WEBVTT - Manhattan Transfer w/ Abigail Savage 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:10.240 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:31.720 Done Done, Hello and welcome to That's Messed Up nsview Podcast. 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:36.240 I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Trigger and we talk 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:40.080 SVU True Crime. We have celebrity guests and up top 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:42.960 we cat chat, we chit chat, we have a good time. 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:47.000 So on our shared Google doc, it says anonymous Hyena. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:52.000 Oh, yeah, who the fuck is anonymous Hyaena? Mine's has 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.840 anonymous Dumbo Octopus? What the fuck? 0:00:55.800 --> 0:01:00.319 Keithy? Who is that? Who's in our agenda? That's just like, 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:02.440 that's like me like, but. 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:07.399 It says Casey my view, Casey an anonymous Dumbo Octopus. 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.120 I think one of you is octopus and one of 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:16.360 you is Hyena. Oh, Lisa, you're the anonymous Dumbo Octopus. Wow, 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:21.279 you've changed. You've changed a lot, Lisa. That's so weird. 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.280 Yeah, because it doesn't want to tell me you. I 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:23.600 get it. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.080 But Casey's the owner, so we're allowed to see him, 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.280 but they don't. They don't want to portray your privacy 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.120 as an anonymous Dumbo octopus hyena. 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.800 That's cute? Is that new merch? 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.080 Speaking of, I do think I'm going to take Rosie 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.120 to Lion King in New York. 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.600 Great, this is thrilling. What happens? 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.760 Yeah, yeah, I'm excited. I was telling her about it today. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.200 I was like, everybody dresses up in a costume and 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.360 there's dancing and singing. She goes, can I wear a costume? 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.480 I was like, no, but maybe I'll buy you a 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.760 souvenir so we'll say. Way, did you have to give 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.240 her a speech on like you can't talk and all that? 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:02.840 Or well, I said, you can sit on my lap 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.880 and I'll get to the talking part a little bit 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.320 closer because I don't want that to turn her off 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.240 from going. And when we've gone to movies together, she's quiet. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.200 She'll say like a couple things to me, but like 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:13.160 she'll be pretty quiet. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:17.480 And she's a Bob Baker Marionette regular. Yes, that's true. 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:18.200 That's true too. 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.560 So she's she's had her fair share of live performances. 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.200 Wow, so she's doing Lion King. I'll be in New 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.360 York too. We'll see what happens. You'll kind of bop 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.960 into lion king with us. No, but I would definitely do. 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.880 I'm trying to think what like I would want to 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.640 do with Rosie just run around Central Park, I know. 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.160 I think that's like gonna happen. 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.480 One day, we were talking about maybe and maybe going 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:44.840 to a gallery because we're going with our art friend. 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.640 So that sounds all like stuff you would be down 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:51.560 for one hundred percent. Wait, I have a new thing 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.600 in my life. So I thought Cashi Cereal sucks, you know, 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:59.799 uh huh. But I bought Cashy Maple Waffle Crisp Delicious. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.400 Love it. It's delicious. It tastes like the cinnamon French 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.280 toast that used to do you remember the that look 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.360 like it tastes just like that Kashi is bringing it. 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:11.520 I thought Kashi is a loser like caf Well. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.000 I think when Kashi started, they were just like Fiber. 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.359 It was just like Fiber food. And now I think 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.680 Kashi's like, let's get into the flavor game, you know, 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.560 and they're like, let's we got to diversify. Not enough 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.360 hippies are buying our no offense if you eat like 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.400 regular Kashi. But I feel like it's not exactly the 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:29.320 most delicious thing. 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.120 It's like pellets. It actually looks like gerbil poops. 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.880 Like I remember, I know used to have a stand 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.360 up joke about Kashi and I totally forgot about it. 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.640 But but I'm looking at the box. Sorry, this is 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.200 like riveting information. I know for all of our podcasts, 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.400 this is what we talk about. I'm just looking at 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.880 the box. But yesterday I did watch on Hulu the 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:54.240 New I D Special on Jared from Subway, and we 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:58.480 covered him on an episode. We had a great writer 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.080 on that episode and we got through the horrors of it. 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:07.520 But what's horrible about this one is they play the vote, 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:11.560 they play the recording ass so it's like weird to hear. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.360 It's one thing to hear, oh yeah, this woman went 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.719 undercover and recorded him, and it's another to hear the recordings, like, 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:17.480 oh my god. 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.160 And it fucked up her whole family, like her kids, 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.039 like it fucked up her whole life going undercover, because 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.520 she couldn't share with her children why she was so busy, 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:29.920 but like she was committed to bringing him down. But 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:31.919 when she brought the tapes to the FBI, they're like, 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.599 you actually committed a crime because you have to tell someone, 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.160 and they're like, so we can arrest you. So now 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:39.800 you have to be an informant. And so she had 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:41.920 to do drops in the middle of the night and 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.640 do all of this stuff like all the time. And 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.359 she's like, I have all this evidence for you, just 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.760 get him, and they're like it's not enough yet, and 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:51.839 so like who, you know, the FBI really needs a 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.480 lot good. But then her daughter went into her room 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:58.760 and read through the journals, and that fucked her up 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.039 and the daughter because all she told her kids was 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.200 I'm chasing a bad man. I'm helping find a bad man. 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.120 So then the kids were constantly anxious that someone's gonna 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.760 get them. Any stranger was a bad man. And so 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.120 like the daughter just became anxious, depressed at all these issues, 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.560 like doesn't really talk to the mom really. And then 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.200 the son moved to Taiwan and hasn't been to the 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:24.000 States in five years, and the and he goes, you know, 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.240 what my mom did was selfless because she lost everything 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.880 in the process, so like she brought down this guy 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:33.560 and did you know, I don't know if it was 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.479 months or years. I can't really put it together of 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.760 how much she recorded him, but she pretended to be 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.839 a pedophile into him and like they were gonna pedophile together. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:46.840 So like she so so that's like where she got 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:48.960 him to because he had a crush on her. She 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.840 was like a local reporter. She was a babe. And 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:55.640 so then once she they were talking all the time, 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.359 they were both interested in each other, Well she was 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.560 not for real, and then she just got to open 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.799 up and it was sick. Hearing him say those things 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:08.320 was really fucking sick. Got it, and then we knew, 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.279 you know, he had that partner that race, like the fundraiser. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:15.240 We talk about his two step daughters who he put 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.880 cameras in their room and then they found out that 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.120 the mom there was all this footage, the mom did 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.560 this all like their own mother was oh my god, 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.400 the leader helping him do it. It wasn't like she 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:31.680 was a backseat abused like she was like a pedophile too. 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:32.280 It was funny. 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:34.040 You know who you have to walk watch out for. 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:37.440 Drag queens. That's who it is. It's drag queens. I'm 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.560 sure all of them were drag queens. Jared from Subway, 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:41.040 et cetera. 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.000 Well, that's what's wild. The whole doctor was like, ah, 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.360 we were shocked. We were shocked, he was respected, And 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:47.839 it's like, how many more times do you have to 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.680 be shocked when it's a pastor quote unquote good guy, Like, 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:52.600 how many more good guys have to do it? It's 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:53.799 so weird and annoying. 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.680 It's also kind of wild that like this didn't bring 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:00.400 Subway down, Like Subways just still kicking it the biggest 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.679 franchise business in the world. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:06.160 I think, like, just well, I'm sure they dipped for 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.840 a bit, but like they you know, when was the 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.960 dollar foot longs? Was that pre your post Jared? I 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:13.560 don't I don't know. 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.840 Five dollars foot long I believe was like the King 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.000 of the g That was like the peak with Jared. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:19.840 That was what I was saying, wasn't it five dollars 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:20.640 foot long? I don't know. 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.240 Subway historians, please write to us and tell us. 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:27.480 But his was not because he wasn't eating footlongs. Oh, 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.920 he was eating six inches I think so for like 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.280 diet purposes. He was eating a turkey sub for lunch 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.520 and a veggie delight for dinner. Oh. 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.440 I mean when I was in college, I was so broken. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.040 We would get a foot long we would do half 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:41.600 for lunch half for dinner, and that was like my 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.760 food for the day for some times of college. 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.520 Yeah. I mean the thing is I was craving it. 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.400 As I was watching it. I was like, is it 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:55.360 weird if I get subway now? Oh no, oh no, 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.200 I'm just telling you. I understand how they survived. It's like, yeah, 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.440 I don't know want it, but a few times a 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.680 year I'm like, you know what, I just really need 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:05.560 a tuna sandwich. I know it's not real tuna. 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.880 Yeah, Oh, bubb and Grandma's there, tuna sandwich is great. 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.000 Okay, if I hear about Bubb and Grandma's one more time, just. 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:14.600 Saying I know you wanted to go there, and that's 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.040 one of the thing I had, and I enjoyed it. 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.679 No, I want to go there. I tried going once 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:20.920 and they were done. They were sold out of bread 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.920 or something. I don't know, like at something happened where 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:25.960 I waited in line forever and then they were like, 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.680 no sandwiches, and I was like, okay, you see there's 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.360 a line, so I will try again. But it looks 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.199 cool in there. I would like to try a hip 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:36.360 sick yeah spot. Yeah. 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:40.320 The tables. It's like pretty marble table like it's nice. Anyway, 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.120 what else is going on? I haven't talked to you 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.320 in a couple of days. Have you been well? You 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:48.040 saw Cocaine Bear. I did see Cocaine Bear, and you 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.760 love it. My review is that I really enjoyed it. 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.680 I had a good time. It is like gross, like 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:55.880 there's a lot of like gross like sort of blood 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.680 splatter violence, but it's all kind of also can't be 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.760 in jokey, so I just closed my eyes a bunch 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:03.679 of times and Jared would just tell me when it 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.000 was okay to look and but the but the rest 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.440 of it was like funny and I had a good time. 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.640 The actors are all really funny, like everybody's camping it up, 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.520 maybe except for like Carrie Russell, who's kind of playing 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:19.520 like action like the main star. But you know, so 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:25.280 star said it, Oh my gosh, Jesse Tyler Ferguson, Margot Martindale, 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.720 Carrie Russell, Matthew Reese. So all three carry Russell, Matthew Reves, 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.560 and Margot Martindale. That's an Americans reunion, all three of them. 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.160 I thought they're not really all three in a scene together, 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:36.760 but they're all from the Americans. 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:41.040 Who else is freaking in it? Well? The bear, the 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.839 bear presented at the Oscars. Yeah, oh, do we talk 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:47.600 about the Oscars. I thought the fashion was awesome? Oh yeah, 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.760 who did you like? Everyone? I thought everyone looked so 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.280 good and unique and different and like, I just really 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:59.400 liked everyone's looks. Yeah, I don't know what it was like, 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.679 I excuse scroll down, and like, I mean, usually I 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.760 don't care about men's fashion, and that's that stays for 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:08.000 this year included. But except for Lenny Kravitz in his 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.480 velvet jump soup. But people look red. 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.600 The red like blazer that the guy from Everything Everywhere 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.760 was wearing. I like when guys do something different to 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:19.880 like stand out from like the black tuxes. You know. 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:21.760 I liked what he was wearing. Yeah. I just thought 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:25.200 everyone kind of brought it in a cool way. Yeah, 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:26.520 And it was kind of a cool. 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.920 Like it was like it was definitely like the year 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.880 of like people that just like like coming back around 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:34.680 to get their oscars, you know what I mean, Like 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:36.440 Jamie Lee Curtis had never gotten one. 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.800 Well people are I think everyone wanted Angela this year. 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.760 It was it was definitely an upset. Yes, I love 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.920 Jamie Lee Curtis. She's been in the business forever. But 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:46.760 I think that was definitely one of the upsets. 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:48.960 Angela bassad did the thing. How could we not have 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:50.760 given her the thing for doing the thing? 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.040 Yeah, she dressed her whole family in purple because she 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:59.760 was gonna win, like they were color coordinated. Yeah, it's 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.920 but I haven't seen that movie yet, so I haven't neither. No, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:04.760 everything everywhere I haven't seen yet. 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:06.760 Oh you haven't seen that? Oh yeah, I haven't seen 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:11.800 Wakanda forever. But I but like the speech that Kei 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.120 Hui Kwan gave was like making me cry. He was 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.160 so excited and he's just like a person that thought 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.679 Hollywood had totally just spit him out, and same, I mean, 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.559 so did Brendan Fraser for that matter. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.160 And then they just get like brought back into the fold. 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.040 It's like, I kind of like that directors, like you 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.160 were saying Tarantino the other day, and like, clearly the 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:35.240 Daniels like to bring people back in that are talented 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:36.920 into the fold of Hollywood well. 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.200 And it was cute. So then I saw that Brendan 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:42.480 Fraser and the dude from everywhere everything. They were an 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:47.640 Encino man together. Oh really Yeah, so that was like 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.960 extra fucking cute. But yeah, his credits legit go from 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.160 like nineteen eighty two, then one thing in two or 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.480 seven and then this then everything ever there. 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.000 Yeah, and his wife and he was like, you told 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.240 me to never give up and I didn't. 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.120 And I was like just so sweet. I was like tearing. 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.360 I know, it's so hard because I don't think anyone 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.040 should give up on their dreams, and like, you know, 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.440 every life is long and like keep at it. But 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.560 then it's also like we just know people that should 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.960 quit comedy. Yeah, just don't have it. So it's like 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.560 so hard when it's like, you know, just go go 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.720 support your family. Yeah, I don't know what. