Speaker 1: M fuck drop bock, drop back. I don't like Dropbox.
Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards, a podcast
Speaker 1: where I don't like Dropbox very much. And also I
Speaker 1: talked about the worst people in all of histories, some
Speaker 1: of whom are the folks who make Dropbox because it
Speaker 1: has stopped working. Used to work fine, used to work great,
Speaker 1: used to be used to just dragon drop ship share it.
Speaker 1: Now it's a giant pain in the ass every time
Speaker 1: we need to use it. Uh So, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Am I saying that people should go out and commit
Speaker 1: crimes against drop Box corporate property? Yes, yes I am.
Speaker 1: I am specifically and legally actionably urging people to do that.
Speaker 1: This has been my favorite intro of yours. Robert, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. That's what we need. Go out and crime
Speaker 1: my children, go out and crime anti Dropbox action. Yeah
Speaker 1: exactly a d A baby, I got that tattoo right
Speaker 1: on my chest. Um. Our guests today is the same
Speaker 1: as our guest in part one, Garrison Davis, who is
Speaker 1: actually our reverse guest, and I am the guest on
Speaker 1: my own podcast learning about the Rise Above movement Ram
Speaker 1: Yeah and now the not Ram the NAM Yeah. The
Speaker 1: remnants of yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah, that was good. That
Speaker 1: was good. You gotta lean into ship like that. Garrison,
Speaker 1: never admit, never admit mistakes. That wasn't a mistake, that
Speaker 1: was That was a pun. Puns are never mistakes except
Speaker 1: when they are. Okay. Um. Anyway, when we when we
Speaker 1: last high, it's Garrison again from the Twitter and podcast
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. When we last left off, four RAM
Speaker 1: members got convicted for their violent actions in Charlttesville, and
Speaker 1: another four got their charges dropped. Um. Chief among them
Speaker 1: was RAM co founder and leader Robert Rundo Um when
Speaker 1: when let when let out of jail in a nineteen
Speaker 1: in June, he decided to flee to Eastern Europe on
Speaker 1: more of those extended vacations. So he so he he
Speaker 1: has said he has to a jail. He's not super
Speaker 1: thrilled about law enforcement. UM, I never like never actually is.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about more about later. But he decides to
Speaker 1: leave the States because he thinks that if he gets
Speaker 1: in the States, we'll just get into more trouble. Um.
Speaker 1: So he goes to Eastern Europe, where he tries to
Speaker 1: build up a media slash clothing brand of athletic lifestyle fascism,
Speaker 1: which that kind of stuff has a lot of established
Speaker 1: roots in that area. Um, in the whole section of
Speaker 1: the world. Um yeah, I mean yeah, Ukraine is huge,
Speaker 1: that ship, Yeah, and all France, um, Russia and all
Speaker 1: of that, all of that stuff has a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of this kind of thing. Um. But this
Speaker 1: isn't the first time he actually would attempt to do
Speaker 1: something like this. Um. Remember in the uh in the
Speaker 1: the pro Publica thing and within when they interviewed the
Speaker 1: remember the remember said that they wanted to stop going
Speaker 1: to rallies as much. Um after that, you know, someone
Speaker 1: after they murdered someone in Charlottesville. Um. So after after that,
Speaker 1: with the right coming under a whole bunch of more
Speaker 1: scrutinty for like kind of the first time, um, because
Speaker 1: again they killed someone in broad daylight. Um, the RAMS
Speaker 1: violent actions got put on a little little bit of
Speaker 1: a pause. Um. And uh so they stopped doing in
Speaker 1: personalities as much and they started instead by focusing on
Speaker 1: building a fashy lifestyle m m a clothing brand here
Speaker 1: in the States, um, in lieu of their white nationalists
Speaker 1: m m AH clubs, including brand inspirations like the Russian
Speaker 1: based White Rex um Thor's Steiner, which is another one
Speaker 1: based in Germany, UM, which we'll get into a little
Speaker 1: little a little bit more in a bit UM And
Speaker 1: yeah there's a there's one in a France too, but
Speaker 1: I forget its name. Um so in uh. In January eighteen,
Speaker 1: Rob Rundo and Ram secretly started the quote the Right
Speaker 1: Brand clothing company. I say I say secretly because at
Speaker 1: the time no one knew was associated with ram UM
Speaker 1: and nothing on their website was tied to RAM except
Speaker 1: all of the models for their clothing products was all
Speaker 1: re member, So people if you were like following the
Speaker 1: anti anti racist action stuff, you could like be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is the same dude posing in these photos for
Speaker 1: this this is they're probably the same people. And eventually
Speaker 1: we found it like they were they were. It was
Speaker 1: the same guys doing like running both UM. The Right
Speaker 1: Brands motto was style Identity Revolt, which is uh, yeah, anyway, UM,
Speaker 1: any any kind of regular Republican or conservative and probably
Speaker 1: even some liberals wouldn't find much of a problem with
Speaker 1: their site or products. UM. It wasn't super explicit about
Speaker 1: what's premacy, as later branding attempts would be but the
Speaker 1: now defunct website is riddled with dog whistles. Um. The
Speaker 1: homepage bills itself as a nationalist apparel company committed to
Speaker 1: bringing you the highest quality goods. Our products are designed
Speaker 1: both for casual active lifestyles, made for our people, by
Speaker 1: our people. So again that's you know, our our people
Speaker 1: quote unquote meaning meaning meaning white people. Um. They their
Speaker 1: websites actually kind of it's kind of it's kind of
Speaker 1: a hoot to to scroll around on because it's very stupid. Um.
Speaker 1: And they they filed that was so precious. Um. The
Speaker 1: the about section of their website reads, quote m the
Speaker 1: Right Brand was founded by a mix of frontline patriots
Speaker 1: from all around America that wanted to take part in
Speaker 1: creating a counterculture to the Marxist and degenerate ideals that
Speaker 1: are constantly being forced upon us from big corporate Hollywood
Speaker 1: and media and liberal campuses. So note note on their
Speaker 1: grammar there. I'm not correcting their grammar from the website.
Speaker 1: I'm just doing one for one. I just want to
Speaker 1: point out that you went full Canada in that a
Speaker 1: boat section going to be even more white than they are. Uh,
Speaker 1: how's that's the only way to take them down. You
Speaker 1: gotta go, you gotta go even wider. You gotta burn salt,
Speaker 1: throw your pepper in the sea. Continuing their about section
Speaker 1: um modeling after successful European patriotic and nationalist movements, we
Speaker 1: created a coalition of apparel and accessories based on these concepts.
Speaker 1: All of the founders are young activists that have been
Speaker 1: at some has. Some have been at some of the
Speaker 1: biggest events in around the country and have personally been
Speaker 1: on the front page for their boldness and stood against
Speaker 1: the waves of the left. At the Right brand clothing.
Speaker 1: We have gone out of gone out of our way
Speaker 1: to reach out to companies and movements in Europe that
Speaker 1: are engaged in the same battles we are. We procured
Speaker 1: a selection of their products and have made them available
Speaker 1: for sale here in the United States. This helps keep
Speaker 1: um slash our guys slash employed and able to sustain
Speaker 1: their struggle against the European Union and other sub subversive forces.
Speaker 1: Um so Slash hour Slash is a white nationalist dog
Speaker 1: missile for being like someone being a Nazi essentially um
Speaker 1: which you know what's that started on four chan, right, Robert, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the slash our things, Yeah yeah, that's that's I mean,
Speaker 1: as far as I know, that's where that started. Okay,
Speaker 1: with internet culture, like who the hell? Like I I
Speaker 1: have at least got popularized. It's got, it's got popularized
Speaker 1: on the chains for sure. Um the Right brand pride
Speaker 1: itself on having a quote ethical supply chain quote. Our
Speaker 1: supply chain is free from forced, unplaid labor, child labor,
Speaker 1: and human trafficking. We are also committed to sourcing only
Speaker 1: from companies and individuals who share slash our values SLASH.
Speaker 1: When we purchase products from Europe, we are supporting families
Speaker 1: and communities that believe in traditional values the American fiscal support.
Speaker 1: Through American fiscal support, we are furthering our mutual shared
Speaker 1: idea EELS to us. Ethnically sourcing materials and services also
Speaker 1: includes us not giving any money to our shared enemies
Speaker 1: or those who do not align with slash our values SLASH.
Speaker 1: So they're not even being that suttle because they're putting
Speaker 1: the slashes in there. Um So, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know what quite their audience was for this, um, I
Speaker 1: mean there the company did not last too long, partially
Speaker 1: because a lot of their members got charges and were
Speaker 1: sent to jail during you know, before their trials. Um.
Speaker 1: But they never got super popular. Um they never their
Speaker 1: clothing company never really took off. Um. The products themselves
Speaker 1: are kind of just pretty basic athletic gear with various
Speaker 1: designs on them. Um. Some are adorned with like Viking
Speaker 1: imagery and runic letters. Other shirts read Alpine Division. Um.
Speaker 1: They had they had an anti communist action shirt with
Speaker 1: crossed rifles. Um what what what? One of their One
Speaker 1: of their popular designs says revolt against the Modern, which
Speaker 1: is a little Julius Evola reference, which I will talk
Speaker 1: more about later. Um. Under a section titled activism, they
Speaker 1: sell fucking Antifa stickers and Modern White Youth stickers, so
Speaker 1: the stickers are a little bit more explicit about what
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Um. The the Modern White Youth stickers
Speaker 1: depicts the dangers of wrath, feminism, homosexuality, third world immigration,
Speaker 1: white guilt, cultural Marxism, communism, drugs, and and and degeneracy
Speaker 1: being forced onto young white people. It's a weird design.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe it, besides just that
Speaker 1: it's like these things are getting like fed into this
Speaker 1: young white person's mouth or whatever. Very silly. Um. And
Speaker 1: honestly white Area in Resistance comic from the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 1: Honestly kind of based wrath, feminism, homosexuality, thirdble, immigration, white
Speaker 1: gilt culturemrxism, communism, drugs, and degeneracy. Not all terrible. Most
Speaker 1: of those are actually pretty fine. I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of generous, so honestly, I would not protest if this
Speaker 1: was getting injected into me. UM. Let's see. Uh, The
Speaker 1: Right Brand school was to both set up an American
Speaker 1: version of White rex in the within the style of
Speaker 1: you know, the m M, a white nationalist UM lifestyle
Speaker 1: brand to help spread their propaganda and recruit young men. UM.
