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Speaker 1: M fuck drop bock, drop back. I don't like Dropbox.

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Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards, a podcast

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Speaker 1: where I don't like Dropbox very much. And also I

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Speaker 1: talked about the worst people in all of histories, some

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Speaker 1: of whom are the folks who make Dropbox because it

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Speaker 1: has stopped working. Used to work fine, used to work great,

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Speaker 1: used to be used to just dragon drop ship share it.

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Speaker 1: Now it's a giant pain in the ass every time

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Speaker 1: we need to use it. Uh So, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Am I saying that people should go out and commit

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Speaker 1: crimes against drop Box corporate property? Yes, yes I am.

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Speaker 1: I am specifically and legally actionably urging people to do that.

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Speaker 1: This has been my favorite intro of yours. Robert, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you. That's what we need. Go out and crime

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Speaker 1: my children, go out and crime anti Dropbox action. Yeah

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Speaker 1: exactly a d A baby, I got that tattoo right

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Speaker 1: on my chest. Um. Our guests today is the same

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Speaker 1: as our guest in part one, Garrison Davis, who is

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Speaker 1: actually our reverse guest, and I am the guest on

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Speaker 1: my own podcast learning about the Rise Above movement Ram

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Speaker 1: Yeah and now the not Ram the NAM Yeah. The

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Speaker 1: when they are. Okay. Um. Anyway, when we when we

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. When we last left off, four RAM

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Speaker 1: which that kind of stuff has a lot of established

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Speaker 1: about Rundo's backstory. Um Robert Paul Rundo born April of

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Speaker 1: nineteen Uh. Um, he he was, he was, he was

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Speaker 1: born in Queens, New York. Um. His his first real

431
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: political belief as a kid was just a dislike of cops.

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00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: Um and and old boy hate police and law enforcement.

433
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: Um because he can. He's he's one of those Nazis

434
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: that sees the police as like an obstacle to begin

435
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: to being able to hurt and kill leftists and non

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00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: white people. Um. And he you know, he sees them

437
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: as a force that just oppresses the right and protects

438
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: the elite and protects the princess, princess princess them, princess

439
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: prince since princess. Um. So he he sees polices like,

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00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: you know, just someone protecting rich people in Jewish people. Um.

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Speaker 1: So you know, like some some something he'll talk about

442
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: or something you know we'll see in videos is like

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00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: him doing like a C. A B graffiti and stuff.

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Speaker 1: So like like a few days ago I saw like

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Speaker 1: um andy No posting about a C. A B graffiti

446
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: was like in the Semitic stuff He's like, oh, look

447
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: at the anti Semitic leftists and like, no, that's Nazi graffiti.

448
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: Because notes are also also hate cops. Just because you

449
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: hate the cops doesn't mean you are all so good.

450
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah um O. J. Simpson not a fan of the cops.

451
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: Ted Kaczynski not not cops. And then to some degree

452
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: the Proud Boys now I mean a little bit increasingly

453
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Speaker 1: not fans of the cops. There there is a split

454
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Speaker 1: going on. As we're reading this, it's becoming increasingly clear

455
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: that Enrique Tario, ahead of the Proud Boys, was arrested

456
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: today flying into two d c. See what he should

457
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: have done is he should have gone to South America.

458
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 1: He should have then flow and then flowed into the

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00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: ocean and then taken them both to the coast. Oh yeah,

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00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: can home. But like when I was like deep into

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00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: Proud Blay groups this summer, for like online chats, um,

462
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: whether police or an alley or obstacle an oppressor of

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00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: the right was one of the most like debated topics um,

464
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: but by far the most debated topic on these Proud

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00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: Boy chats were discoursed aroun Jewish people. Um. Because again,

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00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: the Proud Boys are just a fashionst group. Um So, yeah,

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00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: Rundo's initial reason to uh that, he says that got

468
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: him to start to hit the cops before he was

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00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: a Nazi. It's a really interesting story and like very relatable.

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Speaker 1: Um So, Rundo was the young was a was a

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Speaker 1: young teenager in New York. Um out one night putting

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Speaker 1: up some shoe polish graffiti with some friends of his.

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Speaker 1: Not not racist graffiti, just like regular you know, kid graffiti. Um.

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Speaker 1: The uh So, they were like tagging like a bus

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Speaker 1: stop or something, and police pulled up. Um the group

476
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: of teens had to all lay down on the sidewalk. Um.

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Speaker 1: An officer went up to Rundo and basically said, hey, kid,

478
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: just tell us what you all tagged, and we'll just

479
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: write you a ticket and you can and you can

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00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: go on home, no big deal. Um So, Rundo told

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Speaker 1: the officer what he did, and then the officer put

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Speaker 1: Rundo in a coup car and Rundo spent six months

483
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 1: in juvenal attention because they always by the cops. Yeah.

484
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: Um so, this interaction understandably got Rundo to just develop

485
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: a very strong dislike of police. Um and yeah, this

486
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: never happened Rundo may not have actually become a Nazi

487
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: because this, Um, I mean, well, we'll talk later about

488
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: how how the prison system can turn has a way

489
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: of turning young kids into Nazis. Um yeah, so real,

490
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: real stupid, I mean, and like Rundo like looks back

491
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: at this moment and like like last about it's like, yeah,

492
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: I was a stupid kid. I believe the cops. Um,

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00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: you should never believe the cops. Should mean every now

494
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: and again, you know, Um yeah, I mean, for example,

495
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: they're right about coats. They weren't bad at coats they have.

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00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: They have good built coats. They have good coats okay,

497
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: you know, and pretty solid assault rifles and good anti

498
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: aircraft weapons like that. They weren't bad at everything, is

499
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So after after Rundo defending the Nazis,

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00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't know why I got onto this stray. Are

501
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: you gonna like wave your mouser on on web on

502
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: the WEBCA, this is a pre Nazi gun. But I

503
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: don't want to get an STG forty four um, which

504
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 1: is is a wonderful firearm um and was produced by

505
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: slave labor, But the money's not going back to CRUP anymore.

506
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: So it's ethically fine. I think it's actually it's ethnically ambiguous. Ambiguous.

507
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: There we go, everything's good ambiguity. Um. After Rundo got

508
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: out of Juvie, he got involved with the original Flashing Crew,

509
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: which was like a multicultural neighborhood gang and Queens who

510
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: got into fights with MS thirteen. Um and who has

511
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: a nine. When Rundo was about eighteen, MS thirteen shot

512
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: one of his best friends and then in response, Rundo

513
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: stabbed a member of MS thirteen that that he ambushed. UM.

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00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: Runda got charged with gang assault and I was sent

515
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: to prison and was sent to state prison for like

516
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: twenty months. UM. It was in this stint in prison

517
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: that Rundo became a Nazi. So he he went into

518
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: prison just you know, he was part of a neighborhood

519
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: gang in Queens because Smister teen were problems, so he

520
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: was in like a he was in like an opposting gang.

