WEBVTT - Part Two: RAM- Lifestyle Fascism 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:08.840 M fuck drop bock, drop back. I don't like Dropbox. 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.040 I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards, a podcast 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.200 where I don't like Dropbox very much. And also I 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:16.079 talked about the worst people in all of histories, some 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:18.840 of whom are the folks who make Dropbox because it 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:20.919 has stopped working. Used to work fine, used to work great, 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:22.720 used to be used to just dragon drop ship share it. 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:24.920 Now it's a giant pain in the ass every time 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:27.479 we need to use it. Uh So, I don't know. 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:29.920 Am I saying that people should go out and commit 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:34.440 crimes against drop Box corporate property? Yes, yes I am. 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:38.640 I am specifically and legally actionably urging people to do that. 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.800 This has been my favorite intro of yours. Robert, thank you, 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:44.880 thank you. That's what we need. Go out and crime 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:49.120 my children, go out and crime anti Dropbox action. Yeah 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.879 exactly a d A baby, I got that tattoo right 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:56.080 on my chest. Um. Our guests today is the same 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:58.680 as our guest in part one, Garrison Davis, who is 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.680 actually our reverse guest, and I am the guest on 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:08.200 my own podcast learning about the Rise Above movement Ram 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.240 Yeah and now the not Ram the NAM Yeah. The 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:17.080 remnants of yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah, that was good. That 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.320 was good. You gotta lean into ship like that. Garrison, 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:23.120 never admit, never admit mistakes. That wasn't a mistake, that 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:26.960 was That was a pun. Puns are never mistakes except 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:31.360 when they are. Okay. Um. Anyway, when we when we 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.600 last high, it's Garrison again from the Twitter and podcast 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.520 or whatever. Um. When we last left off, four RAM 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.440 members got convicted for their violent actions in Charlttesville, and 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.720 another four got their charges dropped. Um. Chief among them 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:48.800 was RAM co founder and leader Robert Rundo Um when 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.280 when let when let out of jail in a nineteen 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:54.600 in June, he decided to flee to Eastern Europe on 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.920 more of those extended vacations. So he so he he 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.279 has said he has to a jail. He's not super 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:05.720 thrilled about law enforcement. UM, I never like never actually is. 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:08.040 We'll talk about more about later. But he decides to 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:09.560 leave the States because he thinks that if he gets 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.120 in the States, we'll just get into more trouble. Um. 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.520 So he goes to Eastern Europe, where he tries to 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:19.359 build up a media slash clothing brand of athletic lifestyle fascism, 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:21.720 which that kind of stuff has a lot of established 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.960 roots in that area. Um, in the whole section of 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.280 the world. Um yeah, I mean yeah, Ukraine is huge, 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:32.679 that ship, Yeah, and all France, um, Russia and all 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:34.360 of that, all of that stuff has a lot of 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.920 a lot of this kind of thing. Um. But this 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.480 isn't the first time he actually would attempt to do 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:44.320 something like this. Um. Remember in the uh in the 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.000 the pro Publica thing and within when they interviewed the 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.160 remember the remember said that they wanted to stop going 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.200 to rallies as much. Um after that, you know, someone 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:59.120 after they murdered someone in Charlottesville. Um. So after after that, 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:00.840 with the right coming under a whole bunch of more 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:04.040 scrutinty for like kind of the first time, um, because 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:09.000 again they killed someone in broad daylight. Um, the RAMS 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.079 violent actions got put on a little little bit of 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:16.080 a pause. Um. And uh so they stopped doing in 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.880 personalities as much and they started instead by focusing on 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.160 building a fashy lifestyle m m a clothing brand here 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.720 in the States, um, in lieu of their white nationalists 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:30.360 m m AH clubs, including brand inspirations like the Russian 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.720 based White Rex um Thor's Steiner, which is another one 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.040 based in Germany, UM, which we'll get into a little 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:37.960 little a little bit more in a bit UM And 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.000 yeah there's a there's one in a France too, but 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:44.960 I forget its name. Um so in uh. In January eighteen, 