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.560 So like you you could also say to yourself, maybe 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:27.559 I just had my moment. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:29.720 It's not like your dreams never came true. They did. 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:31.560 You were in all these big movies in the nineties, 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.839 but like a sustaining career, and like, I hope he 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.760 keeps working. He was awesome in that movie Brendan Fraser. 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.160 I wonder if that was I thought Colin Farrell was 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.520 gonna win. I haven't seen that either, but I don't 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.359 know the whale is the whale is very controversial. 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:50.240 Brendan Fraser came out about being sexually like assaulted at 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.840 the Golden Globes and that's why he was blacklisted. He 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:56.600 was like, right, like a Marissa till Me Ashley Judd 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.400 type moment. Oh yeah, yeah. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.400 But I just I just meant like, the whale is controversial, 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.200 So I didn't know like if people were gonna be 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:06.640 like up in arms, you know, like have you been 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:08.480 have you been seeing stuff about people hating the whale? 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.520 Yeah? I think people just don't like fat suits. Yeah, 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.360 people don't like it, but the Oscars love it. Yeah, 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.400 the makeup one for the fat suit. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:20.240 I was like, I was like, whatever, I'm sure the 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.880 effects are cool. I haven't seen the whale, but in 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.960 Wakanda they're like giving people tusks like they're like you 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:27.800 know what I mean, Like I couldn't believe that, like 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.560 that one best makeup over over that I don't know. 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.560 I was like that seemed weird, but you're right, the 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.040 Oscars do love fat suits. 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:40.360 Yeah. They Well, I'm glad that Elvis lost. Fuck that kid. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.440 He needs a fucking kicking the junk and to sit 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.800 down and work a little harder. He I'm what someone 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:49.880 wrote like he had a little ego death and that 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:50.760 is good for him. 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.839 Yeah, well because and what I was hearing was that 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.880 he was all over Hollywood for weeks, like at every party, 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.520 at every lunch, really shaking the hands and kissing the babies, 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:00.560 trying to get that Oscar. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.040 Yeah, it's ridiculous. What are you twenty four? Sit down 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:08.600 that you're not Jennifer Lawrence. You're not likable. People think 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.240 he's hot, but like, I just don't find him charming 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.400 interesting in any way. 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:17.680 I've heard of him, seen him work, Yeah, I never. 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:19.680 I haven't seen any of his stuff, so I don't. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.640 I don't know. Because someone was telling me, They're like, 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.520 he's incredible, it's the beginning of one. You have to 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.760 see it. And I go, well, if he's incredible, I'll 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:30.440 catch his next film. I really don't like buy bio 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:34.440 not biopsies. What are they call biopics? I'm not into them. 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:35.720 I don't really care. 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.560 Well, that's what my husband started watching Elvis, and he 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:42.360 said it just really had like the same formula of 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.640 every biopic, which is like, you know, young talent and 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.560 then the manager steals everything and then drugs. It's like 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.840 it's a lot. It's like the same fucking thing. So 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.160 he stopped watching it because he said. 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:55.840 It was boring. I'm trying to think of one that 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.080 I like, like if there's if I've even seen one, 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.640 like I really I like the movie, like anything about 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.280 Queen Elizabeth. I guess the first Oh, yeah, like Kate 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.560 Blanchette and Elizabeth I liked in the nineties. But I 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:09.200 don't know if that's a biopick. I don't know if 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:10.240 those are biopicks. 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.640 Yeah, I'm trying to think of a biopic that I like. 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.080 What's a good biopic? I don't know. 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.480 The last one I saw was probably the Freddie Mercury one, 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:22.920 the Bohemian rhaps City, But I can't think of another 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:24.640 one before that, and. 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.840 Then we have to get started. But also a big 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:31.120 drama after the Oscars though, was law Roach, celeb stylist, 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:35.720 image maker Judge on legendary but he him and Zendaya, 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.400 and I always forget if it's Zenda or Zendaya. It's 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.280 I think it's Zendeya. I think you had it right, Okay, 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.480 it's it's honestly like it's like I know it and 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:49.200 then I don't. It's like Kamala come outa It really 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.440 just puts me in a into a panic where even 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.320 if I know it, like I won't say it, like 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:58.600 it really stresses me out. But he's been working with 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.600 Zendeia forever, like he's you know, and she's one of 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:05.080 the best stressed people. Yes, and he was the one 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.280 that did the Seline Dion moment when she came back 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.400 into fashion and half the Way and everything. But he 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.800 made an announcement that he retired and he's over it 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.040 and he does not give a shit about Hall. He's 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.080 been disrespected one too many times and he's done. So 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.400 he posted a big thing on Instagram that said retired. 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.080 So I went on like not a deep dive, but 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.800 a little dive on videos and he just basically like, 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.800 I'm from the hood, Like I'm a hustler. I don't 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:29.680 need you guys, I don't care about Hollywood. I don't 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:33.200 fucking I'm not playing these games. I can make money 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.520 anywhere and I'm not doing this. And then it was 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.520 he had a falling out with Tiffany Hattish and I 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:39.920 bet this happens to him a lot, as like a 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:44.760 black professional where like he's too difficult or PR tells 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.480 their clients, No, he's too much, he's annoying, don't do that. 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.560 And like he was really hurt that she listened to 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:54.480 her team instead of like having his back. But he's 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:59.440 just like an incredibly talented visionary and I hope this 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:03.320 is just a moment in time and he continues to 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.640 work because he he did the Hunter Schaeffer, that white 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.520 little feather that covered her titties. Oh yeah, that was 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:15.680 his look. He dressed Megan the Sallient, Like he's incredible. 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.080 And what I learned about him in Zendeya is that 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.760 what he would do was he would dress her in 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.520 outfits that other celebrities already wore, so then she would 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.040 end up in who Wore It betters and then she 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:32.880 would always win. And so that's how she became kind 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:37.000 of this fashion icon because he was just like using 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.159 stuff that people used because he knew he could do 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:43.240 it better. And then, I mean, what he's done is incredible. 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.920 But even like the designers he wanted to use, it's 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:50.400 just always been a struggle for like, yeah, being black 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:55.560 in Hollywood is a struggle, yeah anywhere, And so he retired, 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:57.240 and I wonder if this is real or not. But 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.520 all the celebs in his comments like please know you know, 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.359 they're like sad. But then I watched this clip of 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.719 him being like, I'm done being disrespected. I don't care 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:06.040 about any of you. I don't need to be in 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.520 this business. Like I don't Oh, I don't have any favors. 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:11.800 I don't owe anyone anything. He's like, I don't care 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.040 if you do PR. I don't care who you, where 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.359 you work, what brand you work at. I don't care 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:17.479 about any of you. 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.120 But I wonder what he'll do going forward. I hope 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:21.199 he does something crazy. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.679 It is so what I heard, because you know, I've 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.840 been looking for stylists and stuff for some future shit. 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:32.040 He's ten thousand A look, Jesus, yeah, because I was 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.480 quoted by someone and it was thirty nine hundred. Usually 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.359 it's supposed to be I talked to a PR person 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.040 like thought. But that's another thing, like when you work 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.560 with a certain PR person, you give a lower rate 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:43.520 so then you can be on the carpet. And he 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.920 refuses to do that because he's good, and he goes, no, 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.320 I'm ten grand or bust. 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:50.119 Wow, Wow, wow. Wow. 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.480 Yeah. Are you looking at all his looks right now? Yeah? Yeah? 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.640 And how do you feel like he's good? No, he's great. 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.280 I mean Zendia always looks impeccable. I love that thing 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.919 Hunter Shaper was wearing, Like for sure, this is a 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:02.520 very talented person and legendary. 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.800 I mean, is legendary over I don't know, I have 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.600 I never want to keep judging. Well, I watched Tricksy 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:12.680 and Katya watch Pose, and it makes me really want 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.800 to watch Pose, which I saying to watch for a 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:16.399 long time. 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.160 I loved Pose. I thought it was great. I really 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:19.600 loved it. 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:24.040 Oh he did, ari Ariana Grande looks like you know, 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.640 he did something cool. So the Met Gala usually designers 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.760 like big fashion houses buy a table and then invite 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.879 celebrities to wear their dresses to the table. So what 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:39.520 he did He encouraged this f one driver, like this 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.239 race car driver who is his client, to buy a 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.639 table and have it be all different black designers and 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.040 young up and coming people and it's like no one's 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.119 ever done that before. And last year I guess he 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.480 had an unprecedented like nine looks at the Met Gala. 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.760 But the met galas coming up soon. But yeah, he's 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.440 he's retired. I don't know. Damn. 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:03.600 Oh, Casey's got a new flag. Casey's got a new 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.439 flag for when we go way way too long. I 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:08.360 just want to say one quick thing before we get 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.320 going with the episode, because we've got a banger of 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:10.800 an up. 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:11.240 For you guys. 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:15.199 But we are trying to get our date for Moontower. 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.119 We are going to be there between the nineteenth and 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.159 the twenty second in Austin at the Moontower Comedy Festival. 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:22.480 And as soon as we know our exact date, it 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:25.760 will be on our Instagram. That's messed up or messed 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:29.920 up pod? Is that our Instagram? Yeah, so don't worry, 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:31.120 we'll get it. We're trying to get it. 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:34.680 And then if you're listening today, I'm I'm in Philly 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:37.520 starting the thing. Yes, the thirtieth to the first. I'm 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.600 in Philly, So come on out. Not in April, fool's joke. 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.040 Go see Liza this that weekend. Her stand up is 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:53.320 so fucking funny. Okay, let's get going. Okay, We today 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:58.320 are doing the episode Manhattan Transfer, Season seventeen, Episode seventeen 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:02.200 from The You're Of twenty sixteen gosh, what a time, 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.760 right before we thought Donald Trump would never be president. 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.199 Manhattan Transfer is also like a jazz quartet that my 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:10.359 dad used to always make me listen to in the car, 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:11.840 Like they would sing songs like. 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:17.760 You know Downtown or like you must take the a Tree. 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:19.560 Like That's that's what I think of when I hear 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:24.240 Manhattan Transfer. Anyway, So Manhattan Transfer is part of two 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:28.840 episodes seasons seventeen, Episodes seventeen and eighteen. We're doing Manhattan 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.680 Transfer today. Next week will be on Holiest Alliance. So 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.800 you're getting you get in both parts of this major arc. 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:36.760 And this is a This is a I would say 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:38.320 this is a banger of a double ap. There's a 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:40.400 lot going on a lot. We open on a scene 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:42.480 we've seen so many times before and ask for you 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:46.160 a sex party. Lots of old men smoking cigars with hot, 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:49.160 barely legal looking babes and forever twenty one dresses sitting 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:53.320 on their laps like alcohols flowing. Everybody's you know, looks 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:54.919 like they're having a good time, except a lot of 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:58.840 the girls look bored and possibly upset. We see a 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:02.879 woman bartender who we recognize immediately as Abigail Savage from 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.800 Orange Is the New Black. She's like the who's her crew? 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:09.400 She's in Red's crew in Orange is the New Black? Right, Yeah, 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:11.160 she's part of the kitchen crew. She got the short 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:13.680 little pixie cut and she was Actually she's actually been 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:18.439 in two other episodes of SVU besides these two, and 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:21.800 she's the masturbai in the episode Sugar, the Eric McCormick 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:24.440 episode we did where she's like the online person named 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:27.200 the Masturbaiter and they go to her work and Stabler goes, 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:29.520 I need the masturbater to come to the front anyway. 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.840 That's her, and she's got a long wig on and 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.919 she's poorn drinks. And these old business dudes are like 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:39.200 sitting around talking about rents. Like one guy's like, yeah, 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:41.200 I wanted a two bedroom in Bushwick and I couldn't 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:43.440 find one for less than thirty five hundred dollars a month. 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:46.280 And it's like the other guy goes pathetic, which is 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:49.280 my mom's favorite adjective. By the way, she calls everything pathetic, 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:51.800 like everything is pathetic. She's like it's so pathetic, I 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:54.080 can't even get upstairs. Or she's like it's so pathetic, 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:57.040 what's happening in Syria. Like she just like pathetic is 0:22:57.040 --> 0:23:01.159 her catch all adjective. And it's just weird to me 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:02.800 that these men that I guess are supposed to be 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.720 able to like pay to get into these exclusive sex 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:08.600 parties are like bitching about a two bedroom in Bushwick 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:10.120 that's thirty five hundred dollars a month. 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.440 Doesn't that seem weird? It does, But maybe they're complaining 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:16.000 about how the prices have changed it like, yeah, I 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:18.600 get used to be cheaper or something. Who knows? And 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:20.280 who are they buying these apartments for? 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.040 Yeah, but they're talking about rent, so they're not even 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:24.640 buying them, they're renting them. 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:26.400 So it's like, are you rich or not? I don't 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:27.080 know what's going on. 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:31.760 So the young sexy girls look very bored by these conversations, 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:33.719 and we pan around and who is hanging out at 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:36.600 this party listening in on the convos? But our dear 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:42.040 dominic Sonny CARESI and we cut obviously, and he's wearing glasses. 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:44.360 He's wearing like you know, we know he doesn't usually 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:46.399 wear glasses, so it's weird he's wearing glasses. And we 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:48.840 cut to the van where Rollin's Benson and Baby Dods 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:52.239 are watching the whole scene through Carees's Google glasses. He 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:54.040 basically has like spyglasses on. 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:55.679 And remember what a flop. 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:59.240 Google Glass was just one of the biggest slops, one 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:01.399 of the biggest tech of all time. I remember I 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:05.200 went to a bar once that said like no vaping 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:06.400 and no Google. 