WEBVTT - DIDDY GOING TO JAIL

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<v Speaker 1>Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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<v Speaker 2>Breaking news Tonight, Diddy goes to jail after exuberant celebrations

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<v Speaker 2>outside the courthouse with Dinny fans dousing each other with

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<v Speaker 2>baby oil. Of course, now a somber tone as Sean

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<v Speaker 2>Combs heads to jail. I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to thank you for being with us. After

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<v Speaker 2>a split verdict earlier in the day, where Shawn Combs

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<v Speaker 2>is acquitted of rico, two other counts come into play.

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<v Speaker 2>Shawn Comb's convicted on two felony counts. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>massive argument via paper to keep Shawn Combs behind bars,

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<v Speaker 2>the defense fighting tooth and nail to let him out

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<v Speaker 2>on appeal bond, which means you get out while your

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<v Speaker 2>conviction is being appear joining me right now Tisa Tales.

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<v Speaker 2>You can find her on YouTube at Tisa Tales. Tisa

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<v Speaker 2>start at the beginning, Start with the verdict, the split.

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<v Speaker 3>What happened when the jury walked in, everybody was on

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<v Speaker 3>pins and needles.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody in the courtroom expected him to be guilty on

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<v Speaker 3>at least the sex trafficking. There was a somber tone.

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<v Speaker 3>They walked in and when they.

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<v Speaker 4>Said please read, and they said, what do you find ye?

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<v Speaker 1>On count one?

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<v Speaker 3>Not guilty? It was a bomb that went off in

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<v Speaker 3>the courtroom. The public audibly gassed. Nobody was expecting that.

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<v Speaker 3>There were tears of joy from Ditty's side.

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<v Speaker 4>Count two, what say ye not guilty? Again?

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<v Speaker 3>Another bombshell went off. People were in utter disbelief. Any

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<v Speaker 3>even Ditty's most ardent supporters, did not expect him to

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<v Speaker 3>get off on the count of sex trafficking with Cassie.

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<v Speaker 3>Count three when they said guilty for transportation of a prostitute,

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<v Speaker 3>When they said guilty for the manna, that is when

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<v Speaker 3>did He's team actually cheered, Yeah, that's all right, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>come on, almost like we were watching a pro football game.

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<v Speaker 3>When the other ones came in after that, there were

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<v Speaker 3>jaws on the ground. It was unbelievable. People were looking

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<v Speaker 3>at the jury, searching and to how they can get

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<v Speaker 3>a verdict in this day and age. They heard Cassie's mother,

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty thousand, they heard Capricorn Clark, they heard about

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<v Speaker 3>the savage beatings, and it was unbelievable that the only

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<v Speaker 3>thing they said was prostitution.

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<v Speaker 4>And that is because Daniel.

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<v Speaker 3>Phillips in his testimony actually said, at least I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 3>that it was because that he got paid to have

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<v Speaker 3>sex for money.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a travesty. It was an all out circus.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody, including myself, are running to safety.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a question for your tast of tales, and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's going to want to know this. You're in a

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<v Speaker 2>car right now. You had to leave the courthouse.

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<v Speaker 3>Why I had to leave the courthouse because Diddy's supporters

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<v Speaker 3>were out of control.

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<v Speaker 4>The first time I ran and dipped my live.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, I had two armed security guys. Everyone told

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<v Speaker 3>me the people in the courthouse is like, make sure

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<v Speaker 3>you have security.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of weird stuff going on. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>just me, but I'll tell you what I experienced.

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<v Speaker 3>Diddy's support is surrounding me, threatening me, saying that they

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<v Speaker 3>were going to hurt me. It was a serious situation.

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<v Speaker 3>It got so bad and there was so much chaos

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<v Speaker 3>of chaos and violence that they actually had to lock

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<v Speaker 3>the courtroom down and force the Diddy supporters across the street.

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<v Speaker 3>It was something myself, the news media, mainstream media, new

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<v Speaker 3>media have never seen in their lives.

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<v Speaker 4>The level and again the jurors.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope to God they know how to sleep night, because.

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<v Speaker 4>Again I'm sure they did their duty.

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<v Speaker 3>But when all that cast was happening, as I was

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<v Speaker 3>being threatened and ushered out by armed security people, I thought,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what the jury did.

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<v Speaker 4>They sent a signal that it is okay to use.

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<v Speaker 3>Violence, It's okay to drug people up, it's okay to

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<v Speaker 3>live a life of debauchery. It's okay to do whatever

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<v Speaker 3>you want. Because guess what if you work hard enough,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have enough money and enough de losional fans,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have engrained yourself in culture enough that you

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<v Speaker 3>can do whatever you want, and twelve of your peers

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<v Speaker 3>will look the other way.

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<v Speaker 4>Again, this jury was shocking.

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<v Speaker 1>Taste of tales.

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<v Speaker 2>When you say that Shawonkhim's supporters threatened you, what were

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<v Speaker 2>they saying?

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<v Speaker 4>They were saying you B you F and B were

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<v Speaker 4>going to kill you? You F and B. You worked.

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently I worked for the fans. You're a plant. You

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<v Speaker 3>make this all up because of you. Again, they're not

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<v Speaker 3>too smart.

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<v Speaker 4>Because of you.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how this case got started. We're gonna treat you

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<v Speaker 3>worse than we treated Cassie.

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<v Speaker 4>Cassie, what we do.

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<v Speaker 3>To you, it's gonna be nothing that they had on Cassie.

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<v Speaker 3>They were screaming, they were yelling. Some people were saying,

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<v Speaker 3>apologize the Diddy, apologize the Ditty. Of course, thank goodness.

