1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: Breaking news Tonight, Diddy goes to jail after exuberant celebrations 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: outside the courthouse with Dinny fans dousing each other with 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: baby oil. Of course, now a somber tone as Sean 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: Combs heads to jail. I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories. 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us. After 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: a split verdict earlier in the day, where Shawn Combs 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: is acquitted of rico, two other counts come into play. 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: Shawn Comb's convicted on two felony counts. There was a 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: massive argument via paper to keep Shawn Combs behind bars, 11 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: the defense fighting tooth and nail to let him out 12 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: on appeal bond, which means you get out while your 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: conviction is being appear joining me right now Tisa Tales. 14 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: You can find her on YouTube at Tisa Tales. Tisa 15 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: start at the beginning, Start with the verdict, the split. 16 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 3: What happened when the jury walked in, everybody was on 17 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: pins and needles. 18 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 3: Everybody in the courtroom expected him to be guilty on 20 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: at least the sex trafficking. There was a somber tone. 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 3: They walked in and when they. 22 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 4: Said please read, and they said, what do you find ye? 23 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: On count one? 24 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 3: Not guilty? It was a bomb that went off in 25 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 3: the courtroom. The public audibly gassed. Nobody was expecting that. 26 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: There were tears of joy from Ditty's side. 27 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 4: Count two, what say ye not guilty? Again? 28 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: Another bombshell went off. People were in utter disbelief. Any 29 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: even Ditty's most ardent supporters, did not expect him to 30 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 3: get off on the count of sex trafficking with Cassie. 31 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: Count three when they said guilty for transportation of a prostitute, 32 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: When they said guilty for the manna, that is when 33 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: did He's team actually cheered, Yeah, that's all right, okay, okay, 34 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: come on, almost like we were watching a pro football game. 35 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: When the other ones came in after that, there were 36 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: jaws on the ground. It was unbelievable. People were looking 37 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 3: at the jury, searching and to how they can get 38 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: a verdict in this day and age. They heard Cassie's mother, 39 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: the twenty thousand, they heard Capricorn Clark, they heard about 40 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: the savage beatings, and it was unbelievable that the only 41 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 3: thing they said was prostitution. 42 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 4: And that is because Daniel. 43 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 3: Phillips in his testimony actually said, at least I'm guessing 44 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 3: that it was because that he got paid to have 45 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: sex for money. 46 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 4: It was a travesty. It was an all out circus. 47 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: Everybody, including myself, are running to safety. 48 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: I got a question for your tast of tales, and 49 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: everyone's going to want to know this. You're in a 50 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 2: car right now. You had to leave the courthouse. 51 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 3: Why I had to leave the courthouse because Diddy's supporters 52 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: were out of control. 53 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 4: The first time I ran and dipped my live. 54 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 3: Of course, I had two armed security guys. Everyone told 55 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: me the people in the courthouse is like, make sure 56 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: you have security. 57 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 4: There's a lot of weird stuff going on. It wasn't 58 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 4: just me, but I'll tell you what I experienced. 59 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: Diddy's support is surrounding me, threatening me, saying that they 60 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: were going to hurt me. It was a serious situation. 61 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: It got so bad and there was so much chaos 62 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 3: of chaos and violence that they actually had to lock 63 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: the courtroom down and force the Diddy supporters across the street. 64 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: It was something myself, the news media, mainstream media, new 65 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 3: media have never seen in their lives. 66 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 4: The level and again the jurors. 67 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: I hope to God they know how to sleep night, because. 68 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: Again I'm sure they did their duty. 69 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: But when all that cast was happening, as I was 70 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: being threatened and ushered out by armed security people, I thought, 71 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 3: this is what the jury did. 72 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 4: They sent a signal that it is okay to use. 73 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 3: Violence, It's okay to drug people up, it's okay to 74 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: live a life of debauchery. It's okay to do whatever 75 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: you want. Because guess what if you work hard enough, 76 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,239 Speaker 3: and you have enough money and enough de losional fans, 77 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: and you have engrained yourself in culture enough that you 78 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: can do whatever you want, and twelve of your peers 79 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 3: will look the other way. 80 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 4: Again, this jury was shocking. 