Speaker 1: This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,
Speaker 1: vot bitten, and in my case, underwear lidcast. You can't
Speaker 1: predict anything. I'm just gonna come right out and say
Speaker 1: it right from the get go. This is the worst.
Speaker 1: This is the worst episode. This will be the worst
Speaker 1: episode of this show we've ever made. Because this is
Speaker 1: gonna be like remember when you were a kid and
Speaker 1: you turn on TV and there'll be they'll be like,
Speaker 1: I think they still do this though. There's like a
Speaker 1: channel where everyone in the channel is selling something QVC.
Speaker 1: This is like watching Yes, this is like watching that.
Speaker 1: This is like watching an infomercial. I'm just gonna come
Speaker 1: flat out and say it. But there's some special parts
Speaker 1: to it. Right now, here's the deal. Well, if even
Speaker 1: a small dinky dinky, a small percentage of the people
Speaker 1: that will listen to this show, if a small percentage,
Speaker 1: almost like a single digit percentage, is that right of
Speaker 1: the people that will listen to this show would go
Speaker 1: on to Amazon right now and get thirty five bucks
Speaker 1: and go by the Meat Eater Fishing Game Cookbook, whose
Speaker 1: subtitle is Recipes and Techniques for Every Hunter and Angler,
Speaker 1: which is available for its launches. It's like coming out
Speaker 1: November twenty. If a small fraction of people will listen
Speaker 1: to this, would go do it. It It would do me
Speaker 1: such a huge favor and I would like be really happy.
Speaker 1: It would be like my life goal would have been
Speaker 1: achieved and I would never work again. Has two because
Speaker 1: it's Christmas time? So how many pages are in that?
Speaker 1: But we actually brought an actual salesman who's never man
Speaker 1: how many units, Matt Cook? How many units of things
Speaker 1: have you sold in your life? Not as many as
Speaker 1: I could sell this book? Well, you're feeling that guy.
Speaker 1: He's never touched the book. He's a professional salesman, well trained,
Speaker 1: has never touched the book. But we brought him in
Speaker 1: just to work up a sales pitch to sell it.
Speaker 1: He's working on it right now. But just quick, how
Speaker 1: many pages I'm gonnaty pages covering processing of so like
Speaker 1: how to cut up, how to cook over a hundred
Speaker 1: original recipes and processing in recipe and cooking and fixing
Speaker 1: and substitution information for everything that it's broken down like this.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna talk about this mother stuff for a while.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep returning to this day. M booked
Speaker 1: to try to talk people into just doing me a
Speaker 1: humongous favor and going and buying it. Now, um, it's
Speaker 1: broken up into big game, so like you know, mostly
Speaker 1: like antler and horn being gay, but also pigs and bears,
Speaker 1: and then small game, which is like third small games,
Speaker 1: so hairs, rabbit, squirrels, and then upland birds, waterfowl, freshwater fish,
Speaker 1: saltwater fish, shellfish and crustaceans and reptiles and amphibians all about.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a more beautiful pictorial of how
Speaker 1: to butcher, snap and turtle? No, I've never seen a
Speaker 1: Reptiles and Amphibians chapter. Uh No, it's beautiful. That's because
Speaker 1: most cookbooks suck. I got you know you haven't heard this.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I was gonna make everyone here
Speaker 1: pretend that I didn't tell him. You guys are good
Speaker 1: at lying, right, Okay, so lie for men it. But
Speaker 1: Matt wasn't here, So let me ask you this. A
Speaker 1: guy wrote in the this is interesting, speaking of wild game.
Speaker 1: His freezer. He had his freezer went to put on him,
Speaker 1: and it should have gone to put on him. So
Speaker 1: he calls his insurance agent and he wants to make
Speaker 1: a claim. On having lost all his wild game. So
Speaker 1: he calls his insurance agment agent and the guy says,
Speaker 1: I've been in this business for a decade and no
Speaker 1: one's ever asked me about how to handle a claim
Speaker 1: on having lost wild game, like what the value of
Speaker 1: it is. So this guy goes to the state office
Speaker 1: and comeback, comes back with this the Farm Bureau of
Speaker 1: the State of Mississippi had come up with this formula
Speaker 1: years ago. Lack of formula that since there's no comparable
Speaker 1: market value for wild game, the only monetary replacement you
Speaker 1: can get when you make a claim on losing your
Speaker 1: wild game is the cost of processing. If you processed
Speaker 1: your own wild game, your odd luck. So when you
Speaker 1: lose a freezer, you lose a whole held because your
Speaker 1: freezer goes to ship. Your insurance might own might compensate you,
Speaker 1: but limited to what you paid to have it processed,
Speaker 1: is the only value they all assigned to it. And
Speaker 1: this guy just dropped like an invoice that said I
Speaker 1: paid my wife a thousand dollars to process. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how how deep they did, but it's
Speaker 1: really interesting. Man. He's like to do the road and
Speaker 1: his talking about how you know. So, you know, we've
Speaker 1: talked this a thousand times, but the you know, wild
Speaker 1: game resources in this country were depleted horribly. Deer, turkey's
Speaker 1: waterfowl past your pigeon driven to extinction, Buffalo nearly driven
Speaker 1: to extinction by market hunters. So people that shot game
Speaker 1: and sold it into commercial markets, um, and it made
Speaker 1: a living doing it. And one of the one of
Speaker 1: the many things we had to do to save American
Speaker 1: wildlife was end the selling of wild game. We've up. Well,
Speaker 1: this is a bunch too. Like the other night, I
Speaker 1: was in a situation where I was almost forced to
Speaker 1: go eat pen raised elk. So if you see elk
Speaker 1: on a restaurant menu, it's not real elk. It's the
Speaker 1: elk raised up on a you know, it's the elk
Speaker 1: raised up on a on a farmer ranch. Right, It's
Speaker 1: not what you can't sell wild game. So he's saying
Speaker 1: that this is one downside of that system is you
Speaker 1: can't get your you can't get properly compensated. What if
Speaker 1: you shot the elk on a ten dollar you know,
Speaker 1: paid guided trip, could you turn that in to the
Speaker 1: insurance company. I certainly would try. Well, all I can
Speaker 1: tell you. And this is just anecdotal because this is
Speaker 1: just one mug from Mississippi. But that's what he had
Speaker 1: happened to him, and that's what he found when he
Speaker 1: researched it. Now, maybe if you have some hard hitting
Speaker 1: lawyers or something. But I would tend to doubt it,
Speaker 1: man tendant doubt because there you're paying for the experience.
Speaker 1: But you would, You're right, be honest, you'd have a
Speaker 1: you'd have an invoice, you'd have you know, a credit
Speaker 1: card statement that was the dollars that generated that. But
Speaker 1: I certainly think people should try. I think maybe one
Speaker 1: agent to another may be able to slip one through. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'd be worth a try. Here's another thing we're talking about,
Speaker 1: swamp rabbits, the cottontail rabbits would when a contail rabbit
Speaker 1: ships in the woods, he doesn't seem to pay a
Speaker 1: whole lot of tention where he goes. Um, he just goes,
Speaker 1: what are you cool on swamp rabbits? That swamp rabbit is?
Speaker 1: I absolutely do not know what it's still validus aquaticus Okay,
Speaker 1: the Latin name, yep, Now I'm familiar. Do you do
Speaker 1: you know? Do you know? Got it? Now? If you
Speaker 1: go by Latin, I'm good. Do you know that rabbits
Speaker 1: aren't rodents? Matt, I did know that rabbits were not rodents.
Speaker 1: The lega morphs, they're a laga morphs. Absolutely. So. The
Speaker 1: swamp rabbit is just a souped up cotton tail okay,
Speaker 1: five six pound cotton tail who will jump in the
Speaker 1: Mississippi River and swim across in order to evade a
Speaker 1: hunting beetle. It is a indigenous to the South swamp rabbits.
Speaker 1: We don't have them. Yeah, they're yeah, but but you
Speaker 1: know not they can go into the deep South. But
Speaker 1: they're also found in the in the border country. We've
Speaker 1: been debating a lot about what is the South, you
Speaker 1: know and them, But they're in Kentucky, Okay, Okay, which
Speaker 1: is the South. But some people feel like it's nudge
Speaker 1: and edging towards the north. One time, Lincoln, I think,
Speaker 1: sat in Ohio and yelled across the river at at Kentucky,
Speaker 1: mad at them about Southern issues. But so, uh, cottentil
Speaker 1: normal contail rabbit, eastern cottentail, mountain cotton tail. He just
Speaker 1: ships wherever he wants, right. They don't have any rhyme
Speaker 1: or reason to it. But a swamp rabbit has uh
Speaker 1: fidelity to his latrine, and Janice has seen this. Back
Speaker 1: me up. A guy was pointing out, I was talking
Speaker 1: about this, puzzling over it, you know. I was saying, like,
Speaker 1: when they were in their environs where they live, it's
Speaker 1: very flax. They live on the floodplain, and I thought,
Speaker 1: maybe he gets a log he likes to go on.
Speaker 1: He defecates on the log, and it just makes it
Speaker 1: higher and higher up because a llama, who also has
Speaker 1: fidelity to his latrine will defecate and build up such
Speaker 1: amount of pellets that he uses as a lookout like
Speaker 1: a crow's nest. Fell a fella rode in, and he
Speaker 1: was saying that he doesn't really know about this idea
Speaker 1: that rabbits defecate on a log with the intent of
Speaker 1: building up with lop mound that they can sit on.
