Speaker 1: It's three two in San Luis Obispo, and you're listening
Speaker 1: tonight Call. Hello everybody, and welcome to Night Call, the
Speaker 1: podcast for those foamy nights in those subsy days. Joining
Speaker 1: me as always today in Los Angeles is Tess Lynch
Speaker 1: and joining us today a very special guest, our friend,
Speaker 1: Brook Baker. Welcome Brooke. Hey. UM, I'm Brook Baker. I'm
Speaker 1: a writer, UM, attempting to be a writer in Los Angeles, California. UM.
Speaker 1: And I'm a good friend of Molly and Tess. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Brooke has been on my other podcast, Molly Sleazy Friends.
Speaker 1: She came on to talk about vander Pump Rules, which
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about a little bit again today.
Speaker 1: A lot of things have happened in the vander Pump verse. UM.
Speaker 1: But first we wanted to say congratulations to Emily Yoshida,
Speaker 1: who is now a married woman. Congratulations Emily at least
Speaker 1: on your hate to wait. We will see you soon
Speaker 1: when you get back from your honeymoon. But congratulations on
Speaker 1: doing the thing, doing the damn thing. I think that
Speaker 1: you were going to explain that Emily and her husband
Speaker 1: have a podcast connection. It is true. Emily met her
Speaker 1: husband on our old podcast Girls and Hoodies when he
Speaker 1: was a guest. Real super fans can track down that
Speaker 1: episode to hear the sparks fly in real time. But also,
Speaker 1: I feel like I've told that to people and people
Speaker 1: get really excited at the idea of a podcast romance.
Speaker 1: Have there been more? Um Mark Marin reconnected with Moon
Speaker 1: Unit Zappa on. So, I mean I believe that Mark
Speaker 1: Marin interviews his ex girlfriends. Yeah, I think Mark Marin
Speaker 1: is DTF anyone on WTF. There may be some podcasts
Speaker 1: where people like have guests on for the purpose of
Speaker 1: you know, I think part of it is, so there's
Speaker 1: three of us right now and we're huddled around, huddled
Speaker 1: around one mike, and I think maybe it just kind
Speaker 1: of forces you this intimacy, like we might all get
Speaker 1: married by the end of this. There is something really
Speaker 1: intimate about talking to somebody just on a mic. Uh.
Speaker 1: It feels intimate and even more intimate when your faces
Speaker 1: are all smushed together. It feels funnily enough, like a
Speaker 1: like a slumber party. Yeah, like we're recording this just
Speaker 1: for fun, Like we're all like curled up on the
Speaker 1: sleeping bags in front of the TV. And this does
Speaker 1: feel like we're about to do a musical number. Um,
Speaker 1: maybe we will, we will. We're going to do a
Speaker 1: little routine first about the Kylie Jenner leggings that she
Speaker 1: just wore today, because I brought this photo to show
Speaker 1: the class and everybody was like, so we're recording this
Speaker 1: a week before, right, will be heard by you? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's important that we illustrate for your mind
Speaker 1: right now these leggings. Yeah, somebody tell me, what do
Speaker 1: you think about these leggings that Kylie Jenner just debuted. Well,
Speaker 1: they look a bit like spanks meets a wetsuit. They're
Speaker 1: heavily seemed extremely compressed through the waste. And I thought
Speaker 1: they were interesting because they're Alexander Wang. And this weekend
Speaker 1: Beyonce and jay Z the Carter's dropped Everything is Love
Speaker 1: and Beyonce shouts out Alexander Wang, And it was the
Speaker 1: same day that Kylie like worthies. I thought that was
Speaker 1: a coincidence or a weird one, because Alexander Wang isn't
Speaker 1: really on the thought Instagram circuit, like it's all Gucci
Speaker 1: and like whatever else. Um, and they look really weird
Speaker 1: on her. They also look like a diaper. I would
Speaker 1: I'll take a stab. So these are I would say,
Speaker 1: an off white kind of gray legging that goes It's
Speaker 1: hard to say exactly where they cut off. I mean,
Speaker 1: because this is of asleep. There's a band um and
Speaker 1: the seams go straight down the midline. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they look like if you were wearing underpants over
Speaker 1: leggings that were illustrated to almost look like a skeleton. Um.
Speaker 1: It looks like somebody drew a vagina on top of
Speaker 1: her vagina. I would feel like I was dancing around
Speaker 1: saying that exact same thing. This seems now we love
Speaker 1: leggings here at Nightcall. We told you about our love
Speaker 1: of leggings before, but this seems I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: get into the bike shorts debate here. Oh yeah, Molly
Speaker 1: hates bike shorts. But I like, I've been processing my
Speaker 1: feelings about it all week, and I'm like, why do
Speaker 1: I hate it? I don't hate yoga pants. Those are
Speaker 1: just long bike shorts. And then I heard a woman
Speaker 1: in a store telling the people at the store about
Speaker 1: how her boyfriend had objected to her bike shorts. What
Speaker 1: do you objected to? What? She was like, you know, like,
Speaker 1: men don't understand it's fashion. Like I was gonna I
Speaker 1: put on my outfit and I had like these bike
Speaker 1: shorts and I was wearing them with he holes. And
Speaker 1: he was like, what are you doing? Fair question? What
Speaker 1: was she doing? Why she's not biking in those names?
Speaker 1: Like you look like you just ran a k And
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe I side with her again, because
Speaker 1: if that's what you want to wear, I mean, I
Speaker 1: get if it's functional. Like my friend, my friend Elizabeth
Speaker 1: the Rhine Course sent me a picture of her wearing
Speaker 1: bike shorts like to ride a bike in a bike race,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I have no problem with that. Pro
Speaker 1: bike shorts is function. Bike shorts under a dress or
Speaker 1: a skirt. Well, that's been big a lot. But it
Speaker 1: just reminds me of like third grade so much, I think,
Speaker 1: and of like I don't know, I'm just like it
Speaker 1: reminds me, I was saying, of like the kid on
Speaker 1: the playground that like maybe eats their own bookers, you know,
Speaker 1: just weird whoa whoa my friend always talked about like
Speaker 1: she's like, you know that one weird kid on the playground.
Speaker 1: She just wears like a huge T shirt and like
Speaker 1: sweatpants like that isn't like, yeah, are our kid like that?
Speaker 1: He used to like stand against the chain ln fence
Speaker 1: and just run against it. And then it took us
Speaker 1: until we were all sixteen seventeen to realize he was
Speaker 1: just like masturbating it recess for years. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I grew up, like I spent some of my childhood
Speaker 1: in a very rural area and there was like we
Speaker 1: were biking frequently, and I feel like you didn't have
Speaker 1: that many options when it was super hot. You didn't
Speaker 1: want to wear leggings, like, but Kim Kardashian has options
Speaker 1: and she's I get it because it's like it became
Speaker 1: I don't know if it started in high fashion or
Speaker 1: if it started like on Fashion Nova, but it just
Speaker 1: became like a thing in streetwear where everybody was wearing
Speaker 1: bike shorts as like a thing like bike shorts, and
Speaker 1: like a crop top is like your look, and it
Speaker 1: does look good on people who have amazing bodies, like
Speaker 1: anything does. But the thing that I'm always like very
Speaker 1: stressed about when I see it is like can can
Speaker 1: your body breathe? You know, like it seems to defeat
Speaker 1: the purpose of shorts to me, which is to like
Speaker 1: be comfortable, comfortable, and like have as much airflow all
Speaker 1: over your body as possible, and that I'm always just like,
Speaker 1: I'm just they just look like a yeast infection to me.