81 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: Taste of tales. 82 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 2: When you say that Shawonkhim's supporters threatened you, what were 83 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: they saying? 84 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 4: They were saying you B you F and B were 85 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 4: going to kill you? You F and B. You worked. 86 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 3: Apparently I worked for the fans. You're a plant. You 87 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: make this all up because of you. Again, they're not 88 00:04:58,680 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 3: too smart. 89 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 4: Because of you. 90 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 3: That's how this case got started. We're gonna treat you 91 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 3: worse than we treated Cassie. 92 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 4: Cassie, what we do. 93 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 3: To you, it's gonna be nothing that they had on Cassie. 94 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 3: They were screaming, they were yelling. Some people were saying, 95 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 3: apologize the Diddy, apologize the Ditty. Of course, thank goodness. 96 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 3: We had Lenny and we had Jimmy, two of the 97 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: best arm guards out there. So the one thing is 98 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 3: they and also they started foaming like wild dogs because 99 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 3: they realized that I was not an unprotected woman, and 100 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: they realized they could not just do what they felt like, 101 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: And they started foaming like wild dogs, screaming, their voices 102 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: cracking in anger that they ricially wanted to rip me apart. 103 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 4: This is why their hero had been exonerated. 104 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: Even in the best of times, these people that support him, 105 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: there's something wrong with it. 106 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 4: And I gotta tell you, Nancy, it wasn't just me. 107 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: It was not just me. 108 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,559 Speaker 3: It was anybody that didn't have a pro Diddy stamp 109 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: from the beginning. 110 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: That's who stuffed joining me an all star panel. But 111 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 2: I want to thank Tisa Tales for what she's doing tonight. 112 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: You know, Rob Shooter is joining me. 113 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 5: Rob. 114 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: I really don't know where to start. This is a blow. 115 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: This is a huge blow to crime victims all over 116 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: the country. Huge blow. The big news is right now, 117 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: Sean Combs is going to jail. Okay, He's going to jail. 118 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: I was actually worried that somehow. 119 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: The judge would contriveting the law. 120 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: And the law is under the Bell Reform Act that 121 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: for these two charges on which he was convicted he 122 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: has to go to jail. 123 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: There is no appeal bond period. 124 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: But I was so concerned that the judge would somehow 125 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 2: find a way to let him walk. 126 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: And all this time, Shooter. 127 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: We've been hearing. I've got all these letters here. Here's 128 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: one from Deontay Nash in fear. In fear talking about 129 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: Combs is long documented history a violent retaliatory behavior. 130 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 1: They're afraid. Rob Shooter. 131 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: Guys, Shooter knows comes better than any of us. His 132 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: longtime publicists no more. But now you can find him 133 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: at his substack Robshooter dot substack dot com and not 134 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: Ey but Nice podcast. 135 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: Shooter. 136 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: I got to tell you, it's like a kick in 137 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: the stomach when that split verdict came down. 138 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think everybody was done before. Before I continue, then, Nancy, 139 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 6: I just want to send my best to Tisha. What 140 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 6: happened to her outside that courthouse is horrific. It's wrong, 141 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 6: and I'm afraid these people now have been emboldened because 142 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 6: their hero, their idol, Diddy looks like he is going 143 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 6: to walk free. 144 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 7: So this morning, when we heard the judgment, I think we. 145 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 6: Were all shell shocked, we were all heartbroken, we all 146 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 6: felt like we'd been kicked in the stomach. However, as 147 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 6: the day has gone on, we do have to remember, 148 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 6: Nancy that he has been found guilty of two. 149 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 7: Very serious charges. 150 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 6: If any other celebrity had been charged with those two charges, 151 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 6: those alone and being found guilty, we would be done 152 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 6: with them. So the celebration from Team Diddy, the disappointment 153 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 6: from people who've been watching this as closely as we have, 154 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 6: I think we can take a step back both sides 155 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 6: and realize that this is not a good day for Diddy. 156 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 6: He is now a federal criminal, is in jail tonight, 157 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 6: He's going to remain there until he is sentenced, and 158 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 6: so at least take some solace in that. 159 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: You know, Rob Shooter, I've been getting flooded by crime victims, 160 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 2: rape victims from all walks of life. 161 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: There are upset. 