this, whether other quarters that were
Speaker 1: drafted that were also black.
Speaker 2: Yes, the number one overall pick was black. But I
Speaker 2: wish I had the headline in front of me. There's
Speaker 2: a headline that reads this black quarterback doesn't have on
Speaker 2: flashy gold chains, you understand, So that that's underpinning of racism, right,
Speaker 2: be the be the do good or black guy.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going. Okay, so that's what don't be.
Speaker 2: The hippity hop, poppity hip, diamond chain, diamond watch, black guy,
Speaker 2: don't be like his dad, don't be like your dad,
Speaker 2: don't be like confident, don't be so confident, don't be
Speaker 2: so loud, don't be so ghetto. Right, all these things
Speaker 2: that they'll go without saying. And yes, there were other quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: actually two quarterbacks drafted before him that were black, But
Speaker 2: that's just like saying, what do you mean I'm racist?
Speaker 2: I have a black friend. So what the lesson that
Speaker 2: they were trying to teach here was be humble, Sit down,
Speaker 2: be humble. To quote the great uh doctor, the great philosopher,
Speaker 2: philosopher for Counton, California, mister Kendrick Lamar Duckworth. So yeah,
Speaker 2: and I've seen some of our colleagues argue that, you know,
Speaker 2: he didn't get drafted high because he wasn't that good,
Speaker 2: And I'm asking what did you base that on? Right,
Speaker 2: there's a reason why people thought he would be drafted higher.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just because he was famous. He won the
Speaker 2: award that college football gives to the best quarterback in
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 1: Oh you told me about this, right, So.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just our imagination that we thought he would
Speaker 2: go higher. And again, if you thought he wasn't that good,
Speaker 2: then the guys that were drafted before him, who didn't
Speaker 2: have as impressive numbers, who didn't have as much success,
Speaker 2: who were not ranked as high than how do you
Speaker 2: justify it selecting them before him?
Speaker 1: Okay, so how about this, real quick? Is this the
Speaker 1: guy that had the girlfriend?
Speaker 2: No, so that was Travis Hunter, his teammate, who was
Speaker 2: the number two overall pick in the draft. The Travis Hunter,
Speaker 2: just like you know, the quarterback got selected that got
Speaker 2: selected before him, cam Ward would be subscribed, would be
Speaker 2: described I'm sorry, the same way.
Speaker 1: So real quick, our is the guy Travis Hunter and
Speaker 1: Should Sanders. They're from the same team.
Speaker 2: Same team from HBCU to Colorado.
Speaker 1: They went together. So that's that's something that says something
Speaker 1: about Dion Sanders' coaching abilities, right, Okay, all right, So
Speaker 1: that's first. The second thing is for should Sanders, because
Speaker 1: I don't know how drafts work. When we say one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty fourth overall pick, does that mean that
Speaker 1: the team that picked him, which is the Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 1: they picked other people before they got to him. Yes,
Speaker 1: so they ended did they end up stuck with him
Speaker 1: or did they really want him?
Speaker 2: So that's the that's the trick, right. They're thirty two
Speaker 2: teams in the NFL. Every team picks in every in
Speaker 2: every round of the drafts. So the one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: fourth pick would have been thirty two, thirty two, thirty two,
Speaker 2: thirty two, fourth or fifth round. Okay, and we can
Speaker 2: we can verify that later. But yes, the Browns selected
Speaker 2: multiple players before they selected him.
Speaker 1: Does that mean that he gets less money? Yes?
Speaker 2: Where you're drafted as a rookie determines how much money
Speaker 2: you get paid.
Speaker 1: And does that mean he's not going to be able
Speaker 1: to play as often as as some of the other people?
Speaker 2: So what it what typically mean is you won't have
Speaker 2: as many opportunities as someone drafted higher. But he except
Speaker 2: he's Shador Sanders. So all it means is we can
Speaker 2: pay you less and we may have taught you a lesson.
Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you this. Do you think
Speaker 1: that this was a concerted effort by the NFL or
Speaker 1: the NFL teams.
Speaker 2: To do I think they colluded to do this absolutely.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's by chance that every team passed
Speaker 2: over the number two quarterback in the draft three or
Speaker 2: four times by chance.
Speaker 1: And you said he's number two only on some list.
Speaker 1: On the other lists, he's probably number one. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean he won the O'Brien Awards, given to the
Speaker 2: number one quarterback in college. But even if you think
Speaker 2: that's subjective, people voted on that and he won it.