Speaker 1: It's very easty. Yeah, it's super easty. So it's like
Speaker 1: I try to avoid things that just look like east
Speaker 1: infection just as a rule. East. Well, here's a question.
Speaker 1: Do you guys have any items of clothing that are
Speaker 1: repellent to you? Or is it bike shorts or I
Speaker 1: mean is there something else? Oh? Wow, you mean that?
Speaker 1: Like I don't like that. You you don't like them
Speaker 1: on other people, you would never wear them yourself. It's
Speaker 1: like a it's a just for yours. I feel like
Speaker 1: you have turtlenecks. Wow? You that fast? Well, because I
Speaker 1: was talking about this yesterday with my one of my
Speaker 1: kids who was telling me that. He was like, I
Speaker 1: don't understand why everyone started wearing these baby outfits. And
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you talking about? And he
Speaker 1: was like, they look like what put babies in. They
Speaker 1: had their like pants that go up to your your
Speaker 1: chest and they have straps. And I was like, you're
Speaker 1: talking about overalls and he was like, I just see
Speaker 1: all of these grown ups these like there's kids in
Speaker 1: my class and they were like, they look they all
Speaker 1: look like they're dressed up as babies. And I was like,
Speaker 1: well they I've actually been considering getting a bear of overalls. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, I would you be embarrassed? And he
Speaker 1: was like, please don't do that to me. And I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I have the same thing, not a
Speaker 1: cowl neck, but a tight turtleneck. Interesting. I think it
Speaker 1: makes people look like penises. See. I think I'm pro
Speaker 1: turtleneck because of Nora fro the double header of Nora
Speaker 1: Efron and Audrey Hepburn. Yeah, well Nora felt bad about
Speaker 1: her neck, you know, I know the Steve Jobs turtleneck. Like, hey,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. But you know, for some reason,
Speaker 1: I looked at the picture of Sharon Stone when she
Speaker 1: wore the gap turtleneck to the Oscars and I was like,
Speaker 1: remember what a huge moment that was. That that was
Speaker 1: like just months of news like she bore a turtleneck
Speaker 1: from that she was promoting or had just done basic instincts.
Speaker 1: Everyone had like seen her vagina and she was like
Speaker 1: going the op, but don't look at my neck. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: sometimes I think that's funny. Tess and I have a
Speaker 1: long running joke about how the funniest clothing is a
Speaker 1: turtleneck with like a hole cut out for the nipple. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just to two nipple holes. And that's we didn't we
Speaker 1: discuss doing this for Halloween, but we just never a lot.
Speaker 1: Is like why, like it's so funny because it would
Speaker 1: be just like, you know, so risque. I wonder when
Speaker 1: Kylie will get to that. I mean, maybe we can
Speaker 1: we can push culture in this direction if we just say, like,
Speaker 1: you want to do something really subversive, then dress in
Speaker 1: a head to toe shroud, but with only your nipples.
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying. Also about these Kylie the
Speaker 1: Alexander Waying leggings, is that what makes them funny again
Speaker 1: and like acceptable to me is that they look like
Speaker 1: a jock strap. Yes, and that was like it's funny
Speaker 1: for like women to wear jock straps. You know, keep
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Speaker 1: the funny things to me about those leggings is they
Speaker 1: have a zipper like she's zipped into them. You can
Speaker 1: see on the photos on the side. Yeah, full disclosure.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing fabiletics like you're writing a full plate, full
Speaker 1: plates outfit. I did do pilates, I earned it, but
Speaker 1: still I'm going to wear this for the rest of day,
Speaker 1: and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't going
Speaker 1: through a little gap turtleneck on. Yeah, I'm done. I'm
Speaker 1: ready for the Oscar, I think. Um, but like the
Speaker 1: point of leggings is that you don't have to zip
Speaker 1: into them exactly. Now I'm seeing, like, what if that's
Speaker 1: the next turn is They're like, now we're going to
Speaker 1: add a bunch of stuff on the street where that
Speaker 1: like formalizes it and makes it uncomfortable. Well, there was
Speaker 1: a really good thing in Sense magazine that I think
Speaker 1: I have no idea how to pronounce, said it's s
Speaker 1: S E N S E S. Since the Canadian fashion
Speaker 1: magazine that I've written a couple of things for, they
Speaker 1: had a really good thing that was a review of
Speaker 1: the Balenciaga Triple S sneaker, which is like the sneaker
Speaker 1: that's like a joke about sneakers. They were like, it's
Speaker 1: like non functional basically, they were like, it's a postmodern sneaker,
Speaker 1: so it's like incredibly heavy. It looks like it's like
Speaker 1: the ultimate athletics shoe, but it's too heavy to walk in,
Speaker 1: so like walking around in it is really uncomfortable. And
Speaker 1: just like, but it signifies status. Also, wait, don't you
Speaker 1: guys remember there were sneakers like oh Man fifteen years
Speaker 1: ago that were super heavy and had kind of curved souls,
Speaker 1: and the whole thing was it was supposed to They
Speaker 1: were supposed tone your legs, got your shape ups there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were shape ups. But then I think that there
Speaker 1: was maybe I want to say that they were called
Speaker 1: m B T s, but I feel like that might
Speaker 1: be the wave of people being like I wore them,
Speaker 1: my mother wore them, and they weighed a billion, and
Speaker 1: you felt like you were on some kind of like
Speaker 1: a surfboard and lifting your feet was such a shore
Speaker 1: and of course you got like great calf muscles, but
Speaker 1: you were wearing these shoes all the time. The only
Speaker 1: thing I ever wanted was moon bounce shoes. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I never got that. You were going to talk about
Speaker 1: soaps the skate shoes that allow you to grind on rails, Remember, dude,
Speaker 1: great sneaker period. Do you remember that, Kate, where were
Speaker 1: they called kapas where you could um They had these
Speaker 1: little like triangular colorful things that you would pop into
Speaker 1: them so that you could like represent your cheerleading squad.
Speaker 1: I've had those. Were you a cheerleader? No, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what I really want because I'm like a closet sneakerhead.
Speaker 1: I just said that out loud, and no, I want
Speaker 1: to take it sneakerhead. Um. But there's like these nikes
Speaker 1: that are coming out that are just Nike sandals that
Speaker 1: have little fanny packs. What get them? And I just
Speaker 1: do you just see something? Sometimes you're like, I want
Speaker 1: that care if it can hold anything. I actually I
Speaker 1: remember on a podcast, I don't know what podcast it was, Molly.
Speaker 1: On some podcasts you were talking about the fenty slides
Speaker 1: that were like satin and you said on the podcast
Speaker 1: like they're the ultimate fetish item because they're not functional. Update.
Speaker 1: I've had mine for a year and they still look flies.
Speaker 1: I take back everything I just wanted. But when you
Speaker 1: said that, I was like, maybe Molly's right, and my
Speaker 1: shoes were going to fall apart. And it was probably
Speaker 1: more thinking about me and how dirty they would get
Speaker 1: if I wore them outside, which is why I bought
Speaker 1: the Target knockoff version of those sides, because I did
Speaker 1: want them, but I was also like, I can't justify
Speaker 1: buying these all just like ruin them immediately, which is
Speaker 1: how I feel about the people who have like the
Speaker 1: white broken stocks, you know, that became such a thing
Speaker 1: and I was like, who are these people that are
Speaker 1: wearing white broken stocks in like Manhattan and walking around
Speaker 1: all day? And then they like, don't just become like disgusting. Well,
Speaker 1: you can magic eraser anything, but it's just like a
Speaker 1: status symbol of like I only have to walk from
Speaker 1: like the cabs totally house or whatever. The uber the
Speaker 1: uber black. Do you guys wear clogs? No, my sister
Speaker 1: does that. How How do people wear cloths? I tried to.
