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Speaker 1: This is the worst episode. This will be the worst

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Speaker 1: gonna be like remember when you were a kid and

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Speaker 1: This is like watching Yes, this is like watching that.

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Speaker 1: This is like watching an infomercial. I'm just gonna come

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Speaker 1: flat out and say it. But there's some special parts

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Speaker 1: to it. Right now, here's the deal. Well, if even

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Speaker 1: almost like a single digit percentage, is that right of

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Speaker 1: the people that will listen to this show would go

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Speaker 1: on to Amazon right now and get thirty five bucks

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Speaker 1: and go by the Meat Eater Fishing Game Cookbook, whose

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Speaker 1: subtitle is Recipes and Techniques for Every Hunter and Angler,

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Speaker 1: which is available for its launches. It's like coming out

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Speaker 1: November twenty. If a small fraction of people will listen

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Speaker 1: to this, would go do it. It It would do me

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Speaker 1: it's Christmas time? So how many pages are in that?

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Speaker 1: But we actually brought an actual salesman who's never man

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Speaker 1: how many units, Matt Cook? How many units of things

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Speaker 1: I could sell this book? Well, you're feeling that guy.

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Speaker 1: He's never touched the book. He's a professional salesman, well trained,

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Speaker 1: many pages I'm gonnaty pages covering processing of so like

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna talk about this mother stuff for a while.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep returning to this day. M booked

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Speaker 1: broken up into big game, so like you know, mostly

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a more beautiful pictorial of how

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Speaker 1: Reptiles and Amphibians chapter. Uh No, it's beautiful. That's because

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Speaker 1: most cookbooks suck. I got you know you haven't heard this.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I was gonna make everyone here

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Speaker 1: of a sudden realizing there's like some guy's trail camera sitting.

424
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: Why not confine him to private? You know? You know

425
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: what's cool? It was cool, but it went away like

426
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: Montana for a couple of years. It had to be

427
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: that when Big game season opened, you had to pull him.

428
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: That just changed this past year. Then they made it

429
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: go back the other way again. Something. It's just gonna

430
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: get too ridiculous because that the technology gets better and

431
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: like people are just able to like live stream. It's

432
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: just I don't know, man, it's just like it just is.

433
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: It's just too much. It used to be so much.

434
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: Some kind of limits, some kind of regulation, we limit

435
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. Yeah, we need to have that,

436
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I think you can't use a

437
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: red dot, you can't use you can't use a red

438
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: dot site on your boat. It's like all kinds of

439
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: stuff with them. The regulation I would like to see

440
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: put on trail cameras has to do with cell cameras,

441
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: because that's where I see this line being crossed with

442
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: some line of ethics and everyone else. Everyone's gonna have

443
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: their own opinion on this um. But I find where

444
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: it gets real weird for me is when you get

445
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: a picture now that's happening right now, and you can

446
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: make a hunting decision right now based off for real

447
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: time data, that seems to to go over the line

448
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: for me personally, I wish there was like a fair

449
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: chase mode that you could turn on your trail camera,

450
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: or maybe there'd be a loss someday that requires this

451
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: that requires a twenty four hour delay before anything gets sent,

452
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: so there's no real time. You're not gonna see what's

453
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: happening right now. You can get the benefits of a

454
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: cell camera, that being it gets transmitted to your computer

455
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: phone so that if you live miles away or whatever,

456
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: you can still get your pictures, or if you don't

457
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: want to have to go in there every two weeks

458
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: and put your sent all over the place. But this

459
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: at least keeps you from abusing that technology. At least

460
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: I think it's abuse if you see a picture on

461
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: your phone right now and go stalking in there and

462
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: shoot that buck. That's like for me, that's that's why

463
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: you need to when you're gonna do stuff like this.

464
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: Usually the fishing game agencies try to get out ahead

465
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: of it before it becomes standard accepted practice, Like how

466
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: people were so aggressive around regulating the use of drones

467
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: before before drones became super widespread and has so much

468
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: common use. Because then it's hard because there's like a

469
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: resistance built up, and I just haven't seen anywhere doing

470
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: like that kind of leadership. I'm looking like, where is

471
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: this going Where you can be out in the woods.

472
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: You know, you're you go out plant twenty cameras that

473
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: are all giving you a live feed of what's going on,

474
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: and you got them in all your elk meadows, or

475
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: you got them in all your you got a camera

476
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: on all your duck ponds that you like to go

477
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: jump shoot, and you got a live stream on your phone.

478
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we're like, you could do this right now,

479
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, let's go hit that pond, jump

480
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: that pond. They're on the they're on the whatever end

481
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 1: of the pond, So let's make sure you approach from

482
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: that end. Because there's a lot of states and I

483
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: think more should get on board of banned two way

484
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: communications to like coordinate the taking a game it's just

485
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: it's just someone's gonna have to get out ahead of it.

486
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: I feel like it's definitely my property has is influenced.

487
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: You know how we look at it when game move

488
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: it's domestified, or maybe it shouldn't have, you know, domestified

489
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: if you know there's animal activity in the middle of

490
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: the day. You know, we've never been in a position

491
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: where you know, let's go on, that buck is on

492
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: that spot at this particular time. But overall movement, you know,

493
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: or you look and see you know they moved overnight

494
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: because there's a full moon and you probably will have

495
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: a slow morning. It hasn't equated to success in particular.

496
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: Um it has definitely reduced trespassing because you only have

497
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: to catch someone, you know, ten minutes after they've been there.

498
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: Not only I think you're a freak for monitoring, but

499
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: if you go there and show them a picture of

500
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: them on your property within a few minutes, it prevents

501
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: the word gets out, prevents a lot of trespassing. I'm

502
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: sure there's a lot of positives, but just it's something.

503
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: It just it's something that concerns me and I think

504
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna become more of an issue as a technology

505
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: gets better. Mark kennyon Wired Hunt. Yep, so you think

506
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: you're wired to hunt? Let me ask you this. This

507
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: This is how the email started. Someone said that I'm

508
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: saying that this is a great question. Guy rights in.

509
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: My dad and I have been hunting on a large

510
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: property next door to their house, almost a thousand acres

511
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: for all of our lives. Three years ago, the founder

512
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: of a chip company, I don't wanna name the chip company.

513
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: The founder of a chip company bought the land and

514
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: he puts a fence up around it for the purpose

515
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: of keeping his cattle from roaming off the property. But

516
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: it's a nice, big decorative fence. He puts an eight

517
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: foot wood fence around the perimeter of the whole property,

518
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: eight foot tall wood fence, he says, to keep his

519
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: cattle in. The guy still allowed to hunt it. But

520
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: he's always been uneasy with the idea of hunting high fence.

521
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: So here is he's always hunted a property. All of

522
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: a sudden it becomes fenced. They go in there last

523
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: year on opening weekend. They both get to get a deer,

524
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 1: and then they got and they agreed not to hunt anymore.

