WEBVTT - Ep. 142: Begging and Pleading 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.280 This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.599 vot bitten, and in my case, underwear lidcast. You can't 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:25.919 predict anything. I'm just gonna come right out and say 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:28.120 it right from the get go. This is the worst. 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.240 This is the worst episode. This will be the worst 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.800 episode of this show we've ever made. Because this is 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.519 gonna be like remember when you were a kid and 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.440 you turn on TV and there'll be they'll be like, 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:43.440 I think they still do this though. There's like a 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:48.919 channel where everyone in the channel is selling something QVC. 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.280 This is like watching Yes, this is like watching that. 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.959 This is like watching an infomercial. I'm just gonna come 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:00.200 flat out and say it. But there's some special parts 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.280 to it. Right now, here's the deal. Well, if even 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:07.839 a small dinky dinky, a small percentage of the people 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:14.600 that will listen to this show, if a small percentage, 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:20.160 almost like a single digit percentage, is that right of 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.240 the people that will listen to this show would go 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:28.240 on to Amazon right now and get thirty five bucks 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:34.520 and go by the Meat Eater Fishing Game Cookbook, whose 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:38.360 subtitle is Recipes and Techniques for Every Hunter and Angler, 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.240 which is available for its launches. It's like coming out 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:45.280 November twenty. If a small fraction of people will listen 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:46.679 to this, would go do it. It It would do me 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.440 such a huge favor and I would like be really happy. 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:51.520 It would be like my life goal would have been 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:59.000 achieved and I would never work again. Has two because 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.600 it's Christmas time? So how many pages are in that? 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:06.200 But we actually brought an actual salesman who's never man 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.320 how many units, Matt Cook? How many units of things 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.560 have you sold in your life? Not as many as 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.040 I could sell this book? Well, you're feeling that guy. 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:19.560 He's never touched the book. He's a professional salesman, well trained, 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:21.919 has never touched the book. But we brought him in 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.920 just to work up a sales pitch to sell it. 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:28.520 He's working on it right now. But just quick, how 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:39.120 many pages I'm gonnaty pages covering processing of so like 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:45.320 how to cut up, how to cook over a hundred 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:52.440 original recipes and processing in recipe and cooking and fixing 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:56.040 and substitution information for everything that it's broken down like this. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:57.680 And I'm gonna talk about this mother stuff for a while. 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:00.440 I'm just gonna keep returning to this day. M booked 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:02.400 to try to talk people into just doing me a 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:07.440 humongous favor and going and buying it. Now, um, it's 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:12.600 broken up into big game, so like you know, mostly 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.800 like antler and horn being gay, but also pigs and bears, 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.240 and then small game, which is like third small games, 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:26.360 so hairs, rabbit, squirrels, and then upland birds, waterfowl, freshwater fish, 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:34.320 saltwater fish, shellfish and crustaceans and reptiles and amphibians all about. 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.000 Have you ever seen a more beautiful pictorial of how 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.240 to butcher, snap and turtle? No, I've never seen a 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:44.800 Reptiles and Amphibians chapter. Uh No, it's beautiful. That's because 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:51.400 most cookbooks suck. I got you know you haven't heard this. 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:53.360 I was gonna say, I was gonna make everyone here 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:57.120 pretend that I didn't tell him. You guys are good 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.480 at lying, right, Okay, so lie for men it. But 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.200 Matt wasn't here, So let me ask you this. A 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.120 guy wrote in the this is interesting, speaking of wild game. 