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, oh, everything's better since I started wearing cloths.
Speaker 1: And I was like, it hurts so bad to wear
Speaker 1: these people a lot and shoot people people like it?
Speaker 1: Do they like the pain aspect of it? They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it must be working because it's painful. It's it's I mean,
Speaker 1: I had such a heart. I had to take them
Speaker 1: off within five minutes. I was like, I cannot wear these.
Speaker 1: Have your sister call in and tell us how a person. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm okay, So there are two kinds of clogs. I'm
Speaker 1: realizing my sister has shoes that are the brand clogs
Speaker 1: that are insane. I'll send a photo for the pod um.
Speaker 1: We're talking about crocs here, clocks are made of wood
Speaker 1: and she doesn't have those. I think there are people
Speaker 1: that are really into the like, you know, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: so like minimalist. I just like put my feet just
Speaker 1: need wood to walk across. So Scandinavian. Yeah, it seems
Speaker 1: like it's part of that. Scandinavian fetishism. Also seems like
Speaker 1: low key racist to me always, the Scandinavian fetishization. What
Speaker 1: are we because it's Scandinavia, Like, what are we really
Speaker 1: like fetishizing here? You know? Would? Yeah, I was a
Speaker 1: bevel last night? Is that how you say it? And
Speaker 1: it's like a super like Scandinavian wed dream. I will
Speaker 1: say that. It's like really amazing food, but it's fun.
Speaker 1: They serve it to you on like some wood. The
Speaker 1: whole thing is would. I mean, it's just like it's wood,
Speaker 1: it's crochet, it's plants. I mean it's like it's like
Speaker 1: that can Folk magazine, like the food is good, the
Speaker 1: wineless is great, whatever, Like Can Folk Magazine turned out
Speaker 1: to be Mormon. Everything turns out to be lost. Mormons
Speaker 1: have great esthetics as we all know, right Mormon Mommy box.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're not trying to be Scandinavians. We're just trying
Speaker 1: to be warm trying. But if the found out i
Speaker 1: Ka was warmon, I would not be surprised we found
Speaker 1: out Ikia was made by a Nazi. That was a
Speaker 1: previous episode. Guys, moving on to the brunch lifestyle that
Speaker 1: you wear clocks to brook you went to a very
Speaker 1: special brunch. I did so last weekend in Los Angeles, Hollywood,
Speaker 1: California was Pride. Um. My good friend was like, do
Speaker 1: you want to go to sir for Pride Brunch? And
Speaker 1: I said, not only do I want to, I want
Speaker 1: to be there first. So you got there at ten
Speaker 1: thirty am. Um when Sheina we walked in and it
Speaker 1: was like Sheina la la Um Katie and they were
Speaker 1: all like still doing their makeup, and the film crew
Speaker 1: was there and they were just shooting b rolled. The
Speaker 1: whole restaurant was like empty, so they were like shooting
Speaker 1: b rolled like sandbal like making drinks like fast, and
Speaker 1: like there was like they put they like pushed everyone
Speaker 1: up to the bar so it looked like it was
Speaker 1: packed and d J. James Kennedy was so high on
Speaker 1: pasta um and just like DJ fake djaying hiss like
Speaker 1: on his heart out, but he kept like getting up.
Speaker 1: He just kept like singing along and like staying at
Speaker 1: DJJ has it goes. It was like that, do you
Speaker 1: guys remember that photo of like Paris Hilton, like fake
Speaker 1: DJing and there was like the guy picking up. It
Speaker 1: was like that, there was like a dude that was
Speaker 1: like actually DJing. And then to be fair, a lot
Speaker 1: of DJ's ghost dj their own mixes. Oh do you
Speaker 1: think DJ poly D does that. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say no. I mean you can find you can figure
Speaker 1: out who doesn't who doesn't if you watch them perform live.
Speaker 1: Look at Molly unwilling to offend any DJ by naming you,
Speaker 1: And I'm just going to say, well, I don't know
Speaker 1: for sure. It's like an allegedly situation, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like some people preprogram their mixes, especially people
Speaker 1: who play like big shows like that whole time. But
Speaker 1: also you know, more honest to just have the GHOSTDJ.
Speaker 1: Just like personally, I'm going to keep the dream of
Speaker 1: DJ poly D alive because like I could say, pold
Speaker 1: might really I know how to spend I think, you know, listen,
Speaker 1: he has that Italian flag laptop, Like, I think he
Speaker 1: knows what's going on. You all love DJ, and then
Speaker 1: he knows how to beat match. I would have sex
Speaker 1: with him like it wouldn't take anything, it would take
Speaker 1: no effort on his Well, I'm just saying, you know,
Speaker 1: Nicole called into the pod, so we do have a
Speaker 1: I saw that I need to listen to that. I'm
Speaker 1: a sicky. Tell your aliens to send DJ to night Call. Yes,
Speaker 1: tell um, snooky. You can tell Poldy that I have
Speaker 1: been to Italy. And even though I'm not Italian, I
Speaker 1: was raised Catholic and I am d t F. I
Speaker 1: live in Los Angeles. I'm easy to find. UM. So
Speaker 1: I was at this brunch and so we had to
Speaker 1: sign releases so I might be seen. So we'll do
Speaker 1: an update pod um in six months when it airs. Um.
Speaker 1: But it was really amazing. I mean they should be
Speaker 1: roll and we were like standing in a lot of shots.
Speaker 1: So they made us like sit down at a table
Speaker 1: um and then we just sort of like watched the
Speaker 1: show get produced in front of us. And I keep
Speaker 1: joking that it was like I'm not joking it was
Speaker 1: like interactive brunch theater. I mean you just like Jackson Brittany,
Speaker 1: who had gotten engaged. I think like three days before,
Speaker 1: we're like paraded through the restaurant. I was in the
Speaker 1: shot and in the way and they had to like
Speaker 1: physically move me out because I wasn't paying attention, and
Speaker 1: then they walked past me and then like went to
Speaker 1: the back to like talk to somebody who I assume
Speaker 1: was like against the engagement because like Jack's got really heated,
Speaker 1: and people were like recording on their phones. We were
Speaker 1: told by the producers that were allowed to take still
Speaker 1: images but not video recordings. And then there was like
Speaker 1: a fight in this hallway, and I realized that they
Speaker 1: all fight in this one hallway in the restaurant because
Speaker 1: it's really good lighting. And I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: wonder this is where they all fin fight in that
Speaker 1: one hallway, right, And it's also because it's like the
Speaker 1: entrance to the cigarette smoking area. Then when the show started,
Speaker 1: they all would go out there to smoke cigarettes all
Speaker 1: the time. But they were people who worked at a
Speaker 1: restaurant and we're all on ouderall and we're two was
Speaker 1: it you made the joke? But like Basically, these were
Speaker 1: all people that like, if the show hadn't started, they
Speaker 1: would have realized in the next six months l A
Speaker 1: wasn't going to work for them. And well, that's that
Speaker 1: is the best thing I've heard. That's my friend Lauren
Speaker 1: her stick to Lauren. She made that joke last night.
