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Speaker 1: Done Done, Hello and welcome to That's Messed Up nsview Podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Trigger and we talk
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Speaker 2: So on our shared Google doc, it says anonymous Hyena.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, who the fuck is anonymous Hyaena? Mine's has
Speaker 1: anonymous Dumbo Octopus? What the fuck?
Speaker 2: Keithy? Who is that? Who's in our agenda? That's just like,
Speaker 2: that's like me like, but.
Speaker 1: It says Casey my view, Casey an anonymous Dumbo Octopus.
Speaker 1: I think one of you is octopus and one of
Speaker 1: you is Hyena. Oh, Lisa, you're the anonymous Dumbo Octopus. Wow,
Speaker 1: you've changed. You've changed a lot, Lisa. That's so weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it doesn't want to tell me you. I
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 1: But Casey's the owner, so we're allowed to see him,
Speaker 1: but they don't. They don't want to portray your privacy
Speaker 1: as an anonymous Dumbo octopus hyena.
Speaker 2: That's cute? Is that new merch?
Speaker 1: Speaking of, I do think I'm going to take Rosie
Speaker 1: to Lion King in New York.
Speaker 2: Great, this is thrilling. What happens?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm excited. I was telling her about it today.
Speaker 1: I was like, everybody dresses up in a costume and
Speaker 1: there's dancing and singing. She goes, can I wear a costume?
Speaker 1: I was like, no, but maybe I'll buy you a
Speaker 1: souvenir so we'll say. Way, did you have to give
Speaker 1: her a speech on like you can't talk and all that?
Speaker 1: Or well, I said, you can sit on my lap
Speaker 1: and I'll get to the talking part a little bit
Speaker 1: closer because I don't want that to turn her off
Speaker 1: from going. And when we've gone to movies together, she's quiet.
Speaker 1: She'll say like a couple things to me, but like
Speaker 1: she'll be pretty quiet.
Speaker 2: And she's a Bob Baker Marionette regular. Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2: That's true too.
Speaker 1: So she's she's had her fair share of live performances.
Speaker 2: Wow, so she's doing Lion King. I'll be in New
Speaker 2: York too. We'll see what happens. You'll kind of bop
Speaker 2: into lion king with us. No, but I would definitely do.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think what like I would want to
Speaker 2: do with Rosie just run around Central Park, I know.
Speaker 2: I think that's like gonna happen.
Speaker 1: One day, we were talking about maybe and maybe going
Speaker 1: to a gallery because we're going with our art friend.
Speaker 1: So that sounds all like stuff you would be down
Speaker 1: for one hundred percent. Wait, I have a new thing
Speaker 1: in my life. So I thought Cashi Cereal sucks, you know,
Speaker 1: uh huh. But I bought Cashy Maple Waffle Crisp Delicious.
Speaker 2: Love it. It's delicious. It tastes like the cinnamon French
Speaker 2: toast that used to do you remember the that look
Speaker 2: like it tastes just like that Kashi is bringing it.
Speaker 2: I thought Kashi is a loser like caf Well.
Speaker 1: I think when Kashi started, they were just like Fiber.
Speaker 1: It was just like Fiber food. And now I think
Speaker 1: Kashi's like, let's get into the flavor game, you know,
Speaker 1: and they're like, let's we got to diversify. Not enough
Speaker 1: hippies are buying our no offense if you eat like
Speaker 1: regular Kashi. But I feel like it's not exactly the
Speaker 1: most delicious thing.
Speaker 2: It's like pellets. It actually looks like gerbil poops.
Speaker 1: Like I remember, I know used to have a stand
Speaker 1: up joke about Kashi and I totally forgot about it.
Speaker 2: But but I'm looking at the box. Sorry, this is
Speaker 2: like riveting information. I know for all of our podcasts,
Speaker 2: this is what we talk about. I'm just looking at
Speaker 2: the box. But yesterday I did watch on Hulu the
Speaker 2: New I D Special on Jared from Subway, and we
Speaker 2: covered him on an episode. We had a great writer
Speaker 2: on that episode and we got through the horrors of it.
Speaker 2: But what's horrible about this one is they play the vote,
Speaker 2: they play the recording ass so it's like weird to hear.
Speaker 1: It's one thing to hear, oh yeah, this woman went
Speaker 1: undercover and recorded him, and it's another to hear the recordings, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god.
Speaker 2: And it fucked up her whole family, like her kids,
Speaker 2: like it fucked up her whole life going undercover, because
Speaker 2: she couldn't share with her children why she was so busy,
Speaker 2: but like she was committed to bringing him down. But
Speaker 2: when she brought the tapes to the FBI, they're like,
Speaker 2: you actually committed a crime because you have to tell someone,
Speaker 2: and they're like, so we can arrest you. So now
Speaker 2: you have to be an informant. And so she had
Speaker 2: to do drops in the middle of the night and
Speaker 2: do all of this stuff like all the time. And
Speaker 2: she's like, I have all this evidence for you, just
Speaker 2: get him, and they're like it's not enough yet, and
Speaker 2: so like who, you know, the FBI really needs a
Speaker 2: lot good. But then her daughter went into her room
Speaker 2: and read through the journals, and that fucked her up
Speaker 2: and the daughter because all she told her kids was
Speaker 2: I'm chasing a bad man. I'm helping find a bad man.
Speaker 2: So then the kids were constantly anxious that someone's gonna
Speaker 2: get them. Any stranger was a bad man. And so
Speaker 2: like the daughter just became anxious, depressed at all these issues,
Speaker 2: like doesn't really talk to the mom really. And then
Speaker 2: the son moved to Taiwan and hasn't been to the
Speaker 2: States in five years, and the and he goes, you know,
Speaker 2: what my mom did was selfless because she lost everything
Speaker 2: in the process, so like she brought down this guy
Speaker 2: and did you know, I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: months or years. I can't really put it together of
Speaker 2: how much she recorded him, but she pretended to be
Speaker 2: a pedophile into him and like they were gonna pedophile together.
Speaker 2: So like she so so that's like where she got
Speaker 2: him to because he had a crush on her. She
Speaker 2: was like a local reporter. She was a babe. And
Speaker 2: so then once she they were talking all the time,
Speaker 2: they were both interested in each other, Well she was
Speaker 2: not for real, and then she just got to open
Speaker 2: up and it was sick. Hearing him say those things
Speaker 2: was really fucking sick. Got it, and then we knew,
Speaker 2: you know, he had that partner that race, like the fundraiser.
Speaker 2: We talk about his two step daughters who he put
Speaker 2: cameras in their room and then they found out that
Speaker 2: the mom there was all this footage, the mom did
Speaker 2: this all like their own mother was oh my god,
Speaker 2: the leader helping him do it. It wasn't like she
Speaker 2: was a backseat abused like she was like a pedophile too.
Speaker 2: It was funny.
Speaker 1: You know who you have to walk watch out for.
Speaker 1: Drag queens. That's who it is. It's drag queens. I'm
Speaker 1: sure all of them were drag queens. Jared from Subway,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what's wild. The whole doctor was like, ah,
Speaker 2: we were shocked. We were shocked, he was respected, And
Speaker 2: it's like, how many more times do you have to
Speaker 2: be shocked when it's a pastor quote unquote good guy, Like,
Speaker 2: how many more good guys have to do it? It's
Speaker 2: so weird and annoying.
Speaker 1: It's also kind of wild that like this didn't bring
Speaker 1: Subway down, Like Subways just still kicking it the biggest
Speaker 1: franchise business in the world.
Speaker 2: I think, like, just well, I'm sure they dipped for
Speaker 2: a bit, but like they you know, when was the
Speaker 2: dollar foot longs? Was that pre your post Jared? I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: Five dollars foot long I believe was like the King
Speaker 1: of the g That was like the peak with Jared.
Speaker 2: That was what I was saying, wasn't it five dollars
Speaker 2: foot long? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Subway historians, please write to us and tell us.
Speaker 2: But his was not because he wasn't eating footlongs. Oh,
Speaker 2: he was eating six inches I think so for like
Speaker 2: diet purposes. He was eating a turkey sub for lunch
Speaker 2: and a veggie delight for dinner. Oh.
Speaker 1: I mean when I was in college, I was so broken.
Speaker 1: We would get a foot long we would do half
Speaker 1: for lunch half for dinner, and that was like my
Speaker 1: food for the day for some times of college.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the thing is I was craving it.
Speaker 2: As I was watching it. I was like, is it
Speaker 2: weird if I get subway now? Oh no, oh no,
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you. I understand how they survived. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know want it, but a few times a
Speaker 2: year I'm like, you know what, I just really need
Speaker 2: a tuna sandwich. I know it's not real tuna.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, bubb and Grandma's there, tuna sandwich is great.
Speaker 2: Okay, if I hear about Bubb and Grandma's one more time, just.
Speaker 1: Saying I know you wanted to go there, and that's
Speaker 1: one of the thing I had, and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: No, I want to go there. I tried going once
Speaker 2: and they were done. They were sold out of bread
Speaker 2: or something. I don't know, like at something happened where
Speaker 2: I waited in line forever and then they were like,
Speaker 2: no sandwiches, and I was like, okay, you see there's
Speaker 2: a line, so I will try again. But it looks
Speaker 2: cool in there. I would like to try a hip
Speaker 2: sick yeah spot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The tables. It's like pretty marble table like it's nice. Anyway,
Speaker 1: what else is going on? I haven't talked to you
Speaker 1: in a couple of days. Have you been well? You
Speaker 1: saw Cocaine Bear. I did see Cocaine Bear, and you
Speaker 1: love it. My review is that I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I had a good time. It is like gross, like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like gross like sort of blood
Speaker 1: splatter violence, but it's all kind of also can't be
Speaker 1: in jokey, so I just closed my eyes a bunch
Speaker 1: of times and Jared would just tell me when it
Speaker 1: was okay to look and but the but the rest
Speaker 1: of it was like funny and I had a good time.
Speaker 1: The actors are all really funny, like everybody's camping it up,
Speaker 1: maybe except for like Carrie Russell, who's kind of playing
Speaker 1: like action like the main star. But you know, so
Speaker 1: star said it, Oh my gosh, Jesse Tyler Ferguson, Margot Martindale,
Speaker 1: Carrie Russell, Matthew Reese. So all three carry Russell, Matthew Reves,
Speaker 1: and Margot Martindale. That's an Americans reunion, all three of them.
Speaker 1: I thought they're not really all three in a scene together,
Speaker 1: but they're all from the Americans.
Speaker 2: Who else is freaking in it? Well? The bear, the
Speaker 2: bear presented at the Oscars. Yeah, oh, do we talk
Speaker 2: about the Oscars. I thought the fashion was awesome? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: who did you like? Everyone? I thought everyone looked so
Speaker 2: good and unique and different and like, I just really
Speaker 2: liked everyone's looks. Yeah, I don't know what it was like,
Speaker 2: I excuse scroll down, and like, I mean, usually I
Speaker 2: don't care about men's fashion, and that's that stays for
Speaker 2: this year included. But except for Lenny Kravitz in his
Speaker 2: velvet jump soup. But people look red.
Speaker 1: The red like blazer that the guy from Everything Everywhere
Speaker 1: was wearing. I like when guys do something different to
Speaker 1: like stand out from like the black tuxes. You know.
Speaker 2: I liked what he was wearing. Yeah. I just thought
Speaker 2: everyone kind of brought it in a cool way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it was kind of a cool.
Speaker 1: Like it was like it was definitely like the year
Speaker 1: of like people that just like like coming back around
Speaker 1: to get their oscars, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis had never gotten one.
Speaker 2: Well people are I think everyone wanted Angela this year.
Speaker 2: It was it was definitely an upset. Yes, I love
Speaker 2: Jamie Lee Curtis. She's been in the business forever. But
Speaker 2: I think that was definitely one of the upsets.
Speaker 1: Angela bassad did the thing. How could we not have
Speaker 1: given her the thing for doing the thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she dressed her whole family in purple because she
Speaker 2: was gonna win, like they were color coordinated. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: but I haven't seen that movie yet, so I haven't neither. No,
Speaker 2: everything everywhere I haven't seen yet.
Speaker 1: Oh you haven't seen that? Oh yeah, I haven't seen
Speaker 1: Wakanda forever. But I but like the speech that Kei
Speaker 1: Hui Kwan gave was like making me cry. He was
Speaker 1: so excited and he's just like a person that thought
Speaker 1: Hollywood had totally just spit him out, and same, I mean,
Speaker 1: so did Brendan Fraser for that matter.
Speaker 2: And then they just get like brought back into the fold.
Speaker 1: It's like, I kind of like that directors, like you
Speaker 1: were saying Tarantino the other day, and like, clearly the
Speaker 1: Daniels like to bring people back in that are talented
Speaker 1: into the fold of Hollywood well.
Speaker 2: And it was cute. So then I saw that Brendan
Speaker 2: Fraser and the dude from everywhere everything. They were an
Speaker 2: Encino man together. Oh really Yeah, so that was like
Speaker 2: extra fucking cute. But yeah, his credits legit go from
Speaker 2: like nineteen eighty two, then one thing in two or
Speaker 2: seven and then this then everything ever there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and his wife and he was like, you told
Speaker 1: me to never give up and I didn't.
Speaker 2: And I was like just so sweet. I was like tearing.
Speaker 2: I know, it's so hard because I don't think anyone
Speaker 2: should give up on their dreams, and like, you know,
Speaker 2: every life is long and like keep at it. But
Speaker 2: then it's also like we just know people that should
Speaker 2: quit comedy. Yeah, just don't have it. So it's like
Speaker 2: so hard when it's like, you know, just go go
Speaker 2: support your family. Yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: So like you you could also say to yourself, maybe
Speaker 1: I just had my moment.
Speaker 2: It's not like your dreams never came true. They did.
Speaker 1: You were in all these big movies in the nineties,
Speaker 1: but like a sustaining career, and like, I hope he
Speaker 1: keeps working. He was awesome in that movie Brendan Fraser.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that was I thought Colin Farrell was
Speaker 1: gonna win. I haven't seen that either, but I don't
Speaker 1: know the whale is the whale is very controversial.
Speaker 2: Brendan Fraser came out about being sexually like assaulted at
Speaker 2: the Golden Globes and that's why he was blacklisted. He
Speaker 2: was like, right, like a Marissa till Me Ashley Judd
Speaker 2: type moment. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But I just I just meant like, the whale is controversial,
Speaker 1: So I didn't know like if people were gonna be
Speaker 1: like up in arms, you know, like have you been
Speaker 1: have you been seeing stuff about people hating the whale?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think people just don't like fat suits. Yeah,
Speaker 2: people don't like it, but the Oscars love it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the makeup one for the fat suit.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, whatever, I'm sure the
Speaker 1: effects are cool. I haven't seen the whale, but in
Speaker 1: Wakanda they're like giving people tusks like they're like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I couldn't believe that, like
Speaker 1: that one best makeup over over that I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was like that seemed weird, but you're right, the
Speaker 1: Oscars do love fat suits.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They Well, I'm glad that Elvis lost. Fuck that kid.
Speaker 2: He needs a fucking kicking the junk and to sit
Speaker 2: down and work a little harder. He I'm what someone
Speaker 2: wrote like he had a little ego death and that
Speaker 2: is good for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well because and what I was hearing was that
Speaker 1: he was all over Hollywood for weeks, like at every party,
Speaker 1: at every lunch, really shaking the hands and kissing the babies,
Speaker 1: trying to get that Oscar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ridiculous. What are you twenty four? Sit down
Speaker 2: that you're not Jennifer Lawrence. You're not likable. People think
Speaker 2: he's hot, but like, I just don't find him charming
Speaker 2: interesting in any way.