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<v Speaker 3>We had Lenny and we had Jimmy, two of the

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<v Speaker 3>best arm guards out there. So the one thing is

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<v Speaker 3>they and also they started foaming like wild dogs because

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<v Speaker 3>they realized that I was not an unprotected woman, and

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<v Speaker 3>they realized they could not just do what they felt like,

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<v Speaker 3>And they started foaming like wild dogs, screaming, their voices

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<v Speaker 3>cracking in anger that they ricially wanted to rip me apart.

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<v Speaker 4>This is why their hero had been exonerated.

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<v Speaker 3>Even in the best of times, these people that support him,

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<v Speaker 3>there's something wrong with it.

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<v Speaker 4>And I gotta tell you, Nancy, it wasn't just me.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not just me.

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<v Speaker 3>It was anybody that didn't have a pro Diddy stamp

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<v Speaker 3>from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>That's who stuffed joining me an all star panel. But

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<v Speaker 2>I want to thank Tisa Tales for what she's doing tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Rob Shooter is joining me.

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<v Speaker 5>Rob.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't know where to start. This is a blow.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a huge blow to crime victims all over

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<v Speaker 2>the country. Huge blow. The big news is right now,

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<v Speaker 2>Sean Combs is going to jail. Okay, He's going to jail.

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually worried that somehow.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge would contriveting the law.

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<v Speaker 2>And the law is under the Bell Reform Act that

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<v Speaker 2>for these two charges on which he was convicted he

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<v Speaker 2>has to go to jail.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no appeal bond period.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was so concerned that the judge would somehow

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<v Speaker 2>find a way to let him walk.

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<v Speaker 1>And all this time, Shooter.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been hearing. I've got all these letters here. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>one from Deontay Nash in fear. In fear talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Combs is long documented history a violent retaliatory behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>They're afraid. Rob Shooter.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, Shooter knows comes better than any of us. His

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<v Speaker 2>longtime publicists no more. But now you can find him

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<v Speaker 2>at his substack Robshooter dot substack dot com and not

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<v Speaker 2>Ey but Nice podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Shooter.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to tell you, it's like a kick in

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<v Speaker 2>the stomach when that split verdict came down.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think everybody was done before. Before I continue, then, Nancy,

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<v Speaker 6>I just want to send my best to Tisha. What

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<v Speaker 6>happened to her outside that courthouse is horrific. It's wrong,

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<v Speaker 6>and I'm afraid these people now have been emboldened because

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<v Speaker 6>their hero, their idol, Diddy looks like he is going

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<v Speaker 6>to walk free.

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<v Speaker 7>So this morning, when we heard the judgment, I think we.

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<v Speaker 6>Were all shell shocked, we were all heartbroken, we all

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<v Speaker 6>felt like we'd been kicked in the stomach. However, as

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<v Speaker 6>the day has gone on, we do have to remember,

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<v Speaker 6>Nancy that he has been found guilty of two.

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<v Speaker 7>Very serious charges.

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<v Speaker 6>If any other celebrity had been charged with those two charges,

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<v Speaker 6>those alone and being found guilty, we would be done

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<v Speaker 6>with them. So the celebration from Team Diddy, the disappointment

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<v Speaker 6>from people who've been watching this as closely as we have,

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<v Speaker 6>I think we can take a step back both sides

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<v Speaker 6>and realize that this is not a good day for Diddy.

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<v Speaker 6>He is now a federal criminal, is in jail tonight,

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<v Speaker 6>He's going to remain there until he is sentenced, and

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<v Speaker 6>so at least take some solace in that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Rob Shooter, I've been getting flooded by crime victims,

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<v Speaker 2>rape victims from all walks of life.

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<v Speaker 1>There are upset.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't really sound mad, yet they're devastated, They're sad,

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<v Speaker 2>they can't believe this has happened. I've been already subjected

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<v Speaker 2>to a lot of attacks, verbal attacks, and nothing like

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<v Speaker 2>what Tisa tells has been subjected to already. But I

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<v Speaker 2>give the credit to the prosecutors for going in there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I truly believe this was a David and Goliath,

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<v Speaker 2>and they went in against one of the highest profile

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<v Speaker 2>personalities in our country, Sean Comes, who many people think

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<v Speaker 2>that they know and they love him, and for some reason,

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<v Speaker 2>that blinded them, that drowned out everything that three sex

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<v Speaker 2>attack victims said.

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<v Speaker 1>And one had the video? What had the video? I

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<v Speaker 1>just I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Sheeter, give me some insight and to how Sean

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<v Speaker 2>Comes got a split vertic. But yes, you're right, he

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<v Speaker 2>is going to jail on two felonies, two felonies. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a victory that Sean Comes is going to jail.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's a victory.

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<v Speaker 6>We have to hang on for that, Nancy, because in

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<v Speaker 6>this moment, in this hour, it's not a lot of hope.

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<v Speaker 7>Everything seems so bad.

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<v Speaker 6>We have let down not just the people in this case,

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<v Speaker 6>but victims around the world. Did he now will be

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<v Speaker 6>empowered this is not the end of the story, Nancy.

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<v Speaker 6>When he gets out of jail, if he gets out

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<v Speaker 6>of jail, his behavior will not change because he thinks

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<v Speaker 6>he has.

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<v Speaker 7>Gotten away with it. Again. If you enable.