Speaker 1: He says that may be true, but he also points
Speaker 1: out that it's necessary for cotton tales to eat their
Speaker 1: own poop. It's called capra faggie. And he wonders about
Speaker 1: if it's not in the in these uh, these environs
Speaker 1: that are prone to flooding, that if it's not just
Speaker 1: a good way for him to store his Why are
Speaker 1: they eating I don't say that very often. Why are
Speaker 1: they eating their own ship? You know, it has something
Speaker 1: to do with UM, has something to do with their
Speaker 1: digestive track. Maybe Yanni can look that up. A lot
Speaker 1: of times he'll ask him looks up up and then
Speaker 1: by the end of the show he'll find it. So
Speaker 1: I have a sales idea, because Dancer doesn't have anything
Speaker 1: to add to the you could domesticate swap rabbits so that,
Speaker 1: you know, like a cat, it would ship in the
Speaker 1: same place in your house versus a cotton tail which
Speaker 1: would shoot all over the house. Yeah, there's a there's
Speaker 1: a there's a business opportunity there. I like the way
Speaker 1: you're thinking. UM, guy wrote in this this is interesting,
Speaker 1: Guy writes, And we're talking recently about um the sort
Speaker 1: of existential crisis that unters in New Zealand and Australia
Speaker 1: are facing right now. Where hunters in New Zealand Australia
Speaker 1: are predominantly hunting. You know, there's like kangaroo hunting there
Speaker 1: for commercial markets like your recreational hunters. In Australian news,
Speaker 1: hunting non natives and they will often ah, they will
Speaker 1: often justify their pursuits by explaining how they're helping to
Speaker 1: control And if you go on social media and you watch,
Speaker 1: you'll see Australian hunters, you know, talking about this like man,
Speaker 1: you know, to say the natives, we gotta do all
Speaker 1: this hunting um. But then what happened. The reason we
Speaker 1: were talking about this recently is because in New Zealand,
Speaker 1: the government who does a lot of coaling, they do
Speaker 1: a lot of control work on some of these more
Speaker 1: abundant non native ungulates. Uh, they do a lot of
Speaker 1: control work on them, and they're talking about up in
Speaker 1: the control work and getting rid of them, and it's
Speaker 1: making the hunters they're real easy. And I was pointing
Speaker 1: out how it's hard because you're sort of justifying your
Speaker 1: activity by saying we're helping to control nonnatives. But then
Speaker 1: when the government decides just to do a totally eradication,
Speaker 1: the hunters getting nervous because they want some and so
Speaker 1: you're left with where your rhetorical strategy right, the thing
Speaker 1: you use to justify your activities becomes null and void.
Speaker 1: And the guy actually wrote in from Australia and he
Speaker 1: was saying that. He says, it does put us in
Speaker 1: a funny position because we're, like he says, quote, we
Speaker 1: are left exposed to the harsh reality of not just
Speaker 1: saying that we want them here so we can hunt them.
Speaker 1: You mean about that, Johnnie, I'm glad that he wrote
Speaker 1: in and accepted that, just admitted it. This tricky man,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like, but we've been saying and I think
Speaker 1: all along it's sort of it's been allows the argument
Speaker 1: why you you hunt, and it just allows you justification
Speaker 1: for hunting. Really, yeah, you can't act like yeah if
Speaker 1: if I think a lot of people do it in
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways. People struggle with you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of it's it's complicated, right If someone said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: why do you like to go to baseball games? You're
Speaker 1: not gonna have like, oh, a reason. It's a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of reasons, going back to how you brought up
Speaker 1: and what it makes you think of and time with family,
Speaker 1: like hot buttered popcorn. I mean, right on all manner things.
Speaker 1: This this is huge package of things. But I think
Speaker 1: hunters a lot of times getting a thing or they
Speaker 1: try to narrow it down or like oh, if we
Speaker 1: didn't hunt, the deer would overtake us and kill us
Speaker 1: all or whatever. And um, when you get into this
Speaker 1: like where it's justified by we're you just saying like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I just do it for population control. And then someone says, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, don't worry about bro will take care of it.
Speaker 1: The government will do it. Then you're like, then you
Speaker 1: gotta be like, man, I wish I'll have set something different.
Speaker 1: Another guy rolled in about uh. He says, a good
Speaker 1: way to have chew, a good way to dip. He
Speaker 1: likes to mix. He mixes hubba bubba yeah with red
Speaker 1: man m I've heard of that that we consulted with
Speaker 1: dirt on that. That's who he's writing in about. And
Speaker 1: he says, the question is where do you get first
Speaker 1: cancer diabetes? That's a strange mix. Another guy rolled in.
Speaker 1: He's like, man, you guys are always arguing about Tony
Speaker 1: Sees an old Bay Steve being a Tony Sees man,
Speaker 1: and you're only being an old bayman. And he's like,
Speaker 1: what about Mrs dash Big Mrs dash fan good. It
Speaker 1: has its place, but it's not like the other two.
Speaker 1: He thinks it's real good to take like fish Filet's
Speaker 1: and put some Mrs Dash on it and wrap the
Speaker 1: fish up and illuminum foil and cook it. He likes
Speaker 1: to take pickerel, acreel. You're wrapping tinfoil, put some butter
Speaker 1: in some Mrs Dash on there. He says, your Florida,
Speaker 1: How good it is? He doesn't put anything else on
Speaker 1: his fish? Isn't Mrs Dash Like, Uh, it's across the country, right,
Speaker 1: and it isn't Old Bay and Tony Sea is kind
Speaker 1: of just Maryland and like, no, dude, Tony seasons everywhere. Man,
Speaker 1: I got on the Tony I got, I got on it.
Speaker 1: I got on a Tony seas. I got on a
Speaker 1: Tony season Michigan's Upper Peninsula. What you can't get farther
Speaker 1: away from the Bayou country and still be in the country.
Speaker 1: I've been well Alaska, I've been lying to for a while.
Speaker 1: Then we used to call it Tony Sees Uncle Tom's
Speaker 1: for some reason. I have no idea why, huh no,
Speaker 1: Uncle Tom's cabin Yeah, it was like some kind of
Speaker 1: short cut. But I still don't understand how you'd come
Speaker 1: up with Uncle Tom's. Someone must have been reading Uncle
Speaker 1: Tom's cabin. Um. We've been having a lot of talk
Speaker 1: about how good how well dogs can smell. And a
Speaker 1: guy rode in, and he's a police officer and he's
Speaker 1: a canine handler. He was trained for two years to
Speaker 1: work with canines. He worked with a German a half
Speaker 1: German Shepherd, half Belgian Melani Melanois And we know this
Speaker 1: m A L I N O I s anyways, some
Speaker 1: kind of souped up mutt. And dog's name was Kane,
Speaker 1: and he was a dual purpose dog, meaning he was
Speaker 1: a narcotic detective dog and suspect apprehension. Oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a mean looking dude right there. That that's like the
Speaker 1: guy that in movies when a police dog chomps on
Speaker 1: the bad guy's arm. That's the melanoir. Yeah, well, you
Speaker 1: know what he's saying about this dog he's talking about
Speaker 1: he's talking about he just only reason he wrote in
Speaker 1: he because we were struggling to explain like how well
Speaker 1: a squirrel dog can smell it? How can a squirrel
Speaker 1: dog do such a good job of smelling worlds? And
Speaker 1: he just brings up away that it was explained to
Speaker 1: him one He says, it was explained to me in
Speaker 1: training the dogs can smell up to fifty thousand times
Speaker 1: better than we do, which is like hard to right,
Speaker 1: it's still hard. But because he's like, there's a good anecdote.
Speaker 1: W's this thing called the cake theory. So let's say
Speaker 1: your mom bakes a cake and you walk in the house.
Speaker 1: You can you walk in the house and you take
Speaker 1: in the smell and you're like, oh, someone made a cake.
Speaker 1: Like that's the smell you get. He's just a good
Speaker 1: way to think about it would be that the dog
Speaker 1: walks in the house and he goes, oh, eggs, flour, milk, salt, sugar.
Speaker 1: And that's how he feels that they're a way to
Speaker 1: distinguish their abilities from our own. Um. Another guy rolled in,
Speaker 1: and here's here's a guy. He's kind of established his credentials. Remember.
Speaker 1: Can you recap the Andrew McLean story, the famous skier?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I believe I can. He was caught, uh
Speaker 1: explain like who he isn't what he does and whatnot?
Speaker 1: He Um, it was Andrew McLean, Right, Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: want to mix him up with other some other famous skier,
Speaker 1: but he uh, he's like a Utah backcountry skier known
Speaker 1: for pioneering. I think some lines in the wash Sage
Speaker 1: and writing a like a ski guide book for skiing
Speaker 1: the wash sage is how you say that m always
Speaker 1: said it a little bit dinky bit wrong. Well I'm
Speaker 1: sure I'm in out of that all the time. Go ahead. Um. Anyways,
Speaker 1: he was caught on trail camera stealing a trail camera
Speaker 1: and a tree stand or two maybe even the guy
Speaker 1: had the hunter for some reason had like a double
Speaker 1: camera set and um, and they only saw one camera
Speaker 1: and took it in the tree stand, and the other
Speaker 1: camera caught them in the act of doing it. Just yeah,
Speaker 1: stealing it, stealing. Well, this guy writes in he's kind
Speaker 1: of like setting up his credentials. He opens up. He
Speaker 1: opens up by saying, I'm just headed out to film
Speaker 1: a dinosaur digging project for nat GEO. So he's like
Speaker 1: laying He's like, you know what I mean. He doesn't
Speaker 1: say like why that matters, but he throws it out
Speaker 1: there because he's wanting to right, he's wanting to paint
Speaker 1: a pick. He's like build up his street cred he's
Speaker 1: building up some crabs. So your soul be like, man, well,
Speaker 1: you guys are camera guys. When you hear that he's
Speaker 1: going to filming a dino digging thing. Are you thinking,
Speaker 1: like this guy's top shelf depends on what branching that
Speaker 1: g O it is. Man, It's like there's a couple
Speaker 1: of different ones. So so you hear that and you
Speaker 1: don't automatically think that you're because I'm gonna get into
Speaker 1: a negative about this, because we're gonna get into a
Speaker 1: negative about this guy. Um he he he. So he
Speaker 1: sets up his his credentials by saying he's he's he's
Speaker 1: a niejair Um which is in Africa, and he's heading
Speaker 1: out to film a dino digging project for that GEO.
Speaker 1: And he says, I get why McLean did it. And
Speaker 1: he talks about he just started bow hunting this season,
Speaker 1: and he talks about how hunters litter a lot and
Speaker 1: a lot of times you'll find where hunters leave little
Speaker 1: stashes out in the woods and a lot of garbage
Speaker 1: out in the woods and our tattered sleeping bag and
Speaker 1: old tarp and no, no, no no, an unusable m R
Speaker 1: s and doesn't like it. Hunters are real dirt bag
Speaker 1: woods trashers, um. And he goes on to say that.
Speaker 1: He goes on to propose the idea that McLean was
Speaker 1: simply cleaning up the woods by stealing a tree stand
Speaker 1: and a trail camera, which is an indefensible position to take.
Speaker 1: There's a big difference between garbage left out in the
Speaker 1: woods and someone's legally placed tree stand in trail camera.