Speaker 1: But also it was to get the guys that ran
Speaker 1: a job because they all kind of got in trouble
Speaker 1: and their tree trimming business kind of fell apart after Charlottesville. UM,
Speaker 1: so they started this to kaid of trying to keep
Speaker 1: themselves employed. So that's pretty funny. UM. The to be fair, UM,
Speaker 1: the Right Brand was kind of semi open about where
Speaker 1: their funds were going. UM. They broke it down into
Speaker 1: four sections on their website. UM. One section red sponsorship,
Speaker 1: We hear the Right Brand believe in healthy, believe heavily
Speaker 1: in athleticism for today's youth as a way to fight
Speaker 1: against the less on spot of degeneracy and drug culture
Speaker 1: that they promote. We need a youth that is strong
Speaker 1: in their mental capabilities to lead our to lead our way.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I'm gonna the
Speaker 1: rest of it. Um. They're they're they're talking about sponsoring
Speaker 1: athletes with gear and clothing UM and look to make
Speaker 1: sure they can pay people's local gym memberships UM and
Speaker 1: trying to get people, you know, involved in boxing, in
Speaker 1: the major jitsu, wrestling, mutai, bodybuilding, and other physical sports. UM.
Speaker 1: Their funds also go to political activism for the few
Speaker 1: groups that promote healthy ideals and the values people reach
Speaker 1: out and help them with our shared goals. This so
Speaker 1: fucking silly to me that these guys are so into
Speaker 1: m M A and so in the movie Mutai, and
Speaker 1: they're also like fundamentally anti like not just anti globalization
Speaker 1: but anti like um because you know, there's reasons to
Speaker 1: be anti globalization, but like anti cultural interchange. They're they're
Speaker 1: like against the idea of cultures mingling and mixing, and
Speaker 1: the entire idea of M A is to take the
Speaker 1: best things from different cultures of martial arts and them together.
Speaker 1: What sport. What does the first word of with of
Speaker 1: mm A stand for uh mixed mixed Yeah yeah so
Speaker 1: yeah so sponsorship, potal actimism. The other thing that the
Speaker 1: right brands um money goes to is legal matters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have a lot of those. From time to time,
Speaker 1: patriots will get singled out for noble actions by fake
Speaker 1: news or legal prosecution. We will make sure these patriots
Speaker 1: are not alone and undefended. Their actions will be appreciated. Um.
Speaker 1: And the last thing their money goes to is to
Speaker 1: expand to further the messages of white nationalist ideal. Sorry
Speaker 1: of nationalist ideals. They did not put white in there.
Speaker 1: Um and healthy values. So when you buy a shirt,
Speaker 1: you're not just buying a piece of fabric, which are
Speaker 1: supporting the fight for all of our freedoms and our
Speaker 1: identities in a new way forward, which is very inspirational
Speaker 1: if you're a Nazi, I guess, um, so like they did,
Speaker 1: they they did, they did kind of lay it out.
Speaker 1: So but most of their funds I assuming, I'm assuming
Speaker 1: we're going to pay to for their gym, for their
Speaker 1: gym memberships. Um, this is what I'm kind of getting
Speaker 1: out of this um and yeah, I was, and I
Speaker 1: was trying to give the round people a job after
Speaker 1: they all kind of got in trouble at the tree
Speaker 1: trimming nous um because people didn't want to hire Nazis
Speaker 1: tree trimming Nazi business. Yeah. Uh. A few months after
Speaker 1: RAMS started their clothing company, some members embarked on a
Speaker 1: European tour to network with similar white nationalist mm A
Speaker 1: lifestyle groups all across Europe. Um, in their own words,
Speaker 1: to bridge the gap between the two nationalist scenes. Because
Speaker 1: RAM really was trying to be the kind of American
Speaker 1: version of these groups that have existed in Europe for
Speaker 1: a while. Um. And I mean, thankfully it never never
Speaker 1: really took foot that much, but I still think it
Speaker 1: probably could or something similar probably could, um yeah, very soon.
Speaker 1: Because there have been other ways in which kind of
Speaker 1: the m m A scene has been a little bit
Speaker 1: sort of infected by far right politics. Like a good
Speaker 1: example would be kind of some of the people who
Speaker 1: go on Joe Rogan show. Obviously, like that's a vector.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if like maybe part of the reason
Speaker 1: why the explicit the fascist stuff like that RAM has
Speaker 1: been doing hasn't gone as far, hasn't infected the scene
Speaker 1: as far as it might have. Is because there's kind
Speaker 1: of like already something of an inoculation in that area
Speaker 1: to it, um, like a milder version has spread, and
Speaker 1: maybe there's not as much appetite for the more extreme
Speaker 1: stuff because people have already bought into some aspects of
Speaker 1: that stuff and they don't necessarily want to. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. It's an interesting question.
Speaker 1: Someone who knows a goddamn thing about m m A
Speaker 1: might might might look in at Yeah, I'm not if
Speaker 1: you couldn't tell from the way I look, if you've
Speaker 1: seen me in videos, I'm not really an m m
Speaker 1: A person. I am more of a run very quickly person. Um.
Speaker 1: So I'm really not the best person to comment on
Speaker 1: mm A stuff because running is generally the best self defense. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Most of what I do is run on run and
Speaker 1: climb tall buildings, um, which I enjoyed doing a lot
Speaker 1: um um. So, Yeah, they were trying to bridge gap
Speaker 1: between the two national scenes. UM. The big event they
Speaker 1: attended and that worked at was the annual Sword and
Speaker 1: Shield Festival in Germany, a mixed martial arts tournament, and
Speaker 1: a far right slash white nationalist conference held on Hitler's birthday. Um.
Speaker 1: The two day Nazi Festival draws in about a thousand
Speaker 1: attendees and it's put on by Germany's National Democratic Party. UM. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you should be able to tell what the National
Speaker 1: Democratic Party is based on their name, um if you
Speaker 1: replace the word democratic with I don't know a different word. Um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the the event itself consists of speeches, metal concerts, and
Speaker 1: a big merch room and a martial arts and a
Speaker 1: martial arts tournament. It is essentially comic con for Nazis.
Speaker 1: That is kind of what I'm getting out of this. Um.
Speaker 1: They have like this giant merch room, they can meet
Speaker 1: like you know, famous, not two people. It's just it's
Speaker 1: just comic con for you know, fascists. Comic for fascists.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, yeah, I bet the bathrooms are just with
Speaker 1: steroid natives. I mean just just just dripping, like you
Speaker 1: wash your hands and you get h on them from
Speaker 1: the sink. Sounds great. The oddly enough I mean, or
Speaker 1: maybe not oddly enough, but the m the mm A
Speaker 1: portion of the event is the largest white nationalist combat
Speaker 1: sports event in the entire world. Um, it's like this
Speaker 1: is actually like a very big deal in these kind
Speaker 1: of these kind of circles. UM. On the same trip, UM,
Speaker 1: the RAM team also stopped in France for the White
Speaker 1: Nationalists of Boxing event to put on by the Nazi
Speaker 1: group genera Generation Identity UM, who is kind of similar
Speaker 1: to like White Rex and like you know, they're the
Speaker 1: clothing brand thing. But also Generation Identity UH inspired the
Speaker 1: U S based group and in the Auropa on more
Speaker 1: of like the race realism type of things. I know.
Speaker 1: Then the Europa has like a different name now and
Speaker 1: it's kind of defunct. UM. So that's probably good. But
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure we haven't seen the
Speaker 1: last of that type of thing. UM. So about a
Speaker 1: week after the Sword and Shield Festival, Rob Rundo and
Speaker 1: Ben Daily and another Red member UH, Robert Smithson. They
Speaker 1: have a lot of Roberts. They've rob Bundo, Robert Bowman,
Speaker 1: Robert It's all these people born in the eighties named Robert.
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of them. UM. Anyway to Roberts
Speaker 1: in a bend headed out to Ukraine to attend Fascist
Speaker 1: r and b they tourist to attend an mm A
Speaker 1: competition at a nightclub in Kiev that puts on events
Speaker 1: for what supremacists. UM. Rob Undo actually competed in this
Speaker 1: one and he lost. UM, so that's good UM. And
Speaker 1: then whilst in Ukraine, they also hung out with Dennis
Speaker 1: Nickitten Um, who is the founder of the neo Nazi
Speaker 1: athletic mm A lifestyle brand White Wrex, which we have
Speaker 1: talked about a little bit UM, which was again one
Speaker 1: of the main inspirations for Ram in the first place.
Speaker 1: Uh Nikotin was one of the first to notice the
Speaker 1: declining popularity of skinhead culture and then try to replace
Speaker 1: it with combining mm A subculture with fall right political ideologies.
Speaker 1: When he founded White Rex back into US an eight
Speaker 1: UM and it's been growing ever since. UM. Around the
Speaker 1: same time Nickatin met with Ram, he also spoke with
Speaker 1: The Guardian in an interview UM. In an interview he
Speaker 1: said this quote, if we kill one immigrant every day,
Speaker 1: that's three hundred six immigrants a year, but tens of
Speaker 1: thousands will come anyway. I realized we're fighting the consequences,
Speaker 1: but it's not the underlying reason. So now we must
Speaker 1: fight for the minds not on the streets, but on
Speaker 1: social media. So he's basically saying, even if we kill
Speaker 1: you know, one immigrant today, still thousands or more gonna come.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a losing battle. We have to
Speaker 1: we have to stop focusing on street stuff and go
Speaker 1: back to social media stuff and try to fight for
Speaker 1: the minds of people. UM. But again, this was kind
Speaker 1: of like the opposite of what RAM was trying to
Speaker 1: do back in UM. But after this European tour, rob
Speaker 1: Rundo seems to take statements like this to art he
Speaker 1: UM with them departing from the heavy street based action
Speaker 1: emphasis that RAM had in twenty seventeen, opting instead for
Speaker 1: more of a focus on propaganda and media than they
Speaker 1: had even before UM. In the next few months, they
Speaker 1: put more work into their YouTube channel and didn't attend
Speaker 1: any street actions. All. This was also, you know, parsonally
Speaker 1: due to RAM coming under increased scrutinty asen marched on
Speaker 1: UM with Republica and Frontline you know, putting together the
Speaker 1: you know, wildly appraised pieces on the group, you know,
Speaker 1: despite you know, the research themselves being based on it.
Speaker 1: UH and Northern California anti racist action and Jacanaan's work.
Speaker 1: Um so yeah whatever, um, let's see. So October members
Speaker 1: get arrested. So um then eight eight initially got arrested.
Speaker 1: Of four, it's going to get four is gonna get
Speaker 1: let off later um so. But after in the wake
Speaker 1: of these arrests, they started selling free the four stickers.
Speaker 1: After only four people are arrested. Um and then the
Speaker 1: next after the next week for for more people got arrested.
