Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2: Breaking news Tonight, Diddy goes to jail after exuberant celebrations
Speaker 2: outside the courthouse with Dinny fans dousing each other with
Speaker 2: baby oil. Of course, now a somber tone as Sean
Speaker 2: Combs heads to jail. I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories.
Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us. After
Speaker 2: a split verdict earlier in the day, where Shawn Combs
Speaker 2: is acquitted of rico, two other counts come into play.
Speaker 2: Shawn Comb's convicted on two felony counts. There was a
Speaker 2: massive argument via paper to keep Shawn Combs behind bars,
Speaker 2: the defense fighting tooth and nail to let him out
Speaker 2: on appeal bond, which means you get out while your
Speaker 2: conviction is being appear joining me right now Tisa Tales.
Speaker 2: You can find her on YouTube at Tisa Tales. Tisa
Speaker 2: start at the beginning, Start with the verdict, the split.
Speaker 3: What happened when the jury walked in, everybody was on
Speaker 3: pins and needles.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: Everybody in the courtroom expected him to be guilty on
Speaker 3: at least the sex trafficking. There was a somber tone.
Speaker 3: They walked in and when they.
Speaker 4: Said please read, and they said, what do you find ye?
Speaker 1: On count one?
Speaker 3: Not guilty? It was a bomb that went off in
Speaker 3: the courtroom. The public audibly gassed. Nobody was expecting that.
Speaker 3: There were tears of joy from Ditty's side.
Speaker 4: Count two, what say ye not guilty? Again?
Speaker 3: Another bombshell went off. People were in utter disbelief. Any
Speaker 3: even Ditty's most ardent supporters, did not expect him to
Speaker 3: get off on the count of sex trafficking with Cassie.
Speaker 3: Count three when they said guilty for transportation of a prostitute,
Speaker 3: When they said guilty for the manna, that is when
Speaker 3: did He's team actually cheered, Yeah, that's all right, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: come on, almost like we were watching a pro football game.
Speaker 3: When the other ones came in after that, there were
Speaker 3: jaws on the ground. It was unbelievable. People were looking
Speaker 3: at the jury, searching and to how they can get
Speaker 3: a verdict in this day and age. They heard Cassie's mother,
Speaker 3: the twenty thousand, they heard Capricorn Clark, they heard about
Speaker 3: the savage beatings, and it was unbelievable that the only
Speaker 3: thing they said was prostitution.
Speaker 4: And that is because Daniel.
Speaker 3: Phillips in his testimony actually said, at least I'm guessing
Speaker 3: that it was because that he got paid to have
Speaker 3: sex for money.
Speaker 4: It was a travesty. It was an all out circus.
Speaker 3: Everybody, including myself, are running to safety.
Speaker 2: I got a question for your tast of tales, and
Speaker 2: everyone's going to want to know this. You're in a
Speaker 2: car right now. You had to leave the courthouse.
Speaker 3: Why I had to leave the courthouse because Diddy's supporters
Speaker 3: were out of control.
Speaker 4: The first time I ran and dipped my live.
Speaker 3: Of course, I had two armed security guys. Everyone told
Speaker 3: me the people in the courthouse is like, make sure
Speaker 3: you have security.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of weird stuff going on. It wasn't
Speaker 4: just me, but I'll tell you what I experienced.
Speaker 3: Diddy's support is surrounding me, threatening me, saying that they
Speaker 3: were going to hurt me. It was a serious situation.
Speaker 3: It got so bad and there was so much chaos
Speaker 3: of chaos and violence that they actually had to lock
Speaker 3: the courtroom down and force the Diddy supporters across the street.
Speaker 3: It was something myself, the news media, mainstream media, new
Speaker 3: media have never seen in their lives.
Speaker 4: The level and again the jurors.
Speaker 3: I hope to God they know how to sleep night, because.
Speaker 4: Again I'm sure they did their duty.
Speaker 3: But when all that cast was happening, as I was
Speaker 3: being threatened and ushered out by armed security people, I thought,
Speaker 3: this is what the jury did.
Speaker 4: They sent a signal that it is okay to use.
Speaker 3: Violence, It's okay to drug people up, it's okay to
Speaker 3: live a life of debauchery. It's okay to do whatever
Speaker 3: you want. Because guess what if you work hard enough,
Speaker 3: and you have enough money and enough de losional fans,
Speaker 3: and you have engrained yourself in culture enough that you
Speaker 3: can do whatever you want, and twelve of your peers
Speaker 3: will look the other way.
Speaker 4: Again, this jury was shocking.
Speaker 1: Taste of tales.
Speaker 2: When you say that Shawonkhim's supporters threatened you, what were
Speaker 2: they saying?
Speaker 4: They were saying you B you F and B were
Speaker 4: going to kill you? You F and B. You worked.
Speaker 3: Apparently I worked for the fans. You're a plant. You
Speaker 3: make this all up because of you. Again, they're not
Speaker 3: too smart.
Speaker 4: Because of you.
Speaker 3: That's how this case got started. We're gonna treat you
Speaker 3: worse than we treated Cassie.
Speaker 4: Cassie, what we do.
Speaker 3: To you, it's gonna be nothing that they had on Cassie.
Speaker 3: They were screaming, they were yelling. Some people were saying,
Speaker 3: apologize the Diddy, apologize the Ditty. Of course, thank goodness.