Speaker 1: You don't want to add that here here the lovely
Speaker 1: voice with Mark Kenyon. Yeah, you could take that a
Speaker 1: bunch of you'd say, like, your your car is like
Speaker 1: a hunk of metal just sitting out there, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna steal that to clean this place up. Cleaning up
Speaker 1: some new truck I found out in the woods. I
Speaker 1: think the more interesting thing is the tactic that the
Speaker 1: hunter who has stuff stolen. I think the tactic he
Speaker 1: used was something that more people should use in the
Speaker 1: white tail world. And I do know some people have
Speaker 1: talked about I've got a friend who who was trying this.
Speaker 1: But it's a great way to uh if we get
Speaker 1: the word out that enough people are doing that. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of trail camera thieves we'll think twice
Speaker 1: to do the double camera because I might be getting
Speaker 1: picture we we were looking at. We had a dude
Speaker 1: showing us a bunch of trail cameras on his Uh,
Speaker 1: we were muled your hunting Colorado ran into a fella
Speaker 1: remember this, Johnny, And he was showing us a bunch
Speaker 1: of trail camp pictures of various elk and mule deer
Speaker 1: and whatnot, and they all were taken at a downward angle,
Speaker 1: you right, And I was like, what the yeah? I
Speaker 1: was like, what's going on with this? He said, Trail
Speaker 1: camera theft is so bad in New Mexico that he
Speaker 1: now places his trail cameras up high up in trees,
Speaker 1: angled down. People don't notice them. Doesn't the cameras that
Speaker 1: send the pictures to the internet, you know, deter some
Speaker 1: of the stealing. I mean, you'd get a picture when
Speaker 1: someone goes to steal your camera. Has that curbed the theft?
Speaker 1: The direct transmit? I think that the percentage of trail
Speaker 1: cameras out there that have that feature is still so
Speaker 1: small that but yes, I think that it's getting to
Speaker 1: the point that more and more people will worry about that.
Speaker 1: I actually actually gone to the um to the point
Speaker 1: where I place no trespassing signs that I will specifically
Speaker 1: say property. I'll write and market property patrolled with with
Speaker 1: cellular cameras that kind of thing where there's some serious
Speaker 1: issues of trespassing. So they said, oh yeah, so that
Speaker 1: I can't see the camera, pature's gonna be sent right away.
Speaker 1: That's a heck of a deterrent. And it's true or
Speaker 1: not true, it's true. Okay, Um, you know this is
Speaker 1: take this with, take this with. I'm gonna say something
Speaker 1: in uh, keep in mind that I'm the well I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'll just come out and say it if I could,
Speaker 1: if I was the command master of the universe, I
Speaker 1: would get rid of trail cameras. But I would also
Speaker 1: get rid of the Internet. And I use the Internet,
Speaker 1: and in fact, this is like an internet based digital
Speaker 1: radio program, so it's like I'm comfortable using it. But
Speaker 1: if I was commander of the universe and I could
Speaker 1: make it go away, I would make it go away,
Speaker 1: and I would make trail cameras go away. Even though
Speaker 1: I will use trail cameras, I would like I wish
Speaker 1: they hadn't been invented. I understand that position, and I
Speaker 1: understand both sides. But one, I love trail camp pictures.
Speaker 1: I post them all the time on social media because
Speaker 1: it's like cool. I like how they've rewritten some of
Speaker 1: our understanding of wildlife distribution. And I love it and
Speaker 1: like you learn from it, but there's just something about
Speaker 1: it is like, uh, I only don't like them when
Speaker 1: I run into one. I like my friends a lot,
Speaker 1: I just don't like other people's. And I think that
Speaker 1: a lot of people are getting a little bit wigged
Speaker 1: out with the fact that there's like surveillance in the hills.
Speaker 1: Now I get that. I do think it. Also there's
Speaker 1: something to be said about and I've kind of battled
Speaker 1: this a little bit myself, the fact that takes a
Speaker 1: little bit of a mystery away. There's something to be
Speaker 1: said about going out into the woods and not knowing
Speaker 1: what might show up. Yeah later tonight. Now it's well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be this buck, this buck, or that buck,
Speaker 1: and there's never a surprise. Dude, the buck I saw
Speaker 1: this morning, I was trying to figure out what one
Speaker 1: it was when the trail. So so yeah, you're like
Speaker 1: you're sitting out there and you feel like you're like
Speaker 1: waiting for a friend when you're out in the woods. Now, man,
Speaker 1: I know he comes here. It's like, oh, there's one
Speaker 1: guy and the other guy. Yeah, I kind of like
Speaker 1: I don't like it, but that's not what I don't
Speaker 1: like about. I don't like being out and and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden realizing there's like some guy's trail camera sitting.
Speaker 1: Why not confine him to private? You know? You know
Speaker 1: what's cool? It was cool, but it went away like
Speaker 1: Montana for a couple of years. It had to be
Speaker 1: that when Big game season opened, you had to pull him.
Speaker 1: That just changed this past year. Then they made it
Speaker 1: go back the other way again. Something. It's just gonna
Speaker 1: get too ridiculous because that the technology gets better and
Speaker 1: like people are just able to like live stream. It's
Speaker 1: just I don't know, man, it's just like it just is.
Speaker 1: It's just too much. It used to be so much.
Speaker 1: Some kind of limits, some kind of regulation, we limit
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. Yeah, we need to have that,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I think you can't use a
Speaker 1: red dot, you can't use you can't use a red
Speaker 1: dot site on your boat. It's like all kinds of
Speaker 1: stuff with them. The regulation I would like to see
Speaker 1: put on trail cameras has to do with cell cameras,
Speaker 1: because that's where I see this line being crossed with
Speaker 1: some line of ethics and everyone else. Everyone's gonna have
Speaker 1: their own opinion on this um. But I find where
Speaker 1: it gets real weird for me is when you get
Speaker 1: a picture now that's happening right now, and you can
Speaker 1: make a hunting decision right now based off for real
Speaker 1: time data, that seems to to go over the line
Speaker 1: for me personally, I wish there was like a fair
Speaker 1: chase mode that you could turn on your trail camera,
Speaker 1: or maybe there'd be a loss someday that requires this
Speaker 1: that requires a twenty four hour delay before anything gets sent,
Speaker 1: so there's no real time. You're not gonna see what's
Speaker 1: happening right now. You can get the benefits of a
Speaker 1: cell camera, that being it gets transmitted to your computer
Speaker 1: phone so that if you live miles away or whatever,
Speaker 1: you can still get your pictures, or if you don't
Speaker 1: want to have to go in there every two weeks
Speaker 1: and put your sent all over the place. But this
Speaker 1: at least keeps you from abusing that technology. At least
Speaker 1: I think it's abuse if you see a picture on
Speaker 1: your phone right now and go stalking in there and
Speaker 1: shoot that buck. That's like for me, that's that's why
Speaker 1: you need to when you're gonna do stuff like this.
Speaker 1: Usually the fishing game agencies try to get out ahead
Speaker 1: of it before it becomes standard accepted practice, Like how
Speaker 1: people were so aggressive around regulating the use of drones
Speaker 1: before before drones became super widespread and has so much
Speaker 1: common use. Because then it's hard because there's like a
Speaker 1: resistance built up, and I just haven't seen anywhere doing
Speaker 1: like that kind of leadership. I'm looking like, where is
Speaker 1: this going Where you can be out in the woods.
Speaker 1: You know, you're you go out plant twenty cameras that
Speaker 1: are all giving you a live feed of what's going on,
Speaker 1: and you got them in all your elk meadows, or
Speaker 1: you got them in all your you got a camera
Speaker 1: on all your duck ponds that you like to go
Speaker 1: jump shoot, and you got a live stream on your phone.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're like, you could do this right now,
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, let's go hit that pond, jump
Speaker 1: that pond. They're on the they're on the whatever end
Speaker 1: of the pond, So let's make sure you approach from
Speaker 1: that end. Because there's a lot of states and I
Speaker 1: think more should get on board of banned two way
Speaker 1: communications to like coordinate the taking a game it's just
Speaker 1: it's just someone's gonna have to get out ahead of it.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's definitely my property has is influenced.
Speaker 1: You know how we look at it when game move
Speaker 1: it's domestified, or maybe it shouldn't have, you know, domestified
Speaker 1: if you know there's animal activity in the middle of
Speaker 1: the day. You know, we've never been in a position
Speaker 1: where you know, let's go on, that buck is on
Speaker 1: that spot at this particular time. But overall movement, you know,
Speaker 1: or you look and see you know they moved overnight
Speaker 1: because there's a full moon and you probably will have
Speaker 1: a slow morning. It hasn't equated to success in particular.
Speaker 1: Um it has definitely reduced trespassing because you only have
Speaker 1: to catch someone, you know, ten minutes after they've been there.
Speaker 1: Not only I think you're a freak for monitoring, but
Speaker 1: if you go there and show them a picture of
Speaker 1: them on your property within a few minutes, it prevents
Speaker 1: the word gets out, prevents a lot of trespassing. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's a lot of positives, but just it's something.
Speaker 1: It just it's something that concerns me and I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna become more of an issue as a technology
Speaker 1: gets better. Mark kennyon Wired Hunt. Yep, so you think
Speaker 1: you're wired to hunt? Let me ask you this. This
Speaker 1: This is how the email started. Someone said that I'm
Speaker 1: saying that this is a great question. Guy rights in.
Speaker 1: My dad and I have been hunting on a large
Speaker 1: property next door to their house, almost a thousand acres
Speaker 1: for all of our lives. Three years ago, the founder
Speaker 1: of a chip company, I don't wanna name the chip company.
Speaker 1: The founder of a chip company bought the land and
Speaker 1: he puts a fence up around it for the purpose
Speaker 1: of keeping his cattle from roaming off the property. But
Speaker 1: it's a nice, big decorative fence. He puts an eight
Speaker 1: foot wood fence around the perimeter of the whole property,
Speaker 1: eight foot tall wood fence, he says, to keep his
Speaker 1: cattle in. The guy still allowed to hunt it. But
Speaker 1: he's always been uneasy with the idea of hunting high fence.
Speaker 1: So here is he's always hunted a property. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden it becomes fenced. They go in there last
Speaker 1: year on opening weekend. They both get to get a deer,
Speaker 1: and then they got and they agreed not to hunt anymore.
Speaker 1: They just can't decide he says, he still goes in
Speaker 1: there to trap. He goes in there too, small game hunt,
Speaker 1: but he feels weird hunting ducks, hunting deer on it
Speaker 1: knowing that the deer are stuck in there and can't
Speaker 1: get out. Wow, that is a tough one. That is
Speaker 1: a tough scenario. Can anyone put a eight foot decorative
Speaker 1: fence around their property where where you're basically you have
Speaker 1: captive wildlife vatizing He doesn't stay with stadies, and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised any property if you know there's wildlife.