Speaker 2: And there's a reason why him slipping was a story.
Speaker 2: If he wasn't that good, it would have made sense
Speaker 2: that he wasn't drafted high. He was very good, so
Speaker 2: people were very confused as to why teams kept passing
Speaker 2: on him.
Speaker 1: And last question, please, do you think because you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people will see two black men talking
Speaker 1: about this and we were going to say, well, there's
Speaker 1: race played a factor, do you think that there's anything
Speaker 1: besides race or culture? Will say because you said chains
Speaker 1: and things like that might have factored into his making
Speaker 1: it to one hundred and forty four? Is there anything
Speaker 1: else that we might be.
Speaker 2: Hard to argue anything else, right, because all the other
Speaker 2: things would be true for every other player every year. Right,
Speaker 2: It's not. It's the draft is a crapshoot. You don't
Speaker 2: know that the player that you pick is going to
Speaker 2: be good. We've seen number one overall picks bust. Right,
Speaker 2: But why the guy who was ranked so high went
Speaker 2: so low. It's hard to point to anything else and
Speaker 2: make it make sense.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, we'll keep watching for now to move on
Speaker 1: to our segment two opinions Shannon Sharp. So he's an
Speaker 1: athlete to a football player too. Indeed, I know this,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be fair. I'm going to let everyone know.
Speaker 1: I got on Shannon Sharp, like I was not like
Speaker 1: on him, Q put me on him, and I like
Speaker 1: fell in love with this guy. I thought he was
Speaker 1: like he's so southern all right, in South Georgia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he sounds like it. And I think this guy is
Speaker 1: the greatest. And so I'm kind of coming to the
Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp table. Like in the past couple of years, right,
Speaker 1: I didn't watch him play football or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And obviously he's in some trouble, you know for those
Speaker 1: who follow the headline. So I'll share a bit bring
Speaker 1: everyone up to speed, all right, This is from CNN.
Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp has said he will temporarily take time away
Speaker 1: from his role on ESPN after being sued for assault,
Speaker 1: sexual assault, battery, and sexual battery. He denies the allegations
Speaker 1: in the lawsuit filed Sunday by an anonymous woman and
Speaker 1: her attorneys. Sharp plays a prominent part on ESPN's morning
Speaker 1: sports debate show First Take. Quote. I will be devoting
Speaker 1: this time to my family and responding and dealing with
Speaker 1: these false and disruptive allegations set against me. I planned
Speaker 1: to return to ESPN at the start of the NFL
Speaker 1: preseason unquote, Sharp said in a statement issued on Thursday.
Speaker 1: The Pro Football Hall of Famer concluded by thanking his family, fans, friends,
Speaker 1: and colleagues for their support. Following Sharp's announcement, ESPN said
Speaker 1: in a statement, quote, this is a serious situation, and
Speaker 1: we agree with Shannon's decision to step away. Quote. Sharp's
Speaker 1: legal representatives previously told CNN the lawsuit was an attempt
Speaker 1: to shake down the popular podcaster for millions of dollars,
Speaker 1: and said he categorically denies all allegations of coercion and misconduct.
Speaker 1: So here's you know, what else I know about this.
Speaker 1: I know he released some text messages. I saw the
Speaker 1: video where he says, you know, he made a statement,
Speaker 1: you know, like kind of a piece to camera statement,
Speaker 1: you know, basically saying I'm innocent of these charges. The
Speaker 1: lawyer is an ambulance chaser type of lawyer, and he
Speaker 1: tries to shake down, you know, black men for money.
Speaker 1: And so he made that statement, and he released some
Speaker 1: text messages that kind of gave you know, people some
Speaker 1: insight into the nature of his relationship with this this
Speaker 1: woman that's now accusing him of these things. I also
Speaker 1: know that there may and you can correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, if you know better, but maybe there was
Speaker 1: an attempt to settle or there was some talk or
Speaker 1: some conversation about settling with her for ten million dollars.
Speaker 1: Now it's a fifty million dollar lawsuit. So that kind
Speaker 1: of throws a wrench in how things look. And most recently,
Speaker 1: you know, there was a story about Shannon refusing to
Speaker 1: watch a video that has him in it as and
Speaker 1: it's being used as a piece of evidence from sort
Speaker 1: of the people that are suing Shannon. So Shannon was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to watch that video, right, I don't
Speaker 1: need to see that video. So this is about more
Speaker 1: or less what we know about the story. So I
Speaker 1: guess your thoughts, your first Q.