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:08.920 Glass, and I was like, this is amazing. I love 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:11.800 this sign. Well yeah, but I feel like Quibi is 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:17.600 my favorite tech disaster. Quibi and Siso are such specific 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:22.320 close to us flops. You know, Siso at least like 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:25.880 had a couple months like Quibi, truly within a day 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:29.000 was like, this is a flop. We're calling it quits. Well, 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:31.720 and the cockiness. I don't think CISA was as cocky as. 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:36.159 Quibi, but SISA was stupid because they charged immediately like 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:37.920 Hulu didn't charge at the beginning. 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:39.240 These people need to give away. 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:42.119 The ship for free and then make it impossible to 0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:44.760 not pay because you want it so badly, you know 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:46.240 what I mean. You can't make people pay off the 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:49.280 bat anyway with content like that. But anyway, this is 0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:51.919 why I'm you know, a media analyst on the side. 0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:54.880 So Rollins is like God these guys are boring. 0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:57.399 Also, for those who want to know, Casey is wearing 0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:00.000 a jack O lantern sweatshirt and it is February. 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:03.880 Yeah, Casey, what brought you to that? I noticed that earlier. 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:06.920 I honor Halloween year round. I don't know what to say. 0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:09.879 Yeah, Rosie's been making me play Halloween music for her 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:11.360 in the car, so you two can have a little 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:12.520 tricker treat party together. 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:16.680 So Rollin's is like watching. 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:18.760 The footage, She's like, dude, these these dudes are boring 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:20.440 as fuck. Is this what guys talk about when their 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:22.919 wives are gone and lives like focus more on the 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:23.639 actual crime. 0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:25.400 She's like, these girls do not look eighteen. 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:29.080 Then they spot Judge Wheeler a judge, They spot a 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:33.199 Bronx eightya. They spot two assemblymen and a councilman. Like, 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:37.600 this party is supposedly I got all these higher up people, but. 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:38.760 I guess not higher up. 0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:41.720 Like maybe my comment before about the rent stuff was misplaced, 0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.080 because it's not like these are finance bros, like we've 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:47.840 seen those sex parties before. These are like public servant guys, 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:50.520 so they make money, but they're not like drowning in money. 0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.159 So I guess they got a tip about this party 0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:55.800 from a nurse who said that the girls were scared 0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:57.600 but wouldn't name any names. 0:25:57.880 --> 0:25:59.480 So Dods is like, let's get in there. 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:01.479 He's like it's to bust in and lives like we 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:03.760 need to wait for more illegal shit to happen. So far, 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:06.720 we're just seeing a lot of girls sitting on laps. Suddenly, 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:08.840 the girl that is sitting on the judge's lap starts 0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:10.840 like coughing, and she wants to go to the bathroom, 0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:13.399 but this creepy judge like won't let her go, and 0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.879 so Caresee jumps in and is like, git neied water, honey, 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:18.040 and then the creepy judge is like, you'll get your turn. 0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:19.840 Not great language. 0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:24.919 And then the masturbader woman interjects and she's trying to 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.240 like calm things down. And then another creepy guy gets 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:29.639 in Creasey's face and calls him Jersey. It's like he 0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:34.080 has a very clear, uh, New York accent. But then 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:37.480 he shoves Coresey. A fight ensues and a lot of 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.000 the guy guys like join in and it's all because 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.600 Cariese's offering a girl a glass of water just over 0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:43.160 the line. 0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:46.119 He should not have done that. So then one of 0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.919 the guys, how dare you? 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:52.360 I like it when they can barely produce saliva. So 0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:55.840 a guy that's there pulls a gun and then it's like, 0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:59.240 uh oh gun. The squad moves in. Everyone like live 0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:02.280 Rawin's Dodds are all in there. They're like, drop it. 0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:04.479 But there's two guys now with guns on them. It's 0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:06.520 a black guy and a guy with a mustache, and 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.200 they're they're like, we're on the job with vice. And 0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:12.000 they're like color of the day and they're like yellow, 0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:14.760 and like there's not that many colors. 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:16.080 Right, There's gotta be a better way to do this. 0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:18.000 I feel like you could possibly guess the color of 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:21.879 the day, right, Like there's not that many colors. I 0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.320 don't know unless they're like puce, Like are they doing 0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:28.520 random colors or is it usually just like red, green, blue, brown? 0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:32.680 Orange? Yeah, I remember there was certain comedy places that 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:36.600 would have different drink ticket colors every day. But I 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:40.320 knew an alcoholic comedian, great guy, great guy, great father, 0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:45.040 but he he would keep different color tickets in his 0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:46.280 backpack at all times. I know. 0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:48.320 Yeah, No, I don't know who you're talking about, but 0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.399 I know people that have done this. Yeah, like I 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:53.680 think I have today's color for drink tickets, yeah. 0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:56.120 And he just like always had tickets ready. I mean, 0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:58.560 I'm not gonna lie. I feel like they were such 0:27:58.640 --> 0:27:59.840 currency in New York. 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:01.760 During stand up that I was like, I think if 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:03.119 I had an extra one, I keep it in my 0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:04.399 wallet and be like, I don't know in case I 0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:05.640 end up back at that bar. 0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:09.879 So sad because I need a vodka soda so badly. 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:13.080 I had one of the worst fockasodas in my life yesterday. 0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.040 I was just like it was just disgusting. Maybe i've 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:19.680 it was probably well or something, but I was just like, 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:22.600 this tastes like college, and I don't why is this happening. Yeah, 0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:26.200 it's probably was bad vodka. Yeah, but it's like even 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:29.080 with like I I it was just so bad. 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:30.879 Remember when somebody asked you, what do you would you 0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:33.240 like grey Goose or smearing off? It's like, what is 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:36.880 that question? Nobody wants smearing off over Greg Goose. Okay, 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:39.080 so Color of the Day. That's my two cents on that. 0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:42.760 So everybody's got their guns on everybody and they're telling 0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:45.480 Benson like we're vice. You just blew a two year 0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:48.640 undercover investigation, and we get to Benson looking a little 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:52.480 bit panicked, and then it's the credits. So now Barbara 0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:55.080 shows up at the precinct and he goes, Lieutenant, what 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:56.200 fresh hell awaits? 0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:57.720 And it's like do you hate us? V? You? 0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:00.719 I just love that you want? He is so funny, Like, 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:03.640 you know, we did lose like when Munch left, we 0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:05.680 lost a lot of the humor. Barba had some of 0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:08.440 the humor. And then he's gone, too we need more. 0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:12.080 We need like a Ada. Coreese's too serious. We need 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:16.040 an Ada with a couple zingers like Barba. So anyway, 0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:18.320 Benson fills him in, shows them all the high up 0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:21.440 creeps that they busted. Barba's not surprised about Judge Wheeler 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:24.120 at all. Clearly there have been rumblings and the girls 0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:24.840 aren't talking. 0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:25.720 No one knows shit. 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:29.240 These two vice detectives are named Russo and Jefferson, and 0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:31.360 they say they were working their own case, but they're 0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:33.960 not telling anybody who through the party. The only person 0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:36.280 at this party who wasn't an underage sex worker or 0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:39.800 a public servant was Nina Kelly, a nun much like 0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:44.480 sister peg So. Now We're in interrogation with Nina Kelly 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:46.760 and she's got her wig off and she's talking to 0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:49.800 CARESI and Benson and they're like, so, why was a 0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:52.120 nun at a sex party? And she's like, I'd really 0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:54.960 prefer to talk to a woman. I'm not comfortable with him. 0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:57.760 And it's like, girl, same, like I would almost always 0:29:57.840 --> 0:29:59.960 rather talk to Benson than any man. 0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:01.920 So he leaves and she. 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:05.520 Goes, I'm not comfortable with mail cops and it's like again, diddo, 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:08.800 and Benson says, yeah, as a madam, I bet the 0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:11.040 cops really bum you out, and sister Nina is like, 0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.760 I'm not a madam. I've spent months trying to infiltrate 0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.320 the ring to save these girls. So this is a 0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:18.720 lot like the Lily Taylor character in the super Bowl 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.200 episode of Undercover Mother, where they do a big Super 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.400 Bowl they sting and they think she's a madam at first, 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.800 but she's really just been working this ring forever, trying 0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:26.200 to get in. 0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:27.920 Benson tries to get. 0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:29.880 Info from her, and she's like, I can't be found 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:31.600 to be cooperating or I won't be able to save 0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.520 any more girls. So now everyone's so tight lipped about 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:36.480 this party what's going on, And now Dodds is in 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:38.600 another room with these two guys from Vice and they're 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:41.440 keeping their lips zipped and this is above their pay grade. 0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:44.280 They said, their cover story in the operation is that 0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:46.400 they're dirty cops. That's why they were allowed to have 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.680 guns and badges like on them at the time. But 0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.160 there's no record of these guys being undercover, and their 0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:53.520 captain told them not to file anything because all these 0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:57.000 Johns are so high powered they'd have access to that information. 0:30:57.880 --> 0:30:59.600 So the captain. 0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:03.520 Finally shows up and he is actually in another episode. 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.560 He's in the episode Beef that we have not done 0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:08.120 on the podcast, but we do it on live shows. 0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:11.440 And he plays the guy who writes Expose as about 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.640 like dangerous toys and meats and and like he's like 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.200 tries to be a Michael Moore type of like expose guy, 0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:20.480 and in this episode he has like really bad, puffy, 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:22.000 long white sideburns. 0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.840 Well, my favorite part in Beef, you know, we've done 0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:27.720 that episode live a few times when I thought some 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:29.880 guy was a dean of a school and he didn't 0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:31.680 look like a dean, and you were like, his name 0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:32.360 is just Dean. 0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:41.440 I do love that so long white sidebirds man that 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.920 we know from Beef. He rolls in, he shades Baby 0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.720 Dodds with a quickness. He's like, I thought your dad 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.640 said you were moving up, like immediate shade to Dodds. 0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.080 And then he goes to chat with Benson and she's like, 0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:55.560 sorry for the confusion, but like, lot, why don't we 0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:57.440 work together on this? And he's like, ooh, wish I 0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:00.000 could help, but this is a long game for us. 0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:01.080 Guys are too high up. 0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:04.120 And then he reveals his true feelings that where SVU 0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:07.720 sees victims, they see horrors. Basically, he goes, these girls 0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:11.120 are not exactly Madonna's and it's just like, I remember. 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:14.560 What, why do you have to be a Madonna? Wow? Exactly. 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.520 I mean he thinks these are first of all, if 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.920 they're under eighteen, they're not able to consent really in 0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.920 sex work. So it just reminds me of what we 0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:25.720 talked to doctor heather Berg about, who is a woman 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:27.880 who writes about sex work and who we just found 0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:30.600 out as cousins with our producer Casey, but we talked 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:33.280 to her for the episode Counselor It's Chinatown just to 0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:36.400 get some perspective on the sex the life of sex workers, 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.680 and get some facts about sex trafficking. And what she 0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.640 told us was that the majority of girls that get 0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:45.320 funneled into sex work and sex trafficking are done so 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.880 by a member of their family or someone they know personally. 0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:51.880 So acting like these girls are just like these like 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.880 young teen horrors is like so wild and so like 0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:57.720 so thirty years ago. 0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:00.680 I don't know. This man has a very old old worldview. 0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:03.600 I also refuse to acknowledge that like teens are kids 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:06.640 or like that it's wrong because they want to fuck teens, 0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.720 So like whatever narrative they are going to have in 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.720 their head to like excuse it and not see themselves 0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:13.880 as the pedophiles they are. 0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:18.440 Yeah, well we see live obviously get a look of 0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:20.960 like ugh, like fuck you, because it's it's wild that 0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:23.120 this episode comes out in twenty sixteen, Like you would 0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:24.600 hear stuff like that all the time when we would 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:28.280 do older episodes, but like, oh, she's no virgin or 0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.640 she's no angel or whatever. But it's like you'd think 0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:34.880 people's like viewpoints change, but they don't, of course, and 0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:38.840 so yeah nobody does. But I mean, mind you I'm 0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:39.840 constantly evolving. 0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:45.280 I'm just thinking about the way we treat women that 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:47.920 come forward about stuff to this day. The Amber Herd 0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:51.680 trial was like a very oh telling way of how 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:52.440 we view women. 0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:56.520 Yeah, I don't want to hear another fucking message about 0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:58.520 amberhood her Do not send me one. 0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:02.080 So oh you see. 0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:06.440 Live, get me too, don't send me yeah to the 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:10.080 personals or the business. So you see Live get pissed 0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:13.200 and he's like, whatever, we're already inside you guys can't 0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:15.560 get involved or this whole operation will be blown. And 0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:17.480 he's like, bye, bye, I'm getting my guys and I'm 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:18.920 head and out. And she's like, well, why don't you 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:21.120 let me run it by Barbara? And he big times 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:22.719 her and he goes, oh, why don't you call the 0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:25.080 deputy inspector and see what he has to say. So 0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:28.080 she's like she basically is like, well, let me see 0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.040 what the ADA has to say. And he's like, I've 0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:32.239 actually got people way above the ADA, so fuck you. 0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:35.400 So SVU is getting fully shut out of this whole investigation. 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.120 So now the gangs all which got to them just 0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:40.000 makes them want to investigate more. 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:41.959 I know. It's like, don't you guys watch the show, 0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:44.440 don't you know what They're like that only is going 0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:47.120 to light a fire underneath them even harder. So the 0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.360 gang's all discussing how they're getting niced out, and of 0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:51.920 course Nepo baby Dods is like, want me to ask daddy, 0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:54.080 and this time Lives like, yeah, it's worth a try, 0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:57.520 any anything we can do, And Benson and Careesi are 0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:00.279 walking and talking about options, and Sister Nina is like, 0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:03.000 you're just gonna let those bastards walk. So because they 0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:05.799 have badges, they can assault sixteen year old girls. And 0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:09.319 she's talking about the vice undercover. She's not even talking 0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:11.719 about like Judge Wheeler and all these other guys. And 0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:14.800 she says they've assaulted tons of girls, tons of times. 