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<v Speaker 6>Someone, Nancy, they do not change. So mark my words, Nancy,

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<v Speaker 6>this is not the end of the did he story.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the end of a very very sad chapter. And

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<v Speaker 6>I think we've let a lot of people down. And

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<v Speaker 6>as far as being concerned about safety, I just broke

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<v Speaker 6>reporting that Cassie has now increased her security. Cassie in

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<v Speaker 6>New York, her home now has security increased. And I

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<v Speaker 6>think a lot of other people, courageous people who came

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<v Speaker 6>forward assistance, people that worked with Diddy came forward and testified.

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<v Speaker 6>They're very vulnerable and they are very, very scared right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Lynn Shaw joining me, Founder and director Lynn's Warriors, dedicated

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<v Speaker 2>to ending sex trafficking and sex abuse on girls and women.

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<v Speaker 2>When I learned about the split verdict, I was speechless.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you want the prosecutors to do? Go

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<v Speaker 2>home and hide under the bed. Should they have just

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<v Speaker 2>never even brought the case? They did it because they

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<v Speaker 2>believed it, and I still do believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>Lynn.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe Cassie Ventira was coerced and beaten into having

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<v Speaker 2>sex with male sex workers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's sex trafficking. I believe her.

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<v Speaker 8>I believe Cassie. I believe Jane. I believe sex trafficking.

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<v Speaker 8>This is a sober reflection today on everything I've been

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<v Speaker 8>talking about for about eight weeks now with this trial

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<v Speaker 8>that the public and I'm going to say the jurors, okay,

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<v Speaker 8>do not understand predation power, what sex trafficking is. And

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<v Speaker 8>a reminder again, this case was not just about one man.

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<v Speaker 8>This case was about all of the victims across the

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<v Speaker 8>country the world whose voices have been silenced because they

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<v Speaker 8>don't come forward because the justice system usually picks power, wealth,

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<v Speaker 8>status over believing their truths. But I want to point out,

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<v Speaker 8>as the day enrolled, there is hope. I've spent all

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<v Speaker 8>day coaching people, talking people, fielding text messages, and I

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<v Speaker 8>want to say, you know what, these victims that reach

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<v Speaker 8>out to me, Nancy, they're not even angry, you know

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<v Speaker 8>what they keep saying. Please, Lynn, please remind everybody we're victims.

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<v Speaker 8>Please remind everybody we have a voice. Please, remind everybody

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<v Speaker 8>we are here, and that goes back to I have

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<v Speaker 8>to do. We have to do in society a better

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<v Speaker 8>job of educating about sex, trafficking, about trauma, bonding, trauma,

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<v Speaker 8>what predation really looks like. This is the most frightening

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<v Speaker 8>thing to empower this. Sean Combs and I just want

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<v Speaker 8>to make the commitment that we will work very hard

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<v Speaker 8>to continue reforming, raising awareness and working with the justice system.

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<v Speaker 2>Straight back out to Tisa Tales, who has made it

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<v Speaker 2>to a safe location, Tisa Tales. I want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about what happened when the split verdict was announced in

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<v Speaker 2>the courtroom, and then I want to move to the

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<v Speaker 2>appeal bond hearing. Let's start with the split verdict. Take

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<v Speaker 2>it from the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>The split verdict, from the very beginning. When you heard

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<v Speaker 3>count one not guilty, a bomb went off in the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 4>Not guilty. No one could believe it.

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<v Speaker 3>Song Diddy's calm side even looked around as if they

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<v Speaker 3>hadn't heard correctly. No one thought that the jury would actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Go this far.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody thought that the delay meant that he was actually guilty.

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<v Speaker 3>When the second count was read again, jawls dropped open.

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<v Speaker 4>Did he leaned back in relief, raised his hands. The

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<v Speaker 4>defense team was.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, yes, I get it. They literally pulled a magic act. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>they literally pulled a magic act. His team, his side,

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<v Speaker 3>started celebrating, started saying yeah, when we heard the third count,

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<v Speaker 3>guilty for the prostitution, okay, everyone on his side it

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<v Speaker 3>was like.

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<v Speaker 4>That's okay, that's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>They were clapping, almost like they were watching a football game.

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<v Speaker 3>When they first came out with the verdict. The prosecution

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<v Speaker 3>was doing what they were doing. They were looking straight

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a job, I would assume, to look like

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<v Speaker 3>they always have it under control. By the time they

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<v Speaker 3>got to the third count, Marine called me looked over

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<v Speaker 3>at the jury in disbelief.

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<v Speaker 4>Literally again, she's always.

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<v Speaker 3>Very composed, but even for her to finally look over

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<v Speaker 3>at the jury on some are you kidding me? And

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<v Speaker 3>she just kept looking at the jury as they read

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<v Speaker 3>the counts. Again, I know the jury did their best,

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<v Speaker 3>but I cannot feel that justice was served. How can

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<v Speaker 3>you forget the vicious beatings, How can you forget the

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<v Speaker 3>twenty k the mom had to wire and order for

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<v Speaker 3>two freak off tapes not to be released.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, that's what she thought. When she wired it.

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<v Speaker 3>How can you forget what happened to Bonna being hung

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<v Speaker 3>over balcony.

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<v Speaker 4>She might have got the date wrong by a few

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<v Speaker 4>days days, but the point is it happened.

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<v Speaker 3>How you can forget Deontay Nash and the best friend

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<v Speaker 3>Carrie who got a hangar to the head and saw

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<v Speaker 3>Cassie get impiled driven into the corner of a bed

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<v Speaker 3>on purpose. How can you forget all that and come

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<v Speaker 3>back and say, you know what, we don't see anything

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<v Speaker 3>criminal here again. We can argue about the procesxcuse prostitution

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<v Speaker 3>got ditty.