Speaker 2: This is a very interesting story because once accused of
Speaker 2: something like this, there is no actual right move. There's
Speaker 2: a bunch of wrong ones, but there's no actual right one.
Speaker 2: You are forever accused of rape or sexual assault. And
Speaker 2: you and I have noticed this pattern of very very
Speaker 2: very loud accusations, and then when there is an acquittal
Speaker 2: or an outright discovery that there was a lie from
Speaker 2: the beginning, a very very quiet acknowledgment of that lie,
Speaker 2: and the Jane Doe gets to slide back into anonymity,
Speaker 2: and the accused celebrity gets to be an.
Speaker 1: Accused whatever forever, forever.
Speaker 2: It is the most unfair thing ever, and it puts
Speaker 2: you in a position where, especially in cases like this
Speaker 2: where Tony Buzby is the attorney, to almost pause before
Speaker 2: believing an accuser, an accuser or a victim. Here, I
Speaker 2: feel bad for Shannon because I think the decisions that
Speaker 2: he's making help people frame him in a negative light,
Speaker 2: even if he's done nothing illegal. I intentionally didn't say
Speaker 2: done nothing wrong, because there's there's several missteps. Right, Stepping
Speaker 2: away from your job without being forced to as a
Speaker 2: mistake because you think you look bad. You look worse
Speaker 2: when you voluntarily quit your job because of the accusations
Speaker 2: right right, and now since you stepped away, we don't
Speaker 2: have to pay you, you know, make them people fire
Speaker 2: you and they owe you some money. Typically you step
Speaker 2: away and okay, good job, thank you. Yeah, we agree
Speaker 2: with Shannon that he should step away right because it
Speaker 2: is negative attention. Also, a nineteen year old OnlyFans model
Speaker 2: when you're pushing sixty is a bad idea, or even
Speaker 2: if you're just fifty.
Speaker 1: But it's illegal.
Speaker 2: Like I said, he didn't do anything illegal, but I
Speaker 2: didn't say he didn't do anything wrong. There's in the
Speaker 2: text that he shared. She's she's making it very clear
Speaker 2: this is a money thing for her, twenty five thousand
Speaker 2: dollars per such and such, and just their normal conversations
Speaker 2: and several several messages about him impregnating her. You know,
Speaker 2: the type of things that should give you some pause
Speaker 2: if you're this very famous, very wealthy man with this
Speaker 2: very young woman. So there's the level of careful that
Speaker 2: I've seen Shannon Sharp to be people know himself throughout
Speaker 2: his whole career. Like he very famously says he won't
Speaker 2: write on elevators alone with women, not because he has
Speaker 2: any desire to do anything wrong, but if someone says
Speaker 2: he did this very very large, big black man on
Speaker 2: an elevator with a woman who could feel threatened, or
Speaker 2: feel intimidated, or or just decide to shake him down.
Speaker 1: What can I do?
Speaker 2: So, I'd rather not put myself in that position. So
Speaker 2: to be a person who I heard famously say that
Speaker 2: on television multiple times, it's strange that he'd find himself
Speaker 2: in a situation like this. As far as him not
Speaker 2: wanting to watch the video, I'm guessing he was there
Speaker 2: when it was filmed and he might know how that
Speaker 2: story played out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't love that headline, but his lawyers watched it,
Speaker 2: and you don't get that from the headline. The headline
Speaker 2: makes it seem like him and his team are running
Speaker 2: away from this. No, the evidence was submitted through discovery.
Speaker 2: His legal team watched the video.
Speaker 1: He's in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in that movie. I don't need to
Speaker 2: see it, so I don't know. There's some presumed guilt
Speaker 2: in the words used in headlines, but that's intentional. I
Speaker 2: feel bad for him, though, because there's no way to
Speaker 2: prove a negative. You're saying I didn't do something. It's
Speaker 2: kind of hard to prove the thing that didn't happen.
Speaker 2: There's no evidence of the thing that didn't happen. All
Speaker 2: he has is what's being presented to things that did happen.
Speaker 2: And I think what he was doing and kind of
Speaker 2: clumbs by releasing those text messages was like, hey, everybody, look,
Speaker 2: this thing was consensual, not I didn't do it right,
Speaker 2: which again, he didn't do anything illegal. But this relationship
Speaker 2: that she's talking about in this tape, this video exists,
Speaker 2: whatever is on it. Even though you're saying there's thirty
Speaker 2: seconds edited to make him look bad, that means there's
Speaker 2: thirty seconds worth of footage that makes you look bad.