Speaker 1: I've heard of him, seen him work, Yeah, I never.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen any of his stuff, so I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Because someone was telling me, They're like,
Speaker 2: he's incredible, it's the beginning of one. You have to
Speaker 2: see it. And I go, well, if he's incredible, I'll
Speaker 2: catch his next film. I really don't like buy bio
Speaker 2: not biopsies. What are they call biopics? I'm not into them.
Speaker 2: I don't really care.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what my husband started watching Elvis, and he
Speaker 1: said it just really had like the same formula of
Speaker 1: every biopic, which is like, you know, young talent and
Speaker 1: then the manager steals everything and then drugs. It's like
Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's like the same fucking thing. So
Speaker 1: he stopped watching it because he said.
Speaker 2: It was boring. I'm trying to think of one that
Speaker 2: I like, like if there's if I've even seen one,
Speaker 2: like I really I like the movie, like anything about
Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth. I guess the first Oh, yeah, like Kate
Speaker 2: Blanchette and Elizabeth I liked in the nineties. But I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's a biopick. I don't know if
Speaker 2: those are biopicks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think of a biopic that I like.
Speaker 2: What's a good biopic? I don't know.
Speaker 1: The last one I saw was probably the Freddie Mercury one,
Speaker 1: the Bohemian rhaps City, But I can't think of another
Speaker 1: one before that, and.
Speaker 2: Then we have to get started. But also a big
Speaker 2: drama after the Oscars though, was law Roach, celeb stylist,
Speaker 2: image maker Judge on legendary but he him and Zendaya,
Speaker 2: and I always forget if it's Zenda or Zendaya. It's
Speaker 2: I think it's Zendeya. I think you had it right, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's it's honestly like it's like I know it and
Speaker 2: then I don't. It's like Kamala come outa It really
Speaker 2: just puts me in a into a panic where even
Speaker 2: if I know it, like I won't say it, like
Speaker 2: it really stresses me out. But he's been working with
Speaker 2: Zendeia forever, like he's you know, and she's one of
Speaker 2: the best stressed people. Yes, and he was the one
Speaker 2: that did the Seline Dion moment when she came back
Speaker 2: into fashion and half the Way and everything. But he
Speaker 2: made an announcement that he retired and he's over it
Speaker 2: and he does not give a shit about Hall. He's
Speaker 2: been disrespected one too many times and he's done. So
Speaker 2: he posted a big thing on Instagram that said retired.
Speaker 2: So I went on like not a deep dive, but
Speaker 2: a little dive on videos and he just basically like,
Speaker 2: I'm from the hood, Like I'm a hustler. I don't
Speaker 2: need you guys, I don't care about Hollywood. I don't
Speaker 2: fucking I'm not playing these games. I can make money
Speaker 2: anywhere and I'm not doing this. And then it was
Speaker 2: he had a falling out with Tiffany Hattish and I
Speaker 2: bet this happens to him a lot, as like a
Speaker 2: black professional where like he's too difficult or PR tells
Speaker 2: their clients, No, he's too much, he's annoying, don't do that.
Speaker 2: And like he was really hurt that she listened to
Speaker 2: her team instead of like having his back. But he's
Speaker 2: just like an incredibly talented visionary and I hope this
Speaker 2: is just a moment in time and he continues to
Speaker 2: work because he he did the Hunter Schaeffer, that white
Speaker 2: little feather that covered her titties. Oh yeah, that was
Speaker 2: his look. He dressed Megan the Sallient, Like he's incredible.
Speaker 2: And what I learned about him in Zendeya is that
Speaker 2: what he would do was he would dress her in
Speaker 2: outfits that other celebrities already wore, so then she would
Speaker 2: end up in who Wore It betters and then she
Speaker 2: would always win. And so that's how she became kind
Speaker 2: of this fashion icon because he was just like using
Speaker 2: stuff that people used because he knew he could do
Speaker 2: it better. And then, I mean, what he's done is incredible.
Speaker 2: But even like the designers he wanted to use, it's
Speaker 2: just always been a struggle for like, yeah, being black
Speaker 2: in Hollywood is a struggle, yeah anywhere, And so he retired,
Speaker 2: and I wonder if this is real or not. But
Speaker 2: all the celebs in his comments like please know you know,
Speaker 2: they're like sad. But then I watched this clip of
Speaker 2: him being like, I'm done being disrespected. I don't care
Speaker 2: about any of you. I don't need to be in
Speaker 2: this business. Like I don't Oh, I don't have any favors.
Speaker 2: I don't owe anyone anything. He's like, I don't care
Speaker 2: if you do PR. I don't care who you, where
Speaker 2: you work, what brand you work at. I don't care
Speaker 2: about any of you.
Speaker 1: But I wonder what he'll do going forward. I hope
Speaker 1: he does something crazy.
Speaker 2: It is so what I heard, because you know, I've
Speaker 2: been looking for stylists and stuff for some future shit.
Speaker 2: He's ten thousand A look, Jesus, yeah, because I was
Speaker 2: quoted by someone and it was thirty nine hundred. Usually
Speaker 2: it's supposed to be I talked to a PR person
Speaker 2: like thought. But that's another thing, like when you work
Speaker 2: with a certain PR person, you give a lower rate
Speaker 2: so then you can be on the carpet. And he
Speaker 2: refuses to do that because he's good, and he goes, no,
Speaker 2: I'm ten grand or bust.
Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, wow. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Are you looking at all his looks right now? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And how do you feel like he's good? No, he's great.
Speaker 1: I mean Zendia always looks impeccable. I love that thing
Speaker 1: Hunter Shaper was wearing, Like for sure, this is a
Speaker 1: very talented person and legendary.
Speaker 2: I mean, is legendary over I don't know, I have
Speaker 2: I never want to keep judging. Well, I watched Tricksy
Speaker 2: and Katya watch Pose, and it makes me really want
Speaker 2: to watch Pose, which I saying to watch for a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 1: I loved Pose. I thought it was great. I really
Speaker 1: loved it.
Speaker 2: Oh he did, ari Ariana Grande looks like you know,
Speaker 2: he did something cool. So the Met Gala usually designers
Speaker 2: like big fashion houses buy a table and then invite
Speaker 2: celebrities to wear their dresses to the table. So what
Speaker 2: he did He encouraged this f one driver, like this
Speaker 2: race car driver who is his client, to buy a
Speaker 2: table and have it be all different black designers and
Speaker 2: young up and coming people and it's like no one's
Speaker 2: ever done that before. And last year I guess he
Speaker 2: had an unprecedented like nine looks at the Met Gala.
Speaker 2: But the met galas coming up soon. But yeah, he's
Speaker 2: he's retired. I don't know. Damn.
Speaker 1: Oh, Casey's got a new flag. Casey's got a new
Speaker 1: flag for when we go way way too long. I
Speaker 1: just want to say one quick thing before we get
Speaker 1: going with the episode, because we've got a banger of
Speaker 1: an up.
Speaker 2: For you guys.
Speaker 1: But we are trying to get our date for Moontower.
Speaker 1: We are going to be there between the nineteenth and
Speaker 1: the twenty second in Austin at the Moontower Comedy Festival.
Speaker 1: And as soon as we know our exact date, it
Speaker 1: will be on our Instagram. That's messed up or messed
Speaker 1: up pod? Is that our Instagram? Yeah, so don't worry,
Speaker 1: we'll get it. We're trying to get it.
Speaker 2: And then if you're listening today, I'm I'm in Philly
Speaker 2: starting the thing. Yes, the thirtieth to the first. I'm
Speaker 2: in Philly, So come on out. Not in April, fool's joke.
Speaker 2: Go see Liza this that weekend. Her stand up is
Speaker 2: so fucking funny. Okay, let's get going. Okay, We today
Speaker 2: are doing the episode Manhattan Transfer, Season seventeen, Episode seventeen
Speaker 2: from The You're Of twenty sixteen gosh, what a time,
Speaker 2: right before we thought Donald Trump would never be president.
Speaker 2: Manhattan Transfer is also like a jazz quartet that my
Speaker 2: dad used to always make me listen to in the car,
Speaker 2: Like they would sing songs like.
Speaker 1: You know Downtown or like you must take the a Tree.
Speaker 1: Like That's that's what I think of when I hear
Speaker 1: Manhattan Transfer. Anyway, So Manhattan Transfer is part of two
Speaker 1: episodes seasons seventeen, Episodes seventeen and eighteen. We're doing Manhattan
Speaker 1: Transfer today. Next week will be on Holiest Alliance. So
Speaker 1: you're getting you get in both parts of this major arc.
Speaker 1: And this is a This is a I would say
Speaker 1: this is a banger of a double ap. There's a
Speaker 1: lot going on a lot. We open on a scene
Speaker 1: we've seen so many times before and ask for you
Speaker 1: a sex party. Lots of old men smoking cigars with hot,
Speaker 1: barely legal looking babes and forever twenty one dresses sitting
Speaker 1: on their laps like alcohols flowing. Everybody's you know, looks
Speaker 1: like they're having a good time, except a lot of
Speaker 1: the girls look bored and possibly upset. We see a
Speaker 1: woman bartender who we recognize immediately as Abigail Savage from
Speaker 1: Orange Is the New Black. She's like the who's her crew?
Speaker 1: She's in Red's crew in Orange is the New Black? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's part of the kitchen crew. She got the short
Speaker 1: little pixie cut and she was Actually she's actually been
Speaker 1: in two other episodes of SVU besides these two, and
Speaker 1: she's the masturbai in the episode Sugar, the Eric McCormick
Speaker 1: episode we did where she's like the online person named
Speaker 1: the Masturbaiter and they go to her work and Stabler goes,
Speaker 1: I need the masturbater to come to the front anyway.
Speaker 1: That's her, and she's got a long wig on and
Speaker 1: she's poorn drinks. And these old business dudes are like
Speaker 1: sitting around talking about rents. Like one guy's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted a two bedroom in Bushwick and I couldn't
Speaker 1: find one for less than thirty five hundred dollars a month.
Speaker 1: And it's like the other guy goes pathetic, which is
Speaker 1: my mom's favorite adjective. By the way, she calls everything pathetic,
Speaker 1: like everything is pathetic. She's like it's so pathetic, I
Speaker 1: can't even get upstairs. Or she's like it's so pathetic,
Speaker 1: what's happening in Syria. Like she just like pathetic is
Speaker 1: her catch all adjective. And it's just weird to me
Speaker 1: that these men that I guess are supposed to be
Speaker 1: able to like pay to get into these exclusive sex
Speaker 1: parties are like bitching about a two bedroom in Bushwick
Speaker 1: that's thirty five hundred dollars a month.
Speaker 2: Doesn't that seem weird? It does, But maybe they're complaining
Speaker 2: about how the prices have changed it like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: get used to be cheaper or something. Who knows? And
Speaker 2: who are they buying these apartments for?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're talking about rent, so they're not even
Speaker 1: buying them, they're renting them.
Speaker 2: So it's like, are you rich or not? I don't
Speaker 2: know what's going on.
Speaker 1: So the young sexy girls look very bored by these conversations,
Speaker 1: and we pan around and who is hanging out at
Speaker 1: this party listening in on the convos? But our dear
Speaker 1: dominic Sonny CARESI and we cut obviously, and he's wearing glasses.
Speaker 1: He's wearing like you know, we know he doesn't usually
Speaker 1: wear glasses, so it's weird he's wearing glasses. And we
Speaker 1: cut to the van where Rollin's Benson and Baby Dods
Speaker 1: are watching the whole scene through Carees's Google glasses. He
Speaker 1: basically has like spyglasses on.
Speaker 2: And remember what a flop.
Speaker 1: Google Glass was just one of the biggest slops, one
Speaker 1: of the biggest tech of all time. I remember I
Speaker 1: went to a bar once that said like no vaping
Speaker 1: and no Google.
Speaker 2: Glass, and I was like, this is amazing. I love
Speaker 2: this sign. Well yeah, but I feel like Quibi is
Speaker 2: my favorite tech disaster. Quibi and Siso are such specific
Speaker 2: close to us flops. You know, Siso at least like
Speaker 2: had a couple months like Quibi, truly within a day
Speaker 2: was like, this is a flop. We're calling it quits. Well,
Speaker 2: and the cockiness. I don't think CISA was as cocky as.
Speaker 1: Quibi, but SISA was stupid because they charged immediately like
Speaker 1: Hulu didn't charge at the beginning.
Speaker 2: These people need to give away.
Speaker 1: The ship for free and then make it impossible to
Speaker 1: not pay because you want it so badly, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You can't make people pay off the
Speaker 1: bat anyway with content like that. But anyway, this is
Speaker 1: why I'm you know, a media analyst on the side.
Speaker 1: So Rollins is like God these guys are boring.
Speaker 2: Also, for those who want to know, Casey is wearing
Speaker 2: a jack O lantern sweatshirt and it is February.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Casey, what brought you to that? I noticed that earlier.
Speaker 2: I honor Halloween year round. I don't know what to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rosie's been making me play Halloween music for her
Speaker 1: in the car, so you two can have a little
Speaker 1: tricker treat party together.
Speaker 2: So Rollin's is like watching.
Speaker 1: The footage, She's like, dude, these these dudes are boring
Speaker 1: as fuck. Is this what guys talk about when their
Speaker 1: wives are gone and lives like focus more on the
Speaker 1: actual crime.
Speaker 2: She's like, these girls do not look eighteen.
Speaker 1: Then they spot Judge Wheeler a judge, They spot a
Speaker 1: Bronx eightya. They spot two assemblymen and a councilman. Like,
Speaker 1: this party is supposedly I got all these higher up people, but.
Speaker 2: I guess not higher up.
Speaker 1: Like maybe my comment before about the rent stuff was misplaced,
Speaker 1: because it's not like these are finance bros, like we've
Speaker 1: seen those sex parties before. These are like public servant guys,
Speaker 1: so they make money, but they're not like drowning in money.
Speaker 1: So I guess they got a tip about this party
Speaker 1: from a nurse who said that the girls were scared
Speaker 1: but wouldn't name any names.
Speaker 2: So Dods is like, let's get in there.
Speaker 1: He's like it's to bust in and lives like we
Speaker 1: need to wait for more illegal shit to happen. So far,
Speaker 1: we're just seeing a lot of girls sitting on laps. Suddenly,
Speaker 1: the girl that is sitting on the judge's lap starts
Speaker 1: like coughing, and she wants to go to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: but this creepy judge like won't let her go, and
Speaker 1: so Caresee jumps in and is like, git neied water, honey,
Speaker 1: and then the creepy judge is like, you'll get your turn.
Speaker 2: Not great language.
Speaker 1: And then the masturbader woman interjects and she's trying to
Speaker 1: like calm things down. And then another creepy guy gets
Speaker 1: in Creasey's face and calls him Jersey. It's like he
Speaker 1: has a very clear, uh, New York accent. But then
Speaker 1: he shoves Coresey. A fight ensues and a lot of
Speaker 1: the guy guys like join in and it's all because
Speaker 1: Cariese's offering a girl a glass of water just over
Speaker 1: the line.
Speaker 2: He should not have done that. So then one of
Speaker 2: the guys, how dare you?