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<v Speaker 4>On the head. We can argue about the prosecution what

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<v Speaker 4>they could.

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<v Speaker 3>Have did better, But the fact that the jury chose

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<v Speaker 3>to overlook all that. It brought me back to what

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<v Speaker 3>Rob Shooter said weeks ago when I first started joining you, Nacy,

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<v Speaker 3>that people get starstrucked and they want some of that magic.

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<v Speaker 4>And it makes me wonder were they starstruck?

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<v Speaker 3>Were they feeling sorry and trying to protect a legacy

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<v Speaker 3>for someone that hit their depravity and their evil ways

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<v Speaker 3>behind it.

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<v Speaker 4>It makes you.

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<v Speaker 1>Wonder Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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<v Speaker 2>Bombshell Tonight, Sean Comes aka Diddy goes to jail, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>After a last ditch bid at an appeal bond, he

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<v Speaker 2>was denied and is going to jail right now as

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<v Speaker 2>we speak, Joining Man All Star Panel.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to Tasa Tails joining us. She had to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Escorted by armed guards out of the courthouse and leave

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<v Speaker 2>the scene after she was mobbed by Diddy fans. Explain

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<v Speaker 2>to me what was happening outside the courthouse. I understand

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<v Speaker 2>that was the split verdict was announced. The Diddy followers,

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<v Speaker 2>the Diddy worshippers went cray outside the courthouse, actually dousing

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<v Speaker 2>each other with baby oil and chanting.

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<v Speaker 4>They formed the circle. It looked like a mush pit

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<v Speaker 4>of depravity.

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<v Speaker 3>They were spraying baby oil on each other, jumping around,

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<v Speaker 3>feeling fantastic. One woman and a pair of Calvin kleinb

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<v Speaker 3>briefs and agra started jumping up and down, wiggling why

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<v Speaker 3>they sat there spraying baby on her, and the crowd.

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<v Speaker 4>Was channing yay, yay, yay go and.

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<v Speaker 3>Hyping them up. It was a monstrous bowl of party depravity.

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<v Speaker 3>When I say, I was sickened. When I say, I

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<v Speaker 3>shook my head. And when I said, these are the peers,

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<v Speaker 3>these are the jury of the peers, And it makes

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<v Speaker 3>me wonder.

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<v Speaker 4>As a jury goes home and they look at the television.

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<v Speaker 3>Sets and they see what their decision costs and what

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<v Speaker 3>was on the line, it makes me wonder how can they.

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<v Speaker 4>Sleep at night?

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<v Speaker 3>It was absolute pandemonia in between the jumping up and

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<v Speaker 3>down with the baby oil woman willingly baby oil being

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<v Speaker 3>squirted on them, and everybody laughing and having a time

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<v Speaker 3>like Christmas had just come with Santa and the twelve

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<v Speaker 3>perverted Elves. What happened after that was even more amazing

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<v Speaker 3>because while that was going on, there were little fires

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<v Speaker 3>everywhere of these bands of I don't know if they're

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<v Speaker 3>in cels, if they're idiots, what was going on looking

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<v Speaker 3>for anybody they had ever saw make anti Ditty contests,

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<v Speaker 3>And by anti Diddy, according to Thelm, it is pro justice.

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<v Speaker 3>They were going out their ways to make sure.

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<v Speaker 4>That everybody paid.

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<v Speaker 3>And again I said, this is what that jury costs us,

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<v Speaker 3>and let us know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's sent a message.

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<v Speaker 3>It's okay to be depraved, it's okay to beat women,

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<v Speaker 3>it's okay to do drugs, it's okay to do whatever

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<v Speaker 3>you want. And that jury, that jury, when they gave

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<v Speaker 3>the verdict, signals that again I'm still coming to terms

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<v Speaker 3>with how.

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<v Speaker 4>The jury got to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank god, this man was denied bail, Thank god.

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<v Speaker 2>Straight out to Sidney Sunray joining US Crime Stories investigative

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<v Speaker 2>reporter on the case from the very beginning. Break down

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<v Speaker 2>the counts for me, said.

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<v Speaker 9>Nancy, how one is that racketeering, rico conspiracy. Combs was

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<v Speaker 9>found not guilty on count one, Count two, three, four,

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<v Speaker 9>and five are those sex trafficking and transportation to engage

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<v Speaker 9>in prostitution charges. So there was one count each for

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<v Speaker 9>Casey and Jane on both of those charges. So the

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<v Speaker 9>jury found that Combs was liable for both transportation to

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<v Speaker 9>engage in prostitution charges and not guilty see on sex

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<v Speaker 9>trafficking for either Jane or Cassie.

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<v Speaker 2>Straight out to Philip Debate, joining US veteran trial lawyer,

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<v Speaker 2>joining US out of the LA jurisdiction. So Debate, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the breakdown. Count one racketeering not guilty. Count two

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<v Speaker 2>sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion as it relates

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<v Speaker 2>to Cassie Ventira. You know the woman that was beaten

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<v Speaker 2>in that video and dragged back to a freak off

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<v Speaker 2>her the one that had to get plastic surgery on

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<v Speaker 2>her face after Didd he beat her up. That one,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a not guilty. Count three transportation to engage in

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<v Speaker 2>prostitution as it relates to Cassie. Guilty that carries a

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<v Speaker 2>maximum of ten years, and that comes, I believe from

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<v Speaker 2>the sex worker who came in Philip and described Sean

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<v Speaker 2>Combs wearing a burka from the chin up and make

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<v Speaker 2>it from the chin down and had him have sex

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<v Speaker 2>with Cassie on video and directed them that was across

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<v Speaker 2>state lines. So gilty on that count four. Sex trafficking

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<v Speaker 2>by force, fraud, oft coercion as it relates to Jane victim.