0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.120 They're not cops, they're rapists. So done done, We got 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:19.440 to look into this further, right. 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:23.240 I love Sister Nina, Yeah, she's great Heart of Gold. 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:27.000 At Saint Bernardine's, which is a halfway house for women, 0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.480 another nun, an older nun there named Sister Ida, corroborates 0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:33.879 Sister Nina. She's like, Nina doesn't lie, she's legit. If 0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:36.279 she said it, it's true, And Benson asks them not 0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:39.239 about a girl named Kara Gatierrez, same name as Mine, 0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:42.680 Makara with a seat. She brought Kara to them six 0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:46.719 months ago. She was very traumatized but healing from you know, 0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:50.319 she extricated her from this ring and she's like, but 0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:52.799 she will not talk to anyone without Sister Nina. So 0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:57.279 Benson goes to probably get Sister Nina and she the 0:35:57.360 --> 0:35:59.680 nun really quickly goes, but good to see you again. 0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:02.799 How Noah, You're like, you adopted him, right, And so 0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:05.600 I guess this is a shelter that Ellie Porter used 0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:07.359 to be at. And the nun says, we still say 0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:11.600 the rosary for Ellie every year. So yeah, it's got 0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:13.759 a little you know, we constantly have to bring up 0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:18.719 Benson's tumultuous adoption at every corner in these seasons, so 0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:20.239 we brought Kara to them. 0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:23.600 It really is like these episodes are jam packed enough. 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:26.920 We don't need guys. There's so much going on. 0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.040 They're like sprinkling a little bit of Noah. Maybe Noah 0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:31.600 broke another finger, Let's go come on, Okay. So now 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:33.960 Rollins and Benson are back at the Halfway house with 0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:37.440 Sister Nina and they're talking to Kara, she's very scared, 0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:40.560 and she points out Russo out from the iPad and 0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:42.319 she's like, he's one of the cops who's at all 0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:44.160 the parties and one of the ones that made us 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:46.319 do stuff. And then she also I d's Jefferson. So 0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:48.920 now she's ideed both cops out of nowhere, out of 0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:51.719 a lineup. And Benson's like, I hate to do this, 0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:54.520 but I really need the details, and Kara's like, okay, well, 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.480 these guys forced us to go down on them. They 0:36:57.600 --> 0:36:59.600 we had to pretend we liked them. And then one 0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:01.440 time they super drunk and they brought me into a 0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:04.239 room and they took turns like assaulting me. So then 0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:06.319 eventually sister Nina earned her trust and got her out 0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.360 of that life. And they asked, well, who took you 0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:10.759 to the parties? And Nina's like, no way, she is 0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:14.480 not talking about that. It's too dangerous. Where is this going? 0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:16.759 So that's the act, that's the commercial break and the 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:18.880 end of act one, But like what's going on? Like 0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.680 who's so high up that we can't find out? You 0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:24.160 won't tell us, like who these people are? So now 0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:27.720 top of Act two, Benson brings this info to Tucker 0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:31.319 at IAB and baby Dodds doesn't think that these guys 0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:33.680 are even undercover. They think that they're just like using 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:35.880 the shield to be part of a sex ring. But 0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:38.800 Benson says, well, their captain confirmed the op and Dodds 0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:41.399 thinks he's in on it too, and Tucker's like, well, 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:43.359 this is going to be hard to prove. But I've 0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:46.480 also dealt with these two cops before Twist, he says, 0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:49.920 about a year ago, but nothing stuck because people accuse 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:52.440 vice cops of shit all the time, it seems, I guess. 0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:56.840 So if IAB questions them about a high level investigation, 0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:58.719 they're going to have to give up the information to 0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:01.560 save their shields. And then Benson and Tucker exchange what 0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:05.800 I would call a sexual look. And this is episode seventeen, 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.160 and we just got confirmation that these two are hooking 0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:12.000 up in episode fifteen Collateral Damages, where our buddy Hann 0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:16.440 Gabraham goes bye bye for child sex abuse images. So 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:20.440 they are together, but they're trying to keep it kosher 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.600 and business like in the squad, but you can tell 0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:24.600 there's something going on there. 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:26.319 So now in IAB. 0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:29.280 Interrogation, which looks by the way like the lovely conference 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:31.720 room of a modern hotel. Like it's like the lighting 0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:35.800 is beautiful. There's like gorgeous, like high gloss furniture. It's beautiful. 0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:40.040 They've got mustache man Russo and his lawyer. It's maybe 0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:42.640 his lawyer, maybe his iab rep are those are those 0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.560 lawyers or they iab reps just iab reps. That's a 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:48.000 great question. I don't know the answer to that. But 0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:50.600 he's got a woman there with him who's like defending him. 0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:54.160 And then it's Tucker and his partner, and so he's like, 0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:56.560 tell me where we want to hear your side. And 0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.560 he's like, well, whose allegations are these the allegations of hookers? 0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:02.520 And he's like try high school girls. And Russo says, well, 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:05.000 not only that, like how are you working at vice? 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:07.920 You're you're you're claiming you're there to help and be 0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:10.080 a cop, and yet you're calling them hookers and they're 0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:12.680 worthless and they're like don't matter and their opinions don't matter. 0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:15.279 Then why are you working to help? Like why are 0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:15.839 you there? Then? 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:20.600 I think they're there because of a higher level drug issue. 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:23.600 They don't really care about the trafficking that's not really 0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:27.520 why they're in there. They're in there for like drugs 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:29.560 and like, uh, extortion. 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:30.000 I don't know. 0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.920 I think vice is mostly concentrated on on drug stuff, right, No. 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:37.040 Vice is all vices. It's like, oh, yeah, so it's 0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:40.600 it's sex crime, it's prostitution. Yes, so you're right. So 0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:44.200 they see them as criminals because they meet them as prostitutes. Yes, yeah. 0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:46.319 Because to me, I'm like, if you're claiming that you're 0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:48.120 there to help and you're a good cop, why are 0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:51.719 you like dismissing these women and victims, you know, yeah. 0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:55.920 Because that's that's a full worldview difference. They don't see 0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:58.439 them as victims even though they're underage, because they see 0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:00.880 them dressed up hooking up with guys for money, and 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.080 they think that's like a choice and something that they're 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:05.040 consenting to it that they have the ability to consent 0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:08.840 to the guy. Russo says these girls are low hanging fruit. 0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:11.279 The roots of the tree can't be discussed, and he 0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:14.960 admits that he's like, let these girls get trafficked, and 0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:15.319 he's like. 0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:16.200 It's part of the job. 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:19.239 And Tucker's like, I disagree, and they're like, how about 0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:21.480 the rapes? Of sixteen year old girls, and then we 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:24.240 switched to the interview. It's like all the same people, 0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:27.479 including the IAB rep, but it's Jefferson. It's the same room, 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.239 just different cop in the chair. And he's like, I 0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:33.200 do not understand this, Lisa. I watched it six times 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:34.759 and I can't understand what he says. So tell me 0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:36.480 if you can help me figure this out. He goes, 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:39.799 we're cops. We don't engage in the sexual activity, so 0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:42.480 they make us as cops. That's why they're coming after us. 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.440 Say it again, we're cops. We don't engage in the 0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:49.080 sexual activity, so they make us as cops. That's why 0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:52.680 they're coming after us. What are you talking about? Like, 0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:54.680 your whole thing is that you're a dirty cop. Everyone 0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:57.400 knows your cops, so you would be expected to engage 0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:00.279 in the sexual activities, so nobody had to make as 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:02.320 a cop because that's your job, that's your cover, that 0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:04.760 you're a cop. I don't really get it. If anyone 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:06.960 can help me clarify. I watched it six times and 0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:10.080 I did not understand the fucking what the guy was saying. 0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:12.719 And he's like, it's they're pimps, putting them up to it, 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:15.719 and they're trying to create reasonable doubts since SPU busted them, 0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:20.120 and he won't name any names, and he says, if 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:21.200 one pp won't give. 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.120 Up the target, maybe that should tell you something. 0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:25.200 And I think that kind of gets to Tucker because 0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:27.400 he's like, yeah, that's true, Like if this is that 0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:30.520 high up, like what's going on? So back at the precinct, 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:33.640 they're playing whiteboard, you know, their little whiteboard Tetris game 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:35.120 that they like to play with the whole gang. And 0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:38.720 Tucker's there and he's like, Tucker's like, they called my bluff. 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:41.960 They'd rather risk a morals charge than name names. And 0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:44.400 none of these girls are cooperating either. Two of them, 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:48.040 Natalia and Margaret went to Saint Fabiola's and so did Karagodierras. 0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:50.719 And this perks up Tucker's little ears because he's like, 0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:53.640 I might know someone who works there. His cousin, Eugene 0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:56.680 is a psychologist and a priest, and the last he 0:41:56.680 --> 0:42:00.840 heard he worked at the school CARESI is founded that 0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:03.719 Tucker doesn't know every detail of his cousin's employment history. 0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:05.600 He's like, he's a cousin, you don't even know if 0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:07.520 he works at the school. It's like, I have cousins. 0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:09.279 I don't even know what state they live in, Like 0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:10.560 you know what I mean, Like. 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:12.400 The Italians are all about family. 0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:15.160 The Italians, I mean, they're family. We just have a 0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:17.600 huge family. I have dozens of cousins, Like I just 0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:19.680 can't remember, Tucker. 0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:22.600 If they're Irish Catholics, then yeah, the cousins. Yeah. 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:24.439 So it's just weird to be like, oh, you didn't 0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:26.960 get like he didn't post it in the family Facebook 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.120 chat or whatever that he was moving to another school. 0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:31.840 It's just so funny Kreese, He's like, he's your cousin. 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:35.200 You don't even know. I forgot what comic did this joke. 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:37.560 But I just as someone be like, do white people 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:39.800 have cousins? I feel like white people don't have cousins. 0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:44.319 Well, it is funny to me when some people their 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:46.560 cousins are like their siblings. You know, people are just 0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:48.560 so close to their cousins and other people just aren't. 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:53.000 I think it's like totally different family dynamics. But I'm 0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:55.720 trying to think I have my cousins in New York City. 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:57.560 Are the cousins that I'm the closest to, Like you 0:42:57.680 --> 0:42:59.760 met my cousins about you've met my cousin Sabastian. 0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:01.960 A bunch like those are my cousins. I'm the closest too, 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:03.040 and then the. 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.040 Rest of them just live far away or when I 0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:06.200 used to be close to when I was a kid, 0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:07.840 but now she's a full trumper and she blocked me 0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:12.080 on Facebook. So there's that, So that there's that careesy. 0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:15.040 That's sometimes why people don't know when their cousins change schools. 0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:19.120 So so then baby Dodds goes as strange Irish relatives, 0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:23.640 how rare because Tucker talks about how, like him becoming 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:27.120 a priest, they kind of lost things they had in common, 0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:29.640 like that they sort of separated over that, and so 0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:33.960 Tucker fucking yeah, well no, I think like I think 0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:36.320 maybe you know, later is sort of accused that Tucker 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:38.880 like lost the Lord or you know, he doesn't have 0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:42.480 like the same religious fervor that maybe his family does. 0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:45.759 So Tucker's like, I'm gonna go check with him, and 0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:48.799 him and Benson have another little flirty moment, so they're 0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:52.480 laying it on. So now at Saint Fabiola's we see 0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:55.840 Tucker's cousin Eugene is our old buddy, one of the 0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:58.560 original friends of the Pod, Michael O'Keefe. 0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:02.120 Yeah, that's wild. He was one of our like first guests. 0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:05.440 Yeah, like full pandemic. You were in an airbnb when 0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:07.279 we talked to him. We were sitting next to each 0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:09.960 other with like the Splitter. It was so different. If 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:12.680 you remember one of our first episode's Counterfeit, he played 0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:14.400 like a bad cop who was kind of like a 0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:16.480 Red Herring bad cop. He'd end up being like the 0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:19.879 bad cop, but then crime was a bad cop, right, 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:24.360 And he was Amanda Seifried's dad in the episode Outcry 0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:27.160 as well. So he's been He's also been in a ton. 0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:28.040 Of regular law and order. 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:29.600 I think I don't know about criminal intent, but he's 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:31.759 been in the mother Ship a lot. So he was 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:33.680 the one that told us that they established something called 0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:36.160 the O'Keefe rule where people had to wait like six 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:38.120 months to a year or something before coming back on 0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:39.759 the show because he was coming back so often at 0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:43.799 the beginning. So you cousin Eugene immediately makes a joke 0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:45.080 about Tucker being in a church. 0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:46.760 He's like, am I gonna get struck by lightning? 0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:48.959 Like he's making all these gags about you know, because 0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:52.480 I guess Tucker has, like I said, left the lord behind. 0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:55.800 And he's like, what happened? Is some everybody okay? 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:58.320 And Tucker's like, Aunt Caroline's fine, even though she smokes 0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:00.239 three packs a day, and then they shake hand like 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:00.880 they don't hug. 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:03.480 This is police business. He's like, do you know why 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:04.080 I'm here? 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:06.800 And Eugene is like, of course, I see in Italia 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:08.520 and Margaret. I check in with them every day. I 0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:12.200 even took one of their confessions. And Tucker's like, well, 0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:13.960 can you give me any info that they told you? 0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:15.960 And he's like, between the seal of the confessional and 0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:18.719 the hippolaws, my lips are sealed, like I can't talk. 0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:21.000 He's like, well, what about any other troubled girls? Have 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:23.640 you heard about Kara Goodieraz And he's like, oh, yeah, 0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:26.319 she dropped out six months ago drugs. You know, she's 0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:28.759 an addict living in foster care. These gangs know who 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:32.080 to prey on, so they're really trying to like push 0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:35.320 the conversation towards gangs a lot. So Tucker's like, which gangs? 0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:37.680 And the cop the dirty cops have been trying to 0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:40.160 push everything on BX nine and everyone's like, this seems 0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:42.560 a little high up for a street gang. Like BX 0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:45.560 nine's not having parties where judges are invited. 0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:46.600 Do you know what I mean? Like, that's not really 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:47.040 the vibe. 0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:49.480 B X nine is like killing someone and like leaving 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:51.879 their body in a tree. So before he can even 0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:55.040 answer about which gangs, the monsignor shows up. This guy's 0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:56.680 name is Moni Monsignor. 