Speaker 1: Can you build a decorative fence around your property knowing
Speaker 1: that it's going to capture wildlife on the inside. When
Speaker 1: people of fence, when people do high fence things on
Speaker 1: high fence stuff in Texas, Yeah, you don't need to
Speaker 1: kick all the deer off and then build defense. It's
Speaker 1: not Is that regulated by stay wildlife? I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know what the permitting system is. I don't know.
Speaker 1: He doesn't say where he is. I'm more interested not
Speaker 1: to see if the guy's being if the guy, I'm
Speaker 1: not really interested in the dude. I mean, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I'd love to know if the dude is like a
Speaker 1: breaking law, not just but I'm more interested in the
Speaker 1: idea of it. So here is he hunts and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's fence as you go get a
Speaker 1: new spot. That's a really, really tough question, man. I
Speaker 1: feel like if that happened to me, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: it would be real hard to go and like walk
Speaker 1: away from your spot. I understand why. I think I
Speaker 1: would feel dirty. I would feel at least for for
Speaker 1: for me, I would start to have weird questions about it.
Speaker 1: Because of that point he brought up, like, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, now you're hunting a high fence property and
Speaker 1: all the things that means possibly the thing is a
Speaker 1: thousand acres is big. It's big. But then we talked
Speaker 1: about the reduction of mystery. You're never gonna get a
Speaker 1: surprise deer on there again. You're never going to have
Speaker 1: the risk of someone else getting that dear or that
Speaker 1: dear disappearing or there. Yeah, it's still a challenge, of course,
Speaker 1: there's still gonna be a lot of work probably has
Speaker 1: to go into it, but it's different different. It would
Speaker 1: be diminished, it would be diminished, and I would probably
Speaker 1: do the same thing he did think it's so hard.
Speaker 1: I just don't. It's never gonna have to come up again.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be the only guy ever in the history
Speaker 1: of our country to have to wrestle with this. Like,
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for the guy he's got to wrestle
Speaker 1: with him. But I don't know if like us talking
Speaker 1: about it is going to help anybody else. So you
Speaker 1: just don't see it being an issue. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you just had to go in there and
Speaker 1: see how it feels, and like I would just say, look,
Speaker 1: keep hunting it until you're like, okay that that was
Speaker 1: so easy and do because of the decoratifense And I'm quitting,
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta add here that I am the
Speaker 1: one that I use the word decorative. He doesn't use
Speaker 1: the word decorative. But no, no, what wooden fence is
Speaker 1: not a practical fence. There's cheaper ways of doing it.
Speaker 1: There's an incredible amount of money spending on a thousand
Speaker 1: acre fence. That's yeah, what's the typical high fence? They're high,
Speaker 1: just like woven wire. Yeah, yeah, I think height ridge pounder.
Speaker 1: You got nothing to say about that, probably, dude, I
Speaker 1: got an opinion. He's got to hang it up, dude,
Speaker 1: he's got he's gotta just give that spot up. There's
Speaker 1: no question really my mind. Yeah, it's not easy for me. Man. No,
Speaker 1: there's a fence there, Dude, I don't know. I feel
Speaker 1: like I might. I'd probably still be I'd probably still
Speaker 1: poke around in your No, No, you can poke around
Speaker 1: all you want. I just be like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't fence the whole thing. Would you be like,
Speaker 1: would you be like him and hanging up just big game,
Speaker 1: or would you say, yeah, the rabbits are high fence. Now,
Speaker 1: the squirrels are high fence. There's no such thing as
Speaker 1: a high fence. Score. Yeah, because the squirrels can. That's
Speaker 1: that's rabbits. I don't real that's up to him. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: he's got a quit. Do you know a guy wrote
Speaker 1: into you. The guy wrote into me about what the
Speaker 1: gray rabbit? What? What was he got to say? He says,
Speaker 1: you should have done candle light dinner high to the grayness.
Speaker 1: Matt is very very smart. Okay, one more, one more,
Speaker 1: one more real zinger, real zinger. Um, don't go get
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be pushing the cook I'm coming around
Speaker 1: to them. Give him Matt time to work up a
Speaker 1: sales pitch. Then I want to talk about the cookbook.
Speaker 1: I have a question real quick about the dog and
Speaker 1: the smell. I don't know the answer, but okay, let
Speaker 1: me ask this question. I was pheasant hunting last year
Speaker 1: and it was September and it was hot, and our
Speaker 1: guide said that one of the issues the dog was
Speaker 1: having was your analogy that he is chilly. That the
Speaker 1: dog can smell all of the spices, that beef and everything,
Speaker 1: and that it was um. If it's old, doubt it's
Speaker 1: not as hard on the dog. The dog can find
Speaker 1: pheasants easier, but when it's hot, they can smell every ingredient.
Speaker 1: You know, they smell that the plants, you know, they
Speaker 1: can smell other animals, rabbits. Have any of you heard
Speaker 1: that that heat. I feel like I've heard that. My
Speaker 1: buddy Ronnie Bam would absolutely have a lot to say
Speaker 1: about that. So we'll have to return to that, okay.
Speaker 1: I had heard dryness versus moisture, so like a moist situation,
Speaker 1: they'll be able to smell more. And I heard this
Speaker 1: in the context of of tracking deer, So tracking a
Speaker 1: wounded deer or hit deer. Actually tracking on a rainy
Speaker 1: day is better than a bone dry day. Similar. There
Speaker 1: he was saying, you know, when it was cold, and
Speaker 1: he didn't say if there are snow or not, that
Speaker 1: the dog could identify a pheasant scent much easier if
Speaker 1: it's cold, because it's it's a singular scent first, is
Speaker 1: overwhelmed by all of the scents when it's warm. I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I'm tracking what you're saying, and I can't remember. I
Speaker 1: know that I heard when I was running dry ground
Speaker 1: lions with someone one time, with a feller by the
Speaker 1: name of Floyd. We were tracking mountain lions with dogs,
Speaker 1: and I remember he had a lot of opinions about
Speaker 1: the climatic conditions and its effect on a dog's nose
Speaker 1: and its ability to cold trail and hot trail. I
Speaker 1: just can't remember what, you know, like what was what
Speaker 1: was good and what was bad. I remember that he
Speaker 1: had a lot of thoughts about it. Did you see
Speaker 1: the mass running that acts? We liked a whole lot, Johnnie, No,
Speaker 1: I see it now, Yeah, that's the Alaska acts, man,
Speaker 1: it's the old well, what's the name of the model?
Speaker 1: That's that's what one of the nicest mass produced acts
Speaker 1: I've ever laid my laid a hand on. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to bought you up because you're gonna give
Speaker 1: a sales pitch of this book. Okay, here's one more
Speaker 1: real zinger, real zinger for everybody. This is This is
Speaker 1: more of a zinger than the zinger from a minute ago.
Speaker 1: He goes on to say how he hates hunting shows
Speaker 1: that's cool. And he goes down to say, um, lots
Speaker 1: of reasons. Um. He goes on to say how how
Speaker 1: he's heard me mention that if you took away the
Speaker 1: food or you took away the fun, I would lose
Speaker 1: interest in hunting, Like it's a package of things that
Speaker 1: that all need to be there for me to love
Speaker 1: it like I do. Um. And he goes on to
Speaker 1: say he needs my opinion on something. He works with
Speaker 1: a fella who he generally likes. We get along just fine.
Speaker 1: And he goes to say this, the dude is this.
Speaker 1: This is why almost more of this is true. I
Speaker 1: feel like it must be true. The guy is a
Speaker 1: vegetarian okay, but not one of those annoying ones that
Speaker 1: throws it in your face. But here's the way it
Speaker 1: gets weird. He's a vegetarian. Buddy hunts. He likes to
Speaker 1: hunt deer and turkeys, but doesn't believe in eating them.
Speaker 1: What he just donates it all to a food bank.
Speaker 1: And the guy saying, I cannot wrap my head around this,
Speaker 1: and he um says, no one buys a pair of
Speaker 1: pants from J. C. Penny just to take him down
Speaker 1: to the Salvation Army and drop him off. It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: It's now there probably are a few charitable folks buy
Speaker 1: clothes and that donate them. It's a good question, man,
Speaker 1: like you won't eat it, but you'll like to shoot it.
Speaker 1: I've always like it's another one of those things that
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things I see both sides of.
Speaker 1: I can't really work up a good opinion about it.
Speaker 1: The fact that he's a vegetarian has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with it, because I feel like I know dudes, they're
Speaker 1: uh full long carnivores that do the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it makes it kind of even more zingy, like
Speaker 1: the he's a vegetarian, right, sure, a little bit, but
Speaker 1: I think we take a step back. It's it's like
Speaker 1: the same wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong you're saying, Remember, um,
Speaker 1: happy days. One finds he was wrong, he couldn't stay wrong.
Speaker 1: He'd be like I was. He couldn't bring himself to
Speaker 1: say it. I know people. I know people though, who
Speaker 1: will shoot a deer purposefully to donate it, and they
Speaker 1: view that as like a way to give back, so
Speaker 1: they do. They also shoot a few for their own freezer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but why do to just give money to the food bank.
Speaker 1: It's a different way to go about it. And maybe,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe part of it because they enjoy
Speaker 1: the hunting aspect of it. So to your point, there's food,
Speaker 1: there's fun, and then also there's the management perspective too.
Speaker 1: They might need to be taking some management deer off
Speaker 1: of farm or something like that, so that might be
Speaker 1: part of it. But I'm just devil's advocate man. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but but I think that the interesting thing is, though,
Speaker 1: if this guy is fundamentally opposed to the eating of meat,
Speaker 1: so what if his So many people I imagine would
Speaker 1: advocate for the vegetarian or vegan lifestuff because they don't
Speaker 1: want an animal's life to be taken or blood on
Speaker 1: their hands maybe or something like that. This guy obviously
Speaker 1: doesn't care about that. He's not that guy, So then
Speaker 1: what's what's his angle? I don't know. We plant based diet,
Speaker 1: so it's a health thing for him. I do know.
