WEBVTT - Invention Playlist II: Braille

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Invention. My name is Robert lamp and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Joe McCormick and Robert. You know what, I am

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<v Speaker 1>excited today because I feel like this episode of Invention

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be something that I haven't I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>fully dealt with yet, which is an invention that I

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<v Speaker 1>can't really find a bad angle on. But I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like today we're gonna be talking about an invention that

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<v Speaker 1>I think is just pretty great. Yeah, we're talking about Brail.

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<v Speaker 1>Brail the writing system based on tactile sensations for people

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<v Speaker 1>who are blind or otherwise visually impaired. So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>writing system, yeah, it's and it's It is hard to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine Brail being used for evil, except in the sense

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<v Speaker 1>that all writing systems could be used for evil. So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could. Somebody could write something mean or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, outright dangerous in Brail in the same way

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<v Speaker 1>the one could do that in any full of written communication. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would say as a modification and expansion of

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<v Speaker 1>an existing writing system, and of course writing comes with

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<v Speaker 1>all that writing can do, I'd say it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing to have. Yeah, And they didn't start the

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<v Speaker 1>fire right there, it's a continuation of existing written language technology.

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<v Speaker 1>So whatever was already bad or dangerous in the written

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<v Speaker 1>word was already there, and and this is not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>adding anything new to it in that regard. So written

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<v Speaker 1>language is something that we might not often think about

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<v Speaker 1>as an invention, but I think it's actually one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most important inventions to consider. Oh yeah, we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this a good bit on stuff to blow your

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<v Speaker 1>mind in the past. But but what he is language

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<v Speaker 1>but the power to take words and thoughts and fix

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<v Speaker 1>them in place, to record them and create complex forms

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<v Speaker 1>out of their structure. And then one can simply come along,

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<v Speaker 1>read the words and hear those words in your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>think those thoughts for yourself. So when when it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>crazy to think about this is sort of deconstructed and

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<v Speaker 1>realize that when we read the words of a long

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<v Speaker 1>dead thinker, we are reading we are loading their thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>into our mind and thinking with their thoughts. You're going

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<v Speaker 1>into the matrix, you're uploading their thoughts. I mean, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not exactly, because you're probably reading across the translation gap

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<v Speaker 1>and there's something like that, but I mean reading the

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<v Speaker 1>words written by another person. I feel like is is

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<v Speaker 1>about as close as you can get to just mind,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, mind reading. Yeah. I was thinking about this

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<v Speaker 1>too with translation the other day, Like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder, what are what are the oldest words that

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<v Speaker 1>I've read that I can actually you know, get the

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<v Speaker 1>gist out of. It's not too archaic and it's a formation. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean probably, I mean certainly probably something in Old

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<v Speaker 1>English passages and Bayowolf you can kind of get the

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<v Speaker 1>sense of. But those are cases where even though there's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe a little distortion, uh, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>little static from all those century is of linguistic shift,

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<v Speaker 1>but but you're you're still feeling those thoughts, you're still

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<v Speaker 1>thinking those thoughts from another time. Writing is the time

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<v Speaker 1>machine exactly. Now. While spoken languages auditory, obviously, written language

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<v Speaker 1>is a visual system, and for the blind or visually impaired,

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<v Speaker 1>written language is going to be rather lacking obviously. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just strokes on a page are going to be difficult,

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<v Speaker 1>if not impossible, to read. And I would say, because

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<v Speaker 1>education is so often tied up in literacy throughout much

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<v Speaker 1>of human history and lots of cultures, I think this

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<v Speaker 1>has led to a kind of unfair and dismissive under

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<v Speaker 1>consideration of the role of the education of the blind,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like, well, they can't read the written texts

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<v Speaker 1>we have, so what, you know, what can we really

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<v Speaker 1>teach them? Yeah, it wasn't until seventeen eighty four that

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<v Speaker 1>school for the blind was established in France and then

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<v Speaker 1>the concept spread throughout Europe. But but prior to that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, certainly, if you go back to the ancient

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<v Speaker 1>world and prehistoric times you had this is sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the varying levels of of importance or or attention paid

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<v Speaker 1>to the blind or visually impaired individuals, especially individuals who

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<v Speaker 1>who were born visually impaired or without the ability to see.

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<v Speaker 1>You go back to prehistoric civil civilizations and they might

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<v Speaker 1>have had a practice of disposing of such individuals um likewise,

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<v Speaker 1>throughout you know, the ancient world, you see sort of

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<v Speaker 1>varying treatment. Right, there are times where a blind individual

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<v Speaker 1>is elevated, that is celebrated. Plenty of other blind or

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<v Speaker 1>visual impaired individuals who are just simply lost to history.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, you think about say Homer, uh the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the famous Greek storyteller. Whether or not this

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<v Speaker 1>was an actual historic individual, many of the the accounts

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<v Speaker 1>say that that that he was blind, and so on

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<v Speaker 1>one hand, if this was an actual blind storyteller, there

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<v Speaker 1>you know there's a there's a lot to be inferred

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<v Speaker 1>from that. But but then at the same time, there

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<v Speaker 1>there is this tendency in human history to take individuals

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<v Speaker 1>that that are notable in some sort of disfigurement or

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<v Speaker 1>a difference in ability, or even something like twins, and

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<v Speaker 1>what they end up being is not not really a

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<v Speaker 1>treatment of individuals with those conditions, but symbols for other

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<v Speaker 1>people to interpret. It's like when you look at movies

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<v Speaker 1>about twins or stories about twins, it's very often something

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<v Speaker 1>created by uh Singleton's by individuals who do not have

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<v Speaker 1>a twin, who are finding something in it in this

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<v Speaker 1>situation to speak to their own identity, to be a metaphor. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's exactly correct. I mean, you see

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<v Speaker 1>characters in you brought up Homer, but I think about

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<v Speaker 1>like the legendary character of Tyreseius, the blind prophet, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think is very often deployed by cited people as

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like a metaphor or a symbol or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Right, So you see this trend without going

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<v Speaker 1>just really deep into sort of the history of blindness

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<v Speaker 1>in human societies. But but very often the blind were

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<v Speaker 1>treated as metaphors as and and and they certainly lacked

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of like large scale, you know, communal experience,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the blind were not able to come together across

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<v Speaker 1>cultures and do things like develop their own system of

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<v Speaker 1>written language. And certainly you didn't have any real efforts

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<v Speaker 1>to make the cited world more accessible to sightless individuals.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, an individual might well be able to depend

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<v Speaker 1>on a family or a subordinate for aid in reading.

