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Speaker 1: Ron Andanian. We've got cars with safety devices, and we're

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Speaker 1: creating devices that impede our ability to see and then

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Speaker 1: I actually opened it up and looked inside with not honeycomb,

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Speaker 1: This is old. Is old. Welcome to the radio home

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Speaker 1: of Ron and Anian the Car Doctor. Since this is

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Speaker 1: opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a

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Speaker 1: your calls at eight five five six and now he running. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Ronan any in the Car Doctor and without any further Ado,

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Speaker 1: let's kick the garage doors open. Let's go over to

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Speaker 1: Mark and Lacrosse, Wisconsin nine Silverado and I know start Mark.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the car doctor. How can I help? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got a well, like you said, the Silverado that

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Speaker 1: drop that or even get it booked into a QUDA yet.

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Speaker 1: Well let's let's just yeah, you're on You're on the

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Speaker 1: right track. I mean, you're thinking the right ways. Mark

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Speaker 1: you know this is it turns over Okay, it's got

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Speaker 1: good cranking speed. Yeah, okay. And it was it a

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Speaker 1: case that you you were driving a Tuesday and you

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Speaker 1: went out to start it on Wednesday and it just

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Speaker 1: for a while. No, it was I was driving a Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: I stopped to load it up, and when I went

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, you know, let's let's go through basics. Um,

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Speaker 1: if you turn the key on without cranking it, does

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Speaker 1: if the bulb lights up. It's usually an indicator that

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Speaker 1: the computer is awake, all right. Usually the bulbs will

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Speaker 1: then go out. If they don't light up, it's usually

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Speaker 1: a right everything okay. And then with the other I

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Speaker 1: prime in itself, right, and it does. It makes a noise.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to be the noise that I remember

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Speaker 1: you know, did the fuel pump die? And that's you

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Speaker 1: know how many miles are on this I'm sure it's higher.

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Speaker 1: So it's do a fuel pump if that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: Because this generation GM, if you bring up our PM

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Speaker 1: Get out. You've got an Orallyota Parts near you, Yes,

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Speaker 1: the engine. It's it simulates the condition and you probably

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Speaker 1: don't see any external injectors. Correct. This has the big

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Speaker 1: week Friday, I think it. Say it's going to be here. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you find, all right, kiddo. Well, we'll hold a spot

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Speaker 1: right to the front of the line. Okay, you're very welcome. Um,

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Speaker 1: you're very very welcome. So hey, let's do a quick

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Speaker 1: piece of email. Hey, Ron, I've got some pictures that

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Speaker 1: from a mechanic. I can't get one from mine because

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Speaker 1: of excessive tire wear? Could this be shocks pushing his

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Speaker 1: alignment on a two thousand g m C yukon one

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Speaker 1: transmission and upper engine rebuilding? Not bad for the Vortec

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Speaker 1: five three TI. Rods and ball joints are tight. Wheel

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Speaker 1: bearings are good. Tire has wear pattern on the inside

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Speaker 1: that resembles scaloping and cuping. Not feathering. Unfortunately, use photos

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Speaker 1: don't show the scaloping well, but I felt it and

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Speaker 1: seen it only happens on the front, the driver's side

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Speaker 1: more than the passenger. Last wheel alignment at three shocks

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Speaker 1: at three fifty two, but I've noticed an even tireware

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Speaker 1: since to seventy thoughts, Um, thanks for the education over

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Speaker 1: on podcast, Eric Bean Um. Eric looking at the tireware

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Speaker 1: and it's hard for me obviously, sure everybody else the

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Speaker 1: tirewaar here on air, but looking at the tire ware

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Speaker 1: thinking about shocks and bushings and you know, do we

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Speaker 1: anything excessive? Um? I would also be looking at springs.

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Speaker 1: spring side the side, especially at this mileage? Something? And

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Speaker 1: When I get something that scalops, I'll actually have somebody

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Speaker 1: Ricardo hitting the bongo drum Da da da da da

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Speaker 1: My ven Ranger has a bad inner axle beam bushing,

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Speaker 1: a heck of a bounce and escalloping issue, just like

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Speaker 1: you're describing, so by all means tackle it. From that perspective,

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Speaker 1: I would think more in terms of suspension and suspension

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Speaker 1: than loose or tight components. And obviously how well is

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Speaker 1: the alignment done. I appreciate the question. Zero. We're coming

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Speaker 1: jingling around in the back. Lucy you there, Yeah, good girl? Okay, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: a misfire. Hey John, Welcome to the car doctor. How

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Speaker 1: can I help? Hey Ron? How are you doing? Good sir?