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.600 Rob Rundo and Ram secretly started the quote the Right 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.520 Brand clothing company. I say I say secretly because at 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.040 the time no one knew was associated with ram UM 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.600 and nothing on their website was tied to RAM except 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.320 all of the models for their clothing products was all 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:03.160 re member, So people if you were like following the 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.160 anti anti racist action stuff, you could like be like, oh, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.480 this is the same dude posing in these photos for 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.200 this this is they're probably the same people. And eventually 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:12.760 we found it like they were they were. It was 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:17.720 the same guys doing like running both UM. The Right 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:25.720 Brands motto was style Identity Revolt, which is uh, yeah, anyway, UM, 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.760 any any kind of regular Republican or conservative and probably 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.280 even some liberals wouldn't find much of a problem with 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:36.320 their site or products. UM. It wasn't super explicit about 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.760 what's premacy, as later branding attempts would be but the 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:43.839 now defunct website is riddled with dog whistles. Um. The 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.279 homepage bills itself as a nationalist apparel company committed to 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:51.359 bringing you the highest quality goods. Our products are designed 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:55.240 both for casual active lifestyles, made for our people, by 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:59.599 our people. So again that's you know, our our people 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:05.760 quote unquote meaning meaning meaning white people. Um. They their 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:07.479 websites actually kind of it's kind of it's kind of 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:11.799 a hoot to to scroll around on because it's very stupid. Um. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:25.880 And they they filed that was so precious. Um. The 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:30.320 the about section of their website reads, quote m the 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.720 Right Brand was founded by a mix of frontline patriots 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:34.719 from all around America that wanted to take part in 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.279 creating a counterculture to the Marxist and degenerate ideals that 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.720 are constantly being forced upon us from big corporate Hollywood 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.880 and media and liberal campuses. So note note on their 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.120 grammar there. I'm not correcting their grammar from the website. 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.080 I'm just doing one for one. I just want to 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.520 point out that you went full Canada in that a 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:58.960 boat section going to be even more white than they are. Uh, 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:05.720 how's that's the only way to take them down. You 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:10.920 gotta go, you gotta go even wider. You gotta burn salt, 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:18.880 throw your pepper in the sea. Continuing their about section 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:24.760 um modeling after successful European patriotic and nationalist movements, we 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:28.120 created a coalition of apparel and accessories based on these concepts. 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.760 All of the founders are young activists that have been 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:33.480 at some has. Some have been at some of the 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.400 biggest events in around the country and have personally been 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.960 on the front page for their boldness and stood against 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.800 the waves of the left. At the Right brand clothing. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:43.560 We have gone out of gone out of our way 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:45.680 to reach out to companies and movements in Europe that 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.799 are engaged in the same battles we are. We procured 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:50.920 a selection of their products and have made them available 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.080 for sale here in the United States. This helps keep 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:59.599 um slash our guys slash employed and able to sustain 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:04.080 their struggle against the European Union and other sub subversive forces. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:08.360 Um so Slash hour Slash is a white nationalist dog 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:12.360 missile for being like someone being a Nazi essentially um 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:18.400 which you know what's that started on four chan, right, Robert, Yeah, yeah, 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:23.080 the slash our things, Yeah yeah, that's that's I mean, 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.560 as far as I know, that's where that started. Okay, 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.200 with internet culture, like who the hell? Like I I 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:33.080 have at least got popularized. It's got, it's got popularized 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.840 on the chains for sure. Um the Right brand pride 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.240 itself on having a quote ethical supply chain quote. Our 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.360 supply chain is free from forced, unplaid labor, child labor, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.040 and human trafficking. We are also committed to sourcing only 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:49.040 from companies and individuals who share slash our values SLASH. 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.160 When we purchase products from Europe, we are supporting families 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.800 and communities that believe in traditional values the American fiscal support. