1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal ull that for me, I'm 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for dake Ata State? 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 3: Is that? 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: Woo woom and Dan and tie Happy Monday, Dan. We've 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: got a new Verballer Top twelve poll ooh went live 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: this morning. One through four is Georgia, Michigan, Texas, and 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: Florida State. Five through twelve is Washington, USC, Ohio State, 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: Penn State, Notre Dame, your Oregon Ducks, the Utah Utes, 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: and the Oregon State Beavers. Notably, notably no Alabama in 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: the top twelve. Can you believe it? 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: Struggling with USF. Sure, Yeah, this is a fluid thing, 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: and struggling with USF with a tech Texis loss just 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: ahead of it. Like, what are you actually saying about 16 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: this year's Alabama team in terms of who they've beaten 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: and why they deserve to be there? So I like 18 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: the fluidity of the Verballer Top twelve only available at 19 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: verballers dot com. It's a weird year because we've grown 20 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: so accustomed via Georgia via you know twenty nineteen lsu 21 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: Via there always being like a team that seems to 22 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: stand apart, and maybe it's Georgia once again. Maybe it's 23 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: Michigan with its act together with an actual head coach 24 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 2: on its sideline. If there's anything to be blamed on 25 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 2: the rotating cast of interim guys for Michigan, Florida State 26 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: looking like they were excellent, and then struggling with BC 27 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: Texas struggling with Wyoming. Washington is really truly the only 28 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: team to overwhelmingly take care of its business thus far, 29 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: considering opponent, considering results, you look at the rest of it, 30 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: like Penn State struggling, Ohio State looking off. Nor Dame 31 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: has been very, very good. I don't know how you 32 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: can quantify that. Oregon struggling with Texas Tech Utah we 33 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,639 Speaker 2: don't have a sense of because they don't have Cam Rising, 34 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: so they've struggled a little bit to separate. And Oregon 35 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: State hasn't played anybody, and so usually by this point 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: you're like, oh man, they're looking like the class of 37 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: the sport. 38 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: I don't fully know who that is. Maybe aside from Washington. 39 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: That was one of the recurring themes that we got 40 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: when we put out questions for this episode. This is 41 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: Our Burning Questions episode. Yea. The full version is available 42 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: out on forballers dot com. This is like the Patreon peak. 43 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: You get the Patreon preview of what's to come. And yeah, 44 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: I mean that was one of the things that people 45 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: said time and again, right, it was like who are 46 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: the alphas this year? Who were the alpha? Who are 47 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: the top dogs? We had come into the season with 48 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: an assumption of who we thought those teams would be. 49 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if we know enough at this point 50 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: to say that we're necessarily wrong on that front, but 51 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: it feels like through three weeks of the college football season, 52 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: there's I don't know, there's a lot more parity than expected. 53 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: Some questions about is that due to the transfer portal? 54 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: Is that due to coaching? Is it due to quarterback turnover? 55 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: You could have a million theories as to why that's 56 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: the case, But I don't necessarily disagree that it feels 57 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: like we're set up for maybe one of the most 58 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: wide open years of college football we've had a long time. 59 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: Is that a good thing? 60 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 3: Like? 61 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: Is it a good thing that? And I will only 62 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: speak for myself or for the two of us, Is 63 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: it a good thing that now three weeks into the 64 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: season four for some teams that the sense we have 65 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: is still pretty murky, that I don't know how much 66 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: we want to hold Georgia's first half against South Carolina, 67 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: or if the sort of underlying whispers about georgia offensive 68 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: inconsistency is something that's going to bear out over the 69 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: course of their still pretty disappointing schedule, maybe even a 70 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: little bit more disappointing with Tennessee's specific loss to Florida. 