Speaker 1: She's right, um so, and they're what's great about them
Speaker 1: is I think they all know that, and so they're
Speaker 1: all like super like you can go there at any
Speaker 1: moment and take photos of the cast and talk to
Speaker 1: them and congratulate them on their engagement, like firsthand, Like
Speaker 1: I did that snobby not snobby reality famous people because
Speaker 1: they are dependent on being reality famous to like exist
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Um and Sina's extensions look worse in person.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm saying Shanna should go on Queer Eye,
Speaker 1: just like the emotional like build up. Yeah, exactly. Did
Speaker 1: you watch the like outtakes episode? I watched the first
Speaker 1: half of it rules that was like just all these
Speaker 1: other plotlines they didn't air, But you just made me
Speaker 1: realize also how much they must film, because there was
Speaker 1: so much good stuff in this episode that wasn't a
Speaker 1: real episode, and I was like, this is just as
Speaker 1: good as all the episodes. We I have to interrupt
Speaker 1: you guys, because I know that I'm not the only
Speaker 1: person who doesn't watch Vanderpump Rules. So Brooke, can you
Speaker 1: give the elevator pitch for why everyone should watch? Vander
Speaker 1: Pump Rules is a show about a restaurant with Hollywood
Speaker 1: called Sexy Unique Restaurant, Sir Restaurant, Sexyna Restaurant, Restaurant, Um
Speaker 1: They're the show started, it was about as Stacie h
Speaker 1: Stacie is one of the main kind of the main
Speaker 1: girl of this show, but um Stasie sort of said like,
Speaker 1: we're the hottest at the hottest restaurant, Like neither of
Speaker 1: which are true, but like that's the delusion that runs
Speaker 1: the show. And what's great about this show is all
Speaker 1: of these people were friends before they started filming, so
Speaker 1: they're like reference ship that happened like before they were
Speaker 1: on TV, like the reference like that fight they got
Speaker 1: into in Florida and like two thousand four, so that
Speaker 1: was that was when we only knew of them kind
Speaker 1: of through Real Housewives, and they were like it was
Speaker 1: a backdoor pilot from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills because
Speaker 1: at least the vander Pump's restaurant, and the idea is,
Speaker 1: like I keep saying, it's like melrose Place. It's like
Speaker 1: a group of people who like basically lived together, work together,
Speaker 1: and love together. And there's like a lot of dating
Speaker 1: between everybody, and then breakups and then everybody cheating and lying.
Speaker 1: Everybody still has to work together. And because they were
Speaker 1: all real friends and really like they basically all say like,
Speaker 1: this is just what we were like. And then we
Speaker 1: started filming it and they were trapped in who the
Speaker 1: characters that they had been when they were twenty trapped
Speaker 1: as relative but I would say that they own it
Speaker 1: and are happy to be in these saucy left at
Speaker 1: one point, which was actually but I was saying, it
Speaker 1: was like it became like it becomes more relatable the
Speaker 1: more you watch it. I started watching it because I
Speaker 1: was like, who are these people? I would never care
Speaker 1: about this, And then I was like, they're just like us.
Speaker 1: They're all like trying to get by in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: and like make enough money to pay rent and like
Speaker 1: stay here. Uh, And would you guys on a show
Speaker 1: like Molly, I feel like you would not look. I
Speaker 1: don't know. But then I've also thought a lot about
Speaker 1: like the dystopian future, where like you get to like
Speaker 1: have a house if somebody like films you in it
Speaker 1: twenty four hours ago. Just hypothetically say that someone was like,
Speaker 1: I'll give you whatever a hundred grand a year. You
Speaker 1: get healthcare through SAG, which I'm assuming they joined screen
Speaker 1: Actors guilled and because some guild policies. Right, let's talk
Speaker 1: guilt politics. But would you what would you be willing
Speaker 1: to do under those terms if you were going to
Speaker 1: be a reality star? Okay, I would not do reality
Speaker 1: circa Jersey Shore first run. I would do Jersey Shore.
Speaker 1: I would do reality now so you do like meta
Speaker 1: self aware kind of Really, I would do it now
Speaker 1: that it's more fourth wall breaking, and now that there's
Speaker 1: a way to actually make money when you're not on camera,
Speaker 1: and now that reality stars are not necessarily in the
Speaker 1: town square to be pilloried but just sort of accepted
Speaker 1: as part of the celebrity class. Yeah, I would do it. Nice. Um.
Speaker 1: I would never do one of those shows where you
Speaker 1: have to sign a thing that they can film you
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day, which is how love and
Speaker 1: hip hop I think works really Yeah, which is also
Speaker 1: I love and hip hop is amazing, but it's like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that because I would need to have
Speaker 1: a work life separation. But like if someone came to
Speaker 1: us tomorrow and was like, hey, we're trying to make
Speaker 1: like the real bloggers of Tessa's garage, if it were
Speaker 1: just two friends who smoked, we also like that that
Speaker 1: you're right though, because like we we couldn't even deal
Speaker 1: with like being filmed doing a podcast because we are like, well,
Speaker 1: we couldn't for our current price tech. But it's perhaps
Speaker 1: if somebody wants to film I'm I'm leaning towards of
Speaker 1: rook saying, I mean, really, well, if it weren't twenty
Speaker 1: four hours a day, if you could say smart like
Speaker 1: I'm on the clock, I'm off the clock, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that was a smart caveat because I think
Speaker 1: that that's really the trick, is that it's performative in
Speaker 1: much the same way that blogging was. You know, I
Speaker 1: think we've talked about this a lot with vander Pump,
Speaker 1: Like the thing with the reunion this year on Van
Speaker 1: or Pump is that like some of the people understand
Speaker 1: where the line is more than others on that show,
Speaker 1: and like figure out a way to have the work
Speaker 1: life separation. But then if you have it too much,
Speaker 1: they threatened to demote you if you're like not due
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Speaker 1: and every other listening destination. I think reality shows have
Speaker 1: changed so much in the past fifteen years and what
Speaker 1: we expect of our reality stars is different. I was
Speaker 1: listening to a podcast um Invisible, and they were talking
Speaker 1: about laugh tracks and how laugh tracks were initially brought
Speaker 1: in to kind of teach people how to watch TV
Speaker 1: in their homes because it was the first time they
Speaker 1: were separating from like seeing entertainment live. I was like
Speaker 1: sitting at home. So they were like, now you can
Speaker 1: you can laugh like alone, you can like laugh along
Speaker 1: with the audience. And I feel like there was a
Speaker 1: period of time where we had to learn how to
Speaker 1: watch reality and so they didn't acknowledge that it was
Speaker 1: a reality show, and they tried to teach it, teach
Speaker 1: us like, oh, this is just like a normal show,
Speaker 1: but it's just like real people. And now I think
Speaker 1: that wall is breaking down and so they can be
Speaker 1: more honest of like, this is what I chose to
Speaker 1: put on camera, and this is what I chose to
Speaker 1: not put on camera, and this is why. And I think,
Speaker 1: like Stacy a few years ago, one of the reasons
Speaker 1: she had a big falling out with Shena. She felt
Speaker 1: like Sina was spreading around that there was like a
Speaker 1: sex tape of Stas and saucis like, you know why
Speaker 1: we're not friends, Like it's about this sex tape, which
Speaker 1: is like a common shop actually in reality show. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know so I think like now that we
Speaker 1: as an audience like understand what reality shows are, I
Speaker 1: think it's safer to be a reality star. And I
Speaker 1: think also, I mean when you consider that fourteen years
Speaker 1: ago or whatever, you know, nobody was We talked about this,
Speaker 1: I think in the last podcast of the difference between
Speaker 1: looking at printed photos, you know, and then the selfies,
Speaker 1: and like also just being comfortable sharing so much with people,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you're like, why is
Speaker 1: it really something to like feel self conscious about? At
Speaker 1: this point, it doesn't even seem that way, right, reality
Speaker 1: is sort of crossing into just like this is like
Speaker 1: not that much different from scripted programming. It's just that
Speaker 1: it's more like improv drama sort of how I think
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, And it's on that like incredibly long
Speaker 1: time scale. The good shows like Mander Pump Rules is
Speaker 1: amazing because it starts out really strong and then it
Speaker 1: gets crazier every season. So at first all the seasons
Speaker 1: are about like somebody is accused of having cheated on someone,
Speaker 1: and then the whole season is them denying it and
Speaker 1: then at the end being like, yeah, Okay, I did it.