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<v Speaker 1>Two not guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>Count five transportation to engage in prostitution as it relates

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<v Speaker 2>to Jane.

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<v Speaker 1>Guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>So we got two guilties, three not guilties, split verdict.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was great jubilation at first when Diddy followers

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<v Speaker 2>heard split. They heard the words not guilty on count

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<v Speaker 2>one and went crazy, What do you think is going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen now, Philip?

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<v Speaker 10>I think he's going to get three to five years

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<v Speaker 10>for the transportation for prostitution. He has no criminal record whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 10>He was exonerated at the RICO charge. He was exonerated

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<v Speaker 10>of the basically the sex trafficking charges, which really were

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<v Speaker 10>the top counts, and the jury really cut him a

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<v Speaker 10>brake on those charges. The max or transportation is ten years.

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<v Speaker 10>But given the fact that he really has no criminal convictions, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Telling you he really could ideally.

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<v Speaker 10>Be a candidate four prof. When the court denied his

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<v Speaker 10>request for bail, he was really telegraphing to John Ditty

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<v Speaker 10>defense counsel and the world that he will be getting

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<v Speaker 10>prison time. There's no question, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing debate. Let's get real.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really rare in federal and state court that once

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<v Speaker 2>you're convicted and a jury convicts you on a violent offence,

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<v Speaker 2>that you get an appeal bond, which means, okay, judge,

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<v Speaker 2>I know he just got convicted, but could you please

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<v Speaker 2>let him walk free now until we take this all

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<v Speaker 2>the way up to the appellate court and get a

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<v Speaker 2>decision that rarely works.

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<v Speaker 1>Agree, disagree?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, I agree one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 10>No higher court is going to find that this judge

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<v Speaker 10>abused his discretion by not letting him out or by

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<v Speaker 10>not setting a bond.

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<v Speaker 9>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Chrispin joining me an investigator at Crispin Special investigations

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<v Speaker 2>former homicide and former vice detective Crispin.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>If the judge had granted Shawn Combs a bond and

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<v Speaker 2>appeal a bond.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, remember once.

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<v Speaker 2>He was arrested, Crispin, he was kept behind bars. He

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<v Speaker 2>did not have a bond right for a reason. He's

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<v Speaker 2>got money, and he squats right over by Teeterborough, the

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<v Speaker 2>private airport near New York. You know, if the judge

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<v Speaker 2>had given Shawn Combs an appeal bond, he'd goes straight

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<v Speaker 2>to Teeborough and take off, probably under an assumed name.

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<v Speaker 2>When you fly a private plane, you can give a

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<v Speaker 2>fake ID. Just it's not the same as going through

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<v Speaker 2>TSA at Hartsville International or LaGuardia or JFK No, where

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<v Speaker 2>they will frisk you and look in all your bags.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like that. At a private plane.

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<v Speaker 2>You kind of just walk on onto your private plane

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<v Speaker 2>that he has, have a glass of champagne and go

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<v Speaker 2>bye bye us, Hello Paris.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what happens, Crispin.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Actually, earlier, just before we came on, Nancy I

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<v Speaker 5>was trying to find out where his G five to

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<v Speaker 5>fifty was because we know that it was out in

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<v Speaker 5>La a couple of days ago. I was trying to

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<v Speaker 5>see if they had already got those guys up and running,

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<v Speaker 5>and that plane was coming eastbound, thinking he was going

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<v Speaker 5>to probably get out and dip out back out to

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<v Speaker 5>LA or back down here to Miami to where his

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<v Speaker 5>neighbors aren't certainly thrilled about him coming back. But doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>look like anytime soon he's going to be gracing his

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<v Speaker 5>presence with these guys. So I was trying to find

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<v Speaker 5>out where that jet was that I haven't found out yet.

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<v Speaker 5>But the verdict is just it's heartbreaking, and it's a

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<v Speaker 5>black eyed to the victims. It's terrible, horrible for any

0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:51.680
<v Speaker 5>of these victims that want to come forward or any

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 5>witness that wants to put their ass on the line,

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<v Speaker 5>raise your right hand and testify against somebody. When a

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<v Speaker 5>jury's going to find that guy not guilty. That's really

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<v Speaker 5>bad for these witnesses and victims. They know what's coming.

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<v Speaker 9>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>Look what just happened to our reporter as she was

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<v Speaker 5>leaving the courthouse. They were attacking her. This guy was

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<v Speaker 5>just found guilty of federal times.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'd like to point out Rob Shooter. What they

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<v Speaker 2>were saying to Tisa Tills.

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<v Speaker 4>Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>They were saying, we're going to do worse to you

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<v Speaker 2>than we did to Cassie Shooter.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's heart Breton did.

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<v Speaker 2>He has to be condoning this. He has been orchestrating

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<v Speaker 2>the crowd. He's been orchestrating everything.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Nancy, I think looking for Diddy to do the

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<v Speaker 6>right thing at this moment is unrealistic.

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<v Speaker 7>This is who he is. The whole world has seen

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<v Speaker 7>who he.

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<v Speaker 6>Is, and unfortunately, there's a large amount of people out

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<v Speaker 6>there who are just perfectly fine with this. Nobody can

0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:49.840
<v Speaker 6>pretend anymore that we don't know who did he is.