71 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: But if we're going to hold that start against Georgia, 72 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: do you like going into the final however, many eleven, 73 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: twelve weeks of the season thinking, I guess it's just 74 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: a Rutgers year. I guess it's just Rutgers coming out 75 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: of the Big Ten East, and everything else will fall 76 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: into place around the fighting Chianos of Piscataway. Like I 77 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: think it's great because as much as I love knowing 78 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: going into weekend like, oh man, we have such a 79 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 2: great concept of this number three against this number seven, 80 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: I kind of like the uh, you know, going into 81 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: the dance with a little jitters ty, what's it going 82 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 2: to be like when the slow song hits? 83 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: I like that, I do, and I think most college 84 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: football fans feel that way too. I think one of 85 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: the biggest arguments against college football, right against college football, 86 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: against maybe the four team playoff, as I think I've 87 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: made in the past, is that when you go into 88 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: a season with this feeling of inevitability around Georgia or 89 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: in Alabama, even around Ohio State. I could list a 90 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: thousand teams here, but that sense of inevitability turns people away. 91 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: And when you go into a year or even into 92 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: a week feeling like it is a foregone conclusion, people 93 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: hate that. People hate that. Now, part of what makes 94 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: college football great is the fact that you can be 95 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: a twenty something point underdog and you can still win 96 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: the game. You can be Boston College and still have 97 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: a shot inside two minutes if you don't pull the 98 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: face mask of a Florida State ball carrier to win 99 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: the game. That only happens to college football. It's not 100 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: something that you see across major sports across the board 101 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: here in the United States. 102 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 2: I think there is something about being able to align 103 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: your expectations, like what right when you set the bar 104 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: at Georgia, when you set the bar at the best 105 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: of Ohio State if they lose or if they struggle 106 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: with the team, then you can make judgments based on that. 107 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: Right. 108 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: It's the white balance effect that like, Okay, this is 109 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: where I'm going to set my camera. This is what 110 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: white value is. And so if we have a great 111 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 2: sense of what the top is, then we can sort 112 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: of filter in everything beneath it. And so like in 113 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: this instance, you're like, oh man, Texas upset Alabama, how 114 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: huge is that? Well, if Alabama goes eight and four, 115 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: not as huge. 116 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: Right. Some people compared the Texas win perhaps to what 117 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: we saw a couple of years back when Notre Dame 118 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: in Texas played very early on in the season, right, 119 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: jakeeen Wheeler. We drew conclusions based on that, and then 120 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: they were all wrong with the time we got to 121 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: the end of the year. Right. 122 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: So it sets a bar, it sets a standard when 123 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: you have those teams as bad as it makes you 124 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: know the inevitability feeling, and if you care about the 125 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: national championship and you know that your team doesn't recruit 126 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: like a potential national champion, it takes some of that 127 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: luster off of it. But at the same time, when 128 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,119 Speaker 2: you have the like, oh man, these are the Power five, 129 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: it makes upset spicier, it makes struggles spicier, It lets 130 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: you point to something. It gives you, as a fan, 131 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 2: a north star of hope for where your program could 132 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 2: possibly go or get closer to. So that's why I 133 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: appreciate as a to steal Ben Golliver's term a win 134 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: connoisseur tie, not a whine, a win connoisseur. But at 135 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: the same time, I love the chaos of week to week, 136 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: just shrugging and not knowing what's going to happen. 137 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, college football is built on upsets, It's built on 138 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: the art of the possible in a way, and it 139 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: is very much built on chaos. Yeah, it is very 140 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: much built on chaos. And I can't imagine in the 141 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: history of our show, going back fifteen years now. I 142 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: was trying to think of this earlier, going back fifteen 143 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,679 Speaker 1: years headed into Week four feeling like I knew less 144 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: than I do in twenty twenty three. Yeah, I really 145 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: don't feel like I know who's good and who is 146 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: and I have a pretty good sense for where the 147 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: top is, but in terms of who is good who 148 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: is not good? Man, we could talk about twenty five teams. 