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<v Speaker 1>And as early as Greek and Roman times, some individuals

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<v Speaker 1>had access to lenses to aid them in reading. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course we'll have to come back into a future

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<v Speaker 1>episode of invention on that. But while the written word

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<v Speaker 1>might be tactile in some cases due to the way

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<v Speaker 1>that it's carved in stone or the way that it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, created using a stylus and wax, this was

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<v Speaker 1>not the primary desired effect of those systems. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>now I mean, now that we live in a modern

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<v Speaker 1>world where we are aware of the concept of brail,

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<v Speaker 1>you might not understand its history or exactly how it

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<v Speaker 1>was invented or how it works. Hopefully you will know

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<v Speaker 1>something about that at the end of this episode, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're aware of the fact that it exists before that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's hard to imagine that there would not be

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of widespread reading system within languages for people

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<v Speaker 1>who are blind or visually impaired. But throughout history that

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<v Speaker 1>just generally was the case. But we should also say

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<v Speaker 1>that Brail as it's known today was not the first

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<v Speaker 1>system of tactually encoding written language for the blind. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, there was an English system created by Dr

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<v Speaker 1>William Moon, invented in eighteen forty five, moon Type, which

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<v Speaker 1>sounds wonderfully Elvin, uh, you know, like like some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of Elvin script that comes to life in the moonlight

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<v Speaker 1>or something. But it was just named because that was

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<v Speaker 1>a name. But it was basically a font type that

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<v Speaker 1>is embossed and can be felt. And this wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>the first such type. There was. Valentine we Uh presented

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<v Speaker 1>a version of this in the seventeen eighties. And again

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<v Speaker 1>the simple concept here is UH existing fonts like aes

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<v Speaker 1>B ces ds that you can that you can trace

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<v Speaker 1>with your fingers, that you can touch and identify. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's an a this is a B, this is the c. Etcetera. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Hui system consisted of these embossed letters, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>in fact somewhat useful for blind students like Louis Braille,

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<v Speaker 1>who we will talk about in this episode as the

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<v Speaker 1>inventor of Braille, learned to read with Hoi's system before

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<v Speaker 1>he invented Braille based on another system we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>in a bit, but it was the system of embossed letters,

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<v Speaker 1>where like a normal letter, as you're saying, would be

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<v Speaker 1>pressed through on a damp piece of paper and it

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<v Speaker 1>would leave a print there that you could feel with

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<v Speaker 1>your hand. But it had these real limitations, like to

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<v Speaker 1>hold to this size of type, the books of print

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<v Speaker 1>had to be huge and monstrously heavy, like I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>estimates of an average of four point five kims about

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<v Speaker 1>ten pounds per book, which is too heavy to hold

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<v Speaker 1>and carry around in a practical way, especially for a

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<v Speaker 1>child who's learning to read. But beyond that, there's just

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<v Speaker 1>a reality that embossed alphabetic letters are hard to read

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<v Speaker 1>by touch. And this is something that might not be

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<v Speaker 1>obvious to cited readers. You just like look at them

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<v Speaker 1>and say, well, they look different to me. I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell the difference, but reading with your fingers is a

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<v Speaker 1>different type of sensation activity than reading with your eyes is.

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<v Speaker 1>And and it just turned out that for many blind

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<v Speaker 1>students there was a lot of ambiguity in the shapes

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<v Speaker 1>of letters. You could be trying to read across the line.

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<v Speaker 1>And number one, it wasn't very fast because the letters

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<v Speaker 1>were big and you have to sort of like feel

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<v Speaker 1>around on each one. You couldn't just run your finger

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<v Speaker 1>across the line. But then beyond that, there's ambiguity between letters,

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<v Speaker 1>like a C might feel a lot like a G

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<v Speaker 1>and all that, and it would take you a minute

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out the difference. And this made reading slow

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<v Speaker 1>and laborious. I feel like there's something probably revealing in

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<v Speaker 1>this this journey thus far. You know, we've we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the roles or the interpretations of of of blind

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<v Speaker 1>and vision impaired individuals throughout history, and and here with

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<v Speaker 1>these these systems, they do seem like a sided world

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<v Speaker 1>first technology. Absolutely, yeah, it's blind or vision impaired individuals

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<v Speaker 1>who will make some of the the key breakthroughs here.

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<v Speaker 1>That's absolutely right. And at the same time, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to downplay, uh, like who's contribution, like this was

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<v Speaker 1>a real invention, this idea of the embost letters. It

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<v Speaker 1>was better than nothing. And I think it's clear that

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<v Speaker 1>who he was well meaning. Oh yeah, because it is

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<v Speaker 1>easy to take for granted and speaking here as a

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<v Speaker 1>sided individual, to take for granted the degree to which

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<v Speaker 1>we rely on site and and and and use that

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<v Speaker 1>as our key means of interpreting the world, but also

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<v Speaker 1>not to realize how much you're not getting about other

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<v Speaker 1>people's experiences, like if you haven't experienced it yourself. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is This is certainly an area as we continue

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<v Speaker 1>on in the episode, I imagine we have some listeners

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<v Speaker 1>out there who who are blind or vision impaired in

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<v Speaker 1>one way, shape or another. We would love to hear

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<v Speaker 1>your feedback on on Brail on the experiences we're discussing

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode totally. And one more thing I just

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<v Speaker 1>realized about we should mention about the Hui system is uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope I'm saying his name right. It's I was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to look up how to pronounce this one. It's

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<v Speaker 1>h a u y and I could not find I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's Hui. That's my best guess. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a French speaker out there, and you're grimacing every time

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<v Speaker 1>we do this. This won't be the last time in

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<v Speaker 1>the episode encounter difficult French names. All apologies, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So another thing about his system is that it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>also easier to use this system if you are an

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<v Speaker 1>adult who is used to reading printed letters and then

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<v Speaker 1>lost their site later on in life, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>feel around on those letters. Then if you're a child

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<v Speaker 1>who has who has never learned to read printed letters,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could perhaps be learning a tactle system that's

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<v Speaker 1>much easier to pick up from the beginning. But we'll

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<v Speaker 1>come back to this, says I think we should. We

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<v Speaker 1>should move now to talk about something called night writing.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready for night writing? Yeah? It sounds great.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like like a ninet eighties horror film that

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<v Speaker 1>I could really get into, like night Gallery, Night Gallery

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<v Speaker 1>with a little like night gallery meets automatic writing meets uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a little night cheese in there. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it also, Yeah, working on my night Cheese. I

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<v Speaker 1>just know someday we're gonna get sued because we do

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<v Speaker 1>a version of Working on My Night moves, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna We're not gonna remember that edited out better.