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.160 His freezer. He had his freezer went to put on him, 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.000 and it should have gone to put on him. So 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:15.680 he calls his insurance agent and he wants to make 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:19.440 a claim. On having lost all his wild game. So 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.280 he calls his insurance agment agent and the guy says, 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.880 I've been in this business for a decade and no 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:29.719 one's ever asked me about how to handle a claim 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.200 on having lost wild game, like what the value of 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.800 it is. So this guy goes to the state office 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:38.960 and comeback, comes back with this the Farm Bureau of 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:43.440 the State of Mississippi had come up with this formula 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:47.479 years ago. Lack of formula that since there's no comparable 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:52.360 market value for wild game, the only monetary replacement you 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.240 can get when you make a claim on losing your 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.320 wild game is the cost of processing. If you processed 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:03.440 your own wild game, your odd luck. So when you 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:07.720 lose a freezer, you lose a whole held because your 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:12.480 freezer goes to ship. Your insurance might own might compensate you, 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.320 but limited to what you paid to have it processed, 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.800 is the only value they all assigned to it. And 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.840 this guy just dropped like an invoice that said I 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.880 paid my wife a thousand dollars to process. You know, 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:25.800 I don't know how how deep they did, but it's 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.200 really interesting. Man. He's like to do the road and 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.560 his talking about how you know. So, you know, we've 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.120 talked this a thousand times, but the you know, wild 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.880 game resources in this country were depleted horribly. Deer, turkey's 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:43.560 waterfowl past your pigeon driven to extinction, Buffalo nearly driven 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.320 to extinction by market hunters. So people that shot game 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:52.000 and sold it into commercial markets, um, and it made 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:53.839 a living doing it. And one of the one of 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.040 the many things we had to do to save American 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.280 wildlife was end the selling of wild game. We've up. Well, 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.000 this is a bunch too. Like the other night, I 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.760 was in a situation where I was almost forced to 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.839 go eat pen raised elk. So if you see elk 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.400 on a restaurant menu, it's not real elk. It's the 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.600 elk raised up on a you know, it's the elk 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.440 raised up on a on a farmer ranch. Right, It's 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.080 not what you can't sell wild game. So he's saying 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.479 that this is one downside of that system is you 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:26.599 can't get your you can't get properly compensated. What if 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.719 you shot the elk on a ten dollar you know, 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:35.159 paid guided trip, could you turn that in to the 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.880 insurance company. I certainly would try. Well, all I can 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.080 tell you. And this is just anecdotal because this is 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.080 just one mug from Mississippi. But that's what he had 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:45.719 happened to him, and that's what he found when he 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.760 researched it. Now, maybe if you have some hard hitting 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.240 lawyers or something. But I would tend to doubt it, 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.120 man tendant doubt because there you're paying for the experience. 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:58.719 But you would, You're right, be honest, you'd have a 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.560 you'd have an invoice, you'd have you know, a credit 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:06.640 card statement that was the dollars that generated that. But 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.520 I certainly think people should try. I think maybe one 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.000 agent to another may be able to slip one through. Yeah, 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.680 they'd be worth a try. Here's another thing we're talking about, 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:20.160 swamp rabbits, the cottontail rabbits would when a contail rabbit 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:23.520 ships in the woods, he doesn't seem to pay a 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:27.120 whole lot of tention where he goes. Um, he just goes, 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.840 what are you cool on swamp rabbits? That swamp rabbit is? 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:35.520 I absolutely do not know what it's still validus aquaticus Okay, 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.160 the Latin name, yep, Now I'm familiar. Do you do 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.680 you know? Do you know? Got it? Now? If you 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.560 go by Latin, I'm good. Do you know that rabbits 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.600 aren't rodents? Matt, I did know that rabbits were not rodents. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:52.320 The lega morphs, they're a laga morphs. Absolutely. So. The 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.040 swamp rabbit is just a souped up cotton tail okay, 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.040 five six pound cotton tail who will jump in the 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:03.920 Mississippi River and swim across in order to evade a 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:09.160 hunting beetle. It is a indigenous to the South swamp rabbits. 