Speaker 2: So it's just all these things coming together, and it's tough,
Speaker 2: you know, and once you're under this spotlight and under
Speaker 2: this microscope, it's very, very hard to remove yourself from it.
Speaker 1: Well, So the thing about this is, and I know
Speaker 1: we're supposed to like have an opinion, but it's hard
Speaker 1: to have an opinion because I think you end up
Speaker 1: in a tough spot just as an observer, because you know,
Speaker 1: the culture has moved in such a way that we
Speaker 1: are supposed to be supporting women right and believing victims,
Speaker 1: and believing victims exactly and we should be. And we
Speaker 1: also see that, you know, we need to like support
Speaker 1: black people, black men, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: we're supposed to, you know, celebrate wins like you know,
Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp getting to the level that he's at, and
Speaker 1: we recognize, you know, we especially as black men, we
Speaker 1: recognize that there might be some factors and some forces
Speaker 1: behind the scenes that or you know, pitfalls along the
Speaker 1: way that are particularly that he might be particularly vulnerable to.
Speaker 1: And so I think that what we have to do
Speaker 1: is kind of balance our support for women in general,
Speaker 1: because now that she's kind of stepped into this role,
Speaker 1: it's not let's believe her specifically, it's do we believe
Speaker 1: women when they come forward with their stories, or do
Speaker 1: we believe you know, Shannon Sharp. And you know, based
Speaker 1: on what we know of him, does he seem like
Speaker 1: the sort of person that would do this sort of thing,
Speaker 1: And of course we can't know beyond what he shows us.
Speaker 1: But the truth is that both sides kind of have
Speaker 1: some holes. And you know, her getting the lawyer Tony
Speaker 1: Busby is that's not really the strongest move in my opinion,
Speaker 1: because that's the guy that he kind of is an
Speaker 1: ambulance chaser. He kind of does shake down, you know,
Speaker 1: people for money. He did. He tried to get money
Speaker 1: out of jay Z. Shake down jay Z, Yeah, Shannon
Speaker 1: said in his statement, Yeah exactly, And so that's not
Speaker 1: the strongest look. But then you know, obviously trying to
Speaker 1: give her ten million dollars, that's a lot of money
Speaker 1: to give to somebody to just keep them quiet, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason. And so nothing looks good.
Speaker 2: But I you know, think about it this way, he
Speaker 2: has an upcoming negotiation. If that negotiation might be in
Speaker 2: the world of one hundred million dollars, to give you
Speaker 2: ten million to just go away so that you don't
Speaker 2: prevent me from getting a hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: There, it feels like a small ticket. Okay, So you know,
Speaker 1: there's obviously more to this story, but like always, we'll
Speaker 1: keep watching and see what develops. All right, Right now
Speaker 1: it is time for our segment Better do Better, And
Speaker 1: then this segment we try to encourage people who are
Speaker 1: out there slipping messing up, make us look bad, to
Speaker 1: do better. All right, So you better do better. First up,
Speaker 1: this is from the Black Information Network. Philadelphia Eagles running
Speaker 1: back help me with this nameuon Barkley, I knew I
Speaker 1: got it wrong the first time. Okay. Spent one on
Speaker 1: one time with President Donald Trump ahead of the team
Speaker 1: scheduled Super Bowl celebration at the White House on April
Speaker 1: twenty eighth. Trump was set to host the Eagles at
Speaker 1: the White House after the team super Bowl win against
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs back in February. Barkley and Trump
Speaker 1: were spotted hanging out together on April twenty seventh, just
Speaker 1: a day before the Eagles visit. The two appeared to
Speaker 1: get off Marine one in New Jersey together, chatting as
Speaker 1: they exited the plane. On Monday, Barkley took to social
Speaker 1: media to address the backlash over his appearance with Trump quote, Lol,
Speaker 1: some people are really upset because I played often flew
Speaker 1: to the White House with the President. That's in all caps.