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00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: But got sent sent to prison for stabbing m amister

522
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: teen guy and then went to prison and he came

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00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: out of prisoner Nazi A post post release, he moved

524
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Speaker 1: to southern California and again a few years later he

525
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: would start d Y Division later renamed ram Um. So yeah,

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00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: it's like he got out of prison and like twenty

527
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: ten no in and then in sixteen is when he inventioned,

528
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: is when he started um D d I Y Division,

529
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: but he became involved with camera skins and stuff in

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00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: between there. Um So yeah, again showing how the prison

531
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: system kind of has a way of perpetuating these problems

532
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: and is probably not great and yeah, yeah, I mean

533
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: and it always has, right like when Adolf Hitler when

534
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: he tried to overthrow the legally elected government of Germany

535
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: was was sent to prison for like a year in

536
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: the prison that was kind of more like a resort

537
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: where he got to be there with all of his

538
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: friends and he had his room and board taken care

539
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: of and he got to spend the whole year focusing

540
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: on his ideas. And he wrote mind Camp during his

541
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: time in prison. That's what it came out of prison

542
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: is traditionally not necessarily the worst thing in the world

543
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: for fucking Nazis. Um. We had also talked about ISIS

544
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: and how it came together in Camp Buca, Iraq with

545
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: the US detention facility. Like there's a prison's bad as

546
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: a rule, you know, every now and then you run

547
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: into someone who's like, yeah, that person probably needs to

548
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: be kept away from the rest of the human race,

549
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: like Paul Manafort. But our prison system tends to do

550
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: more harm than good, even when people we can all

551
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: agree are bad get put in it. It's a bad system. Yeah. Anyway.

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00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: Um back back to more recent times. Um, Like I mentioned,

553
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: Rundo laid low from moste after his rioting charges were dropped,

554
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: but ruled around, he started to get more active. Most

555
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: of his time this year, Um, he's spent in Eastern Europe,

556
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: hopping around too different countries. Um he he. He says

557
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: he's left the US due to quote NonStop harassment from

558
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: American law enforcement. It's just sound's really funny. Um Uh.

559
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: Rundo has also just kind of given up on the US.

560
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: He's like, he's he's he has urged a lot of

561
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: his fans to try to leave the country and joined

562
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: the Nationals cause elsewhere. Um. I would quote from a

563
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: really good article in The New York Review about about Rundo. Quote.

564
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: Whereas ram once hosted banners that rallies declaring defend America,

565
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: Rundo now believes, as he told the podcast interviewer um

566
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: in a podcast he was on that the country is

567
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: quote collapsing. He has urged his fellow right wing dissidents

568
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: to fly uh to fleet the United States and if possible,

569
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: obtain foreign passports to avoid travel restrictions like the no

570
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: fly list. So again, this is part of his videos

571
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: where he tells people how to you know, avoid no

572
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: fly lists and how to flee to other countries and

573
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: stuff of um. Very very fun YouTube channel that really

574
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: should not exist at all, and he has like you know,

575
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: naz the imagery and all of his videos. I don't

576
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: know why YouTube still lets him on. There may because

577
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: YouTube doesn't have a problem with Nazis. So um. Since

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00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: this time, Rundos also dropped all pretexts of not really

579
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: being a Nazi. He doesn't use like gard whistles anymore. UM,

580
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: he just do you know, is full is full? It

581
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: is full? It's full on um in in Europe, He's

582
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: gotten an eight tattooed on each shoulder, making um, you

583
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: know in eight eight high Hitler reference UM. On his

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00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: On his abdomen, he has a dagger embolsoned with the

585
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: phrase men no freego or I don't care, the motto

586
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: of the Italian Black Shirts. And on top of it,

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00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: he has a huge son and red on his right elbow.

588
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: So really really really going all out there. Um yeah. Uh.

589
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: Rundo's first notable public appearance was in February in Budapest,

590
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: where he was seen and posted a video attending a

591
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: neo fascist rally commemorate wartime Hungarian volunteers in the Germany's

592
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: um s S Division. UH. This this appearance not only

593
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: attract attention from journalists and he fascists, but also federal

594
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: prosecutors UM, and in March, a motion was filed to

595
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: appeal his charges. UM. Just two weeks after his appearance

596
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: in Budapest at the Nazi rally, he was in Slofa

597
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: Bulgaria um Sofia Bulgaria for an annual massive neo Nazi march.

598
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: It's been going on since two US and three, and

599
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: for the first time they not scalling. The Nazia. Gathering

600
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: was actually banned by local authorities. Just days after a

601
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: fashiont a fascist attack in Germany killed a nine people.

602
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: Um So, there was this fascist attack in Germany killed

603
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: nine people, and then uh, Bulgarian authority has kind of

604
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: tried tried to cancel this neo Nazi uh massive rally. Um,

605
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: here's a horrible haircut, yeah, Londo yeah yeah, no, yeah,

606
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: it's not great. Um. I mean i'll talk, I'll bring

607
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: this up a little bit later. I'll be talking about

608
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: his personal aesthetic. Um. Yeah. So this s big Nazi

609
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: rally got canceled, well unquote canceled by the authorities. Um,

610
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: but people still showed up. There was a small commemoration

611
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: to a Nazi collaborating general taking place during the day,

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00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: and later a nightly uh like a nightly torch burning

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00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: march was heavily surveilled by local police. Nothing really happened, um.

614
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: But at the time Rundo had an alibi of sorts.

615
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: He just started a new propaganda project called Media to

616
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: Rise Nationalist Entertainment UM. Rundo describes it as a right

617
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: wing alternative to something like Vice. UM. Quoting Rundo here

618
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: quote another way, another way of creating a counterculture to

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00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: the left is by covering everything from demonstrations, concerts and

620
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: creating our own entertainment within the nationalist lifestyle way. So

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00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: he he, he repeatedly says he wants to create a

622
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: right wing alternative device, which is a funny phrase to

623
00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: say in the first place, considering how prices and starting advice. Yeah,

624
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: but the founder of ICE found one of the founders

625
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: of ICE founded the Proud Boys. Yeah. Not that Vice

626
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: is a right wing outlet because I wouldn't call that fair,

627
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: but yeah, very still very funny. Um um yeah so yeah.

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Speaker 1: So far they put out just two actual episodes, averaging

629
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: like an eight minutes each. But on his YouTube channel

630
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: he has like dozens of other vlog style videos giving

631
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: different tips on how to travel if you're a terrorist, um,

632
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: propaganda tips, how to particularly your own gang, how to

633
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: interact with police, how to stay motivated with the Left

634
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: always winning, which wall as a as a video topic

635
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: he has is how to stay motivated with the Left

636
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: always winning? As I find funny because usually I don't

637
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: think if the left is always winning? Um really not

638
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: ever really ever videos with like fighting tips, work over routines,

639
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: and how to do graffiti and banner drops. Also, he

640
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: seems very triggered when people tell him that banner drops

641
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: her silly and graffiti is not good activism. He gets

642
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: very triggered and makes lots of videos defend the banner drops,

643
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: which is like whatever, sure, um, but I like. I

644
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: like how upset he gets when people call his activism

645
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: stupid um, which is just always fun to watch them

646
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: get upset. UM. While while in Europe, Rundo has been

647
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: traveling around a lot, but he seems to be mainly

648
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: setting up base in Serbia. UM. Having learned a little

649
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: from his poor opset in the past or poor online

650
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: opset in the past. Um. All of these vlog videos

651
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: has Rundow in front of locations that he thinks looks

652
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: a bit very cool, which makes them relatively identifiable. UM.