149 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: I truly don't know about a bunch of these teams. 150 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: How it's going to shake out by the time all 151 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: of a sudden done. Yeah, I agree. 152 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: And the only other drawback I would say, because again 153 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: I think it's a net very positive thing, is we're 154 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: seeing some of this happen as it coincides with underwhelming 155 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: quarterback play. 156 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 157 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: Right, So it's just like, oh, it's cool that Alabama 158 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: is not excellent. You know, the SEC is more wide open. 159 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: Who's going to challenge Georgia or maybe George is not 160 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: the same without Stetson Bennett. But like, if it means 161 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: more Alabama offensive displays against USF over the course of 162 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 2: this year, against Ole Miss, against Arkansas, against Texts A 163 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: and M whatever, I don't see that as necessarily a 164 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: positive thing if we have to sit through those types 165 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: of offenses. So hopefully this chaotic, the chaotic nature of 166 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:47,599 Speaker 2: the early season expresses itself with quarterback development and improvement 167 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: over the course of the year, not like, well, Kyle 168 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: McCord looks different than CJ. Stroud and I just want 169 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: all of that to improve so that the standard in 170 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 2: the bar keeps rising. 171 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: That's all. For those of you who are new to 172 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: the show, welcome, My name is Tye Hilbred. His name's 173 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: Deandrews to with the sliverble culture while podcast, make sure 174 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: you hit follow or subscribe. All of that stuff, of 175 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: course helps us grow the show. If you've been listening 176 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: for a while and have yet to leave us a 177 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: review out on Apple, we would encourage you to do 178 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: so as well. 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You also get 188 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: access to all sorts of other bonus perks that you 189 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: can read all about once you get out there again, Dan, 190 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: what is that? Rl verbalers dot com verballers dot com, 191 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 1: thank you so. Look, because we're streaming live this year 192 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: on and Saturday nights at midnight out on the YouTube channel. 193 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: We have some games to walk through very quickly, ones 194 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: that we could not address because it weren't over when 195 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: we were doing our live stream. We also had a 196 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: bit of a production snaffo with the Internet going down 197 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: at the home of our chief reverb engineers, Shay. Yes, 198 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: so why don't we start there. The reverb line, the 199 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: original college football voicemail line, thank you, Oh look at 200 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: you was poppin'. It was buzzing deep into Saturday night. 201 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: Let's start with your week three reverbs. Here's what you 202 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: all had to say. 203 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: Shay's log, September sixteenth, twenty twenty three. 204 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: No food, no water, no internet. 205 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: The only reverbs I can hear is my own voice 206 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 2: echoing off the cave walls and back and forth inside 207 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 2: my own head. 208 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: Wait, wait, I think I'm getting some reception. We cannot 209 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: provide an estimate for restoral of service at this time. 210 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: Hey Dan, this is Matt from Brooklyn. 211 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 3: This is Curtison, Greensboro, Ross and Georgia Big Bulldogs fan here. 212 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: I guess I'm just gonna have to get used to 213 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 3: having heart attacks in the first half of games and 214 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 3: then recovering in the hospital with a win for the Tails. 215 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: Two haves for the South Carolina game costs? 216 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 4: Are you all getting the feeling that I'm getting that 217 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 4: twenty twenty three Texas over Bama is feeling a little 218 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 4: bit like twenty sixteen Texas over Notre Dame. 219 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: First time, long time here, As an Ohio State fan, 220 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 3: I don't know it's worth watching it sixty four to 221 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 3: ten wins and feeling like you're gonna get your butt 222 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: kicked next week, or happen to hear that Texas is 223 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: back again, just back question mark. 224 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 5: A moral victory is a loss where something good happens 225 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 5: that you can hang your head on. 226 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: The opposite could be having to come back from being 227 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: seventeen down. I guess ODU it's a win, but it 228 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: feels like a loss. No, Yeah, sure, every college football 229 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: media pundit in the entire universe Florida State win the 230 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: national Championship. I believe you. That's when on the Blue Baby, 231 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: Let's go Broncos. 