Speaker 3: We had Lenny and we had Jimmy, two of the
Speaker 3: best arm guards out there. So the one thing is
Speaker 3: they and also they started foaming like wild dogs because
Speaker 3: they realized that I was not an unprotected woman, and
Speaker 3: they realized they could not just do what they felt like,
Speaker 3: And they started foaming like wild dogs, screaming, their voices
Speaker 3: cracking in anger that they ricially wanted to rip me apart.
Speaker 4: This is why their hero had been exonerated.
Speaker 3: Even in the best of times, these people that support him,
Speaker 3: there's something wrong with it.
Speaker 4: And I gotta tell you, Nancy, it wasn't just me.
Speaker 1: It was not just me.
Speaker 3: It was anybody that didn't have a pro Diddy stamp
Speaker 3: from the beginning.
Speaker 2: That's who stuffed joining me an all star panel. But
Speaker 2: I want to thank Tisa Tales for what she's doing tonight.
Speaker 2: You know, Rob Shooter is joining me.
Speaker 5: Rob.
Speaker 1: I really don't know where to start. This is a blow.
Speaker 2: This is a huge blow to crime victims all over
Speaker 2: the country. Huge blow. The big news is right now,
Speaker 2: Sean Combs is going to jail. Okay, He's going to jail.
Speaker 2: I was actually worried that somehow.
Speaker 1: The judge would contriveting the law.
Speaker 2: And the law is under the Bell Reform Act that
Speaker 2: for these two charges on which he was convicted he
Speaker 2: has to go to jail.
Speaker 1: There is no appeal bond period.
Speaker 2: But I was so concerned that the judge would somehow
Speaker 2: find a way to let him walk.
Speaker 1: And all this time, Shooter.
Speaker 2: We've been hearing. I've got all these letters here. Here's
Speaker 2: one from Deontay Nash in fear. In fear talking about
Speaker 2: Combs is long documented history a violent retaliatory behavior.
Speaker 1: They're afraid. Rob Shooter.
Speaker 2: Guys, Shooter knows comes better than any of us. His
Speaker 2: longtime publicists no more. But now you can find him
Speaker 2: at his substack Robshooter dot substack dot com and not
Speaker 2: Ey but Nice podcast.
Speaker 1: Shooter.
Speaker 2: I got to tell you, it's like a kick in
Speaker 2: the stomach when that split verdict came down.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think everybody was done before. Before I continue, then, Nancy,
Speaker 6: I just want to send my best to Tisha. What
Speaker 6: happened to her outside that courthouse is horrific. It's wrong,
Speaker 6: and I'm afraid these people now have been emboldened because
Speaker 6: their hero, their idol, Diddy looks like he is going
Speaker 6: to walk free.
Speaker 7: So this morning, when we heard the judgment, I think we.
Speaker 6: Were all shell shocked, we were all heartbroken, we all
Speaker 6: felt like we'd been kicked in the stomach. However, as
Speaker 6: the day has gone on, we do have to remember,
Speaker 6: Nancy that he has been found guilty of two.
Speaker 7: Very serious charges.
Speaker 6: If any other celebrity had been charged with those two charges,
Speaker 6: those alone and being found guilty, we would be done
Speaker 6: with them. So the celebration from Team Diddy, the disappointment
Speaker 6: from people who've been watching this as closely as we have,
Speaker 6: I think we can take a step back both sides
Speaker 6: and realize that this is not a good day for Diddy.
Speaker 6: He is now a federal criminal, is in jail tonight,
Speaker 6: He's going to remain there until he is sentenced, and
Speaker 6: so at least take some solace in that.
Speaker 2: You know, Rob Shooter, I've been getting flooded by crime victims,
Speaker 2: rape victims from all walks of life.
Speaker 1: There are upset.
Speaker 2: They don't really sound mad, yet they're devastated, They're sad,
Speaker 2: they can't believe this has happened. I've been already subjected
Speaker 2: to a lot of attacks, verbal attacks, and nothing like
Speaker 2: what Tisa tells has been subjected to already. But I
Speaker 2: give the credit to the prosecutors for going in there.
Speaker 2: And I truly believe this was a David and Goliath,
Speaker 2: and they went in against one of the highest profile
Speaker 2: personalities in our country, Sean Comes, who many people think
Speaker 2: that they know and they love him, and for some reason,
Speaker 2: that blinded them, that drowned out everything that three sex
Speaker 2: attack victims said.
Speaker 1: And one had the video? What had the video? I
Speaker 1: just I don't get it.
Speaker 2: Rob Sheeter, give me some insight and to how Sean
Speaker 2: Comes got a split vertic. But yes, you're right, he
Speaker 2: is going to jail on two felonies, two felonies. That's
Speaker 2: a victory that Sean Comes is going to jail.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a victory.
Speaker 6: We have to hang on for that, Nancy, because in
Speaker 6: this moment, in this hour, it's not a lot of hope.
Speaker 7: Everything seems so bad.
Speaker 6: We have let down not just the people in this case,
Speaker 6: but victims around the world. Did he now will be
Speaker 6: empowered this is not the end of the story, Nancy.
Speaker 6: When he gets out of jail, if he gets out
Speaker 6: of jail, his behavior will not change because he thinks
Speaker 6: he has.
Speaker 7: Gotten away with it. Again. If you enable.