Speaker 1: Maybe I just respect the office. Not a hard concept
Speaker 1: to understand. Just golf with Obama too, not long ago,
Speaker 1: and look forward to finishing my round with Trump. Now
Speaker 1: you get out of my mentions with all this politics
Speaker 1: and have an amazing day, Barkley tweeted with a laughing
Speaker 1: face emoji. So why should this guy do better? I
Speaker 1: think I'll go first. Well, so we obviously are familiar
Speaker 1: with this story. We work closely with the Black Information Network,
Speaker 1: And I think that for a person that it tries
Speaker 1: to smooth this over, tries to equate golfing with Obama
Speaker 1: to golfing with Trump, they are not really heating the
Speaker 1: gravity of the moment. They must be disconnected from politics. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know this guy. I don't know what sport
Speaker 1: he plays. I'm assuming's football or something. I'm a music guy,
Speaker 1: so I know it seems like I'm clueless, but I
Speaker 1: just I know more about music than I do about sports.
Speaker 1: Although I played sports in high school. I played football. Anyway,
Speaker 1: golfing with Donald Trump what it does is it gives
Speaker 1: Donald Trump cover. And at a time when a lot
Speaker 1: of black people, a lot of marginalized people in this country,
Speaker 1: a lot of brown people, a lot of lgbtq I
Speaker 1: A plus people, a lot of people are feeling fearful
Speaker 1: of what their future could look like. If you're from
Speaker 1: one of these communities and you associate with Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: you get to become his cover, his shield. See. I'm
Speaker 1: not racist, I'm not sexist, I'm not anti lgbt Q,
Speaker 1: I A plus, I'm not this because I have my
Speaker 1: friend here. He's a great guy. Look at him, he
Speaker 1: golfs with me. Right, you give him cover. And that
Speaker 1: all the people that are questioning whether or not they
Speaker 1: voted for a person who is racist, whether they or
Speaker 1: not they voted for a person who is is legitimately
Speaker 1: an evil person, they get to see the headline of
Speaker 1: him golfing with a black man and say, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I feel better about myself. Right. But the truth is that,
Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump is we don't even have to
Speaker 1: talk about Donald Trump for people that voted for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: You know, I've said this on another show, and I
Speaker 1: think it bears repeating. Right now, let's think of the
Speaker 1: worst people in our society. Let's think of the Nazis
Speaker 1: and the klu Klux Klan and those type of people.
Speaker 1: Typically we associate them with like kind of the worst
Speaker 1: of our society. Right. The world that they wanted to see,
Speaker 1: the world that they voted for is the world that
Speaker 1: is being shaped by Donald Trump. Okay, and if you
Speaker 1: voted for that world two, then it stands to reason
Speaker 1: that his agenda is aligned with their agenda. Now you
Speaker 1: might say, look, I don't want that part. I don't
Speaker 1: want the racist part. I wanted the good part. I'm
Speaker 1: a fiscal conservative. You could say that, and that's okay,
Speaker 1: all right, but you have to bear some responsibility that
Speaker 1: the world that is being created reflects the interests and
Speaker 1: the motivations of those the worst of our society, and
Speaker 1: the people that are subjected to those forces are the
Speaker 1: marginalized people, the people that have been historically disenfranchised. And
Speaker 1: when this guy, Barkley guy goes and plays golf with
Speaker 1: him again, it provides some cover. And so you know,
Speaker 1: for this guy, we you know, we say you better
Speaker 1: do better. Man, you got anything to add to.
Speaker 2: This disconnected from politics? But I respect the office and
Speaker 2: I just golf with Obama? Like which one is it?
Speaker 2: Like you're you're anti political, you're a political But you're
Speaker 2: justifying this because you respect the office of the president.
Speaker 2: I think you are a little bit more engaged and
Speaker 2: you'd like us to believe. And we've done a way
Speaker 2: as a society with shame. No one's a shamed of
Speaker 2: yourselves anymore. So there's just full justification. Get out of
Speaker 2: my mentions with this politics stuff. You're an adult man
Speaker 2: in America. You cannot be removed from politics. You play
Speaker 2: a professional sport and a league that was once segregated,
Speaker 2: and you're a multi multi millionaire because politics and civil
Speaker 2: rights and people who laid their life on the line
Speaker 2: to get a more progressive society for you to be
Speaker 2: able to do what you do for a living paved
Speaker 2: the way for you. And you spit in their face
Speaker 2: when you stand next to this man and you put
Speaker 2: your arm around him and you make him seem normal
Speaker 2: and kind, decent. He's an awful human and you've aligned
Speaker 2: yourself with him. And yes, people are going to be
Speaker 2: disappointed in you for that, and you should feel ashamed
Speaker 2: of yourself.
Speaker 1: I like that. Well, yeah, so as the segment is
Speaker 1: titled you know you better do better? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? At some point you got to come home
Speaker 1: and we we got long memories, all right,