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<v Speaker 1>This is night writing. So you might have heard or

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<v Speaker 1>remember from history classes that the design and tactics of

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<v Speaker 1>mobile artillery were important to the success of Napoleon's military

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<v Speaker 1>campaigns in the early nineteenth century. And Napoleon himself had

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<v Speaker 1>been an artillery officer when he was coming up through

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<v Speaker 1>the ranks. And another artillery officer in Napoleon's army would

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<v Speaker 1>end up playing an important role in the creation of

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<v Speaker 1>the modern Brail writing system, and this man was Nicholas

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<v Speaker 1>Marie Charles Barbier de Lasayer, often shortened to just Charles

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<v Speaker 1>Charles or Charles Barbier. And one good source I found

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<v Speaker 1>that included stuff about the life of Charles Barbier was

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<v Speaker 1>a book called Louis Braile A Touch of Genius by C.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Mallore from National Braille Press in two thousand six.

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<v Speaker 1>So Barbier was born on May eighteen, seventeen sixty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was born into an aristocratic family, not like

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<v Speaker 1>galactic scale big wigs, but like minor big wigs, medium wigs,

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<v Speaker 1>and he went to a military school to become an

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<v Speaker 1>army officer, but then the French Revolution broke out and

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<v Speaker 1>he being a son of a minor aristocratic family, he

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<v Speaker 1>fled to America and worked there for several years as

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<v Speaker 1>a surveyor, and while in the United States, supposedly Barbiea

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<v Speaker 1>became very interested in the writing systems that were being

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<v Speaker 1>used by Native American tribes to to create codes for

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<v Speaker 1>their languages, and barbie A at one point wrote, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>of all the inventions honoring the human spirit, writing has

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<v Speaker 1>contributed most to its development and progress. So this guy

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<v Speaker 1>is a fan of the printed word. But barbie A

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<v Speaker 1>later returned to France and served in the army, and

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<v Speaker 1>from his interest in the creation of writing systems which

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<v Speaker 1>she had sort of gained while he was in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, Barbiea developed an idea for a code that

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<v Speaker 1>could be useful in wartime, and this code was called

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<v Speaker 1>night writing. Now, imagine you're outdoing maneuvers under the cover

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<v Speaker 1>of darkness. Maybe you want to put some mobile artillery

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<v Speaker 1>in place without the enemy noticing what you're doing in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night. Now, you want to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to send a written message from one group or

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<v Speaker 1>station to the to another. And normally, if you send

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<v Speaker 1>a written message during night maneuvers, the person receiving the

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<v Speaker 1>message would have to light a torch or a lantern

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<v Speaker 1>in order to read it, but that might give away

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<v Speaker 1>your position to the enemy if you suddenly light a

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<v Speaker 1>fire in the middle of a dark battlefield and then

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<v Speaker 1>maybe some shells come raining down on you. So Barbie's

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<v Speaker 1>idea was to use a system of holes punched into

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of cardboard which could be read in total

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<v Speaker 1>darkness because you could feel the symbols of the message

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<v Speaker 1>with your fingers, allowing you to read it without a

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<v Speaker 1>light and without giving away your position to the enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>So Barbie has got this great idea. He's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to change how how night moves are done. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>he's working on his night moves and he presents this

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<v Speaker 1>this idea of night riding to the military leadership. But

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<v Speaker 1>apparently they're just not impressed. And I don't honestly know

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why they rejected his idea, But if I

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<v Speaker 1>had to guess, I would think one obstacle would be

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<v Speaker 1>that this code would take time and effort for people

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<v Speaker 1>to learn, and wouldn't necessarily be worth trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>everybody learn when you also had the option of just

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<v Speaker 1>transmitting message is by whisper in the dark. You could

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<v Speaker 1>send a human messenger to tell somebody something and they

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<v Speaker 1>could whisper it in their ear. That probably wouldn't give

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<v Speaker 1>much away, right, And then it also stands to reason

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<v Speaker 1>that in some cases you would be able to deploy

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of light and do so in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that would not necessarily give away your position. And we

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't require you to have learned to call a code

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<v Speaker 1>and utilize some sort of a punch language, maybe under

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<v Speaker 1>a blanket or something like. It's it's a it's an

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<v Speaker 1>eloquent solution for a problem that maybe did not call

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<v Speaker 1>for so eloquent a solution. That's possible. But even though

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<v Speaker 1>he got rejected owned by the way, Robert, I've included

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of Barbie a here, who, for some reason

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<v Speaker 1>just really kind of reminds me of the way Xander

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<v Speaker 1>Berkeley looks in Terminator to wait, remind me of which

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<v Speaker 1>character Xander Berkeley was. He's John Connor's foster dad. You

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<v Speaker 1>remember him. He's drinking the milk carton. Oh, yes, vaguely. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>The two one thousand gets him, Yeah, two one tho

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<v Speaker 1>gets most people in that movie. Maybe it's a spurious comparison,

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<v Speaker 1>I see it, But Anyway, Barbie was not finished with

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of night writing, even though it got rejected

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<v Speaker 1>by the military. Um. While I would say there are

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty obvious alternatives to night writing, when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to transmitting short messages on a dark and battlefield, it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes a lot harder to come up with ways of

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<v Speaker 1>like reading longer messages, like say, entire books in the dark,

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<v Speaker 1>And so by eighteen fifteen, Barbier had developed another idea.

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<v Speaker 1>His idea was that the night writing system would be

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<v Speaker 1>useful to the blind, especially as written by Barbie and

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<v Speaker 1>quoted in Melore's book, quote to those born blind who

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<v Speaker 1>are deprived of the means of ever being able to

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<v Speaker 1>read our books or our writing. And besides this meeting

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<v Speaker 1>with the greatest difficulties in correctly tracing the outlines of letters.