653
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: The online investigation website spelling Cat has tracked Rundo throw

654
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: to all of uh. Rundo was first spotted in Serbia

655
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: in March in a in a video titled Thoughts and

656
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: Tea with Robert Rundo. Just nice Jesus sorry, I think

657
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: it's very funny. Don't fuckers take the beach now? They

658
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: want to take tea times. They want to take tea time,

659
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: and this has always been a little fashi. Okay, we

660
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: we can. We can look at the history of the

661
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: British Empire and acknowledge that, I mean, fair enough, but

662
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: I don't like it, Robert, and they're trying to take

663
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: your name your your beautiful first name. So many Roberts

664
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: in in RAM. It shouldn't be renamed the Robert above

665
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: or whatever. Okay, like you I I saw the point

666
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: in what you were going there. So this the setting

667
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: of this t video was quickly tracked to being a

668
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: cafe in Belgrade, Serbia. In a another video posted in July,

669
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: Undo was at an event with with with many members

670
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: of the Serbian nationalist group the Hero Foundation UM. The

671
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: video also features a free a free RAM banner referencing

672
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: the RAM members that are still locked up. Also in July,

673
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: Rendall could be seen on Serbia on on Serbian TV

674
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: at a fascist event in which he calls himself like

675
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: um Roman. But he has like interviewed by an anchor

676
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: at this like fascist on Serbian live TV. So that's great,

677
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 1: it's funny. UM. The next month, Runda posted a whole

678
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: whole free RAM themed video UM with with video composed

679
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: of with the footage composed of different fascist groups all

680
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: around the world putting up free RAM graffitian banners. UM.

681
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: Now this video actually has been taken down from YouTube,

682
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: So great job YouTube for doing literally the bare minimum

683
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: but still leaving his channel up and all those other

684
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: videos on how to fly with your terrorist up. But whatever,

685
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: that's good information. Everybody needs to know how to escape

686
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: criminal charges against you by fleeing the country. Yeah. Um yeah.

687
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: The footage from countries, uh all, so there's countries from

688
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: make no different fascist groups all around the world. Um.

689
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: Countries included are Ukraine Shocker, Serbia Shocker, Greece Shocker, Germany Shocker,

690
00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 1: Poland Shocker, Italy shocker, um, Scotland, Russia, Canada, Canada inside

691
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: the province of Alberta because of course that's like the

692
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: one place the Texas of Canada. Yeah yeah, Um, that's

693
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: where I'm gonna be fleeing is the mountains of Alberta.

694
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: That's my plan. That's also where one of my favorite musicians,

695
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: Core Blund comes from. He's the guy who does that

696
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: getting down on the Mountain song that we play we

697
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: go up to go Shoot on the Mountain Gars. Yeah yeah,

698
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: that's a fun song. Um. And then in the States,

699
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: we have you know, footage from the states of Indiana, Washington, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Florida,

700
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: and California. In US in San Diego and Huntington's Beach,

701
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: so a lot of so get like a lot of

702
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: a lot of groups putting up free ram stuff for

703
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: this like video collaboration. Um. Anyway, in in August, someone

704
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: um shadow boxing and covered up in a T shirt

705
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: wrapped like a ninjamask with all of the with all

706
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: of Roberts Rondo's tattoos can be seen in a Serbian

707
00:39:54,360 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: Nationalist rap music video, which is weird sentence but like

708
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: so like they have footage of Rundo shadow boxing in

709
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: a mask. It's like it's like a T shirt, but

710
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: the T shirt is a Rise Above Movement T shirt

711
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: because you can see the word above on the side,

712
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: So like he just used one of his own T

713
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: shirts he sells as this mask and you can see

714
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: him like shadow boxing in the background, which is kind

715
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: of funny, incredibly stealthy. Yeah. Um, so Runda got a

716
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: little bit upset that Belling cat Keept kept identifying where

717
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: he was. Um So with everyone kind of knowing that

718
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: Belling that that that Rundo is, um is you know,

719
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: yeah he's tracked and yeah he's constantly being geolocated to Serbia.

720
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: Um and then uh So, eventually Rundo started out just

721
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: actually being open about where he was and started like

722
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 1: you know, making fun of Belling Cat for being able

723
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: to like like like referencing Balling Cat for being able

724
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: to track where he was, but he eventually started being

725
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: like saying, yeah, I am in Serbia. Um uh yeah.

726
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: So in September, in a podcast appearance, he actually said

727
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: that he had left Serbia. Now, so he's saying, oh, yeah,

728
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: I was in Serbia. Belling Cat tracked me. They're they're

729
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: they're stupid. I hate bell and get whatever. But now

730
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: I have left Serbia. Um. Except in the video he

731
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: posted on October one, sitting on a lake instead lake

732
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: got geo located by Belling Cats to lake uh per

733
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: Us in Serbia. So's if people who are good at

734
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: geo locating want to know where you are, and you

735
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: post any pictures outside in a decent number of different

736
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: pictures you could post inside, they will find you. I

737
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: I did this later on, which we'll we'll talk about

738
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: at the end of the episode. Um, because I know

739
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: where he is now. Um yeah yeah, So very fun

740
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 1: he got after he said he left Serbia, he got

741
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: tracked to being in Serbia again like the next month.

742
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: Um in October twenty. On October, Rundo posted a photo

743
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: on his Telegram channel of an anti Antifa, anti BLM,

744
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: anti drug sticker that he had presumably put up on

745
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: a bus stop. UM. A journalistipe a journal side belling

746
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: Cat recognized some of the background in the photo. Actually

747
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: wants to confirm the spot in person the next day,

748
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was the same spot in the middle

749
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: of downtown Belgrade in Yeah. So with enough online digging,

750
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: social media uh and on social media stocking, people at

751
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: Bellingcat were able to learn a bit more about the

752
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: video production of of Rundo's Media to Rise project and

753
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: find a few of the locations and other videos. UM.

754
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: I'll quote from a from a Bellycat article from November. UM.

755
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: On October, Luke, oh boy, this is a rough last name.

756
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: Lu Luca karadzu Zisky. You know, yeah, the footsteps of

757
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: Robert Evans anyway, Um October this Luca guy Um, a

758
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: nineteen year old Belgrade videographer, photographer and web designer, posted

759
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: a public Instagram story UM showing Rabbit Rundo being interviewed

760
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: by an unknown TV crew. UM. This guy lists w

761
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: W two are the official short name of Rundo's company.

762
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: Was just like a will to rise um. He he

763
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: posted that as a client on this On his personal

764
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: website UM and he listed the and he was listed

765
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: as the creator of a few of these videos that

766
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: Rundo was posting. UM a quote from this guy he

767
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: after he got interviewed by Belling Cat via email, UM

768
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: Rob Rondo reach out to me looking for looking for

769
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: someone to hire who can do good enough videos and photos. Um.

770
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: He added that quote. I'm not much into political things.