232 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 4: Just calling in with our weekly update on Brian Drive 233 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 4: for twenty five. 234 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: It was a. 235 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 3: Big day for the Iowa Hawkeyes. 236 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: And only need to score twenty three. 237 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 4: Point eight points a game for Brian to keep his 238 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 4: job next year. 239 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 3: I gotta be real, honest, if we can score twenty 240 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: three point eight points a game against Penn State. 241 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: A little hot and bothered by that. There are so 242 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: many commercials. 243 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 4: There are so many commercials. You know, if I'm a 244 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 4: Scott Baderfield, I wanted to follow up my huge road 245 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 4: win at pitt I don't think I would lose to 246 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 4: Miami at home in action forever, Baby, Goamy. 247 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: That was my grandpa's seventy second game in a row 248 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: in Miami, won for the first time since two thousand 249 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: and five. 250 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 5: Go Red Hawks, Florida. 251 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: You'll always be home, sweet home to me. 252 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 4: Good swampland who Tennessee? 253 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 5: Who's your daddy? I want to handle my inner tie 254 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 5: and say that I thought Ford was going to give 255 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 5: Syracuse to the defense Cardiac orat but instead they got 256 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 5: traded tonight by the Oranges offense. 257 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 6: I just witnessed offsetting penalties during a sideline interview with 258 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 6: same Drapper offsets. We live in the simulation, and whoever's 259 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 6: running it is getting forward. 260 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 3: I'm watching the Colorado Colorado State. It's half time, just 261 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: so everyone realizes how much college football has changed. 262 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 5: Do you remember when Daz Bryant was suspended from playing 263 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 5: for having lunch with the on standers. 264 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: This is Adam from Pennsylvania and on behalf of all 265 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: Pop ten teams. I want to say when your clunkers. 266 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 6: For a while I've been wondering why Ti Well so 267 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 6: down Andrew Pine and then he came in. 268 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: On the first to drive through the fund wol Strip 269 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: time under duress. Yes, Daniel, it was Pine time in Tempe. Yeah. 270 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,479 Speaker 1: As Arizona State lost at home twenty nine to nil 271 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: to Fresno State. We also had Arizona by twenty one 272 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: over UTEP. We had Kansas and a bit of a 273 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: nail bier getting by Nevada thirty one twenty four late drive. Yeah, 274 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: and then there was a big and there was the 275 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: two overtime thriller in Boulder between Colorado and Colorado State, 276 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: a bit of a comeback at the end led by 277 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: Shador Sanders yep, whas. Yeah, we watched it sort of 278 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: as we were both keyed up after our livestream at midnight. 279 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: As Colorado came from behind and won over Colorado State 280 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: forty three to thirty five. We could talk through some 281 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: of those briefly, but big thanks again to everybody who 282 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: dialed into eight five to five verbal three that is 283 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: the new reverbline eight five five verbal three. That's eight 284 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: five five eight three seven two two five three. Put 285 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: it in your phone, give us a call. All throughout 286 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: college football week four, it will be kind of nuts. 287 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: This weekends me great. 288 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 6: Uh. 289 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: Any thoughts on those games that we saw, Of course, 290 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: the show piece was the Colorado Colorado State matchup. Travis 291 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: Hunter took a hit, went to the hospital, going to 292 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: be out three weeks, so that will obviously and unfortunately 293 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: affect his availability for some of the big games that 294 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: are on the docket over the next couple weeks, notably 295 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: at Oregon this week, notably back home against USC in 296 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: Week five. I was really impressed by Shador Sanders. Not 297 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: so much impressed by the Colorado defense, but that's kind 298 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: of secondary, secondary, when we talk about this whole Colorado 299 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: project in twenty twenty three. I thought Shador looked really, 300 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: really good down the stretch. 