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Speaker 3: Of the day.

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Speaker 2: New Oreo flavors are coming into the stores. The golden

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Speaker 2: Americans and this matters. Meanwhile, Colorado, as you know by now,

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court in Colorado issued a ruling against Donald

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Speaker 2: on Section three of the fourteenth Amendment to the US

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Speaker 2: office and holding public office if they have quote engaged

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Speaker 2: in insurrection or rebellion. And to talk to us about

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Speaker 2: it's a pleasure to welcome back to the program the

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Speaker 2: UC Berkeley School of laud Dean Erwin Chimerinsky, Professor Chimerinsky, how.

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Speaker 3: Are you, m Well, it's great to talk with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a while. Thanks for jumping on with us.

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Speaker 2: So I want to I have to start by qualifying

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Speaker 2: this my comments here. I believe that Ronald Trump is

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Speaker 2: guilty of all of this. That's my personal opinion, all right.

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Speaker 2: But with that said, here's my problem with what happened

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Speaker 2: doing is punishing somebody on allegations, and I don't see

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Speaker 3: The Constitution creates a number of limits on who can

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Speaker 3: you have to be a natural born citizen, you have

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Speaker 3: can't have participate in insurrection or rebellion. The question is

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Speaker 3: who needs to determine those things. Two law professors who

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Speaker 3: it doesn't require a conviction in order to be able

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Speaker 3: to invoke Section three of the fourteenth Amendment. It finds

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Speaker 3: that Donald Trump engage rebelliant or insurrection or aided rebellion

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Speaker 3: or insurrection. That's enough to disqualify him.

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Speaker 2: Well that's I mean, I'm not who might argue with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm not only not a lawyer, I don't even add

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Speaker 2: weird because all of the other disqualifiers are quantifiable, easily quantifiable.

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Speaker 2: You've either been in the country fourteen years, you have it.

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Speaker 2: You're either a natural born citizen or you're not. You're

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Speaker 2: they're all easily verified. You don't need to go to

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Speaker 2: And while I may personally believe that he's guilty of insurrection,

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Speaker 3: You've just said two different things. One is that it

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Speaker 3: The trial court and the Colorado Supreme Court found that

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Speaker 3: not what the language of the Fourteenth Amendment says. It

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Speaker 3: Very much so, and I think it's a good thing

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Speaker 3: Section three means the same thing everywhere. To answer your question,

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Speaker 3: Since January sixth part of the insurrection of rebellion and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the political question doctrine.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, and I think I think one possible outcome in

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Speaker 3: that's a political question too? To constitutional provisions of meaning

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Speaker 2: Them, Well, that's right, And that's an interesting argument. I

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Speaker 2: That eventually, I do believe there are former Confederates who

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Speaker 3: Everything was correct. There's one qualification is important. Between eighteen

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Speaker 2: Is there such a thing, in your opinion settled law?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 2: The reason I asked that is that because we always

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Speaker 2: a political argument again. I mean, there were many people

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Speaker 3: Well, roversu. Wade was settled law for forty nine years.

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Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that I never thought I

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Speaker 2: The Supreme Court itself, you know, was attacked by people

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Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. And right now, the Supreme

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Speaker 3: And going to your prior point, we've had how many

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Speaker 2: Well, I was pointed to two thousand and I thought

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Speaker 2: got a lot to talk about. We're chatting with Professor

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Speaker 3: It's not. And what makes it different now and campus

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Speaker 3: Of course, you're right. There can be wealthy countries doing

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how we're gonna pull out of this,

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Speaker 2: These are real issues. So we'll just stumble on and

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Speaker 2: Erwin Chimerinsky from the UC, the dean of the UC

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Speaker 2: when Rome fell? Remember when Rome fell, Deborah? Remember that?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh, Yeah, just like it was a couple

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelts on demand from KFI AM six.