Speaker 1: So then the website was completely it was completely shut
Speaker 1: down because they know what to run it because it's
Speaker 1: like it was just those guys like like running the
Speaker 1: website and like mannually putting packages in the mail. Um.
Speaker 1: After so they got completely shut down. UM so good yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks thanks comrade FBI for doing that six days too late, um,
Speaker 1: which which leads us back to June of of of
Speaker 1: twenty nine with the Rundo's charges being dropped and him
Speaker 1: getting out of jail, and almost immediately the ram gap
Speaker 1: account went active again with with posts such as never
Speaker 1: take a plea deal, always fight for the truth, and
Speaker 1: they can lock us up, they can lie about us,
Speaker 1: but they can't stop an idea whose time has come.
Speaker 1: So that's good that he got to post on GAB again.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he really was missing out, um uh run
Speaker 1: on gab. Rundo also claimed that the FBI seized all
Speaker 1: of like the sold Ram merchandise that they weren't able
Speaker 1: to ship out. So maybe that's true, and the FBI
Speaker 1: just has RAM stuff in a warehouse somewhere, which I
Speaker 1: think is kind of funny. Um. But to Roy's money,
Speaker 1: Rundo teamed up with a different fire Right clothing company
Speaker 1: to sell Ram shirts and merch before eventually trying to
Speaker 1: start his own clothing company again because he seems really
Speaker 1: set on this idea of you know, trying to sell
Speaker 1: these clothes and uh and products. Speaking of products, do
Speaker 1: you know where you can buy not not see merchandise, Robert, Oh,
Speaker 1: very nice, Garrison. I mean you might be able to
Speaker 1: buy Nazi merchandise from our ads because Black Rifle coffee
Speaker 1: has been in them a couple of times. But as
Speaker 1: a general rule, and we're the only podcast that can
Speaker 1: promise that, as a general rule, none of our sponsors
Speaker 1: your nazis. Here's the ads. Hi, We're back talking about
Speaker 1: Rob Rundo and him trying to flee to other countries
Speaker 1: again again again he loves fleeing to other countries. He
Speaker 1: has he has whole YouTube videos on that are just
Speaker 1: autorials for how to flee to other countries. Is great?
Speaker 1: That that is. I mean, you know, do what you know, right, like,
Speaker 1: do do what you love and the money will come.
Speaker 1: I watched so many hours of his YouTube channel and
Speaker 1: it wasn't good. But man, if I ever, if I
Speaker 1: ever need to flee to Ukraine, I know how now
Speaker 1: it's I've been given the tools and the information that
Speaker 1: I can successfully flee flee to Ukraine. That the thing is, Robert,
Speaker 1: you have to Yeah, you have to fly out of
Speaker 1: South America. That's the problem because if you try, if
Speaker 1: you try to fly out of Mexico, because like I'm
Speaker 1: assuming my travel flight is going to be blocked from
Speaker 1: the States. Yeah, no, yeah, I mean really, like what
Speaker 1: I'm guessing you want to do is you want across
Speaker 1: the border on foot into Mexico because they never check
Speaker 1: your passport. You want to have a bunch of cash
Speaker 1: and pasos on you. You want to travel through Mexico
Speaker 1: on foot or in vehicles. And then you want across
Speaker 1: the border from Mexico into Guatemala or wherever on foot,
Speaker 1: and then fly out from somewhere in central America. It's
Speaker 1: not Mexico. Yeah. The thing, the thing that got Rundo
Speaker 1: in trouble said he kept trying to fly out from
Speaker 1: Mexico itself. And the problem is when the planes were flying,
Speaker 1: they crossed over Florida, which is technically American airspace. So
Speaker 1: that flagged Rundo because he can't cross American airspace. So
Speaker 1: what you what you guys need to do is go
Speaker 1: way south and then fly and and then fly to
Speaker 1: like central Europe. Don't go to London. You have to fly,
Speaker 1: you have to. You have kind of kind of stay
Speaker 1: in the middle, and this way you'll be able to
Speaker 1: fly to Ukraine, uh, Serbia, wherever. Um. But you have
Speaker 1: you have to get very south, as south as south
Speaker 1: as south as you can walk. Essentially. Um, it's really
Speaker 1: the only way to get to to get there. Um.
Speaker 1: Anyway back to the podcast, I guess, um for the
Speaker 1: rest of after Rundo got out of prison, or I
Speaker 1: guess technically jail not prison. Um. Uh he tried to
Speaker 1: fly under the radar, um, so uh, yeah he was.
Speaker 1: He was kind of laying it low for most of
Speaker 1: after you got out of jail. Um. So before I
Speaker 1: get to I like to go into a little bit
Speaker 1: about Rundo's backstory. Um Robert Paul Rundo born April of
Speaker 1: nineteen Uh. Um, he he was, he was, he was
Speaker 1: born in Queens, New York. Um. His his first real
Speaker 1: political belief as a kid was just a dislike of cops.
Speaker 1: Um and and old boy hate police and law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Um because he can. He's he's one of those Nazis
Speaker 1: that sees the police as like an obstacle to begin
Speaker 1: to being able to hurt and kill leftists and non
Speaker 1: white people. Um. And he you know, he sees them
Speaker 1: as a force that just oppresses the right and protects
Speaker 1: the elite and protects the princess, princess princess them, princess
Speaker 1: prince since princess. Um. So he he sees polices like,
Speaker 1: you know, just someone protecting rich people in Jewish people. Um.
Speaker 1: So you know, like some some something he'll talk about
Speaker 1: or something you know we'll see in videos is like
Speaker 1: him doing like a C. A B graffiti and stuff.
Speaker 1: So like like a few days ago I saw like
Speaker 1: um andy No posting about a C. A B graffiti
Speaker 1: was like in the Semitic stuff He's like, oh, look
Speaker 1: at the anti Semitic leftists and like, no, that's Nazi graffiti.
Speaker 1: Because notes are also also hate cops. Just because you
Speaker 1: hate the cops doesn't mean you are all so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah um O. J. Simpson not a fan of the cops.
Speaker 1: Ted Kaczynski not not cops. And then to some degree
Speaker 1: the Proud Boys now I mean a little bit increasingly
Speaker 1: not fans of the cops. There there is a split
Speaker 1: going on. As we're reading this, it's becoming increasingly clear
Speaker 1: that Enrique Tario, ahead of the Proud Boys, was arrested
Speaker 1: today flying into two d c. See what he should
Speaker 1: have done is he should have gone to South America.
Speaker 1: He should have then flow and then flowed into the
Speaker 1: ocean and then taken them both to the coast. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: can home. But like when I was like deep into
Speaker 1: Proud Blay groups this summer, for like online chats, um,
Speaker 1: whether police or an alley or obstacle an oppressor of
Speaker 1: the right was one of the most like debated topics um,
Speaker 1: but by far the most debated topic on these Proud
Speaker 1: Boy chats were discoursed aroun Jewish people. Um. Because again,
Speaker 1: the Proud Boys are just a fashionst group. Um So, yeah,
Speaker 1: Rundo's initial reason to uh that, he says that got
Speaker 1: him to start to hit the cops before he was
Speaker 1: a Nazi. It's a really interesting story and like very relatable.
Speaker 1: Um So, Rundo was the young was a was a
Speaker 1: young teenager in New York. Um out one night putting
Speaker 1: up some shoe polish graffiti with some friends of his.
Speaker 1: Not not racist graffiti, just like regular you know, kid graffiti. Um.
Speaker 1: The uh So, they were like tagging like a bus
Speaker 1: stop or something, and police pulled up. Um the group
Speaker 1: of teens had to all lay down on the sidewalk. Um.
Speaker 1: An officer went up to Rundo and basically said, hey, kid,
Speaker 1: just tell us what you all tagged, and we'll just
Speaker 1: write you a ticket and you can and you can
Speaker 1: go on home, no big deal. Um So, Rundo told
Speaker 1: the officer what he did, and then the officer put
Speaker 1: Rundo in a coup car and Rundo spent six months
Speaker 1: in juvenal attention because they always by the cops. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Um so, this interaction understandably got Rundo to just develop
Speaker 1: a very strong dislike of police. Um and yeah, this
Speaker 1: never happened Rundo may not have actually become a Nazi
Speaker 1: because this, Um, I mean, well, we'll talk later about
Speaker 1: how how the prison system can turn has a way
Speaker 1: of turning young kids into Nazis. Um yeah, so real,
Speaker 1: real stupid, I mean, and like Rundo like looks back
Speaker 1: at this moment and like like last about it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was a stupid kid. I believe the cops. Um,
Speaker 1: you should never believe the cops. Should mean every now
Speaker 1: and again, you know, Um yeah, I mean, for example,
Speaker 1: they're right about coats. They weren't bad at coats they have.
Speaker 1: They have good built coats. They have good coats okay,
Speaker 1: you know, and pretty solid assault rifles and good anti
Speaker 1: aircraft weapons like that. They weren't bad at everything, is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So after after Rundo defending the Nazis,
Speaker 1: I don't know why I got onto this stray. Are
Speaker 1: you gonna like wave your mouser on on web on
Speaker 1: the WEBCA, this is a pre Nazi gun. But I
Speaker 1: don't want to get an STG forty four um, which
Speaker 1: is is a wonderful firearm um and was produced by
Speaker 1: slave labor, But the money's not going back to CRUP anymore.
Speaker 1: So it's ethically fine. I think it's actually it's ethnically ambiguous. Ambiguous.
Speaker 1: There we go, everything's good ambiguity. Um. After Rundo got
Speaker 1: out of Juvie, he got involved with the original Flashing Crew,
Speaker 1: which was like a multicultural neighborhood gang and Queens who
Speaker 1: got into fights with MS thirteen. Um and who has
Speaker 1: a nine. When Rundo was about eighteen, MS thirteen shot
Speaker 1: one of his best friends and then in response, Rundo
Speaker 1: stabbed a member of MS thirteen that that he ambushed. UM.
Speaker 1: Runda got charged with gang assault and I was sent
Speaker 1: to prison and was sent to state prison for like
Speaker 1: twenty months. UM. It was in this stint in prison
Speaker 1: that Rundo became a Nazi. So he he went into
Speaker 1: prison just you know, he was part of a neighborhood
Speaker 1: gang in Queens because Smister teen were problems, so he
Speaker 1: was in like a he was in like an opposting gang.