Speaker 6: Someone, Nancy, they do not change. So mark my words, Nancy,
Speaker 6: this is not the end of the did he story.
Speaker 6: It's the end of a very very sad chapter. And
Speaker 6: I think we've let a lot of people down. And
Speaker 6: as far as being concerned about safety, I just broke
Speaker 6: reporting that Cassie has now increased her security. Cassie in
Speaker 6: New York, her home now has security increased. And I
Speaker 6: think a lot of other people, courageous people who came
Speaker 6: forward assistance, people that worked with Diddy came forward and testified.
Speaker 6: They're very vulnerable and they are very, very scared right now.
Speaker 2: Lynn Shaw joining me, Founder and director Lynn's Warriors, dedicated
Speaker 2: to ending sex trafficking and sex abuse on girls and women.
Speaker 2: When I learned about the split verdict, I was speechless.
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: But it's happened.
Speaker 2: So what do you want the prosecutors to do? Go
Speaker 2: home and hide under the bed. Should they have just
Speaker 2: never even brought the case? They did it because they
Speaker 2: believed it, and I still do believe it.
Speaker 1: Lynn.
Speaker 2: I believe Cassie Ventira was coerced and beaten into having
Speaker 2: sex with male sex workers.
Speaker 1: That's sex trafficking. I believe her.
Speaker 8: I believe Cassie. I believe Jane. I believe sex trafficking.
Speaker 8: This is a sober reflection today on everything I've been
Speaker 8: talking about for about eight weeks now with this trial
Speaker 8: that the public and I'm going to say the jurors, okay,
Speaker 8: do not understand predation power, what sex trafficking is. And
Speaker 8: a reminder again, this case was not just about one man.
Speaker 8: This case was about all of the victims across the
Speaker 8: country the world whose voices have been silenced because they
Speaker 8: don't come forward because the justice system usually picks power, wealth,
Speaker 8: status over believing their truths. But I want to point out,
Speaker 8: as the day enrolled, there is hope. I've spent all
Speaker 8: day coaching people, talking people, fielding text messages, and I
Speaker 8: want to say, you know what, these victims that reach
Speaker 8: out to me, Nancy, they're not even angry, you know
Speaker 8: what they keep saying. Please, Lynn, please remind everybody we're victims.
Speaker 8: Please remind everybody we have a voice. Please, remind everybody
Speaker 8: we are here, and that goes back to I have
Speaker 8: to do. We have to do in society a better
Speaker 8: job of educating about sex, trafficking, about trauma, bonding, trauma,
Speaker 8: what predation really looks like. This is the most frightening
Speaker 8: thing to empower this. Sean Combs and I just want
Speaker 8: to make the commitment that we will work very hard
Speaker 8: to continue reforming, raising awareness and working with the justice system.
Speaker 2: Straight back out to Tisa Tales, who has made it
Speaker 2: to a safe location, Tisa Tales. I want to talk
Speaker 2: about what happened when the split verdict was announced in
Speaker 2: the courtroom, and then I want to move to the
Speaker 2: appeal bond hearing. Let's start with the split verdict. Take
Speaker 2: it from the very beginning.
Speaker 3: The split verdict, from the very beginning. When you heard
Speaker 3: count one not guilty, a bomb went off in the courtroom.
Speaker 4: Not guilty. No one could believe it.
Speaker 3: Song Diddy's calm side even looked around as if they
Speaker 3: hadn't heard correctly. No one thought that the jury would actually.
Speaker 1: Go this far.
Speaker 3: Everybody thought that the delay meant that he was actually guilty.
Speaker 3: When the second count was read again, jawls dropped open.
Speaker 4: Did he leaned back in relief, raised his hands. The
Speaker 4: defense team was.
Speaker 3: Like, yes, I get it. They literally pulled a magic act. Okay,
Speaker 3: they literally pulled a magic act. His team, his side,
Speaker 3: started celebrating, started saying yeah, when we heard the third count,
Speaker 3: guilty for the prostitution, okay, everyone on his side it
Speaker 3: was like.
Speaker 4: That's okay, that's okay.
Speaker 3: They were clapping, almost like they were watching a football game.
Speaker 3: When they first came out with the verdict. The prosecution
Speaker 3: was doing what they were doing. They were looking straight
Speaker 3: and it's a job, I would assume, to look like
Speaker 3: they always have it under control. By the time they
Speaker 3: got to the third count, Marine called me looked over
Speaker 3: at the jury in disbelief.
Speaker 4: Literally again, she's always.
Speaker 3: Very composed, but even for her to finally look over
Speaker 3: at the jury on some are you kidding me? And
Speaker 3: she just kept looking at the jury as they read
Speaker 3: the counts. Again, I know the jury did their best,
Speaker 3: but I cannot feel that justice was served. How can
Speaker 3: you forget the vicious beatings, How can you forget the
Speaker 3: twenty k the mom had to wire and order for
Speaker 3: two freak off tapes not to be released.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's what she thought. When she wired it.
Speaker 3: How can you forget what happened to Bonna being hung
Speaker 3: over balcony.
Speaker 4: She might have got the date wrong by a few
Speaker 4: days days, but the point is it happened.