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Speaker 2: Forty McIntyre info John Cobbolt on the John Cobbolt Show,

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Speaker 2: and we are Chris Merrill at four o'clock in for

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Speaker 2: Timmy correct. I believe that is correct. That's what I

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Speaker 2: And there was an incident a few years ago anyway,

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Speaker 2: happy to be with you. And I'm going to be

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Speaker 2: in for Gary and Shannon on the twenty seventh, twenty eighth,

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Speaker 2: which includes Deborah, Mark and Eric and Richie, we are

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Speaker 2: Never's been bringing this story, the beautiful bridge that they

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Speaker 2: with pock mark holes and gullies. I mean, I wish

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Speaker 2: I was kidding weeds. At one point we had a

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Speaker 2: ground squirrel infestation where during the game, the squirrels used

434
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Speaker 2: to pop up like whack a mole. I want to say,

435
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 2: give them a glove and maybe you can make a

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Speaker 2: play for us. And we've tried over gone to the commissioner,

437
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 2: the Parks Department commissioner meetings and begged them for We've

438
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: brought big posters showing the damage and the injuries by

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Speaker 2: the way, contusions and broken bones and scars from post

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Speaker 2: surgical repairs to the players faces after they get hit

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Speaker 2: by balls that bounce up and injured people just you know,

442
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks, you get some action and

443
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: then it starts backsliding again, over and over and over again,

444
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: petitions and photos and lobbying to no effect. And that's

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Speaker 2: what happens. Then people just give up. They just give

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00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: up and say, well, it's pointless. And maybe that has

447
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Speaker 2: something to do with the story that we're going to

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00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: be talking about next hour, which is, for the third

449
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Speaker 2: year in a row, California has lost population, including and

450
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Speaker 2: very damaging to the bottom line. Some of the wealthiest

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Speaker 2: people who live in California have voted with their feet

452
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: and they've split. And you know that's a bad sign.

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00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 2: It's a bad sign when the public infrastructure is vandalized

454
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Speaker 2: and looted and the streets go dark because the lights

455
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: have been the copper wires have been pulled out of

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Speaker 2: the lights, or a public park you can't have a

457
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Speaker 2: bathroom in the public park without it being destroyed. And

458
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: the city can't maintain its basic infrastructure where they say,

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00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: he come out and play softball, we've got leagues, and

460
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: then you go out there and you have a real

461
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: good risk of being injured because they won't maintain the facilities.

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Speaker 2: And then meanwhile you see you're losing the tax base

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00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 2: as businesses close and move out of state, or people

464
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: just say, you know, I've lived here my whole life.

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Speaker 2: My family's from here, but I'm getting out of town

466
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Speaker 2: and I'm taking my retirement savings with me, and we're

467
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: mailing pension checks to Idaho and to Arizona, to Florida,

468
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 2: and all that money's leaving California. And then we got

469
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Speaker 2: a sixty eight billion dollar deficit, so you know, this

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Speaker 2: is not a sign of a place that's being run properly.

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Speaker 2: It is six six forty four. I was six forty

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Speaker 2: is the call letters right? That's the numbers on the

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Speaker 2: doll That's what I saw. I was looking at the clock,

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Speaker 2: which is two forty four. You want to work until

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Speaker 2: six forty No, I didn't want to work till two

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Speaker 2: forty And now that I've heard that last segment, I'm

477
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Speaker 2: not sure anybody else wanted to be working either.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelts on demand KFI AM six forty.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you're listening out of state former southern California

480
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: resident used to listening to KFI, we'll be talking about

481
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 2: why you moved out of state. In the next hour.

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00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 2: We're also going to check out with Fred Rogan is

483
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: going to talk to us about the signing of a

484
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: major free agent acquisition for the Los Angeles Dodgers, who'll

485
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: put together a super team. Ya. I'mamotos signed with the

486
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: Dodgers to join the pitching staff and that is a big, big,

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00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 2: big deal. So we'll get into that with Fred and

488
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: lots of other things. We're here till four o'clock. And

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Speaker 2: a reminder, I have this book called Frank's Shadow, and

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00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 2: if you would like to get a copy of it

491
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: for Christmas or send it to somebody as a Christmas gift,

492
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: you get signed copies at my website, Doug McIntire dot com,

493
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: or go to that Amazon dot com you've heard about that,

494
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: and mister Bezos will rush you a copy at a

495
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 2: great price. And I think they can get it to

496
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: you if you're one of those prime members before Christmas.