Speaker 1: And then if again, man just like playing Devil's advocates,
Speaker 1: I cause I can see both sides of it to
Speaker 1: a crippling degree, but I do know. And then wonder
Speaker 1: if you don't want Like, let's say you're in a
Speaker 1: situation where, yeah, you don't want it, I want to
Speaker 1: just let someone who wants it get it. Why not
Speaker 1: like leave it for someone that wants it. I get
Speaker 1: though I have a hard time. I I can't justify
Speaker 1: killing animal unless I'm actually going to personally eat it,
Speaker 1: So I would have a hard time doing that. But
Speaker 1: I also can understand people that do. I mean, I
Speaker 1: there's something to be said about helping other people with food.
Speaker 1: It's a food acquisition process. Um. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that maybe will keep a little bit and
Speaker 1: then share the rest, and I certainly I share a
Speaker 1: significant portion events and sometimes too, like I'll a surplus
Speaker 1: and I'll share that, And I guess like it's there's
Speaker 1: some where's the line where it becomes questionable. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this because I'm kind of like the
Speaker 1: worst kind of person. We're I'll share it with people
Speaker 1: who are I'll share with people who are, relative to
Speaker 1: the population in general, quite wealthy. And I think that
Speaker 1: that's just great, right, But then when someone shoots a
Speaker 1: deer just brings it down to food bank, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's that all about? But I'm like, well, man, I'm
Speaker 1: giving it to like I give game et a rich people.
Speaker 1: It's like, why not go, like, you know, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be a lot better to go give it to the needy,
Speaker 1: especially if you're gonna pick up the processing fee. What
Speaker 1: what if someone was like one of your buddies. It
Speaker 1: was like, man, it's last week Elk season, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get out. You have a few
Speaker 1: free days, you think you could, and you had it.
Speaker 1: You had like a cow tag or something, my own
Speaker 1: cow tag, your own cow tag, and your freezer was full.
Speaker 1: You didn't play it on filling that cow tag because
Speaker 1: your freezer is full and if you were to shoot
Speaker 1: another one, you would have way too much for the year.
Speaker 1: Is it a good friend? It could be whoever, But
Speaker 1: someone's like for good Someone's like Steve, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: get out anymore. Yes, you think you're a good friend,
Speaker 1: you can burn that cow tag for me. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: a good friend, I would do that. Okay, But you're right,
Speaker 1: and I'm just the kind of worst kind of person
Speaker 1: where I wouldn't be like, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do it and pay the processing and drop it off
Speaker 1: at the food bank because I'm suspicious to that for
Speaker 1: a weird reason that doesn't make any sense. It's making
Speaker 1: me feel a little embarrassed that I feel this way.
Speaker 1: What's it's because the food banks like the easy way out,
Speaker 1: Like I know I I know of people that would
Speaker 1: shoot shop and just take it to the food bank
Speaker 1: because they don't want to deal with it. Dance Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're helping me articulate my perspective on it, because,
Speaker 1: like I bring a lot, you have a lot of assumptions,
Speaker 1: so in some way you're kind of looking at it
Speaker 1: like um in some way you're kind of looking at
Speaker 1: it like you're sort of reading into their motivations. Because
Speaker 1: let's say you met a guy who's a volunteer at
Speaker 1: the food bank and he's like, man, I volunteer for
Speaker 1: ten years the food bank, and I'm telling you it's
Speaker 1: really hard, like the protein is hard to come by,
Speaker 1: and when we get the venicon in, people love it
Speaker 1: and it like makes their day and it's such a
Speaker 1: nice thing we're able to do at the food bank.
Speaker 1: And once I had that experience, I really started just like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd get to do here for me, but
Speaker 1: I really would just keep hunting because I love to
Speaker 1: support my local food bank. That dude, I don't want
Speaker 1: to give him a big old hug, but if it's
Speaker 1: the kind of thing at one time, let me give
Speaker 1: you the first time I ever hunting Texas, I was
Speaker 1: hunting with a guy and it was like a my
Speaker 1: old girlfriend's dad had a dentist body or something like that,
Speaker 1: and he caught winto the fact I'd like to go hunt,
Speaker 1: and he took me out hunting down my Waco, Texas
Speaker 1: and I got a buck, and um, he comes and
Speaker 1: it comes around to pick me up where I was
Speaker 1: hunting at my blind and comes around and sees the
Speaker 1: deer and it just says, ah, maybe I can get
Speaker 1: j J to take this that perspective where he was
Speaker 1: like inconvenienced by the idea of having to deal with
Speaker 1: a deer in its meat is something that I like.
Speaker 1: I see that and I think about that being like
Speaker 1: a little bit offensive to me. I have a question
Speaker 1: for you. So I have guests come and hunt, and
Speaker 1: they know that I donate the meat to my inner
Speaker 1: city employees, but they they have no intention of taking it.
Speaker 1: They know I have an outlet for it. Does that
Speaker 1: it's still why do they want to kill it? Do
Speaker 1: they really care about your employees that much? If so, No,
Speaker 1: that's that's my question is I don't feel great about it.
Speaker 1: I have an outlet. They know that I have people
Speaker 1: that are in need and very much want the protein,
Speaker 1: and that the deer will not be wasted. UM. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of it's the you know, deer camp
Speaker 1: experience and sitting around and and eating and drinking. But
Speaker 1: then they know that there's an outlet for the protein. Um.
Speaker 1: It obviously benefits someone, they know it. But I feel
Speaker 1: a little bit uncomfortable when they feel good about themselves
Speaker 1: that you know, they're hunting and they feel that there's
Speaker 1: some altruistic outlet for it. It's that's just not the
Speaker 1: way hunting should be. It should be you know obviously
Speaker 1: that that they have every intention of consuming the animal themselves.
Speaker 1: So I feel like I set up an environment sometimes
Speaker 1: that I'm a little conflicted. But you know what, when
Speaker 1: I'm up at my fish shack in Alaska and we're
Speaker 1: stacking up salmon and hall of it, I'm I already know.
Speaker 1: I already know that I'm going to give a bunch
Speaker 1: of it to my neighbors who are hardly needy, not
Speaker 1: even kind of sort of needing. So if I came
Speaker 1: to your fish shack with the intention of fishing, knowing
Speaker 1: that I'm not taking it, that you're going to give
Speaker 1: it to your let's to your neighbors that are not needing,
Speaker 1: does that change it? If? Okay, here's what we're getting
Speaker 1: into the nitty gritty. This is interesting. Let's say you're
Speaker 1: at my fish shack and you said to me, you
Speaker 1: know what, dude, funny thing. Oh, we've we've been stacking
Speaker 1: up sam and halibot. I don't eat fish. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give this all to my neighbors. I would say, you
Speaker 1: can't take any home with you. If you said, dude,
Speaker 1: I love eating fish, definitely playing and eating fish. And
Speaker 1: you know what else, I'm excited about sharing some of
Speaker 1: my neighbors. I'd be like all right, bro, let's load
Speaker 1: your cooler up. It's just like it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like, um, it's not buying, it's not
Speaker 1: binary for me. It's like it's like it's just different. Man.
Speaker 1: It's like because I need to know the more, Like
Speaker 1: I need to be comfortable with the motivation, and I
Speaker 1: need to be like like when you see the fish
Speaker 1: come up out of the depths, like when you see
Speaker 1: the hall of it come up out of the depths,
Speaker 1: Like I need to know what you're looking at. I
Speaker 1: need to like what you see. Of course it's a fish,
Speaker 1: but what do you see of the fish? And that's
Speaker 1: important to me? And and and and so you're looking
Speaker 1: for your looking for like clues is like what does
Speaker 1: this person see when he sees a fish? It feels
Speaker 1: a little bit you know. I've had people that I
Speaker 1: have not asked back because they felt a little bit
Speaker 1: more like they were into killing. And I'm the outlet
Speaker 1: for the ORO team, you know, so I didn't feel
Speaker 1: like they were truly bought into the hunting experience. Um
Speaker 1: So although they know there's um, you know, a charitable
Speaker 1: element to it, I just don't feel like they there
Speaker 1: they have skin in the game. You know what you
Speaker 1: can do if you were a real prick, if you
Speaker 1: got a guy like this, take him he gets the
Speaker 1: elk or gets a deer, you'd be like, you know what, man,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like messing with this. Let's just take
Speaker 1: the head and split And if he says, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: then you don't how to fight him back. You score
Speaker 1: him immediately to the edge of the property. It's a
Speaker 1: good litmus test. I got a buddy who might be uh,
Speaker 1: throw an even different direction into it or different layer. Rather.
Speaker 1: He loves to hunt, hates killing like eats it, eat
Speaker 1: eats meat, but doesn't really like he'd be fine with donating.
Speaker 1: Like he's the type of dude who would if he
Speaker 1: knew if he was on a deer hunt and everybody's like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna donate all these deer, he would love it
Speaker 1: because he would get the aspect of hunting, he'd feel
Speaker 1: better about the killing, and he wouldn't have to deal
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, but he doesn't. He like hates killing ship,
Speaker 1: but he also like doesn't really want to deal with
Speaker 1: so what does He needs to find something? And it's
Speaker 1: so weird. He loves duck hunting because he likes the
Speaker 1: the like an ammidity of when you're hunting with like
Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes and a bunch of ducks come
Speaker 1: in because you're like everybody's shooting, You're like, I don't
Speaker 1: really know who shot what, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But he also loves he likes the idea and goes
Speaker 1: deer and turkey hunting. My father described that about being
Speaker 1: in World War Two where he said, uh, he was
Speaker 1: in a situation once where he like very definitely needed
Speaker 1: to kill something, like he killed someone, was like very
Speaker 1: obvious that he killed a person, and that weighed on him.
Speaker 1: But all the time you spend where everybody's just shooting
Speaker 1: and all the stuff, you never need to He taught
Speaker 1: about that. He says, you don't know. And then it
Speaker 1: came a point where he he killed a person with
Speaker 1: a hand grenade whoa and um was certain did it happened?
Speaker 1: And he says, and that's the thing I think about,
Speaker 1: not just like mordering someplace and everyone shooting and just
Speaker 1: mayhem and you know, but the minute you go like,
Speaker 1: oh man, that was my action, that's the one that
Speaker 1: stuck with him. That's heavy and if I remember right too.