301 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: Yes, he looked very good. The Colorado State game plan 302 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: on defense seemed to be cheap shots and penalties, which 303 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: I thought. The hit on Travis Hunter was completely unnecessary, 304 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: just brutal and just I wish that he is back 305 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: and you know, has a speedy recovery. The offensive game 306 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: plan for Colorado State was super sound as soon as 307 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: they realized that Colorado was not tackling in the open field, 308 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: and they just kept calling crossers and drag routes and 309 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 2: you know, forced them to make a million tiny tackles, 310 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: which they didn't do super successful. I think the Rams 311 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: had two receivers go over one hundred yards on the game, 312 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: and they moved the ball well. They just I think 313 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: they were up what twenty eight to seventeen in the 314 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: fourth quarter. Ye got to be able to sustain because 315 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: Colorado still has that even without Travis Hunter, that ability 316 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: to hit bigger plays change the the calculus of the 317 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: field pretty quickly. With still with Xavier Weaver and Joe 318 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: Horn junior, Jimmy Jimmy Horn Jon excuse yeah, Joe Horn 319 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 2: Junior I think was a different guy South Carolina I 320 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 2: think had a horn. Anyway, it was really nice to see, 321 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 2: even if it was Colorado State. Even this is if 322 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 2: this is a Colorado State program that's just kind of 323 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: bowl ish at the moment, if they're going to improve 324 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: this year upon last year, if they're like a five 325 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: hundred type program, that Colorado once again when faced with 326 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 2: a back and forth, is able to find ways to win. Now, 327 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: it makes me downgrade Colorado a little bit because if 328 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: we're going to believe, if the hype is justified and 329 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: having every if the Today Show is live and bolder, 330 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: if MTV is sending people, if the the BCC, the 331 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: BBC is sending people to Boulder, you know, you'd like 332 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: a team to be able to pull away from Colorado 333 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: State at home. I don't think that's too much to ask, 334 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: but winning is better than losing, and Colorado really has 335 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: an opportunity now in Hutson Stadium and hosting USC unfortunately 336 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: without Travis Hunter, but yeah that I wouldn't call it 337 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: taking care of business with some of their struggles. 338 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: A lot of cheap shots in this game, yeah, a 339 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: lot of game from the Rams. A lot of cheap 340 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: shots in this game, which was incredibly ironic given Jane 341 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: Norville's comments about you know, Mama raised him right and 342 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: that type of thing, right, just such a weird backdrop 343 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: for this game. And then with all the cheap shots. 344 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: And I don't know that Door. 345 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 2: Sanders tried to poke a guy's eye out, Yeah, yeah, 346 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: and I think that was in retaliation, but still it was. 347 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: It was not a pretty watch, no from especially from 348 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 2: Colorado State. But Colorado lives to fight another day, and 349 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 2: they are undefeated, and all eyes are going to be 350 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: on Eugene this coming weekend because the Buffs now in 351 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: a season with somewhat of an attention vacuum, given some 352 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: of the new phases at quarterback at big places, given 353 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 2: the suddenly big spotlight on the PAC twelve, both because 354 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: of its teams and because it's the final year of 355 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: the PAC twelve. They are happy, uh to fill that vacuum. 356 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: Think they're going to get drilled this weekend. I think this. 357 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: I think the story, the Cinderella component of this, which 358 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: is them continuing to win win, it ends this weekend 359 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: in a big way, I think. 360 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: And I haven't fully meditated on how I feel like 361 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 2: this game is going to go, but I think the 362 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: talent difference between Oregon and TCU, Nebraska and Colorado State 363 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: will be obvious pretty early. 364 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: On different different league altogether. It's a different league and 365 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: and the venue. 366 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: You know, it's one thing to beat a couple of 367 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: those teams TCU during the daytime with a bunch of 368 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 2: new and then with Oregon, Oregon returns. 369 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: I think it's an afternoon game, I believe, or evening 370 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: three thirty. 