Speaker 1: But got sent sent to prison for stabbing m amister
Speaker 1: teen guy and then went to prison and he came
Speaker 1: out of prisoner Nazi A post post release, he moved
Speaker 1: to southern California and again a few years later he
Speaker 1: would start d Y Division later renamed ram Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like he got out of prison and like twenty
Speaker 1: ten no in and then in sixteen is when he inventioned,
Speaker 1: is when he started um D d I Y Division,
Speaker 1: but he became involved with camera skins and stuff in
Speaker 1: between there. Um So yeah, again showing how the prison
Speaker 1: system kind of has a way of perpetuating these problems
Speaker 1: and is probably not great and yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: and it always has, right like when Adolf Hitler when
Speaker 1: he tried to overthrow the legally elected government of Germany
Speaker 1: was was sent to prison for like a year in
Speaker 1: the prison that was kind of more like a resort
Speaker 1: where he got to be there with all of his
Speaker 1: friends and he had his room and board taken care
Speaker 1: of and he got to spend the whole year focusing
Speaker 1: on his ideas. And he wrote mind Camp during his
Speaker 1: time in prison. That's what it came out of prison
Speaker 1: is traditionally not necessarily the worst thing in the world
Speaker 1: for fucking Nazis. Um. We had also talked about ISIS
Speaker 1: and how it came together in Camp Buca, Iraq with
Speaker 1: the US detention facility. Like there's a prison's bad as
Speaker 1: a rule, you know, every now and then you run
Speaker 1: into someone who's like, yeah, that person probably needs to
Speaker 1: be kept away from the rest of the human race,
Speaker 1: like Paul Manafort. But our prison system tends to do
Speaker 1: more harm than good, even when people we can all
Speaker 1: agree are bad get put in it. It's a bad system. Yeah. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Um back back to more recent times. Um, Like I mentioned,
Speaker 1: Rundo laid low from moste after his rioting charges were dropped,
Speaker 1: but ruled around, he started to get more active. Most
Speaker 1: of his time this year, Um, he's spent in Eastern Europe,
Speaker 1: hopping around too different countries. Um he he. He says
Speaker 1: he's left the US due to quote NonStop harassment from
Speaker 1: American law enforcement. It's just sound's really funny. Um Uh.
Speaker 1: Rundo has also just kind of given up on the US.
Speaker 1: He's like, he's he's he has urged a lot of
Speaker 1: his fans to try to leave the country and joined
Speaker 1: the Nationals cause elsewhere. Um. I would quote from a
Speaker 1: really good article in The New York Review about about Rundo. Quote.
Speaker 1: Whereas ram once hosted banners that rallies declaring defend America,
Speaker 1: Rundo now believes, as he told the podcast interviewer um
Speaker 1: in a podcast he was on that the country is
Speaker 1: quote collapsing. He has urged his fellow right wing dissidents
Speaker 1: to fly uh to fleet the United States and if possible,
Speaker 1: obtain foreign passports to avoid travel restrictions like the no
Speaker 1: fly list. So again, this is part of his videos
Speaker 1: where he tells people how to you know, avoid no
Speaker 1: fly lists and how to flee to other countries and
Speaker 1: stuff of um. Very very fun YouTube channel that really
Speaker 1: should not exist at all, and he has like you know,
Speaker 1: naz the imagery and all of his videos. I don't
Speaker 1: know why YouTube still lets him on. There may because
Speaker 1: YouTube doesn't have a problem with Nazis. So um. Since
Speaker 1: this time, Rundos also dropped all pretexts of not really
Speaker 1: being a Nazi. He doesn't use like gard whistles anymore. UM,
Speaker 1: he just do you know, is full is full? It
Speaker 1: is full? It's full on um in in Europe, He's
Speaker 1: gotten an eight tattooed on each shoulder, making um, you
Speaker 1: know in eight eight high Hitler reference UM. On his
Speaker 1: On his abdomen, he has a dagger embolsoned with the
Speaker 1: phrase men no freego or I don't care, the motto
Speaker 1: of the Italian Black Shirts. And on top of it,
Speaker 1: he has a huge son and red on his right elbow.
Speaker 1: So really really really going all out there. Um yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: Rundo's first notable public appearance was in February in Budapest,
Speaker 1: where he was seen and posted a video attending a
Speaker 1: neo fascist rally commemorate wartime Hungarian volunteers in the Germany's
Speaker 1: um s S Division. UH. This this appearance not only
Speaker 1: attract attention from journalists and he fascists, but also federal
Speaker 1: prosecutors UM, and in March, a motion was filed to
Speaker 1: appeal his charges. UM. Just two weeks after his appearance
Speaker 1: in Budapest at the Nazi rally, he was in Slofa
Speaker 1: Bulgaria um Sofia Bulgaria for an annual massive neo Nazi march.
Speaker 1: It's been going on since two US and three, and
Speaker 1: for the first time they not scalling. The Nazia. Gathering
Speaker 1: was actually banned by local authorities. Just days after a
Speaker 1: fashiont a fascist attack in Germany killed a nine people.
Speaker 1: Um So, there was this fascist attack in Germany killed
Speaker 1: nine people, and then uh, Bulgarian authority has kind of
Speaker 1: tried tried to cancel this neo Nazi uh massive rally. Um,
Speaker 1: here's a horrible haircut, yeah, Londo yeah yeah, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not great. Um. I mean i'll talk, I'll bring
Speaker 1: this up a little bit later. I'll be talking about
Speaker 1: his personal aesthetic. Um. Yeah. So this s big Nazi
Speaker 1: rally got canceled, well unquote canceled by the authorities. Um,
Speaker 1: but people still showed up. There was a small commemoration
Speaker 1: to a Nazi collaborating general taking place during the day,
Speaker 1: and later a nightly uh like a nightly torch burning
Speaker 1: march was heavily surveilled by local police. Nothing really happened, um.
Speaker 1: But at the time Rundo had an alibi of sorts.
Speaker 1: He just started a new propaganda project called Media to
Speaker 1: Rise Nationalist Entertainment UM. Rundo describes it as a right
Speaker 1: wing alternative to something like Vice. UM. Quoting Rundo here
Speaker 1: quote another way, another way of creating a counterculture to
Speaker 1: the left is by covering everything from demonstrations, concerts and
Speaker 1: creating our own entertainment within the nationalist lifestyle way. So
Speaker 1: he he, he repeatedly says he wants to create a
Speaker 1: right wing alternative device, which is a funny phrase to
Speaker 1: say in the first place, considering how prices and starting advice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the founder of ICE found one of the founders
Speaker 1: of ICE founded the Proud Boys. Yeah. Not that Vice
Speaker 1: is a right wing outlet because I wouldn't call that fair,
Speaker 1: but yeah, very still very funny. Um um yeah so yeah.
Speaker 1: So far they put out just two actual episodes, averaging
Speaker 1: like an eight minutes each. But on his YouTube channel
Speaker 1: he has like dozens of other vlog style videos giving
Speaker 1: different tips on how to travel if you're a terrorist, um,
Speaker 1: propaganda tips, how to particularly your own gang, how to
Speaker 1: interact with police, how to stay motivated with the Left
Speaker 1: always winning, which wall as a as a video topic
Speaker 1: he has is how to stay motivated with the Left
Speaker 1: always winning? As I find funny because usually I don't
Speaker 1: think if the left is always winning? Um really not
Speaker 1: ever really ever videos with like fighting tips, work over routines,
Speaker 1: and how to do graffiti and banner drops. Also, he
Speaker 1: seems very triggered when people tell him that banner drops
Speaker 1: her silly and graffiti is not good activism. He gets
Speaker 1: very triggered and makes lots of videos defend the banner drops,
Speaker 1: which is like whatever, sure, um, but I like. I
Speaker 1: like how upset he gets when people call his activism
Speaker 1: stupid um, which is just always fun to watch them
Speaker 1: get upset. UM. While while in Europe, Rundo has been
Speaker 1: traveling around a lot, but he seems to be mainly
Speaker 1: setting up base in Serbia. UM. Having learned a little
Speaker 1: from his poor opset in the past or poor online
Speaker 1: opset in the past. Um. All of these vlog videos
Speaker 1: has Rundow in front of locations that he thinks looks
Speaker 1: a bit very cool, which makes them relatively identifiable. UM.
Speaker 1: The online investigation website spelling Cat has tracked Rundo throw
Speaker 1: to all of uh. Rundo was first spotted in Serbia
Speaker 1: in March in a in a video titled Thoughts and
Speaker 1: Tea with Robert Rundo. Just nice Jesus sorry, I think
Speaker 1: it's very funny. Don't fuckers take the beach now? They
Speaker 1: want to take tea times. They want to take tea time,
Speaker 1: and this has always been a little fashi. Okay, we
Speaker 1: we can. We can look at the history of the
Speaker 1: British Empire and acknowledge that, I mean, fair enough, but
Speaker 1: I don't like it, Robert, and they're trying to take
Speaker 1: your name your your beautiful first name. So many Roberts
Speaker 1: in in RAM. It shouldn't be renamed the Robert above
Speaker 1: or whatever. Okay, like you I I saw the point
Speaker 1: in what you were going there. So this the setting
Speaker 1: of this t video was quickly tracked to being a
Speaker 1: cafe in Belgrade, Serbia. In a another video posted in July,
Speaker 1: Undo was at an event with with with many members
Speaker 1: of the Serbian nationalist group the Hero Foundation UM. The
Speaker 1: video also features a free a free RAM banner referencing
Speaker 1: the RAM members that are still locked up. Also in July,
Speaker 1: Rendall could be seen on Serbia on on Serbian TV
Speaker 1: at a fascist event in which he calls himself like
Speaker 1: um Roman. But he has like interviewed by an anchor
Speaker 1: at this like fascist on Serbian live TV. So that's great,
Speaker 1: it's funny. UM. The next month, Runda posted a whole
Speaker 1: whole free RAM themed video UM with with video composed
Speaker 1: of with the footage composed of different fascist groups all
Speaker 1: around the world putting up free RAM graffitian banners. UM.
Speaker 1: Now this video actually has been taken down from YouTube,
Speaker 1: So great job YouTube for doing literally the bare minimum
Speaker 1: but still leaving his channel up and all those other
Speaker 1: videos on how to fly with your terrorist up. But whatever,
Speaker 1: that's good information. Everybody needs to know how to escape
Speaker 1: criminal charges against you by fleeing the country. Yeah. Um yeah.
Speaker 1: The footage from countries, uh all, so there's countries from
Speaker 1: make no different fascist groups all around the world. Um.
Speaker 1: Countries included are Ukraine Shocker, Serbia Shocker, Greece Shocker, Germany Shocker,
Speaker 1: Poland Shocker, Italy shocker, um, Scotland, Russia, Canada, Canada inside
Speaker 1: the province of Alberta because of course that's like the
Speaker 1: one place the Texas of Canada. Yeah yeah, Um, that's
Speaker 1: where I'm gonna be fleeing is the mountains of Alberta.