Speaker 1: I like it when they can barely produce saliva. So
Speaker 1: a guy that's there pulls a gun and then it's like,
Speaker 1: uh oh gun. The squad moves in. Everyone like live
Speaker 1: Rawin's Dodds are all in there. They're like, drop it.
Speaker 1: But there's two guys now with guns on them. It's
Speaker 1: a black guy and a guy with a mustache, and
Speaker 1: they're they're like, we're on the job with vice. And
Speaker 1: they're like color of the day and they're like yellow,
Speaker 1: and like there's not that many colors.
Speaker 2: Right, There's gotta be a better way to do this.
Speaker 1: I feel like you could possibly guess the color of
Speaker 1: the day, right, Like there's not that many colors. I
Speaker 1: don't know unless they're like puce, Like are they doing
Speaker 1: random colors or is it usually just like red, green, blue, brown?
Speaker 2: Orange? Yeah, I remember there was certain comedy places that
Speaker 2: would have different drink ticket colors every day. But I
Speaker 2: knew an alcoholic comedian, great guy, great guy, great father,
Speaker 2: but he he would keep different color tickets in his
Speaker 2: backpack at all times. I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't know who you're talking about, but
Speaker 1: I know people that have done this. Yeah, like I
Speaker 1: think I have today's color for drink tickets, yeah.
Speaker 2: And he just like always had tickets ready. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I feel like they were such
Speaker 2: currency in New York.
Speaker 1: During stand up that I was like, I think if
Speaker 1: I had an extra one, I keep it in my
Speaker 1: wallet and be like, I don't know in case I
Speaker 1: end up back at that bar.
Speaker 2: So sad because I need a vodka soda so badly.
Speaker 2: I had one of the worst fockasodas in my life yesterday.
Speaker 2: I was just like it was just disgusting. Maybe i've
Speaker 2: it was probably well or something, but I was just like,
Speaker 2: this tastes like college, and I don't why is this happening. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's probably was bad vodka. Yeah, but it's like even
Speaker 2: with like I I it was just so bad.
Speaker 1: Remember when somebody asked you, what do you would you
Speaker 1: like grey Goose or smearing off? It's like, what is
Speaker 1: that question? Nobody wants smearing off over Greg Goose. Okay,
Speaker 1: so Color of the Day. That's my two cents on that.
Speaker 1: So everybody's got their guns on everybody and they're telling
Speaker 1: Benson like we're vice. You just blew a two year
Speaker 1: undercover investigation, and we get to Benson looking a little
Speaker 1: bit panicked, and then it's the credits. So now Barbara
Speaker 1: shows up at the precinct and he goes, Lieutenant, what
Speaker 1: fresh hell awaits?
Speaker 2: And it's like do you hate us? V? You?
Speaker 1: I just love that you want? He is so funny, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, we did lose like when Munch left, we
Speaker 1: lost a lot of the humor. Barba had some of
Speaker 1: the humor. And then he's gone, too we need more.
Speaker 1: We need like a Ada. Coreese's too serious. We need
Speaker 1: an Ada with a couple zingers like Barba. So anyway,
Speaker 1: Benson fills him in, shows them all the high up
Speaker 1: creeps that they busted. Barba's not surprised about Judge Wheeler
Speaker 1: at all. Clearly there have been rumblings and the girls
Speaker 1: aren't talking.
Speaker 2: No one knows shit.
Speaker 1: These two vice detectives are named Russo and Jefferson, and
Speaker 1: they say they were working their own case, but they're
Speaker 1: not telling anybody who through the party. The only person
Speaker 1: at this party who wasn't an underage sex worker or
Speaker 1: a public servant was Nina Kelly, a nun much like
Speaker 1: sister peg So. Now We're in interrogation with Nina Kelly
Speaker 1: and she's got her wig off and she's talking to
Speaker 1: CARESI and Benson and they're like, so, why was a
Speaker 1: nun at a sex party? And she's like, I'd really
Speaker 1: prefer to talk to a woman. I'm not comfortable with him.
Speaker 1: And it's like, girl, same, like I would almost always
Speaker 1: rather talk to Benson than any man.
Speaker 2: So he leaves and she.
Speaker 1: Goes, I'm not comfortable with mail cops and it's like again, diddo,
Speaker 1: and Benson says, yeah, as a madam, I bet the
Speaker 1: cops really bum you out, and sister Nina is like,
Speaker 1: I'm not a madam. I've spent months trying to infiltrate
Speaker 1: the ring to save these girls. So this is a
Speaker 1: lot like the Lily Taylor character in the super Bowl
Speaker 1: episode of Undercover Mother, where they do a big Super
Speaker 1: Bowl they sting and they think she's a madam at first,
Speaker 1: but she's really just been working this ring forever, trying
Speaker 1: to get in.
Speaker 2: Benson tries to get.
Speaker 1: Info from her, and she's like, I can't be found
Speaker 1: to be cooperating or I won't be able to save
Speaker 1: any more girls. So now everyone's so tight lipped about
Speaker 1: this party what's going on, And now Dodds is in
Speaker 1: another room with these two guys from Vice and they're
Speaker 1: keeping their lips zipped and this is above their pay grade.
Speaker 1: They said, their cover story in the operation is that
Speaker 1: they're dirty cops. That's why they were allowed to have
Speaker 1: guns and badges like on them at the time. But
Speaker 1: there's no record of these guys being undercover, and their
Speaker 1: captain told them not to file anything because all these
Speaker 1: Johns are so high powered they'd have access to that information.
Speaker 2: So the captain.
Speaker 1: Finally shows up and he is actually in another episode.
Speaker 1: He's in the episode Beef that we have not done
Speaker 1: on the podcast, but we do it on live shows.
Speaker 1: And he plays the guy who writes Expose as about
Speaker 1: like dangerous toys and meats and and like he's like
Speaker 1: tries to be a Michael Moore type of like expose guy,
Speaker 1: and in this episode he has like really bad, puffy,
Speaker 1: long white sideburns.
Speaker 2: Well, my favorite part in Beef, you know, we've done
Speaker 2: that episode live a few times when I thought some
Speaker 2: guy was a dean of a school and he didn't
Speaker 2: look like a dean, and you were like, his name
Speaker 2: is just Dean.
Speaker 1: I do love that so long white sidebirds man that
Speaker 1: we know from Beef. He rolls in, he shades Baby
Speaker 1: Dodds with a quickness. He's like, I thought your dad
Speaker 1: said you were moving up, like immediate shade to Dodds.
Speaker 1: And then he goes to chat with Benson and she's like,
Speaker 1: sorry for the confusion, but like, lot, why don't we
Speaker 1: work together on this? And he's like, ooh, wish I
Speaker 1: could help, but this is a long game for us.
Speaker 2: Guys are too high up.
Speaker 1: And then he reveals his true feelings that where SVU
Speaker 1: sees victims, they see horrors. Basically, he goes, these girls
Speaker 1: are not exactly Madonna's and it's just like, I remember.
Speaker 2: What, why do you have to be a Madonna? Wow? Exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean he thinks these are first of all, if
Speaker 1: they're under eighteen, they're not able to consent really in
Speaker 1: sex work. So it just reminds me of what we
Speaker 1: talked to doctor heather Berg about, who is a woman
Speaker 1: who writes about sex work and who we just found
Speaker 1: out as cousins with our producer Casey, but we talked
Speaker 1: to her for the episode Counselor It's Chinatown just to
Speaker 1: get some perspective on the sex the life of sex workers,
Speaker 1: and get some facts about sex trafficking. And what she
Speaker 1: told us was that the majority of girls that get
Speaker 1: funneled into sex work and sex trafficking are done so
Speaker 1: by a member of their family or someone they know personally.
Speaker 1: So acting like these girls are just like these like
Speaker 1: young teen horrors is like so wild and so like
Speaker 1: so thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: I don't know. This man has a very old old worldview.
Speaker 2: I also refuse to acknowledge that like teens are kids
Speaker 2: or like that it's wrong because they want to fuck teens,
Speaker 2: So like whatever narrative they are going to have in
Speaker 2: their head to like excuse it and not see themselves
Speaker 2: as the pedophiles they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we see live obviously get a look of
Speaker 1: like ugh, like fuck you, because it's it's wild that
Speaker 1: this episode comes out in twenty sixteen, Like you would
Speaker 1: hear stuff like that all the time when we would
Speaker 1: do older episodes, but like, oh, she's no virgin or
Speaker 1: she's no angel or whatever. But it's like you'd think
Speaker 1: people's like viewpoints change, but they don't, of course, and
Speaker 1: so yeah nobody does. But I mean, mind you I'm
Speaker 1: constantly evolving.
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about the way we treat women that
Speaker 2: come forward about stuff to this day. The Amber Herd
Speaker 2: trial was like a very oh telling way of how
Speaker 2: we view women.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to hear another fucking message about
Speaker 1: amberhood her Do not send me one.
Speaker 2: So oh you see.
Speaker 1: Live, get me too, don't send me yeah to the
Speaker 1: personals or the business. So you see Live get pissed
Speaker 1: and he's like, whatever, we're already inside you guys can't
Speaker 1: get involved or this whole operation will be blown. And
Speaker 1: he's like, bye, bye, I'm getting my guys and I'm
Speaker 1: head and out. And she's like, well, why don't you
Speaker 1: let me run it by Barbara? And he big times
Speaker 1: her and he goes, oh, why don't you call the
Speaker 1: deputy inspector and see what he has to say. So
Speaker 1: she's like she basically is like, well, let me see
Speaker 1: what the ADA has to say. And he's like, I've
Speaker 1: actually got people way above the ADA, so fuck you.
Speaker 1: So SVU is getting fully shut out of this whole investigation.
Speaker 2: So now the gangs all which got to them just
Speaker 2: makes them want to investigate more.
Speaker 1: I know. It's like, don't you guys watch the show,
Speaker 1: don't you know what They're like that only is going
Speaker 1: to light a fire underneath them even harder. So the
Speaker 1: gang's all discussing how they're getting niced out, and of
Speaker 1: course Nepo baby Dods is like, want me to ask daddy,
Speaker 1: and this time Lives like, yeah, it's worth a try,
Speaker 1: any anything we can do, And Benson and Careesi are
Speaker 1: walking and talking about options, and Sister Nina is like,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna let those bastards walk. So because they
Speaker 1: have badges, they can assault sixteen year old girls. And
Speaker 1: she's talking about the vice undercover. She's not even talking
Speaker 1: about like Judge Wheeler and all these other guys. And
Speaker 1: she says they've assaulted tons of girls, tons of times.
Speaker 1: They're not cops, they're rapists. So done done, We got
Speaker 1: to look into this further, right.
Speaker 2: I love Sister Nina, Yeah, she's great Heart of Gold.
Speaker 1: At Saint Bernardine's, which is a halfway house for women,
Speaker 1: another nun, an older nun there named Sister Ida, corroborates
Speaker 1: Sister Nina. She's like, Nina doesn't lie, she's legit. If
Speaker 1: she said it, it's true, And Benson asks them not
Speaker 1: about a girl named Kara Gatierrez, same name as Mine,
Speaker 1: Makara with a seat. She brought Kara to them six
Speaker 1: months ago. She was very traumatized but healing from you know,
Speaker 1: she extricated her from this ring and she's like, but
Speaker 1: she will not talk to anyone without Sister Nina. So
Speaker 1: Benson goes to probably get Sister Nina and she the
Speaker 1: nun really quickly goes, but good to see you again.
Speaker 1: How Noah, You're like, you adopted him, right, And so
Speaker 1: I guess this is a shelter that Ellie Porter used
Speaker 1: to be at. And the nun says, we still say
Speaker 1: the rosary for Ellie every year. So yeah, it's got
Speaker 1: a little you know, we constantly have to bring up
Speaker 1: Benson's tumultuous adoption at every corner in these seasons, so
Speaker 1: we brought Kara to them.
Speaker 2: It really is like these episodes are jam packed enough.
Speaker 2: We don't need guys. There's so much going on.
Speaker 1: They're like sprinkling a little bit of Noah. Maybe Noah
Speaker 1: broke another finger, Let's go come on, Okay. So now
Speaker 1: Rollins and Benson are back at the Halfway house with
Speaker 1: Sister Nina and they're talking to Kara, she's very scared,
Speaker 1: and she points out Russo out from the iPad and
Speaker 1: she's like, he's one of the cops who's at all
Speaker 1: the parties and one of the ones that made us
Speaker 1: do stuff. And then she also I d's Jefferson. So
Speaker 1: now she's ideed both cops out of nowhere, out of
Speaker 1: a lineup. And Benson's like, I hate to do this,
Speaker 1: but I really need the details, and Kara's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: these guys forced us to go down on them. They
Speaker 1: we had to pretend we liked them. And then one
Speaker 1: time they super drunk and they brought me into a
Speaker 1: room and they took turns like assaulting me. So then
Speaker 1: eventually sister Nina earned her trust and got her out
Speaker 1: of that life. And they asked, well, who took you
Speaker 1: to the parties? And Nina's like, no way, she is
Speaker 1: not talking about that. It's too dangerous. Where is this going?
Speaker 1: So that's the act, that's the commercial break and the
Speaker 1: end of act one, But like what's going on? Like
Speaker 1: who's so high up that we can't find out? You
Speaker 1: won't tell us, like who these people are? So now
Speaker 1: top of Act two, Benson brings this info to Tucker
Speaker 1: at IAB and baby Dodds doesn't think that these guys
Speaker 1: are even undercover. They think that they're just like using
Speaker 1: the shield to be part of a sex ring. But
Speaker 1: Benson says, well, their captain confirmed the op and Dodds
Speaker 1: thinks he's in on it too, and Tucker's like, well,
Speaker 1: this is going to be hard to prove. But I've
Speaker 1: also dealt with these two cops before Twist, he says,
Speaker 1: about a year ago, but nothing stuck because people accuse
Speaker 1: vice cops of shit all the time, it seems, I guess.
Speaker 1: So if IAB questions them about a high level investigation,
Speaker 1: they're going to have to give up the information to
Speaker 1: save their shields. And then Benson and Tucker exchange what
Speaker 1: I would call a sexual look. And this is episode seventeen,
Speaker 1: and we just got confirmation that these two are hooking
Speaker 1: up in episode fifteen Collateral Damages, where our buddy Hann
Speaker 1: Gabraham goes bye bye for child sex abuse images. So
Speaker 1: they are together, but they're trying to keep it kosher
Speaker 1: and business like in the squad, but you can tell
Speaker 1: there's something going on there.
Speaker 2: So now in IAB.
Speaker 1: Interrogation, which looks by the way like the lovely conference
Speaker 1: room of a modern hotel. Like it's like the lighting
Speaker 1: is beautiful. There's like gorgeous, like high gloss furniture. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: They've got mustache man Russo and his lawyer. It's maybe
Speaker 1: his lawyer, maybe his iab rep are those are those
Speaker 1: lawyers or they iab reps just iab reps. That's a
Speaker 1: great question. I don't know the answer to that. But
Speaker 1: he's got a woman there with him who's like defending him.
Speaker 1: And then it's Tucker and his partner, and so he's like,
Speaker 1: tell me where we want to hear your side. And
Speaker 1: he's like, well, whose allegations are these the allegations of hookers?
Speaker 2: And he's like try high school girls. And Russo says, well,
Speaker 2: not only that, like how are you working at vice?
Speaker 2: You're you're you're claiming you're there to help and be
Speaker 2: a cop, and yet you're calling them hookers and they're
Speaker 2: worthless and they're like don't matter and their opinions don't matter.