371 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: It'll it'll go into the evening as a game wears on, 372 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: but I think, yeah, it's I think it's going to 373 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 2: be loud. 374 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you mentioned the pac Twelvey. The only other 375 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: thing I wanted to mention is that Arizona State's in 376 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: a weird place right now. They're rebuilding kind of after 377 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: the flood that was Herm Edwards and the Caterack thing 378 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: has been a point of conversation for us for a 379 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: multitude of reasons. Right, they got Jayden Reshata, the true freshman, 380 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: gets the start, but he gets hurt. He's going to 381 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: be out a while. Then they turned two weeks maybe 382 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: red shirting, Yeah, probably red shirting if Kenny Dillingham has 383 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: its way. Then they turned it over to Trent Borga, 384 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: who also got hurt. And then they turned it over 385 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: to Drew Pine, who also got hurt. And eventually it 386 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: was Jacob Conover, I believe, a red shirt sophomore, also 387 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: a transfer, who went the rest of the way. Six 388 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: interceptions in total for asu Asu. This weekend, if memory serves, 389 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: has a game against usc which does not figure to 390 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: vote all that well, that line opened around thirty and 391 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: a half, it quickly jumped to thirty four. We'll talk 392 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: about that game, not in great detail, but at least 393 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: a little bit when we do the Wednesday live stream. 394 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: I mention this game in particular because we did get 395 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: a question that is, for me, one of the burning 396 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: questions through I think the early part of this season. 397 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: Dan Okay, This question came to us from Jake, who 398 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: wanted to know what a one lost Georgia make the 399 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: playoff this year. He goes, I'm ninety nine percent sure 400 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: just based on them being a two time defend champion, 401 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: but honestly, who in the SEC is a good loss 402 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: based on what we've seen so far on a broader, 403 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: more general level. Mm hmm. I think what we've seen, 404 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: if you just want to use the top twenty five 405 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: as some sort of guide, we've seen the PAC twelve 406 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: really rise so far this year, and I think there's 407 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: a pretty strong case, if not an indisputable case, thus 408 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: far through three weeks, that the PAC twelve is the 409 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: best conference. 410 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's looking to be the strongest conference at the 411 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: moment in terms of quality of play. Yes, And it 412 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: got me to. 413 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: Thinking, all right, well, what's the second best conference? Where 414 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: does the SEC rank in that matrix? And then, furthermore, 415 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: to Jake's point, where's Georgia rank in all this? Should 416 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: the inevitable happen? And I say inevitable jokingly, but should 417 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: this situation occur where Georgia gets lost in the schedule? 418 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: Who cares if it's a regular season or conference championship? Okay, 419 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: but given where we think the SEC is at and 420 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: some of the I don't know to multual situations that 421 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: I think are brewing in the SEC, and given what 422 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: we think we know of Georgia, does a one lost 423 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: Georgia still make the playoff? 424 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 2: No team in the country will have the benefit of 425 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 2: the doubt that Georgia will have that even if they 426 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: have a loss. I don't know what that loss looks like. 427 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: If you're going to say that Georgia loses fifty five 428 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: to three to Tennessee, I suppose we can have a 429 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: different conversation. 430 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: For the purposes of this conversation, Let's say that let's 431 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: say that Georgia loses to Florida. Okay, let's say Georgia 432 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: loses the Cocktail Party to Florida. Okay, wins out the 433 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: rest of the way. Graham mirts over Georgia. Hold on, 434 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: I have to get into the headspace. You can't just 435 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: loss over that hypothetical detail. Yeah, okay, while Florida is 436 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: riding high, and while while there's a lot of good 437 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: vibes on Florida figuring out their run game and obviously 438 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: beating Tennessee at home, let's for the purposes of this 439 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: thought experiment, Yeah, Georgia loses to Florida, then what. 440 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: I don't know, they become the number twelve team in 441 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 2: the country and went out and if they still win 442 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: the SEC. I don't believe there is a universe in 443 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 2: which the SEC champion doesn't make the playoff, especially in 444 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 2: a year in which we still have the Big three 445 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: in the Big Ten undefeated, we have an undefeated Texas 446 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 2: in Oklahoma, and we have all of those like I 447 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 2: think Georgia will still make the playoff in that situation, 448 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 2: because in that situation, in that universe, we're talking about 449 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: a Florida team that is presumably, if they're good enough 450 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 2: to be Georgia and good enough to be Tennessee, they're 451 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 2: probably gonna win ten games. 