Speaker 1: That's my plan. That's also where one of my favorite musicians,
Speaker 1: Core Blund comes from. He's the guy who does that
Speaker 1: getting down on the Mountain song that we play we
Speaker 1: go up to go Shoot on the Mountain Gars. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a fun song. Um. And then in the States,
Speaker 1: we have you know, footage from the states of Indiana, Washington, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Florida,
Speaker 1: and California. In US in San Diego and Huntington's Beach,
Speaker 1: so a lot of so get like a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of groups putting up free ram stuff for
Speaker 1: this like video collaboration. Um. Anyway, in in August, someone
Speaker 1: um shadow boxing and covered up in a T shirt
Speaker 1: wrapped like a ninjamask with all of the with all
Speaker 1: of Roberts Rondo's tattoos can be seen in a Serbian
Speaker 1: Nationalist rap music video, which is weird sentence but like
Speaker 1: so like they have footage of Rundo shadow boxing in
Speaker 1: a mask. It's like it's like a T shirt, but
Speaker 1: the T shirt is a Rise Above Movement T shirt
Speaker 1: because you can see the word above on the side,
Speaker 1: So like he just used one of his own T
Speaker 1: shirts he sells as this mask and you can see
Speaker 1: him like shadow boxing in the background, which is kind
Speaker 1: of funny, incredibly stealthy. Yeah. Um, so Runda got a
Speaker 1: little bit upset that Belling cat Keept kept identifying where
Speaker 1: he was. Um So with everyone kind of knowing that
Speaker 1: Belling that that that Rundo is, um is you know,
Speaker 1: yeah he's tracked and yeah he's constantly being geolocated to Serbia.
Speaker 1: Um and then uh So, eventually Rundo started out just
Speaker 1: actually being open about where he was and started like
Speaker 1: you know, making fun of Belling Cat for being able
Speaker 1: to like like like referencing Balling Cat for being able
Speaker 1: to track where he was, but he eventually started being
Speaker 1: like saying, yeah, I am in Serbia. Um uh yeah.
Speaker 1: So in September, in a podcast appearance, he actually said
Speaker 1: that he had left Serbia. Now, so he's saying, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was in Serbia. Belling Cat tracked me. They're they're
Speaker 1: they're stupid. I hate bell and get whatever. But now
Speaker 1: I have left Serbia. Um. Except in the video he
Speaker 1: posted on October one, sitting on a lake instead lake
Speaker 1: got geo located by Belling Cats to lake uh per
Speaker 1: Us in Serbia. So's if people who are good at
Speaker 1: geo locating want to know where you are, and you
Speaker 1: post any pictures outside in a decent number of different
Speaker 1: pictures you could post inside, they will find you. I
Speaker 1: I did this later on, which we'll we'll talk about
Speaker 1: at the end of the episode. Um, because I know
Speaker 1: where he is now. Um yeah yeah, So very fun
Speaker 1: he got after he said he left Serbia, he got
Speaker 1: tracked to being in Serbia again like the next month.
Speaker 1: Um in October twenty. On October, Rundo posted a photo
Speaker 1: on his Telegram channel of an anti Antifa, anti BLM,
Speaker 1: anti drug sticker that he had presumably put up on
Speaker 1: a bus stop. UM. A journalistipe a journal side belling
Speaker 1: Cat recognized some of the background in the photo. Actually
Speaker 1: wants to confirm the spot in person the next day,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was the same spot in the middle
Speaker 1: of downtown Belgrade in Yeah. So with enough online digging,
Speaker 1: social media uh and on social media stocking, people at
Speaker 1: Bellingcat were able to learn a bit more about the
Speaker 1: video production of of Rundo's Media to Rise project and
Speaker 1: find a few of the locations and other videos. UM.
Speaker 1: I'll quote from a from a Bellycat article from November. UM.
Speaker 1: On October, Luke, oh boy, this is a rough last name.
Speaker 1: Lu Luca karadzu Zisky. You know, yeah, the footsteps of
Speaker 1: Robert Evans anyway, Um October this Luca guy Um, a
Speaker 1: nineteen year old Belgrade videographer, photographer and web designer, posted
Speaker 1: a public Instagram story UM showing Rabbit Rundo being interviewed
Speaker 1: by an unknown TV crew. UM. This guy lists w
Speaker 1: W two are the official short name of Rundo's company.
Speaker 1: Was just like a will to rise um. He he
Speaker 1: posted that as a client on this On his personal
Speaker 1: website UM and he listed the and he was listed
Speaker 1: as the creator of a few of these videos that
Speaker 1: Rundo was posting. UM a quote from this guy he
Speaker 1: after he got interviewed by Belling Cat via email, UM
Speaker 1: Rob Rondo reach out to me looking for looking for
Speaker 1: someone to hire who can do good enough videos and photos. Um.
Speaker 1: He added that quote. I'm not much into political things.
Speaker 1: I was just hired by Rundo to record a few
Speaker 1: behind the scenes videos. UM. In the background of the
Speaker 1: Instagram story near the end, the words Smurfa Kappa, uh God,
Speaker 1: smurfit Kappa whatever can be the key garrison. We don't
Speaker 1: know how to pronounce something is just to barrel on
Speaker 1: ahead with confidence and assume that you can retroactively make
Speaker 1: it right. I've changed the pronunciations of dozens of words
Speaker 1: for everyone in the world. Now, that's probably true to
Speaker 1: some degree. You have to you you just have to
Speaker 1: be confident and know that you're right, no matter what
Speaker 1: the truth is. Yeah, it doesn't matter that her name
Speaker 1: is Ariana Grande. She'll be Arianna Granda Robert exactly. That's
Speaker 1: why everyone calls Ariana grand now because of confidence. What's
Speaker 1: what's the what's the fake? Beyonce from the from the
Speaker 1: UM Christmas episode. UM. Anyway, this smurfit Kappa UM is
Speaker 1: a European paper manufacturer whose factory is in um UH
Speaker 1: Belgrade and so then this was thanks to this about
Speaker 1: Milly Hat was able to delocate the exact location of
Speaker 1: the video to a nearby site along the river that
Speaker 1: goes through UH, that goes through Belgrad Uh. They visited
Speaker 1: the site in person, confirming this was not only the
Speaker 1: indeed the side of the h indeed the side of
Speaker 1: the video, but the location also had free RAM graffiti
Speaker 1: beside it and featured RAM social media events we advertised UM.
Speaker 1: And so, after after repeatedly being shown to be in Serbia,
Speaker 1: particular particularly Belgrad UM, on November eight, Rundo posted a
Speaker 1: video to his telegram. But he opens by saying, so
Speaker 1: we're here in Belgrade, you know, cleaning up the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: doing some beautiful artwork for the locals as he surrounded
Speaker 1: as he's surrounded by fascist graffiti. UM that he does
Speaker 1: just a tour of the area. So yeah, UM, But
Speaker 1: Rob Rundo is looking for more than more than an
Speaker 1: extended vacation. It's quite likely he's trying to look for
Speaker 1: legal residency here in Serbia because, per public records, Rundo
Speaker 1: incorporated in LLC and Serbia back in July with the
Speaker 1: name will to Rise, the same name as his new
Speaker 1: athletic fascist clothing company, fucking Christ Gave. Doesn't he know
Speaker 1: that his hair cut is like not cute and that
Speaker 1: he should just stop and try to be a Serbia
Speaker 1: I can give you one of his phone numbers and
Speaker 1: you can send him a message if you want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we could. We could call him on the show and
Speaker 1: is not cute and not like I don't want you
Speaker 1: also are used to the leg day. I've noticed your
Speaker 1: legs are not your legs. Man. He might leap right
Speaker 1: through that phone and go after you. Garrison for all
Speaker 1: the police lines. Uh yeah. So via via via public records,
Speaker 1: people were able to find two addresses for Rondo in Serbia.
Speaker 1: Quoting belling Cat again, um um, quoting belling Cat again.
Speaker 1: But Rundo's incorporation of a company in Serbia may not
Speaker 1: simply be for business purposes. In Serbia, a foreigner who
Speaker 1: incorporates a company can apply for temporary residency for up
Speaker 1: to a year at a time, and can then renew
Speaker 1: this residency with a new application every year. In short,
Speaker 1: this would allow Undo to build a semi permanent legal
Speaker 1: based in a European country without having to worry about
Speaker 1: visa free regulations that limit American citizens to spending no
Speaker 1: more than ninety days UH in Serbia within a half
Speaker 1: a year period. So he's basically trying to move to
Speaker 1: Serbia permanently um and maybe trying to get out of
Speaker 1: legal prosecution in the States if his chargers get appealed.
Speaker 1: This is a little bit unclear because Serbia's extradition policy
Speaker 1: is like brand new and it's never been used before,
Speaker 1: so we don't we know the details of his would
Speaker 1: not advertise his clothing line on our show, We're not,
Speaker 1: but do you know what we will advertise Sophie Black
Speaker 1: Rifle Coffee, maybe Black Riple Coffee, and all of the
Speaker 1: other fine sponsors of the podcast, including accidental and intentional sponsors.
Speaker 1: Perhaps we Work. Maybe that was funny. I mean, I
Speaker 1: enjoy I I'm okay with the wee Work ads because
Speaker 1: they're trash, but they're also doomed thanks to the virus,
Speaker 1: So we're just taking some of their last money before
Speaker 1: they snack, So you work, or you're fucking water infused
Speaker 1: with fruit that you give people. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: providing that anymore. Yeah, probably not. Probably. My My favorite
Speaker 1: ad was when you talked about Michael Bloomberg on the
Speaker 1: show and then like immediately after bad played, which was
Speaker 1: was perfect. We gladly took his money. To be honest,
Speaker 1: I bought some ship he would have hated with his money. Well,
Speaker 1: here's here's some more ads, hopefully from Michael Bloomberg. He's
Speaker 1: running stef he's still running presidential ads. Now, it should
Speaker 1: be great. You would anyway, Yeah, what what? What? A
Speaker 1: thrilling ad from Mr from Mr Bloomberg, airing in January
Speaker 1: or January or February, dropped a lot more f bombs
Speaker 1: than I expected. I just enjoyed Garrison like stuttering through
Speaker 1: saying oh Mike, but like with authority. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I was channeling my Michael Bloomberg and my Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Really good. Yeah, they all just got younger, and Garrison
Speaker 1: visibly aged by years. That's well, that's probably good. I
Speaker 1: can hide and alberta easier now if I look less
Speaker 1: like a twink, it'll be easier to blend in all right,
Speaker 1: um anyway, anyway, Um, as I mentioned Will to Rise,
Speaker 1: Rundo's new lifestyle brand of fascism, it's it's just the
Speaker 1: right brand clothing company all over again, but even more
Speaker 1: openly fashy. They had the same like ethical supply chain
Speaker 1: line for this time with this description, um I Will
Speaker 1: to Rise. We make all of our We make sure
Speaker 1: all of our products and designs are created by those
Speaker 1: who share our values and identities. All products are made
Speaker 1: in Eastern Europe, so not a single hand touches the
Speaker 1: production line that is not like my own. In doing this,
Speaker 1: we keep our people employed and keep all funds within
Speaker 1: our ranks, something not many other brands can claim. So good,
Speaker 1: it's like not aesthetically cute and just as like just
Speaker 1: like the font is like too big for there are
Speaker 1: looking at the World to Rise website. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: like not. I would not wear it. My favorite thing
Speaker 1: about the World to Rise website is that I don't
Speaker 1: know what problem it has, but it takes like ten
Speaker 1: seconds to load every time I change. It's very slow.