Speaker 1: He was telling me he thought the person was drunk,
Speaker 1: but then another relative of mine heard the story. He
Speaker 1: didn't hear that part. He thought they were drunk, a
Speaker 1: person was drunk and maybe lost. Weird man at night
Speaker 1: in the dark. Yeah, he never forgave the Germans. Have
Speaker 1: I talked about this? Yes? He did. Yeah, I never
Speaker 1: forgave him. Do you work up a good pitch for
Speaker 1: that book? Absolutely? Okay. I think that the Meat Eater
Speaker 1: book needs to be tied in with a guy's ability
Speaker 1: to get women. I think that I think it, and
Speaker 1: you went you went to business school. It can expose
Speaker 1: him to his lady friend that he's sensitive, that he
Speaker 1: knows how to uh you know. It could open up
Speaker 1: the idea that he gets to hunt more. Um, as
Speaker 1: long as he brings, you know, a good meal and
Speaker 1: a bottle of wine to the dinner table. Um. I
Speaker 1: think you could do some type of promotion where if
Speaker 1: a guy does meet a woman, he has to buy
Speaker 1: five more cookbooks. So um, I would I would definitely
Speaker 1: take this on as my number one product. I love
Speaker 1: What was your backup sales pitch? Um? My backup sales
Speaker 1: pitch would be and get a the women to buy
Speaker 1: it for their man. Okay, it's not gonna it's not
Speaker 1: gonna lead. Um. It makes the woman appear to be
Speaker 1: sensitive and cares about her man and what he likes
Speaker 1: to do on the side, and it's something that they
Speaker 1: could do together. I think that uh, gall and a
Speaker 1: guy could definitely uh create a new life together with
Speaker 1: a meatia or cookbook. Good man, I think we've got
Speaker 1: a kind of a matchmaker going male female female male.
Speaker 1: Great job, Matt, I hate that, great job. Think he's right.
Speaker 1: I don't think your bullshit us. Oh no, there's no question.
Speaker 1: I actually intend to do it. I've been married twenty
Speaker 1: six years, so I'll let you know how it goes.
Speaker 1: Uh So, just I want a little bit about the
Speaker 1: book for real, not even of course it's for real,
Speaker 1: but I really do need people to go buy the book.
Speaker 1: And you're not gonna like it's a beautiful book, right, honest? Yes,
Speaker 1: how long have you been working on this book? When
Speaker 1: do we go to Wyoming and crating those beavers? Oh
Speaker 1: that was like two thousand and sixteen, Now we're working
Speaker 1: on it. Before then, not much that was that was spring,
Speaker 1: So yeah, probably not imagine how much work. This was
Speaker 1: two and a half years because that was the first
Speaker 1: thing we started to try to collect, because we realized
Speaker 1: it would be hard, and we were uniquely suited to
Speaker 1: make the book because we wanted to start collecting processing
Speaker 1: photos um and collect processing photos of things that people
Speaker 1: wouldn't weren't going to be likely to be able to
Speaker 1: go and get all of a sudden. So we have
Speaker 1: processing photos in the book of like how to process,
Speaker 1: how to cut up and process things ranging from wild pig,
Speaker 1: wait till dear my ma he mahi, crabs, turtle, turtle.
Speaker 1: We had pictures of the beaver, but it didn't make it, no,
Speaker 1: but the beaver tail recipe is in there. How to
Speaker 1: process for I mean, yeah, I'm not even kind of
Speaker 1: like scratching the surface yet. How to process, cleaning process bullfrogs,
Speaker 1: how to cleaning process squirrels, how to cleaning process rabbits.
Speaker 1: A thousand ways to cut game birds meaning how dispatch cockbirds,
Speaker 1: how to cut them in half, breast them, plucking them skinless,
Speaker 1: boneless brass. All of this information is in the book.
Speaker 1: Hit that book over here, man, you're just admiring the
Speaker 1: beautiful pictures. Oh man, I love it. That's definitely what
Speaker 1: everybody does the first time they open it and skim
Speaker 1: through it. Everybody sort of looks the pictures and skims
Speaker 1: over the words. So we started collecting all these processing
Speaker 1: photos and in the meantime, like dirt Myth has tons
Speaker 1: of photographs in here because he took a lot of
Speaker 1: what we in the working on it. We would call
Speaker 1: them the lifestylers. So there's a lot of like lifestyle
Speaker 1: or pictures in here. Another section that we put in here,
Speaker 1: um and everything. So like early when I mentioned how
Speaker 1: it's laid out, where it's laid out into these chapters
Speaker 1: where it goes big games, small game, water foul upland birds,
Speaker 1: freshwater fish, saltwater fish, reptiles and amphibian shellfish and crustaceans,
Speaker 1: and there's like an extra thing called basic and not
Speaker 1: so basic, sauces, sides, sauces sides, and accompaniments. And each
Speaker 1: chapter was broken out with like an introduction of what's
Speaker 1: going on. It kind of gives like general thoughts about
Speaker 1: the thing, all kinds of beautiful pictures, and then we
Speaker 1: have this section that we worked on a fair bit
Speaker 1: called the Nature of the Beast, And what I try
Speaker 1: to capture in the book and explain to people is
Speaker 1: that I don't generally think that. Well, let me put
Speaker 1: this way. Sometimes like you'll you'll go online will put
Speaker 1: up a thing where it's like a recipe for an
Speaker 1: elk hert, and someone will say, oh, do you have
Speaker 1: a recipe for a moose heart? And kind of an
Speaker 1: operating thesis in this wild Game book is that that
Speaker 1: the species of the animal that we're talking about when
Speaker 1: it comes to say, horned and antlered game, that the
Speaker 1: species of the animal does not matter as much as
Speaker 1: the cut. Do we talk about this on a recent
Speaker 1: podcast episode? Yeah, I'm I don't know about recent. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that we've covered it at some point. But meaning
Speaker 1: a shank recipe when it comes to horned and antlered game, say,
Speaker 1: and in the case of shanks, also black bears and
Speaker 1: wild pigs, that a shank recipe is a shank recipe
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you have a shank from an antelope,
Speaker 1: a mule, deer, a white tail, just doesn't matter. It's
Speaker 1: like cooking shank is cooking shank. So I try to
Speaker 1: get away from these like cookbooks, these wild game cookbooks
Speaker 1: and that and I own many to break it out,
Speaker 1: or like here's the antelope recipes, here's the white tail recipes,
Speaker 1: here's the mule to elk recipes. Because it's just like
Speaker 1: this is a much better way to approach wild game. However,
Speaker 1: there are like exceptions, and so each chapter has this
Speaker 1: section called the Nature of the Beast, where it's kind
Speaker 1: of like tasting notes on all the different varieties, sort
Speaker 1: of like general best practices and guidelines. So for the
Speaker 1: big game nature of the beasts, it's sort of like
Speaker 1: a general breakdown, like what are what are American prong
Speaker 1: horner analope, like, like, what are they known for? What
Speaker 1: are some of the things you can expect from the
Speaker 1: meat on them? Same with black bear, caribou, elk, moose,
Speaker 1: mule de your white tailed deer, wild pigs, like like generally,
Speaker 1: what are best practices for handling them? And what are
Speaker 1: the exceptions? And what it's meant to be is it's
Speaker 1: meant to serve as a thing to help guide you
Speaker 1: through substitutions. If you live in the stern the US
Speaker 1: and you only hunt white tailers, you might be like,
Speaker 1: what does it do me? Because I'm just dealing with
Speaker 1: white tails anyways. But keep in mind that we do
Speaker 1: the same thing, the same nature of the beast thing
Speaker 1: for freshwater fish, where we talk about all your all
Speaker 1: of your varieties of freshwater fish, your panfish, the different
Speaker 1: bass species, northerns picke roll smell, salmon, trout, you name it,
Speaker 1: all of the guidelines on like best practices for handling
Speaker 1: the fish and how to figure out substitutions. So when
Speaker 1: you're on something and you're looking, this guy's got like, oh,
Speaker 1: here's a great walleye recipe, say, well, I don't fish walleye.
Speaker 1: How do you make sense of the fish that you
Speaker 1: do have in order to be able to use them
Speaker 1: in generally cooking, um, and generally cooking and using substitutions,
Speaker 1: Because I think that in a wild game cooking, it's
Speaker 1: like really important to get away from this idea that
Speaker 1: there is such a thing as a walleye recipe. There's
Speaker 1: really not. I would say, there's a recipe for mild, white,
Speaker 1: flaky freshwater fish, for sure, And so how do I
Speaker 1: help you make sense of that? Um. Gambrel skinning, So
Speaker 1: how to skin animal on a gambrel? How to do
Speaker 1: it on the ground, So like a detailed piece about
Speaker 1: how to go ahead and like break down big giant
Speaker 1: animals laying on the ground. Um. And then we put
Speaker 1: all these other kind of like little micro sections in
Speaker 1: here where we have a thing about the big buck myth.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of like even wild game cooks
Speaker 1: always push this idea that's like young animals are really
Speaker 1: good to eat and big bucks are no good eats.
Speaker 1: So we kind of like put that to test and
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that. We have sections on
Speaker 1: evidence of sex requirements, sections on what want and waste means,
Speaker 1: sections on chronic waste and disease. How to completely bone out, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, how to how to tabletop bone out a
Speaker 1: white tail deer, and what cuts you want to wind
Speaker 1: up with. So when you're working on your white tail
Speaker 1: deer and you want to plan out where you have
Speaker 1: a variety of meals you can eat throughout the year,
Speaker 1: how to like cut your white tailed deer up, what
Speaker 1: you should do, like different ways of approaching the front legs,
Speaker 1: boning them out for burger, using them, cutting it for osabuco,
Speaker 1: cutting it for blade ross. I don't know. Jump in here.
Speaker 1: If you need to ribs whole ribs not whole ribs,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was gonna say that, uh, And
Speaker 1: I'm sure most cookbooks do this, most authors of cookbooks
Speaker 1: do this. But I was impressed with how christ how
Speaker 1: did you say your last um who put more? Who
Speaker 1: put more op into this book than anybody else? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: we definitely owe her a lot of credit. But she
Speaker 1: made sure that every recipe in there was like not
Speaker 1: only checked and vetted, but probably three, four, sometimes six
Speaker 1: times over by professional chefs and sometimes by two and
Speaker 1: three professional chefs. And then she would say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm not quite ad on. You know that t smokes
Speaker 1: duck brass recipe, which so far is like one of
Speaker 1: my favorites. It was a real eye opener for me
Speaker 1: because I got to try it because she asked me
Speaker 1: to try it to make sure the timing was right
Speaker 1: to get it to the temp. And if you've never
Speaker 1: tried it, it's smoked, but it's something you just do
Speaker 1: at home with like you basically make your own mini smoker.