0:45:57.360 --> 0:45:58.839 I don't know. I keep from the thing with all 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:02.160 these Catholics, they're more drag than drag, you know what 0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:05.200 I mean, with other little funny names and hats. It's 0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:07.040 just like it's so wild to. 0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:10.960 Me that, yeah, well the hierarchy of it too, I mean, 0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:13.920 it's like monarchy and like figuring out who's higher than who, 0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:16.160 but the but cops are like that, who's higher than 0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:18.600 a lieutenant or a captain or a like you know 0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:21.359 this and that, like these hierarchies that exist in these 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:23.680 institutions where you can't Did you. 0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:28.799 See Spicy Meatball's latest drag number that has catapulted her 0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:33.720 to I think big fame. She went, who's that little twerp? 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.400 And it keeps lying about stuff in the government? Who 0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:41.400 was George Santos George Santos. She went up as the 0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:47.440 guy what's his name again, George Santos. Yes, so she 0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:50.520 came out as George Santos and then threw out the number, 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.719 turned into the drag queen version of him and had like, 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:57.200 you know, a wig waiting and the reveals are a 0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:01.720 red glitter dress. But it's just like, drag is such 0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:05.879 art and so cool, and fuck Tennessee and fuck Instagram 0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:09.160 for shadow banning her, and it was just such a 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:09.840 cool number. 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:13.239 That is, no Meatballs so good. I just finally got 0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:15.640 to meet my Meatball last summer and Nicole's house and 0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:18.840 was like, I know Meatball's prom date. I'm friends with 0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:20.319 Meatball's prom date. So I was like, I know the 0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:21.879 girl you went to prom with and he's like, oh, 0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:22.720 I got no where. 0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:26.880 So and so before you know, she comes out in 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:30.600 George Santos drag like news things are on a big screen. 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:34.239 Whatever she is shadow band, but if you can find her, 0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:35.680 well we'll share this me. 0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:37.759 Share it and we'll share it when this when this 0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:41.439 episode comes out, Kasey, can you send me a note? So, yes, 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:43.840 this mon signor shows up in his Hi mon signor 0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:46.920 drag and he's like he's like, I'm sorry, like we 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:49.120 really just can't talk about the students. And they're like, okay, 0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:52.120 well what about Sister Nina, And mont Signior says, well, 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:55.839 I only know one sister Nina, and it's like there's 0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:57.640 only one Sister Nina in all of New York City. 0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:00.560 And they're like, and she's on medical ly for psychiat reasons. 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:02.319 And I'm upset to hear that she's been dealing with 0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:04.960 children because they can't sanction her being around kids. So 0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:06.560 what's going on there? 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:07.920 So now we're back in. 0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:10.200 Barbara's office and Barbara's like, so you've got these dirty 0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:12.520 cops and the key witness is a nun with mental 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:14.920 health issues and Benson's like, yeah, but that could just 0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:17.239 be like a case they pinned on her to discredit her. 0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:19.640 And so the cop. Barbara's like, all right, the cops 0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:22.120 are out, the John's are out, all of the girls 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:25.200 are out except Kara, but she's too scared to testify. 0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:27.400 Would she maybe come and talk to Barbara? 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:30.160 So now we're at the halfway house where they saw 0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:33.120 Kara originally, and Sister Ida's like, she's been in her 0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:33.680 room all day. 0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:34.920 She didn't even come out for dinner. 0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:37.600 They go to her room and they find Kara lying 0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:39.759 in bed, oh deed, with a needle in her arm, 0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:43.239 and Rollin's actually says, no need to call of us. 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:46.919 She's gone so very sad. And that is the end. 0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:47.319 Of AC two. 0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:49.920 Top of AAC three lives, like, where did she get 0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:52.800 the heroin? We've got our friend of the pod Karen 0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:55.960 sen Lee playing the Emmy Susan Chung, and she goes 0:48:56.239 --> 0:48:59.600 the mechanism of death is respiratory arrest due to pulmonary 0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:04.000 demon caused by acute drug intoxication, and they tell her 0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:06.440 care has been cleaned for six months, and Emmy goes well, 0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:09.840 sometimes addicts go back to their old dosage, and Rollins 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:11.520 is like, but is it possible someone gave her a 0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:13.600 hot shot? And we have heard about hot shots a 0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:15.080 lot in the show, but I decided to look up 0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:17.920 the definition and it is a dose of heroin or 0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:21.200 a similar drug contaminated with a toxix substance that is 0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:22.560 intended to kill the user. 0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:24.160 So the doc. 0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:27.680 Says, well, I can't prove it, but if this concentration 0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:30.560 we're going around, I'd be seeing a lot more id ods. 0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:32.719 It's kind of like the way that ventanyl is huge 0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:34.919 right now, Like you know there's ventanyl and all kinds 0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:37.440 of cocaine and molly and stuff like that, and doctors 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.279 at emergency rooms kind of see what the trends are. 0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:44.600 So she's ruling it undetermined, pending the SVU in investigation, 0:49:45.080 --> 0:49:46.799 but she said, if it makes any difference, it was 0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:49.120 a very humane death. She would have been fast asleep 0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:51.680 by the time her lungs filled with water. Where does 0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:54.879 the water come from? I don't know, just like water 0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:55.520 in your body. 0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:55.840 I don't know. 0:49:55.960 --> 0:49:58.759 I was confusing to me, but I'm sure someone will 0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:00.320 send me a graphic to description. 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:02.040 So they tell. 0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:06.200 Sister Nina what happened, and she's obviously devastated. She knows 0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:08.840 Kara was killed and she never should have brought her 0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:10.920 to the s FU detectives and Benson is like, tell 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:13.360 us who did this? And Nina's like, wait a second, 0:50:13.880 --> 0:50:16.200 who even knew Kara was at the shelter. It had 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:18.239 to be someone in your squad, like I only brought 0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:21.000 you guys here, and She's like I'm going to be next, 0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:22.960 and Benson's like, we got to get you out of here. 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:25.960 I know a place where you can go now we're 0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:28.839 talking to Sister Ida, the nun at the halfway house, 0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:31.960 and she's like, Kara was super upset. A priest went 0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:34.960 to her room to receive her confession. It was Father Akinola. 0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:38.240 He's a lovely man from West Africa who fills in sometimes. 0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:41.160 He's not the regular priest. So now we're at Saint 0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:44.799 Horatio's talking to Father Akinola. He's so sad and he's 0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:47.200 heartbroken about Kara Kara, and. 0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:48.799 He why did I mispronounce my own name? 0:50:49.120 --> 0:50:51.400 And she says Kara was struggling with the arrest of 0:50:51.440 --> 0:50:54.200 her former classmates. He says he didn't see anything. You 0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:56.160 didn't see anybody go into her room, and that Kara 0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:57.960 was an addict and they always find a way to 0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:00.400 get drugs. And then writers they're leaving and he's like, 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:02.279 I could talk to the other girls and see what 0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:04.879 they know, Like he's trying to be helpful. So back 0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:07.560 to the whiteboard with the gang. Who else knew we 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:09.680 were talking to Kara? Besides us? The only people that 0:51:09.760 --> 0:51:13.120 knew we were talking to Kara were Sister Nina, Sister Ida, Barba, 0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:16.680 and Iab and maybe the vice cops Russo and Jefferson 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:19.320 and He's like, I never put Kara's name in the system, 0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:21.000 and I didn't even tell my partner about this. And 0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:24.000 then Benson realizes, but you did check with your cousin 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:24.960 Eugene about her. 0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:27.640 Done done, if I do say so myself. 0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:30.160 So Tucker rushes to the church with Benson to confront 0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:32.440 his cousin Eugene, who's like chatting with a bunch of 0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:34.640 young Catholic schoolgirls, which I do think is like the 0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:38.359 show being like something's up, and he's immediately accusing him, 0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:41.120 and Eugene's playing dumb and he's like, she died because 0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:43.759 of the drugs, and Tucker is laying it on him 0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:46.360 and he's like, this is you you got her killed? 0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:49.719 And Eugene's like, I'm denying part of being anything. They 0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:50.880 were like, so are. 0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:51.920 You part of the ring? Or do they put you 0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:53.240 up to it? And he goes neither. 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:57.280 I was Kara's guidance counsel. The accent O'Keefe is doing 0:51:57.440 --> 0:51:57.879 is a lot. 0:51:57.960 --> 0:51:59.880 It's a lot. I was just about to say, like, 0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:02.480 is it really good or is this terrible? 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:05.120 I can't tell because at times I think it sounds Boston, 0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:07.120 but maybe he moved from Boston. 0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:07.680 Who knows. 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:11.279 I meant the feeling Tucker's family is from New York. 0:52:11.320 --> 0:52:14.160 I feel like you feel like they're Queen's Irish or something. 0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:16.920 You know, Yeah, but the cousins could be everywhere. But 0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:19.920 like it was just it was just so much. But 0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:22.920 I'm wondering what the director or the other actors are 0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:25.440 they like, you're killing it, O'Keefe, Yeah, what you're doing? 0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:28.160 Or was everyone talking about him behind his back, being like, 0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:30.920 what's what this accent? I don't know. 0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:33.719 It seemed really heavy and at times I thought, is 0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:36.880 this Boston? Like I couldn't so the accent work is 0:52:37.040 --> 0:52:39.040 truly wild, and Benson has to calm both of the 0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:39.440 men down. 0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:40.560 She's like getting in between them. 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:43.360 She's pulling Tucker off of his cousin, and Eugene says 0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:45.200 he never let anything slip about Kara. 0:52:45.360 --> 0:52:47.560 She was in with the gangs. There's no conspiracy. 0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:49.840 He thinks Tucker's been in IAB too long because he 0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:53.759 thinks everyone's corrupt. And Eugene accuses Tucker of turning his 0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:57.080 back on God, and Tucker goes, they've got something on you, 0:52:57.440 --> 0:53:01.120 and then Live pulls Tucker away and he runs out 0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:03.680 of her Clutches goes back and grabs Eugene and goes, 0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:06.160 I know it was you, and it's very Godfather like 0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:07.799 that's a classic god Yeah. 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:11.239 But I'm with Tucker. It's like the cousin is using 0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:14.600 it against him. But no, this is Tucker's job. Yeah, 0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:20.440 he is iab because he is good at Yeah, and 0:53:20.560 --> 0:53:25.040 also to be like, it's the gangs, it's the gangs. 0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:26.719 I know it's the gang. How how do you know 0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:28.320 it's the gangs? Yeah, give us the proof. 0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:30.160 Tell us the names of the people, like who whatever 0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:31.560 the girls told you about the gangs? 0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:37.160 Like what? And you have a fake accent, so you're shady. Yeah. 0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:40.080 So finally Lives screams enough and breaks them up, and 0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:42.239 Tucker goes, I'm coming for you, and God's not gonna 0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:43.040 help your ass. 0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:45.279 So now we're outside the church. 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:49.200 Tucker is still fuming and says Eugene is a politician. 0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:51.520 He calculates every word he says, but lives like, but 0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:53.959 you think he's running a sex trafficking ring. He goes, 0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:56.399 maybe or he's protecting it, and he's like, I want 0:53:56.440 --> 0:54:00.680 warrants to dig into his financials, everything, computers, texts, like whatever. 0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:03.560 Lives like you got to chill and let svus like 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:05.680 pursue this. This is not your case, and he's like, 0:54:06.040 --> 0:54:07.799 we got to get Nina to a safe place and 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:10.160 lives like she already is. So now we're back at 0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:13.239 Benson's place and she's obviously given Lucy the afternoon off 0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:16.360 and let sister Nina be her nanny because Sister Nina's 0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:18.919 in the apartment with Noah when Live and Tucker arrive 0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:21.680 and Nina immediately looks sketched out by Tucker and I 0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:25.080 do appreciate how she is fully paranoid about every man 0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:28.839 that walks on into her life with reason, and they 0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:32.080 ask her, is there someone at Saint Fabiola's we should 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.879 be looking at? And Live begs her, like, please tell us, 0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:38.319 and she goes, well, you know a lot of times 0:54:38.320 --> 0:54:40.920 at that place, the guidance counselors know what's going on, 0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:45.080 and Tucker goes, so we should look at Father Eugene, 0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:47.880 and Nina's like, how do you know about Father Eugene? 0:54:48.200 --> 0:54:50.680 And uh oh. She finds out that Tucker's cousin is 0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:53.920 Father Eugene, and she is not happy. She slowly starts 0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:58.560 moving towards Noah. She picks him up and she goes, Noah, 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:02.480 let's say bye to mister Tucker. He's gotta go right now, 0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:07.120 Bye bye. And it's like she's just lightly holding Noah hostage, 0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:09.799 like it's really kind of freaky, but you don't think 0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:15.160 she's gonna was cute? Yeah, And he's like, yeah, that 0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:18.080 no was really cute. And it's like, I don't want 0:55:18.120 --> 0:55:20.719 to put any blame on Olivia, but maybe bringing a 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.319 nun with possible mental health issues to watch your child 0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:27.360 alone wasn't the move, Like maybe maybe have a tandem 0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:29.920 thing where Lucy's there at the same time, especially after 0:55:29.960 --> 0:55:32.279 the Calvin of it all, Like you've already gone through 0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:34.360 this nonsense, like you need boundaries. 0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:37.680 But like, yes, I don't know. She she's about the 0:55:37.760 --> 0:55:40.759 victims in protection. Yeah, and didn't she hear that about 0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:43.960 Danny Beck and the fire with elt Fanning. Yeah, Oh 0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:46.600 my god, that's so true. I'm sure. I'm sure Maloney 0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:48.359 filled her in when she came back and was like, 0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:50.840 you won't believe what this dumb bitchy. 0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:56.839 Okay, So Tucker goes, Nope, you're right, I'm gonna go. 0:55:57.040 --> 0:55:59.759 He backs out, He leaves, Live is breathing heavily and 0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:02.799 She's like, put Noah down. Tucker's gone, this isn't what 0:56:02.840 --> 0:56:04.839 you think. And then she puts Noah down and Live 0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:07.520 takes him into another room to go play with an iPad. 0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:10.399 When she comes back, Nina is freaking out, like trying 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:12.040 to grab all of her shit. She's like, I don't 0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:15.239 she doesn't trust Live father Eugene's cousin is in charge 0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:17.560 of the investigation, Like, are you fucking kidding me? And 0:56:17.880 --> 0:56:20.080 I could see with everything she's seen, with all these 0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:23.280 higher up people being involved, that would absolutely like spook 0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:26.040 the shit out of her. And she explains like no, 0:56:26.120 --> 0:56:27.640 Tucker and his cousin hate each other, it's not a 0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:29.520 big deal. But Nina's like not hearing any of it. 0:56:29.880 --> 0:56:31.479 She's like, what are you gonna have me committed again? 0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:34.520 More shock treatments? I am not crazy. So now we're 0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:36.560 getting a whole nother level of the trauma that sister 0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:38.360 Nina's been through too, that the church seems to have 0:56:38.400 --> 0:56:42.200 committed her and put her through like involuntary psychiatric treatments 0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:45.080 that she didn't need. And she thinks Live is either 0:56:45.160 --> 0:56:47.279 in on this whole thing or she's an idiot and 0:56:47.320 --> 0:56:49.799 Lives like please don't leave, Please don't go. 0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:52.040 And then she's like, you brought me here to kill me. 0:56:52.120 --> 0:56:54.000 And then she's like, look, just tell them my promise 0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:56.160 never to talk about the trafficking ring again and runs out. 0:56:56.239 --> 0:56:58.600 It's like, if live brought you there to kill you, 0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:00.399 you'd be dead. She wouldn't be letting you run out 0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:00.880 of the building. 