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<v Speaker 1>So he he knew something about this problem, like the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that uh blind people trying to read with with

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<v Speaker 1>embossed letters of a normal alphabetics ripped faced problems like it.

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<v Speaker 1>It just wasn't as easy as cited people thought it

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<v Speaker 1>should be to feel a letter with your fingers and

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<v Speaker 1>instantly know what it is certainly, and if you're doubtful

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<v Speaker 1>of this the next time you go to say, a cemetery,

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<v Speaker 1>or you're around some sort of you know, statue that

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<v Speaker 1>you are permitted to touch and paw at um. Try

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<v Speaker 1>it out and see how fast you can get. You

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<v Speaker 1>see if you can hit, how much you can read.

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<v Speaker 1>And it turns out Barbie was really onto something here.

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<v Speaker 1>He created what turned out to be a very important

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<v Speaker 1>precursor to the later system of Braille, though he is

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<v Speaker 1>not known as its inventor. That title, of course goes

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<v Speaker 1>to its namesake, Uh, the namesake of the writing system,

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<v Speaker 1>Louis Braille. So I think maybe we should take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break and then we'll come back to meet Louis Braille. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back, So let's talk about Louis Braille. We haveved

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen o nine through eighteen fifty two. So he was

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<v Speaker 1>he was a frenchman. Um would later grow to be

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<v Speaker 1>a French educator. But as a as a child, at

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<v Speaker 1>the mere age of three, uh, he was he was blinded.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened is his father was a harness maker,

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<v Speaker 1>and he'd been playing with tools in his father's shop

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<v Speaker 1>and a tool slipped in his hand and injured his

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<v Speaker 1>right eye. Yeah, so this was in the commune of

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<v Speaker 1>Kubra and his father, Like you said, it's like, I

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<v Speaker 1>think he made a saddles and stuff and harnesses. And

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<v Speaker 1>so if you're a harness maker, saddle maker, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to use a sharp tool called an owl to punch

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<v Speaker 1>holes in tough leather. And apparently young Louis was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to punch a hole in leather with the awl when

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<v Speaker 1>he accidentally slipped and he stabbed himself in the right eye.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, I've read that the remedy prescribed by a

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<v Speaker 1>local healer was an infusion of something called lily water.

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking to try to figure out what this is.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't find a lot of other stuff about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I assume that might be I don't know, water

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<v Speaker 1>that has been soaked with lilies or something. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>it's possible this may have made the risk of infection

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<v Speaker 1>even were the stabed. I of course became infected and

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<v Speaker 1>then it got worse. Yeah. What resulted was something known

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<v Speaker 1>as symp sympathetic ophthalmia, which is an infection of both

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<v Speaker 1>eyes following trauma to a single eye, and this ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>resulted in total blindness. His eyes deteriorated over time and

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<v Speaker 1>he was totally blind by five. And this is particularly

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<v Speaker 1>devastating when you think about the age at which most

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<v Speaker 1>of us begin to acquire language, written language, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to to be robbed of your your your visual faculties

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<v Speaker 1>at age between the ages of three and five, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's devastating. Yeah. And of course this, uh, this led

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<v Speaker 1>to Braile's parents trying to get him enrolled in a

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<v Speaker 1>in an institute or or a school for blind children.

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<v Speaker 1>And he eventually was. Yeah, and as we mentioned earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he was he was lucky enough to have

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<v Speaker 1>been born in the right time, in the right place

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<v Speaker 1>to have access to one of these, uh, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the really the earliest school for the blind, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was at this this instant, the National Institute or the

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<v Speaker 1>Royal Institute for Blind Children in Paris, where I think

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<v Speaker 1>it went through some some different leadership. Um he uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He first encountered the night writing system of Charles Barbier,

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<v Speaker 1>though this, uh, this wouldn't happen until later. Barbier actually

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<v Speaker 1>approached the institute multiple times with his invention, and the

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<v Speaker 1>first time was in eighteen twenty. And so I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we should back up for a second. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how much you came across this, But in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the biographical writing about Louis Braille there tends to

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<v Speaker 1>be a kind of villain of the story by the

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<v Speaker 1>name of Sebastian Galie. Well, that's a great villain's name,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, so I again, That's what I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, right? Is g U I L L I

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<v Speaker 1>E Gali? I think? And Gilly was head of the

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<v Speaker 1>institute when Braille was first enrolled there as a child,

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<v Speaker 1>and at that time conditions at the institute were in

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<v Speaker 1>many ways just pretty awful, like the building was described

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<v Speaker 1>as damp and poorly ventilated, there was dirty drinking water

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<v Speaker 1>with few amenities, and Gilly apparently had a very prejudiced

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<v Speaker 1>and condescending view toward the blind children that he was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to educate. As quoted in Millard's book. Gilly wrote

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen eighteen that he believed quote it has been

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<v Speaker 1>clearly shown that the blind are not like other people,

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<v Speaker 1>susceptible to being restrained by external demonstrations. The blind appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>things only by extremes and can understand justice only by

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<v Speaker 1>its effects. A paternal and just management has thus replaced

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<v Speaker 1>the flexible and weak regime that has for so long

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<v Speaker 1>prevented good from being done. All right, so that well,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds that sounds horrible, and and it and it continues,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a pre existing trend of treating the disabled

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<v Speaker 1>as as something less than than human in some cases,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least you know, as a as a secondary class. Yes, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>and and this did appear to be Gilly's view. So

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<v Speaker 1>he enacted harsh punishments on the children, including putting them

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<v Speaker 1>on a diet of dry bread and water, with physical

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<v Speaker 1>beatings or whippings, confinement in some extreme cases, even chaining

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<v Speaker 1>children to a post. Uh And many of the children

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<v Speaker 1>in the school when when new leadership came to power,

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<v Speaker 1>they were later found to be malnourished and in poor health.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an extremely hard to read an egregious case where

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<v Speaker 1>Gale actually performed medical experiments on his blind students. Uh So.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one case where he took fluid from the

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<v Speaker 1>eyes of children suffering from a form of LaFaro blinaria,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an eye infection resulting in discharge from the eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>and he put it into the eyes of four blind

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<v Speaker 1>children under his care at the school in order to

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<v Speaker 1>test how it was transmitted, and his reasoning was that

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<v Speaker 1>because they were already blind, they would not be risk

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<v Speaker 1>of them losing their sight from the infection. Uh, though

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<v Speaker 1>the records of the experiment indicate that the infection was