525
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: They just can't decide he says, he still goes in

526
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: there to trap. He goes in there too, small game hunt,

527
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: but he feels weird hunting ducks, hunting deer on it

528
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: knowing that the deer are stuck in there and can't

529
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: get out. Wow, that is a tough one. That is

530
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: a tough scenario. Can anyone put a eight foot decorative

531
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: fence around their property where where you're basically you have

532
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: captive wildlife vatizing He doesn't stay with stadies, and I

533
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised any property if you know there's wildlife.

534
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: Can you build a decorative fence around your property knowing

535
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: that it's going to capture wildlife on the inside. When

536
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: people of fence, when people do high fence things on

537
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: high fence stuff in Texas, Yeah, you don't need to

538
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: kick all the deer off and then build defense. It's

539
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: not Is that regulated by stay wildlife? I don't I

540
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: don't know what the permitting system is. I don't know.

541
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: He doesn't say where he is. I'm more interested not

542
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: to see if the guy's being if the guy, I'm

543
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: not really interested in the dude. I mean, it's interesting.

544
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: I'd love to know if the dude is like a

545
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: breaking law, not just but I'm more interested in the

546
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: idea of it. So here is he hunts and all

547
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's fence as you go get a

548
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: new spot. That's a really, really tough question, man. I

549
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: feel like if that happened to me, I don't know, man,

550
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: it would be real hard to go and like walk

551
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: away from your spot. I understand why. I think I

552
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: would feel dirty. I would feel at least for for

553
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: for me, I would start to have weird questions about it.

554
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: Because of that point he brought up, like, all of

555
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: a sudden, now you're hunting a high fence property and

556
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: all the things that means possibly the thing is a

557
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: thousand acres is big. It's big. But then we talked

558
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: about the reduction of mystery. You're never gonna get a

559
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: surprise deer on there again. You're never going to have

560
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: the risk of someone else getting that dear or that

561
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: dear disappearing or there. Yeah, it's still a challenge, of course,

562
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: there's still gonna be a lot of work probably has

563
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: to go into it, but it's different different. It would

564
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: be diminished, it would be diminished, and I would probably

565
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: do the same thing he did think it's so hard.

566
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: I just don't. It's never gonna have to come up again.

567
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: He's gonna be the only guy ever in the history

568
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: of our country to have to wrestle with this. Like,

569
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for the guy he's got to wrestle

570
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: with him. But I don't know if like us talking

571
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: about it is going to help anybody else. So you

572
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: just don't see it being an issue. Yeah, I mean,

573
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: I think you just had to go in there and

574
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: see how it feels, and like I would just say, look,

575
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: keep hunting it until you're like, okay that that was

576
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: so easy and do because of the decoratifense And I'm quitting,

577
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta add here that I am the

578
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: one that I use the word decorative. He doesn't use

579
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: the word decorative. But no, no, what wooden fence is

580
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: not a practical fence. There's cheaper ways of doing it.

581
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: There's an incredible amount of money spending on a thousand

582
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: acre fence. That's yeah, what's the typical high fence? They're high,

583
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: just like woven wire. Yeah, yeah, I think height ridge pounder.

584
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: You got nothing to say about that, probably, dude, I

585
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: got an opinion. He's got to hang it up, dude,

586
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: he's got he's gotta just give that spot up. There's

587
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: no question really my mind. Yeah, it's not easy for me. Man. No,

588
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: there's a fence there, Dude, I don't know. I feel

589
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: like I might. I'd probably still be I'd probably still

590
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: poke around in your No, No, you can poke around

591
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: all you want. I just be like, I don't know.

592
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't fence the whole thing. Would you be like,

593
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: would you be like him and hanging up just big game,

594
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: or would you say, yeah, the rabbits are high fence. Now,

595
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: the squirrels are high fence. There's no such thing as

596
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: a high fence. Score. Yeah, because the squirrels can. That's

597
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: that's rabbits. I don't real that's up to him. But yeah, man,

598
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: he's got a quit. Do you know a guy wrote

599
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: into you. The guy wrote into me about what the

600
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: gray rabbit? What? What was he got to say? He says,

601
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: you should have done candle light dinner high to the grayness.

602
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: Matt is very very smart. Okay, one more, one more,

603
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: one more real zinger, real zinger. Um, don't go get

604
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be pushing the cook I'm coming around

605
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: to them. Give him Matt time to work up a

606
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: sales pitch. Then I want to talk about the cookbook.

607
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: I have a question real quick about the dog and

608
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: the smell. I don't know the answer, but okay, let

609
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: me ask this question. I was pheasant hunting last year

610
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: and it was September and it was hot, and our

611
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: guide said that one of the issues the dog was

612
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: having was your analogy that he is chilly. That the

613
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: dog can smell all of the spices, that beef and everything,

614
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: and that it was um. If it's old, doubt it's

615
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: not as hard on the dog. The dog can find

616
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: pheasants easier, but when it's hot, they can smell every ingredient.

617
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: You know, they smell that the plants, you know, they

618
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: can smell other animals, rabbits. Have any of you heard

619
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: that that heat. I feel like I've heard that. My

620
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: buddy Ronnie Bam would absolutely have a lot to say

621
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: about that. So we'll have to return to that, okay.

622
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: I had heard dryness versus moisture, so like a moist situation,

623
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: they'll be able to smell more. And I heard this

624
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: in the context of of tracking deer, So tracking a

625
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: wounded deer or hit deer. Actually tracking on a rainy

626
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: day is better than a bone dry day. Similar. There

627
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: he was saying, you know, when it was cold, and

628
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: he didn't say if there are snow or not, that

629
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: the dog could identify a pheasant scent much easier if

630
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: it's cold, because it's it's a singular scent first, is

631
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: overwhelmed by all of the scents when it's warm. I'm trying.

632
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm tracking what you're saying, and I can't remember. I

633
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: know that I heard when I was running dry ground

634
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: lions with someone one time, with a feller by the

635
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: name of Floyd. We were tracking mountain lions with dogs,

636
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: and I remember he had a lot of opinions about

637
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: the climatic conditions and its effect on a dog's nose

638
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: and its ability to cold trail and hot trail. I

639
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: just can't remember what, you know, like what was what

640
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: was good and what was bad. I remember that he

641
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: had a lot of thoughts about it. Did you see

642
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: the mass running that acts? We liked a whole lot, Johnnie, No,

643
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: I see it now, Yeah, that's the Alaska acts, man,

644
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: it's the old well, what's the name of the model?

645
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: That's that's what one of the nicest mass produced acts

646
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: I've ever laid my laid a hand on. Man, I'm

647
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: not trying to bought you up because you're gonna give

648
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: a sales pitch of this book. Okay, here's one more

649
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: real zinger, real zinger for everybody. This is This is

650
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: more of a zinger than the zinger from a minute ago.

651
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: He goes on to say how he hates hunting shows

652
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: that's cool. And he goes down to say, um, lots

653
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: of reasons. Um. He goes on to say how how

654
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: he's heard me mention that if you took away the

655
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: food or you took away the fun, I would lose

656
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: interest in hunting, Like it's a package of things that

657
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: that all need to be there for me to love

658
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: it like I do. Um. And he goes on to

659
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: say he needs my opinion on something. He works with

660
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: a fella who he generally likes. We get along just fine.