Speaker 2: Then why are you working to help? Like why are
Speaker 2: you there? Then?
Speaker 1: I think they're there because of a higher level drug issue.
Speaker 1: They don't really care about the trafficking that's not really
Speaker 1: why they're in there. They're in there for like drugs
Speaker 1: and like, uh, extortion.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think vice is mostly concentrated on on drug stuff, right, No.
Speaker 2: Vice is all vices. It's like, oh, yeah, so it's
Speaker 2: it's sex crime, it's prostitution. Yes, so you're right. So
Speaker 2: they see them as criminals because they meet them as prostitutes. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because to me, I'm like, if you're claiming that you're
Speaker 2: there to help and you're a good cop, why are
Speaker 2: you like dismissing these women and victims, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because that's that's a full worldview difference. They don't see
Speaker 1: them as victims even though they're underage, because they see
Speaker 1: them dressed up hooking up with guys for money, and
Speaker 1: they think that's like a choice and something that they're
Speaker 1: consenting to it that they have the ability to consent
Speaker 1: to the guy. Russo says these girls are low hanging fruit.
Speaker 1: The roots of the tree can't be discussed, and he
Speaker 1: admits that he's like, let these girls get trafficked, and
Speaker 1: he's like.
Speaker 2: It's part of the job.
Speaker 1: And Tucker's like, I disagree, and they're like, how about
Speaker 1: the rapes? Of sixteen year old girls, and then we
Speaker 1: switched to the interview. It's like all the same people,
Speaker 1: including the IAB rep, but it's Jefferson. It's the same room,
Speaker 1: just different cop in the chair. And he's like, I
Speaker 1: do not understand this, Lisa. I watched it six times
Speaker 1: and I can't understand what he says. So tell me
Speaker 1: if you can help me figure this out. He goes,
Speaker 1: we're cops. We don't engage in the sexual activity, so
Speaker 1: they make us as cops. That's why they're coming after us.
Speaker 1: Say it again, we're cops. We don't engage in the
Speaker 1: sexual activity, so they make us as cops. That's why
Speaker 1: they're coming after us. What are you talking about? Like,
Speaker 1: your whole thing is that you're a dirty cop. Everyone
Speaker 1: knows your cops, so you would be expected to engage
Speaker 1: in the sexual activities, so nobody had to make as
Speaker 1: a cop because that's your job, that's your cover, that
Speaker 1: you're a cop. I don't really get it. If anyone
Speaker 1: can help me clarify. I watched it six times and
Speaker 1: I did not understand the fucking what the guy was saying.
Speaker 1: And he's like, it's they're pimps, putting them up to it,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to create reasonable doubts since SPU busted them,
Speaker 1: and he won't name any names, and he says, if
Speaker 1: one pp won't give.
Speaker 2: Up the target, maybe that should tell you something.
Speaker 1: And I think that kind of gets to Tucker because
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, that's true, Like if this is that
Speaker 1: high up, like what's going on? So back at the precinct,
Speaker 1: they're playing whiteboard, you know, their little whiteboard Tetris game
Speaker 1: that they like to play with the whole gang. And
Speaker 1: Tucker's there and he's like, Tucker's like, they called my bluff.
Speaker 1: They'd rather risk a morals charge than name names. And
Speaker 1: none of these girls are cooperating either. Two of them,
Speaker 1: Natalia and Margaret went to Saint Fabiola's and so did Karagodierras.
Speaker 1: And this perks up Tucker's little ears because he's like,
Speaker 1: I might know someone who works there. His cousin, Eugene
Speaker 1: is a psychologist and a priest, and the last he
Speaker 1: heard he worked at the school CARESI is founded that
Speaker 1: Tucker doesn't know every detail of his cousin's employment history.
Speaker 1: He's like, he's a cousin, you don't even know if
Speaker 1: he works at the school. It's like, I have cousins.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what state they live in, Like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2: The Italians are all about family.
Speaker 1: The Italians, I mean, they're family. We just have a
Speaker 1: huge family. I have dozens of cousins, Like I just
Speaker 1: can't remember, Tucker.
Speaker 2: If they're Irish Catholics, then yeah, the cousins. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's just weird to be like, oh, you didn't
Speaker 1: get like he didn't post it in the family Facebook
Speaker 1: chat or whatever that he was moving to another school.
Speaker 1: It's just so funny Kreese, He's like, he's your cousin.
Speaker 2: You don't even know. I forgot what comic did this joke.
Speaker 2: But I just as someone be like, do white people
Speaker 2: have cousins? I feel like white people don't have cousins.
Speaker 1: Well, it is funny to me when some people their
Speaker 1: cousins are like their siblings. You know, people are just
Speaker 1: so close to their cousins and other people just aren't.
Speaker 1: I think it's like totally different family dynamics. But I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think I have my cousins in New York City.
Speaker 1: Are the cousins that I'm the closest to, Like you
Speaker 1: met my cousins about you've met my cousin Sabastian.
Speaker 2: A bunch like those are my cousins. I'm the closest too,
Speaker 2: and then the.
Speaker 1: Rest of them just live far away or when I
Speaker 1: used to be close to when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: but now she's a full trumper and she blocked me
Speaker 1: on Facebook. So there's that, So that there's that careesy.
Speaker 1: That's sometimes why people don't know when their cousins change schools.
Speaker 1: So so then baby Dodds goes as strange Irish relatives,
Speaker 1: how rare because Tucker talks about how, like him becoming
Speaker 1: a priest, they kind of lost things they had in common,
Speaker 1: like that they sort of separated over that, and so
Speaker 1: Tucker fucking yeah, well no, I think like I think
Speaker 1: maybe you know, later is sort of accused that Tucker
Speaker 1: like lost the Lord or you know, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: like the same religious fervor that maybe his family does.
Speaker 1: So Tucker's like, I'm gonna go check with him, and
Speaker 1: him and Benson have another little flirty moment, so they're
Speaker 1: laying it on. So now at Saint Fabiola's we see
Speaker 1: Tucker's cousin Eugene is our old buddy, one of the
Speaker 1: original friends of the Pod, Michael O'Keefe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild. He was one of our like first guests.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like full pandemic. You were in an airbnb when
Speaker 1: we talked to him. We were sitting next to each
Speaker 1: other with like the Splitter. It was so different. If
Speaker 1: you remember one of our first episode's Counterfeit, he played
Speaker 1: like a bad cop who was kind of like a
Speaker 1: Red Herring bad cop. He'd end up being like the
Speaker 1: bad cop, but then crime was a bad cop, right,
Speaker 1: And he was Amanda Seifried's dad in the episode Outcry
Speaker 1: as well. So he's been He's also been in a ton.
Speaker 2: Of regular law and order.
Speaker 1: I think I don't know about criminal intent, but he's
Speaker 1: been in the mother Ship a lot. So he was
Speaker 1: the one that told us that they established something called
Speaker 1: the O'Keefe rule where people had to wait like six
Speaker 1: months to a year or something before coming back on
Speaker 1: the show because he was coming back so often at
Speaker 1: the beginning. So you cousin Eugene immediately makes a joke
Speaker 1: about Tucker being in a church.
Speaker 2: He's like, am I gonna get struck by lightning?
Speaker 1: Like he's making all these gags about you know, because
Speaker 1: I guess Tucker has, like I said, left the lord behind.
Speaker 2: And he's like, what happened? Is some everybody okay?
Speaker 1: And Tucker's like, Aunt Caroline's fine, even though she smokes
Speaker 1: three packs a day, and then they shake hand like
Speaker 1: they don't hug.
Speaker 2: This is police business. He's like, do you know why
Speaker 2: I'm here?
Speaker 1: And Eugene is like, of course, I see in Italia
Speaker 1: and Margaret. I check in with them every day. I
Speaker 1: even took one of their confessions. And Tucker's like, well,
Speaker 1: can you give me any info that they told you?
Speaker 1: And he's like, between the seal of the confessional and
Speaker 1: the hippolaws, my lips are sealed, like I can't talk.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, what about any other troubled girls? Have
Speaker 1: you heard about Kara Goodieraz And he's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she dropped out six months ago drugs. You know, she's
Speaker 1: an addict living in foster care. These gangs know who
Speaker 1: to prey on, so they're really trying to like push
Speaker 1: the conversation towards gangs a lot. So Tucker's like, which gangs?
Speaker 1: And the cop the dirty cops have been trying to
Speaker 1: push everything on BX nine and everyone's like, this seems
Speaker 1: a little high up for a street gang. Like BX
Speaker 1: nine's not having parties where judges are invited.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like, that's not really
Speaker 2: the vibe.
Speaker 1: B X nine is like killing someone and like leaving
Speaker 1: their body in a tree. So before he can even
Speaker 1: answer about which gangs, the monsignor shows up. This guy's
Speaker 1: name is Moni Monsignor.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I keep from the thing with all
Speaker 2: these Catholics, they're more drag than drag, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, with other little funny names and hats. It's
Speaker 2: just like it's so wild to.
Speaker 1: Me that, yeah, well the hierarchy of it too, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like monarchy and like figuring out who's higher than who,
Speaker 1: but the but cops are like that, who's higher than
Speaker 1: a lieutenant or a captain or a like you know
Speaker 1: this and that, like these hierarchies that exist in these
Speaker 1: institutions where you can't Did you.
Speaker 2: See Spicy Meatball's latest drag number that has catapulted her
Speaker 2: to I think big fame. She went, who's that little twerp?
Speaker 2: And it keeps lying about stuff in the government? Who
Speaker 2: was George Santos George Santos. She went up as the
Speaker 2: guy what's his name again, George Santos. Yes, so she
Speaker 2: came out as George Santos and then threw out the number,
Speaker 2: turned into the drag queen version of him and had like,
Speaker 2: you know, a wig waiting and the reveals are a
Speaker 2: red glitter dress. But it's just like, drag is such
Speaker 2: art and so cool, and fuck Tennessee and fuck Instagram
Speaker 2: for shadow banning her, and it was just such a
Speaker 2: cool number.
Speaker 1: That is, no Meatballs so good. I just finally got
Speaker 1: to meet my Meatball last summer and Nicole's house and
Speaker 1: was like, I know Meatball's prom date. I'm friends with
Speaker 1: Meatball's prom date. So I was like, I know the
Speaker 1: girl you went to prom with and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got no where.
Speaker 2: So and so before you know, she comes out in
Speaker 2: George Santos drag like news things are on a big screen.
Speaker 2: Whatever she is shadow band, but if you can find her,
Speaker 2: well we'll share this me.
Speaker 1: Share it and we'll share it when this when this
Speaker 1: episode comes out, Kasey, can you send me a note? So, yes,
Speaker 1: this mon signor shows up in his Hi mon signor
Speaker 1: drag and he's like he's like, I'm sorry, like we
Speaker 1: really just can't talk about the students. And they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: well what about Sister Nina, And mont Signior says, well,
Speaker 1: I only know one sister Nina, and it's like there's
Speaker 1: only one Sister Nina in all of New York City.
Speaker 1: And they're like, and she's on medical ly for psychiat reasons.
Speaker 1: And I'm upset to hear that she's been dealing with
Speaker 1: children because they can't sanction her being around kids. So
Speaker 1: what's going on there?
Speaker 2: So now we're back in.
Speaker 1: Barbara's office and Barbara's like, so you've got these dirty
Speaker 1: cops and the key witness is a nun with mental
Speaker 1: health issues and Benson's like, yeah, but that could just
Speaker 1: be like a case they pinned on her to discredit her.
Speaker 1: And so the cop. Barbara's like, all right, the cops
Speaker 1: are out, the John's are out, all of the girls
Speaker 1: are out except Kara, but she's too scared to testify.
Speaker 2: Would she maybe come and talk to Barbara?
Speaker 1: So now we're at the halfway house where they saw
Speaker 1: Kara originally, and Sister Ida's like, she's been in her
Speaker 1: room all day.
Speaker 2: She didn't even come out for dinner.
Speaker 1: They go to her room and they find Kara lying
Speaker 1: in bed, oh deed, with a needle in her arm,
Speaker 1: and Rollin's actually says, no need to call of us.
Speaker 1: She's gone so very sad. And that is the end.
Speaker 2: Of AC two.
Speaker 1: Top of AAC three lives, like, where did she get
Speaker 1: the heroin? We've got our friend of the pod Karen
Speaker 1: sen Lee playing the Emmy Susan Chung, and she goes
Speaker 1: the mechanism of death is respiratory arrest due to pulmonary
Speaker 1: demon caused by acute drug intoxication, and they tell her
Speaker 1: care has been cleaned for six months, and Emmy goes well,
Speaker 1: sometimes addicts go back to their old dosage, and Rollins
Speaker 1: is like, but is it possible someone gave her a
Speaker 1: hot shot? And we have heard about hot shots a
Speaker 1: lot in the show, but I decided to look up
Speaker 1: the definition and it is a dose of heroin or
Speaker 1: a similar drug contaminated with a toxix substance that is
Speaker 1: intended to kill the user.
Speaker 2: So the doc.
Speaker 1: Says, well, I can't prove it, but if this concentration
Speaker 1: we're going around, I'd be seeing a lot more id ods.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the way that ventanyl is huge
Speaker 1: right now, Like you know there's ventanyl and all kinds
Speaker 1: of cocaine and molly and stuff like that, and doctors
Speaker 1: at emergency rooms kind of see what the trends are.
Speaker 1: So she's ruling it undetermined, pending the SVU in investigation,
Speaker 1: but she said, if it makes any difference, it was
Speaker 1: a very humane death. She would have been fast asleep
Speaker 1: by the time her lungs filled with water. Where does
Speaker 1: the water come from? I don't know, just like water
Speaker 1: in your body.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was confusing to me, but I'm sure someone will
Speaker 1: send me a graphic to description.
Speaker 2: So they tell.
Speaker 1: Sister Nina what happened, and she's obviously devastated. She knows
Speaker 1: Kara was killed and she never should have brought her
Speaker 1: to the s FU detectives and Benson is like, tell
Speaker 1: us who did this? And Nina's like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: who even knew Kara was at the shelter. It had
Speaker 1: to be someone in your squad, like I only brought
Speaker 1: you guys here, and She's like I'm going to be next,
Speaker 1: and Benson's like, we got to get you out of here.
Speaker 1: I know a place where you can go now we're
Speaker 1: talking to Sister Ida, the nun at the halfway house,
Speaker 1: and she's like, Kara was super upset. A priest went
Speaker 1: to her room to receive her confession. It was Father Akinola.
Speaker 1: He's a lovely man from West Africa who fills in sometimes.
Speaker 1: He's not the regular priest. So now we're at Saint
Speaker 1: Horatio's talking to Father Akinola. He's so sad and he's
Speaker 1: heartbroken about Kara Kara, and.
Speaker 2: He why did I mispronounce my own name?
Speaker 1: And she says Kara was struggling with the arrest of
Speaker 1: her former classmates. He says he didn't see anything. You
Speaker 1: didn't see anybody go into her room, and that Kara
Speaker 1: was an addict and they always find a way to
Speaker 1: get drugs. And then writers they're leaving and he's like,
Speaker 1: I could talk to the other girls and see what
Speaker 1: they know, Like he's trying to be helpful. So back
Speaker 1: to the whiteboard with the gang. Who else knew we
Speaker 1: were talking to Kara? Besides us? The only people that
Speaker 1: knew we were talking to Kara were Sister Nina, Sister Ida, Barba,
Speaker 1: and Iab and maybe the vice cops Russo and Jefferson
Speaker 1: and He's like, I never put Kara's name in the system,
Speaker 1: and I didn't even tell my partner about this. And
Speaker 1: then Benson realizes, but you did check with your cousin
Speaker 1: Eugene about her.