Speaker 3: How you can forget Deontay Nash and the best friend
Speaker 3: Carrie who got a hangar to the head and saw
Speaker 3: Cassie get impiled driven into the corner of a bed
Speaker 3: on purpose. How can you forget all that and come
Speaker 3: back and say, you know what, we don't see anything
Speaker 3: criminal here again. We can argue about the procesxcuse prostitution
Speaker 3: got ditty.
Speaker 4: On the head. We can argue about the prosecution what
Speaker 4: they could.
Speaker 3: Have did better, But the fact that the jury chose
Speaker 3: to overlook all that. It brought me back to what
Speaker 3: Rob Shooter said weeks ago when I first started joining you, Nacy,
Speaker 3: that people get starstrucked and they want some of that magic.
Speaker 4: And it makes me wonder were they starstruck?
Speaker 3: Were they feeling sorry and trying to protect a legacy
Speaker 3: for someone that hit their depravity and their evil ways
Speaker 3: behind it.
Speaker 4: It makes you.
Speaker 1: Wonder Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2: Bombshell Tonight, Sean Comes aka Diddy goes to jail, that's right.
Speaker 2: After a last ditch bid at an appeal bond, he
Speaker 2: was denied and is going to jail right now as
Speaker 2: we speak, Joining Man All Star Panel.
Speaker 1: Back to Tasa Tails joining us. She had to be.
Speaker 2: Escorted by armed guards out of the courthouse and leave
Speaker 2: the scene after she was mobbed by Diddy fans. Explain
Speaker 2: to me what was happening outside the courthouse. I understand
Speaker 2: that was the split verdict was announced. The Diddy followers,
Speaker 2: the Diddy worshippers went cray outside the courthouse, actually dousing
Speaker 2: each other with baby oil and chanting.
Speaker 4: They formed the circle. It looked like a mush pit
Speaker 4: of depravity.
Speaker 3: They were spraying baby oil on each other, jumping around,
Speaker 3: feeling fantastic. One woman and a pair of Calvin kleinb
Speaker 3: briefs and agra started jumping up and down, wiggling why
Speaker 3: they sat there spraying baby on her, and the crowd.
Speaker 4: Was channing yay, yay, yay go and.
Speaker 3: Hyping them up. It was a monstrous bowl of party depravity.
Speaker 3: When I say, I was sickened. When I say, I
Speaker 3: shook my head. And when I said, these are the peers,
Speaker 3: these are the jury of the peers, And it makes
Speaker 3: me wonder.
Speaker 4: As a jury goes home and they look at the television.
Speaker 3: Sets and they see what their decision costs and what
Speaker 3: was on the line, it makes me wonder how can they.
Speaker 4: Sleep at night?
Speaker 3: It was absolute pandemonia in between the jumping up and
Speaker 3: down with the baby oil woman willingly baby oil being
Speaker 3: squirted on them, and everybody laughing and having a time
Speaker 3: like Christmas had just come with Santa and the twelve
Speaker 3: perverted Elves. What happened after that was even more amazing
Speaker 3: because while that was going on, there were little fires
Speaker 3: everywhere of these bands of I don't know if they're
Speaker 3: in cels, if they're idiots, what was going on looking
Speaker 3: for anybody they had ever saw make anti Ditty contests,
Speaker 3: And by anti Diddy, according to Thelm, it is pro justice.
Speaker 3: They were going out their ways to make sure.
Speaker 4: That everybody paid.
Speaker 3: And again I said, this is what that jury costs us,
Speaker 3: and let us know.
Speaker 4: It's sent a message.
Speaker 3: It's okay to be depraved, it's okay to beat women,
Speaker 3: it's okay to do drugs, it's okay to do whatever
Speaker 3: you want. And that jury, that jury, when they gave
Speaker 3: the verdict, signals that again I'm still coming to terms
Speaker 3: with how.
Speaker 4: The jury got to this.
Speaker 3: Thank god, this man was denied bail, Thank god.
Speaker 2: Straight out to Sidney Sunray joining US Crime Stories investigative
Speaker 2: reporter on the case from the very beginning. Break down
Speaker 2: the counts for me, said.
Speaker 9: Nancy, how one is that racketeering, rico conspiracy. Combs was
Speaker 9: found not guilty on count one, Count two, three, four,
Speaker 9: and five are those sex trafficking and transportation to engage
Speaker 9: in prostitution charges. So there was one count each for
Speaker 9: Casey and Jane on both of those charges. So the
Speaker 9: jury found that Combs was liable for both transportation to
Speaker 9: engage in prostitution charges and not guilty see on sex
Speaker 9: trafficking for either Jane or Cassie.
Speaker 2: Straight out to Philip Debate, joining US veteran trial lawyer,
Speaker 2: joining US out of the LA jurisdiction. So Debate, this
Speaker 2: is the breakdown. Count one racketeering not guilty. Count two
Speaker 2: sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion as it relates
Speaker 2: to Cassie Ventira. You know the woman that was beaten
Speaker 2: in that video and dragged back to a freak off
Speaker 2: her the one that had to get plastic surgery on
Speaker 2: her face after Didd he beat her up. That one,
Speaker 2: that's a not guilty. Count three transportation to engage in
Speaker 2: prostitution as it relates to Cassie. Guilty that carries a
Speaker 2: maximum of ten years, and that comes, I believe from
Speaker 2: the sex worker who came in Philip and described Sean
Speaker 2: Combs wearing a burka from the chin up and make
Speaker 2: it from the chin down and had him have sex
Speaker 2: with Cassie on video and directed them that was across
Speaker 2: state lines. So gilty on that count four. Sex trafficking
Speaker 2: by force, fraud, oft coercion as it relates to Jane victim.