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:13.400 We don't have them. Yeah, they're yeah, but but you 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.520 know not they can go into the deep South. But 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:20.160 they're also found in the in the border country. We've 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.880 been debating a lot about what is the South, you 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.840 know and them, But they're in Kentucky, Okay, Okay, which 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.600 is the South. But some people feel like it's nudge 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.960 and edging towards the north. One time, Lincoln, I think, 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:37.880 sat in Ohio and yelled across the river at at Kentucky, 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:46.120 mad at them about Southern issues. But so, uh, cottentil 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:50.840 normal contail rabbit, eastern cottentail, mountain cotton tail. He just 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.080 ships wherever he wants, right. They don't have any rhyme 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:57.160 or reason to it. But a swamp rabbit has uh 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:01.800 fidelity to his latrine, and Janice has seen this. Back 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:05.560 me up. A guy was pointing out, I was talking 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.720 about this, puzzling over it, you know. I was saying, like, 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:10.520 when they were in their environs where they live, it's 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.679 very flax. They live on the floodplain, and I thought, 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:14.960 maybe he gets a log he likes to go on. 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:16.920 He defecates on the log, and it just makes it 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.240 higher and higher up because a llama, who also has 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.840 fidelity to his latrine will defecate and build up such 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.520 amount of pellets that he uses as a lookout like 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:34.200 a crow's nest. Fell a fella rode in, and he 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.520 was saying that he doesn't really know about this idea 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:39.960 that rabbits defecate on a log with the intent of 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:41.840 building up with lop mound that they can sit on. 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.280 He says that may be true, but he also points 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:49.319 out that it's necessary for cotton tales to eat their 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:59.240 own poop. It's called capra faggie. And he wonders about 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.679 if it's not in the in these uh, these environs 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.240 that are prone to flooding, that if it's not just 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:10.240 a good way for him to store his Why are 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.320 they eating I don't say that very often. Why are 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.800 they eating their own ship? You know, it has something 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:16.560 to do with UM, has something to do with their 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.000 digestive track. Maybe Yanni can look that up. A lot 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:20.600 of times he'll ask him looks up up and then 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.680 by the end of the show he'll find it. So 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.760 I have a sales idea, because Dancer doesn't have anything 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:32.280 to add to the you could domesticate swap rabbits so that, 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.720 you know, like a cat, it would ship in the 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.679 same place in your house versus a cotton tail which 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.680 would shoot all over the house. Yeah, there's a there's 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.679 a there's a business opportunity there. I like the way 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:48.239 you're thinking. UM, guy wrote in this this is interesting, 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:55.839 Guy writes, And we're talking recently about um the sort 0:10:55.880 --> 0:11:02.880 of existential crisis that unters in New Zealand and Australia 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:07.400 are facing right now. Where hunters in New Zealand Australia 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:12.080 are predominantly hunting. You know, there's like kangaroo hunting there 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:17.760 for commercial markets like your recreational hunters. In Australian news, 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:23.440 hunting non natives and they will often ah, they will 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.920 often justify their pursuits by explaining how they're helping to 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.640 control And if you go on social media and you watch, 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.760 you'll see Australian hunters, you know, talking about this like man, 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.439 you know, to say the natives, we gotta do all 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.719 this hunting um. But then what happened. The reason we 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:43.600 were talking about this recently is because in New Zealand, 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:45.920 the government who does a lot of coaling, they do 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.760 a lot of control work on some of these more 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:54.160 abundant non native ungulates. Uh, they do a lot of 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.040 control work on them, and they're talking about up in 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.600 the control work and getting rid of them, and it's 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.840 making the hunters they're real easy. And I was pointing 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:06.000 out how it's hard because you're sort of justifying your 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.720 activity by saying we're helping to control nonnatives. But then 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.520 when the government decides just to do a totally eradication, 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.360 the hunters getting nervous because they want some and so 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.719 you're left with where your rhetorical strategy right, the thing 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.840 you use to justify your activities becomes null and void. 