Speaker 2: Done done, if I do say so myself.
Speaker 1: So Tucker rushes to the church with Benson to confront
Speaker 1: his cousin Eugene, who's like chatting with a bunch of
Speaker 1: young Catholic schoolgirls, which I do think is like the
Speaker 1: show being like something's up, and he's immediately accusing him,
Speaker 1: and Eugene's playing dumb and he's like, she died because
Speaker 1: of the drugs, and Tucker is laying it on him
Speaker 1: and he's like, this is you you got her killed?
Speaker 1: And Eugene's like, I'm denying part of being anything. They
Speaker 1: were like, so are.
Speaker 2: You part of the ring? Or do they put you
Speaker 2: up to it? And he goes neither.
Speaker 1: I was Kara's guidance counsel. The accent O'Keefe is doing
Speaker 1: is a lot.
Speaker 2: It's a lot. I was just about to say, like,
Speaker 2: is it really good or is this terrible?
Speaker 1: I can't tell because at times I think it sounds Boston,
Speaker 1: but maybe he moved from Boston.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 1: I meant the feeling Tucker's family is from New York.
Speaker 1: I feel like you feel like they're Queen's Irish or something.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, but the cousins could be everywhere. But
Speaker 2: like it was just it was just so much. But
Speaker 2: I'm wondering what the director or the other actors are
Speaker 2: they like, you're killing it, O'Keefe, Yeah, what you're doing?
Speaker 2: Or was everyone talking about him behind his back, being like,
Speaker 2: what's what this accent? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It seemed really heavy and at times I thought, is
Speaker 1: this Boston? Like I couldn't so the accent work is
Speaker 1: truly wild, and Benson has to calm both of the
Speaker 1: men down.
Speaker 2: She's like getting in between them.
Speaker 1: She's pulling Tucker off of his cousin, and Eugene says
Speaker 1: he never let anything slip about Kara.
Speaker 2: She was in with the gangs. There's no conspiracy.
Speaker 1: He thinks Tucker's been in IAB too long because he
Speaker 1: thinks everyone's corrupt. And Eugene accuses Tucker of turning his
Speaker 1: back on God, and Tucker goes, they've got something on you,
Speaker 1: and then Live pulls Tucker away and he runs out
Speaker 1: of her Clutches goes back and grabs Eugene and goes,
Speaker 1: I know it was you, and it's very Godfather like
Speaker 1: that's a classic god Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I'm with Tucker. It's like the cousin is using
Speaker 2: it against him. But no, this is Tucker's job. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he is iab because he is good at Yeah, and
Speaker 2: also to be like, it's the gangs, it's the gangs.
Speaker 2: I know it's the gang. How how do you know
Speaker 2: it's the gangs? Yeah, give us the proof.
Speaker 1: Tell us the names of the people, like who whatever
Speaker 1: the girls told you about the gangs?
Speaker 2: Like what? And you have a fake accent, so you're shady. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So finally Lives screams enough and breaks them up, and
Speaker 1: Tucker goes, I'm coming for you, and God's not gonna
Speaker 1: help your ass.
Speaker 2: So now we're outside the church.
Speaker 1: Tucker is still fuming and says Eugene is a politician.
Speaker 1: He calculates every word he says, but lives like, but
Speaker 1: you think he's running a sex trafficking ring. He goes,
Speaker 1: maybe or he's protecting it, and he's like, I want
Speaker 1: warrants to dig into his financials, everything, computers, texts, like whatever.
Speaker 1: Lives like you got to chill and let svus like
Speaker 1: pursue this. This is not your case, and he's like,
Speaker 1: we got to get Nina to a safe place and
Speaker 1: lives like she already is. So now we're back at
Speaker 1: Benson's place and she's obviously given Lucy the afternoon off
Speaker 1: and let sister Nina be her nanny because Sister Nina's
Speaker 1: in the apartment with Noah when Live and Tucker arrive
Speaker 1: and Nina immediately looks sketched out by Tucker and I
Speaker 1: do appreciate how she is fully paranoid about every man
Speaker 1: that walks on into her life with reason, and they
Speaker 1: ask her, is there someone at Saint Fabiola's we should
Speaker 1: be looking at? And Live begs her, like, please tell us,
Speaker 1: and she goes, well, you know a lot of times
Speaker 1: at that place, the guidance counselors know what's going on,
Speaker 1: and Tucker goes, so we should look at Father Eugene,
Speaker 1: and Nina's like, how do you know about Father Eugene?
Speaker 1: And uh oh. She finds out that Tucker's cousin is
Speaker 1: Father Eugene, and she is not happy. She slowly starts
Speaker 1: moving towards Noah. She picks him up and she goes, Noah,
Speaker 1: let's say bye to mister Tucker. He's gotta go right now,
Speaker 1: Bye bye. And it's like she's just lightly holding Noah hostage,
Speaker 1: like it's really kind of freaky, but you don't think
Speaker 1: she's gonna was cute? Yeah, And he's like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: no was really cute. And it's like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to put any blame on Olivia, but maybe bringing a
Speaker 1: nun with possible mental health issues to watch your child
Speaker 1: alone wasn't the move, Like maybe maybe have a tandem
Speaker 1: thing where Lucy's there at the same time, especially after
Speaker 1: the Calvin of it all, Like you've already gone through
Speaker 1: this nonsense, like you need boundaries.
Speaker 2: But like, yes, I don't know. She she's about the
Speaker 2: victims in protection. Yeah, and didn't she hear that about
Speaker 2: Danny Beck and the fire with elt Fanning. Yeah, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, that's so true. I'm sure. I'm sure Maloney
Speaker 2: filled her in when she came back and was like,
Speaker 2: you won't believe what this dumb bitchy.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Tucker goes, Nope, you're right, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: He backs out, He leaves, Live is breathing heavily and
Speaker 1: She's like, put Noah down. Tucker's gone, this isn't what
Speaker 1: you think. And then she puts Noah down and Live
Speaker 1: takes him into another room to go play with an iPad.
Speaker 1: When she comes back, Nina is freaking out, like trying
Speaker 1: to grab all of her shit. She's like, I don't
Speaker 1: she doesn't trust Live father Eugene's cousin is in charge
Speaker 1: of the investigation, Like, are you fucking kidding me? And
Speaker 1: I could see with everything she's seen, with all these
Speaker 1: higher up people being involved, that would absolutely like spook
Speaker 1: the shit out of her. And she explains like no,
Speaker 1: Tucker and his cousin hate each other, it's not a
Speaker 1: big deal. But Nina's like not hearing any of it.
Speaker 1: She's like, what are you gonna have me committed again?
Speaker 1: More shock treatments? I am not crazy. So now we're
Speaker 1: getting a whole nother level of the trauma that sister
Speaker 1: Nina's been through too, that the church seems to have
Speaker 1: committed her and put her through like involuntary psychiatric treatments
Speaker 1: that she didn't need. And she thinks Live is either
Speaker 1: in on this whole thing or she's an idiot and
Speaker 1: Lives like please don't leave, Please don't go.
Speaker 2: And then she's like, you brought me here to kill me.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, look, just tell them my promise
Speaker 1: never to talk about the trafficking ring again and runs out.
Speaker 1: It's like, if live brought you there to kill you,
Speaker 1: you'd be dead. She wouldn't be letting you run out
Speaker 1: of the building.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's when we're letting you walk out of the room,
Speaker 1: but says something. This episode weirdly has a fifth act.
Speaker 1: In Barba's office. The mon signor is in there and
Speaker 1: he's talking to Barbara and they're wrapping up a conbo
Speaker 1: and then as they're leaving, he goes, I have faith
Speaker 1: the DA's office will do the right thing. I want
Speaker 1: to spare these girls any more exploitation. So then Dods
Speaker 1: and Benson are waiting to get into the office.
Speaker 2: They are there to chat with.
Speaker 1: Barba, and the mon Signior thanks them for saving the
Speaker 1: girls and comments how Kara was such a pretty young girl,
Speaker 1: and it's like, that's not the vibe at s for you,
Speaker 1: sor like you could talk about how she was a
Speaker 1: promising student and a wonderful person, but we don't need
Speaker 1: to talk about how hot she was. When he leaves,
Speaker 1: Benson is like, what the fuck was he doing here?
Speaker 1: And Barba's like, still trying to figure that out, but
Speaker 1: he's not really offering anything. Now, where are the arrest
Speaker 1: warrants for Father Eugene and Father Akinola. Barbara's like, listen, babies,
Speaker 1: A lot of judges don't want to touch this, and
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering myself if we're making the right moves here.
Speaker 2: And then Benson tells Barba about our sweet Yeah. If
Speaker 2: it's this like high up and it's all this stuff,
Speaker 2: that's the reason to dig not escape. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's also like it's twenty sixteen when this episode
Speaker 1: comes out, like it's not weird to dig into the
Speaker 1: Catholic church, Like it's not weird at all. So Benson
Speaker 1: tells Barba about Sister Nina's paranoid freak out and he's like,
Speaker 1: can you blame her vice? And possibly priests are trafficking girls.
Speaker 1: Then there's the care a leak and Barbara asks Baby Dodds,
Speaker 1: why don't you step out of the room for a second,
Speaker 1: and he asks live, what do you know about Tucker?
Speaker 1: And she goes we go way back he's intense, he's
Speaker 1: no nonsense, good at his job. And Barba's like, but
Speaker 1: he did try to ruin both of your partner's lives, right.
Speaker 2: She's like, She's like, ah, we're past that. It's pretty funny.
Speaker 1: And then Barba says, well, the mon signor made some
Speaker 1: serious allegations and she's like, oh, against father Eugene. And
Speaker 1: he goes no against Tucker and Lives like, what now
Speaker 1: and he said, Monseignor mel Reagan and Eugene went to
Speaker 1: Tucker a year ago with info that Vice was running
Speaker 1: girls from their school. They named Russo and Jefferson, and
Speaker 1: they said Tucker buried it. And Live is like, there's
Speaker 1: no way. He wanted to kill Eugene the other day.
Speaker 1: And he's like, maybe he just wanted you to think that,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't think Tucker went to drama school.
Speaker 1: And Live is like there's no way, and Barba's like,
Speaker 1: I thought you guys all hated this guy. I'm so confused,
Speaker 1: and Live is defending him and she's like, his job
Speaker 1: is to be relentless. And then Barbara, basically a detective
Speaker 1: as well as a lawyer, sniffs it out and goes
Speaker 1: are you involved with him, and Live goes the lot
Speaker 1: the violins swell and Live goes, don't ask me that.
Speaker 1: And there's not that many questions that Live darts and
Speaker 1: dodges in this series, and this is one where she's like,
Speaker 1: don't don't even get into that with me. She's always
Speaker 1: in secret relationships though, like right, because she didn't tell
Speaker 1: people about Cassidy. Really, she didn't tell people about Tucker.
Speaker 1: She didn't tell people Abo, Oh, Harry Connick Junior, there's a.
Speaker 2: Guy fucking outside of the office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, she's busy where she gonna meet people. She
Speaker 1: had a trainer that one time. I was hopeful, but
Speaker 1: oh they weren't fucking.
Speaker 2: They were just worthing I know.
Speaker 1: But wouldn't it be fun just for Live to get
Speaker 1: fucked by a guy with a great body and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no combo. They just like watch fucking reality TV
Speaker 1: and bang. So then Barba's like, I just confided in
Speaker 1: you that an IAB captain might be involved in a
Speaker 1: sex trafficking ring and you don't mention that you two
Speaker 1: are fucking, and she goes, you're wrong about him. Bring
Speaker 1: him in ask him yourself, and Barba says, you and
Speaker 1: I are done talking and Live looks busted, which is
Speaker 1: a rare look. You just never see her looking like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I fucked up in this way.
Speaker 2: And she walks out.
Speaker 1: She meets Tucker at a dive bar and it looks
Speaker 1: very cozy to me, and he goes nobody saw you.
Speaker 2: And she goes here like it's the worst bar in
Speaker 2: the world, and I'm like, I drink there. It looks
Speaker 2: fun and like in Sex in the City when Carrie
Speaker 2: and Bigger having the affair and she's like, well, no
Speaker 2: one knows that set fifty seventh and said, well they
Speaker 2: only know us here, and it's like there, it just
Speaker 2: blocks away like some you could have run doctor appointment,
Speaker 2: a meeting, a cousin's in Like it was so funny
Speaker 2: the way. But I wasn't living in New York at
Speaker 2: the time, but it is so funny how it was,
Speaker 2: like Brooklyn, I'd rather die uptown, no thanks. Even the
Speaker 2: house sides are like, I don't go below fourteenth And
Speaker 2: it's like it is just such a tiny city that
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: You run in all the time. Yes, you need to
Speaker 1: leave the Burroughs. I think if you want to have
Speaker 1: a true affair, you need to be. That's why they
Speaker 1: bust people in Jersey fucking and sometimes in the show.
Speaker 1: So anyway, lives like, I'm a lieutenant. I'd drink Scotch
Speaker 1: out of a crystal highball, bitch, I shouldn't be in
Speaker 1: a place like this, and she goes, so group one
Speaker 1: is investigating you for sex trafficking, corruption and murder and
Speaker 1: he goes, yep, Cousin Eugene set me up good, and
Speaker 1: he says, you know how this goes. Don't stick your
Speaker 1: neck out for me, or it'll look like you're covering
Speaker 1: for me. They can't prove shit. I didn't do shit.
Speaker 1: I'll be fine, and lives like, yeah, well, I'm probably
Speaker 1: gonna still do stuff like and he's like, you want
Speaker 1: to go after the church, City Hall and Albany for
Speaker 1: an iab guy that most people hate. Stay out of it,
Speaker 1: And then lives phone buzzes and she's like, well, looks
Speaker 1: like I can't really stay out of it. One Pp
Speaker 1: wants to see her immediately back at the squad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: back at the squad, Baby Dodds definitely calls Barbara Barbara.
Speaker 1: He says something about Barbara and I definitely heard it
Speaker 1: every round It three times and it sounds like Barbara.
Speaker 1: And he's telling Rollins and Creasy how Barbara wouldn't say
Speaker 1: shit in front of him. And then Rollin's like, did
Speaker 1: you call Daddy yet? And he's like, yeah, but he
Speaker 1: hasn't gotten back to me. It's like, I love how
Speaker 1: everybody now it's just like, yeah, call your dad, and
Speaker 1: Rollins brings up the Catholic Church and then looks at
Speaker 1: Careese and apologizes to mister Catholic himself, who's like, Crisy goes,
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of the parice are good guys. It's like,
Speaker 1: where'd you get that figure? I really don't think it's
Speaker 1: that's the figure. I think the figure is definitely way off.
Speaker 1: And he's like, but the church brought this on themselves,
Speaker 1: so we Coreesy does not think that the churches is
Speaker 1: infallible in any way.
Speaker 2: It's like the not all men of yeaigi, it is
Speaker 2: all the priests.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also the one percent is such a small number,
Speaker 1: like it's definitely bigger than that. And then Cariese says
Speaker 1: Barbara too. I swear to God I heard Cariese say Barbara.
Speaker 1: But he's a little bit more mealy mouth. He's more
Speaker 1: like Barbara, so like, I couldn't really hear if he
Speaker 1: said it, but I think everybody go back and check.