Speaker 1: Was by just lining a pain with lunium foil and
Speaker 1: putting lid on it. Sweet recipe, and Uh, I tried
Speaker 1: it and I was like, yeah, it was spot on,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. It was eight or ten minutes of
Speaker 1: smoking and it was spot on. So um, I was
Speaker 1: just impressed how much emphasis she put into that, really
Speaker 1: vetting the recipes and making sure that they were just
Speaker 1: like super dialed in. Yeah, we knew. I've known Krista
Speaker 1: Ruaine for years because the production company, zero point zero
Speaker 1: Production is always produced Meat Eat or the TV show. Um,
Speaker 1: well yeah, they like like Yanni is the producer of
Speaker 1: the show. We work on it. I work on writing, hosting, conceptualizing,
Speaker 1: Yanni conceptualizing and producing. But the company that's done on
Speaker 1: her and it handles all the post production things at
Speaker 1: zero point zero Production, and Christa does other stuff with
Speaker 1: them because they do a lot of food content. And
Speaker 1: Christa is oversaw the creation of the book and took
Speaker 1: a lot of like and you know, and she's worked
Speaker 1: for quite a number of famous, you know, celebrity chefs
Speaker 1: and and other uh you know, high end restaurant chefs
Speaker 1: and took a lot of those best practices make sure.
Speaker 1: And so we ran it through where she has a
Speaker 1: team of recipe testers that we would run all the
Speaker 1: stuff through. And she was also really good about making
Speaker 1: sure that that in going through it, that we had
Speaker 1: recipes that accounted for everything. So we have like how
Speaker 1: to make scotch eggs from the big game section, how
Speaker 1: to make scotch eggs, different ways of handling liver, weighs
Speaker 1: to handle marrow bones, weighs to handle raw venison, uh tongue,
Speaker 1: and then like general things like how to roast a
Speaker 1: hunk of meat to perfect and is one of the
Speaker 1: recipes in here where it's like rather than just giving
Speaker 1: a recipe, it's like how like how to do it,
Speaker 1: like like a technique for how to make perfect roast
Speaker 1: all the time. And then loin and then we make
Speaker 1: sure to have like particular things so like wild hog dishes,
Speaker 1: and then a bunch of bulk wild game sausages and
Speaker 1: a pictorial explanation of how to stuff and make your
Speaker 1: own sausages. How to do burger like general best practices
Speaker 1: and how to handle big game burger when it comes
Speaker 1: to cutting with fat or not, and how to go
Speaker 1: about doing all that by yourself. Um, all kinds of
Speaker 1: preparations for ground meat, ways of making pick meat for tacos,
Speaker 1: how to handle bone and ribs off antler, big game.
Speaker 1: More recipes on how to cook shanks and asabuco, how
Speaker 1: to can meet. Yeah, I needed that one. It did
Speaker 1: a bunch of jerky stuff, jer stuff. I came out
Speaker 1: out of that no feeling like that. Rab packs is
Speaker 1: the way to go. Yeah, Rob pack can me when
Speaker 1: I was a little boy. When you can meet, you
Speaker 1: always browned. At first, it just seems like the logical
Speaker 1: thing to deal. Putting a bunch of rotten meat in
Speaker 1: your glass jar and then sticking into a pressure cooker
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like the logical thing to do, But when
Speaker 1: you do both of them side by side, you end
Speaker 1: up with a better product by doing it that way.
Speaker 1: The thing that you found when you were working on it, um,
Speaker 1: that I thought was interesting is when you brown it,
Speaker 1: it firms Yeah, it firms up, and so it doesn't
Speaker 1: pack is tight. But my mom candle a lot of
Speaker 1: venison man, and um, yeah, you brown in the cubes
Speaker 1: and they firm up, and then you get that you
Speaker 1: wind up with a lot of aerospace and you got
Speaker 1: a top of with liquid. But when you wet pack,
Speaker 1: it's just meat mhm. And I realized I think that
Speaker 1: you're like, by doing the browning, a lot of that
Speaker 1: flavor was being left in the pan and the juices
Speaker 1: were being left in the pan and maybe evaporating, where
Speaker 1: when you just put the raw into the can, it
Speaker 1: can't go anywhere. All in there. We had when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, we had my mom had a canning room.
Speaker 1: It was like the laundry room, but the hallway that
Speaker 1: led to the laund room was called the canning room.
Speaker 1: And my dad had built wooden shelves and it was
Speaker 1: lined with canned venison and all the stuff that came
Speaker 1: out of our garden, and my mom would go to
Speaker 1: the farmer's market and can all that and it was
Speaker 1: like you're walking down a corridor of canning jars. That
Speaker 1: was old day stuff. Man. I used to think it
Speaker 1: was cool. Another thing that people like about the book
Speaker 1: is if you watch media or the TV show, there's
Speaker 1: certain recipes that really hit us hard. Like, for instance,
Speaker 1: we did a hog trap and Rest episode down in Texas.
Speaker 1: In the end the end of the show, we took
Speaker 1: our pigs to a guy that processes wild hogs. Clayton
Speaker 1: Saunders was his name, and Divine Texas and he made
Speaker 1: the best wild pig shoulder I ever had in my
Speaker 1: life and had like that special sop that he learned
Speaker 1: from someone. Was it his daddy taught him how to
Speaker 1: make the sop or some crazy thing like that. I
Speaker 1: can't remember, but I use it all the time. That
Speaker 1: stop is good stuff. And then when you're done stopping
Speaker 1: with it, you just add a little more catch up
Speaker 1: and reduce it a little bit and it makes the
Speaker 1: finest barbecue. So so there are certain recipes in here
Speaker 1: that you might know from the show that we went
Speaker 1: and dialed in and tested and make sure they got
Speaker 1: it right. And those recipes are in here, like that's
Speaker 1: called the South Texas wild hog shoulder. And then just
Speaker 1: how to smoke finally, like and this is one of
Speaker 1: the ones that took a lot of testing to get
Speaker 1: it where it would work for anyone, is how to
Speaker 1: take a whole deer leg so you kill you know,
Speaker 1: you kill a white tail, take it back leg? How
Speaker 1: to brine and smoke a hole deer leg? And I
Speaker 1: think that we eventually hit on probably a pretty failsafe
Speaker 1: way of doing it, the key being you need to
Speaker 1: brine it way longer than you think do. But it
Speaker 1: was one we did and did and did and finally
Speaker 1: got where I am like very confident that any Joe Schmock,
Speaker 1: even rich founder, Yeah, you're not even candle. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna get a gray beer. Like. But when we did
Speaker 1: it with that sick of beer recently, it came out perfect.
Speaker 1: I think it's dialed now so now here here like
Speaker 1: take for instance here, you know, I wish I had
Speaker 1: one of those numbers called now one. Anywhere books are sold,
Speaker 1: you're going you go on Amazon right now, to pause
Speaker 1: right now and go on Amazon and then you just go.
Speaker 1: Once you get it done, just go about your day,
Speaker 1: turn off the go, listen to something else. But I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna so bear with me. So we opened up.
Speaker 1: I opened up the small game section, and we have
Speaker 1: our Nature of the Beast stuff. So we talked all
Speaker 1: about the different kinds of squirrels, gray squirrels, fox squirrels,
Speaker 1: pine squirrels. Right, black face, gray face, explain all that
Speaker 1: get into rabbits. You're talking about Eastern cotton tails, swamp rabbits,
Speaker 1: mountain cotton tails, snowsh your hair is jack rabbits. What's
Speaker 1: all up with those? Then the aquatic rodent sections, so
Speaker 1: like tasting notes on muskrats, beavers, tasting notes on the
Speaker 1: rogue outliers like raccoon, porcupine possum and then get into
Speaker 1: different ways of skinning, so like pants and legs or
Speaker 1: shirts and pants method of skin in for cotton tails.
Speaker 1: Yanni has a beautiful demonstration of how to tail skin
Speaker 1: turned out really nice tailskin and squirrels done very well.
Speaker 1: You can get a good look at the of the
Speaker 1: Latvian power ring in this section how to part during
Speaker 1: and I went out and shot that squirrel together? How
Speaker 1: to uh, how to part out like best practices and
Speaker 1: partying out rabbits and squirrels and the serving sized portions.
Speaker 1: And then how to make buffalo wild wings or buffalo
Speaker 1: hot wings, which are called we call him and here
Speaker 1: buffalo hot legs. How to take squirrel and rabbit and
Speaker 1: make a thinking man's wild wing hot wing? What do
Speaker 1: you call them? People? It's a great photograph for that
Speaker 1: one too. Yeah, the old school lunch tray. You got
Speaker 1: your blue cheese, you got your celery sticks, your carrot sticks,
Speaker 1: you got a can of soda pop, a big plate
Speaker 1: of squirrel hot legs, buffalo hot legs its beer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably like a single hop, I think, um. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: how to make inside matt inside jug How to make
Speaker 1: buffalo wings with squirrel and rabbit, and it is like, like,
Speaker 1: I think that is a great have you had it? Mark?
Speaker 1: Can I make you something this week? We already got
Speaker 1: three squirrels. Um, I will make you some of that
Speaker 1: sounds really good. Here's one that not a lot of
Speaker 1: that you might like the pictures for, even though a
Speaker 1: lot of guys aren't likely to make it, is how
Speaker 1: to fire roast a beaver tail and kind the story
Speaker 1: of how that came to be a thing from the
Speaker 1: Mountain Man era. How to roast beaver tail and get
Speaker 1: the fat out of it. Here's another. There's another thing
Speaker 1: like if you watch the Media TV show and we
Speaker 1: go down to do a small game episode with Kevin Murphy,
Speaker 1: we have Kevin Murphy's recipe in Kevin Murphy's word, Kentucky
Speaker 1: style squirrel gravery with cat heead biscuits, straight from Kevin Murphy,
Speaker 1: all about how to make cat heead biscuits. Then you're
Speaker 1: going to rabbit curry, gumbo, barbecue, smoked beaver sandwiches rabbit
Speaker 1: or squirrel and creamy mustard sauce. Catch a tory. Then
Speaker 1: we go into waterfowl and we got the same thing.
Speaker 1: We got the tasting notes and then the different processing things.
Speaker 1: So all explaining all about like dabbling ducks, how to
Speaker 1: handle and think about teal, wood ducks, mallards, pintails, black ducks,
Speaker 1: widge and goad walls, shovelers, how to think about your divers.