661
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: And he goes to say this, the dude is this.

662
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: This is why almost more of this is true. I

663
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: feel like it must be true. The guy is a

664
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: vegetarian okay, but not one of those annoying ones that

665
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: throws it in your face. But here's the way it

666
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: gets weird. He's a vegetarian. Buddy hunts. He likes to

667
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: hunt deer and turkeys, but doesn't believe in eating them.

668
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: What he just donates it all to a food bank.

669
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: And the guy saying, I cannot wrap my head around this,

670
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: and he um says, no one buys a pair of

671
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: pants from J. C. Penny just to take him down

672
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: to the Salvation Army and drop him off. It's fantastic.

673
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: It's now there probably are a few charitable folks buy

674
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: clothes and that donate them. It's a good question, man,

675
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: like you won't eat it, but you'll like to shoot it.

676
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: I've always like it's another one of those things that

677
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things I see both sides of.

678
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: I can't really work up a good opinion about it.

679
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: The fact that he's a vegetarian has nothing to do

680
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: with it, because I feel like I know dudes, they're

681
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: uh full long carnivores that do the same thing. Yeah,

682
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: but it makes it kind of even more zingy, like

683
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: the he's a vegetarian, right, sure, a little bit, but

684
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: I think we take a step back. It's it's like

685
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: the same wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong you're saying, Remember, um,

686
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: happy days. One finds he was wrong, he couldn't stay wrong.

687
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: He'd be like I was. He couldn't bring himself to

688
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: say it. I know people. I know people though, who

689
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: will shoot a deer purposefully to donate it, and they

690
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: view that as like a way to give back, so

691
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: they do. They also shoot a few for their own freezer. Yeah,

692
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: but why do to just give money to the food bank.

693
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: It's a different way to go about it. And maybe,

694
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe part of it because they enjoy

695
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: the hunting aspect of it. So to your point, there's food,

696
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: there's fun, and then also there's the management perspective too.

697
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: They might need to be taking some management deer off

698
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: of farm or something like that, so that might be

699
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: part of it. But I'm just devil's advocate man. Yeah, yeah,

700
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: but but I think that the interesting thing is, though,

701
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: if this guy is fundamentally opposed to the eating of meat,

702
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: so what if his So many people I imagine would

703
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: advocate for the vegetarian or vegan lifestuff because they don't

704
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: want an animal's life to be taken or blood on

705
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: their hands maybe or something like that. This guy obviously

706
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: doesn't care about that. He's not that guy, So then

707
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: what's what's his angle? I don't know. We plant based diet,

708
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: so it's a health thing for him. I do know.

709
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: And then if again, man just like playing Devil's advocates,

710
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: I cause I can see both sides of it to

711
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: a crippling degree, but I do know. And then wonder

712
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: if you don't want Like, let's say you're in a

713
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: situation where, yeah, you don't want it, I want to

714
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: just let someone who wants it get it. Why not

715
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: like leave it for someone that wants it. I get

716
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: though I have a hard time. I I can't justify

717
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: killing animal unless I'm actually going to personally eat it,

718
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: So I would have a hard time doing that. But

719
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: I also can understand people that do. I mean, I

720
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: there's something to be said about helping other people with food.

721
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: It's a food acquisition process. Um. I know a lot

722
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: of guys that maybe will keep a little bit and

723
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: then share the rest, and I certainly I share a

724
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: significant portion events and sometimes too, like I'll a surplus

725
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: and I'll share that, And I guess like it's there's

726
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: some where's the line where it becomes questionable. That's why

727
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this because I'm kind of like the

728
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: worst kind of person. We're I'll share it with people

729
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: who are I'll share with people who are, relative to

730
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: the population in general, quite wealthy. And I think that

731
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: that's just great, right, But then when someone shoots a

732
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: deer just brings it down to food bank, I'm like,

733
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: what's that all about? But I'm like, well, man, I'm

734
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: giving it to like I give game et a rich people.

735
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: It's like, why not go, like, you know, it wouldn't

736
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 1: be a lot better to go give it to the needy,

737
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: especially if you're gonna pick up the processing fee. What

738
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: what if someone was like one of your buddies. It

739
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: was like, man, it's last week Elk season, I'm not

740
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get out. You have a few

741
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: free days, you think you could, and you had it.

742
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: You had like a cow tag or something, my own

743
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: cow tag, your own cow tag, and your freezer was full.

744
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: You didn't play it on filling that cow tag because

745
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: your freezer is full and if you were to shoot

746
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,479
Speaker 1: another one, you would have way too much for the year.

747
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: Is it a good friend? It could be whoever, But

748
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: someone's like for good Someone's like Steve, I'm not gonna

749
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: get out anymore. Yes, you think you're a good friend,

750
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: you can burn that cow tag for me. Yeah, for

751
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: a good friend, I would do that. Okay, But you're right,

752
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: and I'm just the kind of worst kind of person

753
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: where I wouldn't be like, you know what, I'm gonna

754
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: do it and pay the processing and drop it off

755
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: at the food bank because I'm suspicious to that for

756
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: a weird reason that doesn't make any sense. It's making

757
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: me feel a little embarrassed that I feel this way.

758
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: What's it's because the food banks like the easy way out,

759
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: Like I know I I know of people that would

760
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: shoot shop and just take it to the food bank

761
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: because they don't want to deal with it. Dance Okay, Yeah,

762
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: you're you're helping me articulate my perspective on it, because,

763
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: like I bring a lot, you have a lot of assumptions,

764
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: so in some way you're kind of looking at it

765
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: like um in some way you're kind of looking at

766
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: it like you're sort of reading into their motivations. Because

767
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: let's say you met a guy who's a volunteer at

768
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: the food bank and he's like, man, I volunteer for

769
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: ten years the food bank, and I'm telling you it's

770
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: really hard, like the protein is hard to come by,

771
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: and when we get the venicon in, people love it

772
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: and it like makes their day and it's such a

773
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: nice thing we're able to do at the food bank.

774
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: And once I had that experience, I really started just like,

775
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'd get to do here for me, but

776
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: I really would just keep hunting because I love to

777
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: support my local food bank. That dude, I don't want

778
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: to give him a big old hug, but if it's

779
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: the kind of thing at one time, let me give

780
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: you the first time I ever hunting Texas, I was

781
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: hunting with a guy and it was like a my

782
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: old girlfriend's dad had a dentist body or something like that,

783
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: and he caught winto the fact I'd like to go hunt,

784
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: and he took me out hunting down my Waco, Texas

785
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: and I got a buck, and um, he comes and

786
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: it comes around to pick me up where I was

787
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: hunting at my blind and comes around and sees the

788
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: deer and it just says, ah, maybe I can get

789
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: j J to take this that perspective where he was

790
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: like inconvenienced by the idea of having to deal with

791
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: a deer in its meat is something that I like.

792
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: I see that and I think about that being like

793
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: a little bit offensive to me. I have a question

794
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: for you. So I have guests come and hunt, and

795
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: they know that I donate the meat to my inner

796
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: city employees, but they they have no intention of taking it.