Speaker 1: I think they both say it's the last two minutes
Speaker 1: of the episode, Dodds and Carisy both say Barbara anyway.
Speaker 1: Benson walks in asks Cariese and Rollins get me some
Speaker 1: evidence boxes, and then Dodds and she goes, Dods, can
Speaker 1: I talk to you for a minute. He goes in
Speaker 1: her office and he's like, what's up? And she's like,
Speaker 1: you'd know better than me. He's clueless, and she's like,
Speaker 1: you're actually telling me you don't know what's going on,
Speaker 1: and he really doesn't, and I believe him. He looks
Speaker 1: like a totally like adult. And she's like, I'm out
Speaker 1: effective immediately, and Rollin's and Carisy come in with the
Speaker 1: boxes and she's like, Dodds is acting commander of SVU
Speaker 1: starting now. And she tells all of them you're dismissed
Speaker 1: as she starts packing shit into boxes and we see
Speaker 1: her take her Lieutenant Olivia and at benson name plate,
Speaker 1: and the EP goes dick wolf out on that, and
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is such a cliffhanger. To those who
Speaker 2: don't watch the show, you're really it's like you're watching
Speaker 2: a narrative soap opera like this is the nineteen thirties,
Speaker 2: and check back with your radio next week, like that's
Speaker 2: a good episode. And that's I mean yeah, back.
Speaker 1: In the day, kids, you couldn't binge, so you had
Speaker 1: to wait and wait a.
Speaker 2: Whole week and see what happened.
Speaker 1: Because these episodes did air after each other, like a
Speaker 1: week after each other. So it's like, but there's not
Speaker 1: even like a to be continued on it. You just
Speaker 1: end the episode being like, is Olivia Benson fired? Like
Speaker 1: and you never really do know. Sometimes people leave these shows,
Speaker 1: but I think it would be you know, spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: She's still around.
Speaker 2: But we're going to find out what happens with the
Speaker 2: rest of this.
Speaker 1: But before that, Lisa, please take me down the True
Speaker 1: crime Street my pleasure.
Speaker 2: We'll see you soon. Listen. I'm gonna be talking about
Speaker 2: undercover nuns. There are nuns and they go undercover and
Speaker 2: they help sex trafficking and you know, human trafficking victims
Speaker 2: all across the world. A lot of the articles were
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, and I wonder if they hired PR Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened in twenty fifteen, but every
Speaker 2: single article had the exact same facts over and over
Speaker 2: across I'm saying complex was involved. Like everyone had an
Speaker 2: article stating the exact same facts in twenty fifteen. So
Speaker 2: I think they did a real big PR push or
Speaker 2: somewhere where I just broke and everybody was like how interesting,
Speaker 2: who knows? Yeah. And then also a lot of sources
Speaker 2: I found were like Christian news, and I refuse to
Speaker 2: use those because, you know, especially after we talked to
Speaker 2: that professor, and like Christian's views on human trafficking oftentimes
Speaker 2: are also anti sex work porn, and it's like convoluted,
Speaker 2: and it's not just about helping people, it's also about
Speaker 2: like prude culture and like anti woman and sex. So
Speaker 2: you know, it's so this was a little confusing. It
Speaker 2: was just like this PR push a lot of Christian
Speaker 2: news and I would be reading something and then I
Speaker 2: would read one thing and be like, wait, what source
Speaker 2: is this? Okay, it's a Christian thing. It would always
Speaker 2: like say one sentence too far, But you know, we
Speaker 2: did our best here. So this is straight up a
Speaker 2: low key network of about eleven hundred religious sisters aka nuns,
Speaker 2: and they go undercovers sex workers to help rescue trafficking
Speaker 2: victims for brothels. The group is called Talitha kom Talitha.
Speaker 2: Come use your imagination. But if you're a Bible thumper,
Speaker 2: you know what this is. And it's from the Bible.
Speaker 2: Jesus says this, and he and it means little girl,
Speaker 2: I say to you, rise up, And he said an
Speaker 2: aramaic to a twelve year old girl who died, and
Speaker 2: then Jesus took the girl and then they got up
Speaker 2: and walked around. So if you want to know more
Speaker 2: about this, it's Mark's fifth chapter, a Gospel of Mark's
Speaker 2: fifth Chapter. So did it sound like I was speaking
Speaker 2: truly French? Like I don't know anything I just said?
Speaker 2: Was it obvious I was reading word for word? So
Speaker 2: that's what the organization is called. And they see its
Speaker 2: name as an expression of the transformative power of compassion
Speaker 2: and mercy for those who have been wounded by the
Speaker 2: many forms of exploitation. Their mission is to share and
Speaker 2: maximize resources that religious life has on behalf of prevention,
Speaker 2: protection and assistance, awareness raising, and the denouncement of trafficking
Speaker 2: in persons, and that's in quotes from their mission statement
Speaker 2: on their website in our show notes. And so these
Speaker 2: infiltrating supernuns go into the brothels and a lot oftentimes
Speaker 2: they'll buy children being sold into slavery, and a lot
Speaker 2: of the figures were really hard. So like in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff said we're in eighty countries
Speaker 2: and expanding to one hundred and forty countries demand because
Speaker 2: of the demand of efforts to combat human trafficking. And
Speaker 2: then I found as of twenty twenty one, it's in
Speaker 2: ninety two countries, but someplaces say seventy seven countries, so
Speaker 2: I don't even know. I don't even know if I
Speaker 2: can name ninety two countries, but it's around the world,
Speaker 2: and the nuns are out there. And there's also like
Speaker 2: stories of nuns infiltrating and helping traffic victims and sex
Speaker 2: workers dating back to the seventy sixties. Like I found
Speaker 2: lots of things, so this is like an organized network
Speaker 2: and they're working together, and the popes even endorse this group.
Speaker 2: But like it seems like nuns have been really going
Speaker 2: hard protecting women. For the nuns are nunning doll.
Speaker 1: The nuns are nunning, and may I ask how many
Speaker 1: priests are getting out there infiltrating fucking sex rings.
Speaker 2: Are any priests doing any of that work? Just wondering. No,
Speaker 2: it seems like there's a seems like there's a.
Speaker 1: Fundamental difference between a nun and a priest in this situation.
Speaker 2: Well, the priests are like power, power, power, listen to
Speaker 2: me talk, and the nuns are like, we want to help. Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's a line in Marcela Shell where he's like he
Speaker 2: I forgot what he's comparing, but he goes, oh, it's
Speaker 2: about gardening, like how the grandma, Grandma Connie works with
Speaker 2: the bugs, and Marcella Shell goes, you know, it's like
Speaker 2: Sister Act where you know they do graffiti for transformation
Speaker 2: or something like. Marcel has like a really funny line
Speaker 2: about substract too love that. Wait, did you know that?
Speaker 1: On my semester abroad in Rome, I lived in a convent.
Speaker 2: No, you're like a little Katie Perry. No. And we
Speaker 2: had these really cool nuns that helped us.
Speaker 1: And I would go back like years later and be like, hi,
Speaker 1: I studied abroad here, and they'd be like, how are
Speaker 1: you we remember, like and they would wear new Balance
Speaker 1: sneakers like underneath their little outfits, and they looked so
Speaker 1: cute and they were always like so cool and nice.
Speaker 1: They just helped like run the convent where my study
Speaker 1: abroad program was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, I also hear about nuns hitting
Speaker 2: kids with rulers. I'm not saying all nuns are great.
Speaker 2: These nuns are good, you know if you were bind. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the base of this organization is in Rome, and their
Speaker 2: networks are active in five continents, and they're coordinating anti
Speaker 2: trafficking efforts of fifty intercongregational networks organized at the nationalsh
Speaker 2: local level, and then ten networks that include the joint
Speaker 2: coordination of several countries at the regional level. So that's
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like I found all these other homes
Speaker 2: and places and stories, and so I think this is
Speaker 2: like the top organization that connects all of these nuns together.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. It is really cool and it
Speaker 2: is a huge problem. Obviously. Human trafficking is the third
Speaker 2: third biggest illegal market and profits criminals up to one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty billion dollars a year, So that's a lot.
Speaker 2: The international labor organization estimates that roughly twenty five million
Speaker 2: people are enforced labor across the globe, and nearly five
Speaker 2: million of those facing forced sexual explos Also included is
Speaker 2: forced begging. I learned that about that. And what was
Speaker 2: that fun movie with Dev Patel that brought slum Dog
Speaker 2: lockdown a millionaire? Oh that's scene with the little boy
Speaker 2: in his eyes, Like it really has stuck with me
Speaker 2: all these years, but like, yeah, do you remember this
Speaker 2: or no?
Speaker 1: I love that movie, but I don't remember that part.
Speaker 1: Maybe I've blocked it out.
Speaker 2: They like make kids blind on purpose because then when
Speaker 2: they beg they make more money because they look more sympathetic.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well you know when I was.
Speaker 1: You know, there's also stories about like when when they
Speaker 1: hold babies, When a lot of beggars hold babies, they're
Speaker 1: giving kids either heroin or something to drug them so
Speaker 1: they don't cry. So people are just holding babies that
Speaker 1: are not crying so people will give them more money.
Speaker 2: It's horrible. I think i'd give more money to a
Speaker 2: crying baby.
Speaker 1: I think they just want you to see a beautiful
Speaker 1: sleeping baby and give money.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but that slum Dog Millionaires scene really hurts horrible,
Speaker 2: so forced begging, forced marriage, and then domestic servitude. And
Speaker 2: it's a different, dificult issue, of course, because it's so
Speaker 2: caught up with poverty, and you know, the rich thrive
Speaker 2: off poverty. So I don't know if they'll ever be
Speaker 2: an end. But and that was said by Mayor Maira
Speaker 2: kooler A None from Bolivia, and that's what she said
Speaker 2: about sexual exploitation. Seventy percent of trafficking victims are women.
Speaker 2: Ninety percent of them are used for sexual exploitation. Twenty
Speaker 2: five to thirty percent are like young girls and boys
Speaker 2: is the next group. The majority of these victims live
Speaker 2: in Asia in the Pacific region, at about like three
Speaker 2: point five million, compared to in America where it's around
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand for the stats. And and you know,
Speaker 2: and we talk about this now, like we talked about
Speaker 2: this in the episode about Robert Kraft and that was
Speaker 2: the Margaret Show episode. But it's like America right now
Speaker 2: is all gung ho about like human trafficking and upping it,
Speaker 2: but it's about money to police forces, and like really
Speaker 2: it criminalizes the sex workers, not the men that like
Speaker 2: use that. It's just like because I know people are
Speaker 2: being snatched and stuff, but it is being overblown in
Speaker 2: our culture in America right now.
Speaker 1: Well like that, Liz Well, I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: this episode kind of proves it. They're targeting girls that
Speaker 1: are in foster homes, that are have drug problems, and
Speaker 1: they're they're funneling them into human trafficking scenarios, whereas a
Speaker 1: lot of the media tries to make it seem like
Speaker 1: your teenage daughter could be walking down the street and
Speaker 1: shoved into a van and sold into slavery like taken,
Speaker 1: and that's just not necessarily the way it is. They're
Speaker 1: targeting specifically poor groups. They're targeting specifically and and a
Speaker 1: lot of times it's people are being like we talked
Speaker 1: to doctor Heatherberg, they're being uh sent into a trafficking
Speaker 1: rings by people they know to make money. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know for what it's worth from what I
Speaker 1: the some of the research I heard. Again, I always
Speaker 1: point people to this episode about uh trafficking from You're
Speaker 1: wrong about the podcast that I always talk about. But
Speaker 1: a lot of the trafficking is labor trafficking. I mean,
Speaker 1: sexual trafficking is a lot more headline grabbing but a
Speaker 1: lot of it is, like I was just reading about
Speaker 1: like fucking kids that cross the border and are working
Speaker 1: in like serial factories for no money now because they
Speaker 1: there's nothing else they can do in our country.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like there's just a lot of forced labor that is
Speaker 1: also under the trafficking umbrella.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And studies according to NBC News suggest that over
Speaker 2: sixty percent of those who are trafficked for sex wire
Speaker 2: runaway children. And they're often lured into that life within
Speaker 2: seventy two hours of leaving home, and that's when they're
Speaker 2: like vulnerable, they're fresh on the Oh god, this is
Speaker 2: so sad. There's one story I found of a fifteen
Speaker 2: year old runaway from Michigan in the nineteen seventies. That's
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like this organization, you know, didn't become
Speaker 2: official till own nine, but these nuns have been out there.
Speaker 2: So this story just s grabbed me. So in the
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies, this woman named Leslie King met an older
Speaker 2: man after she ran away who promised to take care
Speaker 2: of her, who ended up being a pimp and told
Speaker 2: her if you try to run or tell the police,
Speaker 2: I'll kill your mother. Son sister and brother, and I'll
Speaker 2: cut up your body parts and spread them across the
Speaker 2: state of Michigan if you're fifteen. She believes that person,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, she got to work
Speaker 2: in Grand Rapids, Michigan, until a woman named Sister Francett
Speaker 2: started showing up with her Catholic sisters to talk and pray.
Speaker 2: But Leslie would never talk. But one day she ended
Speaker 2: up going to rehab emptying her purse and the sister's
Speaker 2: card fell out. So after she left rehab, she went
Speaker 2: to live at a place called Rosehaven, which was run
Speaker 2: by the nuns who worked with the Sister Francet. And
Speaker 2: so you know, this has been a tradition, it seems like.
Speaker 2: But like I said, this group, Talitha kumb formerly was
Speaker 2: established in two thousand and nine, and it promotes collaboration,
Speaker 2: like I said, among the networks organized at national, regional
Speaker 2: and continental levels, even if each network remains unique and
Speaker 2: operates within its own country or region of this International
Speaker 2: Union of Superiors General UISG. And so the nuns often
Speaker 2: dress up as sex workers head into the streets to
Speaker 2: integrate themselves into the brothels. The group is made up
Speaker 2: of roughly sixty thousand religious sisters. They work.
Speaker 1: I would love to see this shopping trip, by the way,
Speaker 1: I would love to see just like a bunch of
Speaker 1: nuns like at Forever twenty one, like trying on outfits
Speaker 1: to try to fit into brothels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. They work on their own, even
Speaker 2: though they have the support of Pope Francis, who has
Speaker 2: said that I don't care about the Pope, but I
Speaker 2: guess it's like cool that the Pope's into it, who
Speaker 2: says that problems are the best resolved by going out
Speaker 2: into the streets while he sits in a fancy hat
Speaker 2: at the Vatican. But yes, my.
Speaker 1: Husband has a joke that's like, yeah, the Pope is
Speaker 1: like the most progressive god. This pope is like the
Speaker 1: most progressive guy who lives in a castle and thinks
Speaker 1: that wizards are real, you know, Like, I guess he's
Speaker 1: progressive for someone that believes in magic.
Speaker 2: So they're super They're a super low key group. They
Speaker 2: don't trust local police obviously, they do not trust government obviously,
Speaker 2: no corporations, and they don't trust the male clergy. They yeah,
Speaker 2: alone love it. Nobody knows they're there, and even when
Speaker 2: they did know, like the pimps did know. They left
Speaker 2: the nuns alone because they knew that there's nothing that
Speaker 2: they could say or do that would have the nuns
Speaker 2: run away. Like the nuns had the spirit of the Lord,
Speaker 2: they're not leaving. So they also try to save children
Speaker 2: who are being sold into slavery by their parents and
Speaker 2: set up homes in many countries to house these children.
