1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff production of I Heart Radio. Hey 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 1: brain Stuff, I'm Lauren Vogue Bomb and this this is 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: a classic brain Stuff episode. Volcanic eruptions can be one 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: of Earth's mightiest disasters, but we humans are pretty mighty too, 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: So we got to wondering could we one day control volcanoes? 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: Hi brain Stuff, Lauren Vogelbaum here. When Alaska's Pavlof volcano 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: erupted in March of it ejected a cloud of ash 8 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: four hundred miles or sixty high. The stream of sharp, 9 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: powdered rocks shut down air travel and major highways. Then 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: twice in May and July, the U S Geological Survey 11 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: raised the alert level for Pavlov which seems ready to 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: do it again, but then they downgraded it in August. 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: Volcanic eruptions are notoriously unpredictable. Hans Lechner, a doctorial candidate 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: in geology and engineering sciences at Michigan Technological University, says 15 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: volcanologists have figured out the timing yet, He wrote via email, 16 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: a volcano may show all the signs of an impending eruption, 17 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: increased seismicity, high gas flux, surface deformation, but then never 18 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 1: actually erupt and over time return back to baseline levels, 19 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: or he says, it can show none of the signs 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: of an impending eruption and then erupt. There are those 21 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: in the field who muse about going on the offensive, 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: the volcanic preemptive strike, if you will. The idea is 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: humans somehow modify the eruption process, either by initiating an 24 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: eruption under controlled conditions, or by downgrading the energy of 25 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: an impending eruption to limit the resulting damage. The energy 26 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: involved in a volcanic eruption defies the imagination. Italy's infamous 27 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: Mount Etnas spewed about three cubic feet that's ten cubic 28 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: meters of lava per second during its four month eruption 29 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: in three lets Know reports that in nine, Mount Pinatubo's 30 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: initial blast ejected about two point four cubic miles or 31 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: ten cubic kilometers of material to an altitude of about 32 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: twenty five miles or forty kilometers. He says that magma 33 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: represents massive amounts of energy. It originates deep inside the Earth, 34 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: where extreme temperatures and pressures can melt rock. Molten rock, 35 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: or magma is lighter than solid rock, so it rises, 36 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: forming a magma chamber that moves upward through Earth's crust. 37 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: As the volume of magma grows, the pressure in the 38 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: chamber increases, forcing magma through the volcanoes vents tubes formed 39 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: by prior eruptions sealed at the surface by a lid 40 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: of rock. If the pressure gets high enough and Event 41 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: suddenly opens to the atmosphere, the rapid depressurization causes gases 42 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: to come out of solution, which causes the magma to explode. 43 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: It spews through the open vents, along with pulverized rock, steam, 44 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: and various gases. In the case of Mount Saint Helen's 45 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: in Lechener says that extreme pressure had forced Event lid 46 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: to bulge outward, a classic sign of impending eruption, and 47 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: a landslide took it off to modify that eruption. Lechner theorizes, 48 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: I suppose humans could have triggered the landslide or removed 49 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: the overburden lid through say excavation or even donating a 50 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: nuclear device. Of course, Newton, a volcano should not be 51 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: anyone's first plan, and drilling into the magma chamber to 52 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: release the pressures out too. Volcanologist Eric Cleametti, writing on 53 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: Wired in, likened that theory to trying to bleed to 54 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: death with a needle prick. But we couldn't avert an 55 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: eruption by slowly depressurizing the chamber either. Lechner wrote, we 56 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: have to get past the misconception that a magma chamber 57 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: is like a fluid filled balloon or soda bottle that 58 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 1: we can gently insert a straw and suck out the 59 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: lava and gas. We're talking about pressures and volumes of 60 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: material that are beyond the capacity of man made equipment. 61 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: He says, would have to drill down several kilometers with 62 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: massive pipes hundreds of meters in diameter to handle the 63 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: volcanic output that would rush from the chamber. The pipes 64 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: would have to withstand temperatures above three thousand, six hundred 65 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: degrees fahrenheit that's two thousand degrees celsius, and pressures quote 66 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: beyond our capabilities to manage and even comprehend. And then 67 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: he adds there would still be the gases held in 68 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: solution and by the pressure of the chamber that escape 69 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: violently when the chamber depressurized. Generally speaking, it seems the 70 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: main problem facing human modication of volcanic eruptions is that 71 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: it's laughably impossible. Volcanoes are too big and volcanic eruptions 72 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: are too powerful. Yet, says Janet Bab, geologist with the 73 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: U s GS Hawaiian Volcano Observatory, humanity is not completely 74 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: without modification options. Bab rope via email. Humans cannot stop 75 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: or control an eruption, but we have taken some actions 76 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: to control products erupted from a volcano. Diverting lava flows. 77 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: For instance, Bab points to Mount Etna and that three 78 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: eruption mentioned earlier, which sent lava flowing into populated areas. 79 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: With the lava flow threatening to overrun three towns, hundreds 80 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: of workers desperately constructed a system of massive rebel barriers 81 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,119 Speaker 1: to redirect it, and it worked. They successfully diverted the lava. 82 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: Attempts to guide lava flows by bombing them have generally failed. 83 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: Cooling them has shown promise, though. In Vree, the lava 84 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: from a volcano on the Icelandic island of Haymi was 85 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: flowing into towns. Officials built barriers to stop its progress 86 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: and dumped seawater on the lava to cool it. Down, 87 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: slow the flow, and help it harden the barriers held 88 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: against the lower energy lava flow. As for exerting control 89 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: before the lava starts flowing, Lechner says it's mostly science 90 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: fiction daydreaming. Volcanology research instead focuses on advancing methods of 91 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: monitoring and prediction. However, he writes, it's not absurd to 92 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: think that our own hubrists might encourage us to attempt 93 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: to modify a volcanic eruption. Humans have a history of 94 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: large scale engineering feats that have forever modified the service 95 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: of the Earth. Today's episode was written by Julia Layton 96 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: and produced by Tristan McNeil and Tyler Playing. For more 97 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: on this and lots of other explosive topics, visit how 98 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: stuffworks dot com. Brain Stuff is production of I Heart 99 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: Radio or more podcasts. 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