797
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: They know I have an outlet for it. Does that

798
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: it's still why do they want to kill it? Do

799
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: they really care about your employees that much? If so, No,

800
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: that's that's my question is I don't feel great about it.

801
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: I have an outlet. They know that I have people

802
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 1: that are in need and very much want the protein,

803
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: and that the deer will not be wasted. UM. I

804
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: think a lot of it's the you know, deer camp

805
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: experience and sitting around and and eating and drinking. But

806
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: then they know that there's an outlet for the protein. Um.

807
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: It obviously benefits someone, they know it. But I feel

808
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: a little bit uncomfortable when they feel good about themselves

809
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: that you know, they're hunting and they feel that there's

810
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: some altruistic outlet for it. It's that's just not the

811
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: way hunting should be. It should be you know obviously

812
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: that that they have every intention of consuming the animal themselves.

813
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: So I feel like I set up an environment sometimes

814
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: that I'm a little conflicted. But you know what, when

815
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: I'm up at my fish shack in Alaska and we're

816
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: stacking up salmon and hall of it, I'm I already know.

817
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: I already know that I'm going to give a bunch

818
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: of it to my neighbors who are hardly needy, not

819
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: even kind of sort of needing. So if I came

820
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: to your fish shack with the intention of fishing, knowing

821
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: that I'm not taking it, that you're going to give

822
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: it to your let's to your neighbors that are not needing,

823
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: does that change it? If? Okay, here's what we're getting

824
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: into the nitty gritty. This is interesting. Let's say you're

825
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: at my fish shack and you said to me, you

826
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: know what, dude, funny thing. Oh, we've we've been stacking

827
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: up sam and halibot. I don't eat fish. I'm gonna

828
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: give this all to my neighbors. I would say, you

829
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: can't take any home with you. If you said, dude,

830
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: I love eating fish, definitely playing and eating fish. And

831
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: you know what else, I'm excited about sharing some of

832
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: my neighbors. I'd be like all right, bro, let's load

833
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: your cooler up. It's just like it doesn't make any sense.

834
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like, um, it's not buying, it's not

835
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: binary for me. It's like it's like it's just different. Man.

836
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: It's like because I need to know the more, Like

837
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: I need to be comfortable with the motivation, and I

838
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: need to be like like when you see the fish

839
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: come up out of the depths, like when you see

840
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: the hall of it come up out of the depths,

841
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: Like I need to know what you're looking at. I

842
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: need to like what you see. Of course it's a fish,

843
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: but what do you see of the fish? And that's

844
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: important to me? And and and and so you're looking

845
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: for your looking for like clues is like what does

846
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: this person see when he sees a fish? It feels

847
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: a little bit you know. I've had people that I

848
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: have not asked back because they felt a little bit

849
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: more like they were into killing. And I'm the outlet

850
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: for the ORO team, you know, so I didn't feel

851
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: like they were truly bought into the hunting experience. Um

852
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: So although they know there's um, you know, a charitable

853
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: element to it, I just don't feel like they there

854
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: they have skin in the game. You know what you

855
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: can do if you were a real prick, if you

856
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: got a guy like this, take him he gets the

857
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: elk or gets a deer, you'd be like, you know what, man,

858
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: I don't feel like messing with this. Let's just take

859
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: the head and split And if he says, yeah, you're right,

860
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: then you don't how to fight him back. You score

861
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: him immediately to the edge of the property. It's a

862
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: good litmus test. I got a buddy who might be uh,

863
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: throw an even different direction into it or different layer. Rather.

864
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 1: He loves to hunt, hates killing like eats it, eat

865
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: eats meat, but doesn't really like he'd be fine with donating.

866
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: Like he's the type of dude who would if he

867
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: knew if he was on a deer hunt and everybody's like,

868
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna donate all these deer, he would love it

869
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: because he would get the aspect of hunting, he'd feel

870
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: better about the killing, and he wouldn't have to deal

871
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, but he doesn't. He like hates killing ship,

872
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 1: but he also like doesn't really want to deal with

873
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: so what does He needs to find something? And it's

874
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: so weird. He loves duck hunting because he likes the

875
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: the like an ammidity of when you're hunting with like

876
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes and a bunch of ducks come

877
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: in because you're like everybody's shooting, You're like, I don't

878
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: really know who shot what, you know what I mean.

879
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: But he also loves he likes the idea and goes

880
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: deer and turkey hunting. My father described that about being

881
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: in World War Two where he said, uh, he was

882
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: in a situation once where he like very definitely needed

883
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: to kill something, like he killed someone, was like very

884
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: obvious that he killed a person, and that weighed on him.

885
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: But all the time you spend where everybody's just shooting

886
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: and all the stuff, you never need to He taught

887
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: about that. He says, you don't know. And then it

888
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: came a point where he he killed a person with

889
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: a hand grenade whoa and um was certain did it happened?

890
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: And he says, and that's the thing I think about,

891
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: not just like mordering someplace and everyone shooting and just

892
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: mayhem and you know, but the minute you go like,

893
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: oh man, that was my action, that's the one that

894
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: stuck with him. That's heavy and if I remember right too.

895
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: He was telling me he thought the person was drunk,

896
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: but then another relative of mine heard the story. He

897
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: didn't hear that part. He thought they were drunk, a

898
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 1: person was drunk and maybe lost. Weird man at night

899
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: in the dark. Yeah, he never forgave the Germans. Have

900
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: I talked about this? Yes? He did. Yeah, I never

901
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: forgave him. Do you work up a good pitch for

902
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: that book? Absolutely? Okay. I think that the Meat Eater

903
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: book needs to be tied in with a guy's ability

904
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: to get women. I think that I think it, and

905
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: you went you went to business school. It can expose

906
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: him to his lady friend that he's sensitive, that he

907
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: knows how to uh you know. It could open up

908
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: the idea that he gets to hunt more. Um, as

909
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: long as he brings, you know, a good meal and

910
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: a bottle of wine to the dinner table. Um. I

911
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: think you could do some type of promotion where if

912
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: a guy does meet a woman, he has to buy

913
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: five more cookbooks. So um, I would I would definitely

914
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: take this on as my number one product. I love

915
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: What was your backup sales pitch? Um? My backup sales

916
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: pitch would be and get a the women to buy

917
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: it for their man. Okay, it's not gonna it's not

918
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: gonna lead. Um. It makes the woman appear to be

919
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: sensitive and cares about her man and what he likes

920
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: to do on the side, and it's something that they

921
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: could do together. I think that uh, gall and a

922
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: guy could definitely uh create a new life together with

923
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: a meatia or cookbook. Good man, I think we've got

924
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: a kind of a matchmaker going male female female male.

925
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,919
Speaker 1: Great job, Matt, I hate that, great job. Think he's right.

926
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't think your bullshit us. Oh no, there's no question.

927
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: I actually intend to do it. I've been married twenty

928
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: six years, so I'll let you know how it goes.

929
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: Uh So, just I want a little bit about the

930
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: book for real, not even of course it's for real,

931
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: but I really do need people to go buy the book.