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<v Speaker 1>extremely painful to the Children's a horrible story. But day

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<v Speaker 1>to day at the school, the students were taught to

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<v Speaker 1>do things like like weaving and tactle manual tasks, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>weaving straw and rush mats and doing other kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>jobs like that. But they also had opportunities to like

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<v Speaker 1>learn and perform music, which Braile actually excelled at. He

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<v Speaker 1>was said to be an extremely talented musician. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is the guy who was in charge when Barbier first

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<v Speaker 1>brought his night writing to the school. Yeah. So Barbier

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<v Speaker 1>first shows up at the school in eighteen twenty and

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<v Speaker 1>he tries to demonstrate to Gilly how a variation on

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<v Speaker 1>the night writing system could be a useful alternative to

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<v Speaker 1>the embossed print system that the students were using, and

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<v Speaker 1>he showed off a writing device that he created that

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<v Speaker 1>consisted of a type of slate and a stylus, and

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<v Speaker 1>Gilly allowed the students to experiment with this briefly, but

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<v Speaker 1>personally he did not seem to see much use in

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<v Speaker 1>the system, and he passed on it. But soon after that,

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<v Speaker 1>Gilly was dismissed from his position at the head of

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<v Speaker 1>the institute after it was exposed that he had had

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<v Speaker 1>an affair with a much younger instructor at the school,

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<v Speaker 1>and Gilly's replacement a man named Andre or Alexandre Pinier,

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<v Speaker 1>who is generally regarded as having been a kinder director

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:00.080
<v Speaker 1>with a more genuine concern for the well being of

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:03.640
<v Speaker 1>the students. He was put in place, and Barbie returned

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:06.919
<v Speaker 1>to make his case again. Unfortunately, I think penning A

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:10.240
<v Speaker 1>recognized that the best judge of what kind of writing

0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:12.679
<v Speaker 1>system would be useful to the blind students would be

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the students themselves, so he sponsored a period in which

0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 1>the students could experiment with Barbie's dot based system of

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:23.600
<v Speaker 1>night writing, and the students almost immediately recognized the superiority

0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 1>of the dot based system over the system of the

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 1>embosted print letters. The dots were simply much easier to

0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:32.240
<v Speaker 1>read and to reproduce, given the help of a slate

0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:35.400
<v Speaker 1>and a stylus, than the shapes of the print letters,

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and of course one of the students who participated in

0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 1>this experiment was the young Louis Braille, still a teenager

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 1>at the time, or actually I think at the beginning

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't even a teenager yet. And so Braile had

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:48.880
<v Speaker 1>excelled as a student at the institute. He was said

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 1>to be like very clever and avid learner, and he

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 1>he had mastered the the old Hui system of of

0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:58.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, the the embost letters, and had read all

0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the books, and he eventually moved on to teaching other

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:04.879
<v Speaker 1>students there. And so Braill saw the potential for a

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:08.480
<v Speaker 1>system like night writing or something you know, related to it.

0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:12.240
<v Speaker 1>So what he did is he simplified Barbier's night writing

0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 1>system to make it faster to read and write, creating

0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 1>the Braille system. And he revealed the system in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four. And he also later adapted it to a

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:25.639
<v Speaker 1>musical notation exactly. And so though the idea of the

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 1>raised dots to represent sounds or letters came from barbi A,

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Brail completely reorganized the code system to make it much

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:38.879
<v Speaker 1>more practical. Original Barbier system had been the cells composed

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.879
<v Speaker 1>of twelve possible dots that could you know, be arranged

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 1>to show the different letters. And while this cell was

0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>easier to read than an embossed alphabetic letter like in

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Hui's system, it was still too large to read very quickly.

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:53.680
<v Speaker 1>And so what Brail did is he simplified the letter

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 1>system the cell to just six dots, which could fit

0:26:57.119 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 1>under a single fingertip and allow much faster reading. And

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 1>one crazy thing to think about is that Brail is

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:07.000
<v Speaker 1>only fifteen or sixteen when he finished creating this code. Well,

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.920
<v Speaker 1>let's take another break, and when we come back, we're

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 1>going to discuss the invention of Brail itself and its legacy. Alright,

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 1>we're back, so, uh, you know we've alluded this already,

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>but but let's take a minute to discuss what Brail

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:31.120
<v Speaker 1>exactly is. It is a tactile system of written language.

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:35.400
<v Speaker 1>It's a way, uh to read the written word via

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 1>raised dots on a surface with your fingers, and this

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 1>is of course ideal for individuals who are blind or

0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:47.239
<v Speaker 1>vision impaired. Brail, however, is not a language, yes, and

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:50.160
<v Speaker 1>that's important. It's much the same way that the alphabet

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 1>is not a language. Alphabets are ways of encoding existing languages,

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:57.480
<v Speaker 1>and so is Brail. Yeah, it's it's a code that's

0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:01.639
<v Speaker 1>been adapted to many existing language. Sense of the original French.

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:05.520
<v Speaker 1>For instance, there's English brail or Grade two brail, and

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 1>this consists of two hundred and fifty different marks representing letters, numbers,

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:16.360
<v Speaker 1>punctuation marks, formatting marks, contractions, and abbreviations. Each brail symbol

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>is formed via brail cells, each show with spaces for

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:24.639
<v Speaker 1>six raised dots. So a full brail cell contains six

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 1>raised dots and two parallel rows of three dots each.

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.400
<v Speaker 1>You've probably seen them before, but they look kind of like,

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, they can sort of resemble like dominoes or

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the sides of a die. Yeah, imagine a domino with

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>space for only six dots, again in two vertical rows

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>of three. And of course, as you mentioned, there are

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>different forms of brail, right, So first let's consider the

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 1>most basic form, what's generally referred to as uncontracted brail.