0:57:00.880 --> 0:57:01.319 You know what I mean. 0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:02.799 It's when we're letting you walk out of the room, 0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:07.319 but says something. This episode weirdly has a fifth act. 0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:11.600 In Barba's office. The mon signor is in there and 0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:13.720 he's talking to Barbara and they're wrapping up a conbo 0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:16.080 and then as they're leaving, he goes, I have faith 0:57:16.120 --> 0:57:18.400 the DA's office will do the right thing. I want 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:21.600 to spare these girls any more exploitation. So then Dods 0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:24.920 and Benson are waiting to get into the office. 0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:26.120 They are there to chat with. 0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:30.440 Barba, and the mon Signior thanks them for saving the 0:57:30.480 --> 0:57:33.360 girls and comments how Kara was such a pretty young girl, 0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:35.280 and it's like, that's not the vibe at s for you, 0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:37.520 sor like you could talk about how she was a 0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:41.160 promising student and a wonderful person, but we don't need 0:57:41.200 --> 0:57:44.640 to talk about how hot she was. When he leaves, 0:57:45.560 --> 0:57:47.560 Benson is like, what the fuck was he doing here? 0:57:47.600 --> 0:57:49.440 And Barba's like, still trying to figure that out, but 0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:52.600 he's not really offering anything. Now, where are the arrest 0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:57.920 warrants for Father Eugene and Father Akinola. Barbara's like, listen, babies, 0:57:57.960 --> 0:57:59.800 A lot of judges don't want to touch this, and 0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:02.560 and I'm wondering myself if we're making the right moves here. 0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:06.720 And then Benson tells Barba about our sweet Yeah. If 0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:09.520 it's this like high up and it's all this stuff, 0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:14.320 that's the reason to dig not escape. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:17.160 And it's also like it's twenty sixteen when this episode 0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:19.640 comes out, like it's not weird to dig into the 0:58:19.680 --> 0:58:23.760 Catholic church, Like it's not weird at all. So Benson 0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:27.360 tells Barba about Sister Nina's paranoid freak out and he's like, 0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:30.880 can you blame her vice? And possibly priests are trafficking girls. 0:58:30.920 --> 0:58:34.000 Then there's the care a leak and Barbara asks Baby Dodds, 0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:35.640 why don't you step out of the room for a second, 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:38.760 and he asks live, what do you know about Tucker? 0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:42.280 And she goes we go way back he's intense, he's 0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:44.720 no nonsense, good at his job. And Barba's like, but 0:58:44.760 --> 0:58:47.680 he did try to ruin both of your partner's lives, right. 0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:51.720 She's like, She's like, ah, we're past that. It's pretty funny. 0:58:52.000 --> 0:58:54.840 And then Barba says, well, the mon signor made some 0:58:54.880 --> 0:58:58.240 serious allegations and she's like, oh, against father Eugene. And 0:58:58.320 --> 0:59:01.600 he goes no against Tucker and Lives like, what now 0:59:01.920 --> 0:59:06.120 and he said, Monseignor mel Reagan and Eugene went to 0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:09.040 Tucker a year ago with info that Vice was running 0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:12.320 girls from their school. They named Russo and Jefferson, and 0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:15.880 they said Tucker buried it. And Live is like, there's 0:59:15.920 --> 0:59:18.600 no way. He wanted to kill Eugene the other day. 0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:20.960 And he's like, maybe he just wanted you to think that, 0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:23.600 and it's like, I don't think Tucker went to drama school. 0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:26.080 And Live is like there's no way, and Barba's like, 0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:28.840 I thought you guys all hated this guy. I'm so confused, 0:59:29.240 --> 0:59:31.959 and Live is defending him and she's like, his job 0:59:32.040 --> 0:59:34.880 is to be relentless. And then Barbara, basically a detective 0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:37.080 as well as a lawyer, sniffs it out and goes 0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:40.520 are you involved with him, and Live goes the lot 0:59:40.560 --> 0:59:43.440 the violins swell and Live goes, don't ask me that. 0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:46.840 And there's not that many questions that Live darts and 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:49.960 dodges in this series, and this is one where she's like, 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:53.280 don't don't even get into that with me. She's always 0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:56.640 in secret relationships though, like right, because she didn't tell 0:59:56.640 --> 0:59:59.240 people about Cassidy. Really, she didn't tell people about Tucker. 0:59:59.240 --> 1:00:02.160 She didn't tell people Abo, Oh, Harry Connick Junior, there's a. 1:00:02.320 --> 1:00:04.320 Guy fucking outside of the office. 1:00:04.480 --> 1:00:08.040 Yeah, well, she's busy where she gonna meet people. She 1:00:08.080 --> 1:00:10.040 had a trainer that one time. I was hopeful, but 1:00:10.600 --> 1:00:11.800 oh they weren't fucking. 1:00:11.880 --> 1:00:12.840 They were just worthing I know. 1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:14.360 But wouldn't it be fun just for Live to get 1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:16.360 fucked by a guy with a great body and like, yeah, 1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:19.400 there's no combo. They just like watch fucking reality TV 1:00:19.480 --> 1:00:24.320 and bang. So then Barba's like, I just confided in 1:00:24.360 --> 1:00:26.760 you that an IAB captain might be involved in a 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:29.080 sex trafficking ring and you don't mention that you two 1:00:29.160 --> 1:00:32.520 are fucking, and she goes, you're wrong about him. Bring 1:00:32.600 --> 1:00:34.920 him in ask him yourself, and Barba says, you and 1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:37.200 I are done talking and Live looks busted, which is 1:00:37.200 --> 1:00:39.760 a rare look. You just never see her looking like, fuck, 1:00:39.800 --> 1:00:41.520 I fucked up in this way. 1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:43.120 And she walks out. 1:00:43.480 --> 1:00:45.520 She meets Tucker at a dive bar and it looks 1:00:45.680 --> 1:00:48.040 very cozy to me, and he goes nobody saw you. 1:00:48.080 --> 1:00:50.400 And she goes here like it's the worst bar in 1:00:50.440 --> 1:00:52.520 the world, and I'm like, I drink there. It looks 1:00:52.560 --> 1:00:56.520 fun and like in Sex in the City when Carrie 1:00:56.840 --> 1:00:59.400 and Bigger having the affair and she's like, well, no 1:00:59.440 --> 1:01:01.400 one knows that set fifty seventh and said, well they 1:01:01.440 --> 1:01:04.040 only know us here, and it's like there, it just 1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:07.080 blocks away like some you could have run doctor appointment, 1:01:07.800 --> 1:01:11.880 a meeting, a cousin's in Like it was so funny 1:01:11.920 --> 1:01:14.200 the way. But I wasn't living in New York at 1:01:14.200 --> 1:01:15.680 the time, but it is so funny how it was, 1:01:15.720 --> 1:01:19.200 like Brooklyn, I'd rather die uptown, no thanks. Even the 1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:21.480 house sides are like, I don't go below fourteenth And 1:01:21.560 --> 1:01:24.440 it's like it is just such a tiny city that 1:01:24.840 --> 1:01:25.240 it is. 1:01:25.160 --> 1:01:28.320 You run in all the time. Yes, you need to 1:01:28.400 --> 1:01:30.080 leave the Burroughs. I think if you want to have 1:01:30.120 --> 1:01:31.680 a true affair, you need to be. That's why they 1:01:31.720 --> 1:01:34.120 bust people in Jersey fucking and sometimes in the show. 1:01:34.920 --> 1:01:37.680 So anyway, lives like, I'm a lieutenant. I'd drink Scotch 1:01:37.680 --> 1:01:39.760 out of a crystal highball, bitch, I shouldn't be in 1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:42.880 a place like this, and she goes, so group one 1:01:42.960 --> 1:01:46.680 is investigating you for sex trafficking, corruption and murder and 1:01:47.160 --> 1:01:49.920 he goes, yep, Cousin Eugene set me up good, and 1:01:49.960 --> 1:01:52.920 he says, you know how this goes. Don't stick your 1:01:52.920 --> 1:01:54.680 neck out for me, or it'll look like you're covering 1:01:54.680 --> 1:01:56.680 for me. They can't prove shit. I didn't do shit. 1:01:56.760 --> 1:01:59.640 I'll be fine, and lives like, yeah, well, I'm probably 1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:02.480 gonna still do stuff like and he's like, you want 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:05.000 to go after the church, City Hall and Albany for 1:02:05.040 --> 1:02:07.800 an iab guy that most people hate. Stay out of it, 1:02:08.280 --> 1:02:11.160 And then lives phone buzzes and she's like, well, looks 1:02:11.160 --> 1:02:12.840 like I can't really stay out of it. One Pp 1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:18.800 wants to see her immediately back at the squad. Yeah, 1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:22.880 back at the squad, Baby Dodds definitely calls Barbara Barbara. 1:02:23.080 --> 1:02:26.000 He says something about Barbara and I definitely heard it 1:02:26.040 --> 1:02:28.480 every round It three times and it sounds like Barbara. 1:02:28.840 --> 1:02:31.560 And he's telling Rollins and Creasy how Barbara wouldn't say 1:02:31.560 --> 1:02:34.960 shit in front of him. And then Rollin's like, did 1:02:34.960 --> 1:02:36.440 you call Daddy yet? And he's like, yeah, but he 1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:37.920 hasn't gotten back to me. It's like, I love how 1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:40.360 everybody now it's just like, yeah, call your dad, and 1:02:40.480 --> 1:02:43.480 Rollins brings up the Catholic Church and then looks at 1:02:43.480 --> 1:02:48.439 Careese and apologizes to mister Catholic himself, who's like, Crisy goes, 1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:50.840 ninety nine percent of the parice are good guys. It's like, 1:02:50.840 --> 1:02:52.920 where'd you get that figure? I really don't think it's 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:56.040 that's the figure. I think the figure is definitely way off. 1:02:56.440 --> 1:02:58.520 And he's like, but the church brought this on themselves, 1:02:58.560 --> 1:03:01.560 so we Coreesy does not think that the churches is 1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:03.400 infallible in any way. 1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:06.920 It's like the not all men of yeaigi, it is 1:03:06.960 --> 1:03:07.880 all the priests. 1:03:08.240 --> 1:03:11.760 Yeah, but also the one percent is such a small number, 1:03:11.760 --> 1:03:14.800 like it's definitely bigger than that. And then Cariese says 1:03:15.200 --> 1:03:18.080 Barbara too. I swear to God I heard Cariese say Barbara. 1:03:18.160 --> 1:03:19.800 But he's a little bit more mealy mouth. He's more 1:03:19.800 --> 1:03:22.040 like Barbara, so like, I couldn't really hear if he 1:03:22.120 --> 1:03:24.800 said it, but I think everybody go back and check. 1:03:24.840 --> 1:03:27.000 I think they both say it's the last two minutes 1:03:27.040 --> 1:03:30.120 of the episode, Dodds and Carisy both say Barbara anyway. 1:03:30.520 --> 1:03:33.160 Benson walks in asks Cariese and Rollins get me some 1:03:33.200 --> 1:03:35.480 evidence boxes, and then Dodds and she goes, Dods, can 1:03:35.480 --> 1:03:36.960 I talk to you for a minute. He goes in 1:03:37.000 --> 1:03:38.640 her office and he's like, what's up? And she's like, 1:03:38.720 --> 1:03:41.480 you'd know better than me. He's clueless, and she's like, 1:03:41.600 --> 1:03:43.480 you're actually telling me you don't know what's going on, 1:03:43.560 --> 1:03:45.400 and he really doesn't, and I believe him. He looks 1:03:45.440 --> 1:03:48.560 like a totally like adult. And she's like, I'm out 1:03:48.600 --> 1:03:52.240 effective immediately, and Rollin's and Carisy come in with the 1:03:52.240 --> 1:03:55.680 boxes and she's like, Dodds is acting commander of SVU 1:03:55.920 --> 1:03:58.920 starting now. And she tells all of them you're dismissed 1:03:58.960 --> 1:04:01.360 as she starts packing shit into boxes and we see 1:04:01.360 --> 1:04:03.720 her take her Lieutenant Olivia and at benson name plate, 1:04:04.200 --> 1:04:07.480 and the EP goes dick wolf out on that, and 1:04:07.520 --> 1:04:08.600 we don't know what's going to happen. 1:04:08.840 --> 1:04:10.760 I mean, this is such a cliffhanger. To those who 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:13.120 don't watch the show, you're really it's like you're watching 1:04:13.160 --> 1:04:16.120 a narrative soap opera like this is the nineteen thirties, 1:04:16.200 --> 1:04:19.480 and check back with your radio next week, like that's 1:04:19.520 --> 1:04:22.200 a good episode. And that's I mean yeah, back. 1:04:22.040 --> 1:04:24.880 In the day, kids, you couldn't binge, so you had 1:04:24.920 --> 1:04:26.840 to wait and wait a. 1:04:26.800 --> 1:04:27.920 Whole week and see what happened. 1:04:27.920 --> 1:04:32.640 Because these episodes did air after each other, like a 1:04:32.680 --> 1:04:34.280 week after each other. So it's like, but there's not 1:04:34.320 --> 1:04:35.920 even like a to be continued on it. You just 1:04:36.000 --> 1:04:38.800 end the episode being like, is Olivia Benson fired? Like 1:04:39.480 --> 1:04:42.360 and you never really do know. Sometimes people leave these shows, 1:04:42.400 --> 1:04:45.000 but I think it would be you know, spoiler alert, 1:04:45.000 --> 1:04:45.680 She's still around. 1:04:46.280 --> 1:04:48.160 But we're going to find out what happens with the 1:04:48.240 --> 1:04:48.680 rest of this. 1:04:49.000 --> 1:04:53.080 But before that, Lisa, please take me down the True 1:04:53.120 --> 1:04:55.240 crime Street my pleasure. 1:04:55.400 --> 1:05:11.280 We'll see you soon. Listen. I'm gonna be talking about 1:05:11.320 --> 1:05:14.440 undercover nuns. There are nuns and they go undercover and 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:18.200 they help sex trafficking and you know, human trafficking victims 1:05:18.240 --> 1:05:21.120 all across the world. A lot of the articles were 1:05:21.120 --> 1:05:23.880 in twenty fifteen, and I wonder if they hired PR Like, 1:05:23.960 --> 1:05:26.439 I don't know what happened in twenty fifteen, but every 1:05:26.520 --> 1:05:29.959 single article had the exact same facts over and over 1:05:30.080 --> 1:05:35.360 across I'm saying complex was involved. Like everyone had an 1:05:35.480 --> 1:05:39.320 article stating the exact same facts in twenty fifteen. So 1:05:39.440 --> 1:05:41.440 I think they did a real big PR push or 1:05:42.080 --> 1:05:44.960 somewhere where I just broke and everybody was like how interesting, 1:05:45.040 --> 1:05:47.920 who knows? Yeah. And then also a lot of sources 1:05:47.960 --> 1:05:50.640 I found were like Christian news, and I refuse to 1:05:52.400 --> 1:05:56.240 use those because, you know, especially after we talked to 1:05:56.240 --> 1:06:02.160 that professor, and like Christian's views on human trafficking oftentimes 1:06:02.160 --> 1:06:05.800 are also anti sex work porn, and it's like convoluted, 1:06:06.000 --> 1:06:10.320 and it's not just about helping people, it's also about 1:06:10.320 --> 1:06:13.720 like prude culture and like anti woman and sex. So 1:06:14.360 --> 1:06:17.320 you know, it's so this was a little confusing. It 1:06:17.440 --> 1:06:20.120 was just like this PR push a lot of Christian 1:06:20.200 --> 1:06:22.760 news and I would be reading something and then I 1:06:22.800 --> 1:06:24.720 would read one thing and be like, wait, what source 1:06:24.800 --> 1:06:28.760 is this? Okay, it's a Christian thing. It would always 1:06:28.800 --> 1:06:31.880 like say one sentence too far, But you know, we 1:06:31.920 --> 1:06:35.360 did our best here. So this is straight up a 1:06:35.400 --> 1:06:40.080 low key network of about eleven hundred religious sisters aka nuns, 1:06:40.440 --> 1:06:43.320 and they go undercovers sex workers to help rescue trafficking 1:06:43.400 --> 1:06:48.240 victims for brothels. The group is called Talitha kom Talitha. 1:06:48.280 --> 1:06:52.080 Come use your imagination. But if you're a Bible thumper, 1:06:52.120 --> 1:06:54.480 you know what this is. And it's from the Bible. 1:06:54.600 --> 1:06:57.680 Jesus says this, and he and it means little girl, 1:06:57.800 --> 1:07:00.880 I say to you, rise up, And he said an 1:07:01.000 --> 1:07:04.000 aramaic to a twelve year old girl who died, and 1:07:04.040 --> 1:07:06.480 then Jesus took the girl and then they got up 1:07:06.480 --> 1:07:08.960 and walked around. So if you want to know more 1:07:08.960 --> 1:07:12.160 about this, it's Mark's fifth chapter, a Gospel of Mark's 1:07:12.240 --> 1:07:15.360 fifth Chapter. So did it sound like I was speaking 1:07:15.400 --> 1:07:17.640 truly French? Like I don't know anything I just said? 1:07:19.680 --> 1:07:22.960 Was it obvious I was reading word for word? So 1:07:23.040 --> 1:07:26.240 that's what the organization is called. And they see its 1:07:26.320 --> 1:07:29.520 name as an expression of the transformative power of compassion 1:07:29.560 --> 1:07:31.400 and mercy for those who have been wounded by the 1:07:31.440 --> 1:07:34.960 many forms of exploitation. Their mission is to share and 1:07:35.000 --> 1:07:39.800 maximize resources that religious life has on behalf of prevention, 1:07:40.040 --> 1:07:45.040 protection and assistance, awareness raising, and the denouncement of trafficking 1:07:45.120 --> 1:07:47.720 in persons, and that's in quotes from their mission statement 1:07:47.760 --> 1:07:50.600 on their website in our show notes. And so these 1:07:50.640 --> 1:07:56.400 infiltrating supernuns go into the brothels and a lot oftentimes 1:07:56.440 --> 1:08:00.280 they'll buy children being sold into slavery, and a lot 1:08:00.280 --> 1:08:03.280 of the figures were really hard. So like in twenty fifteen, 1:08:03.360 --> 1:08:05.600 a lot of the stuff said we're in eighty countries 1:08:05.640 --> 1:08:08.400 and expanding to one hundred and forty countries demand because 1:08:08.440 --> 1:08:11.160 of the demand of efforts to combat human trafficking. And 1:08:11.200 --> 1:08:13.040 then I found as of twenty twenty one, it's in 1:08:13.120 --> 1:08:16.680 ninety two countries, but someplaces say seventy seven countries, so 1:08:16.720 --> 1:08:18.000 I don't even know. I don't even know if I 1:08:18.000 --> 1:08:21.120 can name ninety two countries, but it's around the world, 1:08:21.200 --> 1:08:23.479 and the nuns are out there. And there's also like 1:08:24.280 --> 1:08:28.719 stories of nuns infiltrating and helping traffic victims and sex 1:08:28.760 --> 1:08:31.559 workers dating back to the seventy sixties. Like I found 1:08:31.600 --> 1:08:34.160 lots of things, so this is like an organized network 1:08:34.160 --> 1:08:37.240 and they're working together, and the popes even endorse this group. 1:08:37.600 --> 1:08:40.040 But like it seems like nuns have been really going 1:08:40.120 --> 1:08:43.360 hard protecting women. For the nuns are nunning doll. 1:08:43.520 --> 1:08:46.599 The nuns are nunning, and may I ask how many 1:08:46.600 --> 1:08:49.639 priests are getting out there infiltrating fucking sex rings. 1:08:49.640 --> 1:08:53.320 Are any priests doing any of that work? Just wondering. No, 1:08:53.400 --> 1:08:55.240 it seems like there's a seems like there's a. 1:08:55.120 --> 1:08:58.000 Fundamental difference between a nun and a priest in this situation. 1:08:58.720 --> 1:09:02.559 Well, the priests are like power, power, power, listen to 1:09:02.600 --> 1:09:06.680 me talk, and the nuns are like, we want to help. Yeah. 1:09:06.720 --> 1:09:09.519 There's a line in Marcela Shell where he's like he 1:09:09.880 --> 1:09:12.200 I forgot what he's comparing, but he goes, oh, it's 1:09:12.240 --> 1:09:15.559 about gardening, like how the grandma, Grandma Connie works with 1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:18.040 the bugs, and Marcella Shell goes, you know, it's like 1:09:18.160 --> 1:09:22.120 Sister Act where you know they do graffiti for transformation 1:09:22.439 --> 1:09:26.280 or something like. Marcel has like a really funny line 1:09:26.320 --> 1:09:29.160 about substract too love that. Wait, did you know that? 1:09:29.320 --> 1:09:32.160 On my semester abroad in Rome, I lived in a convent. 1:09:32.760 --> 1:09:35.560 No, you're like a little Katie Perry. No. And we 1:09:35.680 --> 1:09:37.519 had these really cool nuns that helped us. 1:09:37.520 --> 1:09:39.639 And I would go back like years later and be like, hi, 1:09:39.760 --> 1:09:41.400 I studied abroad here, and they'd be like, how are 1:09:41.439 --> 1:09:43.639 you we remember, like and they would wear new Balance 1:09:43.680 --> 1:09:46.320 sneakers like underneath their little outfits, and they looked so 1:09:46.439 --> 1:09:48.799 cute and they were always like so cool and nice. 1:09:49.280 --> 1:09:51.639 They just helped like run the convent where my study 1:09:51.640 --> 1:09:52.519 abroad program was. 1:09:52.880 --> 1:09:54.920 Yeah, but you know, I also hear about nuns hitting 1:09:55.000 --> 1:09:57.040 kids with rulers. I'm not saying all nuns are great. 1:09:57.160 --> 1:10:02.000 These nuns are good, you know if you were bind. Yeah, 1:10:02.080 --> 1:10:04.720 the base of this organization is in Rome, and their 1:10:04.760 --> 1:10:08.920 networks are active in five continents, and they're coordinating anti 1:10:08.920 --> 1:10:15.639 trafficking efforts of fifty intercongregational networks organized at the nationalsh 1:10:15.720 --> 1:10:18.840 local level, and then ten networks that include the joint 1:10:18.880 --> 1:10:22.360 coordination of several countries at the regional level. So that's 1:10:22.400 --> 1:10:25.760 what I mean. Like I found all these other homes 1:10:25.760 --> 1:10:30.320 and places and stories, and so I think this is 1:10:30.360 --> 1:10:34.479 like the top organization that connects all of these nuns together. 1:10:34.680 --> 1:10:38.479 But I don't know. It is really cool and it 1:10:38.560 --> 1:10:41.360 is a huge problem. Obviously. Human trafficking is the third 1:10:41.600 --> 1:10:46.000 third biggest illegal market and profits criminals up to one 1:10:46.080 --> 1:10:49.840 hundred and fifty billion dollars a year, So that's a lot. 1:10:50.560 --> 1:10:54.679 The international labor organization estimates that roughly twenty five million 1:10:54.720 --> 1:10:57.920 people are enforced labor across the globe, and nearly five 1:10:57.960 --> 1:11:02.720 million of those facing forced sexual explos Also included is 1:11:02.840 --> 1:11:06.840 forced begging. I learned that about that. And what was 1:11:06.880 --> 1:11:09.840 that fun movie with Dev Patel that brought slum Dog 1:11:09.880 --> 1:11:13.080 lockdown a millionaire? Oh that's scene with the little boy 1:11:13.120 --> 1:11:15.439 in his eyes, Like it really has stuck with me 1:11:15.479 --> 1:11:17.519 all these years, but like, yeah, do you remember this 1:11:17.680 --> 1:11:17.880 or no? 1:11:18.479 --> 1:11:21.240 I love that movie, but I don't remember that part. 1:11:21.439 --> 1:11:22.400 Maybe I've blocked it out. 1:11:22.760 --> 1:11:25.400 They like make kids blind on purpose because then when 1:11:25.400 --> 1:11:28.000 they beg they make more money because they look more sympathetic. 1:11:28.120 --> 1:11:30.160 Oh yeah, well you know when I was. 1:11:30.320 --> 1:11:32.800 You know, there's also stories about like when when they 1:11:32.800 --> 1:11:35.080 hold babies, When a lot of beggars hold babies, they're 1:11:35.320 --> 1:11:38.320 giving kids either heroin or something to drug them so 1:11:38.360 --> 1:11:41.160 they don't cry. So people are just holding babies that 1:11:41.240 --> 1:11:43.719 are not crying so people will give them more money. 1:11:44.200 --> 1:11:46.400 It's horrible. I think i'd give more money to a 1:11:46.439 --> 1:11:47.200 crying baby. 1:11:47.280 --> 1:11:48.639 I think they just want you to see a beautiful 1:11:48.640 --> 1:11:49.720 sleeping baby and give money. 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:54.160 Oh yeah, but that slum Dog Millionaires scene really hurts horrible, 1:11:54.600 --> 1:11:59.439 so forced begging, forced marriage, and then domestic servitude. And 1:11:59.479 --> 1:12:01.640 it's a different, dificult issue, of course, because it's so 1:12:01.760 --> 1:12:05.439 caught up with poverty, and you know, the rich thrive 1:12:05.479 --> 1:12:07.360 off poverty. So I don't know if they'll ever be 1:12:07.400 --> 1:12:10.759 an end. But and that was said by Mayor Maira 1:12:10.960 --> 1:12:13.479 kooler A None from Bolivia, and that's what she said 1:12:13.520 --> 1:12:17.639 about sexual exploitation. Seventy percent of trafficking victims are women. 