Speaker 1: Two not guilty.
Speaker 2: Count five transportation to engage in prostitution as it relates
Speaker 2: to Jane.
Speaker 1: Guilty.
Speaker 2: So we got two guilties, three not guilties, split verdict.
Speaker 2: So there was great jubilation at first when Diddy followers
Speaker 2: heard split. They heard the words not guilty on count
Speaker 2: one and went crazy, What do you think is going
Speaker 2: to happen now, Philip?
Speaker 10: I think he's going to get three to five years
Speaker 10: for the transportation for prostitution. He has no criminal record whatsoever.
Speaker 10: He was exonerated at the RICO charge. He was exonerated
Speaker 10: of the basically the sex trafficking charges, which really were
Speaker 10: the top counts, and the jury really cut him a
Speaker 10: brake on those charges. The max or transportation is ten years.
Speaker 10: But given the fact that he really has no criminal convictions, I'm.
Speaker 1: Telling you he really could ideally.
Speaker 10: Be a candidate four prof. When the court denied his
Speaker 10: request for bail, he was really telegraphing to John Ditty
Speaker 10: defense counsel and the world that he will be getting
Speaker 10: prison time. There's no question, right.
Speaker 1: Another thing debate. Let's get real.
Speaker 2: It's really rare in federal and state court that once
Speaker 2: you're convicted and a jury convicts you on a violent offence,
Speaker 2: that you get an appeal bond, which means, okay, judge,
Speaker 2: I know he just got convicted, but could you please
Speaker 2: let him walk free now until we take this all
Speaker 2: the way up to the appellate court and get a
Speaker 2: decision that rarely works.
Speaker 1: Agree, disagree?
Speaker 7: Oh, I agree one hundred percent.
Speaker 10: No higher court is going to find that this judge
Speaker 10: abused his discretion by not letting him out or by
Speaker 10: not setting a bond.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 2: Robert Chrispin joining me an investigator at Crispin Special investigations
Speaker 2: former homicide and former vice detective Crispin.
Speaker 1: Here's the deal.
Speaker 2: If the judge had granted Shawn Combs a bond and
Speaker 2: appeal a bond.
Speaker 1: Now, remember once.
Speaker 2: He was arrested, Crispin, he was kept behind bars. He
Speaker 2: did not have a bond right for a reason. He's
Speaker 2: got money, and he squats right over by Teeterborough, the
Speaker 2: private airport near New York. You know, if the judge
Speaker 2: had given Shawn Combs an appeal bond, he'd goes straight
Speaker 2: to Teeborough and take off, probably under an assumed name.
Speaker 2: When you fly a private plane, you can give a
Speaker 2: fake ID. Just it's not the same as going through
Speaker 2: TSA at Hartsville International or LaGuardia or JFK No, where
Speaker 2: they will frisk you and look in all your bags.
Speaker 1: It's not like that. At a private plane.
Speaker 2: You kind of just walk on onto your private plane
Speaker 2: that he has, have a glass of champagne and go
Speaker 2: bye bye us, Hello Paris.
Speaker 1: That's what happens, Crispin.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Actually, earlier, just before we came on, Nancy I
Speaker 5: was trying to find out where his G five to
Speaker 5: fifty was because we know that it was out in
Speaker 5: La a couple of days ago. I was trying to
Speaker 5: see if they had already got those guys up and running,
Speaker 5: and that plane was coming eastbound, thinking he was going
Speaker 5: to probably get out and dip out back out to
Speaker 5: LA or back down here to Miami to where his
Speaker 5: neighbors aren't certainly thrilled about him coming back. But doesn't
Speaker 5: look like anytime soon he's going to be gracing his
Speaker 5: presence with these guys. So I was trying to find
Speaker 5: out where that jet was that I haven't found out yet.
Speaker 5: But the verdict is just it's heartbreaking, and it's a
Speaker 5: black eyed to the victims. It's terrible, horrible for any
Speaker 5: of these victims that want to come forward or any
Speaker 5: witness that wants to put their ass on the line,
Speaker 5: raise your right hand and testify against somebody. When a
Speaker 5: jury's going to find that guy not guilty. That's really
Speaker 5: bad for these witnesses and victims. They know what's coming.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 5: Look what just happened to our reporter as she was
Speaker 5: leaving the courthouse. They were attacking her. This guy was
Speaker 5: just found guilty of federal times.
Speaker 2: And I'd like to point out Rob Shooter. What they
Speaker 2: were saying to Tisa Tills.
Speaker 4: Rob.
Speaker 2: They were saying, we're going to do worse to you
Speaker 2: than we did to Cassie Shooter.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's heart Breton did.
Speaker 2: He has to be condoning this. He has been orchestrating
Speaker 2: the crowd. He's been orchestrating everything.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Nancy, I think looking for Diddy to do the
Speaker 6: right thing at this moment is unrealistic.
Speaker 7: This is who he is. The whole world has seen
Speaker 7: who he.
Speaker 6: Is, and unfortunately, there's a large amount of people out
Speaker 6: there who are just perfectly fine with this. Nobody can
Speaker 6: pretend anymore that we don't know who did he is.