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 1>This is helpful for beginners learning brail. For instance, so

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 1>if you have in this system, if you have a

0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 1>phrase and you want to spell it out, you spell

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>it out letter by letter, so you would you know,

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>if you're writing, um, you know, and then it came

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 1>to pass, you would do A than you would do

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 1>in than you would do D, and you would just

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 1>spell out every word in this sentence. But there are

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>of course many words in the English language that are

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 1>usually just read as sort of units. You don't have

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 1>to go one letter at a time, right, Yeah, you

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 1>think of site words for instance, you know the words

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>where you just you just look at it and you

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 1>know it. And so this is where we get into

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>contracted brail, in which some hundred and eighty different letter

0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:35.480
<v Speaker 1>contractions come into play to shorten and simplify everything, making

0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 1>it again faster to read and easier to write. By

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 1>the way, I know some of you who have listened

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 1>to past episodes of Stuff to Blow your mind to

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>deal with with the Mandarin language, or particularly Chinese typewriter,

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 1>you might be asking yourself, huh, I wonder how Mandarin

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 1>is translated into brail, because it's not a phonetic written language. Yeah,

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 1>well it it. I've looked this up, and the way

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 1>it works is that the Chinese brail represents the sounds

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:08.320
<v Speaker 1>of language rather than the many Chinese characters that would

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 1>be involved in in traditional written Chinese language, so it's

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 1>a little bit different. Each symbol contains three Brail letters initial, final,

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>and then something representing the tone. Uh So, in a way,

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like opinion brail, you know, in which

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Mandarin Chinese is rendered in um, you know, in in

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 1>in in Western characters like transliterated script. Exactly. Now. I

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 1>mentioned the slate in the style USTs earlier, and that's

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 1>an important tool for writing in Brail because it helps

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>guide the writer in order to punch out the letters

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>to form the code they're creating, and helps keep the

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 1>letters evenly spaced and along the same line and against

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>so much easier than trying to then create embossed letters

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 1>on paper. Yeah, exactly. And so as for this invention,

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I was just thinking about how we sort of alluded

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 1>to this earlier. But I think it's important to think

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 1>about how Braill was not the first attempt to create

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>a reading and writing system for the blind and visually impaired.

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Before this, you had things like the embossed alphabetic letters

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 1>of Valentin Hui, you had the night writing of Barbier,

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 1>and these inventions were not worthless. But despite the efforts

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 1>of these inventors, they weren't nearly as useful or efficient

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>as they could have been. And it took the insights

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:28.120
<v Speaker 1>of Louis Brail himself to streamline the code system to

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>its optimal form. And I can't help but think that

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 1>this must have something to do with the fact that

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Brail himself was a blind reader with direct personal experience

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 1>of the day to day issues faced by blind readers,

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 1>understanding sort of the texture of the experience, what it's

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 1>like to read with one's fingers, and having no other

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 1>choice but to read with his fingers, and so he

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>was able to imagine improvements in the system that others didn't.

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>And this sort of reminds me of something that often

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 1>seems true about invention, that the insights that often lead

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 1>to the best inventions are not always just rooted in

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 1>things like engineering, genius, and creativity. They also are rooted

0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:12.239
<v Speaker 1>in habitual familiarity with the kinds of problems that the

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>invention is needed to solve, like hands on experience. Yeah,

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>and and really, the Brail, even if we go go

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>back to the roots in night writing, like that was

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and that was rooted in an attempt to solve a

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:29.600
<v Speaker 1>problem UM that the the innovator had a real world

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 1>experience with UM. And granted it was military situation, but

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>then and then this technology has passed on to Brail,

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:41.479
<v Speaker 1>who has a direct experience of the sightless world and

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:45.640
<v Speaker 1>uses his familiarity with this you know, you know, altered

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 1>sensory experience to create Brail and uh, and this is

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 1>the system we have today. Like, this is still the

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>standard for for for written language for the blind. Yes,

0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 1>that we should mention that. Since then, there have been

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 1>other types of of encoding written language for the blind, Like,

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 1>there are other One thing I've been reading about is that,

0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>for example, there are other systems for people who became

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 1>blind later in life, and we're more used to the

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>alphabetic language. Uh. That's something a little bit more like

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:21.120
<v Speaker 1>the old Hui system. Right, It's got like embossed letters.

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 1>There are also versions that attempt to sort of like

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 1>mingle the two, where you sort of like make letters

0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 1>out of raised dots. And that's designed to be useful

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 1>so that like, if you are a blind writer, you

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 1>can use that too. It might be slower going, but

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 1>can produce a script that's also readable to people who

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 1>only know like the sited alphabet. Right. And then Brail

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 1>has continued to evolve over time, first of all, to

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 1>meet new language demands. So We mentioned the Man for

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 1>an example, but another great example is Niemth Brail, a

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 1>form of brail developed in nineteen fifty two by American

0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 1>mathematician and invent or Abraham Niemoth, who was by the way,

0:33:56.800 --> 0:34:00.080
<v Speaker 1>born blind UH. And it was officially integrated in to

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 1>you needed United English Brail in and it is used

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 1>to write mathematics in brail. UH. There's also the Gardener

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Salinas brail codes created to codify math and scientific notation,

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>and there's also the Brail code of chemical notation. From So,

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 1>we've seen this sort of continual broadening of the system

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>as the system has needed to UH to explain and

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:32.319
<v Speaker 1>express different systems, different written systems, in addition to just

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of core UH written language needs. Now, of course,

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:39.879
<v Speaker 1>there are continuing challenges in adapting brail technology. I mean,

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 1>one thing that might be rather obvious is the idea

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of the text we encounter today happens

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:49.279
<v Speaker 1>not on in printed text but on screens. That's right. Yeah,

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>so we've seen we have seen some amazing breakthroughs though

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>with a refreshable brail to spread displays. These provide access

0:34:56.960 --> 0:35:00.239
<v Speaker 1>to information on a computer screen by electronically raised and

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 1>lowering different combinations of pins in brail cells. And uh,

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 1>this is you know the kind of price technology. Um,

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 1>the price of brail displays range from thirty fifteen thousand

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>dollars depending on the number of characters displayed. And then

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>there's the whole history of of brail writing machines and

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>brail printers. Uh. Frank haven Hall presented the first brail

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 1>writer machine in and various improvements came with time. Today

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:33.280
<v Speaker 1>we even have you know, brail computer printers, portable brail

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.839
<v Speaker 1>note taking devices, and then the brail displays that we've

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:42.680
<v Speaker 1>already mentioned. Um, you have, but brail printers range from say,

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 1>small scale brail printers that cost between eighteen hundred and

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:50.439
<v Speaker 1>five thousand dollars to large volume ones that can cost

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 1>between ten thousand and eighty thousand dollars. But but the

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.759
<v Speaker 1>technology exists. You can hook a printer up to a

0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 1>machine and print in brail if you have the right technology.