162 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: They don't really sound mad, yet they're devastated, They're sad, 163 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: they can't believe this has happened. I've been already subjected 164 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: to a lot of attacks, verbal attacks, and nothing like 165 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: what Tisa tells has been subjected to already. But I 166 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: give the credit to the prosecutors for going in there. 167 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,359 Speaker 2: And I truly believe this was a David and Goliath, 168 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: and they went in against one of the highest profile 169 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: personalities in our country, Sean Comes, who many people think 170 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: that they know and they love him, and for some reason, 171 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: that blinded them, that drowned out everything that three sex 172 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: attack victims said. 173 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: And one had the video? What had the video? I 174 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 1: just I don't get it. 175 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: Rob Sheeter, give me some insight and to how Sean 176 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: Comes got a split vertic. But yes, you're right, he 177 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 2: is going to jail on two felonies, two felonies. That's 178 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: a victory that Sean Comes is going to jail. 179 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a victory. 180 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 6: We have to hang on for that, Nancy, because in 181 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 6: this moment, in this hour, it's not a lot of hope. 182 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 7: Everything seems so bad. 183 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 6: We have let down not just the people in this case, 184 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 6: but victims around the world. Did he now will be 185 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 6: empowered this is not the end of the story, Nancy. 186 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 6: When he gets out of jail, if he gets out 187 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 6: of jail, his behavior will not change because he thinks 188 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 6: he has. 189 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 7: Gotten away with it. Again. If you enable. 190 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 6: Someone, Nancy, they do not change. So mark my words, Nancy, 191 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 6: this is not the end of the did he story. 192 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 6: It's the end of a very very sad chapter. And 193 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 6: I think we've let a lot of people down. And 194 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 6: as far as being concerned about safety, I just broke 195 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 6: reporting that Cassie has now increased her security. Cassie in 196 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 6: New York, her home now has security increased. And I 197 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 6: think a lot of other people, courageous people who came 198 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 6: forward assistance, people that worked with Diddy came forward and testified. 199 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 6: They're very vulnerable and they are very, very scared right now. 200 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: Lynn Shaw joining me, Founder and director Lynn's Warriors, dedicated 201 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: to ending sex trafficking and sex abuse on girls and women. 202 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 2: When I learned about the split verdict, I was speechless. 203 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. 204 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: But it's happened. 205 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: So what do you want the prosecutors to do? Go 206 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 2: home and hide under the bed. Should they have just 207 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 2: never even brought the case? They did it because they 208 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: believed it, and I still do believe it. 209 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: Lynn. 210 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: I believe Cassie Ventira was coerced and beaten into having 211 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: sex with male sex workers. 212 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: That's sex trafficking. I believe her. 213 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 8: I believe Cassie. I believe Jane. I believe sex trafficking. 214 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 8: This is a sober reflection today on everything I've been 215 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 8: talking about for about eight weeks now with this trial 216 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 8: that the public and I'm going to say the jurors, okay, 217 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 8: do not understand predation power, what sex trafficking is. And 218 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 8: a reminder again, this case was not just about one man. 219 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 8: This case was about all of the victims across the 220 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 8: country the world whose voices have been silenced because they 221 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 8: don't come forward because the justice system usually picks power, wealth, 222 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 8: status over believing their truths. But I want to point out, 223 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 8: as the day enrolled, there is hope. I've spent all 224 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 8: day coaching people, talking people, fielding text messages, and I 225 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 8: want to say, you know what, these victims that reach 226 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 8: out to me, Nancy, they're not even angry, you know 227 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 8: what they keep saying. Please, Lynn, please remind everybody we're victims. 228 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 8: Please remind everybody we have a voice. Please, remind everybody 229 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 8: we are here, and that goes back to I have 230 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 8: to do. We have to do in society a better 231 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 8: job of educating about sex, trafficking, about trauma, bonding, trauma, 232 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 8: what predation really looks like. This is the most frightening 233 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 8: thing to empower this. Sean Combs and I just want 234 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 8: to make the commitment that we will work very hard 235 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 8: to continue reforming, raising awareness and working with the justice system. 