Speaker 6: We know we've seen him on tape. That tape will
Speaker 6: exist forever. We've heard the testimonies, we've heard the accounts,
Speaker 6: we've heard the details, we've seen them, and yet some
Speaker 6: people still support him. There's nothing we can do about that, Nancy.
Speaker 6: And to think that Diddy is going to stop it,
Speaker 6: that ain't going to happen. He's going to encourage it.
Speaker 6: He wants people out that, he wants the violence, He
Speaker 6: wants people screaming. This to him is the party that
Speaker 6: he always wanted to throw shape.
Speaker 2: You know, Rob Shooter, everything you're saying can be transposed
Speaker 2: to him before he was arrested. You know, in every case,
Speaker 2: I've told you this before off air. I've seen a
Speaker 2: million homicide scenes. I've been to the Morgue, I've seen
Speaker 2: it all. But there's always a moment in a trial
Speaker 2: that just twists the knife is very disturbing. And in
Speaker 2: this trial, there were two moments like that for me.
Speaker 2: And one was in the Hotel Intercontinental video beat down
Speaker 2: where she had already been beaten and she was backing
Speaker 2: up and she tried to hold up She's right handed
Speaker 2: was holding holding her mouth I think, with one hand,
Speaker 2: the right hand and holding up her left hand against
Speaker 2: Sean Comb's like she could fight him off, okay. And
Speaker 2: the the other moment was when she was getting beaten
Speaker 2: and she was down on the floor and Combs had
Speaker 2: a glass, a liquor glass held up ready to throw
Speaker 2: down at her face, and she said.
Speaker 1: Can't you see what's happening? And nobody did anything.
Speaker 2: It's just like today in the courtroom. The jury didn't
Speaker 2: do anything.
Speaker 7: They didn't they didn't answer. It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 6: People I know who have worked with him, who knew him,
Speaker 6: many of us are on a text exchange and they're
Speaker 6: heartbroken and a lot of people are really worried to
Speaker 6: I don't want to keep hopping on about this, Nancy,
Speaker 6: but this is a very dangerous man. This is a
Speaker 6: man who allegedly try to fire bomb the car of
Speaker 6: somebody that was dating his girlfriend, his ex girlfriend. This
Speaker 6: is a dangerous, dangerous man. And what that jury has
Speaker 6: just done has said it doesn't matter. It's okay. You
Speaker 6: keep being puffy, you keep being you, and we will
Speaker 6: support you. But let me just say, Nancy, we can't
Speaker 6: just blame the jury here. We've got to blame the
Speaker 6: person that did it. And that's did he did. He
Speaker 6: is responsible for all this. Everything else is a red herring.
Speaker 6: He's the problem and he will continue now to.
Speaker 7: Be a problem.
Speaker 2: Doctor Cheryl Ert, who is a clinical and forensic psychologist,
Speaker 2: explain the effect this is going to have on not
Speaker 2: only these victims that we heard on the stand, but
Speaker 2: other victims everywhere.
Speaker 11: Nancy, Once there is the threat of violence, that power
Speaker 11: control tactic shapes everything that happens after that. We have
Speaker 11: a jury who heard evidence about a tremendous amount of violence, threats,
Speaker 11: threats of blackmail, videotaped assaults, that were maintaining the power
Speaker 11: and control, and yet they didn't feel that they had
Speaker 11: enough evidence to be able to find that what was
Speaker 11: happening there was not consensual. Trafficking has to do with force, fraud, coercion.
Speaker 11: Consent is anything, but when somebody really scary makes you
Speaker 11: an offer that you cannot refuse, that is not consent.
Speaker 11: And what I think people are failing to understand about
Speaker 11: the way that the even the threat of violence shapes
Speaker 11: behavior is that when someone does not believe that they
Speaker 11: can survive a threat by actually fighting back, they use fawning,
Speaker 11: They use appeasing, they use the freeze response. They are
Speaker 11: trying to placate the person who is scaring them. And
Speaker 11: this man certainly has no shortage of people who were
Speaker 11: really really right no of him, and still are.
Speaker 12: And I think that these really normal autonomic nervous system
Speaker 12: survival responses, fawning, appeasing, the freeze response, these are things
Speaker 12: that need to be understood better by juris understood better
Speaker 12: by the public, and even by survivors themselves.
Speaker 2: You know, Rob Shooter, would you look one more time
Speaker 2: at these celebrations going on outside the courthouse. Now we
Speaker 2: have gotten this from armand Wiggins and Sta He posted
Speaker 2: it earlier today and this is after the split verdict
Speaker 2: was announced.
Speaker 1: Take a look. Okay armand Wiggins on Instagram.
Speaker 6: Thoughts, Nancy, I can tell you, as somebody who knows
Speaker 6: puff those people standing outside that courts have never met him.
Speaker 6: They've never been to his apartment, they've never been on
Speaker 6: his prime it playing, they've never had a text or
Speaker 6: an email or a.
Speaker 7: Phone call with him. I have.
Speaker 6: He doesn't care about any of those people, all those
Speaker 6: people who have took their time their energy to go
Speaker 6: and support this guy. Let me talk to them directly.
Speaker 6: He does not care about you. If he can treat
Speaker 6: his girlfriend Cassie the way that we've seen him treat
Speaker 6: it on video, this is not testimony, this is video.