771
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: I was just hired by Rundo to record a few

772
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: behind the scenes videos. UM. In the background of the

773
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: Instagram story near the end, the words Smurfa Kappa, uh God,

774
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: smurfit Kappa whatever can be the key garrison. We don't

775
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: know how to pronounce something is just to barrel on

776
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 1: ahead with confidence and assume that you can retroactively make

777
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: it right. I've changed the pronunciations of dozens of words

778
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: for everyone in the world. Now, that's probably true to

779
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: some degree. You have to you you just have to

780
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: be confident and know that you're right, no matter what

781
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: the truth is. Yeah, it doesn't matter that her name

782
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: is Ariana Grande. She'll be Arianna Granda Robert exactly. That's

783
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: why everyone calls Ariana grand now because of confidence. What's

784
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: what's the what's the fake? Beyonce from the from the

785
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: UM Christmas episode. UM. Anyway, this smurfit Kappa UM is

786
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: a European paper manufacturer whose factory is in um UH

787
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: Belgrade and so then this was thanks to this about

788
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: Milly Hat was able to delocate the exact location of

789
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: the video to a nearby site along the river that

790
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: goes through UH, that goes through Belgrad Uh. They visited

791
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: the site in person, confirming this was not only the

792
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: indeed the side of the h indeed the side of

793
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: the video, but the location also had free RAM graffiti

794
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: beside it and featured RAM social media events we advertised UM.

795
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: And so, after after repeatedly being shown to be in Serbia,

796
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: particular particularly Belgrad UM, on November eight, Rundo posted a

797
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: video to his telegram. But he opens by saying, so

798
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: we're here in Belgrade, you know, cleaning up the neighborhood,

799
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: doing some beautiful artwork for the locals as he surrounded

800
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: as he's surrounded by fascist graffiti. UM that he does

801
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: just a tour of the area. So yeah, UM, But

802
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: Rob Rundo is looking for more than more than an

803
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: extended vacation. It's quite likely he's trying to look for

804
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: legal residency here in Serbia because, per public records, Rundo

805
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: incorporated in LLC and Serbia back in July with the

806
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: name will to Rise, the same name as his new

807
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: athletic fascist clothing company, fucking Christ Gave. Doesn't he know

808
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: that his hair cut is like not cute and that

809
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: he should just stop and try to be a Serbia

810
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: I can give you one of his phone numbers and

811
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: you can send him a message if you want. Yeah,

812
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: we could. We could call him on the show and

813
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: is not cute and not like I don't want you

814
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: also are used to the leg day. I've noticed your

815
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: legs are not your legs. Man. He might leap right

816
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: through that phone and go after you. Garrison for all

817
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: the police lines. Uh yeah. So via via via public records,

818
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: people were able to find two addresses for Rondo in Serbia.

819
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 1: Quoting belling Cat again, um um, quoting belling Cat again.

820
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: But Rundo's incorporation of a company in Serbia may not

821
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: simply be for business purposes. In Serbia, a foreigner who

822
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: incorporates a company can apply for temporary residency for up

823
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: to a year at a time, and can then renew

824
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: this residency with a new application every year. In short,

825
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: this would allow Undo to build a semi permanent legal

826
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: based in a European country without having to worry about

827
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: visa free regulations that limit American citizens to spending no

828
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: more than ninety days UH in Serbia within a half

829
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: a year period. So he's basically trying to move to

830
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: Serbia permanently um and maybe trying to get out of

831
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 1: legal prosecution in the States if his chargers get appealed.

832
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: This is a little bit unclear because Serbia's extradition policy

833
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: is like brand new and it's never been used before,

834
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: so we don't we know the details of his would

835
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: not advertise his clothing line on our show, We're not,

836
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: but do you know what we will advertise Sophie Black

837
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: Rifle Coffee, maybe Black Riple Coffee, and all of the

838
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: other fine sponsors of the podcast, including accidental and intentional sponsors.

839
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: Perhaps we Work. Maybe that was funny. I mean, I

840
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: enjoy I I'm okay with the wee Work ads because

841
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: they're trash, but they're also doomed thanks to the virus,

842
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: So we're just taking some of their last money before

843
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: they snack, So you work, or you're fucking water infused

844
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: with fruit that you give people. I don't think they're

845
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: providing that anymore. Yeah, probably not. Probably. My My favorite

846
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: ad was when you talked about Michael Bloomberg on the

847
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: show and then like immediately after bad played, which was

848
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: was perfect. We gladly took his money. To be honest,

849
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: I bought some ship he would have hated with his money. Well,

850
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: here's here's some more ads, hopefully from Michael Bloomberg. He's

851
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: running stef he's still running presidential ads. Now, it should

852
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: be great. You would anyway, Yeah, what what? What? A

853
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: thrilling ad from Mr from Mr Bloomberg, airing in January

854
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: or January or February, dropped a lot more f bombs

855
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:58,959
Speaker 1: than I expected. I just enjoyed Garrison like stuttering through

856
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: saying oh Mike, but like with authority. I mean yeah,

857
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: I was channeling my Michael Bloomberg and my Joe Biden.

858
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: Really good. Yeah, they all just got younger, and Garrison

859
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: visibly aged by years. That's well, that's probably good. I

860
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: can hide and alberta easier now if I look less

861
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: like a twink, it'll be easier to blend in all right,

862
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: um anyway, anyway, Um, as I mentioned Will to Rise,

863
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: Rundo's new lifestyle brand of fascism, it's it's just the

864
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: right brand clothing company all over again, but even more

865
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: openly fashy. They had the same like ethical supply chain

866
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: line for this time with this description, um I Will

867
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: to Rise. We make all of our We make sure

868
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: all of our products and designs are created by those

869
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: who share our values and identities. All products are made

870
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: in Eastern Europe, so not a single hand touches the

871
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: production line that is not like my own. In doing this,

872
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: we keep our people employed and keep all funds within

873
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: our ranks, something not many other brands can claim. So good,

874
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: it's like not aesthetically cute and just as like just

875
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: like the font is like too big for there are

876
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: looking at the World to Rise website. Yeah, it's just

877
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: like not. I would not wear it. My favorite thing

878
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: about the World to Rise website is that I don't

879
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: know what problem it has, but it takes like ten

880
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 1: seconds to load every time I change. It's very slow.

881
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: It's not great, it's very slow. It's very it's very

882
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: very very I'm gonna text you a picture of my

883
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: last favorite shirt for you to observe. I'll talk about

884
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: some shirts here. Yeah, I'll talk about some shirts right now.

885
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: Um please please Carrison really ugly. Yeah. So on the

886
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: site they sell, they sell ram shirts. Um, they sell

887
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: white Rex shirts with a sorry I'm gonna I'm gonna

888
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 1: friends them fallon filan flame anyway, the Spanish fashion symbol. Wow,

889
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: that's a hideous shirt. Yes, it is criminal one, the

890
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: criminal shirt where the fine criminal shirt? Yeah, that was

891
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: pretty good. It's just like and like the person who's

892
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: modeling it doesn't help. Can I just say? I mean

893
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: they have very fashy tattoos, they very fashy's hat twos

894
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: and clearly are wearing the wrong side they have. They

895
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: have a they have a reject poison embrace struggle shirts,

896
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 1: which is like, you know, a straight eded shirt. Um,

897
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: that's good. Um do you do you have? Do you

898
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: see their old ideals new style shirt? I'm seeing the

899
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: Aggressive Clothing Company shirt. I'm also the one. I'm What

900
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying is for the thought criminal shirt. The text

901
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: below it. We have all committed the crime of having

902
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: too much to think, so we've been brand thought criminals

903
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: who made this website skirts a sentence from the thought

904
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: criminals maybe should have spent some time thinking about how

905
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: to write a fucking sentence. Yeah, but the website is

906
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: very poorly coded. It takes it's very slow. Um they

907
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: what what old ideas news style? You fucking look so

908
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, Oh it's great. That's really good. Yeahbert, Robert,

909
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 1: Robert people the one I just said, it's pretty fucking

910
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're like, you know what for this one?