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Other bit of technology worth noting the brail wristwatch, where

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:06.800
<v Speaker 1>you lift the lid of the time piece to quote

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 1>unquote touch the time. This makes me wonder about a

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 1>question that I don't know if we can really fully

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 1>answer that we might be able to say a little

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 1>bit about it. Is um, the question of how the

0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>experience of reading is different or is it different when

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>you're reading with eyes versus reading with your fingers. I

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 1>was wondering about this as well, because it's you know,

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess my experience and this is limited. But but

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>just thinking about the differences between reading written text and say,

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 1>listening to an audio book. Yeah, it's a very different,

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:42.880
<v Speaker 1>expert different experience. You can still I mean, ultimately, I

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:46.640
<v Speaker 1>guess the if you have to like drive home, like, well,

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 1>what are the difference businesses between reading the Lion, the

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Witch and the Wardrobe versus uh, listening to it in

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:56.279
<v Speaker 1>the car? Um. I mean, it's still the same story,

0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:58.360
<v Speaker 1>still has the same characters, but there but there is

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:01.480
<v Speaker 1>something different about the experience. It's a different way of

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 1>absorbing the content. Yeah, I wonder what those differences are, like, um,

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.600
<v Speaker 1>with with Braill versus these other means. Yeah, I don't

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:12.359
<v Speaker 1>want to necessarily go like full Marshal McCluin, but I

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 1>do believe that, like the physical substrates of our media

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 1>do play a role in shaping thought in culture, in

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the nature of the experience of the information that gets

0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 1>shared on that media. So if printed text is one

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 1>medium and brail is another, is that experience of reading

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>one versus the other substantially different and in terms of

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 1>the internal sensation of reading one versus the other, I

0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know what the answer is. I was trying to

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 1>look for it was trying to read around on this

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 1>and I couldn't find much on the subject, though maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there's good stuff out there. I did come across a

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<v Speaker 1>study in Current biology from the year two thousand eleven

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 1>by Rice's ved Cohen and Amedi called a ventral visual

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 1>stream reading center independent of visual experience. And so what

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<v Speaker 1>the authors of this study it was a neuroscience study

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 1>where they did an fmr I speriment on, you know,

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:04.799
<v Speaker 1>measuring brain function while people were reading across different media.

0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 1>And the authors said that there's this pathway in the

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:10.280
<v Speaker 1>brain that is thought to be important for reading visual text,

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:13.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's called the visual word form area or the

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:18.439
<v Speaker 1>vWF A and the author's right quote. This study investigated

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<v Speaker 1>which area plays the role of the vWF A in

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:24.399
<v Speaker 1>the blind. One would expect this area to be at

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:29.800
<v Speaker 1>either parietal or bilateral occipital cortex, reflecting the tactle nature

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:34.279
<v Speaker 1>of the task, and cross moodal plasticity, respectively. So they're

0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 1>thinking that, Okay, if somebody's reading with their fingers, that

0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:39.320
<v Speaker 1>they would expect the parts of the brain involved to

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 1>be like parts of the brain that are normally associated

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 1>with touch sensation. But the author has used FMR I

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:49.320
<v Speaker 1>to see what brain activity looks like when blind readers

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>read in brail, and what they found was quote striking

0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:57.920
<v Speaker 1>anatomical consistency within and between blind and cited readers. And

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:00.839
<v Speaker 1>so the authors this led them to proposed that the

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:06.760
<v Speaker 1>visual word form area is not necessarily about visual words. Instead,

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 1>it's quote a metamodal reading area that develops specialization for

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:17.839
<v Speaker 1>reading regardless of visual experience. So that's fascinating, Like, if

0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 1>they're correct about this, it means that there's sort of

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:24.239
<v Speaker 1>a suite of brain functions that are used specifically for

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:31.200
<v Speaker 1>consuming symbolic representations of language, whether that symbolic representation is

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:35.080
<v Speaker 1>visual seeing of letters or tactle feeling of dot cells.

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.720
<v Speaker 1>And the authors say that this, uh, this they believe

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 1>supports the model that brain areas are quote task machines,

0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>not sensory machines. But that's really interesting again, if they're corrected,

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:52.839
<v Speaker 1>it suggests that there's something deeper about reading that is

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:57.560
<v Speaker 1>more fundamental than visual processing. Reading isn't just about seeing.

0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:00.480
<v Speaker 1>There's something in the brain that is the reading function

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:04.759
<v Speaker 1>that's deeper than seeing. And that's really when you get

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:06.600
<v Speaker 1>down to it, like, that's what brail does. It like

0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:10.399
<v Speaker 1>it it gets straight to that process and cuts out

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:13.680
<v Speaker 1>the complexities of just trying to take this existing visual

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:17.719
<v Speaker 1>system and make it uh readable by the blind. You know.

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Another way that I think Brail is really interesting in

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:25.680
<v Speaker 1>technology history is it is absolutely not a case where

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<v Speaker 1>the delay and the invention of Brail was caused by

0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:33.560
<v Speaker 1>some lack of technology. Right. It wasn't that that we

0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't have electricity or didn't have X, Y or z

0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 1>that allowed us to produce this technology. It was really

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 1>just a lack of people turning their attention towards this

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:47.560
<v Speaker 1>task and putting resources into it. Right. There is a

0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 1>certain level of cultural advancement that needed to be in place,

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:54.120
<v Speaker 1>cultural values that needed to be in place. I also

0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:55.560
<v Speaker 1>think there's a case to be made for just sort

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.280
<v Speaker 1>of the shrinking of the world, you know, the growing

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 1>of populations, and and also the way that the communities

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:07.320
<v Speaker 1>of the blind could be brought together too in cases

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 1>like this begin to solve problems that they faced individually.