452 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: Wow, right, I don't honestly believe that that's possible. I know, 453 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: I know, but they think they looked a lot better 454 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: against Tennessee. They really did, I know. 455 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: Okay, you can then make your parlay a bunch of 456 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: Florida optimism this week and both all the weeks moving 457 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: forward if you truly believe it. So okay, no, the 458 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: SEC champion, if George is the SEC champion, they will 459 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: go if they have one loss, and that one loss 460 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 2: is to I don't know LSU in the championship game. 461 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: Or something like that. 462 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: I LSU at that point is probably twelve and one 463 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 2: without an SEC loss somewhere in that vicinity, and then 464 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: you're talking about still getting two SEC teams in that 465 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 2: you're going to compare LSU's loss to Florida State to 466 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: other teams losing, and the loss wasn't pretty, but it 467 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: was on a neutral field and it was Week one, 468 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 2: and so that's somewhat excusable at that point, as we've 469 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 2: seen in the past with like Ohio States having their 470 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: Virginia Tech loss seem excusable to get into the playoff. Sure, 471 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 2: and at that point you're also talking about LSU as 472 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 2: the champion, so they're in. I mean, I think that's 473 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: the reality of the sport. So I don't see a 474 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: universe in which Georgia with one loss, depending on the 475 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 2: nature of the loss and to to who they lose, 476 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: I just think they're going to get that benet because 477 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 2: if you're comparing them against who is like Oregon or 478 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 2: USC with one loss, I just think they're going to 479 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 2: get in. 480 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: The perception is still there. They're gonna get benefit of 481 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: the doubt. But I do think it really calls into 482 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: question where the SEC is at right now. I know, 483 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: but what do you actually believe? Well, I believe that 484 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: the best team in the SEC is still Georgia, and 485 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: one loss, Georgia still gets into the playoffs. Okay, However, 486 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: I also believe that the SEC is in a state 487 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: of weakness that we have not seen in a long time. 488 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: I agree. And if you told me on this show 489 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: that the SEC is the third best conference, I wouldn't 490 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: have an argument against that. I think that's fine. I 491 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't have an argument against that. And that just feels 492 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: very uncomfortable to me. You know, like when you move 493 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: into a new house and for the first few nights 494 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: you can't get a good night's sleep because you wake 495 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: up and you're like, wait, where's the bathroom. Yeah, that's 496 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: where I feel I am at right now with all 497 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: things SEC, and that's weird to me. Maybe that's why 498 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: I'm rambling here because I'm just not used to this. 499 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, a one lost George just still gets 500 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: in Jake. I think that's a foregone conclusion, if only 501 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: because they're a two time defending champion. But that being said, 502 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: the SEC definitely not as strong as we've seen before, 503 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: and that leads us down a very very weird pathway here. 504 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, we got to see how this 505 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: all shakes out. They can put Jalen Milroe back in 506 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: down in Tuscaloosa in two weeks and they be just 507 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: fine the rest of the way. I don't know, but 508 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it. Just it feels like we're in 509 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: uncharted territory a bit, and because of that, that's the 510 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: only reason I flinched when I saw this question. 