911
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: The model should have no tattoos. Oh, it's very good.

912
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: That's so many news style. Is that like a boxer? Yeah,

913
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 1: it is a boxer okay, and he's like all Greek

914
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: and on the on the on the Navy version of

915
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: the shirt, and you can see Rob Bundo modeling himself

916
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: with a backwards baseball cap and sunglasses, um with his

917
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: son and red tattoo on the side. Yeah, amazing, absolutely

918
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: all the thought, the thought of the thought criminal shirt

919
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: is very fun. It's yeah, the guy has very large

920
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: pecks and it looks very silly. Yeah, he's he's wearing

921
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: a deliberately too tight shirt of several like really awkward

922
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: fitting like cargar joggers, and like they have a so

923
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: they have a bottoms section of the website, which I

924
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: think is a very funny name to do. Um and

925
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: they also sell custom Rhodesian shorts. Um. Yeah, I see that.

926
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: And the guy, the guy definitely definitely skipped like days.

927
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 1: We've talked about the Rhodesians a few times on this

928
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: show and how it was a white supremacist utopia in

929
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: Africa that lost a war to continue existing when they

930
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: accidentally put all of their oil in one place and

931
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: they got blown up. The Rhodesians military famously wore like

932
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,959
Speaker 1: very short shorts into combat for a period of time,

933
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: and so white nationalists love Rhodesian shorts. The funny thing

934
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: about the rhodes and shorts is that the Rhodesian military

935
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: band their soldiers from wearing them because they're very very

936
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: white legs made it incredibly easy to spot them in

937
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: the bush and they kept getting shot to death. You

938
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: need to check out you need to check out the

939
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: shorts on the website because they are very short and

940
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: you can see everyone's very white legs and it's great

941
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: and that way you can shoot them in the bushmore Eason,

942
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: I support the shorts, no notes, Yeah, Rhodesian shorts were

943
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: a secret comrade. This is such a weird photospoul, the

944
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: one where you can see that this guy skipped leg

945
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: to day and also has it not nice bum like

946
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: it's just like well shaped all and Sophie never butt

947
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: shames on the pot. I am probe, I am pro

948
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: but all the way. But this is not for being

949
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: in for being in a section called called bottoms. The

950
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: it's not it's not that it's very flat. And also

951
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: if you look at the lower left calf, he has

952
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: a very did son in red tattoo that just looks

953
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: ugly like it's it's just it's it's half faded, so

954
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 1: it looks just really aesthetically unpleasing. In the not great

955
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: bum photo, I do like that there's like a like

956
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: he's like gripping his fists. Yes he is, he is.

957
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: He's he's holding something. He's holding a black thing. I

958
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, maybe a phone. I mean,

959
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: I was going to be really inappropriate, but maybe I shouldn't.

960
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: Now I'm eighteen. Now it's fine, that's right. I forgot

961
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: that you're of legal age. I mean it's just like

962
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: he's holding like I don't know it's just like his

963
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: really tiny balls that he clearly has caught. I don't know.

964
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot happening. Okay, that one in a different

965
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: direction than I thought. She's like not it. Also the

966
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: crotch shot shot it's bad like normally, like you know,

967
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: it's like Mike Penn's getting the COVID vaccine bad in

968
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: the like ripples. But you can clearly tell not, no,

969
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: that's not good. Scaped lug day, what day? And this

970
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: is what happened? Um. So yeah, they sell the rotation shorts, um,

971
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: a myriad of fascist stickers, lots of fascist nography. In fact,

972
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 1: if you look at the sticker resection of the website,

973
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: they've actually blowed out a lot of symbols on the

974
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: website itself because they like, I guess we'll get in

975
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: trouble they display them. I don't know. Um, well, I

976
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: think that's fun. Um. But they also sell shirts from

977
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: Pride from from Pride France, another uh Nazi m M

978
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: A brand with a with a with us. The shirt

979
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: has a son and rad and a raccoon that says

980
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: respect nature, which again ties into Julius Sabola and eco fascism,

981
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: which I'll talk about later towards the end. Um. Try,

982
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm not not not thrilled about um, but yeah, they

983
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: sell stuff from a whole bunch of other fascist companies

984
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: as well on their on their own website. Um yeah

985
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: like um, but all right, let's let's do let's do it.

986
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: We're near into the end here, so let's do a

987
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: retrospective on Rondo. So looking looking at Rundow now, is

988
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: he's very different than the Rundo circuity seventeen. He's he's

989
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: no longer clamoring to get into fist pights with fist pips,

990
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: with teenagers in black block. He's carefully trying to craft

991
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: an aesthetic of fascism that hasn't quite gained popularity in

992
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: the States yet, but I think one that very well could. Um,

993
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: if you look at his more recent videos compared to

994
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: his past videos, he's still trying to He's still trying

995
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: to offer he's still trying to offer an alternative to

996
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: the nerdy meme based right and the Larpie tactical militia right.

997
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: But instead of just focusing on physically confronting your ideological enemies,

998
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: as Ram used to say, Um, there's more of a

999
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: focus on encouraging classic real world propaganda techniques like street graffiti,

1000
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: banner drops, and advising younger guys to get off the

1001
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: internet more um and to create smaller crews of like

1002
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: minded Nazis in real life to accomplish various direct actions UM,

1003
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: you know, beyond just fighting Antifa. UM. Quoting from a

1004
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: really good article in the new in the new Ark

1005
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: Review by a great journalist named Ali Winston, uh quote.

1006
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: It remains to be seen what Rundo does with all

1007
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: of this Eastern European education on how to be structured,

1008
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: said a long time investigative, said a long time investigator

1009
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: of white power groups who who was not authorized to

1010
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: speak on the record, but in recent In recent interviews,

1011
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: the investigator noted that Pierce Undo's approach to organizing has

1012
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: grown more sophisticated. He's quote maturing, the investigator said, comparing

1013
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: Rundo now to Thomas Metzer, the former klansman and founder

1014
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: of the group White Arean Resistance. Who's who's an ideologue

1015
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: revered by the Hammerskins and other skinhead groups. So we

1016
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: we and I think that's accurate. We have really seen

1017
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: a maturing of Rundo. UM in the past few years.