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.640 Through American fiscal support, we are furthering our mutual shared 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.640 idea EELS to us. Ethnically sourcing materials and services also 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.320 includes us not giving any money to our shared enemies 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.520 or those who do not align with slash our values SLASH. 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.119 So they're not even being that suttle because they're putting 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:16.440 the slashes in there. Um So, I don't I don't 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.640 know what quite their audience was for this, um, I 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.160 mean there the company did not last too long, partially 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.520 because a lot of their members got charges and were 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.240 sent to jail during you know, before their trials. Um. 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.040 But they never got super popular. Um they never their 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:36.760 clothing company never really took off. Um. The products themselves 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.160 are kind of just pretty basic athletic gear with various 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.880 designs on them. Um. Some are adorned with like Viking 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:46.320 imagery and runic letters. Other shirts read Alpine Division. Um. 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.760 They had they had an anti communist action shirt with 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.280 crossed rifles. Um what what what? One of their One 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:56.160 of their popular designs says revolt against the Modern, which 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.240 is a little Julius Evola reference, which I will talk 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:04.040 more about later. Um. Under a section titled activism, they 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:08.439 sell fucking Antifa stickers and Modern White Youth stickers, so 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.559 the stickers are a little bit more explicit about what 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:16.160 what they're doing. Um. The the Modern White Youth stickers 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:21.400 depicts the dangers of wrath, feminism, homosexuality, third world immigration, 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:25.280 white guilt, cultural Marxism, communism, drugs, and and and degeneracy 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.080 being forced onto young white people. It's a weird design. 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.760 I don't know how to describe it, besides just that 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:32.800 it's like these things are getting like fed into this 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.760 young white person's mouth or whatever. Very silly. Um. And 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:40.959 honestly white Area in Resistance comic from the nineteen nineties. 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.880 Honestly kind of based wrath, feminism, homosexuality, thirdble, immigration, white 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:49.640 gilt culturemrxism, communism, drugs, and degeneracy. Not all terrible. Most 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.199 of those are actually pretty fine. I'm a big fan 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:56.240 of generous, so honestly, I would not protest if this 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:00.640 was getting injected into me. UM. Let's see. Uh, The 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.200 Right Brand school was to both set up an American 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.600 version of White rex in the within the style of 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.319 you know, the m M, a white nationalist UM lifestyle 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.840 brand to help spread their propaganda and recruit young men. UM. 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.000 But also it was to get the guys that ran 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.440 a job because they all kind of got in trouble 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:22.120 and their tree trimming business kind of fell apart after Charlottesville. UM, 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:23.839 so they started this to kaid of trying to keep 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:31.400 themselves employed. So that's pretty funny. UM. The to be fair, UM, 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.480 the Right Brand was kind of semi open about where 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:35.719 their funds were going. UM. They broke it down into 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:39.040 four sections on their website. UM. One section red sponsorship, 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.000 We hear the Right Brand believe in healthy, believe heavily 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.240 in athleticism for today's youth as a way to fight 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.880 against the less on spot of degeneracy and drug culture 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.240 that they promote. We need a youth that is strong 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:51.920 in their mental capabilities to lead our to lead our way. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:53.760 Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I'm gonna the 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.720 rest of it. Um. They're they're they're talking about sponsoring 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:00.320 athletes with gear and clothing UM and look to make 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:04.080 sure they can pay people's local gym memberships UM and 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.120 trying to get people, you know, involved in boxing, in 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:11.520 the major jitsu, wrestling, mutai, bodybuilding, and other physical sports. UM. 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.080 Their funds also go to political activism for the few 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.520 groups that promote healthy ideals and the values people reach 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.480 out and help them with our shared goals. This so 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.880 fucking silly to me that these guys are so into 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:23.800 m M A and so in the movie Mutai, and 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:28.160 they're also like fundamentally anti like not just anti globalization 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.480 but anti like um because you know, there's reasons to 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.680 be anti globalization, but like anti cultural interchange. They're they're 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.600 like against the idea of cultures mingling and mixing, and 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:39.800 the entire idea of M A is to take the 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.600 best things from different cultures of martial arts and them together. 