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:53.160
<v Speaker 6>We know we've seen him on tape. That tape will

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 6>exist forever. We've heard the testimonies, we've heard the accounts,

0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:01.520
<v Speaker 6>we've heard the details, we've seen them, and yet some

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:07.320
<v Speaker 6>people still support him. There's nothing we can do about that, Nancy.

0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 6>And to think that Diddy is going to stop it,

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.399
<v Speaker 6>that ain't going to happen. He's going to encourage it.

0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:15.399
<v Speaker 6>He wants people out that, he wants the violence, He

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:19.359
<v Speaker 6>wants people screaming. This to him is the party that

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 6>he always wanted to throw shape.

0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:26.199
<v Speaker 2>You know, Rob Shooter, everything you're saying can be transposed

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:32.120
<v Speaker 2>to him before he was arrested. You know, in every case,

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.679
<v Speaker 2>I've told you this before off air. I've seen a

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 2>million homicide scenes. I've been to the Morgue, I've seen

0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:41.640
<v Speaker 2>it all. But there's always a moment in a trial

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:45.840
<v Speaker 2>that just twists the knife is very disturbing. And in

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 2>this trial, there were two moments like that for me.

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 2>And one was in the Hotel Intercontinental video beat down

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 2>where she had already been beaten and she was backing

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 2>up and she tried to hold up She's right handed

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 2>was holding holding her mouth I think, with one hand,

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 2>the right hand and holding up her left hand against

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Sean Comb's like she could fight him off, okay. And

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 2>the the other moment was when she was getting beaten

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:22.959
<v Speaker 2>and she was down on the floor and Combs had

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 2>a glass, a liquor glass held up ready to throw

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 2>down at her face, and she said.

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Can't you see what's happening? And nobody did anything.

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 2>It's just like today in the courtroom. The jury didn't

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:44.360
<v Speaker 2>do anything.

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 7>They didn't they didn't answer. It's heartbreaking.

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:51.240
<v Speaker 6>People I know who have worked with him, who knew him,

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:55.200
<v Speaker 6>many of us are on a text exchange and they're

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:58.439
<v Speaker 6>heartbroken and a lot of people are really worried to

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 6>I don't want to keep hopping on about this, Nancy,

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 6>but this is a very dangerous man. This is a

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:08.479
<v Speaker 6>man who allegedly try to fire bomb the car of

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 6>somebody that was dating his girlfriend, his ex girlfriend. This

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:15.360
<v Speaker 6>is a dangerous, dangerous man. And what that jury has

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:19.320
<v Speaker 6>just done has said it doesn't matter. It's okay. You

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 6>keep being puffy, you keep being you, and we will

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.439
<v Speaker 6>support you. But let me just say, Nancy, we can't

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 6>just blame the jury here. We've got to blame the

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 6>person that did it. And that's did he did. He

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 6>is responsible for all this. Everything else is a red herring.

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 6>He's the problem and he will continue now to.

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:37.879
<v Speaker 7>Be a problem.

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Cheryl Ert, who is a clinical and forensic psychologist,

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 2>explain the effect this is going to have on not

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 2>only these victims that we heard on the stand, but

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 2>other victims everywhere.

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 11>Nancy, Once there is the threat of violence, that power

0:28:55.280 --> 0:29:00.240
<v Speaker 11>control tactic shapes everything that happens after that. We have

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 11>a jury who heard evidence about a tremendous amount of violence, threats,

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 11>threats of blackmail, videotaped assaults, that were maintaining the power

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 11>and control, and yet they didn't feel that they had

0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 11>enough evidence to be able to find that what was

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 11>happening there was not consensual. Trafficking has to do with force, fraud, coercion.

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 11>Consent is anything, but when somebody really scary makes you

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 11>an offer that you cannot refuse, that is not consent.

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 11>And what I think people are failing to understand about

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 11>the way that the even the threat of violence shapes

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 11>behavior is that when someone does not believe that they

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 11>can survive a threat by actually fighting back, they use fawning,

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 11>They use appeasing, they use the freeze response. They are

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 11>trying to placate the person who is scaring them. And

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 11>this man certainly has no shortage of people who were

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 11>really really right no of him, and still are.

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 12>And I think that these really normal autonomic nervous system

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 12>survival responses, fawning, appeasing, the freeze response, these are things

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 12>that need to be understood better by juris understood better

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 12>by the public, and even by survivors themselves.

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 2>You know, Rob Shooter, would you look one more time

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 2>at these celebrations going on outside the courthouse. Now we

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:31.479
<v Speaker 2>have gotten this from armand Wiggins and Sta He posted

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 2>it earlier today and this is after the split verdict

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 2>was announced.

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Take a look. Okay armand Wiggins on Instagram.

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 6>Thoughts, Nancy, I can tell you, as somebody who knows

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 6>puff those people standing outside that courts have never met him.

0:30:57.560 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 6>They've never been to his apartment, they've never been on

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 6>his prime it playing, they've never had a text or

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 6>an email or a.

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 7>Phone call with him. I have.

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 6>He doesn't care about any of those people, all those

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 6>people who have took their time their energy to go

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 6>and support this guy. Let me talk to them directly.

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 6>He does not care about you. If he can treat

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 6>his girlfriend Cassie the way that we've seen him treat

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 6>it on video, this is not testimony, this is video.

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 6>If he can treat someone who he's supposed to love

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 6>like that, how do you think he can treat you.

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 6>He doesn't care about you. You're wasting your energy on him,

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 6>and honestly, my friends, stop, he doesn't care. He's laughing

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 6>at these people outside that court, He's egging them on,

0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 6>but he doesn't care.