Speaker 1: It's not great, it's very slow. It's very it's very
Speaker 1: very very I'm gonna text you a picture of my
Speaker 1: last favorite shirt for you to observe. I'll talk about
Speaker 1: some shirts here. Yeah, I'll talk about some shirts right now.
Speaker 1: Um please please Carrison really ugly. Yeah. So on the
Speaker 1: site they sell, they sell ram shirts. Um, they sell
Speaker 1: white Rex shirts with a sorry I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: friends them fallon filan flame anyway, the Spanish fashion symbol. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's a hideous shirt. Yes, it is criminal one, the
Speaker 1: criminal shirt where the fine criminal shirt? Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: pretty good. It's just like and like the person who's
Speaker 1: modeling it doesn't help. Can I just say? I mean
Speaker 1: they have very fashy tattoos, they very fashy's hat twos
Speaker 1: and clearly are wearing the wrong side they have. They
Speaker 1: have a they have a reject poison embrace struggle shirts,
Speaker 1: which is like, you know, a straight eded shirt. Um,
Speaker 1: that's good. Um do you do you have? Do you
Speaker 1: see their old ideals new style shirt? I'm seeing the
Speaker 1: Aggressive Clothing Company shirt. I'm also the one. I'm What
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying is for the thought criminal shirt. The text
Speaker 1: below it. We have all committed the crime of having
Speaker 1: too much to think, so we've been brand thought criminals
Speaker 1: who made this website skirts a sentence from the thought
Speaker 1: criminals maybe should have spent some time thinking about how
Speaker 1: to write a fucking sentence. Yeah, but the website is
Speaker 1: very poorly coded. It takes it's very slow. Um they
Speaker 1: what what old ideas news style? You fucking look so
Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, Oh it's great. That's really good. Yeahbert, Robert,
Speaker 1: Robert people the one I just said, it's pretty fucking
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're like, you know what for this one?
Speaker 1: The model should have no tattoos. Oh, it's very good.
Speaker 1: That's so many news style. Is that like a boxer? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is a boxer okay, and he's like all Greek
Speaker 1: and on the on the on the Navy version of
Speaker 1: the shirt, and you can see Rob Bundo modeling himself
Speaker 1: with a backwards baseball cap and sunglasses, um with his
Speaker 1: son and red tattoo on the side. Yeah, amazing, absolutely
Speaker 1: all the thought, the thought of the thought criminal shirt
Speaker 1: is very fun. It's yeah, the guy has very large
Speaker 1: pecks and it looks very silly. Yeah, he's he's wearing
Speaker 1: a deliberately too tight shirt of several like really awkward
Speaker 1: fitting like cargar joggers, and like they have a so
Speaker 1: they have a bottoms section of the website, which I
Speaker 1: think is a very funny name to do. Um and
Speaker 1: they also sell custom Rhodesian shorts. Um. Yeah, I see that.
Speaker 1: And the guy, the guy definitely definitely skipped like days.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the Rhodesians a few times on this
Speaker 1: show and how it was a white supremacist utopia in
Speaker 1: Africa that lost a war to continue existing when they
Speaker 1: accidentally put all of their oil in one place and
Speaker 1: they got blown up. The Rhodesians military famously wore like
Speaker 1: very short shorts into combat for a period of time,
Speaker 1: and so white nationalists love Rhodesian shorts. The funny thing
Speaker 1: about the rhodes and shorts is that the Rhodesian military
Speaker 1: band their soldiers from wearing them because they're very very
Speaker 1: white legs made it incredibly easy to spot them in
Speaker 1: the bush and they kept getting shot to death. You
Speaker 1: need to check out you need to check out the
Speaker 1: shorts on the website because they are very short and
Speaker 1: you can see everyone's very white legs and it's great
Speaker 1: and that way you can shoot them in the bushmore Eason,
Speaker 1: I support the shorts, no notes, Yeah, Rhodesian shorts were
Speaker 1: a secret comrade. This is such a weird photospoul, the
Speaker 1: one where you can see that this guy skipped leg
Speaker 1: to day and also has it not nice bum like
Speaker 1: it's just like well shaped all and Sophie never butt
Speaker 1: shames on the pot. I am probe, I am pro
Speaker 1: but all the way. But this is not for being
Speaker 1: in for being in a section called called bottoms. The
Speaker 1: it's not it's not that it's very flat. And also
Speaker 1: if you look at the lower left calf, he has
Speaker 1: a very did son in red tattoo that just looks
Speaker 1: ugly like it's it's just it's it's half faded, so
Speaker 1: it looks just really aesthetically unpleasing. In the not great
Speaker 1: bum photo, I do like that there's like a like
Speaker 1: he's like gripping his fists. Yes he is, he is.
Speaker 1: He's he's holding something. He's holding a black thing. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, maybe a phone. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was going to be really inappropriate, but maybe I shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Now I'm eighteen. Now it's fine, that's right. I forgot
Speaker 1: that you're of legal age. I mean it's just like
Speaker 1: he's holding like I don't know it's just like his
Speaker 1: really tiny balls that he clearly has caught. I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's a lot happening. Okay, that one in a different
Speaker 1: direction than I thought. She's like not it. Also the
Speaker 1: crotch shot shot it's bad like normally, like you know,
Speaker 1: it's like Mike Penn's getting the COVID vaccine bad in
Speaker 1: the like ripples. But you can clearly tell not, no,
Speaker 1: that's not good. Scaped lug day, what day? And this
Speaker 1: is what happened? Um. So yeah, they sell the rotation shorts, um,
Speaker 1: a myriad of fascist stickers, lots of fascist nography. In fact,
Speaker 1: if you look at the sticker resection of the website,
Speaker 1: they've actually blowed out a lot of symbols on the
Speaker 1: website itself because they like, I guess we'll get in
Speaker 1: trouble they display them. I don't know. Um, well, I
Speaker 1: think that's fun. Um. But they also sell shirts from
Speaker 1: Pride from from Pride France, another uh Nazi m M
Speaker 1: A brand with a with a with us. The shirt
Speaker 1: has a son and rad and a raccoon that says
Speaker 1: respect nature, which again ties into Julius Sabola and eco fascism,
Speaker 1: which I'll talk about later towards the end. Um. Try,
Speaker 1: I'm not not not thrilled about um, but yeah, they
Speaker 1: sell stuff from a whole bunch of other fascist companies
Speaker 1: as well on their on their own website. Um yeah
Speaker 1: like um, but all right, let's let's do let's do it.
Speaker 1: We're near into the end here, so let's do a
Speaker 1: retrospective on Rondo. So looking looking at Rundow now, is
Speaker 1: he's very different than the Rundo circuity seventeen. He's he's
Speaker 1: no longer clamoring to get into fist pights with fist pips,
Speaker 1: with teenagers in black block. He's carefully trying to craft
Speaker 1: an aesthetic of fascism that hasn't quite gained popularity in
Speaker 1: the States yet, but I think one that very well could. Um,
Speaker 1: if you look at his more recent videos compared to
Speaker 1: his past videos, he's still trying to He's still trying
Speaker 1: to offer he's still trying to offer an alternative to
Speaker 1: the nerdy meme based right and the Larpie tactical militia right.
Speaker 1: But instead of just focusing on physically confronting your ideological enemies,
Speaker 1: as Ram used to say, Um, there's more of a
Speaker 1: focus on encouraging classic real world propaganda techniques like street graffiti,
Speaker 1: banner drops, and advising younger guys to get off the
Speaker 1: internet more um and to create smaller crews of like
Speaker 1: minded Nazis in real life to accomplish various direct actions UM,
Speaker 1: you know, beyond just fighting Antifa. UM. Quoting from a
Speaker 1: really good article in the new in the new Ark
Speaker 1: Review by a great journalist named Ali Winston, uh quote.
Speaker 1: It remains to be seen what Rundo does with all
Speaker 1: of this Eastern European education on how to be structured,
Speaker 1: said a long time investigative, said a long time investigator
Speaker 1: of white power groups who who was not authorized to
Speaker 1: speak on the record, but in recent In recent interviews,
Speaker 1: the investigator noted that Pierce Undo's approach to organizing has
Speaker 1: grown more sophisticated. He's quote maturing, the investigator said, comparing
Speaker 1: Rundo now to Thomas Metzer, the former klansman and founder
Speaker 1: of the group White Arean Resistance. Who's who's an ideologue
Speaker 1: revered by the Hammerskins and other skinhead groups. So we
Speaker 1: we and I think that's accurate. We have really seen
Speaker 1: a maturing of Rundo. UM in the past few years.
Speaker 1: If you look at the stuff he puts out now
Speaker 1: compart the stuff he puts out in seen, um, he
Speaker 1: is much more polished. He's much more kind of put
Speaker 1: together and trying to be more of like a mentor
Speaker 1: figure um to you know, younger guys as opposed to
Speaker 1: like this like street brawler um. And even now I
Speaker 1: can see Ram's influence spreading in the in in in
Speaker 1: the young new right in the States. When Rounde got
Speaker 1: out of jail, he connected and seemingly mentored a fascist
Speaker 1: youth organization called Revolt through Tradition UM. From what I
Speaker 1: can tell, Revolt which if you if you're familiar with
Speaker 1: Uprising a guide from Portland's UM, Revolt through Tradition, it's
Speaker 1: essentially the fascist Why I left from what I can
Speaker 1: kind of gather here, Yeah, yeah, because like they have
Speaker 1: a lot of the same aesthetics. They're kind of you know,
Speaker 1: anti modernism, anti tech. I I don't want to say
Speaker 1: anti sieve because they're anti civilization, but they're but they're
Speaker 1: they're anti modern society in the same way you know,
Speaker 1: a fascist is in terms of like a fascist like
Speaker 1: a Julius Savola fascist, which I might very well write
Speaker 1: a bachar Baschard's episode on Later because I I think,
Speaker 1: you know, his influence on RAM and stuff like Revolt
Speaker 1: through Tradition is uh is going to be more concerning
Speaker 1: when I see like intersection with eco fascism and this
Speaker 1: kind of you know, very direct action based kind of
Speaker 1: fashionst a Vola a little bit on our Savitri dev episodes.