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:47.320 What sport. What does the first word of with of 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:54.000 mm A stand for uh mixed mixed Yeah yeah so 0:11:54.120 --> 0:12:00.319 yeah so sponsorship, potal actimism. The other thing that the 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:05.240 right brands um money goes to is legal matters. Yeah, 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.880 they have a lot of those. From time to time, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.800 patriots will get singled out for noble actions by fake 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:15.920 news or legal prosecution. We will make sure these patriots 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:20.079 are not alone and undefended. Their actions will be appreciated. Um. 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.080 And the last thing their money goes to is to 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:26.080 expand to further the messages of white nationalist ideal. Sorry 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.240 of nationalist ideals. They did not put white in there. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.120 Um and healthy values. So when you buy a shirt, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.320 you're not just buying a piece of fabric, which are 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.880 supporting the fight for all of our freedoms and our 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.920 identities in a new way forward, which is very inspirational 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:42.640 if you're a Nazi, I guess, um, so like they did, 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.120 they they did, they did kind of lay it out. 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.400 So but most of their funds I assuming, I'm assuming 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.920 we're going to pay to for their gym, for their 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.400 gym memberships. Um, this is what I'm kind of getting 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.640 out of this um and yeah, I was, and I 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.080 was trying to give the round people a job after 0:12:58.160 --> 0:12:59.559 they all kind of got in trouble at the tree 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:03.520 trimming nous um because people didn't want to hire Nazis 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:11.680 tree trimming Nazi business. Yeah. Uh. A few months after 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.640 RAMS started their clothing company, some members embarked on a 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.000 European tour to network with similar white nationalist mm A 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:21.079 lifestyle groups all across Europe. Um, in their own words, 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:25.480 to bridge the gap between the two nationalist scenes. Because 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:27.960 RAM really was trying to be the kind of American 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.280 version of these groups that have existed in Europe for 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.440 a while. Um. And I mean, thankfully it never never 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.400 really took foot that much, but I still think it 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:41.640 probably could or something similar probably could, um yeah, very soon. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.800 Because there have been other ways in which kind of 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:49.160 the m m A scene has been a little bit 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.240 sort of infected by far right politics. Like a good 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:53.800 example would be kind of some of the people who 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.319 go on Joe Rogan show. Obviously, like that's a vector. 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.280 And I wonder if like maybe part of the reason 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:02.240 why the explicit the fascist stuff like that RAM has 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.679 been doing hasn't gone as far, hasn't infected the scene 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.400 as far as it might have. Is because there's kind 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.480 of like already something of an inoculation in that area 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.800 to it, um, like a milder version has spread, and 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.079 maybe there's not as much appetite for the more extreme 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.840 stuff because people have already bought into some aspects of 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.280 that stuff and they don't necessarily want to. I don't know, 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.120 I don't know, I don't know. It's an interesting question. 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:26.880 Someone who knows a goddamn thing about m m A 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.920 might might might look in at Yeah, I'm not if 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.080 you couldn't tell from the way I look, if you've 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.200 seen me in videos, I'm not really an m m 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:39.200 A person. I am more of a run very quickly person. Um. 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.280 So I'm really not the best person to comment on 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:45.600 mm A stuff because running is generally the best self defense. Yeah. 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.000 Most of what I do is run on run and 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.680 climb tall buildings, um, which I enjoyed doing a lot 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.600 um um. So, Yeah, they were trying to bridge gap 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.200 between the two national scenes. UM. The big event they 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.240 attended and that worked at was the annual Sword and 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:05.000 Shield Festival in Germany, a mixed martial arts tournament, and 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:11.560 a far right slash white nationalist conference held on Hitler's birthday. Um. 