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.360 And the guy actually wrote in from Australia and he 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.840 was saying that. He says, it does put us in 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:33.920 a funny position because we're, like he says, quote, we 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.480 are left exposed to the harsh reality of not just 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:42.680 saying that we want them here so we can hunt them. 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:47.720 You mean about that, Johnnie, I'm glad that he wrote 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:51.280 in and accepted that, just admitted it. This tricky man, 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.520 I wouldn't like, but we've been saying and I think 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.079 all along it's sort of it's been allows the argument 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.719 why you you hunt, and it just allows you justification 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:07.160 for hunting. Really, yeah, you can't act like yeah if 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.559 if I think a lot of people do it in 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.800 a lot of different ways. People struggle with you know, 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:16.640 there's a lot of it's it's complicated, right If someone said, hey, man, 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.400 why do you like to go to baseball games? You're 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.320 not gonna have like, oh, a reason. It's a whole 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.719 bunch of reasons, going back to how you brought up 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.640 and what it makes you think of and time with family, 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.480 like hot buttered popcorn. I mean, right on all manner things. 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.160 This this is huge package of things. But I think 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:34.840 hunters a lot of times getting a thing or they 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.040 try to narrow it down or like oh, if we 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.440 didn't hunt, the deer would overtake us and kill us 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:44.760 all or whatever. And um, when you get into this 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.960 like where it's justified by we're you just saying like, oh, no, 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.600 I just do it for population control. And then someone says, oh, 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.400 you know, don't worry about bro will take care of it. 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.439 The government will do it. Then you're like, then you 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.040 gotta be like, man, I wish I'll have set something different. 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.679 Another guy rolled in about uh. He says, a good 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.640 way to have chew, a good way to dip. He 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:13.040 likes to mix. He mixes hubba bubba yeah with red 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.199 man m I've heard of that that we consulted with 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:21.360 dirt on that. That's who he's writing in about. And 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.280 he says, the question is where do you get first 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:33.400 cancer diabetes? That's a strange mix. Another guy rolled in. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.800 He's like, man, you guys are always arguing about Tony 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.520 Sees an old Bay Steve being a Tony Sees man, 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.400 and you're only being an old bayman. And he's like, 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:48.320 what about Mrs dash Big Mrs dash fan good. It 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.040 has its place, but it's not like the other two. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.960 He thinks it's real good to take like fish Filet's 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:55.800 and put some Mrs Dash on it and wrap the 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.640 fish up and illuminum foil and cook it. He likes 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:02.000 to take pickerel, acreel. You're wrapping tinfoil, put some butter 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.040 in some Mrs Dash on there. He says, your Florida, 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:07.160 How good it is? He doesn't put anything else on 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:12.920 his fish? Isn't Mrs Dash Like, Uh, it's across the country, right, 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:14.520 and it isn't Old Bay and Tony Sea is kind 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:19.600 of just Maryland and like, no, dude, Tony seasons everywhere. Man, 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.760 I got on the Tony I got, I got on it. 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.120 I got on a Tony seas. I got on a 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.440 Tony season Michigan's Upper Peninsula. What you can't get farther 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.920 away from the Bayou country and still be in the country. 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:36.560 I've been well Alaska, I've been lying to for a while. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.960 Then we used to call it Tony Sees Uncle Tom's 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.520 for some reason. I have no idea why, huh no, 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:49.720 Uncle Tom's cabin Yeah, it was like some kind of 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:51.480 short cut. But I still don't understand how you'd come 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.760 up with Uncle Tom's. Someone must have been reading Uncle 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:59.600 Tom's cabin. Um. We've been having a lot of talk 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:07.320 about how good how well dogs can smell. And a 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.440 guy rode in, and he's a police officer and he's 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.640 a canine handler. He was trained for two years to 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.600 work with canines. He worked with a German a half 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:21.280 German Shepherd, half Belgian Melani Melanois And we know this 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.880 m A L I N O I s anyways, some 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.200 kind of souped up mutt. And dog's name was Kane, 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.080 