932
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: And you're not gonna like it's a beautiful book, right, honest? Yes,

933
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: how long have you been working on this book? When

934
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: do we go to Wyoming and crating those beavers? Oh

935
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: that was like two thousand and sixteen, Now we're working

936
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: on it. Before then, not much that was that was spring,

937
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, probably not imagine how much work. This was

938
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: two and a half years because that was the first

939
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: thing we started to try to collect, because we realized

940
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: it would be hard, and we were uniquely suited to

941
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: make the book because we wanted to start collecting processing

942
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: photos um and collect processing photos of things that people

943
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't weren't going to be likely to be able to

944
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: go and get all of a sudden. So we have

945
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: processing photos in the book of like how to process,

946
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: how to cut up and process things ranging from wild pig,

947
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: wait till dear my ma he mahi, crabs, turtle, turtle.

948
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: We had pictures of the beaver, but it didn't make it, no,

949
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: but the beaver tail recipe is in there. How to

950
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: process for I mean, yeah, I'm not even kind of

951
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: like scratching the surface yet. How to process, cleaning process bullfrogs,

952
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: how to cleaning process squirrels, how to cleaning process rabbits.

953
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: A thousand ways to cut game birds meaning how dispatch cockbirds,

954
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: how to cut them in half, breast them, plucking them skinless,

955
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: boneless brass. All of this information is in the book.

956
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: Hit that book over here, man, you're just admiring the

957
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: beautiful pictures. Oh man, I love it. That's definitely what

958
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: everybody does the first time they open it and skim

959
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: through it. Everybody sort of looks the pictures and skims

960
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: over the words. So we started collecting all these processing

961
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: photos and in the meantime, like dirt Myth has tons

962
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: of photographs in here because he took a lot of

963
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: what we in the working on it. We would call

964
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: them the lifestylers. So there's a lot of like lifestyle

965
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 1: or pictures in here. Another section that we put in here,

966
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: um and everything. So like early when I mentioned how

967
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: it's laid out, where it's laid out into these chapters

968
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: where it goes big games, small game, water foul upland birds,

969
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: freshwater fish, saltwater fish, reptiles and amphibian shellfish and crustaceans,

970
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: and there's like an extra thing called basic and not

971
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: so basic, sauces, sides, sauces sides, and accompaniments. And each

972
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: chapter was broken out with like an introduction of what's

973
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: going on. It kind of gives like general thoughts about

974
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: the thing, all kinds of beautiful pictures, and then we

975
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: have this section that we worked on a fair bit

976
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: called the Nature of the Beast, And what I try

977
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: to capture in the book and explain to people is

978
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: that I don't generally think that. Well, let me put

979
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: this way. Sometimes like you'll you'll go online will put

980
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: up a thing where it's like a recipe for an

981
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: elk hert, and someone will say, oh, do you have

982
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: a recipe for a moose heart? And kind of an

983
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: operating thesis in this wild Game book is that that

984
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: the species of the animal that we're talking about when

985
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: it comes to say, horned and antlered game, that the

986
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: species of the animal does not matter as much as

987
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: the cut. Do we talk about this on a recent

988
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: podcast episode? Yeah, I'm I don't know about recent. I'm

989
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: sure that we've covered it at some point. But meaning

990
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: a shank recipe when it comes to horned and antlered game, say,

991
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: and in the case of shanks, also black bears and

992
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: wild pigs, that a shank recipe is a shank recipe

993
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you have a shank from an antelope,

994
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: a mule, deer, a white tail, just doesn't matter. It's

995
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: like cooking shank is cooking shank. So I try to

996
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: get away from these like cookbooks, these wild game cookbooks

997
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: and that and I own many to break it out,

998
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: or like here's the antelope recipes, here's the white tail recipes,

999
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: here's the mule to elk recipes. Because it's just like

1000
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: this is a much better way to approach wild game. However,

1001
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: there are like exceptions, and so each chapter has this

1002
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: section called the Nature of the Beast, where it's kind

1003
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: of like tasting notes on all the different varieties, sort

1004
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: of like general best practices and guidelines. So for the

1005
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: big game nature of the beasts, it's sort of like

1006
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: a general breakdown, like what are what are American prong

1007
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: horner analope, like, like, what are they known for? What

1008
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: are some of the things you can expect from the

1009
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: meat on them? Same with black bear, caribou, elk, moose,

1010
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: mule de your white tailed deer, wild pigs, like like generally,

1011
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: what are best practices for handling them? And what are

1012
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: the exceptions? And what it's meant to be is it's

1013
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: meant to serve as a thing to help guide you

1014
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: through substitutions. If you live in the stern the US

1015
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: and you only hunt white tailers, you might be like,

1016
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: what does it do me? Because I'm just dealing with

1017
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: white tails anyways. But keep in mind that we do

1018
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: the same thing, the same nature of the beast thing

1019
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: for freshwater fish, where we talk about all your all

1020
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: of your varieties of freshwater fish, your panfish, the different

1021
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: bass species, northerns picke roll smell, salmon, trout, you name it,

1022
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: all of the guidelines on like best practices for handling

1023
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: the fish and how to figure out substitutions. So when

1024
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: you're on something and you're looking, this guy's got like, oh,

1025
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: here's a great walleye recipe, say, well, I don't fish walleye.

1026
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: How do you make sense of the fish that you

1027
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: do have in order to be able to use them

1028
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: in generally cooking, um, and generally cooking and using substitutions,

1029
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: Because I think that in a wild game cooking, it's

1030
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: like really important to get away from this idea that

1031
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: there is such a thing as a walleye recipe. There's

1032
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: really not. I would say, there's a recipe for mild, white,

1033
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: flaky freshwater fish, for sure, And so how do I

1034
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: help you make sense of that? Um. Gambrel skinning, So

1035
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: how to skin animal on a gambrel? How to do

1036
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: it on the ground, So like a detailed piece about

1037
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: how to go ahead and like break down big giant

1038
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: animals laying on the ground. Um. And then we put

1039
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: all these other kind of like little micro sections in

1040
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: here where we have a thing about the big buck myth.

1041
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of like even wild game cooks

1042
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: always push this idea that's like young animals are really

1043
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: good to eat and big bucks are no good eats.

1044
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: So we kind of like put that to test and

1045
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that. We have sections on

1046
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: evidence of sex requirements, sections on what want and waste means,

1047
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: sections on chronic waste and disease. How to completely bone out, Um,

1048
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, how to how to tabletop bone out a

1049
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: white tail deer, and what cuts you want to wind

1050
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: up with. So when you're working on your white tail

1051
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: deer and you want to plan out where you have

1052
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: a variety of meals you can eat throughout the year,

1053
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: how to like cut your white tailed deer up, what

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01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: you should do, like different ways of approaching the front legs,

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Speaker 1: boning them out for burger, using them, cutting it for osabuco,

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Speaker 1: cutting it for blade ross. I don't know. Jump in here.