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.760 The two day Nazi Festival draws in about a thousand 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:21.520 attendees and it's put on by Germany's National Democratic Party. UM. Yeah, 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.080 so you should be able to tell what the National 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.680 Democratic Party is based on their name, um if you 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:32.320 replace the word democratic with I don't know a different word. Um. Anyway, 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:37.440 the the event itself consists of speeches, metal concerts, and 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.120 a big merch room and a martial arts and a 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.200 martial arts tournament. It is essentially comic con for Nazis. 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.160 That is kind of what I'm getting out of this. Um. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.160 They have like this giant merch room, they can meet 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:49.960 like you know, famous, not two people. It's just it's 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.840 just comic con for you know, fascists. Comic for fascists. 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.880 Oh boy, yeah, I bet the bathrooms are just with 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:02.760 steroid natives. I mean just just just dripping, like you 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.560 wash your hands and you get h on them from 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:09.480 the sink. Sounds great. The oddly enough I mean, or 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.760 maybe not oddly enough, but the m the mm A 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.520 portion of the event is the largest white nationalist combat 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.880 sports event in the entire world. Um, it's like this 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.400 is actually like a very big deal in these kind 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.840 of these kind of circles. UM. On the same trip, UM, 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.600 the RAM team also stopped in France for the White 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:27.800 Nationalists of Boxing event to put on by the Nazi 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:31.840 group genera Generation Identity UM, who is kind of similar 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.400 to like White Rex and like you know, they're the 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.680 clothing brand thing. But also Generation Identity UH inspired the 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.160 U S based group and in the Auropa on more 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.400 of like the race realism type of things. I know. 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.760 Then the Europa has like a different name now and 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:48.920 it's kind of defunct. UM. So that's probably good. But 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:51.200 I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure we haven't seen the 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:55.080 last of that type of thing. UM. So about a 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.520 week after the Sword and Shield Festival, Rob Rundo and 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:02.040 Ben Daily and another Red member UH, Robert Smithson. They 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:06.680 have a lot of Roberts. They've rob Bundo, Robert Bowman, 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:11.879 Robert It's all these people born in the eighties named Robert. 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:17.400 It's it's a lot of them. UM. Anyway to Roberts 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:26.560 in a bend headed out to Ukraine to attend Fascist 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:33.119 r and b they tourist to attend an mm A 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:37.680 competition at a nightclub in Kiev that puts on events 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.480 for what supremacists. UM. Rob Undo actually competed in this 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.240 one and he lost. UM, so that's good UM. And 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:50.080 then whilst in Ukraine, they also hung out with Dennis 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.919 Nickitten Um, who is the founder of the neo Nazi 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.480 athletic mm A lifestyle brand White Wrex, which we have 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.639 talked about a little bit UM, which was again one 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.840 of the main inspirations for Ram in the first place. 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.280 Uh Nikotin was one of the first to notice the 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.840 declining popularity of skinhead culture and then try to replace 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:10.080 it with combining mm A subculture with fall right political ideologies. 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.560 When he founded White Rex back into US an eight 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.560 UM and it's been growing ever since. UM. Around the 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.439 same time Nickatin met with Ram, he also spoke with 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:20.840 The Guardian in an interview UM. In an interview he 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.720 said this quote, if we kill one immigrant every day, 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.920 that's three hundred six immigrants a year, but tens of 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.399 thousands will come anyway. I realized we're fighting the consequences, 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:33.560 but it's not the underlying reason. So now we must 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:35.639 fight for the minds not on the streets, but on 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.720 social media. So he's basically saying, even if we kill 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:42.080 you know, one immigrant today, still thousands or more gonna come. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:43.600 So it's kind of a losing battle. We have to 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.879 we have to stop focusing on street stuff and go 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.040 back to social media stuff and try to fight for 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.040 the minds of people. UM. But again, this was kind 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:52.840 of like the opposite of what RAM was trying to 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:57.919 do back in UM. But after this European tour, rob 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.560 Rundo seems to take statements like this to art he 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:04.280 UM with them departing from the heavy street based action 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.480 emphasis that RAM had in twenty seventeen, opting instead for 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:09.600 more of a focus on propaganda and media than they 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.400 had even before UM. In the next few months, they 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:15.159 put more work into their YouTube channel and didn't attend 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.760 any street actions. All. This was also, you know, parsonally 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.399 due to RAM coming under increased scrutinty asen marched on 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.919 UM with Republica and Frontline you know, putting together the 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.879 you know, wildly appraised pieces on the group, you know, 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.040 despite you know, the research themselves being based on it. 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.880 UH and Northern California anti racist action and Jacanaan's work. 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:43.200 Um so yeah whatever, um, let's see. So October members 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:47.280 get arrested. So um then eight eight initially got arrested. 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.480 Of four, it's going to get four is gonna get 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.640 let off later um so. But after in the wake 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.560 of these arrests, they started selling free the four stickers. 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.439 After only four people are arrested. Um and then the 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.240 next after the next week for for more people got arrested. 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.080 So then the website was completely it was completely shut 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:04.479 down because they know what to run it because it's 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.040 like it was just those guys like like running the 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.320 website and like mannually putting packages in the mail. Um. 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:15.960 After so they got completely shut down. UM so good yeah, 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:22.000 thanks thanks comrade FBI for doing that six days too late, um, 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:24.760 which which leads us back to June of of of 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.639 twenty nine with the Rundo's charges being dropped and him 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.960 getting out of jail, and almost immediately the ram gap 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.600 account went active again with with posts such as never 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:37.880 take a plea deal, always fight for the truth, and 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.080 they can lock us up, they can lie about us, 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.640 but they can't stop an idea whose time has come. 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:46.120 So that's good that he got to post on GAB again. 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:50.440 I'm sure he really was missing out, um uh run 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:53.760 on gab. Rundo also claimed that the FBI seized all 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:56.480 of like the sold Ram merchandise that they weren't able 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.960 to ship out. So maybe that's true, and the FBI 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.920 just has RAM stuff in a warehouse somewhere, which I 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:07.240 think is kind of funny. Um. But to Roy's money, 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:09.840 Rundo teamed up with a different fire Right clothing company 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.720 to sell Ram shirts and merch before eventually trying to 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.800 start his own clothing company again because he seems really 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:19.000 set on this idea of you know, trying to sell 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:23.520 these clothes and uh and products. Speaking of products, do 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:27.280 you know where you can buy not not see merchandise, Robert, Oh, 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:29.359 very nice, Garrison. I mean you might be able to 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:33.040 buy Nazi merchandise from our ads because Black Rifle coffee 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:37.000 has been in them a couple of times. But as 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:39.840 a general rule, and we're the only podcast that can 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.639 promise that, as a general rule, none of our sponsors 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:51.040 your nazis. Here's the ads. Hi, We're back talking about 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:53.960 Rob Rundo and him trying to flee to other countries 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:58.240 again again again he loves fleeing to other countries. He 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:00.520 has he has whole YouTube videos on that are just 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.280 autorials for how to flee to other countries. Is great? 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:08.479 That that is. I mean, you know, do what you know, right, like, 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:10.720 do do what you love and the money will come. 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:12.960 I watched so many hours of his YouTube channel and 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:17.439 it wasn't good. But man, if I ever, if I 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:19.440 ever need to flee to Ukraine, I know how now 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.439 it's I've been given the tools and the information that 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:25.480 I can successfully flee flee to Ukraine. That the thing is, Robert, 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:27.480 you have to Yeah, you have to fly out of 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:30.199 South America. That's the problem because if you try, if 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.920 you try to fly out of Mexico, because like I'm 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:36.000 assuming my travel flight is going to be blocked from 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:38.960 the States. Yeah, no, yeah, I mean really, like what 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:40.840 I'm guessing you want to do is you want across 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.360