Speaker 2: There's homes in Africa, Philippines, Brazil, India, so on, all
Speaker 2: over the world. And you can't generalize about trafficking and
Speaker 2: slavery because no two countries are the same. It's like
Speaker 2: very specific per place to go. And not only do
Speaker 2: they work in the streets, they also do push for
Speaker 2: systemic change, lobbying and stronger loss to help combat human trafficking.
Speaker 2: They also work to restore back dignity to these trafficked
Speaker 2: people by offering therapeutic, medical, emotional, and financial support. There
Speaker 2: is a Day of Prayer and Awareness every year. It's
Speaker 2: February eighth, So next year, if you want to pray
Speaker 2: and be aware, that's the day. They also run prevention
Speaker 2: programs in schools and offer education and training to young
Speaker 2: people to keep them out of hands of traffickers. So
Speaker 2: these nuns are busy, they're out there and where think
Speaker 2: for their work. I love hearing about this.
Speaker 1: I love hearing about where like the sort of sister
Speaker 1: Nina idea came from, because yeah, I've never thought of
Speaker 1: nuns like dressing up and going in to infiltrate these
Speaker 1: kind of rings and stuff.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a loud story. And of course we'll
Speaker 2: see you next week for a part two of this episode.
Speaker 1: So yes, nore crime, Yes, has even more salacious crimes since.
Speaker 2: To speak of more guests, great guests, we have a
Speaker 2: great guest today, Pumped.
Speaker 1: Pumped, Our guest today is a classic double threat, an
Speaker 1: actor and a sound effects editor and sound designer. She's
Speaker 1: best known for her recurring role as Gina Murphy on
Speaker 1: Orange Is the New Black, and she's been featured on
Speaker 1: shows like What We Do in the Shadows and Chicago Med.
Speaker 1: But she's also worked professionally in post productions on features
Speaker 1: and TV for almost twenty years. She most recently worked
Speaker 1: as a sound effect editor on A twenty four's X
Speaker 1: and as the supervising sound editor on the upcoming Apple
Speaker 1: Plus show Monster Factory. But you know her today as
Speaker 1: the wily and dedicated sister Nina Kelly. Guys, please enjoy
Speaker 1: our chat with the very talented Abigail Savage.
Speaker 2: We're so excited that you're here. Yeah for you royalty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you. Guys are collecting us like Pokemon.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to catch them all, all the orange babies.
Speaker 2: We can't wait. Oh.
Speaker 1: I just thought it was funny because our producer Casey goes, oh,
Speaker 1: you seem like you have a great setup, and your
Speaker 1: face was kind of like yeah, because you are a
Speaker 1: sound engineer and a sound designer on the side, so
Speaker 1: I feel like, not on the side, but like divided.
Speaker 2: I guess I wanted to ask you that first.
Speaker 1: Like when we first with the first episode we covered
Speaker 1: that you were in was actually Sugar, the one where
Speaker 1: you play the like masturbator.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember being like, oh, her IMDb has one hundred
Speaker 1: and six sound credits.
Speaker 2: I wonder if she pivoted to acting.
Speaker 1: But then when I did some more research about you,
Speaker 1: it sounded like it was just like a thing you
Speaker 1: did at the same time as acting.
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to hear a little bit more
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: You want the.
Speaker 3: Lowdown on that? Yeah, I always wanted to be an actor,
Speaker 3: you know, straight through college. And I got out of
Speaker 3: college and I thought to myself, well, this is not
Speaker 3: leading lady material. Let's be honest. Regardless of my talent,
Speaker 3: I'm just not going to get casts like all that often.
Speaker 3: So I thought to myself, do I want to be
Speaker 3: like waiting tables as I struggle to be an actor
Speaker 3: my whole life, or do I want to be in
Speaker 3: the industry in the meantime. And crazily enough, I'm in
Speaker 3: a house right after college with like five other roommates
Speaker 3: in Williamsburg and one of my roommates is complaining that
Speaker 3: she has too many internships, poor her and one of
Speaker 3: the internships is doing post production sound for film, and
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, I'll take your internship for you.
Speaker 3: So I just sort of like showed up. I just
Speaker 3: sort of got an internship without trying, and I literally
Speaker 3: work at that facility to this day, like twenty years later.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: That's how I wanted some kind of career in film
Speaker 3: while I pursued acting, and I like it just like
Speaker 3: fell into my lap.
Speaker 2: So that's amazing. Were you always like gifted with sound? I? I,
Speaker 2: you know, I dabbled with the music thing.
Speaker 3: I tell myself how to play guitars so I could
Speaker 3: sing sad lesbian folk songs to myself.
Speaker 2: Yes, my genre, made me know my genre.
Speaker 3: And in college, all the theater majors for our final production,
Speaker 3: we all had to do an aspect of the show
Speaker 3: aside from acting, and I was handed the sound and
Speaker 3: I learned it was like right around the time when
Speaker 3: sound was going super digital on computers, and I learned
Speaker 3: that you could like edit song in all these different
Speaker 3: ways that they weren't intended to be, and that you
Speaker 3: could see sound waves on a screen and cut and paste,
Speaker 3: and it was like it just blew my mind. So
Speaker 3: I was already kind of interested in it by the
Speaker 3: time I left college. So there you go.
Speaker 2: Definitely better than waiting tables.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, what are your pet peeves in sound? In
Speaker 2: terms of on set and then while you're watching something
Speaker 2: noticing things that bother you.
Speaker 3: Noisy props drive me crazy on set, Like a famous
Speaker 3: example was on Orange in the kitchen scenes, we all
Speaker 3: had these gloves on these like super plastic thin, like
Speaker 3: garbage bag like thickness plastic gloves and it's like the
Speaker 3: whole scene, all I could hear as an actor is
Speaker 3: that s and I was like, oh my god, the
Speaker 3: sound people must be going crazy with that, because like
Speaker 3: that's an impossible thing. Nobody wants that sound in the
Speaker 3: final you know, product of their shows or whatever. So yeah,
Speaker 3: often on set, I'll sort of notice the noisy props
Speaker 3: and you know, go through a whole internal monologue about
Speaker 3: it in my head about like what should we do,
Speaker 3: how should we work around it, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So well, let's get into how much noise that crucifix
Speaker 1: made before you shoved it into your bag. Sister Nina,
Speaker 1: this character we love, Like, you know, there was this
Speaker 1: character up until season twelve named Sister Peg who was
Speaker 1: like another nun played by Charlane Woodward, and she like,
Speaker 1: she really resonates with people, and I felt like you
Speaker 1: when you came.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, there's like a new Sister Peg.
Speaker 1: There's a new nun like who puts everything aside to
Speaker 1: help people and does it, you know.
Speaker 2: And then unfortunately, Sodi, you didn't make it. You didn't
Speaker 2: make it.
Speaker 1: No, but what an episode tell us, like tell us
Speaker 1: the SVU situation, because you had done two svus already,
Speaker 1: you were one of the tunnel people in the episod Control,
Speaker 1: which is.
Speaker 2: Another that we've done, yep, and then.
Speaker 1: Then you were in this big two parter in season seventeen.
Speaker 1: So at this point did they just bring you in
Speaker 1: for this one?
Speaker 3: I mean I auditioned, but okay, they really I mean
Speaker 3: it seemed like they were very excited about me. You know,
Speaker 3: they sought me out. I don't know if my agent
Speaker 3: manager sent sent the stuff. I think they sought me
Speaker 3: out for it. And I was kind of surprised, and
Speaker 3: I was kind of worried about getting it too, because
Speaker 3: it seemed like there was so much, you know, was
Speaker 3: that it was going to the dark side, like it
Speaker 3: was going to be a difficult role to play, and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is going to take a
Speaker 3: lot of energy. Yea, but yeah. So yeah, so third
Speaker 3: times the Charm, Yeah, And it was a blast because
Speaker 3: you know that the set is this beautifully well oiled machine,
Speaker 3: and it's just like, uh so they just know what
Speaker 3: they're doing in this way that is not necessarily the
Speaker 3: case in all shows and on film and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So it's always like a really wonderful experience to shoot
Speaker 3: with them.
Speaker 1: And did you feel that way, like because you're a
Speaker 1: person that did like season five and then season like
Speaker 1: I don't even know what sugar was like eight or something,
Speaker 1: and then seventeen, Like did you feel changes in the
Speaker 1: set like from the different times that you went.
Speaker 3: It was already so smoothly run by season five, Like
Speaker 3: I was only there for a half day, but if
Speaker 3: you think about it, I mean there was already the
Speaker 3: regular law and order, so they just inherited all that
Speaker 3: knowledge on how to do things quickly and well, and
Speaker 3: so it was just like it's actually quite intimidating at
Speaker 3: first because you're dropping and everybody knows each other, everybody
Speaker 3: knows what they're doing, and you're just this new person
Speaker 3: on set. But it was funny because Mariska, who I
Speaker 3: had scenes with in both of the previous episodes and
Speaker 3: like conversations with, but she still had no I had
Speaker 3: no idea who I was, come come this third round
Speaker 3: and then I think, I think maybe she'd recognize me
Speaker 3: now if she saw me based on this the sister
Speaker 3: Kelly Mina Kelly episode. Yeah, yeah, but it was funny.
Speaker 2: Was it hard not to be like Marishka we know
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then you think, oh my god, like the
Speaker 3: number of actors that she has had to interact with.
Speaker 3: It like twenty four seasons at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hundreds. It's hundreds of people.
Speaker 3: And she's dealing with like five at least five new
Speaker 3: actors every episode. I mean, like, forget it. I yeah,
Speaker 3: I had. I totally understood why she didn't realize and
Speaker 3: met me before.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure that's how people felt coming into Orange
Speaker 2: as well, because you guys, it seemed like had deep
Speaker 2: connections with each other.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean that's the thing Orange was. I
Speaker 3: was there. I think my first day of shooting was
Speaker 3: the second day of shooting overall, so we were all
Speaker 3: and and of course nothing had come out on Netflix
Speaker 3: yet except for a House of Cards, but that was
Speaker 3: like slightly different situation. But like we were, it was
Speaker 3: all just like a bunch of people being kind of
Speaker 3: excited and curious about like what this thing was we
Speaker 3: were creating, you know. And then of course once we
Speaker 3: got going and realized that it was a hit and everything,
Speaker 3: I think we were pretty we were pretty inclusive to
Speaker 3: to the to nubes, you know. Yeah, there, there weren't
Speaker 3: that many. You know, there were there were only a
Speaker 3: couple of new actors a season. Really, when you come.
Speaker 1: Right down to us, true, we're both like huge Orange fans.
Speaker 1: I know, we we want to I think we have
Speaker 1: orange stuff that we want to talk about in a sect,
Speaker 1: but I just want to ask more a few more
Speaker 1: SVU things.
Speaker 3: Oh please?
Speaker 1: So yeah, So getting into this role, were you just like,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a wild character because she's this
Speaker 1: like she has this like pure her religious heart. She
Speaker 1: wants to help people, but then everyone's gaslighting her like
Speaker 1: she's crazy. She knows that she's part of this big conspiracy,
Speaker 1: but kind of no one believes her.
Speaker 2: So like, how did you? I don't know, prep like,
Speaker 2: how did you get into it?
Speaker 3: You know, I think it's mostly just something that fits
Speaker 3: in my personality, the sort of anxiety paranoia thing. It's
Speaker 3: just like, uh, I think she has this line like
Speaker 3: I'm not crazy at some point I literally said that
Speaker 3: on an episode of Chicago Med last year, like I'm
Speaker 3: just cast as these like really neurotic, terrified human beings.
Speaker 1: So like, but they're they're crazy, They're not really ey, No.
Speaker 3: We just we just have this vein of tight anxiety
Speaker 3: that runs to us that people don't understand. Yes, it's
Speaker 3: it's it's my Jewish neurosis just bubbling up, but so
Speaker 3: like so so that those parts I think were just
Speaker 3: instant connection for me. And then I just had to
Speaker 3: pretend to be Catholic instead of Jewish, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go oh, there's a lot of guilt, I thnk
Speaker 1: on both sides.
Speaker 2: So it's how was it working with the baby baby Noah,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: The baby who was actually kind of big. I think
Speaker 3: it was like, because I'm a teeny weeny human being,
Speaker 3: I am five feet tall and I will always be
Speaker 3: five feet tall no matter how much I shrink as
Speaker 3: I age, I would be five feet tall and like barely,
Speaker 3: I'm not even one hundred pounds. I'm tiny, right, And
Speaker 3: had I had a newborn or one year old at
Speaker 3: that point, I can't remember how old she was, but
Speaker 3: still a very liftable child for me. And then I
Speaker 3: get on set and they want me to pick this
Speaker 3: kid up. And the kid's like, I mean, the kid's
Speaker 3: three or something, like a normally small kid. But for me,
Speaker 3: I was like, I've never lifted a child this big before.
Speaker 3: This is like I don't even know how to do it,
Speaker 3: and I kept sort of lifting him up by the
Speaker 3: crotch because that's what you do with babies. But it
Speaker 3: was it was super awkward. But I just kept thinking,
Speaker 3: don't drop the child. Just don't trap the child. Throughout
Speaker 3: all the scenes where I'm holding him, it's like my
Speaker 3: all I'm thinking about, like I'm barely getting my lines out,
Speaker 3: just don't trap the child. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the other scene I think about is you know
Speaker 2: the car chase and the murder obviously the woods. Can
Speaker 2: you tell us about shooting that scene?
Speaker 3: Well, the car chase is a funny one, okay, crazy.
Speaker 3: I being a New Yorker, I do have my driver's license,
Speaker 3: and I did drive while I was in college because
Speaker 3: it was outside of New York. But then, you know,
Speaker 3: the day I graduated, I came back to New York
Speaker 3: and didn't drive again. And like five years later I
Speaker 3: was like, oh I was I went to LA. My
Speaker 3: friend was going to lend me her stick shift. I
Speaker 3: was like, no problem, I drove a stick shift in college.
Speaker 3: All this is good. I'm on like some LA highway,
Speaker 3: like jerking and like completely like it was not like
Speaker 3: riding a bicycle. I was like, this feels very unsafe.
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm gonna do this anymore. And I
Speaker 3: pulled off to the side of the road and she
Speaker 3: had to like come rescue me. Point being that was
Speaker 3: sort of the last time I had driven before this episode,
Speaker 3: and like, so I get on set and I'm like, so,
Speaker 3: there's driving. I do have my driver's license. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure if I should have my driver's license.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And they were very cool about it, and they got
Speaker 3: the not the props person, the stunt person. They got
Speaker 3: the stunt person to sit in the car with me
Speaker 3: and get me like back up to snuff so that
Speaker 3: I could conceivably drive a car with a bunch of
Speaker 3: people in it down right a windy road.
Speaker 2: And it was a car.
Speaker 3: It was a minivan. Yeah, And so I have a
Speaker 3: feeling everybody in that car with me was a little
Speaker 3: nervous while I was doing all that.
Speaker 1: That to the performance, I feel like, because when you're
Speaker 1: being tailed, you're very nervous, you're very stressed.
Speaker 2: Ie.
Speaker 1: It was like a little bit of that and a
Speaker 1: little bit a little bit of acting and a little
Speaker 1: bit of real.
Speaker 3: Right, And if there's a jerky camera that's probably the
Speaker 3: tension of the cameraman knowing that the person behind the
Speaker 3: wheel hasn't been behind the wheel in ten years. But
Speaker 3: we all survived.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh and then the death right that was fun. I haven't,
Speaker 3: I haven't. I wanted my eyes to be open. I
Speaker 3: requested that my eyes be open because I thought that's
Speaker 3: sort of probably more likely how people die, right like
Speaker 3: when they're when they die violently.