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, Rob Sheeter, you speak with so much conviction

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 2>and so much feeling, and that tells me that you

0:31:56.800 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 2>know something, something you haven't told me. Why do you

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 2>believe this? What did you observe to make you say

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 2>what you just said.

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 6>I've observed a really selfish person, Nancy. I've observed a

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:15.960
<v Speaker 6>person who doesn't have any shame, who has no sense

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 6>of pride, who has no sense of decency.

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 7>He's a really bad man, and.

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:26.959
<v Speaker 13>Through his career, through the media, through his products, he

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:30.040
<v Speaker 13>has managed to come us all, to kid us all

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 13>into believing he is somebody else.

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 6>Now, I hoped that day was coming to an end.

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 6>In fact, I could even tell you the day that

0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 6>I thought it was ending.

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 7>It was today.

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 6>I'm absolutely punched to my gut, to my stomach to

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 6>know that Puffy once again rises. Maybe not like a phoenix,

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 6>but justice does not feel as if it has been served.

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Do you know that people aren't flooding the Corehouse, the

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 2>judges chamber with letters please don't let him out.

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 1>We're afraid.

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:09.560
<v Speaker 2>From Cassie Ventura's lawyer to Deonte Nash, so many others

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 2>in fear, just like what you're saying. And we heard

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 2>earlier how this affects people. They saw what happened to

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Kid Cuddy, they saw what happened to Cassie and now

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 2>he's going to walk crime stories with Nancy Grace.

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Sydney Sumner.

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 2>I understand that during the hearing today, this is after

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 2>the split verdict, when everyone where I spray each other

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 2>with baby oil outside the courthouse and baying and yelling

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and celebrating. Comes goes back into the courtroom Sydney for

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 2>the hearing. Right the hearing on is there going to

0:33:58.120 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>be an appeal?

0:33:59.240 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 8>Bond?

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Comes going to walk out of the courthouse a freeman

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:08.880
<v Speaker 2>today during that hearing, Comes briefly tries to raise his

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:13.800
<v Speaker 2>hand to speak after the judge denies his request for release.

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:14.400
<v Speaker 4>Again.

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:19.080
<v Speaker 2>The judge seemed to ignore the move and instead asks

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 2>the US Assistant Attorney Marine Comy to respond, and she says, quote,

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:29.279
<v Speaker 2>he is extremely violent with an extraordinary temper, who has

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:35.600
<v Speaker 2>shown no remorse and no regret. And it makes me think, Sidney,

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.759
<v Speaker 2>about that fake apology. I'm gonna queue that up and

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:41.439
<v Speaker 2>play it for you in just a moment, said where

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:46.239
<v Speaker 2>he does all this apologizing after beating Cassie, but according

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 2>to what we learned in court and sworn testimony, he

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:54.880
<v Speaker 2>continued the violence after the apology video. That's what she said,

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 2>no remorse and no regret at all.

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, this is definitely what the judge and prosecutors are thinking.

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:09.840
<v Speaker 9>Comy referenced the violent incident with Jane Mister colmbs knew

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 9>he was already under investigation. The judge referenced the multiple

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:19.560
<v Speaker 9>instances of Colme's trying to reach out to potential witnesses,

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:23.359
<v Speaker 9>trying to sway their opinions of what they might tell

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:27.720
<v Speaker 9>investigators after this investigation began, when Colmes was well aware

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 9>it was underway. Judge Supermonian also referenced Mark Agnaphillo's own

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 9>closing arguments. You full throwther feet told the jury that

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 9>there was violence, domestic violence in all of Colme's relationships.

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:44.880
<v Speaker 9>Y'all own that, and it may have helped on some

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 9>of these charges. It may have helped with the guilty

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 9>not guilty verdict, but it is definitely coming back to

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 9>bite him now, straight out to Lanshaw.

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.040
<v Speaker 1>This also happened in the proceedings.

0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:02.240
<v Speaker 2>This is after tried to raise his hand to address

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 2>the judge directly during the arguments, and this is after

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 2>the split verdict when everybody was celebrating outside. Now comes

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.759
<v Speaker 2>the appeal bond, where the judge is going to decide

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:16.360
<v Speaker 2>will comes walk free tonight?

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:17.240
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 2>The judge looks over at the defense and he says,

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:24.720
<v Speaker 2>as Sidney just reported.

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Quote you full throatedly.

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:30.919
<v Speaker 2>I've never even heard anybody use that phrase, but he did.

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.760
<v Speaker 2>You full throatedly, in your closing argument told the jury

0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:41.400
<v Speaker 2>there was violence, and domestic violence is violence. You said

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 2>this was the case that did have violence. This is

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:48.280
<v Speaker 2>the judge talking to Combs as to the basic question

0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:49.400
<v Speaker 2>of violence.

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 1>You conceded that in your closing argument.

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:56.759
<v Speaker 2>Now throughout this comes this furiously passing notes back and

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.319
<v Speaker 2>forth to Agniffilo, who was trying to stand there and

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:01.720
<v Speaker 2>argue and read all of Shawn comes his notes.

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:10.319
<v Speaker 1>Wait for it, land Shaw. Magnifilo responds, I.

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:11.799
<v Speaker 2>Just think we should trust him.

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:16.920
<v Speaker 1>He's not gonna flee. He just deserves a chance.

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 8>Lann, please let us all get off this dirty diddy,

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:25.440
<v Speaker 8>degenerate merry garround that we're all on. How dare that lawyer?

0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 8>How dare he? He's got a wife, he's got a daughter.