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Speaker 1: If you need to ribs whole ribs not whole ribs,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I was gonna say that, uh, And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure most cookbooks do this, most authors of cookbooks

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Speaker 1: do this. But I was impressed with how christ how

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Speaker 1: did you say your last um who put more? Who

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01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,959
Speaker 1: put more op into this book than anybody else? Yes, yeah,

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01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: we definitely owe her a lot of credit. But she

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01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: made sure that every recipe in there was like not

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Speaker 1: only checked and vetted, but probably three, four, sometimes six

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Speaker 1: times over by professional chefs and sometimes by two and

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Speaker 1: three professional chefs. And then she would say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm not quite ad on. You know that t smokes

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Speaker 1: duck brass recipe, which so far is like one of

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Speaker 1: my favorites. It was a real eye opener for me

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01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: because I got to try it because she asked me

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01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: to try it to make sure the timing was right

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01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: to get it to the temp. And if you've never

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01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: tried it, it's smoked, but it's something you just do

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01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: at home with like you basically make your own mini smoker.

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01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: Was by just lining a pain with lunium foil and

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Speaker 1: putting lid on it. Sweet recipe, and Uh, I tried

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Speaker 1: it and I was like, yeah, it was spot on,

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Speaker 1: you know whatever. It was eight or ten minutes of

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Speaker 1: smoking and it was spot on. So um, I was

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Speaker 1: just impressed how much emphasis she put into that, really

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Speaker 1: vetting the recipes and making sure that they were just

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01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: like super dialed in. Yeah, we knew. I've known Krista

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Speaker 1: Ruaine for years because the production company, zero point zero

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Speaker 1: Production is always produced Meat Eat or the TV show. Um,

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01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: well yeah, they like like Yanni is the producer of

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Speaker 1: the show. We work on it. I work on writing, hosting, conceptualizing,

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01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: Yanni conceptualizing and producing. But the company that's done on

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01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: her and it handles all the post production things at

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01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: zero point zero Production, and Christa does other stuff with

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01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: them because they do a lot of food content. And

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01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: Christa is oversaw the creation of the book and took

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01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: a lot of like and you know, and she's worked

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Speaker 1: for quite a number of famous, you know, celebrity chefs

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01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: and and other uh you know, high end restaurant chefs

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01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: and took a lot of those best practices make sure.

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Speaker 1: And so we ran it through where she has a

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Speaker 1: team of recipe testers that we would run all the

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Speaker 1: stuff through. And she was also really good about making

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Speaker 1: sure that that in going through it, that we had

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01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: recipes that accounted for everything. So we have like how

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01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: to make scotch eggs from the big game section, how

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01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: to make scotch eggs, different ways of handling liver, weighs

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01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: to handle marrow bones, weighs to handle raw venison, uh tongue,

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01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: and then like general things like how to roast a

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01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: hunk of meat to perfect and is one of the

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Speaker 1: recipes in here where it's like rather than just giving

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01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: a recipe, it's like how like how to do it,

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01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: like like a technique for how to make perfect roast

1110
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: all the time. And then loin and then we make

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01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: sure to have like particular things so like wild hog dishes,

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01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: and then a bunch of bulk wild game sausages and

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01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: a pictorial explanation of how to stuff and make your

1114
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: own sausages. How to do burger like general best practices

1115
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: and how to handle big game burger when it comes

1116
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: to cutting with fat or not, and how to go

1117
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: about doing all that by yourself. Um, all kinds of

1118
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: preparations for ground meat, ways of making pick meat for tacos,

1119
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: how to handle bone and ribs off antler, big game.

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Speaker 1: More recipes on how to cook shanks and asabuco, how

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01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: to can meet. Yeah, I needed that one. It did

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01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,959
Speaker 1: a bunch of jerky stuff, jer stuff. I came out

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01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: out of that no feeling like that. Rab packs is

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01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: the way to go. Yeah, Rob pack can me when

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01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: I was a little boy. When you can meet, you

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01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: always browned. At first, it just seems like the logical

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01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: thing to deal. Putting a bunch of rotten meat in

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01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: your glass jar and then sticking into a pressure cooker

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01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like the logical thing to do, But when

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01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: you do both of them side by side, you end

1131
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: up with a better product by doing it that way.

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01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: The thing that you found when you were working on it, um,

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01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: that I thought was interesting is when you brown it,

1134
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: it firms Yeah, it firms up, and so it doesn't

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01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: pack is tight. But my mom candle a lot of

1136
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: venison man, and um, yeah, you brown in the cubes

1137
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: and they firm up, and then you get that you

1138
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: wind up with a lot of aerospace and you got

1139
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: a top of with liquid. But when you wet pack,

1140
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: it's just meat mhm. And I realized I think that

1141
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: you're like, by doing the browning, a lot of that

1142
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: flavor was being left in the pan and the juices

1143
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: were being left in the pan and maybe evaporating, where

1144
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: when you just put the raw into the can, it

1145
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: can't go anywhere. All in there. We had when I

1146
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: was a kid, we had my mom had a canning room.

1147
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: It was like the laundry room, but the hallway that

1148
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: led to the laund room was called the canning room.

1149
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: And my dad had built wooden shelves and it was

1150
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: lined with canned venison and all the stuff that came

1151
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: out of our garden, and my mom would go to

1152
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: the farmer's market and can all that and it was

1153
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: like you're walking down a corridor of canning jars. That

1154
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: was old day stuff. Man. I used to think it

1155
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: was cool. Another thing that people like about the book

1156
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: is if you watch media or the TV show, there's

1157
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: certain recipes that really hit us hard. Like, for instance,

1158
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: we did a hog trap and Rest episode down in Texas.

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Speaker 1: In the end the end of the show, we took

1160
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: our pigs to a guy that processes wild hogs. Clayton

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01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: Saunders was his name, and Divine Texas and he made

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01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: the best wild pig shoulder I ever had in my

1163
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: life and had like that special sop that he learned

1164
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: from someone. Was it his daddy taught him how to

1165
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: make the sop or some crazy thing like that. I

1166
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: can't remember, but I use it all the time. That

1167
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: stop is good stuff. And then when you're done stopping

1168
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: with it, you just add a little more catch up

1169
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: and reduce it a little bit and it makes the

1170
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: finest barbecue. So so there are certain recipes in here

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01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: that you might know from the show that we went

1172
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: and dialed in and tested and make sure they got

1173
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: it right. And those recipes are in here, like that's

1174
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: called the South Texas wild hog shoulder. And then just

1175
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: how to smoke finally, like and this is one of

1176
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: the ones that took a lot of testing to get

1177
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: it where it would work for anyone, is how to

1178
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: take a whole deer leg so you kill you know,

1179
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: you kill a white tail, take it back leg? How

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01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: to brine and smoke a hole deer leg? And I

1181
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: think that we eventually hit on probably a pretty failsafe

1182
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: way of doing it, the key being you need to

1183
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: brine it way longer than you think do. But it

1184
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: was one we did and did and did and finally

1185
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: got where I am like very confident that any Joe Schmock,

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01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: even rich founder, Yeah, you're not even candle. You're not

1187
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: gonna get a gray beer. Like. But when we did

1188
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: it with that sick of beer recently, it came out perfect.

1189
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: I think it's dialed now so now here here like

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01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: take for instance here, you know, I wish I had

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01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: one of those numbers called now one. Anywhere books are sold,

1192
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: you're going you go on Amazon right now, to pause

1193
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: right now and go on Amazon and then you just go.