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 1>That means that they faced as a group, you know,

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 1>because there's a school for the blind, there's a place

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:19.360
<v Speaker 1>for Charles Barbier to go with his night writing invention

0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:22.440
<v Speaker 1>and say I think this might be useful exactly, and

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 1>then a place for an individual like Brail to rise

0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:28.799
<v Speaker 1>to prominence. Yes, now I didn't even you know, I

0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:31.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't even go down the sort of sci fi track

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 1>here on this, but it does make me wonder if

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 1>there are any science fiction treatments that explore the possibility

0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:44.000
<v Speaker 1>of of what a written communications system in an inherently

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 1>blind uh civilization might consist of. You know, um, because

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:53.640
<v Speaker 1>one of the we focused on some of the the

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.840
<v Speaker 1>interesting aspects of Brail in which it is a system

0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:00.560
<v Speaker 1>by the blind for the blind, but of course it

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 1>is based that it stems from a system and a

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:07.440
<v Speaker 1>culture of the sided. Uh. One wonders like what a

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:12.719
<v Speaker 1>purely um, a purely a tactile writing system might have

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 1>consisted of. Maybe it would be very much like Brail. Well,

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 1>there you have to wonder again. Either way, language begins

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:22.239
<v Speaker 1>as a spoken and heard the like it's oral um

0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:26.759
<v Speaker 1>and so that it gets translated into symbolic coding like alphabets,

0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:29.239
<v Speaker 1>and then later like brail. You didn't have to have

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:31.840
<v Speaker 1>the alphabet in between. You could have gone straight from

0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:35.239
<v Speaker 1>spoken language to brail, right, but it had to start

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:37.920
<v Speaker 1>with spoken language there. I wonder are you asking, maybe,

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:42.320
<v Speaker 1>like if you could have gone straight from an auditory

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:45.560
<v Speaker 1>and spoken language to brail or a language that is

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 1>tactile from the beginning, Yeah, Like what would like would

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:52.560
<v Speaker 1>it would it? Would it be necessary too? Like we

0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:57.280
<v Speaker 1>have the alphabet standing between spoken word and brail? Uh,

0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, what would it would it be like if

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 1>there was a more erect line between these two systems,

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 1>or would it just be necessary to invent something like

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:09.319
<v Speaker 1>the alphabet some other version of the alphabet to to

0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 1>serve as these sort the translation of these two sensory experiences.

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't see any inherent reason that would have to

0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:21.319
<v Speaker 1>be anyway. I find language technology generally fascinating, and I

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:23.800
<v Speaker 1>want to continue to return to the idea of language

0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:26.800
<v Speaker 1>technologies as we as we go on in this show,

0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 1>because I wanted, for example, explore the idea of invented

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.400
<v Speaker 1>languages people try to invent languages. Why do these not

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:36.920
<v Speaker 1>catch on? How come it's so hard now impossible to

0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 1>really do it? Oh? Yes, I definitely want to come

0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:42.240
<v Speaker 1>back to this, because you have you have invented languages

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:45.360
<v Speaker 1>that sort of have a a higher or more noble purpose,

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:48.320
<v Speaker 1>and then you you have um fictional languages of the

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 1>likes of Klingon, which are which is still a linguistic

0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:56.759
<v Speaker 1>linguistic system created. Uh you know, with all the hallmarks

0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 1>of an actual language. It can be learned, it can

0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:02.279
<v Speaker 1>be spoken. Uh So yeah, I would love to come

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:04.960
<v Speaker 1>back and discuss that. So much of the of that

0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:07.279
<v Speaker 1>is uh, you know, not being a linguist myself, and

0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, the concept is is kind of foreig into me. Like,

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:13.440
<v Speaker 1>for instance, when I think of JR. Tolken, you know,

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:15.399
<v Speaker 1>it's easy to think, oh, you know, I'm totally behind

0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the idea of setting down and creating an entire world

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:22.239
<v Speaker 1>of of monsters and magic. But then the idea of

0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:26.440
<v Speaker 1>setting down and also creating an entire language for one

0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 1>of the people's or numerous uh species in the given world,

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.080
<v Speaker 1>that just sounds like way too much worked for me.

0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:35.400
<v Speaker 1>But then again, I'm not a linguist. Maybe creating languages

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:36.840
<v Speaker 1>is one of those things, kind of like playing a

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:39.839
<v Speaker 1>musical instrument, Like it's not really fun until you're good

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:43.160
<v Speaker 1>enough to do it, you know. Yeah, Like it seems

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:45.279
<v Speaker 1>not fun to you because you wouldn't know where to start.

0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 1>But if you were a linguist and you had all

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:49.640
<v Speaker 1>kinds ideas about the roots of language and how words

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.240
<v Speaker 1>are formed and all that, maybe then it's just a blast.

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:54.719
<v Speaker 1>One thing I would love to explore in this hypothetical

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:58.960
<v Speaker 1>episode on fictional languages is if one had to choose so,

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:03.359
<v Speaker 1>like an alien species comes down dominates the earth and says,

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:06.560
<v Speaker 1>all right, all your all these existing languages that you're using,

0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:08.359
<v Speaker 1>they're all garbage. We're getting rid of all of them.

0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 1>You guys get to vote on it, on which language

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:14.080
<v Speaker 1>you're all going to use, But it can only be

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:17.799
<v Speaker 1>a language that was developed exclusively for a film or

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:22.040
<v Speaker 1>TV show, Like which one is? Like, is nave better

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:25.040
<v Speaker 1>than cling on? Is cling is close? Doth rat Like,

0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:29.080
<v Speaker 1>what is the most robust and useful fictional language system?

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:32.520
<v Speaker 1>The doth racky have no words? The thought experiment. Yeah,

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:34.400
<v Speaker 1>that's see, that's the problem that I feel like we

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 1>might run into it. It's probably cling on. That's my my,

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:41.920
<v Speaker 1>my guests. Based on some very preliminary research, the cling

0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.400
<v Speaker 1>on seems to maybe have received the most work, but

0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:46.440
<v Speaker 1>I could be very wrong on that, you know, Robert,

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:49.759
<v Speaker 1>Judging on our history with listener mail, I bet a

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:52.080
<v Speaker 1>couple of listeners are going to write in with thoughts

0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:55.359
<v Speaker 1>about this. We're gonna receive some opinions. Well, I hope so.

0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:57.879
<v Speaker 1>And likewise, I do hope we hear from from any

0:45:57.920 --> 0:46:01.920
<v Speaker 1>listener out there who who needs Brail or you know,

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 1>anybody who is blind or vision impaired that has some

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:08.320
<v Speaker 1>additional insight that they would like to share on this topic.

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:11.160
<v Speaker 1>And also, if you've I mean, if you've had the

0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:15.680
<v Speaker 1>experience of both reading printed text and reading brail, do

0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:18.120
<v Speaker 1>you think that there is a major difference in the

0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:20.600
<v Speaker 1>experience of reading the two And if so, what is

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:22.960
<v Speaker 1>that difference? Like? All right, so we're gonna close it

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