Speaker 1: It's like reality show meets Veronica Mars. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: little bit like a murder mystery of like, you know,
Speaker 1: did Jack's have sex with a girl? Spoiler always yes.
Speaker 1: But then it's like that pattern repeats itself every season,
Speaker 1: and by like the fifth or sixth time that Jack's
Speaker 1: is like blowing a relationship by cheating, you're like really
Speaker 1: invested in Jack's, you know, and you're like it's like
Speaker 1: Don Draper, You're like, is he gonna like figure it out?
Speaker 1: Canny be redeemed, like he seems really self aware to
Speaker 1: like what makes Jack's a great character, And there's like
Speaker 1: a lot of like, well, how can you not be
Speaker 1: self aware in a way after that many seasons of
Speaker 1: watching yourself on television because not everybody is like but
Speaker 1: I mean, you get to see what your arc has
Speaker 1: been formed as right, But if you were Jack's and
Speaker 1: you like saw your arc, you'd be like, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: be on television because like, I'm really embarrassing. Its long
Speaker 1: con all the time. I think it is like the
Speaker 1: ring he bought Brittany is worth seventy and he paid
Speaker 1: fifty k for it. Like that's the kind of money
Speaker 1: these people are making now. They never would have made
Speaker 1: that legit, but for the show, they sort of have
Speaker 1: to pretend that they're still struggling, you know, because that's
Speaker 1: like how the show works. Like my friend was talking
Speaker 1: about how when they opened Tom Tom, it's like they
Speaker 1: can't invite Jennifer Lawrence and like Rihanna, who are like
Speaker 1: fans of Vanderpump Rules, because that'll break the wall of
Speaker 1: like they're dependent on Vanderpump Rules. Though, so in a
Speaker 1: way because it's not you know, it's not like a
Speaker 1: building block of a career. It's like you're kind of
Speaker 1: locked in. So they are still struggling, just in terms
Speaker 1: of the fact that if they lost vander Pump Rules,
Speaker 1: they have to keep the show interesting. Tests you were
Speaker 1: really excited to hear that your favorite reality show of
Speaker 1: all time is coming back. Oh, Temptation Island, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's coming back, but so it's being rebooted along with
Speaker 1: Wife Swap and Shipwrecked Island, which is a British um
Speaker 1: it's really Contemptation. Yeah, well it's not exactly. It's not
Speaker 1: the Crux. Isn't that it's a couple. It's like just
Speaker 1: a bunch of hot twenty year olds being like, I'm
Speaker 1: on a bitch, I'm on a bit. Survivor just like Survivor,
Speaker 1: but not not making them do anything. I love Survivor,
Speaker 1: as everybody knows, that's my favorite show. Um the last Survivor,
Speaker 1: I am the last. The first season of Survivors maybe
Speaker 1: one of the best things that a person who kept
Speaker 1: going even though it doesn't build, because it's like new
Speaker 1: people every y. This is how reality is changing. It's true.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think what's interesting too is talking about
Speaker 1: being dependent on a show. Is Jeff pro just like
Speaker 1: the best host of all time, and then he went
Speaker 1: on to host a talk show and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Jeff like put him back on the island.
Speaker 1: It was bad. It was canceled, immediately passed. Would you
Speaker 1: go on Temptation Island? No? I would never go on Temptation.
Speaker 1: So Temptation Island the first season was mark during our
Speaker 1: I think senior year of high school, and uh, it
Speaker 1: blew my mind that this is on television, like it
Speaker 1: really did. It was so so shamelessly horrible. I mean
Speaker 1: it was like, we're gonna and especially after a couple
Speaker 1: was revealed to have a child and they lied about it,
Speaker 1: and then you look at what was shown on this
Speaker 1: show and it was like a morality where they were
Speaker 1: really testing the boundaries of what you could do on TV.
Speaker 1: And like we always talked about it, but The Swan
Speaker 1: was really the apack with the Swan was the reality
Speaker 1: show where they gave a bunch of ugly women plastic
Speaker 1: surgery makeovers and then they had a beauty contest and
Speaker 1: it was like the world and then it ruined all
Speaker 1: their lives. You know what it You know what someone
Speaker 1: should do and oh god, there's someone. Someone should just
Speaker 1: do some kind of a cut on YouTube of the
Speaker 1: Swan but with Requiem for a Dream music because that's
Speaker 1: like exactly how you experience I remember this face on
Speaker 1: the woman that one and I was like, young, yeah,
Speaker 1: we watched it. I remember also being like wow, like
Speaker 1: that was what I thought America was going into the
Speaker 1: dark timeline. But then there was like in between purgatorial
Speaker 1: period before things got really weird. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's like because I was in high school during the odds,
Speaker 1: but like, I just have such an obsession with the
Speaker 1: aesthetics of like of like the two Girls one Pizza
Speaker 1: thing or two in like the Who's an Instagram person?
Speaker 1: But like Paris Hilton from back then and like the
Speaker 1: Rachel Zoe like that was the thing was like I
Speaker 1: thought I couldn't get worse than that, like oh, this
Speaker 1: empty consumerism, and then I was like, you know what's
Speaker 1: worse than that. It's like white supremacy just but also
Speaker 1: you ever thought that we would get to white supremacy
Speaker 1: Parishi And that was also like there's like video of
Speaker 1: her being racist, Like why are we letting this person
Speaker 1: be famous just because they're rich? Like it makes no sense.
Speaker 1: It was all like a dry run I guess maybe
Speaker 1: a wet run r I p America. And there was
Speaker 1: like we had the writer strike and so then reality
Speaker 1: shows blew up. You know, Yeah, that's right. That was
Speaker 1: why reality people don't have. People don't talk about that enough,
Speaker 1: and that's I don't have to pay the writers because
Speaker 1: reality shows like do have writers really just there in
Speaker 1: different guilds. Yeah, it doesn't count. It's so funked up.
Speaker 1: And that was also two dozen seven leading into the
Speaker 1: writer strike is the summer of Britney Spears using her
Speaker 1: mind publicly and the beginning of the fall of Lindsay Lowen.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of things happened in a seven and
Speaker 1: very important year. We're gonna look back on it. What
Speaker 1: was it now? Like eleven years ago? I can't believe.
Speaker 1: You know, we should we should also just yeah, we should,
Speaker 1: we should also just be proud of Brittany. I love
Speaker 1: she looks really happy with her personal trainer boyfriend, and
Speaker 1: she's painting a lot, and she loves her kids and
Speaker 1: wear's funny outfits and battle them. She's perfect. You're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about vaping for a second as a lead into
Speaker 1: a segment about jam bands, because I feel like those
Speaker 1: things are connected. Do you guys have feelings about vaping?