1194
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: Once you get it done, just go about your day,

1195
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: turn off the go, listen to something else. But I'm

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01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: just gonna so bear with me. So we opened up.

1197
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: I opened up the small game section, and we have

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01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: our Nature of the Beast stuff. So we talked all

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Speaker 1: about the different kinds of squirrels, gray squirrels, fox squirrels,

1200
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: pine squirrels. Right, black face, gray face, explain all that

1201
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: get into rabbits. You're talking about Eastern cotton tails, swamp rabbits,

1202
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: mountain cotton tails, snowsh your hair is jack rabbits. What's

1203
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 1: all up with those? Then the aquatic rodent sections, so

1204
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: like tasting notes on muskrats, beavers, tasting notes on the

1205
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 1: rogue outliers like raccoon, porcupine possum and then get into

1206
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: different ways of skinning, so like pants and legs or

1207
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,799
Speaker 1: shirts and pants method of skin in for cotton tails.

1208
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: Yanni has a beautiful demonstration of how to tail skin

1209
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: turned out really nice tailskin and squirrels done very well.

1210
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: You can get a good look at the of the

1211
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: Latvian power ring in this section how to part during

1212
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: and I went out and shot that squirrel together? How

1213
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: to uh, how to part out like best practices and

1214
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: partying out rabbits and squirrels and the serving sized portions.

1215
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: And then how to make buffalo wild wings or buffalo

1216
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: hot wings, which are called we call him and here

1217
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: buffalo hot legs. How to take squirrel and rabbit and

1218
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: make a thinking man's wild wing hot wing? What do

1219
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: you call them? People? It's a great photograph for that

1220
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: one too. Yeah, the old school lunch tray. You got

1221
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,719
Speaker 1: your blue cheese, you got your celery sticks, your carrot sticks,

1222
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: you got a can of soda pop, a big plate

1223
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: of squirrel hot legs, buffalo hot legs its beer. Yeah,

1224
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: probably like a single hop, I think, um. Yeah. So

1225
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: how to make inside matt inside jug How to make

1226
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: buffalo wings with squirrel and rabbit, and it is like, like,

1227
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: I think that is a great have you had it? Mark?

1228
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: Can I make you something this week? We already got

1229
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: three squirrels. Um, I will make you some of that

1230
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: sounds really good. Here's one that not a lot of

1231
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: that you might like the pictures for, even though a

1232
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: lot of guys aren't likely to make it, is how

1233
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: to fire roast a beaver tail and kind the story

1234
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: of how that came to be a thing from the

1235
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 1: Mountain Man era. How to roast beaver tail and get

1236
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 1: the fat out of it. Here's another. There's another thing

1237
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 1: like if you watch the Media TV show and we

1238
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,440
Speaker 1: go down to do a small game episode with Kevin Murphy,

1239
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: we have Kevin Murphy's recipe in Kevin Murphy's word, Kentucky

1240
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: style squirrel gravery with cat heead biscuits, straight from Kevin Murphy,

1241
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 1: all about how to make cat heead biscuits. Then you're

1242
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: going to rabbit curry, gumbo, barbecue, smoked beaver sandwiches rabbit

1243
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 1: or squirrel and creamy mustard sauce. Catch a tory. Then

1244
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: we go into waterfowl and we got the same thing.

1245
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: We got the tasting notes and then the different processing things.

1246
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: So all explaining all about like dabbling ducks, how to

1247
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: handle and think about teal, wood ducks, mallards, pintails, black ducks,

1248
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: widge and goad walls, shovelers, how to think about your divers.

1249
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: Where you got your your kind of high end divers

1250
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: like canvasbacks, redheads, ring neck ducks and scott scoterers, and

1251
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: you got your lower end divers like afful heads and

1252
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: golden eyes. Then you got your lolo in organzers. Like

1253
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: what can you do with these things? How best to

1254
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: handle them? To wind up with passable stuff? Then all

1255
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: kinds of thoughts on geese Canada, geese, white front snows cranes,

1256
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: like what these different things mean? A big breakdown on

1257
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,799
Speaker 1: all how to use all manner of guts from everything

1258
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: you hunt, with a big section on bird giblets, So

1259
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: how to do gizzard's hearts, livers from all your water

1260
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: fouling upland game birds, how to clean your gizzards out?

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Speaker 1: How to d tendon Like if you're ever eating a

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Speaker 1: duck and you wind up with how the back legs,

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01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: there's so many tendants almost makes it like not worthwhile.

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01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: Oh there's laughing powering there y'all need demonstrated at how

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01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: to how to cut a duck's leg and pull the

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01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: foot so you pull all the tendons out of the

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01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: back leg and you want with a much better product.

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Speaker 1: How to burn off pin hairs with a blowtorch. When

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Speaker 1: you're doing it my special way of cutting mallard ducks,

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01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: you wind up with a boneless breast and in bone

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01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: in leg, bone in thigh, and drumstick, which is a

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01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: genius way of doing it. Handling geese. How to make

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01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: a waterfowl liver patte, skewered and grilled duck hearts which

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01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: can be substituted with turkey hearts, goose hearts, and explanations

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01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Duc nachos, wild goose pastrami,

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Speaker 1: soy sauce, duck ginger, scallion oil tea smoke, duck braised

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Speaker 1: waterfoul seared goose. How to make duck Ravioli's. Should I

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Speaker 1: go on, You're just making it really hungry. It is

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01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: dinner at time, we haven't even dinner yet, and this

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01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: is really getting to tell me. Um, yeah, that's all.

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01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: Like I said, I told you up front was the

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Speaker 1: worst episode of the podcast. Everybody's one I just had

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01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: to do because I just want people to know about

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01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: the fact that we put a lot of work and

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01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: a lot of time, and tons of people worked on it.

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01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: And it's like the I feel that it is the

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01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: It's like the Magnum Opus. Man, It's like the Great

1288
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: Compendium of wild Game Cooking, Ultimate Stocking Stuffer, Big Stocking

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01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: combined with berry white and a bottle of wine. I'm

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01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: telling you, you'll sell like hotcakes. Yeah. And and I

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01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: was just doing that really annoying run through what's in there,

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01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: but I didn't even begin to scratch the surface because

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01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: we hadn't gotten in all the fishing parts and hadn't

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01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: gotten into a lot of the hunting parts. Do you

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01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: envision that maybe a hundred years from now, someone might

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01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: come upon this old cookbook and look at it and

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01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: be inspired to go out and try to find all

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01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: the ingredients necessary to recreate these recipes. It would be

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01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: such a could that possibly happen? Dude? That would be

1300
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: like if in a hundred years someone wanted to make

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01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: a movie. Um, it would be a great movie. Yeah,

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01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: that someone would do with that what I did with

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01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 1: the scopier. You really need to buy three copies. One

1304
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: is the present and you really need to have to

1305
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:08,799
Speaker 1: for yourself because it is coffee table worthy. It's totally

1306
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,440
Speaker 1: worthy of just having a clean coffee coffee table copy