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Hey? So I got a a chord

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Speaker 1: stem and their umbrellas nowhere. You are an old school mechanic,

425
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 1: Carl believe, absolutely believe. And I grew up on Mopar

426
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: flathead and Chevy Babbock Pounder sixes, and I will love

427
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 1: them what you start working on cars, brother UM nine

428
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: three four was then sixteen, and I still am. Between

429
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: the years, I never grew up. I was a Ford

430
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 1: engineer who never owned a Ford products. So there, so

431
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: you got away to run. May I ask your question

432
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: some weeks ago because I've heard you since the end

433
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: of sixteen and your appointment Sunday morning period, I've never

434
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:27,719
Speaker 1: missed you cited acronyms on vehicle initial names, and I

435
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: missed the one about B DUB. You're gonna get it

436
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 1: stand for excited hondable, last call, You're gonna get me

437
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: in trouble Carl. You know everybody hates it when I

438
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: do this, don't you know what v W stands for?

439
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm asking virtually worthless? I had the three diesel rabbits

440
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: from a D one, the third being for the missus,

441
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: and the only question about those vehicles and four where

442
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 1: when do we leave and where do we go? Yeah? Um,

443
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: Volkswagen is one of those car comp and he's that

444
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: I think over the years has lost their way. I

445
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, they really have. And that's that's when

446
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: v W became that to me. I had a very

447
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,239
Speaker 1: I have a very dear friend. We we grew up,

448
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: we were we were fifteen sixteen years old, started working

449
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: on cars together. Russell, he's down in North Carolina now,

450
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: and you know, he was the Volkswagen king and I

451
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: was the Chevy guy. And you know, Russell transformed and

452
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: morphed into the VW dealership and I grew into an

453
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: independent repair shop. When Russell got out of Volkswagen's fifteen

454
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: almost twenty years ago now, and I looked at him,

455
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: and this was after he was in it for almost

456
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: thirty thirty, I said, you know, made my memory and

457
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: the time spans a little convoluted there. But I said

458
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: why And he said, because they've lost their way. He said,

459
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: they're just he said, they're just neck deep in electronics

460
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: that they can't even diagnose, and they can't give us

461
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: explanations or answers on how to fix anything. And it's

462
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: only gonna get worse in time, and and actively the

463
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 1: more if it's there but can't fail. And look at

464
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: the heated cup holders and UH parking a system. The

465
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: more you have, the more you have to fail. Also

466
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: partially X railroad diesel and if it's not there, it

467
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: can't break simple. I just read her. I just read

468
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: a report in a class by Steve Zach from Bosch Automotive,

469
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: and Steve's a personal friend also and he just wrote

470
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: he just wrote a class about lane departure warning and

471
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: advanced radar control for how they're going to get cars

472
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: to manipulate maneuver out on the highways and byways. And

473
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: it's it's staggering the the amount of technology. It's I'm

474
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: reading the report and to me, it's like you're reading

475
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: the review of a fighter jet and I can't imagine

476
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: what a fighter jet is like if this is what

477
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: it takes to control of the car with with radar

478
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: through the glass. And to the point that you can't

479
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: use um you know how we we we use rain

480
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: X from time to time. You can't use rain X

481
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: on a car with radar are and collision avoidance because

482
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: the rain cks will actually affect how the radar quality

483
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: is and it can cause the car to skew and

484
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: it won't do what it's supposed to do. So you know,

485
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: schmir on the windshield will affect the stability of the

486
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: car self driving. In other ones, where are we going? Well,

487
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: you know we really to three and four one formacle

488
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: were their set the engines with the air intake that

489
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: it was forbidden to clean them with any fuel solvent

490
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: because it would dissolve but tephla and make them stick

491
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: to us was a great I guess we were picking dad. Now, listen,

492
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: I remember I remember the decal on the throttle bodies

493
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: and it was a yellow decal black inc. And they

494
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: would have a decal lender that says throttle body not

495
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: to be cleaned may cause damage. So you wouldn't clean it.

496
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: And guess what three years later the car would come

497
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: in wheezing and gagging, installing, and what did you do?

498
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: You clean the throttle body because by then somebody came

499
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: out with a non cost of cleaner that wouldn't hurt anything,

500
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: and you were gingerly about it, and you fix the car.

501
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: You know, all this technology and we'll we'll leave it here.