Speaker 1: So this is all right? Listen. So I've been like
Speaker 1: often on smoking for like a billion years, and I
Speaker 1: keep quitting, and I'm about to quit again after having
Speaker 1: fallen off the wagon. I'm like a most people who
Speaker 1: know me don't know I do because I do it
Speaker 1: like during like specific times. Um But I obviously hate
Speaker 1: that I do it, as I think most everybody does. UM.
Speaker 1: So in the past, when I've been like leading up
Speaker 1: to quitting. I have tried vaping, and I hate vaping.
Speaker 1: I hate it. Why do you hate about it? A
Speaker 1: plastic element, which is psycho because I'm like, it must
Speaker 1: be so unhealthy forget. But it is strange to be like,
Speaker 1: I'm a cigarette comes from the glass, yes, because there's
Speaker 1: something about heating up plastic having it be kind of
Speaker 1: like a rogue industry where they're like anything's better than
Speaker 1: the old school ways, so just don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: I got a really cheapy one because I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quit, like over the weekend, but to like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to buy any cigarettes. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: like vape and then I'm gonna quit. And it was
Speaker 1: like a week of me just like staring at this thing,
Speaker 1: being like what is this thing? I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is, and then sucking on it. I was like,
Speaker 1: it feels there's like an element of like putting a
Speaker 1: toy in your mouth, like a cheap plastic True Detective
Speaker 1: Season two, I Tried, Molly Tried my Best. It was
Speaker 1: a part where one of the characters since he doesn't
Speaker 1: like vaping because it's like sucking a robot stick if
Speaker 1: it were a robot stick. It would be metal, and
Speaker 1: in a way, I'd be better with that, but it's
Speaker 1: instead it's like Barbie's leg or something. Right, it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem good to heat up plastic, That's what I'm saying
Speaker 1: any reason, not like it's good to light a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff on fire and suck smoke into your lungs.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like I feel maybe
Speaker 1: vaping has advanced. I'm like, it's always advancing. That's what's
Speaker 1: scary about it. They're constantly updating the technology. I don't
Speaker 1: smoke cigarettes, but I smoke weed vapes, and I've totally
Speaker 1: like gotten a million different kinds because the technology has
Speaker 1: updated so many different times in the time since it
Speaker 1: first became a thing, And every time I'm like, this
Speaker 1: seems kind of unregulated, and like, uh, you know, if
Speaker 1: they're tomorrow like this kills you will all be like, well,
Speaker 1: we didn't. But it's also so different like if you
Speaker 1: if you smoke weed and then you vape using one
Speaker 1: of those pens, it's like a different sensation where you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm not stoned, I'm not stoned, and then you leave
Speaker 1: the house and you're like, oh, I was super stoned,
Speaker 1: but it's a totally different sensation. Yeah. Gia Tolentino Rede
Speaker 1: a really good article for The New Yorker about jewels
Speaker 1: and like the cult of vaping. Um that was mostly
Speaker 1: about like kids vaping and how the kids loved a
Speaker 1: vape and you can't stop them from vaping. And I
Speaker 1: was like, of course they loved a vape for the
Speaker 1: same reason kids love to smoke cigarettes. It's because adults
Speaker 1: don't want you to. And especially really with vaping, it's
Speaker 1: like they can do it anywhere. And we were talking
Speaker 1: about this so as like as the listeners may have noticed,
Speaker 1: I am watching the new season of Jersey Shore and um,
Speaker 1: so I haven't watched MTV and years and they have
Speaker 1: the anti vaping ads like all the time do they
Speaker 1: make They said that there's one that tastes like Captain Crunch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I was, like, what the fun
Speaker 1: is everything I've ever wanted? Yeah, Like the ads, the
Speaker 1: anti vaping ads that they put out are like, uh,
Speaker 1: supposed to get you not to want a vape by
Speaker 1: being like they're advertising these two kids and kids are
Speaker 1: gonna like get if. They have a campaign called Flavors
Speaker 1: hook kids that I saw Flavors hook me. I saw
Speaker 1: the billboard and I like almost took a picture of
Speaker 1: it because it was like it was like vapes with
Speaker 1: like vapes as an ice cream cone and then just
Speaker 1: like ice cream on top, and all of the ads
Speaker 1: are like that. They're like a vape with like a
Speaker 1: cloud of cotton candy coming out of it. I was like,
Speaker 1: these are the best vape ads I've ever we're seen. Honestly,
Speaker 1: these are going to do more to get kids start
Speaker 1: vaping than like any actual When I was in high school,
Speaker 1: I smoked clothes because I didn't like, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: it reminds me of. Yeah, the clothes like tasted like
Speaker 1: so good, And that's like what vaping is now, I think,
Speaker 1: because it is a rebellion, but it's like drinking. It's
Speaker 1: a rebellion. And like the fact that adults hate it
Speaker 1: and that adults wanted to like be gone, it's of
Speaker 1: course going to make kids want to do it more.
Speaker 1: Like my friend who's a teacher at a high school
Speaker 1: was saying that like all the kids do is vape
Speaker 1: during their breaks, you know, and that he just makes
Speaker 1: fun of them by being like Hey, you guys vaping
Speaker 1: some fat clouds like mock them and they're like yo.
Speaker 1: But like I I personally find the flavored vapes really gross.
Speaker 1: They remind me of like flavored hookah kind of you know,
Speaker 1: it's like that too. Really I'm into this. I'm like
Speaker 1: brook multi layers. Now. I grew up in like trashy
Speaker 1: white like white Trashville, USA, so like I have a
Speaker 1: lot of trash. Are you drinking Fresca? Um? No, I've
Speaker 1: never been a soda person because I've also always been
Speaker 1: like California. So it's just flavored vapes. It's like the yeah, clothes, Yes,
Speaker 1: I love clothes. Um. For a while I was drinking
Speaker 1: Fresca and going fresca vodkas and hookah. I think that's
Speaker 1: like just the worst, Like before I die, the flash
Speaker 1: that's very vodka gives me like full on like two
Speaker 1: thousand five visceral bad flashbatts. Yeah. The thing of like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just like, am I being a
Speaker 1: libertarian If I'm like, don't you can't ban flavors? Like
Speaker 1: what's the point like the genies out of the bottle?
Speaker 1: And also like all these people make like homebrew vape juice.
Speaker 1: So even if they do band flavors, I feel like
Speaker 1: there will still be people being like, yo, I've got
Speaker 1: the cotton candies. Speaking of two thousand seven, remember when
Speaker 1: there were all those gossip stories about everybody doing like
Speaker 1: blow cut with strawberry quick No, oh, well because Diane
Speaker 1: Feinstein didn't she recently? Uh like last day, Diane Einstein
Speaker 1: getting super lit on strawberry day coke is the best thing.
Speaker 1: I would vote for her if she did that. Well.
Speaker 1: I feel like last year she was like everyone, we
Speaker 1: have a lot of problems, but right now we need
Speaker 1: to really worry about the strawberry quick cut with drugs.
Speaker 1: And she got made fun of also by me. I
Speaker 1: took it. I was like I care about this cause
Speaker 1: where I was like, just it's not a real thing,
Speaker 1: like Snopes looked into it. It's not really I mean
Speaker 1: it was a real thing with like Lindsey Lohan and
Speaker 1: people who we're gonna put whatever you want in your drugs,
Speaker 1: but you're not like I'm going to market this meth
Speaker 1: to children by making it taste straw All those I
Speaker 1: know that this joke has been made, where all those
Speaker 1: drug dealers that are giving me free drugs to get hooked.