1:12:18.240 --> 1:12:21.559 Ninety percent of them are used for sexual exploitation. Twenty 1:12:21.560 --> 1:12:24.240 five to thirty percent are like young girls and boys 1:12:24.640 --> 1:12:27.519 is the next group. The majority of these victims live 1:12:27.520 --> 1:12:30.320 in Asia in the Pacific region, at about like three 1:12:30.400 --> 1:12:32.639 point five million, compared to in America where it's around 1:12:32.640 --> 1:12:36.160 two hundred thousand for the stats. And and you know, 1:12:36.240 --> 1:12:38.400 and we talk about this now, like we talked about 1:12:38.439 --> 1:12:40.240 this in the episode about Robert Kraft and that was 1:12:40.280 --> 1:12:43.639 the Margaret Show episode. But it's like America right now 1:12:43.680 --> 1:12:46.720 is all gung ho about like human trafficking and upping it, 1:12:46.760 --> 1:12:49.599 but it's about money to police forces, and like really 1:12:49.640 --> 1:12:53.120 it criminalizes the sex workers, not the men that like 1:12:53.360 --> 1:12:55.800 use that. It's just like because I know people are 1:12:55.800 --> 1:12:59.240 being snatched and stuff, but it is being overblown in 1:12:59.360 --> 1:13:01.960 our culture in America right now. 1:13:02.000 --> 1:13:05.320 Well like that, Liz Well, I was just gonna say, 1:13:05.320 --> 1:13:07.600 this episode kind of proves it. They're targeting girls that 1:13:07.640 --> 1:13:11.519 are in foster homes, that are have drug problems, and 1:13:11.560 --> 1:13:16.200 they're they're funneling them into human trafficking scenarios, whereas a 1:13:16.240 --> 1:13:18.000 lot of the media tries to make it seem like 1:13:18.120 --> 1:13:20.519 your teenage daughter could be walking down the street and 1:13:20.560 --> 1:13:23.160 shoved into a van and sold into slavery like taken, 1:13:23.640 --> 1:13:26.200 and that's just not necessarily the way it is. They're 1:13:26.240 --> 1:13:31.000 targeting specifically poor groups. They're targeting specifically and and a 1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:33.200 lot of times it's people are being like we talked 1:13:33.200 --> 1:13:37.240 to doctor Heatherberg, they're being uh sent into a trafficking 1:13:37.320 --> 1:13:41.680 rings by people they know to make money. And I mean, 1:13:41.720 --> 1:13:43.160 I don't know for what it's worth from what I 1:13:43.240 --> 1:13:44.920 the some of the research I heard. Again, I always 1:13:44.920 --> 1:13:47.760 point people to this episode about uh trafficking from You're 1:13:47.760 --> 1:13:50.240 wrong about the podcast that I always talk about. But 1:13:50.880 --> 1:13:53.240 a lot of the trafficking is labor trafficking. I mean, 1:13:53.360 --> 1:13:56.560 sexual trafficking is a lot more headline grabbing but a 1:13:56.600 --> 1:13:58.320 lot of it is, like I was just reading about 1:13:58.880 --> 1:14:01.880 like fucking kids that cross the border and are working 1:14:01.880 --> 1:14:05.040 in like serial factories for no money now because they 1:14:05.200 --> 1:14:08.000 there's nothing else they can do in our country. 1:14:07.640 --> 1:14:08.240 You know what I mean. 1:14:08.320 --> 1:14:10.920 Like there's just a lot of forced labor that is 1:14:10.960 --> 1:14:12.479 also under the trafficking umbrella. 1:14:12.760 --> 1:14:16.120 Yeah, And studies according to NBC News suggest that over 1:14:16.200 --> 1:14:18.479 sixty percent of those who are trafficked for sex wire 1:14:18.560 --> 1:14:22.360 runaway children. And they're often lured into that life within 1:14:22.520 --> 1:14:25.960 seventy two hours of leaving home, and that's when they're 1:14:26.000 --> 1:14:29.040 like vulnerable, they're fresh on the Oh god, this is 1:14:29.080 --> 1:14:31.599 so sad. There's one story I found of a fifteen 1:14:31.640 --> 1:14:34.080 year old runaway from Michigan in the nineteen seventies. That's 1:14:34.080 --> 1:14:36.840 what I mean. Like this organization, you know, didn't become 1:14:36.840 --> 1:14:39.519 official till own nine, but these nuns have been out there. 1:14:40.040 --> 1:14:41.800 So this story just s grabbed me. So in the 1:14:41.840 --> 1:14:44.719 nineteen seventies, this woman named Leslie King met an older 1:14:44.720 --> 1:14:46.920 man after she ran away who promised to take care 1:14:46.960 --> 1:14:48.479 of her, who ended up being a pimp and told 1:14:48.520 --> 1:14:50.160 her if you try to run or tell the police, 1:14:50.360 --> 1:14:52.599 I'll kill your mother. Son sister and brother, and I'll 1:14:52.640 --> 1:14:54.600 cut up your body parts and spread them across the 1:14:54.640 --> 1:14:57.960 state of Michigan if you're fifteen. She believes that person, 1:14:58.080 --> 1:15:00.960 you know what I mean. Yeah, she got to work 1:15:00.960 --> 1:15:03.719 in Grand Rapids, Michigan, until a woman named Sister Francett 1:15:03.840 --> 1:15:06.639 started showing up with her Catholic sisters to talk and pray. 1:15:06.960 --> 1:15:09.400 But Leslie would never talk. But one day she ended 1:15:09.439 --> 1:15:12.080 up going to rehab emptying her purse and the sister's 1:15:12.120 --> 1:15:15.280 card fell out. So after she left rehab, she went 1:15:15.360 --> 1:15:17.400 to live at a place called Rosehaven, which was run 1:15:17.439 --> 1:15:20.880 by the nuns who worked with the Sister Francet. And 1:15:20.960 --> 1:15:25.280 so you know, this has been a tradition, it seems like. 1:15:26.120 --> 1:15:29.000 But like I said, this group, Talitha kumb formerly was 1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:32.080 established in two thousand and nine, and it promotes collaboration, 1:15:32.240 --> 1:15:34.960 like I said, among the networks organized at national, regional 1:15:34.960 --> 1:15:39.559 and continental levels, even if each network remains unique and 1:15:39.720 --> 1:15:43.480 operates within its own country or region of this International 1:15:43.560 --> 1:15:48.320 Union of Superiors General UISG. And so the nuns often 1:15:48.439 --> 1:15:50.600 dress up as sex workers head into the streets to 1:15:50.640 --> 1:15:53.840 integrate themselves into the brothels. The group is made up 1:15:53.840 --> 1:15:57.200 of roughly sixty thousand religious sisters. They work. 1:15:57.400 --> 1:15:59.439 I would love to see this shopping trip, by the way, 1:15:59.479 --> 1:16:01.120 I would love to see just like a bunch of 1:16:01.520 --> 1:16:06.200 nuns like at Forever twenty one, like trying on outfits 1:16:06.240 --> 1:16:07.800 to try to fit into brothels. 1:16:08.240 --> 1:16:11.719 Yeah, I love it. They work on their own, even 1:16:11.760 --> 1:16:14.559 though they have the support of Pope Francis, who has 1:16:14.600 --> 1:16:16.400 said that I don't care about the Pope, but I 1:16:16.400 --> 1:16:19.519 guess it's like cool that the Pope's into it, who 1:16:19.560 --> 1:16:22.120 says that problems are the best resolved by going out 1:16:22.160 --> 1:16:24.559 into the streets while he sits in a fancy hat 1:16:24.640 --> 1:16:27.240 at the Vatican. But yes, my. 1:16:27.600 --> 1:16:29.720 Husband has a joke that's like, yeah, the Pope is 1:16:29.760 --> 1:16:32.200 like the most progressive god. This pope is like the 1:16:32.200 --> 1:16:34.400 most progressive guy who lives in a castle and thinks 1:16:34.400 --> 1:16:37.559 that wizards are real, you know, Like, I guess he's 1:16:37.600 --> 1:16:39.639 progressive for someone that believes in magic. 1:16:41.760 --> 1:16:44.880 So they're super They're a super low key group. They 1:16:44.880 --> 1:16:48.720 don't trust local police obviously, they do not trust government obviously, 1:16:48.880 --> 1:16:52.520 no corporations, and they don't trust the male clergy. They yeah, 1:16:52.560 --> 1:16:56.000 alone love it. Nobody knows they're there, and even when 1:16:56.040 --> 1:16:58.599 they did know, like the pimps did know. They left 1:16:58.640 --> 1:17:01.160 the nuns alone because they knew that there's nothing that 1:17:01.160 --> 1:17:02.840 they could say or do that would have the nuns 1:17:02.880 --> 1:17:04.880 run away. Like the nuns had the spirit of the Lord, 1:17:04.920 --> 1:17:07.839 they're not leaving. So they also try to save children 1:17:07.840 --> 1:17:10.680 who are being sold into slavery by their parents and 1:17:10.760 --> 1:17:13.719 set up homes in many countries to house these children. 1:17:14.040 --> 1:17:18.280 There's homes in Africa, Philippines, Brazil, India, so on, all 1:17:18.320 --> 1:17:21.120 over the world. And you can't generalize about trafficking and 1:17:21.160 --> 1:17:23.960 slavery because no two countries are the same. It's like 1:17:24.080 --> 1:17:26.760 very specific per place to go. And not only do 1:17:26.800 --> 1:17:29.000 they work in the streets, they also do push for 1:17:29.080 --> 1:17:33.160 systemic change, lobbying and stronger loss to help combat human trafficking. 1:17:33.640 --> 1:17:36.439 They also work to restore back dignity to these trafficked 1:17:36.479 --> 1:17:41.800 people by offering therapeutic, medical, emotional, and financial support. There 1:17:41.920 --> 1:17:44.080 is a Day of Prayer and Awareness every year. It's 1:17:44.120 --> 1:17:47.280 February eighth, So next year, if you want to pray 1:17:47.520 --> 1:17:51.320 and be aware, that's the day. They also run prevention 1:17:51.439 --> 1:17:54.320 programs in schools and offer education and training to young 1:17:54.320 --> 1:17:57.000 people to keep them out of hands of traffickers. So 1:17:57.080 --> 1:17:59.880 these nuns are busy, they're out there and where think 1:18:00.360 --> 1:18:02.479 for their work. I love hearing about this. 1:18:02.600 --> 1:18:05.240 I love hearing about where like the sort of sister 1:18:05.360 --> 1:18:09.840 Nina idea came from, because yeah, I've never thought of 1:18:09.920 --> 1:18:13.240 nuns like dressing up and going in to infiltrate these 1:18:13.320 --> 1:18:14.360 kind of rings and stuff. 1:18:14.400 --> 1:18:17.799 It's kind of a loud story. And of course we'll 1:18:17.800 --> 1:18:20.639 see you next week for a part two of this episode. 1:18:20.680 --> 1:18:27.519 So yes, nore crime, Yes, has even more salacious crimes since. 1:18:27.560 --> 1:18:30.360 To speak of more guests, great guests, we have a 1:18:30.400 --> 1:18:33.360 great guest today, Pumped. 1:18:33.479 --> 1:18:44.800 Pumped, Our guest today is a classic double threat, an 1:18:44.840 --> 1:18:49.280 actor and a sound effects editor and sound designer. She's 1:18:49.320 --> 1:18:51.960 best known for her recurring role as Gina Murphy on 1:18:52.040 --> 1:18:54.519 Orange Is the New Black, and she's been featured on 1:18:54.560 --> 1:18:57.200 shows like What We Do in the Shadows and Chicago Med. 1:18:57.400 --> 1:19:01.240 But she's also worked professionally in post productions on features 1:19:01.240 --> 1:19:04.040 and TV for almost twenty years. She most recently worked 1:19:04.040 --> 1:19:06.320 as a sound effect editor on A twenty four's X 1:19:06.760 --> 1:19:09.960 and as the supervising sound editor on the upcoming Apple 1:19:10.000 --> 1:19:13.639 Plus show Monster Factory. But you know her today as 1:19:13.720 --> 1:19:18.000 the wily and dedicated sister Nina Kelly. Guys, please enjoy 1:19:18.040 --> 1:19:20.560 our chat with the very talented Abigail Savage. 1:19:20.960 --> 1:19:25.640 We're so excited that you're here. Yeah for you royalty. 1:19:26.600 --> 1:19:29.080 Yeah, I hear you. Guys are collecting us like Pokemon. 1:19:29.400 --> 1:19:29.559 Yeah. 1:19:29.840 --> 1:19:33.280 Yeah, I'm trying to catch them all, all the orange babies. 1:19:33.320 --> 1:19:35.800 We can't wait. Oh. 1:19:35.840 --> 1:19:40.000 I just thought it was funny because our producer Casey goes, oh, 1:19:40.040 --> 1:19:41.599 you seem like you have a great setup, and your 1:19:41.600 --> 1:19:43.760 face was kind of like yeah, because you are a 1:19:43.760 --> 1:19:46.760 sound engineer and a sound designer on the side, so 1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:49.120 I feel like, not on the side, but like divided. 1:19:49.200 --> 1:19:50.920 I guess I wanted to ask you that first. 1:19:51.040 --> 1:19:53.479 Like when we first with the first episode we covered 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:55.800 that you were in was actually Sugar, the one where 1:19:55.880 --> 1:19:58.960 you play the like masturbator. 1:19:59.120 --> 1:19:59.360 Yeah. 1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:03.799 I remember being like, oh, her IMDb has one hundred 1:20:03.800 --> 1:20:05.679 and six sound credits. 1:20:05.720 --> 1:20:07.960 I wonder if she pivoted to acting. 1:20:08.000 --> 1:20:09.600 But then when I did some more research about you, 1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:11.320 it sounded like it was just like a thing you 1:20:11.360 --> 1:20:12.920 did at the same time as acting. 1:20:13.120 --> 1:20:14.720 So I just wanted to hear a little bit more 1:20:14.760 --> 1:20:15.000 about it. 1:20:15.040 --> 1:20:15.400 You want the. 1:20:15.400 --> 1:20:18.719 Lowdown on that? Yeah, I always wanted to be an actor, 1:20:19.120 --> 1:20:21.040 you know, straight through college. And I got out of 1:20:21.040 --> 1:20:24.080 college and I thought to myself, well, this is not 1:20:24.320 --> 1:20:28.759 leading lady material. Let's be honest. Regardless of my talent, 1:20:28.840 --> 1:20:31.599 I'm just not going to get casts like all that often. 1:20:32.040 --> 1:20:33.680 So I thought to myself, do I want to be 1:20:33.800 --> 1:20:36.559 like waiting tables as I struggle to be an actor 1:20:36.600 --> 1:20:38.519 my whole life, or do I want to be in 1:20:38.600 --> 1:20:43.559 the industry in the meantime. And crazily enough, I'm in 1:20:43.600 --> 1:20:47.360 a house right after college with like five other roommates 1:20:47.360 --> 1:20:51.680 in Williamsburg and one of my roommates is complaining that 1:20:51.720 --> 1:20:55.080 she has too many internships, poor her and one of 1:20:55.120 --> 1:20:59.640 the internships is doing post production sound for film, and 1:20:59.680 --> 1:21:03.200 I was like, dude, I'll take your internship for you. 1:21:03.760 --> 1:21:05.760 So I just sort of like showed up. I just 1:21:05.800 --> 1:21:09.679 sort of got an internship without trying, and I literally 1:21:09.720 --> 1:21:13.519 work at that facility to this day, like twenty years later. 1:21:14.040 --> 1:21:15.080 Oh my gosh. 1:21:15.160 --> 1:21:19.120 That's how I wanted some kind of career in film 1:21:19.200 --> 1:21:21.760 while I pursued acting, and I like it just like 1:21:21.920 --> 1:21:22.920 fell into my lap. 1:21:23.400 --> 1:21:29.640 So that's amazing. Were you always like gifted with sound? I? I, 1:21:29.800 --> 1:21:31.719 you know, I dabbled with the music thing. 1:21:31.760 --> 1:21:33.720 I tell myself how to play guitars so I could 1:21:33.760 --> 1:21:36.680 sing sad lesbian folk songs to myself. 1:21:36.800 --> 1:21:39.280 Yes, my genre, made me know my genre. 1:21:41.120 --> 1:21:45.759 And in college, all the theater majors for our final production, 1:21:45.840 --> 1:21:48.400 we all had to do an aspect of the show 1:21:48.479 --> 1:21:52.920 aside from acting, and I was handed the sound and 1:21:53.000 --> 1:21:55.120 I learned it was like right around the time when 1:21:55.200 --> 1:21:58.360 sound was going super digital on computers, and I learned 1:21:58.400 --> 1:22:01.599 that you could like edit song in all these different 1:22:01.640 --> 1:22:04.200 ways that they weren't intended to be, and that you 1:22:04.240 --> 1:22:08.040 could see sound waves on a screen and cut and paste, 1:22:08.080 --> 1:22:10.080 and it was like it just blew my mind. So 1:22:10.120 --> 1:22:12.840 I was already kind of interested in it by the 1:22:12.880 --> 1:22:15.320 time I left college. So there you go. 1:22:15.760 --> 1:22:17.240 Definitely better than waiting tables. 1:22:19.680 --> 1:22:20.960 Yeah, it's a lot of fun. 1:22:21.160 --> 1:22:25.519 Yeah yeah, what are your pet peeves in sound? In 1:22:25.640 --> 1:22:28.519 terms of on set and then while you're watching something 1:22:28.640 --> 1:22:30.000 noticing things that bother you. 1:22:30.360 --> 1:22:35.240 Noisy props drive me crazy on set, Like a famous 1:22:35.280 --> 1:22:39.360 example was on Orange in the kitchen scenes, we all 1:22:39.400 --> 1:22:43.559 had these gloves on these like super plastic thin, like 1:22:43.680 --> 1:22:47.320 garbage bag like thickness plastic gloves and it's like the 1:22:47.360 --> 1:22:50.000 whole scene, all I could hear as an actor is 1:22:50.040 --> 1:22:53.160 that s and I was like, oh my god, the 1:22:53.280 --> 1:22:56.439 sound people must be going crazy with that, because like 1:22:56.920 --> 1:23:00.720 that's an impossible thing. Nobody wants that sound in the 1:23:00.760 --> 1:23:04.320 final you know, product of their shows or whatever. So yeah, 1:23:04.360 --> 1:23:08.080 often on set, I'll sort of notice the noisy props 1:23:08.120 --> 1:23:11.280 and you know, go through a whole internal monologue about 1:23:11.320 --> 1:23:13.320 it in my head about like what should we do, 1:23:13.400 --> 1:23:16.320 how should we work around it, et cetera, et cetera. 1:23:16.600 --> 1:23:20.640 So well, let's get into how much noise that crucifix 1:23:20.720 --> 1:23:24.759 made before you shoved it into your bag. Sister Nina, 1:23:25.479 --> 1:23:28.599 this character we love, Like, you know, there was this 1:23:28.800 --> 1:23:31.519 character up until season twelve named Sister Peg who was 1:23:31.520 --> 1:23:35.760 like another nun played by Charlane Woodward, and she like, 1:23:36.160 --> 1:23:38.320 she really resonates with people, and I felt like you 1:23:38.400 --> 1:23:38.840 when you came. 1:23:38.920 --> 1:23:40.679 I was like, oh, there's like a new Sister Peg. 1:23:41.760 --> 1:23:44.840 There's a new nun like who puts everything aside to 1:23:44.880 --> 1:23:46.680 help people and does it, you know. 1:23:47.160 --> 1:23:50.679 And then unfortunately, Sodi, you didn't make it. You didn't 1:23:50.680 --> 1:23:51.120 make it. 1:23:51.479 --> 1:23:54.479 No, but what an episode tell us, like tell us 1:23:54.479 --> 1:23:58.040 the SVU situation, because you had done two svus already, 1:23:58.400 --> 1:24:00.639 you were one of the tunnel people in the episod Control, 1:24:00.680 --> 1:24:01.000 which is. 1:24:00.960 --> 1:24:04.360 Another that we've done, yep, and then. 1:24:04.439 --> 1:24:07.479 Then you were in this big two parter in season seventeen. 1:24:07.600 --> 1:24:09.400 So at this point did they just bring you in 1:24:09.439 --> 1:24:09.960 for this one? 1:24:10.680 --> 1:24:13.680 I mean I auditioned, but okay, they really I mean 1:24:13.720 --> 1:24:17.240 it seemed like they were very excited about me. You know, 1:24:17.320 --> 1:24:19.679 they sought me out. I don't know if my agent 1:24:19.960 --> 1:24:22.840 manager sent sent the stuff. I think they sought me 1:24:22.880 --> 1:24:26.640 out for it. And I was kind of surprised, and 1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:28.960 I was kind of worried about getting it too, because 1:24:29.000 --> 1:24:31.960 it seemed like there was so much, you know, was 1:24:32.000 --> 1:24:33.840 that it was going to the dark side, like it 1:24:33.880 --> 1:24:36.800 was going to be a difficult role to play, and 1:24:37.280 --> 1:24:39.640 I was like, oh, this is going to take a 1:24:39.680 --> 1:24:44.200 lot of energy. Yea, but yeah. So yeah, so third 1:24:44.240 --> 1:24:49.559 times the Charm, Yeah, And it was a blast because 1:24:49.680 --> 1:24:54.960 you know that the set is this beautifully well oiled machine, 1:24:55.240 --> 1:24:59.559 and it's just like, uh so they just know what 1:24:59.600 --> 1:25:02.720 they're doing in this way that is not necessarily the 1:25:02.720 --> 1:25:05.800 case in all shows and on film and stuff like that. 1:25:05.960 --> 1:25:09.559 So it's always like a really wonderful experience to shoot 1:25:09.560 --> 1:25:10.040 with them. 1:25:10.240 --> 1:25:12.240 And did you feel that way, like because you're a 1:25:12.280 --> 1:25:15.680 person that did like season five and then season like 1:25:16.000 --> 1:25:18.439 I don't even know what sugar was like eight or something, 1:25:18.600 --> 1:25:21.559 and then seventeen, Like did you feel changes in the 1:25:21.600 --> 1:25:23.400 set like from the different times that you went. 1:25:24.160 --> 1:25:28.600 It was already so smoothly run by season five, Like 1:25:28.760 --> 1:25:30.599 I was only there for a half day, but if 1:25:30.640 --> 1:25:32.600 you think about it, I mean there was already the 1:25:32.640 --> 1:25:36.080 regular law and order, so they just inherited all that 1:25:36.200 --> 1:25:40.960 knowledge on how to do things quickly and well, and 1:25:41.600 --> 1:25:44.519 so it was just like it's actually quite intimidating at 1:25:44.560 --> 1:25:48.200 first because you're dropping and everybody knows each other, everybody 1:25:48.240 --> 1:25:50.400 knows what they're doing, and you're just this new person 1:25:50.439 --> 1:25:53.840 on set. But it was funny because Mariska, who I 1:25:53.960 --> 1:25:57.559 had scenes with in both of the previous episodes and 1:25:57.760 --> 1:26:01.760 like conversations with, but she still had no I had 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:05.879 no idea who I was, come come this third round 1:26:05.960 --> 1:26:08.880 and then I think, I think maybe she'd recognize me 1:26:08.920 --> 1:26:11.639 now if she saw me based on this the sister 1:26:11.720 --> 1:26:16.200 Kelly Mina Kelly episode. Yeah, yeah, but it was funny. 1:26:16.320 --> 1:26:18.080 Was it hard not to be like Marishka we know 1:26:18.160 --> 1:26:18.479 each other. 1:26:18.880 --> 1:26:21.640 Yeah, but then you think, oh my god, like the 1:26:21.760 --> 1:26:25.840 number of actors that she has had to interact with. 1:26:26.120 --> 1:26:28.639 It like twenty four seasons at this point. 1:26:28.760 --> 1:26:31.120 Yeah, it's hundreds. It's hundreds of people. 1:26:31.320 --> 1:26:34.000 And she's dealing with like five at least five new 1:26:34.040 --> 1:26:37.200 actors every episode. I mean, like, forget it. I yeah, 1:26:37.320 --> 1:26:40.640 I had. I totally understood why she didn't realize and 1:26:40.840 --> 1:26:41.719 met me before. 1:26:42.600 --> 1:26:45.719 Well, I'm sure that's how people felt coming into Orange 1:26:45.760 --> 1:26:48.679 as well, because you guys, it seemed like had deep 1:26:48.720 --> 1:26:49.840 connections with each other. 1:26:49.920 --> 1:26:53.439 And yeah, I mean that's the thing Orange was. I 1:26:53.560 --> 1:26:56.040 was there. I think my first day of shooting was 1:26:56.120 --> 1:27:00.679 the second day of shooting overall, so we were all 1:27:00.920 --> 1:27:04.360 and and of course nothing had come out on Netflix 1:27:04.640 --> 1:27:07.280 yet except for a House of Cards, but that was 1:27:07.320 --> 1:27:11.160 like slightly different situation. But like we were, it was 1:27:11.200 --> 1:27:14.640 all just like a bunch of people being kind of 1:27:15.520 --> 1:27:19.400 excited and curious about like what this thing was we 1:27:19.400 --> 1:27:23.840 were creating, you know. And then of course once we 1:27:23.920 --> 1:27:27.360 got going and realized that it was a hit and everything, 1:27:27.920 --> 1:27:30.639 I think we were pretty we were pretty inclusive to 1:27:30.640 --> 1:27:33.920 to the to nubes, you know. Yeah, there, there weren't 1:27:33.960 --> 1:27:36.680 that many. You know, there were there were only a 1:27:36.680 --> 1:27:39.599 couple of new actors a season. Really, when you come. 1:27:39.479 --> 1:27:42.759 Right down to us, true, we're both like huge Orange fans. 1:27:42.800 --> 1:27:44.280 I know, we we want to I think we have 1:27:44.320 --> 1:27:46.559 orange stuff that we want to talk about in a sect, 1:27:46.600 --> 1:27:48.519 but I just want to ask more a few more 1:27:48.600 --> 1:27:49.720 SVU things. 1:27:49.439 --> 1:27:49.960 Oh please? 1:27:50.680 --> 1:27:54.479 So yeah, So getting into this role, were you just like, 1:27:55.400 --> 1:27:58.400 I mean, this is a wild character because she's this 1:27:58.600 --> 1:28:01.320 like she has this like pure her religious heart. She 1:28:01.320 --> 1:28:03.600 wants to help people, but then everyone's gaslighting her like 1:28:03.600 --> 1:28:06.200 she's crazy. She knows that she's part of this big conspiracy, 1:28:06.240 --> 1:28:07.559 but kind of no one believes her. 1:28:08.040 --> 1:28:10.479 So like, how did you? I don't know, prep like, 1:28:10.520 --> 1:28:11.559 how did you get into it? 1:28:13.240 --> 1:28:16.719 You know, I think it's mostly just something that fits 1:28:16.760 --> 1:28:21.760 in my personality, the sort of anxiety paranoia thing. It's 1:28:21.880 --> 1:28:25.200 just like, uh, I think she has this line like 1:28:25.360 --> 1:28:29.479 I'm not crazy at some point I literally said that 1:28:29.560 --> 1:28:33.639 on an episode of Chicago Med last year, like I'm 1:28:33.720 --> 1:28:38.240 just cast as these like really neurotic, terrified human beings. 1:28:38.400 --> 1:28:42.320 So like, but they're they're crazy, They're not really ey, No. 1:28:42.240 --> 1:28:46.280 We just we just have this vein of tight anxiety 1:28:46.280 --> 1:28:49.679 that runs to us that people don't understand. Yes, it's 1:28:49.760 --> 1:28:55.120 it's it's my Jewish neurosis just bubbling up, but so 1:28:55.320 --> 1:28:58.519 like so so that those parts I think were just 1:28:58.680 --> 1:29:01.559 instant connection for me. And then I just had to 1:29:01.600 --> 1:29:03.760 pretend to be Catholic instead of Jewish, and. 1:29:03.960 --> 1:29:06.320 Yeah, go oh, there's a lot of guilt, I thnk 1:29:06.320 --> 1:29:07.200 on both sides. 1:29:08.120 --> 1:29:12.480 So it's how was it working with the baby baby Noah, 1:29:12.520 --> 1:29:13.440 Oh yeah. 1:29:13.160 --> 1:29:15.960 The baby who was actually kind of big. I think 1:29:16.000 --> 1:29:20.160 it was like, because I'm a teeny weeny human being, 1:29:20.240 --> 1:29:23.960 I am five feet tall and I will always be 1:29:24.000 --> 1:29:26.360 five feet tall no matter how much I shrink as 1:29:26.400 --> 1:29:30.160 I age, I would be five feet tall and like barely, 1:29:30.400 --> 1:29:33.200 I'm not even one hundred pounds. I'm tiny, right, And 1:29:33.960 --> 1:29:36.640 had I had a newborn or one year old at 1:29:36.640 --> 1:29:38.800 that point, I can't remember how old she was, but 1:29:39.120 --> 1:29:42.160 still a very liftable child for me. And then I 1:29:42.200 --> 1:29:44.000 get on set and they want me to pick this 1:29:44.080 --> 1:29:47.320 kid up. And the kid's like, I mean, the kid's 1:29:47.360 --> 1:29:50.240 three or something, like a normally small kid. But for me, 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:53.799 I was like, I've never lifted a child this big before. 