Speaker 6: If he can treat someone who he's supposed to love
Speaker 6: like that, how do you think he can treat you.
Speaker 6: He doesn't care about you. You're wasting your energy on him,
Speaker 6: and honestly, my friends, stop, he doesn't care. He's laughing
Speaker 6: at these people outside that court, He's egging them on,
Speaker 6: but he doesn't care.
Speaker 2: You know, Rob Sheeter, you speak with so much conviction
Speaker 2: and so much feeling, and that tells me that you
Speaker 2: know something, something you haven't told me. Why do you
Speaker 2: believe this? What did you observe to make you say
Speaker 2: what you just said.
Speaker 6: I've observed a really selfish person, Nancy. I've observed a
Speaker 6: person who doesn't have any shame, who has no sense
Speaker 6: of pride, who has no sense of decency.
Speaker 7: He's a really bad man, and.
Speaker 13: Through his career, through the media, through his products, he
Speaker 13: has managed to come us all, to kid us all
Speaker 13: into believing he is somebody else.
Speaker 6: Now, I hoped that day was coming to an end.
Speaker 6: In fact, I could even tell you the day that
Speaker 6: I thought it was ending.
Speaker 7: It was today.
Speaker 6: I'm absolutely punched to my gut, to my stomach to
Speaker 6: know that Puffy once again rises. Maybe not like a phoenix,
Speaker 6: but justice does not feel as if it has been served.
Speaker 2: Do you know that people aren't flooding the Corehouse, the
Speaker 2: judges chamber with letters please don't let him out.
Speaker 1: We're afraid.
Speaker 2: From Cassie Ventura's lawyer to Deonte Nash, so many others
Speaker 2: in fear, just like what you're saying. And we heard
Speaker 2: earlier how this affects people. They saw what happened to
Speaker 2: Kid Cuddy, they saw what happened to Cassie and now
Speaker 2: he's going to walk crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1: Sydney Sumner.
Speaker 2: I understand that during the hearing today, this is after
Speaker 2: the split verdict, when everyone where I spray each other
Speaker 2: with baby oil outside the courthouse and baying and yelling
Speaker 2: and celebrating. Comes goes back into the courtroom Sydney for
Speaker 2: the hearing. Right the hearing on is there going to
Speaker 2: be an appeal?
Speaker 8: Bond?
Speaker 2: Comes going to walk out of the courthouse a freeman
Speaker 2: today during that hearing, Comes briefly tries to raise his
Speaker 2: hand to speak after the judge denies his request for release.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 2: The judge seemed to ignore the move and instead asks
Speaker 2: the US Assistant Attorney Marine Comy to respond, and she says, quote,
Speaker 2: he is extremely violent with an extraordinary temper, who has
Speaker 2: shown no remorse and no regret. And it makes me think, Sidney,
Speaker 2: about that fake apology. I'm gonna queue that up and
Speaker 2: play it for you in just a moment, said where
Speaker 2: he does all this apologizing after beating Cassie, but according
Speaker 2: to what we learned in court and sworn testimony, he
Speaker 2: continued the violence after the apology video. That's what she said,
Speaker 2: no remorse and no regret at all.
Speaker 9: Yeah, this is definitely what the judge and prosecutors are thinking.
Speaker 9: Comy referenced the violent incident with Jane Mister colmbs knew
Speaker 9: he was already under investigation. The judge referenced the multiple
Speaker 9: instances of Colme's trying to reach out to potential witnesses,
Speaker 9: trying to sway their opinions of what they might tell
Speaker 9: investigators after this investigation began, when Colmes was well aware
Speaker 9: it was underway. Judge Supermonian also referenced Mark Agnaphillo's own
Speaker 9: closing arguments. You full throwther feet told the jury that
Speaker 9: there was violence, domestic violence in all of Colme's relationships.
Speaker 9: Y'all own that, and it may have helped on some
Speaker 9: of these charges. It may have helped with the guilty
Speaker 9: not guilty verdict, but it is definitely coming back to
Speaker 9: bite him now, straight out to Lanshaw.
Speaker 1: This also happened in the proceedings.
Speaker 2: This is after tried to raise his hand to address
Speaker 2: the judge directly during the arguments, and this is after
Speaker 2: the split verdict when everybody was celebrating outside. Now comes
Speaker 2: the appeal bond, where the judge is going to decide
Speaker 2: will comes walk free tonight?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: The judge looks over at the defense and he says,
Speaker 2: as Sidney just reported.
Speaker 1: Quote you full throatedly.
Speaker 2: I've never even heard anybody use that phrase, but he did.
Speaker 2: You full throatedly, in your closing argument told the jury
Speaker 2: there was violence, and domestic violence is violence. You said
Speaker 2: this was the case that did have violence. This is
Speaker 2: the judge talking to Combs as to the basic question
Speaker 2: of violence.
Speaker 1: You conceded that in your closing argument.
Speaker 2: Now throughout this comes this furiously passing notes back and
Speaker 2: forth to Agniffilo, who was trying to stand there and
Speaker 2: argue and read all of Shawn comes his notes.
Speaker 1: Wait for it, land Shaw. Magnifilo responds, I.
Speaker 2: Just think we should trust him.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna flee. He just deserves a chance.
Speaker 8: Lann, please let us all get off this dirty diddy,
Speaker 8: degenerate merry garround that we're all on. How dare that lawyer?