Speaker 1: I never met that person. Well you know, don't look
Speaker 1: for us standing outside the playground handing out the vapes
Speaker 1: or anything. But you know, I got it. I got
Speaker 1: a side with the kids that vape. It seems like
Speaker 1: there are less downside than like regular smoking. I guess
Speaker 1: the idea is to like get kids like hooked and
Speaker 1: then they buy the things forever, which is still you know,
Speaker 1: but um there was the main thing I saw that
Speaker 1: was from Geo's article was that you can get something
Speaker 1: called popcorn lung which well what I envisioned was much
Speaker 1: worse than what I'm envisioning envisioning like lungs made of popcorn.
Speaker 1: But it's actually I think it's like the thing you
Speaker 1: would get from being in a movie theater lobby that
Speaker 1: had the like coconut oil haze in the area at
Speaker 1: the time, where it's just like you're like, lungs get
Speaker 1: clogged with oil. But that happened, happens with like some
Speaker 1: bad vapes, I think, but are like movie theater employees
Speaker 1: like at risk. Yeah, that was like another like eighties
Speaker 1: news story. I feel like where it was like people
Speaker 1: are getting popcorn long from like working in the pop
Speaker 1: hashtag the rig and era, why the problem? That's why
Speaker 1: they stopped having that butter wasn't that called world that
Speaker 1: was in the cafeteria college. Stuff that burnt doesn't burn.
Speaker 1: It's a super high temperature. But then it's like in
Speaker 1: the air or something. Guys speaking of something in the air,
Speaker 1: spaking of hazes in the air. Um, we were going
Speaker 1: to take a nightcall. Hey, Molly tests and Emily. This
Speaker 1: is Mike Ferguson. I was just calling to Reference for
Speaker 1: the Nightcall pod. The conversation we were having on Twitter
Speaker 1: about Fish and the Grateful Dead, and I want to
Speaker 1: hear opinions. I'm curious to what people think about it,
Speaker 1: if there's been an impact, Emily, if you like it
Speaker 1: or hate it, or are unexposed to it. The real
Speaker 1: question I have is, if you were to introduce somebody
Speaker 1: to either band, what song would you choose that would
Speaker 1: lead them to listen to a lot more of that
Speaker 1: band and part two of that What song would you
Speaker 1: choose if you were going to play something for someone
Speaker 1: who had never heard Grateful Better Fish and get them
Speaker 1: to never listen to another Grateful Better Fish song. I
Speaker 1: hope you're well and looking forward to it. We've been
Speaker 1: wanting to talk about jam bands for a while. Tests
Speaker 1: and I have a lot of feelings. Well, my my
Speaker 1: first feeling is fuck Fish so much. Uh and uh
Speaker 1: the Grateful Dad are great, Tess. What about you? Do
Speaker 1: you like when someone exhales like that on a podcast?
Speaker 1: Exhales like you were Drake about to tell me your cat,
Speaker 1: exhales like that approaching him because he isn't about to
Speaker 1: attack Disdane. Just so. I got into Fish in high school.
Speaker 1: That's when everyone gets into fish. Um. It's hard to
Speaker 1: know that you don't have a leg to stand on,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, I can't defend them,
Speaker 1: but I like them. I also love the Grateful Dead. Similarly,
Speaker 1: there are so many I think I talked on Twitter
Speaker 1: about this. So Molly's dad is a really big deadhead.
Speaker 1: Both your parents are deadheads. Yeah, yeah, more you're dead
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. Yeah, your dad wouldn't play. My
Speaker 1: uncle is on like a dead radio show. We are
Speaker 1: deadheads in my family. It's not that I reject Fish
Speaker 1: because it's like they're they're newer. It's just because they're bad.
Speaker 1: They are bad, but they're also good. It's one of
Speaker 1: those things in life. Their lyrics make me feel like
Speaker 1: worms are like crawling all over me. They have the
Speaker 1: most embarrassing lyrics of all They're so embarrassing, but you
Speaker 1: can't explain if you're into fish, there's you know, the
Speaker 1: lyrics are embarrassing and you've been through that embarrassment internally
Speaker 1: and processed it and from being like hard to explain
Speaker 1: why like one is good and the other's bad, because
Speaker 1: it's like I understand why they're superficially similar, but it's
Speaker 1: like it's like South Park and Family Guy. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like interesting. It's like no, it's just it's different.
Speaker 1: It's like one, they're good musicians, and like they're bad.
Speaker 1: Singing is good, and Fish, I just even they're good,
Speaker 1: singing is so bad. I found this I was looking
Speaker 1: at like really hot takes on fish, So you have
Speaker 1: to if you haven't already, watched a short video called
Speaker 1: what Fish sounds Like to people who don't like Fish.
Speaker 1: Um Gawka reposted it in and it's just this mash
Speaker 1: up of concert footage with like isolated instruments, snippets and
Speaker 1: vocals that just sounds like if you had like a
Speaker 1: toddler in a room with like a bunch of kitchen stuff.
Speaker 1: To be honest, that is what it sounds like. You
Speaker 1: have to earn the noodling. You can't just like start
Speaker 1: from outer space. You have to like start from earth,
Speaker 1: says who says the jam band decider that is me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think to answer mixt question about what
Speaker 1: song would you play to make someone be into this
Speaker 1: band and against this band? Like I'm curious what you
Speaker 1: would say grateful. I know you can't name a fish song.
Speaker 1: I can name several fish songs, like what name them? Welcome?
Speaker 1: This is our farmhouse, that's the I think the name
Speaker 1: is armhouse. Right is at an album called farmhouse album
Speaker 1: called owned a fish album? Because I wanted to like
Speaker 1: fit in, uh and I threw it in the trash
Speaker 1: trash did you have lawn boy? I know, I hate
Speaker 1: that you're just like you're looking so disgusted right now.
Speaker 1: It's because again it's like I can't fully articulate why
Speaker 1: like why it's bad and the Grateful Dead are good
Speaker 1: because again it's like it's the same kind of like
Speaker 1: fan culture, I guess. But you know one thing we
Speaker 1: can all agree on is that the Dave Matthews band garbage. No,
Speaker 1: they're good. If they're good, they're they're kind of okay,
Speaker 1: they're Oh my god, you have to go through. It's
Speaker 1: not my wheelhouse. I will say my two favorite flavors
Speaker 1: of Ben and Jerry's are cherry Garcia and fish food.
Speaker 1: There you go. Um, and I really loved the finale
Speaker 1: of Freaking Geeks where she goes on tour with the
Speaker 1: Dead So the being a Deadhead has always been an
Speaker 1: aspiration of mine, But whenever I've started a song, I
Speaker 1: just immediately switched it. It It came not and that's just
Speaker 1: my truth. Well, you're like a more of a club kid.