497
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: So go check out Frank's Shadow at Amazon. Oreo announced

498
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: that they're putting out new gluten free golden Oreos as

499
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 2: a permanent fixture in your grocery aisle beginning on January third.

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00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: And they're also bringing back the Oreo cakester with a

501
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: peanut butter cream filling, and that's going to be a

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00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: permanent item on the Oreo isle and for a short

503
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 2: period of time. One of these teasers a limited edition

504
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: black and white cookie edition Oreo, which will be a

505
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: biggie for New Yorkers. So we used to eat in

506
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: those black or anybody goes to Bee's Bakery in the Valley, yep,

507
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: you know you're black and white cookies pretty damn good.

508
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: And they're going to have an Oreo version of the

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00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: black and white cookie in store shelves for a brief

510
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: period of time. Now, I bring this up because I've

511
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 2: discovered something, and I don't let you know about this.

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00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: Those of you who eat salad or don't work in radio,

513
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: this doesn't apply to you. But those of us who

514
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: do work in radio, you know, we live on garbage.

515
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: Eric is smiling, but he knows I'm telling the trip. Well,

516
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: I was going to say, Debra sheets rabbit food, so

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00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: she doesn't even I know this supplies. But John Cobbolt

518
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: will be totally in on this. Oh yeah, all right,

519
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: because I have the exact same diet that he does.

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00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: Never a vegetable has crossed my lips of any kind.

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00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 2: You John and al Michaels oh Man, I can't stand.

522
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: I just can't do it. I can't the stuff. I

523
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: have a gag reflex. It's the worst. But when you

524
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: work in radio, you live at a vending machines and

525
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: I have seen in especially when I was doing overnights,

526
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: you know, midnight to five am, that shift. Who you know,

527
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: I've seen rugby scrums over a tic tac that's stuck

528
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: in the carpet. You know, people just dive on it

529
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: like it's a loose ball, you know, at during a

530
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: Rams game. But as a result, I'm kind of an

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Speaker 2: expert on garbage. And one of the major junk food

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00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: categories are Hostess. Everything that Hostess makes, including the immortal

533
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: Hostess cupcake that's got the little white squiggly lined down

534
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: the middle. Oh, I used to love those, you know.

535
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: I saw a skunk in the backyard that had a

536
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: squiggly line down the middle. I almost ate it. But meanwhile,

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00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: here's the deal. You know, Hostess went bankrupt a few

538
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: years ago, and I have no idea how that happened

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00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: in a nation where you know, we have to we

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00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: have an obesity epidemic, we have fat children. I mean really,

541
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: it's a major epidemic. Diabetes. All this I don't know

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00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: how the leading manufacturer of glutenous sugary products could go

543
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 2: out of business, but somehow they did, and then the

544
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: brand got bought, and I think it's been bought and

545
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: sold a couple of times. But here's what I noticed

546
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: that I know I'm right about this. They're not as

547
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: good as they used to be when Hostess was still Hostess.

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00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: You know, when you were in links, you know, you

549
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: were in the mood for one of those squiggly lines

550
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: down in the middle of your cupcake. You jump on it,

551
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: and the Hostess cupcake was a treat. They're still They're

552
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: okay in a pinch. But here's what I discovered. And

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00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, folks, if you're on the

554
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: road and there's a seven eleven front of you, pull in,

555
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: just pull in, because here's what you want to do.

556
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: Go in and get the seven eleven brand, the knockoff

557
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: of the Hostess cupcake. Seven eleven makes its own brand

558
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: of cupcake with the squiggly line down the middle. And

559
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: I'm telling you it's got to be my witness. It's

560
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: amazing and it's probably cheaper right that, I don't know.

561
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: I don't care at any price. It's amazing. It's amazing.