Speaker 8: How dare he? He's got a wife, he's got a daughter.
Speaker 8: I believe he's got sisters, a mother, talk like this
Speaker 8: violence is violence? Trust him. We have seen everything to
Speaker 8: the contrary, including video evidence of Cassie being beaten. How
Speaker 8: much more do we need? This goes back to this
Speaker 8: is one of the worst days here at the Warriors
Speaker 8: to have all of this video, to hear the way
Speaker 8: they're talking about victims. Trust him, trust him. There's no
Speaker 8: way anybody should trust him. I'm here in New York
Speaker 8: City and Rob Shooter's correct. We've got these dirty Diddy
Speaker 8: disciples running around. People should be in fear of this guy.
Speaker 8: But that brings me to how does he get away
Speaker 8: with all of this for decades? What about the victims
Speaker 8: that I've been up for forty eight hours now, counseling, helping,
Speaker 8: giving out phone numbers, resources, Come stay with me if
Speaker 8: you don't want to be alone. What a slap in
Speaker 8: the face today to all of these victim survivors of
Speaker 8: any kind of sexual abuse. And you know what, this
Speaker 8: is the problem with sex trafficking. Nobody I'm a broken record.
Speaker 8: Nobody understands it. Nobody understands what force for coersion. Nobody
Speaker 8: understands coersion, And you know what, it is time we
Speaker 8: change it up. But this is a travesty today. What
Speaker 8: a slap in everybody's face.
Speaker 2: Sean comes goes to jail, tonight split verdict not guilty
Speaker 2: on Rico, not guilty on two counts of sex trafficking,
Speaker 2: guilty on two counts bringing people across state lines to
Speaker 2: engage in an illegal as activity, that being prostitution as
Speaker 2: it relates to Cassie Ventura a victim, and Jane not
Speaker 2: her real name a victim. To Robert Crispin joining me
Speaker 2: PI but former beat coop, former special investigator with the
Speaker 2: Federal Task Force for the US Department of Justice, and
Speaker 2: on and on, Robert Crispin, have you ever been in
Speaker 2: a case where the bad guy walks?
Speaker 5: Oh? My god, Nancy, this brought back. This brought back
Speaker 5: such a memory of a guy who was leaning over
Speaker 5: the balcony holding two kilos of cocaine in a CBS bag,
Speaker 5: getting ready to drop it on the floor because the
Speaker 5: Feds were knocking on the front door and I was
Speaker 5: covering the back door, and he dropped it, and I
Speaker 5: got it, and I id'ed him, and we went to
Speaker 5: the jury and the jury found him not guilty when me,
Speaker 5: as the Federal dea Drug agent, watched him drop that bag.
Speaker 5: And you know why, Nancy, because juries are so unpredictable.
Speaker 5: You know why we didn't pull his DNA off the bag,
Speaker 5: but I watched him. I watched him drop those kilos
Speaker 5: of cocaine out of the ground. These juries have a
Speaker 5: mind of their own.
Speaker 2: I know how that must have felt, Shane. And the
Speaker 2: thing is, this is a violent crime. Philip debay from
Speaker 2: what the judge was saying when Shawn comes raised his
Speaker 2: hand trying to speak to the judge while Agniffolo was arguing,
Speaker 2: the judge acting like he didn't even see him. The
Speaker 2: judge did note the wide divergence between what the state
Speaker 2: wants his sentencing and what the defense wants is sentencing,
Speaker 2: But hearing what the judge said, the judge can't just
Speaker 2: erase from his mind what he saw on the Cassie
Speaker 2: beat down video. He cannot erase from his mind what
Speaker 2: the victim said on the stand.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be a light sentence.
Speaker 1: I just don't.
Speaker 2: But of course I thought he was going to get
Speaker 2: convicted today too, on all accounts. Be honest, take off
Speaker 2: your defense hat. Where do you think this is going?
Speaker 2: What will be the sentence?
Speaker 10: Three to five years because he has no record and Nancy,
Speaker 10: make no mistake about it. The violation of the man
Speaker 10: active beast as charge is not a violent crime. It
Speaker 10: simply is not. It doesn't mean that it's not a crime,
Speaker 10: it's just not.
Speaker 1: You know what, debate, it's a fact debate. It's based debate, prostitute.
Speaker 1: Save it to stop.
Speaker 2: Because I saw the bruises on Cassie, I saw the
Speaker 2: fat lip, I saw the gash in her face, on
Speaker 2: her head that needed plastic surgery.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me what I didn't see debate At.
Speaker 2: This hour, Shawn Combe's defense attorneys arguing for sentencing.
Speaker 1: Sooner.
Speaker 2: Are they headed straight to the White House to get
Speaker 2: a full on pardon. We don't know, but at this
Speaker 2: hour Shawn Combs, at least for tonight, is behind bars,
Speaker 2: and now we hear at crime stories. Salute American heroes,
Speaker 2: Heroes that dare to come forward, heroes that against all odds,
Speaker 2: take the stand and try, even in the face of defeat,
Speaker 2: and to prosecutors, they go into the courtroom against all odds,
Speaker 2: and they try, and when they win, they're mocked, and
Speaker 2: when they lose, they're mocked, and they get up the
Speaker 2: next day to fight again. To all of you American heroes,
Speaker 2: thank you, and good night.