1018
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: If you look at the stuff he puts out now

1019
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: compart the stuff he puts out in seen, um, he

1020
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: is much more polished. He's much more kind of put

1021
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: together and trying to be more of like a mentor

1022
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: figure um to you know, younger guys as opposed to

1023
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: like this like street brawler um. And even now I

1024
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: can see Ram's influence spreading in the in in in

1025
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: the young new right in the States. When Rounde got

1026
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: out of jail, he connected and seemingly mentored a fascist

1027
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: youth organization called Revolt through Tradition UM. From what I

1028
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: can tell, Revolt which if you if you're familiar with

1029
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: Uprising a guide from Portland's UM, Revolt through Tradition, it's

1030
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: essentially the fascist Why I left from what I can

1031
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: kind of gather here, Yeah, yeah, because like they have

1032
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the same aesthetics. They're kind of you know,

1033
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: anti modernism, anti tech. I I don't want to say

1034
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: anti sieve because they're anti civilization, but they're but they're

1035
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: they're anti modern society in the same way you know,

1036
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: a fascist is in terms of like a fascist like

1037
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: a Julius Savola fascist, which I might very well write

1038
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: a bachar Baschard's episode on Later because I I think,

1039
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, his influence on RAM and stuff like Revolt

1040
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: through Tradition is uh is going to be more concerning

1041
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: when I see like intersection with eco fascism and this

1042
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: kind of you know, very direct action based kind of

1043
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: fashionst a Vola a little bit on our Savitri dev episodes.

1044
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: And he's someone who worries me a lot bigause I mean,

1045
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: for one thing, he's Steve Bannon's favorite philosopher. Like he's

1046
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: actually extremely influential um but not in a way like

1047
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: he like the vast majority of people, even people who

1048
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: consider themselves knowledgeable about fascism have never heard his name

1049
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: because he's he's not like a very showy influencer, but

1050
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: he influences people that you do know, and he's yeah,

1051
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: he's he's a very serious person to be concerned about.

1052
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been dead for years, but his ideas,

1053
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: his writing, Yeah, I mean Amazon sells tons of Evola books,

1054
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: which is very bad. It's great they they what they like.

1055
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: They feature his book a handbook for right wing youth,

1056
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: which they should not be selling. It's a very dangerous

1057
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: text that should not be sold on Amazon. Like that

1058
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be happening. That's very bad. Um. Yeah, shocker, he's

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01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: he's a big supporter of revolting through Tradition. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: Revolt has released a few videos very you know, reminiscent

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01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: of rams early stuff, while also drawing a little bit

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01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: from Adam offin style videos. Um. But you know they

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01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: practice physical training. Um, except they've learned from Ram's mistakes

1064
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: and in all the videos they're wearing as sensibly black

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Speaker 1: block um. From their website, uh quote, Revolt for Tradition

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01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: is a meta political organization and a movement, not a club.

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01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: We seek to we seek others to build a community

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01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: through education, culture, activism, and health and healthy lifestyle. We

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01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: seek those who are willing to stand up for something. Um.

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01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: They they have they have topics. They've articles of topics

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01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: from like European martial arts to the war the warrior mentality.

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Speaker 1: Here's that again, um, and standing against standing against degeneracy

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01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: and modernism and you know, very much like anti anti

1074
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: modern society, anti tech people need to go into the woods,

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01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, reminiscent of you know, Ted Kaczynski stuff. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Julie Savola was saying the same things back

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Speaker 1: in his day. Um. Yeah, So a lot of this

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01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: kind of stuff I'm seeing popping up more. And when

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Speaker 1: this intersect with the eco fascism, I think we're gonna

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01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:03,919
Speaker 1: have a real problem. Um um yeah. The we we're seeing,

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01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot of in um and like Revolt

1082
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: is actively growing like there, their telegram is very active.

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01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: They're posting more videos on YouTube. Um. I'm seeing like

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01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: their membership grow from from you know, watching what kind

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01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: of videos they put out, you know, a year ago

1086
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: compared to now. They have different you know, people in

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01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: different cities popping up now, different kind of chapters. So

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01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: like it is, it is very it's it's it's an active.

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01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: It's an active problem because they're actively recruiting like youth

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01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: and you know, like um, like you know, teens and

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01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: people in their young twenties, UM to try to you know,

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01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: get into this very you know, like meta politics kind

1093
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: of thing because like their goals to get people out

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01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: of electoralism and go on like social media and everything,

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01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: social media, Facebook, Twitter, Parlor. They don't have a pod,

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01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: but I'll talk talk talk. I'll talk about pod podcasting

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01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: soon because Rundo is trying to start one good oh,

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01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure you should let me know if you need

1099
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: some advice to drink four o nine. But yeah, like

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01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: they're basically the goal, Rundo and you know, Revolt Revolt

1101
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: through Traditions goal is to you know, take disenfranchised youth

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01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: who are you know, on the right and trying to

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01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: get them to go beyond like electoralism, you know, try

1104
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: try to break them out of the electoral cycle, you know,

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: walk away from the Republican Republican Party and start doing

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01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: like actual direct actions. This is called like meta politics,

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01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: trying to combine political activism but not in the framework

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01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: of electoralism, trying to bring it into like, you know,

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01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: just the mainstream culture and how you live your everyday life.

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01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: Um yeah, the uh so, with with the right getting

1111
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: more and more disenfranchised and disaffected with Trump's loss, I

1112
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: can see groups like this growing substantially than the next

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01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: four years, the same way anti fascists grew under you know,

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01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:53,439
Speaker 1: the previous four years. Um yeah, um. Rundo actually also

1115
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: sells Revolt through Tradition stickers on his website. Yeah, which

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01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: I've seen, I've seen. I've seen stickers get being posted

1117
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: in Seattle, all across the south all across the east coast,

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01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: west coast. I'm seeing robots of tradition STIUL pop up

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01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: in a lot of spots. Um. Yeah, I'm particularly kind

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01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: of watching this group right now. Um. I'm gonna quote

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01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: the New York The New York Review article again for

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01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: more on this topic. Quote. Rundo also drew on the

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Speaker 1: writings of fascist philosopher Julius Sevola to conceive of the

1124
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: Rise Above movement as a meta political organization that would

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01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: foster its own culture, making it independent of Western commercial culture,

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01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: which Undo believes is sapping the vitality of white Americans

1127
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: with mainstream TV subs, substance adiction, young food, and multicultural values.

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Speaker 1: Following a Vola's teaching, he believed the right can provide

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01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: wayward white youth with the direction and purpose in life

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01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: through political and physical education. This would equip young cadreds

1131
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: to quote revolt against the modern world in the words

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01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: of a Vola. Um and that Ram ram made that

1133
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: basically it's credo to prepare them to confront ideological imponents. Quote.

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Speaker 1: They did nothing with electoral politics, but they did everything

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01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: with street politics and building a countercall culture. Ram Uh,

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01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: founder of Rundo said of casta proud and Italian fashion organization.

1137
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: So again, focus on moving away from electoral electoralism and

1138
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: doing you know, building a culture within the youth to

1139
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: kind of get more national's ideas into the mainstream. That

1140
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: is achievable not through electoral politics, but through direct action.

1141
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: Um so yeah. What what Rundo himself brought to this project,

1142
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: um was a degree of charisma that made him able

1143
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: to recruit others quoting him again, everything we can do

1144
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: that's outside the mainstream, outside of their poison, outside of

1145
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: their poison, we need to do so again, trying to

1146
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: get out of the mainstream and getting out of electoralism.