1:29:54.240 --> 1:29:56.240 This is like I don't even know how to do it, 1:29:56.240 --> 1:29:58.040 and I kept sort of lifting him up by the 1:29:58.040 --> 1:30:01.040 crotch because that's what you do with babies. But it 1:30:01.120 --> 1:30:04.240 was it was super awkward. But I just kept thinking, 1:30:04.280 --> 1:30:07.679 don't drop the child. Just don't trap the child. Throughout 1:30:07.720 --> 1:30:09.720 all the scenes where I'm holding him, it's like my 1:30:10.200 --> 1:30:13.599 all I'm thinking about, like I'm barely getting my lines out, 1:30:13.720 --> 1:30:16.280 just don't trap the child. Yeah. 1:30:16.320 --> 1:30:19.640 But the other scene I think about is you know 1:30:19.640 --> 1:30:22.320 the car chase and the murder obviously the woods. Can 1:30:22.360 --> 1:30:24.320 you tell us about shooting that scene? 1:30:24.439 --> 1:30:27.480 Well, the car chase is a funny one, okay, crazy. 1:30:27.960 --> 1:30:32.320 I being a New Yorker, I do have my driver's license, 1:30:33.000 --> 1:30:35.840 and I did drive while I was in college because 1:30:35.840 --> 1:30:38.519 it was outside of New York. But then, you know, 1:30:38.560 --> 1:30:40.800 the day I graduated, I came back to New York 1:30:40.880 --> 1:30:46.080 and didn't drive again. And like five years later I 1:30:46.120 --> 1:30:48.080 was like, oh I was I went to LA. My 1:30:48.160 --> 1:30:50.160 friend was going to lend me her stick shift. I 1:30:50.200 --> 1:30:52.439 was like, no problem, I drove a stick shift in college. 1:30:52.479 --> 1:30:55.439 All this is good. I'm on like some LA highway, 1:30:55.560 --> 1:30:59.160 like jerking and like completely like it was not like 1:30:59.240 --> 1:31:04.120 riding a bicycle. I was like, this feels very unsafe. 1:31:04.520 --> 1:31:06.519 I don't think I'm gonna do this anymore. And I 1:31:06.560 --> 1:31:08.160 pulled off to the side of the road and she 1:31:08.160 --> 1:31:11.960 had to like come rescue me. Point being that was 1:31:12.000 --> 1:31:15.040 sort of the last time I had driven before this episode, 1:31:15.080 --> 1:31:17.920 and like, so I get on set and I'm like, so, 1:31:17.960 --> 1:31:21.599 there's driving. I do have my driver's license. I'm not 1:31:21.680 --> 1:31:24.000 sure if I should have my driver's license. 1:31:24.840 --> 1:31:25.240 Uh. 1:31:25.280 --> 1:31:28.759 And they were very cool about it, and they got 1:31:28.840 --> 1:31:33.040 the not the props person, the stunt person. They got 1:31:33.040 --> 1:31:35.880 the stunt person to sit in the car with me 1:31:36.080 --> 1:31:40.080 and get me like back up to snuff so that 1:31:40.200 --> 1:31:43.160 I could conceivably drive a car with a bunch of 1:31:43.200 --> 1:31:45.880 people in it down right a windy road. 1:31:46.200 --> 1:31:49.959 And it was a car. 1:31:49.880 --> 1:31:54.240 It was a minivan. Yeah, And so I have a 1:31:54.280 --> 1:31:57.519 feeling everybody in that car with me was a little 1:31:57.560 --> 1:31:59.519 nervous while I was doing all that. 1:31:59.600 --> 1:32:02.479 That to the performance, I feel like, because when you're 1:32:02.520 --> 1:32:05.160 being tailed, you're very nervous, you're very stressed. 1:32:05.200 --> 1:32:05.559 Ie. 1:32:05.600 --> 1:32:07.080 It was like a little bit of that and a 1:32:07.080 --> 1:32:08.639 little bit a little bit of acting and a little 1:32:08.640 --> 1:32:09.360 bit of real. 1:32:09.360 --> 1:32:11.880 Right, And if there's a jerky camera that's probably the 1:32:11.920 --> 1:32:15.040 tension of the cameraman knowing that the person behind the 1:32:15.040 --> 1:32:17.840 wheel hasn't been behind the wheel in ten years. But 1:32:18.360 --> 1:32:19.320 we all survived. 1:32:19.640 --> 1:32:20.120 Yeah yeah. 1:32:20.600 --> 1:32:23.599 Oh and then the death right that was fun. I haven't, 1:32:23.720 --> 1:32:26.360 I haven't. I wanted my eyes to be open. I 1:32:26.439 --> 1:32:31.799 requested that my eyes be open because I thought that's 1:32:31.840 --> 1:32:34.720 sort of probably more likely how people die, right like 1:32:34.880 --> 1:32:36.760 when they're when they die violently. 1:32:36.360 --> 1:32:37.280 Their eyes still open. 1:32:38.560 --> 1:32:40.400 So for me that was just a little like in 1:32:40.840 --> 1:32:43.280 like how still can I be? You know? 1:32:44.400 --> 1:32:44.720 It was. 1:32:44.840 --> 1:32:46.960 It was cool just looking up at the sky being 1:32:47.000 --> 1:32:50.360 a corpse for a little while. And then it was 1:32:50.439 --> 1:32:54.160 my lasting on set for that episode. I was I 1:32:54.280 --> 1:32:58.360 was such a like not a much less important character 1:32:58.439 --> 1:33:01.680 for that episode because I'm like how that it was 1:33:01.760 --> 1:33:05.839 this completely uneventful moment Like I was used to, oh, 1:33:05.880 --> 1:33:09.320 all right, that's a wrap on, Abbey. Yeah, everybody stopping 1:33:09.400 --> 1:33:11.960 and clapping and then you say thanks, thanks and go away. 1:33:12.120 --> 1:33:14.320 But this was just like okay, moving on, and I 1:33:14.400 --> 1:33:19.120 was like, oh, okay, I guess three weeks of work 1:33:19.200 --> 1:33:20.599 that's over now, Okay. 1:33:21.760 --> 1:33:22.080 It was. 1:33:22.200 --> 1:33:25.800 It was funny after the like center of attention from 1:33:26.080 --> 1:33:29.639 Manhattan transfer to be like you know this like okay, 1:33:29.720 --> 1:33:33.799 she's wrapped. Get her out of here for the next episode. Yeah, 1:33:33.800 --> 1:33:34.320 it was fun. 1:33:34.439 --> 1:33:40.040 Wow was speaking of the masturbader. She had some like 1:33:40.760 --> 1:33:43.320 fun highlights. Did you come in with those highlights or 1:33:43.360 --> 1:33:44.519 did they give you those hs? 1:33:44.720 --> 1:33:46.800 They totally gave them to me. Yeah, it was really 1:33:46.840 --> 1:33:50.280 funny they did. They gave me tons of my makeup too, 1:33:50.320 --> 1:33:52.160 and all I was like, you know, I don't really 1:33:52.320 --> 1:33:54.439 wear a lot of makeup, so it was really funny 1:33:54.439 --> 1:33:56.479 to see them be like, now, this girl's gonna be 1:33:56.479 --> 1:34:00.800 all like gothy, kind of punky, kind of way uh, 1:34:00.960 --> 1:34:04.760 way better than the horrific wig I had to wear 1:34:04.880 --> 1:34:07.679 at the beginning of Manhattan Transfer. I'll tell you that much. 1:34:07.960 --> 1:34:12.400 Oh yes, that long like uh yes, sexy galwig. 1:34:12.400 --> 1:34:14.439 If if yeh. But it was like it had never 1:34:14.479 --> 1:34:18.320 been brushed. It was all matted. It was more like 1:34:18.360 --> 1:34:21.280 a bunch of dead cats on my head than anything else. 1:34:21.680 --> 1:34:24.680 And even even the hair department was like, girl, we 1:34:24.760 --> 1:34:27.679 cannot do anything with this. It's just gonna sit there 1:34:28.520 --> 1:34:30.479 and then it's gonna be off and that's it. I 1:34:30.479 --> 1:34:34.080 think it was like a prop from the props department, 1:34:34.240 --> 1:34:38.720 not like something from the hair and nada. So it 1:34:38.800 --> 1:34:40.600 was just like, oh, okay. 1:34:40.360 --> 1:34:42.639 Well, I wonder if it was on purpose, Like maybe 1:34:42.720 --> 1:34:45.040 the nun didn't know about good wigs. 1:34:45.040 --> 1:34:48.240 Right, But hadn't she been undercover for like, yes, a 1:34:48.320 --> 1:34:51.200 really long time. You think you think that like she 1:34:51.240 --> 1:34:55.559 would have some cool like Bob, like you know what 1:34:55.720 --> 1:34:58.880 Uma Thurman has in pulp fiction or something. 1:34:58.600 --> 1:35:03.880 Like that, Natalie Portman style, like yeah, undercover Bob. 1:35:04.240 --> 1:35:07.559 Yeah, instead of it's like, I do have another hair 1:35:07.600 --> 1:35:10.799 and makeup question, But this is for your Tunnel character 1:35:10.880 --> 1:35:17.160 Dot from Control. What was the soot like eyeshadow? 1:35:18.280 --> 1:35:22.240 Okay, but you know what's what's super funny about that one? Again? 1:35:22.320 --> 1:35:23.240 This is the insider. 1:35:23.960 --> 1:35:24.240 Uh. 1:35:24.400 --> 1:35:29.640 I had just whitened my teeth like three weeks previous 1:35:29.760 --> 1:35:33.240 or something like before the before the character was even 1:35:33.320 --> 1:35:37.599 you know, before the audition. So I get to set 1:35:37.760 --> 1:35:40.160 and they put all this crap all over me, but 1:35:40.240 --> 1:35:44.360 they never like did anything to my teeth. So like 1:35:44.479 --> 1:35:47.840 if you watch that seat again, like everytime I opened 1:35:47.880 --> 1:35:51.120 my mouth, I have these like perfectly bright white, like 1:35:51.200 --> 1:35:54.519 knon teeth sticking out of this like dirty grubby face. 1:35:57.600 --> 1:36:00.559 Maybe Dot was dedicated to dental hygiene and nothing else. 1:36:00.800 --> 1:36:03.760 Yeah, there we go. I guess she wasn't a meth head. 1:36:04.240 --> 1:36:06.000 Yeah, she was figuring out a way to brush down 1:36:06.000 --> 1:36:09.000 in the tunnels. Right Where did you shoot the tunnels too, 1:36:09.080 --> 1:36:11.240 because those looked scary and dark? Was it just in 1:36:11.280 --> 1:36:12.559 the way. 1:36:12.640 --> 1:36:16.120 It was an abandoned subway track a legit. I think 1:36:16.120 --> 1:36:19.479 it was an L train abandoned L train subway track somewhere. 1:36:20.960 --> 1:36:23.120 Yeah, it was cool. 1:36:22.560 --> 1:36:26.439 That's like one of my favorite parts of shooting is 1:36:27.120 --> 1:36:31.200 when you're on location in really weird places like so 1:36:31.320 --> 1:36:34.840 that was super cool. And then you know, a lot 1:36:34.880 --> 1:36:38.280 of the shooting of Orange took place in an abandoned 1:36:38.360 --> 1:36:43.439 children's mental institution. Yeah, so there were ghost ghosts. I 1:36:43.439 --> 1:36:47.120 mean I think so, but I mean in a more 1:36:47.160 --> 1:36:49.800 tangible way too, because like when we first got on set, 1:36:49.920 --> 1:36:53.040 like they hadn't completely cleared the place out, like when 1:36:53.080 --> 1:36:55.360 it stopped. So you would go into this room and 1:36:55.360 --> 1:36:57.880 there were like still stickers on the walls, and there 1:36:57.920 --> 1:37:00.479 was like a sleeping bag in the corner and like 1:37:01.320 --> 1:37:05.280 and then there was this Yeah, we were held for 1:37:05.560 --> 1:37:07.439 like a scene that was going to be in the yards, 1:37:07.479 --> 1:37:09.400 and like we were in some shock and it was 1:37:09.439 --> 1:37:13.160 where like all the files were like the case files 1:37:13.200 --> 1:37:15.720 for the kids or something. It was just boxes and 1:37:15.800 --> 1:37:19.800 boxes of these kids case files just gathering dust. And 1:37:19.840 --> 1:37:23.240 I was just like I could have easily Like it's 1:37:23.479 --> 1:37:26.679 I could have wandered off and just explored the whole 1:37:27.160 --> 1:37:27.960 the whole location. 1:37:28.520 --> 1:37:30.400 So I see you worked on this sound for something 1:37:30.479 --> 1:37:31.719 called Monster Factory. 1:37:31.920 --> 1:37:35.639 Yes, Monster Factory, that's right. It was just fascinating. It's 1:37:36.400 --> 1:37:40.720 it's this guy who trains people to become pro wrestlers. 1:37:40.880 --> 1:37:44.400 Hell yeah, so he gives them like he gives them, yes, 1:37:44.600 --> 1:37:47.000 all the moves and all the physical stuff, like how 1:37:47.040 --> 1:37:49.640 to do all of the you know, physical stuff, but 1:37:49.760 --> 1:37:52.479 also like how to create a character, how to have 1:37:52.520 --> 1:37:55.880 a personal narrative that drives, you know, people to want 1:37:55.880 --> 1:37:58.640 to root for you or against you. Like he's it's 1:37:58.800 --> 1:38:02.920 it's like in his head is some giant encyclopedia of 1:38:03.080 --> 1:38:06.680 like the history of pro wrestling and like how to 1:38:06.880 --> 1:38:10.560 create the magic. And I don't watch pro wrestling. I 1:38:10.880 --> 1:38:15.080 never have, but like you root for all of these kids, 1:38:15.120 --> 1:38:19.200 like they're just like one wonderful person after another trying 1:38:19.240 --> 1:38:22.040 to like pursue their dreams of being a pro wrestler. 1:38:22.160 --> 1:38:24.320 It's just it's a really freaking good show. 1:38:24.800 --> 1:38:28.479 But you got to get Apple plus to a guy. 1:38:28.680 --> 1:38:30.200 It's a real guy in New Jersey. 1:38:30.920 --> 1:38:32.200 Oh, it's a reality show. 1:38:32.280 --> 1:38:36.800 It's yeah, yeah, it's a DOCUI docuseries. That sounds much 1:38:36.800 --> 1:38:39.280 more serious. Sorry, we don't mean reality show like the 1:38:39.840 --> 1:38:42.839 stuff we watch. We mean that, yeah, more serious. 1:38:43.160 --> 1:38:45.920 Is there a difference in doing sound for like a 1:38:45.960 --> 1:38:49.360 nonscripted and scripted or like, did you do animated too 1:38:49.560 --> 1:38:54.200 or not? What's how? What's how are they all different? Well? 1:38:54.560 --> 1:38:57.240 Uh, documentary is the most straightforward because you just want 1:38:57.240 --> 1:39:00.600 to sort of fill in the film, fill in the 1:39:01.000 --> 1:39:03.960 world a little bit and get everything covered. But you know, 1:39:04.000 --> 1:39:06.040 there's a lot of talking heads and like after you 1:39:06.160 --> 1:39:08.040 put in a room tone, like what else is there. 1:39:08.080 --> 1:39:12.559 I don't do dialogue editing, which is like the sound 1:39:12.600 --> 1:39:15.680 that's been recorded on set, somebody goes in and they 1:39:15.720 --> 1:39:17.840 clean it up and make it sound really good. I 1:39:17.920 --> 1:39:25.960 do adding all the extra stuff, so I always use yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, 1:39:25.960 --> 1:39:29.479 wow yeah, And so I do foley and effects and 1:39:29.760 --> 1:39:34.280 backgrounds basically. So the documentary is very straightforward, pretty easy. 1:39:34.320 --> 1:39:39.599 When well, I don't, I edit the folly and now 1:39:39.800 --> 1:39:42.120 a lot of the fully that I do I generate 1:39:42.160 --> 1:39:44.840 off of my keyboard. Like we have this library, Like 1:39:44.920 --> 1:39:48.479 I make all of my footsteps by doing this on 1:39:48.479 --> 1:39:54.320 my keyboard, and it generates sounds of somebody actually walking. 1:39:54.560 --> 1:39:56.519 But then it's like in sync to the person on 1:39:56.600 --> 1:39:59.400 screen and it's like boom, it's done. See this is 1:39:59.400 --> 1:40:02.519 why I think so is so cool. Like I do 1:40:02.720 --> 1:40:06.960 crazy stuff with my keyboard, Like I can transform my 1:40:07.120 --> 1:40:09.720 voice into like a howling dog if I need a 1:40:09.760 --> 1:40:14.439 howling dog or whatever. Anyway, I won't get into it 1:40:14.479 --> 1:40:16.040 because not everyone is that interested. 1:40:16.160 --> 1:40:19.360 I follow fully artists on Instagram. Oh yeah, well yeah, 1:40:19.479 --> 1:40:22.080 I watched them, like do make this? I like that. 1:40:22.479 --> 1:40:23.080 It's amazing. 1:40:23.160 --> 1:40:23.320 Yeah. 1:40:23.360 --> 1:40:25.559 I mean we used to record fully we had a 1:40:25.560 --> 1:40:28.800 fully pit and everything, but then we've accumulated all these 1:40:28.840 --> 1:40:31.920 sounds over the years, so I can just get them 1:40:31.920 --> 1:40:34.599 from my sound library. And then the question was like, well, 1:40:34.720 --> 1:40:37.559 how do I get it to like fall in sync 1:40:37.800 --> 1:40:41.559 into picture in a timely manner if it's like just 1:40:41.600 --> 1:40:44.160 in a sound library, and so, like we trigger the 1:40:44.240 --> 1:40:47.519 sounds and it's the same thing that people do, you 1:40:47.560 --> 1:40:50.760 know in the back in the back room during a play, right, 1:40:50.840 --> 1:40:53.360 you trigger all these sound effects as they go in 1:40:53.400 --> 1:40:56.920 real time. So now that's how I do like seventy 1:40:56.960 --> 1:41:01.280 percent of my fully for everything, and anyway, feature films 1:41:01.400 --> 1:41:05.160 are a little more creative and full right and extensive, 1:41:05.880 --> 1:41:09.040 and then animated film you have to sort of do everything, 1:41:09.200 --> 1:41:13.280 So animated is definitely the hardest, is the final answer 1:41:13.360 --> 1:41:14.840 to animations. 1:41:14.920 --> 1:41:18.679 The hardest. Feature film is the most creative, and the 1:41:18.760 --> 1:41:21.360 doc is just quite straightforward. 1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:26.120 So besides Monster Factory, besides Monster Factory coming out, do 1:41:26.160 --> 1:41:28.400 you have any other like projects in the works, anything 1:41:28.439 --> 1:41:30.559 else you want to our listeners should look out for. 1:41:31.560 --> 1:41:34.360 I just started working, you know, mostly I do the 1:41:34.400 --> 1:41:36.280 sound editing, and then every now and then I'm lucky 1:41:36.320 --> 1:41:39.040 and I do the acting. So the last acting gig 1:41:39.080 --> 1:41:41.680 I did with Chicago meta year ago. So if they 1:41:41.680 --> 1:41:44.320 want to see me be hysterical and insist that I'm 1:41:44.360 --> 1:41:49.840 not crazy in another show, Yeah, that's right, Another dick Wolf. 1:41:50.000 --> 1:41:52.479 When you're in the dick Wolf universe, that's always great. 1:41:52.479 --> 1:41:54.400 They'll bring you back to all the different shows. I'm 1:41:54.439 --> 1:41:57.400 sure that Order regular is back. I mean there's plenty 1:41:57.400 --> 1:41:57.919 of places. 1:41:58.000 --> 1:42:00.519 Yeah, I've never done a regular Law and Orders bring 1:42:00.560 --> 1:42:01.120 it on, man. 1:42:01.240 --> 1:42:02.160 Yeah. 1:42:02.200 --> 1:42:04.519 And then sound wise, I just started work on a 1:42:04.600 --> 1:42:07.240 Disney series that I probably am not allowed to like 1:42:07.560 --> 1:42:10.800 be too specific about uh, but I can. I guess 1:42:10.800 --> 1:42:13.400 I can say. It's about a kid's choir. It's another 1:42:13.520 --> 1:42:16.519 docu series, and it's like just like, oh my god, 1:42:16.840 --> 1:42:20.600 I love these kids, and it's it's very again like 1:42:20.640 --> 1:42:23.320 this just group of people you're totally rooting for. Oh 1:42:23.960 --> 1:42:26.960 so that's a lovely thing too. Yeah, look out for eventually. 1:42:27.040 --> 1:42:29.519 Well, guys, thank you for you. 1:42:33.680 --> 1:42:37.639 Oh my gosh, she's great. I love somebody that has 1:42:37.680 --> 1:42:40.160 two full careers. It's amazing good work. 1:42:40.720 --> 1:42:43.719 Yeah, and it's just cool to be to hear someone 1:42:43.760 --> 1:42:48.840 that the room tone is for them. Yeah, yeah, I do. 1:42:49.160 --> 1:42:51.559 I don't even understand what that is like really, I mean, 1:42:51.600 --> 1:42:53.800 I know, like, okay, we're being quiet for room tone, 1:42:53.800 --> 1:42:55.120 but I don't really get what they do with it. 1:42:55.680 --> 1:42:59.519 Well, she was explained like when they're like when you 1:42:59.600 --> 1:43:02.840 need it to just be quiet, but you're filming like 1:43:03.880 --> 1:43:07.200 you're entering the room before dialogue or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:43:07.240 --> 1:43:11.040 we gotta do room town. Yeah, and the smashing. I 1:43:11.080 --> 1:43:15.040 don't know. I love folly artists so much, but I 1:43:15.200 --> 1:43:17.599 was you know, I told you about Quentin Tarantino had 1:43:17.640 --> 1:43:22.360 this editor who passed away. Sally and so I saw 1:43:22.439 --> 1:43:25.519 that during editing, like there was a whole montage of 1:43:25.560 --> 1:43:27.639 all the actors from all those movies, like during work 1:43:27.720 --> 1:43:31.200 being like Hey, Sally, what's up Sally? And I just 1:43:31.280 --> 1:43:33.960 hung out with someone that edits movies and like they 1:43:34.000 --> 1:43:38.160 works for Happy Madison, and they said like people would 1:43:38.200 --> 1:43:41.760 do that for them, like they would be like hi, 1:43:42.600 --> 1:43:46.200 because they know who who was editing the movies. And 1:43:46.280 --> 1:43:50.519 so she said that she keeps them like people saying 1:43:50.640 --> 1:43:52.320 hi to them, And so now I want to it's 1:43:52.360 --> 1:43:54.479 like a little real of it. That's cute. Yeah, So 1:43:54.600 --> 1:43:57.120 now I like it's cool, like I want to think 1:43:57.160 --> 1:44:01.599 about who's editing and make a little cute moments because I. 1:44:01.520 --> 1:44:04.439 Do remember people are sitting alone in a dark avid 1:44:04.560 --> 1:44:07.840 for like hours and days and months and you're like Hi, 1:44:07.920 --> 1:44:08.240 it's me. 1:44:08.600 --> 1:44:11.360 Just want to say hi. Because I do remember Michelle 1:44:11.360 --> 1:44:13.320 at one point being like I like this, take like 1:44:13.439 --> 1:44:16.360 into her mic or like I pick this, ye, but 1:44:16.680 --> 1:44:20.080 I like the idea of cute little messages. Yeah, yeah, 1:44:20.120 --> 1:44:24.200 for sure. So cute. And and Abigail, forever, we will 1:44:24.200 --> 1:44:26.800 be calling all of our oranges the new black people Pokemon. 1:44:27.400 --> 1:44:30.479 We will catch them all. And I'm obsessed with that, 1:44:30.800 --> 1:44:32.600 I'm running with it, I'm picking it out it and 1:44:32.600 --> 1:44:33.440 I'm running. 1:44:33.840 --> 1:44:36.519 Yes, totally. So what have we learned from this episode? 1:44:36.560 --> 1:44:39.840 I would say that, uh, people at the highest levels 1:44:39.840 --> 1:44:44.560 of power, judges, politicians are all doing fucked up shit. Basically, 1:44:45.000 --> 1:44:47.280 they're all at parties where a nun is bartending in 1:44:47.320 --> 1:44:47.920 a bad wig. 1:44:48.400 --> 1:44:51.439 I don't know, it's so small. The nuns are good, 1:44:51.720 --> 1:44:54.719 like they do good. They're on the boots on the ground, 1:44:54.720 --> 1:44:56.920 and the nuns are boots on the ground, and then 1:44:57.200 --> 1:44:59.280 all these fucking losers. I mean, I always say this, 1:44:59.320 --> 1:45:02.559 I think people that are so into getting power and 1:45:02.640 --> 1:45:05.760 money or pedophiles or abusers or rapists. 1:45:06.040 --> 1:45:08.600 Yeah, because it's not like nuns have like a hierarchy 1:45:08.640 --> 1:45:09.360 in the same way. 1:45:09.479 --> 1:45:10.599 Like I mean, I. 1:45:10.600 --> 1:45:12.640 Probably don't know because I don't like I know that 1:45:12.640 --> 1:45:15.400 there's like a mother superior or whatever from sound of 1:45:15.439 --> 1:45:18.600 Music is my literal reference point. But like I know 1:45:18.640 --> 1:45:20.720 that there's probably a head nun or whatever. But it's 1:45:20.720 --> 1:45:22.240 not like they're trying to move their way up from 1:45:22.280 --> 1:45:24.880 like a bishop to cardinal to fucking pope or whatever. 1:45:25.000 --> 1:45:27.559 You know, Like there's not like a power struggle. Nuns 1:45:27.560 --> 1:45:30.120 are truly just like we want to help people, unless 1:45:30.120 --> 1:45:31.880 if you know something different, please let me know. If 1:45:32.200 --> 1:45:34.599 it turns out nuns have like turned the other cheek 1:45:34.600 --> 1:45:36.640 about molestation and stuff or have been part of it, 1:45:36.720 --> 1:45:37.439 please let us know. 1:45:37.560 --> 1:45:38.400 But as far as. 1:45:38.280 --> 1:45:42.519 I know, like, it feels like it's definite nuns like 1:45:43.360 --> 1:45:46.600 hit you with the roller. Yes, but that was like 1:45:47.120 --> 1:45:50.080 that was the way my mom went to Catholic school 1:45:50.120 --> 1:45:55.080 and it was on the desk. Okay, well, let's this 1:45:55.160 --> 1:45:57.880 is obviously an amazing more we've learned more. 1:45:58.160 --> 1:45:59.800 Well, this is an amazing two parter. 1:46:00.000 --> 1:46:01.800 I feel like there's more at the end of the 1:46:01.840 --> 1:46:02.840 next episode, you know. 1:46:03.240 --> 1:46:05.639 And we talked up top a lot about law roach 1:46:05.800 --> 1:46:08.679 for a wildly so maybe we just move it along. 1:46:09.320 --> 1:46:12.920 We learned nothing. No, it's a two part episode. Obviously, 1:46:13.040 --> 1:46:15.719 come back next week because we will. 1:46:16.160 --> 1:46:17.840 We're going to get the second half and we have 1:46:17.880 --> 1:46:21.880 an awesome guest next week too, and then let's get out. 1:46:21.720 --> 1:46:24.479 Of this week sadder crime like this is superhero nuns 1:46:24.520 --> 1:46:29.200 and then next week is not great dead nuns, dead nuts, 1:46:29.320 --> 1:46:32.479 so sad. But for this week's what would Sister Peg Do? 1:46:33.000 --> 1:46:35.160 Which is our weekly segment where we point you guys 1:46:35.200 --> 1:46:42.040 to organization, blog, podcast, something, Instagram account, something that helps 1:46:42.080 --> 1:46:43.599 flesh out a little bit more about what we talked 1:46:43.640 --> 1:46:46.560 about today. We wanted to just point you to the 1:46:46.680 --> 1:46:49.960 organization that LeadSA talked directly about in the episode, Talitha kOhm, 1:46:50.800 --> 1:46:53.280 like she mentioned, Talitha Kum is an umbrella network of 1:46:53.320 --> 1:46:57.240 sister led networks striving to end human trafficking. And they 1:46:57.280 --> 1:47:00.000 are active on five continents and coordinate the anti traffic 1:47:00.080 --> 1:47:04.280 efforts of fifty intercongregational networks. And for more information you 1:47:04.280 --> 1:47:08.080 can go to Talitha Koom dot info and that's t 1:47:08.120 --> 1:47:11.960 A l I t h a kum dot info. And 1:47:12.000 --> 1:47:14.200 I love that they have a little website. I wonder 1:47:14.240 --> 1:47:19.280 which none is like the the nerdy tech nun anyway, that's. 1:47:19.080 --> 1:47:23.920 That they're like Pokemon too. Okay, next week's episode, like 1:47:23.960 --> 1:47:28.720 we've been hinting at, is Unholiest Alliance, which is season seventeen, 1:47:28.800 --> 1:47:31.640 episode eighteen. Just the next one. And I'm sure some 1:47:31.720 --> 1:47:35.200 of you just watch watch Growth because it's hard not to. 1:47:35.680 --> 1:47:37.920 It is wild sometimes when we do research and then 1:47:37.920 --> 1:47:39.639 I'll be like I'm just watching this one little part 1:47:39.640 --> 1:47:42.520 and then I'm like I'm watching it at all, Baby, 1:47:43.800 --> 1:47:46.320 next week. We'll see you then. Thank you much for listening, 1:47:46.360 --> 1:48:00.160 give us a rate review or whatever. Love you guys. 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