and he was a dual purpose dog, meaning he was 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:36.680 a narcotic detective dog and suspect apprehension. Oh yeah, that's 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.360 a mean looking dude right there. That that's like the 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:44.000 guy that in movies when a police dog chomps on 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:48.720 the bad guy's arm. That's the melanoir. Yeah, well, you 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.800 know what he's saying about this dog he's talking about 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.360 he's talking about he just only reason he wrote in 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:56.520 he because we were struggling to explain like how well 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.440 a squirrel dog can smell it? How can a squirrel 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.160 dog do such a good job of smelling worlds? And 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:03.320 he just brings up away that it was explained to 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:06.040 him one He says, it was explained to me in 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:10.159 training the dogs can smell up to fifty thousand times 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.680 better than we do, which is like hard to right, 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.400 it's still hard. But because he's like, there's a good anecdote. 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:20.800 W's this thing called the cake theory. So let's say 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:22.679 your mom bakes a cake and you walk in the house. 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.640 You can you walk in the house and you take 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.960 in the smell and you're like, oh, someone made a cake. 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.200 Like that's the smell you get. He's just a good 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:34.640 way to think about it would be that the dog 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:42.120 walks in the house and he goes, oh, eggs, flour, milk, salt, sugar. 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.040 And that's how he feels that they're a way to 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:52.880 distinguish their abilities from our own. Um. Another guy rolled in, 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.560 and here's here's a guy. He's kind of established his credentials. Remember. 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.679 Can you recap the Andrew McLean story, the famous skier? 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:06.520 Mm hmm, I believe I can. He was caught, uh 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.040 explain like who he isn't what he does and whatnot? 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:14.520 He Um, it was Andrew McLean, Right, Yeah, I don't 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.240 want to mix him up with other some other famous skier, 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.960 but he uh, he's like a Utah backcountry skier known 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.320 for pioneering. I think some lines in the wash Sage 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:28.080 and writing a like a ski guide book for skiing 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:32.440 the wash sage is how you say that m always 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.880 said it a little bit dinky bit wrong. Well I'm 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:45.120 sure I'm in out of that all the time. Go ahead. Um. Anyways, 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:49.879 he was caught on trail camera stealing a trail camera 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.680 and a tree stand or two maybe even the guy 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.280 had the hunter for some reason had like a double 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:01.680 camera set and um, and they only saw one camera 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:03.800 and took it in the tree stand, and the other 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:08.440 camera caught them in the act of doing it. Just yeah, 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.119 stealing it, stealing. Well, this guy writes in he's kind 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.680 of like setting up his credentials. He opens up. He 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.760 opens up by saying, I'm just headed out to film 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.159 a dinosaur digging project for nat GEO. So he's like 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.720 laying He's like, you know what I mean. He doesn't 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:25.840 say like why that matters, but he throws it out 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.800 there because he's wanting to right, he's wanting to paint 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.120 a pick. He's like build up his street cred he's 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.200 building up some crabs. So your soul be like, man, well, 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:35.920 you guys are camera guys. When you hear that he's 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.000 going to filming a dino digging thing. Are you thinking, 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.600 like this guy's top shelf depends on what branching that 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:46.760 g O it is. Man, It's like there's a couple 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.040 of different ones. So so you hear that and you 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.760 don't automatically think that you're because I'm gonna get into 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:57.439 a negative about this, because we're gonna get into a 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:03.080 negative about this guy. Um he he he. So he 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:06.280 sets up his his credentials by saying he's he's he's 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:12.440 a niejair Um which is in Africa, and he's heading 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:14.600 out to film a dino digging project for that GEO. 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:19.800 And he says, I get why McLean did it. And 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:22.080 he talks about he just started bow hunting this season, 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.879 and he talks about how hunters litter a lot and 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.000 a lot of times you'll find where hunters leave little 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.280 stashes out in the woods and a lot of garbage 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:33.480 out in the woods and our tattered sleeping bag and 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.600 old tarp and no, no, no no, an unusable m R 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:41.119 s and doesn't like it. Hunters are real dirt bag 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:45.840 woods trashers, um. And he goes on to say that. 