Speaker 1: I'm like a basic bitch from you know, You're like
Speaker 1: you're you're specifically a club kid, which I feel like
Speaker 1: is like adjacent to being a Deadhead. It's just a
Speaker 1: totally different style of music. But it's still about like
Speaker 1: late night psychedelic Thanks Molly Vibes. It's true. And we
Speaker 1: didn't meet in the club. We met in a club
Speaker 1: back and I are friends from the club from the club. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I like about it in theory is the
Speaker 1: idea of like everyone's your friend at the dead show,
Speaker 1: and that is what I liked about that Freaxing Geeks
Speaker 1: episode two. I also love that whole thing where the
Speaker 1: hippie girl that becomes Anna and Osi and she's like,
Speaker 1: I wish I'd never heard American Beauty, so I could
Speaker 1: they listen to it for the first time? Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to be that person. But then it's
Speaker 1: just I'm not you know what I mean? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I like lots of other music, and I don't
Speaker 1: think I could subsist on a diet of like pure
Speaker 1: jam bandary. No. Never, you have to you add it
Speaker 1: in when you're in the mood. It's like a good
Speaker 1: driving like you're having a thoughtful drive. Like my thing
Speaker 1: about Dave Matthews band is I just feel like they
Speaker 1: were like our journey. It's like it was like mandatory
Speaker 1: to like go see them for you know, which is
Speaker 1: why I think also and Ladybird people were so like
Speaker 1: ready for that, because it was like if you grew
Speaker 1: up in California in a certain time period or like
Speaker 1: any kind of like I don't know, any suburban place.
Speaker 1: I guess it was just like that's what everybody liked.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not that it's not embarrassing to acknowledge
Speaker 1: how many Dave Matthews concerts you went to, which I think,
Speaker 1: like we're talking doubled we went to. We went to
Speaker 1: see some Tim Reynolds solo. Oh my god, I'm just
Speaker 1: outing us as some true damn behead. But then you
Speaker 1: go through the period of extreme self loathing where you're like, no,
Speaker 1: I never did, and then someone finds your case logic
Speaker 1: and the like you did, you didn't if we're going
Speaker 1: to redeem it now, like it's actually like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty a better band than Fish obviously. Look,
Speaker 1: but with Fish, I mean, there are just times when
Speaker 1: you feel when you have silly moods. That's why you
Speaker 1: can't hate Fish is because they're silly people. You know.
Speaker 1: Jake Kang was making an argument on Twitter the other
Speaker 1: day that Fish age better than Pavement, which I think
Speaker 1: also is what spawned this. Well Pavement, I mean, Stephen Malcolmus.
Speaker 1: We went to a Steven Malcolmus concert and he just
Speaker 1: seemed like so upset to be there, like he was
Speaker 1: such a grump, And I was like, you know, that's
Speaker 1: the thing about a Fish show is it's all about
Speaker 1: just like you know, being in a certain mood, like
Speaker 1: a jelly bones mood, jelly bones dinner in a movie.
Speaker 1: I think, I just want to watch you. I don't
Speaker 1: know anything, but I want to watch you do covers
Speaker 1: of this. I think, Oh, I'd love to cover fish
Speaker 1: my musical talents. I'd like to like build an ideal
Speaker 1: sort of like Lot scenario because I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of like imaginary commerce of the Grateful Dead Lot universe.
Speaker 1: You know, people make like bootleg shirts. I like all
Speaker 1: the bootlegging. Do you have a favorite a favorite song
Speaker 1: of the Grateful deads? No, Man, you know there's too much.
Speaker 1: I have to say that if I were going to
Speaker 1: make someone not like the Grateful Dead, I would play
Speaker 1: them the version of St. Stephen that was on your
Speaker 1: dad's bootleg where it sounded like they were just like,
Speaker 1: it's like the vocal equivalent of if you're stumbling around
Speaker 1: the dark. Yeah, I should admit that. I like also
Speaker 1: don't have a leg to stand on with some of
Speaker 1: my Fateful Dead fandom, but like because some of my
Speaker 1: arguments were like, yeah, you know, when they funk up,
Speaker 1: the harmony is really bad, really sounds so human. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know they're not Crosby Steels and Nash they're not
Speaker 1: going to nail it every time, even when they're flying
Speaker 1: high on a unicorn. I'm just saying so funny. I
Speaker 1: love that, you know. It's like cool because we did
Speaker 1: a pot about goths and I was like, I always
Speaker 1: wanted to be a goth, but I'm just like such
Speaker 1: a hippie and like my friend Caitlin and my friend
Speaker 1: from elementary school, she was like, you were kind of
Speaker 1: like Ta Panga from Boy Meets World on like the
Speaker 1: early Boy Meets World, and she was like the girl
Speaker 1: who wore like a big earth T shirt every day
Speaker 1: and before she turned into like business suit, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: she turned into into hot to Panga. Yeah, but you're
Speaker 1: also just Lisa Simpson. Well, we're all Lisa Simpson, and
Speaker 1: it is just like different versions of Lisa Simpson. We're
Speaker 1: all Lisa Simpson. In that episode where they go to
Speaker 1: the beach for the summer and she like wears a
Speaker 1: tight eyed shirt and follows the grateful dad. Every like
Speaker 1: smart girl on every TV show is said to like
Speaker 1: the dead. It's like every smart girl on every TV
Speaker 1: show is like trying to be less neurotic and more
Speaker 1: more loosey goosey, and that's what's good about the jam
Speaker 1: band culture. I mean, the good thing about jam band
Speaker 1: culture too, is that I feel like there's something where
Speaker 1: it has been inaccessible to women at times, you know,
Speaker 1: like almost everything, um, but when you get into fish
Speaker 1: and like you're not doing it as a like, you
Speaker 1: realize how embarrassing it is, but just feels good. I
Speaker 1: think there's something that's very You've made me fish mom. Fish.
Speaker 1: I'm going to call you fish mom from now on.
Speaker 1: As you know what, You're right, there comes a time
Speaker 1: when you should not care what other people think about
Speaker 1: what music you like, and that time is definitely now,
Speaker 1: and uh pro fish mom. Yeah. I feel like that's
Speaker 1: an important moment for everyone to just like own what
Speaker 1: they actually listened to and stop like trying to be cool.
Speaker 1: Like I was listening on some Spotify playlist. It like
Speaker 1: my Girls by Animal Collective came up, and I think
Speaker 1: someone made the joke on Twitter a while ago that
Speaker 1: like my Girls ruined music, and I was listening to
Speaker 1: it and I was like, oh, like, I don't have
Speaker 1: to ever pretend to a dude ever again that I
Speaker 1: like Animal Collective? Do you not like Animal? They're fine?
Speaker 1: But when I was like in high school. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm like obsessed, but I was literally only listening to
Speaker 1: Snoop talk like but to every dude it was like
Speaker 1: I love the books, but like, no, I didn't you know.
Speaker 1: I'm will collective, a very jam band, possibly a jam band.
Speaker 1: Let us know whether you're thinking I'm all collective or
Speaker 1: a jam band and what it means to be a
Speaker 1: jam band today and a fan of jam bands. Um,
Speaker 1: I feel like post Malone is a little bit like
Speaker 1: inching into jam band just with his general esthetic. You know,
Speaker 1: he looks like a guy that sells T shirts and
Speaker 1: a lot. Wouldn't he just get tattooed on his face? Um,
Speaker 1: always tired? I think that's a very jam band tattoo.
Speaker 1: It was also, this is maybe what made me think
Speaker 1: of jam bands, was that there was a new story
Speaker 1: that a fan of his did a meet and greed
Speaker 1: and passed out from smelling. But yes, I'm a fan
Speaker 1: of his, A fan of his inhaled his musk. Couldn't
Speaker 1: take it, couldn't take it. Um, So that's probably the
Speaker 1: downside to the jam band lifestyles. The smells, the general smells. Um,
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Speaker 1: of course. Everybody vapor fat cotton, candy Cloud to some
Speaker 1: sweet sweet jam bands and go watch the ape Ship
Speaker 1: video because it's cool. Yeah. Nice, bye guys, Thanks for
Speaker 1: having me, guys, Thank you so much, Broke. This was awesome.
Speaker 1: It's really fun. Thanks for coming. See you not next week.
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