Speaker 1: And he's someone who worries me a lot bigause I mean,
Speaker 1: for one thing, he's Steve Bannon's favorite philosopher. Like he's
Speaker 1: actually extremely influential um but not in a way like
Speaker 1: he like the vast majority of people, even people who
Speaker 1: consider themselves knowledgeable about fascism have never heard his name
Speaker 1: because he's he's not like a very showy influencer, but
Speaker 1: he influences people that you do know, and he's yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's a very serious person to be concerned about.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been dead for years, but his ideas,
Speaker 1: his writing, Yeah, I mean Amazon sells tons of Evola books,
Speaker 1: which is very bad. It's great they they what they like.
Speaker 1: They feature his book a handbook for right wing youth,
Speaker 1: which they should not be selling. It's a very dangerous
Speaker 1: text that should not be sold on Amazon. Like that
Speaker 1: shouldn't be happening. That's very bad. Um. Yeah, shocker, he's
Speaker 1: he's a big supporter of revolting through Tradition. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: Revolt has released a few videos very you know, reminiscent
Speaker 1: of rams early stuff, while also drawing a little bit
Speaker 1: from Adam offin style videos. Um. But you know they
Speaker 1: practice physical training. Um, except they've learned from Ram's mistakes
Speaker 1: and in all the videos they're wearing as sensibly black
Speaker 1: block um. From their website, uh quote, Revolt for Tradition
Speaker 1: is a meta political organization and a movement, not a club.
Speaker 1: We seek to we seek others to build a community
Speaker 1: through education, culture, activism, and health and healthy lifestyle. We
Speaker 1: seek those who are willing to stand up for something. Um.
Speaker 1: They they have they have topics. They've articles of topics
Speaker 1: from like European martial arts to the war the warrior mentality.
Speaker 1: Here's that again, um, and standing against standing against degeneracy
Speaker 1: and modernism and you know, very much like anti anti
Speaker 1: modern society, anti tech people need to go into the woods,
Speaker 1: you know, reminiscent of you know, Ted Kaczynski stuff. And
Speaker 1: you know, Julie Savola was saying the same things back
Speaker 1: in his day. Um. Yeah, So a lot of this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff I'm seeing popping up more. And when
Speaker 1: this intersect with the eco fascism, I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a real problem. Um um yeah. The we we're seeing,
Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot of in um and like Revolt
Speaker 1: is actively growing like there, their telegram is very active.
Speaker 1: They're posting more videos on YouTube. Um. I'm seeing like
Speaker 1: their membership grow from from you know, watching what kind
Speaker 1: of videos they put out, you know, a year ago
Speaker 1: compared to now. They have different you know, people in
Speaker 1: different cities popping up now, different kind of chapters. So
Speaker 1: like it is, it is very it's it's it's an active.
Speaker 1: It's an active problem because they're actively recruiting like youth
Speaker 1: and you know, like um, like you know, teens and
Speaker 1: people in their young twenties, UM to try to you know,
Speaker 1: get into this very you know, like meta politics kind
Speaker 1: of thing because like their goals to get people out
Speaker 1: of electoralism and go on like social media and everything,
Speaker 1: social media, Facebook, Twitter, Parlor. They don't have a pod,
Speaker 1: but I'll talk talk talk. I'll talk about pod podcasting
Speaker 1: soon because Rundo is trying to start one good oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you should let me know if you need
Speaker 1: some advice to drink four o nine. But yeah, like
Speaker 1: they're basically the goal, Rundo and you know, Revolt Revolt
Speaker 1: through Traditions goal is to you know, take disenfranchised youth
Speaker 1: who are you know, on the right and trying to
Speaker 1: get them to go beyond like electoralism, you know, try
Speaker 1: try to break them out of the electoral cycle, you know,
Speaker 1: walk away from the Republican Republican Party and start doing
Speaker 1: like actual direct actions. This is called like meta politics,
Speaker 1: trying to combine political activism but not in the framework
Speaker 1: of electoralism, trying to bring it into like, you know,
Speaker 1: just the mainstream culture and how you live your everyday life.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, the uh so, with with the right getting
Speaker 1: more and more disenfranchised and disaffected with Trump's loss, I
Speaker 1: can see groups like this growing substantially than the next
Speaker 1: four years, the same way anti fascists grew under you know,
Speaker 1: the previous four years. Um yeah, um. Rundo actually also
Speaker 1: sells Revolt through Tradition stickers on his website. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: I've seen, I've seen. I've seen stickers get being posted
Speaker 1: in Seattle, all across the south all across the east coast,
Speaker 1: west coast. I'm seeing robots of tradition STIUL pop up
Speaker 1: in a lot of spots. Um. Yeah, I'm particularly kind
Speaker 1: of watching this group right now. Um. I'm gonna quote
Speaker 1: the New York The New York Review article again for
Speaker 1: more on this topic. Quote. Rundo also drew on the
Speaker 1: writings of fascist philosopher Julius Sevola to conceive of the
Speaker 1: Rise Above movement as a meta political organization that would
Speaker 1: foster its own culture, making it independent of Western commercial culture,
Speaker 1: which Undo believes is sapping the vitality of white Americans
Speaker 1: with mainstream TV subs, substance adiction, young food, and multicultural values.
Speaker 1: Following a Vola's teaching, he believed the right can provide
Speaker 1: wayward white youth with the direction and purpose in life
Speaker 1: through political and physical education. This would equip young cadreds
Speaker 1: to quote revolt against the modern world in the words
Speaker 1: of a Vola. Um and that Ram ram made that
Speaker 1: basically it's credo to prepare them to confront ideological imponents. Quote.
Speaker 1: They did nothing with electoral politics, but they did everything
Speaker 1: with street politics and building a countercall culture. Ram Uh,
Speaker 1: founder of Rundo said of casta proud and Italian fashion organization.
Speaker 1: So again, focus on moving away from electoral electoralism and
Speaker 1: doing you know, building a culture within the youth to
Speaker 1: kind of get more national's ideas into the mainstream. That
Speaker 1: is achievable not through electoral politics, but through direct action.
Speaker 1: Um so yeah. What what Rundo himself brought to this project,
Speaker 1: um was a degree of charisma that made him able
Speaker 1: to recruit others quoting him again, everything we can do
Speaker 1: that's outside the mainstream, outside of their poison, outside of
Speaker 1: their poison, we need to do so again, trying to
Speaker 1: get out of the mainstream and getting out of electoralism.
Speaker 1: Um so yeah. I mean Rundo does have a weird
Speaker 1: kind of charisma, like he's not he's not, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like I watched so many Rundo videos in the past
Speaker 1: month or so, um, and he he definitely has something
Speaker 1: that he is getting much better at engaging with audiences
Speaker 1: over over video and over audio. He's he's definitely learning
Speaker 1: how to do that. Um uh. And I so earlier,
Speaker 1: um like last month, I GA located a new Robert
Speaker 1: Rundo video back to Serbia because actually he Rundo was
Speaker 1: in the States in November, UM, and then we kind
Speaker 1: of didn't know where he was. He posted a new
Speaker 1: video in December and he was back in Serbia, back
Speaker 1: in Belgrade. I posted I found the exact location of
Speaker 1: the video. UM, and I posted on Twitter about and
Speaker 1: I had like people in my comments saying that, like,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be talking about Rundo because he's too attractive
Speaker 1: and charismatic quote unquote, which I will push back on,
Speaker 1: like have they seen his haircut? Like if you're problem
Speaker 1: with to look at Hitler? Okay, that was That was okay,
Speaker 1: But like my point is, like, if you're saying I shouldn't,
Speaker 1: like people shouldn't talk about these guys because they're too
Speaker 1: charismatic and attractive, maybe you should do some inner thinking
Speaker 1: because I think there's a way to talk about these
Speaker 1: guys and the fact that you're calling it attractive, um,
Speaker 1: instead of focusing on all the bad things, I think
Speaker 1: maybe you should do some reflection. Um. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just a weird, weird, weird, weird thing. UM, because
Speaker 1: there needs to be a way to talk about and
Speaker 1: worrying about what these guys are trying to do and
Speaker 1: what they're gonna and how they're going to try to
Speaker 1: recruit youth in the next four years because they are
Speaker 1: going to they're gonna try to recruit a lot of
Speaker 1: disaffected teams and disappected people in their twenties. Um so. Uh.
Speaker 1: The federal appeal on Onondow's charges is still being granted
Speaker 1: and um and if he has to face another trial, um,
Speaker 1: which is still a big if, um, because we don't
Speaker 1: know that. It depends on if it it depends if
Speaker 1: the appeal gets granted. Um so. But but even if
Speaker 1: he does have to face trial, his mark has been left.
Speaker 1: And at this point, it's just kind of reducing how much, um,
Speaker 1: how much that how much the market's left can spread? Right?
Speaker 1: Will we have to deal with only a few branch
Speaker 1: off organizations or many many more? Right? Are we have
Speaker 1: to mainly focus them like revolt through tradition and the
Speaker 1: remnants of ram or is this going to spread you
Speaker 1: know wildly and you know, you know, impact the stuff
Speaker 1: the same way like the Proud Boys? Will I I
Speaker 1: don't know yet. Um. Would his conviction for you know what,
Speaker 1: his conviction on his violence set a precedent for a
Speaker 1: fashion street violence for federal charges or when he becomes
Speaker 1: a murder I don't know. I I don't I don't
Speaker 1: really know what that's gonna do, because I mean, Ben
Speaker 1: Dailey is already arrested and in federal prison, so I
Speaker 1: don't know how much. I mean, Rundo was more you know, visible,
Speaker 1: But I don't know if his conviction would really be
Speaker 1: meaningful in any way or if he'll just turn him
Speaker 1: into more of a marder. I'm not sure about that either. Um,
Speaker 1: and all that depends if he tries to flee and
Speaker 1: if if which would be very funny, if he tries
Speaker 1: to flee again, or if he tries tries to still
Speaker 1: still still hiding in in Serbia because Serbia does have
Speaker 1: a brand new extradition treaty, but no one's been no
Speaker 1: one's ever been extraded through through the treaty before. Um
Speaker 1: it just started in so we don't know if that
Speaker 1: will actually hold. Um. Yeah, So I mean and if
Speaker 1: and if he does, all that means is that all
Speaker 1: have more fun and more glocation nerds will have more
Speaker 1: fun trying to find him. Um. In the meantime, he
Speaker 1: has like three YouTube channels, so we can try to
Speaker 1: I don't know. They probably shouldn't exist. Um he has.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, they're called like media to rise in different
Speaker 1: variations that thereof He shouldn't have YouTube channels, Uh he
Speaker 1: does not the stuff and all of them. This this
Speaker 1: should not be happening. And uh, just a few days
Speaker 1: ago as of this recording, he announced he's starting a podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh good, yeah, away from our platform. So his podcast,
Speaker 1: he says, it's gonna be about nationalist lifestyle activism like demos, demonstrations, brawls, competitions, um,
Speaker 1: and how to deal with law enforcement. He said, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's he said, it's not about theory, it's not
Speaker 1: about political commentary. It's about actual you know, meta politics,
Speaker 1: Like it's actually like about getting your politics to be
Speaker 1: part of just your everyday culture and everyday life. Um.