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.159 He goes on to propose the idea that McLean was 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:54.160 simply cleaning up the woods by stealing a tree stand 0:20:54.480 --> 0:21:02.160 and a trail camera, which is an indefensible position to take. 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.639 There's a big difference between garbage left out in the 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:11.000 woods and someone's legally placed tree stand in trail camera. 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:20.439 You don't want to add that here here the lovely 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.800 voice with Mark Kenyon. Yeah, you could take that a 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:28.800 bunch of you'd say, like, your your car is like 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:31.240 a hunk of metal just sitting out there, So I'm 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:35.280 gonna steal that to clean this place up. Cleaning up 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:37.919 some new truck I found out in the woods. I 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:41.440 think the more interesting thing is the tactic that the 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.439 hunter who has stuff stolen. I think the tactic he 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.440 used was something that more people should use in the 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.040 white tail world. And I do know some people have 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:52.280 talked about I've got a friend who who was trying this. 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:56.040 But it's a great way to uh if we get 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:57.840 the word out that enough people are doing that. I 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:00.719 think a lot of trail camera thieves we'll think twice 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:03.720 to do the double camera because I might be getting 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.200 picture we we were looking at. We had a dude 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:09.560 showing us a bunch of trail cameras on his Uh, 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:12.320 we were muled your hunting Colorado ran into a fella 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.680 remember this, Johnny, And he was showing us a bunch 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:17.840 of trail camp pictures of various elk and mule deer 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:21.520 and whatnot, and they all were taken at a downward angle, 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:26.359 you right, And I was like, what the yeah? I 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:27.960 was like, what's going on with this? He said, Trail 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:32.040 camera theft is so bad in New Mexico that he 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:35.959 now places his trail cameras up high up in trees, 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:43.720 angled down. People don't notice them. Doesn't the cameras that 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:46.879 send the pictures to the internet, you know, deter some 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:48.600 of the stealing. I mean, you'd get a picture when 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:52.760 someone goes to steal your camera. Has that curbed the theft? 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:56.160 The direct transmit? I think that the percentage of trail 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:58.320 cameras out there that have that feature is still so 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:01.760 small that but yes, I think that it's getting to 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:03.600 the point that more and more people will worry about that. 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:06.760 I actually actually gone to the um to the point 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.879 where I place no trespassing signs that I will specifically 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:14.840 say property. I'll write and market property patrolled with with 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:18.720 cellular cameras that kind of thing where there's some serious 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:20.840 issues of trespassing. So they said, oh yeah, so that 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:23.560 I can't see the camera, pature's gonna be sent right away. 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:25.800 That's a heck of a deterrent. And it's true or 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:31.320 not true, it's true. Okay, Um, you know this is 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.479 take this with, take this with. I'm gonna say something 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:41.520 in uh, keep in mind that I'm the well I'm 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.639 gonna I'll just come out and say it if I could, 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:49.359 if I was the command master of the universe, I 0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:52.360 would get rid of trail cameras. But I would also 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.760 get rid of the Internet. And I use the Internet, 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:58.840 and in fact, this is like an internet based digital 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:01.639 radio program, so it's like I'm comfortable using it. But 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:04.160 if I was commander of the universe and I could 0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:05.879 make it go away, I would make it go away, 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:08.560 and I would make trail cameras go away. Even though 0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:11.920 I will use trail cameras, I would like I wish 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:14.720 they hadn't been invented. I understand that position, and I 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.760 understand both sides. But one, I love trail camp pictures. 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:20.520 I post them all the time on social media because 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:23.080 it's like cool. I like how they've rewritten some of 0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:27.359 our understanding of wildlife distribution. And I love it and 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:30.560