502
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 1: All this technology, Carl is great. But the problem is

503
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: every time we create something new, something whiz bang, something

504
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: phenomenal over the top, where we're we're increasing the circumference

505
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: of knowledge that's needed in order to repair it, and

506
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: we don't give it enough time in the in the

507
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: practice tank. And basically, consumers become the beta testers for

508
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: today's car companies to decide does the product really work.

509
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: That's why when you see a good car, you buy

510
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: a good car. There's a couple of them out there. Um,

511
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: I see from time to time that really get it right, Carl,

512
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: I appreciate the car, and I appreciate your comments and thoughts,

513
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: and you have yourself a good rest of the weekend.

514
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: Zero zero run name the car Doctor. Coming back right

515
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: after this, She's real. Find my phone life, She's real,

516
00:27:52,359 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: find my phone, my phone back the car Doctor. That's

517
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: why cars from the sixties and the seventies were great.

518
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: Nobody's making rock songs up about She's real. Find my

519
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: Volkswagen Rabbit, right, I mean, just you don't hear anybody

520
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: talking about it and revving it up and recording it

521
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: on a soundtrack. So anyway, let's get on. Just I

522
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: couldn't resist. Let's go and talk to Harley north Sutton,

523
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: New Hampshire with pro Harley, Welcome to the car Doctor.

524
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: How can I help? Yeah, Ron, I have a Ford

525
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: probe GT. I know, unfortunate name, but I didn't name it.

526
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: Uh at any rate. UM field pump didn't work. I

527
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: dropped the tank down, put a new field pump in it.

528
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: Um the filler UH was rusted out. Got a new

529
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: one of those, put that in. Put everything back together,

530
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: turn the key and no field pump. Still no fuel pump.

531
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: So the question becomes, do we have a problem. We've

532
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: got to have a power from with power leading up

533
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: to the pump. Now, yeah, it's a brown wire coming

534
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: out the PCM. Um, well it's it's the fuel pump

535
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: on that is going to be fed off the fuel

536
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: pump relay going through the inertia switch. Have you have

537
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: you tried resetting the inertia switch just for giggles? Oh? Yeah, yeah? Um,

538
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: do you have power going into the inersees switch through

539
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: the from the relay? I do you do? So? Do

540
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: you have power at the fuel pump itself? No? I don't,

541
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: so where's it getting lost? That's what? Yeah, that's exactly.

542
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if it's the question. I checked the PCM.

543
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,719
Speaker 1: The PCM seems to be all right because I am

544
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: getting power through that brown wire and then it goes

545
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: into my relay and somehow it gets lost from there,

546
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if there was something to do with

547
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: the I don't know the chiming. Um, I know the

548
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: guy that had it before me put a new belt

549
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: in it. No, no, no, no, listen, the let's let's

550
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: let's go back to basics. Okay, UM, think of it

551
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: like this, and this is this is you know, you

552
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: don't you don't hear me say this is a mandate.

553
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: This is a mandate. This is the way it works.

554
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: On a ford, you turn that you turn that key

555
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: to the on position. If the PCM has the ability

556
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: to wake up before you crank it, it will energize

557
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: the PCM. The PCM relay wakes up, which then energized

558
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: the fuel pump relay all right, which then energizes the

559
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: fuel pump. If the PCM doesn't c RPM for you know,

560
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: after a two to four second time period, it turns.

561
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: It turns the pump off. So you know, nothing else

562
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: has any bearing here. It's not a camp timing issue

563
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: or anything like that. It's it's got one's got nothing

564
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: to do with the other. UM. If if we've got

565
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: if the fuel pump relay is being energized, all right,

566
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: there's that's telling me then that you know, the fuel

567
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: pump relay feeds off of UM. It comes down off

568
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: the relay, It feeds through the white yellow and comes

569
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: out the white yellow and goes down out the blue

570
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: which then feeds the fuel pump is what I remember

571
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: right on the wiring diagram. Well, the fuel pump relay

572
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: is not being charged. Okay, so the fuel pump relay

573
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: is not being not being uh not being hit with juice.

574
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: It's not clicking. So if that's the case, how do

575
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: you know you just don't have a bad fuel pump relay.

576
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: I bought another one offline and you plug down. I

577
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: put that in there, and actually I had another one

578
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: sitting around. I tried that. That didn't work either. I

579
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: thought maybe that was a bad one, so I went

580
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: online and picked one up. Now, if you ground the

581
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: fuel pump relayed as the pump run, I can jump it. Okay,

582
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 1: you can jump it in the pump runs. Yes, So

583
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: you're not getting signal out of the PCM. Apparently not.