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 8>I believe he's got sisters, a mother, talk like this

0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 8>violence is violence? Trust him. We have seen everything to

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:41.239
<v Speaker 8>the contrary, including video evidence of Cassie being beaten. How

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 8>much more do we need? This goes back to this

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:47.320
<v Speaker 8>is one of the worst days here at the Warriors

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 8>to have all of this video, to hear the way

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:55.439
<v Speaker 8>they're talking about victims. Trust him, trust him. There's no

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:58.120
<v Speaker 8>way anybody should trust him. I'm here in New York

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:01.360
<v Speaker 8>City and Rob Shooter's correct. We've got these dirty Diddy

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:04.560
<v Speaker 8>disciples running around. People should be in fear of this guy.

0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 8>But that brings me to how does he get away

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 8>with all of this for decades? What about the victims

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:13.440
<v Speaker 8>that I've been up for forty eight hours now, counseling, helping,

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 8>giving out phone numbers, resources, Come stay with me if

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.000
<v Speaker 8>you don't want to be alone. What a slap in

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:23.440
<v Speaker 8>the face today to all of these victim survivors of

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:26.799
<v Speaker 8>any kind of sexual abuse. And you know what, this

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 8>is the problem with sex trafficking. Nobody I'm a broken record.

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 8>Nobody understands it. Nobody understands what force for coersion. Nobody

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:38.239
<v Speaker 8>understands coersion, And you know what, it is time we

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 8>change it up. But this is a travesty today. What

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 8>a slap in everybody's face.

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Sean comes goes to jail, tonight split verdict not guilty

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:53.000
<v Speaker 2>on Rico, not guilty on two counts of sex trafficking,

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:58.880
<v Speaker 2>guilty on two counts bringing people across state lines to

0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 2>engage in an illegal as activity, that being prostitution as

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 2>it relates to Cassie Ventura a victim, and Jane not

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 2>her real name a victim. To Robert Crispin joining me

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 2>PI but former beat coop, former special investigator with the

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Federal Task Force for the US Department of Justice, and

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:27.360
<v Speaker 2>on and on, Robert Crispin, have you ever been in

0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 2>a case where the bad guy walks?

0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 5>Oh? My god, Nancy, this brought back. This brought back

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:35.040
<v Speaker 5>such a memory of a guy who was leaning over

0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:39.760
<v Speaker 5>the balcony holding two kilos of cocaine in a CBS bag,

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.840
<v Speaker 5>getting ready to drop it on the floor because the

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 5>Feds were knocking on the front door and I was

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 5>covering the back door, and he dropped it, and I

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:50.200
<v Speaker 5>got it, and I id'ed him, and we went to

0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:54.440
<v Speaker 5>the jury and the jury found him not guilty when me,

0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:58.680
<v Speaker 5>as the Federal dea Drug agent, watched him drop that bag.

0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 5>And you know why, Nancy, because juries are so unpredictable.

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:07.400
<v Speaker 5>You know why we didn't pull his DNA off the bag,

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:10.600
<v Speaker 5>but I watched him. I watched him drop those kilos

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<v Speaker 5>of cocaine out of the ground. These juries have a

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<v Speaker 5>mind of their own.

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<v Speaker 2>I know how that must have felt, Shane. And the

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<v Speaker 2>thing is, this is a violent crime. Philip debay from

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<v Speaker 2>what the judge was saying when Shawn comes raised his

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<v Speaker 2>hand trying to speak to the judge while Agniffolo was arguing,

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<v Speaker 2>the judge acting like he didn't even see him. The

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<v Speaker 2>judge did note the wide divergence between what the state

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<v Speaker 2>wants his sentencing and what the defense wants is sentencing,

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<v Speaker 2>But hearing what the judge said, the judge can't just

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<v Speaker 2>erase from his mind what he saw on the Cassie

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<v Speaker 2>beat down video. He cannot erase from his mind what

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<v Speaker 2>the victim said on the stand.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's going to be a light sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course I thought he was going to get

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<v Speaker 2>convicted today too, on all accounts. Be honest, take off

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<v Speaker 2>your defense hat. Where do you think this is going?

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<v Speaker 2>What will be the sentence?

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<v Speaker 10>Three to five years because he has no record and Nancy,

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<v Speaker 10>make no mistake about it. The violation of the man

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<v Speaker 10>active beast as charge is not a violent crime. It

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<v Speaker 10>simply is not. It doesn't mean that it's not a crime,

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<v Speaker 10>it's just not.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, debate, it's a fact debate. It's based debate, prostitute.

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<v Speaker 1>Save it to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I saw the bruises on Cassie, I saw the

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<v Speaker 2>fat lip, I saw the gash in her face, on

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<v Speaker 2>her head that needed plastic surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't tell me what I didn't see debate At.

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<v Speaker 2>This hour, Shawn Combe's defense attorneys arguing for sentencing.

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<v Speaker 1>Sooner.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they headed straight to the White House to get

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<v Speaker 2>a full on pardon. We don't know, but at this

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<v Speaker 2>hour Shawn Combs, at least for tonight, is behind bars,

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<v Speaker 2>and now we hear at crime stories. Salute American heroes,

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<v Speaker 2>Heroes that dare to come forward, heroes that against all odds,

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<v Speaker 2>take the stand and try, even in the face of defeat,

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<v Speaker 2>and to prosecutors, they go into the courtroom against all odds,

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<v Speaker 2>and they try, and when they win, they're mocked, and

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<v Speaker 2>when they lose, they're mocked, and they get up the

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<v Speaker 2>next day to fight again. To all of you American heroes,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, and good night.