Speaker 1: So Robert, for you guys, you know you, you guys
Speaker 1: have will have a new podcasting rival and some some something.
Speaker 1: So something for me that's gonna be interesting is He
Speaker 1: also announced he's making a short film, So I have
Speaker 1: a new rifle in the short film Seed and he
Speaker 1: said it's a short film with costumes. He was very happy,
Speaker 1: He's very happy that they had costumes. I bet those
Speaker 1: costumes are very exciting, so we have that to look
Speaker 1: forward to. Um, he's he's still he's, he's he's he's
Speaker 1: still in Serbia. He's still in Belgrade or Belgrade. Um.
Speaker 1: He posted a video like a two days ago of
Speaker 1: him at his factory in Belgrade, so he's still there.
Speaker 1: Um and I re located him there back in December,
Speaker 1: so he's absolutely still in in in in Serbia. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: YouTube channels, podcast, short film. He shouldn't have YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: So if we can get those down, I don't know
Speaker 1: if if if we can bully YouTube enough to take
Speaker 1: those down, that would be good. Um, because they really shouldn't.
Speaker 1: They really shouldn't have that YouTube. Yeah, do better. Also,
Speaker 1: good luck with your podcast, I don't know. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously good luck with your podcast. Podcasting solidarity
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, that's the most important thing. That's basically
Speaker 1: all I have on a Roberundo and movement, and they're
Speaker 1: fashion lifestyle brand that they're trying to develop and sell
Speaker 1: very bad T shirts for and Rhodesian shorts. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean critical support to Rhodesian shorts. Um, real alright, everybody, real,
Speaker 1: helpers it because this has been behind the bastards. We'll
Speaker 1: be back next week with more terrible people and at
Speaker 1: some point in the future to talk about Julius A.
Speaker 1: Vola or maybe to talk about I t S which
Speaker 1: is you're all going to really enjoy learning about when
Speaker 1: when that becomes appropriate? Yeah, really really not thrilled about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I Vola stuff for multi tradition stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: when we get more people, Yeah, it's eco fascism. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be a real issue. It's gonna
Speaker 1: kill somebody someone listening to this podcast knows. And don't
Speaker 1: forget to follow Garrison on Twitter at hung Hungry bow Tie.
Speaker 1: And if you want to buy better fitting T shirts,
Speaker 1: you have a T public store, so I have, yeah,
Speaker 1: and of our profits go to NAA funding my gym membership.
Speaker 1: All right, that's hi, Garrison Davis here with a little
Speaker 1: a little hot steamy Robert Rundo updates. Sorry, I I
Speaker 1: don't know why I phrased it like that, but we
Speaker 1: do have an update on um our not friend Robert Rundo. Um.
Speaker 1: Since I recorded the first few episodes of this back
Speaker 1: in January. Of course that that was before the siege
Speaker 1: at the Capitol and a whole bunch of stuff that's
Speaker 1: kind of happened since then, um starting with starting with
Speaker 1: Rundo himself. It was reported in February that here I
Speaker 1: will just read a headline from Global Voices. It's also
Speaker 1: reported by various other news outlet's. This is this is legit.
Speaker 1: Here's the headline quote. Serbia expels us neo Nazi after
Speaker 1: investigative website belling Cat outed his location. So Robert Rundo
Speaker 1: has actually been kicked out of Serbia during February, which
Speaker 1: is really interesting. So he is not going to be
Speaker 1: allowed to stay in Serbia anymore. He is not he's
Speaker 1: and he's he's presumably not there at the moment. We'll
Speaker 1: still need to figure out where he is in the future,
Speaker 1: but he will probably not be in Serbia because you're
Speaker 1: not not not allowed to be there anymore. Now, there's
Speaker 1: a various other places around the globe that he could
Speaker 1: be trying to stay in the Ukraine nearby and Russia.
Speaker 1: So so that that that is that is very interesting
Speaker 1: that he's no longer in Serbia after months and months
Speaker 1: of reporting from belling Cat showing that he is still there.
Speaker 1: And then I still confirmed in December that he was
Speaker 1: still there, So that is that is Uh, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's it's always good to know where guys
Speaker 1: like this are. UM. But you know this, this is
Speaker 1: good for the people in Serbia, uh, and the people
Speaker 1: in the city he was in that he's not going
Speaker 1: to be there anymore. That is that is that is good.
Speaker 1: The other interesting piece of Rundo information and updated intail
Speaker 1: that we have is that then in March, so the
Speaker 1: following month, the appeal to reinstate his rioting charges was granted,
Speaker 1: So the federal charges he has against him are now
Speaker 1: able to be prosecuted against UM. Once again, the the
Speaker 1: the ninth ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that
Speaker 1: the Federal Rioting Act does not violate free speech and
Speaker 1: the charges that he was the charges charges he was
Speaker 1: charged with do not do not actually violate free free
Speaker 1: speech laws. So they UM went back on the twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen ruling that a federal judge made because very UM,
Speaker 1: you know, appeals on the federal level are not very
Speaker 1: common for them to be granted. So this is this
Speaker 1: is really interesting that he's gonna that he is he
Speaker 1: poss sibly might go to trial of now on these
Speaker 1: rioting charges. Let's see. And so these rioting I know
Speaker 1: back in there was it was like six hundred days
Speaker 1: from the time that he did those violent assaults and
Speaker 1: then got arrested charged for it. So now it being
Speaker 1: like one, I don't know how many that's so so
Speaker 1: many more days. It's more than twelve, more than one
Speaker 1: thing more than like, it's probably more than one thousand,
Speaker 1: three hundred or one thousand four hundred days since he
Speaker 1: did these violent assaults. And it's actually gonna go to
Speaker 1: if he's gonna go to trial for them, it'll be
Speaker 1: you know, upcoming here. So that's that. That's that's been.
Speaker 1: It's been a long time, but it it is uh,
Speaker 1: it is nice to see that he will be facing
Speaker 1: some consequences for him, you know, randomly attacking people in
Speaker 1: black hoodies um and beating children up on the ground.
Speaker 1: So those charges are reinstated. So those those the two
Speaker 1: main Rendow updates. Now again we don't know where he's
Speaker 1: at the moment um he could you know, best guesses
Speaker 1: are Ukraine or Russia. They have different extradition rules, but
Speaker 1: we're not sure if Ukraine and Russia is gonna let
Speaker 1: him stay there. And we we we know, we know
Speaker 1: he has friends there, but I'm not sure what the
Speaker 1: government is gonna do when they if they find out
Speaker 1: that he's you know, trying trying to live there. So
Speaker 1: that's everything on the rundow side of On the other
Speaker 1: on the other side of things, remember are also not
Speaker 1: friends at Revolt through Tradition, the kind of fashy traditionalist
Speaker 1: youth group inspired by Julie Sevola. They have now been
Speaker 1: UM pretty effectively d platformed after the January six riots
Speaker 1: at the Capitol. And I mean more than riots. They
Speaker 1: were trying to, you know, do a fascist coup. So
Speaker 1: all of Revolt through Traditions, websites, UM, YouTube channels, social
Speaker 1: media accounts, all of them have been joined. They're all
Speaker 1: they are all gone. The they really the only really,
Speaker 1: the only thing they have left is their telegram channel UM,
Speaker 1: which makes recruiting much more difficult. So it is fantastic
Speaker 1: to have them not be given you know, their Twitter, Facebook,
Speaker 1: UM and YouTube platforms, as well as their website, which
Speaker 1: was honestly a well designed website, so that it is
Speaker 1: very good to see that happen. UM. This is you know,
Speaker 1: this is a great example of an effective use of
Speaker 1: d platforming. No one really is making a big deal
Speaker 1: out of it, no one, you know, it's not it's
Speaker 1: not like the big show. It's just, yeah, quietly, these
Speaker 1: things are getting taken down, and that makes that makes
Speaker 1: the uh, that makes the recruiting possibilities much more much
Speaker 1: more difficult. Uh. Speaking of YouTube channels, let's check Rundo's. So,
Speaker 1: Rundo's still does have some of his YouTube channels up um.
Speaker 1: I know he had a lot, but it looks like
Speaker 1: some of his previous ones have been deleted. Um. But
Speaker 1: that's not you know, that's so that's that is good.
Speaker 1: That is good that he has less channel s now
Speaker 1: he has less videos, but still he still does have
Speaker 1: at least at least two channels up um right now
Speaker 1: on on YouTube. I think all yeah media to rise
Speaker 1: and documentary series media to rise. So his his main
Speaker 1: channel was taken down, that's great, but we still have
Speaker 1: these other channels that he's trying to, you know, um,
Speaker 1: recruit off of. So that that is the status of
Speaker 1: Rundo and tradition at the moment um. Remote tradition is
Speaker 1: kind of in shambles because they don't know what to
Speaker 1: do now that they basically have no Internet presence that
Speaker 1: norms can see. And Rundo's looking for a new hoe
Speaker 1: because he's been kicked out of Serbia. So that's that's that,
Speaker 1: that's what's happened since then, you know, not enough information
Speaker 1: to warrant a hole another episode. I just thought I
Speaker 1: would tack this on to the end, So have have
Speaker 1: a wonderful day, Um, the rest of you beautiful humans.
Speaker 1: Don't don't don't try to do a fascist too and
Speaker 1: then have your Twitter accounts and YouTube's deleted, and don't
Speaker 1: start a fascist clothing company. Doesn't doesn't seem to work
Speaker 1: out well. This is This is Garrison Davis signing off.
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