584
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: But there is that wire coming up out of the

585
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: PCM that I am getting a slight voltage that's supposed

586
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: to energize the fuel pump relay and it's and it's

587
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: not energizing. And I'm wondering if I have a bad

588
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: ground somewhere. Very possible that that ground, if I remember right,

589
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: it goes into splice two eight six coming off the

590
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: fuel pump relay. It joins to the data link connector.

591
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: But that's a light green wire at the data link connector.

592
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken, you can ground that green

593
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: wire and verify this of the wiring diagram. You can

594
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: ground that light green wire or that that yeah, that

595
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: light green wire and the fuel pump relay should close

596
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: that light green wire. I should ground and make sure

597
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: it's make sure it has around right. Look at look

598
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: at you know, do me a favor, look at the

599
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: look at a wiring diagram because we're fooling around with

600
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: wires and computers here and I'm going off memory three

601
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: of them. So yeah, okay, let's take a look at it.

602
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: But you've got you know. First thing we want to

603
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: do is do we have power coming into the relay

604
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: on the control side and then the feed side boomed one.

605
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: We've got power all right. Then we want to know

606
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: what's you know, if we energize the relay, if we

607
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: provide ground to the relay, ground is ground relays a relay.

608
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: If we provide ground to the relay, does the relay

609
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: energize and if it does, will it flow current and

610
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: voltage through the inertia switch? Out to the pump. At

611
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: that point, the pump's gotta run. All right. If the

612
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: pump doesn't run, what's the pump missing? The pump's got power,

613
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: doesn't have ground? Well, like I said, I can jump it.

614
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: There is a i'll there's a control box just to

615
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: the uh light side the front of the vehicle. Um.

616
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: You flip it open and there's like uh five or

617
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: seven wire. No, no, tell you what, Harley, Let me

618
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: pull over. Take this pause. I don't want I don't

619
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: want to dump this call. Stay right where you are, Bib,

620
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: don't go away. Let me let me go out and

621
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: do this and come right back. I'm running any of

622
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: the car doctor. Don't go anywhere. Hey, welcome back running

623
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: the end of car doctor. Real quick. We're on a

624
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: time stretcher. Let's get back to Harley. Harley. You're there, Harley. Okay,

625
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: so listen, babe, I got a couple of minutes, not much,

626
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: so let's let's do it like this. The data link

627
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: connector on the driver's side fender, right, you know where

628
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm talking. Yeah, I think that's referring to Okay, it's

629
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: got a light green wire on pin twenty two. All right,

630
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: you should be able to ground that light green wire.

631
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: All right, Well you should jump for that to ground

632
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: and the fuel pump should run, does it? So? If

633
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: the fuel pump runs, if it runs when it's grounded,

634
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: then you want to make sure that the light green

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Speaker 1: wire between that connector and the PCM the powertrain control

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Speaker 1: module on. Just check it for an open circuit. Did

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Speaker 1: the wire get cut? Isn't a bad connection? If that

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Speaker 1: wire can be grounded and the fuel pump relay activates, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you might have a bad PCM. The driver and the

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Speaker 1: PCM might be bad. Should then you gotta start some

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Speaker 1: PCM diagnostics. The way I would go about that, or

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Speaker 1: part of what I would do to include that, is

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Speaker 1: I would verify. You've got to verify power and grounds

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Speaker 1: going into the PCM. All right. If you've got power

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Speaker 1: and grounds going into the PCM, and if I remember right,

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Speaker 1: there's three powers and four grounds I can't recall at

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Speaker 1: the top of my head, but there's more than a few.

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Speaker 1: Get a w airing diagram. If you've got all your

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Speaker 1: powers and grounds and it sounds like a bad PCM

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Speaker 1: at that point that it lost the driver on that

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Speaker 1: leg of the circuit. No real quick Harley. Yeah, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: go ahead. No, you're gonna say something. I was wondering,

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Speaker 1: Can I get that PCM reflashed? Yes, for it is

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Speaker 1: by far the easiest PCM to get flashed. There are

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Speaker 1: a couple of places out there selling used both. Getting

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Speaker 1: yours reflashed to fix it. No, that PCM is likely

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Speaker 1: bad and we'll require replacements. So diagnose it and if

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Speaker 1: you have any doubts, call me next week and we'll

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Speaker 1: go over it again. I'm on anating of the car doctor.

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Speaker 1: The mechanics aren't expensive. Their prices to see you