1147
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: Um so yeah. I mean Rundo does have a weird

1148
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: kind of charisma, like he's not he's not, I don't know,

1149
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: Like I watched so many Rundo videos in the past

1150
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: month or so, um, and he he definitely has something

1151
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: that he is getting much better at engaging with audiences

1152
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: over over video and over audio. He's he's definitely learning

1153
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: how to do that. Um uh. And I so earlier,

1154
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: um like last month, I GA located a new Robert

1155
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: Rundo video back to Serbia because actually he Rundo was

1156
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: in the States in November, UM, and then we kind

1157
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: of didn't know where he was. He posted a new

1158
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: video in December and he was back in Serbia, back

1159
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: in Belgrade. I posted I found the exact location of

1160
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: the video. UM, and I posted on Twitter about and

1161
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: I had like people in my comments saying that, like,

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01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be talking about Rundo because he's too attractive

1163
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: and charismatic quote unquote, which I will push back on,

1164
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: like have they seen his haircut? Like if you're problem

1165
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: with to look at Hitler? Okay, that was That was okay,

1166
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: But like my point is, like, if you're saying I shouldn't,

1167
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: like people shouldn't talk about these guys because they're too

1168
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: charismatic and attractive, maybe you should do some inner thinking

1169
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: because I think there's a way to talk about these

1170
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: guys and the fact that you're calling it attractive, um,

1171
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: instead of focusing on all the bad things, I think

1172
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: maybe you should do some reflection. Um. I don't know,

1173
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: it's just a weird, weird, weird, weird thing. UM, because

1174
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: there needs to be a way to talk about and

1175
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: worrying about what these guys are trying to do and

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01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: what they're gonna and how they're going to try to

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01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: recruit youth in the next four years because they are

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01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: going to they're gonna try to recruit a lot of

1179
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: disaffected teams and disappected people in their twenties. Um so. Uh.

1180
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 1: The federal appeal on Onondow's charges is still being granted

1181
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: and um and if he has to face another trial, um,

1182
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,439
Speaker 1: which is still a big if, um, because we don't

1183
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: know that. It depends on if it it depends if

1184
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: the appeal gets granted. Um so. But but even if

1185
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: he does have to face trial, his mark has been left.

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01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: And at this point, it's just kind of reducing how much, um,

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01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: how much that how much the market's left can spread? Right?

1188
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: Will we have to deal with only a few branch

1189
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: off organizations or many many more? Right? Are we have

1190
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: to mainly focus them like revolt through tradition and the

1191
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: remnants of ram or is this going to spread you

1192
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: know wildly and you know, you know, impact the stuff

1193
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: the same way like the Proud Boys? Will I I

1194
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: don't know yet. Um. Would his conviction for you know what,

1195
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: his conviction on his violence set a precedent for a

1196
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: fashion street violence for federal charges or when he becomes

1197
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: a murder I don't know. I I don't I don't

1198
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: really know what that's gonna do, because I mean, Ben

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01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 1: Dailey is already arrested and in federal prison, so I

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01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,759
Speaker 1: don't know how much. I mean, Rundo was more you know, visible,

1201
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: But I don't know if his conviction would really be

1202
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: meaningful in any way or if he'll just turn him

1203
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: into more of a marder. I'm not sure about that either. Um,

1204
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: and all that depends if he tries to flee and

1205
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 1: if if which would be very funny, if he tries

1206
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 1: to flee again, or if he tries tries to still

1207
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: still still hiding in in Serbia because Serbia does have

1208
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: a brand new extradition treaty, but no one's been no

1209
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: one's ever been extraded through through the treaty before. Um

1210
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: it just started in so we don't know if that

1211
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: will actually hold. Um. Yeah, So I mean and if

1212
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: and if he does, all that means is that all

1213
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: have more fun and more glocation nerds will have more

1214
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: fun trying to find him. Um. In the meantime, he

1215
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: has like three YouTube channels, so we can try to

1216
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. They probably shouldn't exist. Um he has.

1217
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, they're called like media to rise in different

1218
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 1: variations that thereof He shouldn't have YouTube channels, Uh he

1219
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: does not the stuff and all of them. This this

1220
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: should not be happening. And uh, just a few days

1221
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: ago as of this recording, he announced he's starting a podcast.

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01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: Oh good, yeah, away from our platform. So his podcast,

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01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: he says, it's gonna be about nationalist lifestyle activism like demos, demonstrations, brawls, competitions, um,

1224
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,719
Speaker 1: and how to deal with law enforcement. He said, it's

1225
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: it's it's he said, it's not about theory, it's not

1226
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: about political commentary. It's about actual you know, meta politics,

1227
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: Like it's actually like about getting your politics to be

1228
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: part of just your everyday culture and everyday life. Um.

1229
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: So Robert, for you guys, you know you, you guys

1230
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: have will have a new podcasting rival and some some something.

1231
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: So something for me that's gonna be interesting is He

1232
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: also announced he's making a short film, So I have

1233
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: a new rifle in the short film Seed and he

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01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: said it's a short film with costumes. He was very happy,

1235
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: He's very happy that they had costumes. I bet those

1236
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: costumes are very exciting, so we have that to look

1237
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: forward to. Um, he's he's still he's, he's he's he's

1238
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: still in Serbia. He's still in Belgrade or Belgrade. Um.

1239
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: He posted a video like a two days ago of

1240
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 1: him at his factory in Belgrade, so he's still there.

1241
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: Um and I re located him there back in December,

1242
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: so he's absolutely still in in in in Serbia. Yeah. Um,

1243
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: YouTube channels, podcast, short film. He shouldn't have YouTube channel.

1244
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: So if we can get those down, I don't know

1245
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: if if if we can bully YouTube enough to take

1246
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: those down, that would be good. Um, because they really shouldn't.

1247
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 1: They really shouldn't have that YouTube. Yeah, do better. Also,

1248
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: good luck with your podcast, I don't know. Yeah, well,

1249
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously good luck with your podcast. Podcasting solidarity

1250
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, that's the most important thing. That's basically

1251
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: all I have on a Roberundo and movement, and they're

1252
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: fashion lifestyle brand that they're trying to develop and sell

1253
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: very bad T shirts for and Rhodesian shorts. Yeah, I

1254
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: mean critical support to Rhodesian shorts. Um, real alright, everybody, real,

1255
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: helpers it because this has been behind the bastards. We'll

1256
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: be back next week with more terrible people and at

1257
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: some point in the future to talk about Julius A.

1258
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: Vola or maybe to talk about I t S which

1259
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: is you're all going to really enjoy learning about when

1260
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: when that becomes appropriate? Yeah, really really not thrilled about. Yeah,

1261
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: I mean I Vola stuff for multi tradition stuff. Um,

1262
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: when we get more people, Yeah, it's eco fascism. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be a real issue. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: kill somebody someone listening to this podcast knows. And don't

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Speaker 1: forget to follow Garrison on Twitter at hung Hungry bow Tie.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to buy better fitting T shirts,

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Speaker 1: you have a T public store, so I have, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and of our profits go to NAA funding my gym membership.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's hi, Garrison Davis here with a little

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Speaker 1: a little hot steamy Robert Rundo updates. Sorry, I I

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Speaker 1: don't know why I phrased it like that, but we

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Speaker 1: do have an update on um our not friend Robert Rundo. Um.