Speaker 1: Where you got your your kind of high end divers
Speaker 1: like canvasbacks, redheads, ring neck ducks and scott scoterers, and
Speaker 1: you got your lower end divers like afful heads and
Speaker 1: golden eyes. Then you got your lolo in organzers. Like
Speaker 1: what can you do with these things? How best to
Speaker 1: handle them? To wind up with passable stuff? Then all
Speaker 1: kinds of thoughts on geese Canada, geese, white front snows cranes,
Speaker 1: like what these different things mean? A big breakdown on
Speaker 1: all how to use all manner of guts from everything
Speaker 1: you hunt, with a big section on bird giblets, So
Speaker 1: how to do gizzard's hearts, livers from all your water
Speaker 1: fouling upland game birds, how to clean your gizzards out?
Speaker 1: How to d tendon Like if you're ever eating a
Speaker 1: duck and you wind up with how the back legs,
Speaker 1: there's so many tendants almost makes it like not worthwhile.
Speaker 1: Oh there's laughing powering there y'all need demonstrated at how
Speaker 1: to how to cut a duck's leg and pull the
Speaker 1: foot so you pull all the tendons out of the
Speaker 1: back leg and you want with a much better product.
Speaker 1: How to burn off pin hairs with a blowtorch. When
Speaker 1: you're doing it my special way of cutting mallard ducks,
Speaker 1: you wind up with a boneless breast and in bone
Speaker 1: in leg, bone in thigh, and drumstick, which is a
Speaker 1: genius way of doing it. Handling geese. How to make
Speaker 1: a waterfowl liver patte, skewered and grilled duck hearts which
Speaker 1: can be substituted with turkey hearts, goose hearts, and explanations
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Duc nachos, wild goose pastrami,
Speaker 1: soy sauce, duck ginger, scallion oil tea smoke, duck braised
Speaker 1: waterfoul seared goose. How to make duck Ravioli's. Should I
Speaker 1: go on, You're just making it really hungry. It is
Speaker 1: dinner at time, we haven't even dinner yet, and this
Speaker 1: is really getting to tell me. Um, yeah, that's all.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I told you up front was the
Speaker 1: worst episode of the podcast. Everybody's one I just had
Speaker 1: to do because I just want people to know about
Speaker 1: the fact that we put a lot of work and
Speaker 1: a lot of time, and tons of people worked on it.
Speaker 1: And it's like the I feel that it is the
Speaker 1: It's like the Magnum Opus. Man, It's like the Great
Speaker 1: Compendium of wild Game Cooking, Ultimate Stocking Stuffer, Big Stocking
Speaker 1: combined with berry white and a bottle of wine. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, you'll sell like hotcakes. Yeah. And and I
Speaker 1: was just doing that really annoying run through what's in there,
Speaker 1: but I didn't even begin to scratch the surface because
Speaker 1: we hadn't gotten in all the fishing parts and hadn't
Speaker 1: gotten into a lot of the hunting parts. Do you
Speaker 1: envision that maybe a hundred years from now, someone might
Speaker 1: come upon this old cookbook and look at it and
Speaker 1: be inspired to go out and try to find all
Speaker 1: the ingredients necessary to recreate these recipes. It would be
Speaker 1: such a could that possibly happen? Dude? That would be
Speaker 1: like if in a hundred years someone wanted to make
Speaker 1: a movie. Um, it would be a great movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that someone would do with that what I did with
Speaker 1: the scopier. You really need to buy three copies. One
Speaker 1: is the present and you really need to have to
Speaker 1: for yourself because it is coffee table worthy. It's totally
Speaker 1: worthy of just having a clean coffee coffee table copy
Speaker 1: to flip through as you're a coffee and and then yeah,
Speaker 1: the one that's gonna go right next to the joy
Speaker 1: of cooking in the pantry get all scuffed up, dirty, Yeah,
Speaker 1: covered in blood and grease. It's a big hardcover book
Speaker 1: with the dust with the dust jacket, and on the
Speaker 1: front is a really beautiful picture of game ribs and
Speaker 1: a moose antler um. That's all man. It's like a
Speaker 1: lot of times at the end of these shows, I'll
Speaker 1: talk about how you can really do us a good
Speaker 1: turn or do us a real solid by going onto
Speaker 1: the Apple Store and clicking the right most star to
Speaker 1: give us a five star rating. I'll talk about that
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Speaker 1: helpful to me if people go and do that. But
Speaker 1: this is the greatest uh favor I could ever ask
Speaker 1: of listeners of the show. As you go and in
Speaker 1: in in order the cookbook. Now, that's all man. You
Speaker 1: got any concluding thoughts. Honest, do you think we're screwing
Speaker 1: people by having an episode like this? No, not at all,
Speaker 1: because I've been paying attention to the the old time
Speaker 1: the clock here, and uh, I feel like they got
Speaker 1: a very entertaining forty minutes before you ever even jumped
Speaker 1: into selling the cookbook. So we did them right in
Speaker 1: a hundred and forty some episodes, and there's one episode
Speaker 1: that's all about people just need to do me a
Speaker 1: huge favorite. So if you do one and one forty,
Speaker 1: that's not that bad, not that bad at all. No,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna complain about this one, then you just
Speaker 1: you're like the worst kind of freeloader out there. That's right,
Speaker 1: I do. It's kind of a concluding thought. But do
Speaker 1: I really want to tell you less people think that
Speaker 1: I'm just really not doing my job. I want to
Speaker 1: tell you about why rabbits eat their own posies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is straight from this is written recently by an
Speaker 1: intern at the McGill Office for Science and Society. Rabbits
Speaker 1: are forging herbivores, eating mostly grass and weeds, but this
Speaker 1: fibrous cellulose rich diet isn't the easiest type to digest
Speaker 1: and by the time dinner has made it through their intestines,
Speaker 1: it still contains many of the nutrients rabbits need. Rabbits
Speaker 1: and hair's beat this problem with a special kind of
Speaker 1: digestion called hindgut fermentation. And short they eat their own
Speaker 1: poop and digested a second time. Um. They actually make
Speaker 1: two different kinds of droppings, little black round ones, which
Speaker 1: is probably the ones we're most often seeing, and then
Speaker 1: a softer black one known as second tropes that are eaten.
Speaker 1: And this process is known as you said it earlier,
Speaker 1: Say it again, I don't. Yeah, coprophagi and functions the
Speaker 1: same cows or out deer chewing their cud. So and
Speaker 1: it's and it's not only is important because they're getting
Speaker 1: that kind of second harvest, you remember that joke, but
Speaker 1: it keeps their digestive system flowing smoothly, so they have
Speaker 1: to do it. I used to know a good joke
Speaker 1: about a man who has made to eat uh another
Speaker 1: man's feces, and I always like the punch line. The
Speaker 1: punch line was I had lunch with him two weeks ago. Monday, Mark,
Speaker 1: you got to concluding thoughts by the book, and you
Speaker 1: know not to ask too much. But if you like it,
Speaker 1: I imagine you'd appreciate a review on Amazon. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: or by two Mark Kenny from Wire to Hunt, thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us. You didn't get that. You didn't get
Speaker 1: to lay a lot, a whole lot of white tail
Speaker 1: wisdom on us. No, hopefully we'll have another chance. I'm
Speaker 1: hoping we have no chance. So we have some white
Speaker 1: tailed adventures today, and we'll have more tomorrow and the
Speaker 1: next day. And you had what he called his number
Speaker 1: one best day of deer hunting ever today. We should
Speaker 1: tease that. Listen to a future episode to find out
Speaker 1: what happened Ridge Pounder by the book? Man's it just
Speaker 1: by it? By a couple of copies? Do you think
Speaker 1: they should do it just because I'm begging it? Like?
Speaker 1: Is it that? Like? No, they should do it because
Speaker 1: if they actually are like into any of this stuff,
Speaker 1: it'll be a game changer. I do think it would
Speaker 1: be different if you spend a whole podcast talking about
Speaker 1: why they should buy the book, but the book was
Speaker 1: actually lousy, then you could say, all right, this is
Speaker 1: pretty rough. The fact that you're doing them a favor
Speaker 1: by telling them about the best wild game clickbook out there.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna do. It's too late for
Speaker 1: anyone to be helpful. But I'm gonna call this episode
Speaker 1: begging and pleading so that people don't get the wrong
Speaker 1: impression about what the episode is. But then they'll they
Speaker 1: won't know it'll be helpful still, or you could call
Speaker 1: doing you a favor. No, I think I'm gonna call it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what. I like that better. I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: it doing you a favor. It's a good idea. Mark.
Speaker 1: I was gonna call it begging and pleading, which is
Speaker 1: so pathetic. Yeah, you gotta come from from position of strength.
Speaker 1: Steve Seth Morris, Thanksgivings coming, Oh yeah, and talk about Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: There's a shiploaded recipes in there that would be fitting.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, do you mind take it away? Okay, my
Speaker 1: brother knows the chef and the chef. It's a long story.
Speaker 1: My brother hangs out with a chef who doesn't hunt,
Speaker 1: but my brother would present him with wild turkeys, and
Speaker 1: the chef, over time, to my brother's estimation, perfected the
Speaker 1: art of making a Thanksgiving turkey with a wild turkey,
Speaker 1: which is no mean tap, no small taps. He perfected
Speaker 1: it where my brother says it is not just the
Speaker 1: best wild turkey, but the best turkey it exists. It's
Speaker 1: cooked by this man named Shannon, and he allowed us
Speaker 1: to use his recipe, so this is the first time
Speaker 1: it's ever been printed. Wow, and worked with us to
Speaker 1: go through the process. And then we've beautifully photographed this thing.
Speaker 1: But this man's creation of the perfect whole roasted wild turkey,
Speaker 1: it's in there in there that that's one reason alone,
Speaker 1: just to buy the damn thing. So go on Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: Thanksgivings coming, Christmas is coming, Valentine's Valentine's Memorial Day, you know.
Speaker 1: And if if you don't even like to cook at all,
Speaker 1: but you like appreciate really fine photography, just by the
Speaker 1: damn book, or if you shoot deer and bring him
Speaker 1: to a food bank, you should bring that book down
Speaker 1: to the food bank to drop it out by the
Speaker 1: book and donate to the food bank. Matt concluding thought, Yeah,
Speaker 1: first of all, I don't think this podcast has been
Speaker 1: a commercial. I think it's reinforcing people's passion for um,
Speaker 1: everything that you guys are about. This guy's get reinforcing
Speaker 1: your passion. Thanks Matt, Thank you. All right, guys, um,
Speaker 1: thank you for bearing with me as I present to
Speaker 1: you The Meat Eater, Fish and Game Cookbook, Recipes and
Speaker 1: techniques for every hunter and angler. Buy one now, or hell,
Speaker 1: buy two. Have a good night.