511 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 2: Also, where we are in week three is not where 512 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: we're going to be in week eight. A lot of 513 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: these teams haven't even played a conference game yet, and 514 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 2: so we're only going on the data in which we have, 515 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: but that means who hasn't played an SEC game? Arkansas, 516 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 2: Texas A and m Kentucky has ole misplayed an SEC game. 517 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 2: I know they have Alabama this coming week, so we 518 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: haven't even seen the SEC play against each other fully 519 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: or even partially yet, So I'm not fully I'm not 520 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 2: rushing to a place to say like, oh, the SEC 521 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: is way way down. I can get to that place 522 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 2: based on maybe another week or two watching quarterbacks. Like 523 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: if you're going to say, well, the Arkansas offensive line 524 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 2: is me a problem, Arkansas is not quite bye like ooh, 525 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 2: I'm downgrading Arkansas. What Mississippi State looked like against LSU 526 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 2: might not be what they look like in week nine. 527 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 2: I'm downgrading Mississippi State at the moment. I feel pretty 528 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: confident in downgrading them in the way that they let 529 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 2: Arizona back in that game. South Carolina along the lines 530 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 2: doesn't do much for me, so I don't see them 531 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: building on last year. They don't do much for them either. 532 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: They don't do much for them either. I'm still not 533 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: gonna sit here and say like, well, Florida is a 534 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 2: fully different team than I thought two weeks ago based 535 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 2: on their win against Tennessee. I think we saw the 536 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: best of Graham Meertz. The best of Grammertz was also 537 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 2: something like six yards per attempt. Like, let's not pretend 538 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 2: he was Brady Cook, who apparently is the new north 539 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: star of quality quarterback play in the SEC. But let's 540 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: not say, let's not like, let's not suppose that you know, 541 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 2: what we're seeing from Grammartz is the beginning of something special. 542 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 2: Like I hope he has a successful year because that 543 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 2: would be a nice turnaround story. But like, let's not 544 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: sit here and say, like, well, Florida Dearrin. 545 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: Miszoo fans driving off the road at the notion that 546 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: Brady Cook is the north star of quarterbacks in the SEC. 547 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: But right now, the quarterbacks in the SEC that I'm 548 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: positive are worth a damn are Jayden Daniels, maybe Jackson Dart, 549 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 2: maybe Connor Wegman. 550 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: And who Joe Milton. 551 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 2: I know kJ Jefferson is good, but I don't know 552 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: what kind of year he's going to have behind this 553 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: offensive line. Joe Milton positive? 554 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: Your positive? Joe Milton is good. I'm pretty positive. 555 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 556 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: Okay, that Clemson wind doesn't look as special, does it? 557 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: It really does. 558 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 2: No I'm just what that's where we are right now 559 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 2: in the SEC which is wild to think about, but 560 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 2: still that I mean and half Georgia, the version of 561 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: Georgia in the second half is maybe the best team 562 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 2: in the country what they look like against South Carolina, 563 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: And so you I think we have to come to 564 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: expect a little bit of sleepwalking. Two national championships in 565 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: in a row from Georgia this year. Like I just 566 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: you know, like the old thing with like the Golden 567 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: State Warriors, Like how often are they going to care 568 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 2: about a game on February fourteenth, How often are they 569 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: going to care about a game on March twenty fourth 570 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: I think we can expect some sleepwalking flip the switch 571 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: when it's time from Georgia this year, because it just 572 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 2: takes a lot out of you that kind of run. 573 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: So look, we're going to continue this conversation as part 574 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,719 Speaker 1: of the full episode out on Patreon verbolers dot com. 575 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: We've got questions here. We had a ton of questions 576 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: that came in, burning questions from the verballer hood. I 577 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: also have a second question from me and from others 578 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: out there on Patreon about Tommy Reese and this Alabama offense, 579 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: So we're going to get into all of that in 580 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: much much more again. Verballers dot com is where you 581 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: can go if you want to hear the full episode. 582 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: Don't get to hit follow or subscribes that you also 583 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: get access to all of our other public content. We've 584 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: got a live stream coming up on Wednesday at noon 585 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: where we're going to preview a wild Week four. I 586 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: am so very excited for that Dan, but in the meantime, 587 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: love it for myself to Hilleberg, for that guy, Dan Rubenstein. 588 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: Let's keep it going over on the patroon