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Speaker 1: Since I recorded the first few episodes of this back

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Speaker 1: in January. Of course that that was before the siege

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Speaker 1: at the Capitol and a whole bunch of stuff that's

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Speaker 1: kind of happened since then, um starting with starting with

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Speaker 1: Rundo himself. It was reported in February that here I

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Speaker 1: will just read a headline from Global Voices. It's also

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Speaker 1: reported by various other news outlet's. This is this is legit.

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Speaker 1: Here's the headline quote. Serbia expels us neo Nazi after

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Speaker 1: investigative website belling Cat outed his location. So Robert Rundo

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Speaker 1: has actually been kicked out of Serbia during February, which

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Speaker 1: is really interesting. So he is not going to be

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Speaker 1: allowed to stay in Serbia anymore. He is not he's

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Speaker 1: and he's he's presumably not there at the moment. We'll

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Speaker 1: still need to figure out where he is in the future,

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Speaker 1: but he will probably not be in Serbia because you're

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Speaker 1: not not not allowed to be there anymore. Now, there's

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Speaker 1: a various other places around the globe that he could

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Speaker 1: be trying to stay in the Ukraine nearby and Russia.

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Speaker 1: So so that that that is that is very interesting

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Speaker 1: that he's no longer in Serbia after months and months

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Speaker 1: of reporting from belling Cat showing that he is still there.

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Speaker 1: And then I still confirmed in December that he was

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Speaker 1: still there, So that is that is Uh, that's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's it's always good to know where guys

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Speaker 1: like this are. UM. But you know this, this is

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Speaker 1: good for the people in Serbia, uh, and the people

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Speaker 1: in the city he was in that he's not going

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Speaker 1: to be there anymore. That is that is that is good.

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Speaker 1: The other interesting piece of Rundo information and updated intail

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Speaker 1: that we have is that then in March, so the

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Speaker 1: following month, the appeal to reinstate his rioting charges was granted,

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Speaker 1: So the federal charges he has against him are now

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Speaker 1: able to be prosecuted against UM. Once again, the the

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Speaker 1: the ninth ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that

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Speaker 1: the Federal Rioting Act does not violate free speech and

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Speaker 1: the charges that he was the charges charges he was

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Speaker 1: charged with do not do not actually violate free free

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Speaker 1: speech laws. So they UM went back on the twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen ruling that a federal judge made because very UM,

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Speaker 1: you know, appeals on the federal level are not very

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Speaker 1: common for them to be granted. So this is this

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Speaker 1: is really interesting that he's gonna that he is he

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Speaker 1: poss sibly might go to trial of now on these

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Speaker 1: rioting charges. Let's see. And so these rioting I know

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Speaker 1: back in there was it was like six hundred days

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Speaker 1: from the time that he did those violent assaults and

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Speaker 1: then got arrested charged for it. So now it being

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Speaker 1: like one, I don't know how many that's so so

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Speaker 1: many more days. It's more than twelve, more than one

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Speaker 1: thing more than like, it's probably more than one thousand,

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Speaker 1: three hundred or one thousand four hundred days since he

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Speaker 1: did these violent assaults. And it's actually gonna go to

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Speaker 1: if he's gonna go to trial for them, it'll be

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Speaker 1: you know, upcoming here. So that's that. That's that's been.

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Speaker 1: It's been a long time, but it it is uh,

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Speaker 1: it is nice to see that he will be facing

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Speaker 1: some consequences for him, you know, randomly attacking people in

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Speaker 1: black hoodies um and beating children up on the ground.

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Speaker 1: So those charges are reinstated. So those those the two

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Speaker 1: main Rendow updates. Now again we don't know where he's

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Speaker 1: at the moment um he could you know, best guesses

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Speaker 1: are Ukraine or Russia. They have different extradition rules, but

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Speaker 1: we're not sure if Ukraine and Russia is gonna let

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Speaker 1: him stay there. And we we we know, we know

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Speaker 1: he has friends there, but I'm not sure what the

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Speaker 1: government is gonna do when they if they find out

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Speaker 1: that he's you know, trying trying to live there. So

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Speaker 1: that's everything on the rundow side of On the other

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Speaker 1: on the other side of things, remember are also not

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Speaker 1: friends at Revolt through Tradition, the kind of fashy traditionalist

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Speaker 1: youth group inspired by Julie Sevola. They have now been

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Speaker 1: UM pretty effectively d platformed after the January six riots

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Speaker 1: at the Capitol. And I mean more than riots. They

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Speaker 1: were trying to, you know, do a fascist coup. So

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Speaker 1: all of Revolt through Traditions, websites, UM, YouTube channels, social

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Speaker 1: media accounts, all of them have been joined. They're all

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Speaker 1: they are all gone. The they really the only really,

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Speaker 1: the only thing they have left is their telegram channel UM,

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Speaker 1: which makes recruiting much more difficult. So it is fantastic

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Speaker 1: to have them not be given you know, their Twitter, Facebook,

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Speaker 1: UM and YouTube platforms, as well as their website, which

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Speaker 1: was honestly a well designed website, so that it is

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Speaker 1: very good to see that happen. UM. This is you know,

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Speaker 1: this is a great example of an effective use of

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Speaker 1: d platforming. No one really is making a big deal

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Speaker 1: out of it, no one, you know, it's not it's

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Speaker 1: not like the big show. It's just, yeah, quietly, these

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Speaker 1: things are getting taken down, and that makes that makes

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Speaker 1: the uh, that makes the recruiting possibilities much more much

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Speaker 1: more difficult. Uh. Speaking of YouTube channels, let's check Rundo's. So,

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Speaker 1: Rundo's still does have some of his YouTube channels up um.

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Speaker 1: I know he had a lot, but it looks like

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Speaker 1: some of his previous ones have been deleted. Um. But

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Speaker 1: that's not you know, that's so that's that is good.

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Speaker 1: That is good that he has less channel s now

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Speaker 1: he has less videos, but still he still does have

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Speaker 1: at least at least two channels up um right now

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Speaker 1: on on YouTube. I think all yeah media to rise

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Speaker 1: and documentary series media to rise. So his his main

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Speaker 1: channel was taken down, that's great, but we still have

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Speaker 1: these other channels that he's trying to, you know, um,

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Speaker 1: recruit off of. So that that is the status of

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Speaker 1: Rundo and tradition at the moment um. Remote tradition is

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Speaker 1: kind of in shambles because they don't know what to

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Speaker 1: do now that they basically have no Internet presence that

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Speaker 1: norms can see. And Rundo's looking for a new hoe

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Speaker 1: because he's been kicked out of Serbia. So that's that's that,

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Speaker 1: that's what's happened since then, you know, not enough information

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Speaker 1: to warrant a hole another episode. I just thought I

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Speaker 1: would tack this on to the end, So have have

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Speaker 1: a wonderful day, Um, the rest of you beautiful humans.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't don't try to do a fascist too and

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Speaker 1: then have your Twitter accounts and YouTube's deleted, and don't

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Speaker 1: start a fascist clothing company. Doesn't doesn't seem to work

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Speaker 1: out well. This is This is Garrison Davis signing off.

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