Speaker 2: Their eyes still open.
Speaker 3: So for me that was just a little like in
Speaker 3: like how still can I be? You know?
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It was cool just looking up at the sky being
Speaker 3: a corpse for a little while. And then it was
Speaker 3: my lasting on set for that episode. I was I
Speaker 3: was such a like not a much less important character
Speaker 3: for that episode because I'm like how that it was
Speaker 3: this completely uneventful moment Like I was used to, oh,
Speaker 3: all right, that's a wrap on, Abbey. Yeah, everybody stopping
Speaker 3: and clapping and then you say thanks, thanks and go away.
Speaker 3: But this was just like okay, moving on, and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, okay, I guess three weeks of work
Speaker 3: that's over now, Okay.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It was funny after the like center of attention from
Speaker 3: Manhattan transfer to be like you know this like okay,
Speaker 3: she's wrapped. Get her out of here for the next episode. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was fun.
Speaker 2: Wow was speaking of the masturbader. She had some like
Speaker 2: fun highlights. Did you come in with those highlights or
Speaker 2: did they give you those hs?
Speaker 3: They totally gave them to me. Yeah, it was really
Speaker 3: funny they did. They gave me tons of my makeup too,
Speaker 3: and all I was like, you know, I don't really
Speaker 3: wear a lot of makeup, so it was really funny
Speaker 3: to see them be like, now, this girl's gonna be
Speaker 3: all like gothy, kind of punky, kind of way uh,
Speaker 3: way better than the horrific wig I had to wear
Speaker 3: at the beginning of Manhattan Transfer. I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, that long like uh yes, sexy galwig.
Speaker 3: If if yeh. But it was like it had never
Speaker 3: been brushed. It was all matted. It was more like
Speaker 3: a bunch of dead cats on my head than anything else.
Speaker 3: And even even the hair department was like, girl, we
Speaker 3: cannot do anything with this. It's just gonna sit there
Speaker 3: and then it's gonna be off and that's it. I
Speaker 3: think it was like a prop from the props department,
Speaker 3: not like something from the hair and nada. So it
Speaker 3: was just like, oh, okay.
Speaker 2: Well, I wonder if it was on purpose, Like maybe
Speaker 2: the nun didn't know about good wigs.
Speaker 3: Right, But hadn't she been undercover for like, yes, a
Speaker 3: really long time. You think you think that like she
Speaker 3: would have some cool like Bob, like you know what
Speaker 3: Uma Thurman has in pulp fiction or something.
Speaker 1: Like that, Natalie Portman style, like yeah, undercover Bob.
Speaker 2: Yeah, instead of it's like, I do have another hair
Speaker 2: and makeup question, But this is for your Tunnel character
Speaker 2: Dot from Control. What was the soot like eyeshadow?
Speaker 3: Okay, but you know what's what's super funny about that one? Again?
Speaker 3: This is the insider.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I had just whitened my teeth like three weeks previous
Speaker 3: or something like before the before the character was even
Speaker 3: you know, before the audition. So I get to set
Speaker 3: and they put all this crap all over me, but
Speaker 3: they never like did anything to my teeth. So like
Speaker 3: if you watch that seat again, like everytime I opened
Speaker 3: my mouth, I have these like perfectly bright white, like
Speaker 3: knon teeth sticking out of this like dirty grubby face.
Speaker 1: Maybe Dot was dedicated to dental hygiene and nothing else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go. I guess she wasn't a meth head.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was figuring out a way to brush down
Speaker 2: in the tunnels. Right Where did you shoot the tunnels too,
Speaker 2: because those looked scary and dark? Was it just in
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 3: It was an abandoned subway track a legit. I think
Speaker 3: it was an L train abandoned L train subway track somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was cool.
Speaker 3: That's like one of my favorite parts of shooting is
Speaker 3: when you're on location in really weird places like so
Speaker 3: that was super cool. And then you know, a lot
Speaker 3: of the shooting of Orange took place in an abandoned
Speaker 3: children's mental institution. Yeah, so there were ghost ghosts. I
Speaker 3: mean I think so, but I mean in a more
Speaker 3: tangible way too, because like when we first got on set,
Speaker 3: like they hadn't completely cleared the place out, like when
Speaker 3: it stopped. So you would go into this room and
Speaker 3: there were like still stickers on the walls, and there
Speaker 3: was like a sleeping bag in the corner and like
Speaker 3: and then there was this Yeah, we were held for
Speaker 3: like a scene that was going to be in the yards,
Speaker 3: and like we were in some shock and it was
Speaker 3: where like all the files were like the case files
Speaker 3: for the kids or something. It was just boxes and
Speaker 3: boxes of these kids case files just gathering dust. And
Speaker 3: I was just like I could have easily Like it's
Speaker 3: I could have wandered off and just explored the whole
Speaker 3: the whole location.
Speaker 1: So I see you worked on this sound for something
Speaker 1: called Monster Factory.
Speaker 3: Yes, Monster Factory, that's right. It was just fascinating. It's
Speaker 3: it's this guy who trains people to become pro wrestlers.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, so he gives them like he gives them, yes,
Speaker 3: all the moves and all the physical stuff, like how
Speaker 3: to do all of the you know, physical stuff, but
Speaker 3: also like how to create a character, how to have
Speaker 3: a personal narrative that drives, you know, people to want
Speaker 3: to root for you or against you. Like he's it's
Speaker 3: it's like in his head is some giant encyclopedia of
Speaker 3: like the history of pro wrestling and like how to
Speaker 3: create the magic. And I don't watch pro wrestling. I
Speaker 3: never have, but like you root for all of these kids,
Speaker 3: like they're just like one wonderful person after another trying
Speaker 3: to like pursue their dreams of being a pro wrestler.
Speaker 3: It's just it's a really freaking good show.
Speaker 2: But you got to get Apple plus to a guy.
Speaker 3: It's a real guy in New Jersey.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a reality show.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, yeah, it's a DOCUI docuseries. That sounds much
Speaker 1: more serious. Sorry, we don't mean reality show like the
Speaker 1: stuff we watch. We mean that, yeah, more serious.
Speaker 2: Is there a difference in doing sound for like a
Speaker 2: nonscripted and scripted or like, did you do animated too
Speaker 2: or not? What's how? What's how are they all different? Well?
Speaker 3: Uh, documentary is the most straightforward because you just want
Speaker 3: to sort of fill in the film, fill in the
Speaker 3: world a little bit and get everything covered. But you know,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of talking heads and like after you
Speaker 3: put in a room tone, like what else is there.
Speaker 3: I don't do dialogue editing, which is like the sound
Speaker 3: that's been recorded on set, somebody goes in and they
Speaker 3: clean it up and make it sound really good. I
Speaker 3: do adding all the extra stuff, so I always use yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: wow yeah, And so I do foley and effects and
Speaker 3: backgrounds basically. So the documentary is very straightforward, pretty easy.
Speaker 3: When well, I don't, I edit the folly and now
Speaker 3: a lot of the fully that I do I generate
Speaker 3: off of my keyboard. Like we have this library, Like
Speaker 3: I make all of my footsteps by doing this on
Speaker 3: my keyboard, and it generates sounds of somebody actually walking.
Speaker 3: But then it's like in sync to the person on
Speaker 3: screen and it's like boom, it's done. See this is
Speaker 3: why I think so is so cool. Like I do
Speaker 3: crazy stuff with my keyboard, Like I can transform my
Speaker 3: voice into like a howling dog if I need a
Speaker 3: howling dog or whatever. Anyway, I won't get into it
Speaker 3: because not everyone is that interested.
Speaker 2: I follow fully artists on Instagram. Oh yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 2: I watched them, like do make this? I like that.
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean we used to record fully we had a
Speaker 3: fully pit and everything, but then we've accumulated all these
Speaker 3: sounds over the years, so I can just get them
Speaker 3: from my sound library. And then the question was like, well,
Speaker 3: how do I get it to like fall in sync
Speaker 3: into picture in a timely manner if it's like just
Speaker 3: in a sound library, and so, like we trigger the
Speaker 3: sounds and it's the same thing that people do, you
Speaker 3: know in the back in the back room during a play, right,
Speaker 3: you trigger all these sound effects as they go in
Speaker 3: real time. So now that's how I do like seventy
Speaker 3: percent of my fully for everything, and anyway, feature films
Speaker 3: are a little more creative and full right and extensive,
Speaker 3: and then animated film you have to sort of do everything,
Speaker 3: So animated is definitely the hardest, is the final answer
Speaker 3: to animations.
Speaker 2: The hardest. Feature film is the most creative, and the
Speaker 2: doc is just quite straightforward.
Speaker 1: So besides Monster Factory, besides Monster Factory coming out, do
Speaker 1: you have any other like projects in the works, anything
Speaker 1: else you want to our listeners should look out for.
Speaker 3: I just started working, you know, mostly I do the
Speaker 3: sound editing, and then every now and then I'm lucky
Speaker 3: and I do the acting. So the last acting gig
Speaker 3: I did with Chicago meta year ago. So if they
Speaker 3: want to see me be hysterical and insist that I'm
Speaker 3: not crazy in another show, Yeah, that's right, Another dick Wolf.
Speaker 1: When you're in the dick Wolf universe, that's always great.
Speaker 1: They'll bring you back to all the different shows. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that Order regular is back. I mean there's plenty
Speaker 1: of places.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never done a regular Law and Orders bring
Speaker 3: it on, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then sound wise, I just started work on a
Speaker 3: Disney series that I probably am not allowed to like
Speaker 3: be too specific about uh, but I can. I guess
Speaker 3: I can say. It's about a kid's choir. It's another
Speaker 3: docu series, and it's like just like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I love these kids, and it's it's very again like
Speaker 3: this just group of people you're totally rooting for. Oh
Speaker 3: so that's a lovely thing too. Yeah, look out for eventually.
Speaker 2: Well, guys, thank you for you.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, she's great. I love somebody that has
Speaker 1: two full careers. It's amazing good work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just cool to be to hear someone
Speaker 2: that the room tone is for them. Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: I don't even understand what that is like really, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, like, okay, we're being quiet for room tone,
Speaker 1: but I don't really get what they do with it.
Speaker 2: Well, she was explained like when they're like when you
Speaker 2: need it to just be quiet, but you're filming like
Speaker 2: you're entering the room before dialogue or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we gotta do room town. Yeah, and the smashing. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I love folly artists so much, but I
Speaker 2: was you know, I told you about Quentin Tarantino had
Speaker 2: this editor who passed away. Sally and so I saw
Speaker 2: that during editing, like there was a whole montage of
Speaker 2: all the actors from all those movies, like during work
Speaker 2: being like Hey, Sally, what's up Sally? And I just
Speaker 2: hung out with someone that edits movies and like they
Speaker 2: works for Happy Madison, and they said like people would
Speaker 2: do that for them, like they would be like hi,
Speaker 2: because they know who who was editing the movies. And
Speaker 2: so she said that she keeps them like people saying
Speaker 2: hi to them, And so now I want to it's
Speaker 2: like a little real of it. That's cute. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: now I like it's cool, like I want to think
Speaker 2: about who's editing and make a little cute moments because I.
Speaker 1: Do remember people are sitting alone in a dark avid
Speaker 1: for like hours and days and months and you're like Hi,
Speaker 1: it's me.
Speaker 2: Just want to say hi. Because I do remember Michelle
Speaker 2: at one point being like I like this, take like
Speaker 2: into her mic or like I pick this, ye, but
Speaker 2: I like the idea of cute little messages. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure. So cute. And and Abigail, forever, we will
Speaker 2: be calling all of our oranges the new black people Pokemon.
Speaker 2: We will catch them all. And I'm obsessed with that,
Speaker 2: I'm running with it, I'm picking it out it and
Speaker 2: I'm running.
Speaker 1: Yes, totally. So what have we learned from this episode?
Speaker 1: I would say that, uh, people at the highest levels
Speaker 1: of power, judges, politicians are all doing fucked up shit. Basically,
Speaker 1: they're all at parties where a nun is bartending in
Speaker 1: a bad wig.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's so small. The nuns are good,
Speaker 2: like they do good. They're on the boots on the ground,
Speaker 2: and the nuns are boots on the ground, and then
Speaker 2: all these fucking losers. I mean, I always say this,
Speaker 2: I think people that are so into getting power and
Speaker 2: money or pedophiles or abusers or rapists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's not like nuns have like a hierarchy
Speaker 1: in the same way.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Probably don't know because I don't like I know that
Speaker 1: there's like a mother superior or whatever from sound of
Speaker 1: Music is my literal reference point. But like I know
Speaker 1: that there's probably a head nun or whatever. But it's
Speaker 1: not like they're trying to move their way up from
Speaker 1: like a bishop to cardinal to fucking pope or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, Like there's not like a power struggle. Nuns
Speaker 1: are truly just like we want to help people, unless
Speaker 1: if you know something different, please let me know. If
Speaker 1: it turns out nuns have like turned the other cheek
Speaker 1: about molestation and stuff or have been part of it,
Speaker 1: please let us know.
Speaker 2: But as far as.
Speaker 1: I know, like, it feels like it's definite nuns like
Speaker 1: hit you with the roller. Yes, but that was like
Speaker 1: that was the way my mom went to Catholic school
Speaker 1: and it was on the desk. Okay, well, let's this
Speaker 1: is obviously an amazing more we've learned more.
Speaker 2: Well, this is an amazing two parter.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's more at the end of the
Speaker 1: next episode, you know.
Speaker 2: And we talked up top a lot about law roach
Speaker 2: for a wildly so maybe we just move it along.
Speaker 2: We learned nothing. No, it's a two part episode. Obviously,
Speaker 2: come back next week because we will.
Speaker 1: We're going to get the second half and we have
Speaker 1: an awesome guest next week too, and then let's get out.
Speaker 2: Of this week sadder crime like this is superhero nuns
Speaker 2: and then next week is not great dead nuns, dead nuts,
Speaker 2: so sad. But for this week's what would Sister Peg Do?
Speaker 1: Which is our weekly segment where we point you guys
Speaker 1: to organization, blog, podcast, something, Instagram account, something that helps
Speaker 1: flesh out a little bit more about what we talked
Speaker 1: about today. We wanted to just point you to the
Speaker 1: organization that LeadSA talked directly about in the episode, Talitha kOhm,
Speaker 1: like she mentioned, Talitha Kum is an umbrella network of
Speaker 1: sister led networks striving to end human trafficking. And they
Speaker 1: are active on five continents and coordinate the anti traffic
Speaker 1: efforts of fifty intercongregational networks. And for more information you
Speaker 1: can go to Talitha Koom dot info and that's t
Speaker 1: A l I t h a kum dot info. And
Speaker 1: I love that they have a little website. I wonder
Speaker 1: which none is like the the nerdy tech nun anyway, that's.
Speaker 2: That they're like Pokemon too. Okay, next week's episode, like
Speaker 2: we've been hinting at, is Unholiest Alliance, which is season seventeen,
Speaker 2: episode eighteen. Just the next one. And I'm sure some
Speaker 2: of you just watch watch Growth because it's hard not to.
Speaker 2: It is wild sometimes when we do research and then
Speaker 2: I'll be like I'm just watching this one little part
Speaker 2: and then I'm like I'm watching it at all, Baby,
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