1307
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: to flip through as you're a coffee and and then yeah,

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01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: the one that's gonna go right next to the joy

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01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: of cooking in the pantry get all scuffed up, dirty, Yeah,

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01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 1: covered in blood and grease. It's a big hardcover book

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Speaker 1: with the dust with the dust jacket, and on the

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01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 1: front is a really beautiful picture of game ribs and

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01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: a moose antler um. That's all man. It's like a

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Speaker 1: lot of times at the end of these shows, I'll

1315
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: talk about how you can really do us a good

1316
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: turn or do us a real solid by going onto

1317
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: the Apple Store and clicking the right most star to

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01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 1: give us a five star rating. I'll talk about that

1319
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, or to go to the meat eater

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01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: dot com in and get our newsletter, which is very

1321
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 1: helpful to me if people go and do that. But

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01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 1: this is the greatest uh favor I could ever ask

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01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: of listeners of the show. As you go and in

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01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: in in order the cookbook. Now, that's all man. You

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01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: got any concluding thoughts. Honest, do you think we're screwing

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01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: people by having an episode like this? No, not at all,

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01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: because I've been paying attention to the the old time

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Speaker 1: the clock here, and uh, I feel like they got

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01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 1: a very entertaining forty minutes before you ever even jumped

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Speaker 1: into selling the cookbook. So we did them right in

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01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: a hundred and forty some episodes, and there's one episode

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01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: that's all about people just need to do me a

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01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: huge favorite. So if you do one and one forty,

1334
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: that's not that bad, not that bad at all. No,

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01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: if you're gonna complain about this one, then you just

1336
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: you're like the worst kind of freeloader out there. That's right,

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Speaker 1: I do. It's kind of a concluding thought. But do

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Speaker 1: I really want to tell you less people think that

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Speaker 1: I'm just really not doing my job. I want to

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Speaker 1: tell you about why rabbits eat their own posies. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is straight from this is written recently by an

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Speaker 1: intern at the McGill Office for Science and Society. Rabbits

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01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: are forging herbivores, eating mostly grass and weeds, but this

1344
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 1: fibrous cellulose rich diet isn't the easiest type to digest

1345
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: and by the time dinner has made it through their intestines,

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01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 1: it still contains many of the nutrients rabbits need. Rabbits

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Speaker 1: and hair's beat this problem with a special kind of

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01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: digestion called hindgut fermentation. And short they eat their own

1349
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: poop and digested a second time. Um. They actually make

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01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: two different kinds of droppings, little black round ones, which

1351
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: is probably the ones we're most often seeing, and then

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01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:48,759
Speaker 1: a softer black one known as second tropes that are eaten.

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01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: And this process is known as you said it earlier,

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01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: Say it again, I don't. Yeah, coprophagi and functions the

1355
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: same cows or out deer chewing their cud. So and

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01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: it's and it's not only is important because they're getting

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01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: that kind of second harvest, you remember that joke, but

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01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: it keeps their digestive system flowing smoothly, so they have

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01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: to do it. I used to know a good joke

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01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: about a man who has made to eat uh another

1361
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 1: man's feces, and I always like the punch line. The

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01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: punch line was I had lunch with him two weeks ago. Monday, Mark,

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Speaker 1: you got to concluding thoughts by the book, and you

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01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: know not to ask too much. But if you like it,

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01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 1: I imagine you'd appreciate a review on Amazon. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: or by two Mark Kenny from Wire to Hunt, thanks

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01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 1: for joining us. You didn't get that. You didn't get

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Speaker 1: to lay a lot, a whole lot of white tail

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01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: wisdom on us. No, hopefully we'll have another chance. I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping we have no chance. So we have some white

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Speaker 1: tailed adventures today, and we'll have more tomorrow and the

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Speaker 1: next day. And you had what he called his number

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01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 1: one best day of deer hunting ever today. We should

1374
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: tease that. Listen to a future episode to find out

1375
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: what happened Ridge Pounder by the book? Man's it just

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01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 1: by it? By a couple of copies? Do you think

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01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: they should do it just because I'm begging it? Like?

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01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: Is it that? Like? No, they should do it because

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01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: if they actually are like into any of this stuff,

1380
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: it'll be a game changer. I do think it would

1381
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: be different if you spend a whole podcast talking about

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01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: why they should buy the book, but the book was

1383
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: actually lousy, then you could say, all right, this is

1384
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 1: pretty rough. The fact that you're doing them a favor

1385
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: by telling them about the best wild game clickbook out there.

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01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna do. It's too late for

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01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,719
Speaker 1: anyone to be helpful. But I'm gonna call this episode

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01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: begging and pleading so that people don't get the wrong

1389
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 1: impression about what the episode is. But then they'll they

1390
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: won't know it'll be helpful still, or you could call

1391
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: doing you a favor. No, I think I'm gonna call it. Yeah,

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01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: you know what. I like that better. I'm gonna call

1393
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: it doing you a favor. It's a good idea. Mark.

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01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna call it begging and pleading, which is

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01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 1: so pathetic. Yeah, you gotta come from from position of strength.

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Speaker 1: Steve Seth Morris, Thanksgivings coming, Oh yeah, and talk about Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: There's a shiploaded recipes in there that would be fitting.

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Speaker 1: Oh dude, do you mind take it away? Okay, my

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01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 1: brother knows the chef and the chef. It's a long story.

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01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: My brother hangs out with a chef who doesn't hunt,

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01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 1: but my brother would present him with wild turkeys, and

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01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: the chef, over time, to my brother's estimation, perfected the

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01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: art of making a Thanksgiving turkey with a wild turkey,

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01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: which is no mean tap, no small taps. He perfected

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01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: it where my brother says it is not just the

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01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 1: best wild turkey, but the best turkey it exists. It's

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01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: cooked by this man named Shannon, and he allowed us

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01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: to use his recipe, so this is the first time

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Speaker 1: it's ever been printed. Wow, and worked with us to

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01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 1: go through the process. And then we've beautifully photographed this thing.

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01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: But this man's creation of the perfect whole roasted wild turkey,

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01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: it's in there in there that that's one reason alone,

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01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: just to buy the damn thing. So go on Thanksgiving,

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01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: Thanksgivings coming, Christmas is coming, Valentine's Valentine's Memorial Day, you know.

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01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: And if if you don't even like to cook at all,

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01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: but you like appreciate really fine photography, just by the

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01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 1: damn book, or if you shoot deer and bring him

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01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: to a food bank, you should bring that book down

1419
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: to the food bank to drop it out by the

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01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 1: book and donate to the food bank. Matt concluding thought, Yeah,

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01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 1: first of all, I don't think this podcast has been

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01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: a commercial. I think it's reinforcing people's passion for um,

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01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: everything that you guys are about. This guy's get reinforcing

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01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: your passion. Thanks Matt, Thank you. All right, guys, um,

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01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: thank you for bearing with me as I present to

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01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: you The Meat Eater, Fish and Game Cookbook, Recipes and

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01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: techniques for every hunter and angler. Buy one now, or hell,

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Speaker 1: buy two. Have a good night.