562
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: Now it feel when you open the package, it feels

563
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: a little slimy, like it's got some kind of chemical

564
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: in it that keeps it. But here's the payoff. Well,

565
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: it feels like it's been sweating in the packaging. It's

566
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: so moist compared to the Hostess cupcakes now, which you

567
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: know you need a quart of milk or you'll choke

568
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: to death. It's not safe to eat those things without

569
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: some kind of lubricant. Handy, This thing is self lubricating.

570
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: It's like a self basing turkey. I'm telling you right now, folks,

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00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: you see us seven eleven. Trust me on this. This

572
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: is almost thirty years in the radio business. I know

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00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: junk food, and I wouldn't steal you wrong on something

574
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: as important as a sugary, glutenous snack. Okay, we got

575
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: another hour to go, and we got a lot to

576
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: talk about. I mentioned that mister Rogan will be here,

577
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: which is good. You know, Warner Brothers and Paramount, As

578
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: if there hadn't been enough bad news in Hollywood. Warner

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00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: Brothers in Paramount, two of the iconic studios, and I

580
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: hate using that word, but it's true. In this case

581
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: the gates at Paramount Pictures, the water tower at the

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00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 2: Burbank lot for Warner Brothers. This is you know, the

583
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: closing scene of blazing Saddles when they come tumbling out

584
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: onto Olive Avenue from Warner Brothers. They may be merging,

585
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: and you know what happens when those mergers take place.

586
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: That means fewer and fewer places to work. And we're

587
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: also were going to talk about, for the third year

588
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: in a row, the exodus from California. This is not

589
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: a sign of health. And our friends up in Sacramento,

590
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: who can never lay off a dumb idea, are going

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00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: to mandate that department stores have gender neutral toy aisles. Okay,

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00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: because every other problem has been dealt with in the

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00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,239
Speaker 2: state of California, and we don't have any homeless they

594
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: brought to They've ended gridlock, they canceled the crazy Train.

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00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: They've got the cost of housing under control. Right, They've

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00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: got all those problems, no smog anywhere. They've dealt They've

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00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: built the reservoirs so we don't go into droughts, right,

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00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: all the problems. Gas prices are at an all time low. Absolutely,

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00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: Schools never been better everybody's achieving perfect at their grade

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00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: level above their grade level. Right, they've got all those

601
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: problems under We don't need to have like vending machines

602
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: for narcon because we've got the fentanyl epidemic under control.

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00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: Gender neutral toyisle coming to a department store near you.

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00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: So we've got all that. And by the way, speaking

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00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: of reservoirs, I'll update you on the fact that we

606
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: actually are it looks like possibly making progress that we

607
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: may actually build our first major reservoir in the state

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00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: of California in almost fifty years, which is really hard

609
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: to fathom how we could go that long and figure, well,

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00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: you know, maybe people will just have a bucket and

611
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 2: run around and catch rain drops and somehow that'll solve

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00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: the drought. That is as hard to explain as why

613
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: it took until the nineteen eighties before luggage manufacturers started

614
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: putting wheels on suitcases. This is something that has has

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00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: flummixed me for as long as I've lived that if

616
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: you look at a movie from the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties,

617
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies, and there's a scene at the airport, everybody

618
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: is carrying the luggage because no one had thought to

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00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: put wheels on it. You look at those movies in

620
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: the nineteen forties, people at the docks, they're arriving by ship,

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00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: and there's porters mostly the only way black actors can

622
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: get a job, and their giant steamer trunks on trolleys

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00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,959
Speaker 2: because no one can carry their own luggage. I guess

624
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: that's why they call it luggage. You had to lug it, right,

625
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 2: because nobody thought to put the wheel something that of

626
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 2: the caveman came up with, and they didn't start putting

627
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: wheels on luggage until the nineteen eighties. Inexplicable. Well, that's

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00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: the same thing with building reservoirs in California. Not since

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Speaker 2: the nineteen late seventies has California built a major reservoir

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Speaker 2: in the state. That may change. Right now, we're going

631
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: to change hands. Hand it off to that twenty four

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Speaker 2: hour KFI newsroom for the very latest in traffic and

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Speaker 2: news in Debor.

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Speaker 3: Mark.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast.

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