236 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: Straight back out to Tisa Tales, who has made it 237 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: to a safe location, Tisa Tales. I want to talk 238 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: about what happened when the split verdict was announced in 239 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: the courtroom, and then I want to move to the 240 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: appeal bond hearing. Let's start with the split verdict. Take 241 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: it from the very beginning. 242 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 3: The split verdict, from the very beginning. When you heard 243 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: count one not guilty, a bomb went off in the courtroom. 244 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 4: Not guilty. No one could believe it. 245 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: Song Diddy's calm side even looked around as if they 246 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 3: hadn't heard correctly. No one thought that the jury would actually. 247 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: Go this far. 248 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 3: Everybody thought that the delay meant that he was actually guilty. 249 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: When the second count was read again, jawls dropped open. 250 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 4: Did he leaned back in relief, raised his hands. The 251 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 4: defense team was. 252 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 3: Like, yes, I get it. They literally pulled a magic act. Okay, 253 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: they literally pulled a magic act. His team, his side, 254 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: started celebrating, started saying yeah, when we heard the third count, 255 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 3: guilty for the prostitution, okay, everyone on his side it 256 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: was like. 257 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 4: That's okay, that's okay. 258 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: They were clapping, almost like they were watching a football game. 259 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 3: When they first came out with the verdict. The prosecution 260 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: was doing what they were doing. They were looking straight 261 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 3: and it's a job, I would assume, to look like 262 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 3: they always have it under control. By the time they 263 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: got to the third count, Marine called me looked over 264 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: at the jury in disbelief. 265 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 4: Literally again, she's always. 266 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: Very composed, but even for her to finally look over 267 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: at the jury on some are you kidding me? And 268 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 3: she just kept looking at the jury as they read 269 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: the counts. Again, I know the jury did their best, 270 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: but I cannot feel that justice was served. How can 271 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 3: you forget the vicious beatings, How can you forget the 272 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: twenty k the mom had to wire and order for 273 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: two freak off tapes not to be released. 274 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 4: Okay, that's what she thought. When she wired it. 275 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 3: How can you forget what happened to Bonna being hung 276 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: over balcony. 277 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 4: She might have got the date wrong by a few 278 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 4: days days, but the point is it happened. 279 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 3: How you can forget Deontay Nash and the best friend 280 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: Carrie who got a hangar to the head and saw 281 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 3: Cassie get impiled driven into the corner of a bed 282 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: on purpose. How can you forget all that and come 283 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 3: back and say, you know what, we don't see anything 284 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: criminal here again. We can argue about the procesxcuse prostitution 285 00:15:58,600 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 3: got ditty. 286 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 4: On the head. We can argue about the prosecution what 287 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 4: they could. 288 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: Have did better, But the fact that the jury chose 289 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: to overlook all that. It brought me back to what 290 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 3: Rob Shooter said weeks ago when I first started joining you, Nacy, 291 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 3: that people get starstrucked and they want some of that magic. 292 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 4: And it makes me wonder were they starstruck? 293 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 3: Were they feeling sorry and trying to protect a legacy 294 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 3: for someone that hit their depravity and their evil ways 295 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 3: behind it. 296 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 4: It makes you. 297 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: Wonder Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 298 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: Bombshell Tonight, Sean Comes aka Diddy goes to jail, that's right. 299 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: After a last ditch bid at an appeal bond, he 300 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: was denied and is going to jail right now as 301 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: we speak, Joining Man All Star Panel. 302 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: Back to Tasa Tails joining us. She had to be. 303 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 2: Escorted by armed guards out of the courthouse and leave 304 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: the scene after she was mobbed by Diddy fans. Explain 305 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: to me what was happening outside the courthouse. I understand 306 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 2: that was the split verdict was announced. The Diddy followers, 307 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: the Diddy worshippers went cray outside the courthouse, actually dousing 308 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 2: each other with baby oil and chanting. 309 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 4: They formed the circle. It looked like a mush pit 310 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 4: of depravity. 311 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 3: They were spraying baby oil on each other, jumping around, 312 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 3: feeling fantastic. One woman and a pair of Calvin kleinb 313 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 3: briefs and agra started jumping up and down, wiggling why 314 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 3: they sat there spraying baby on her, and the crowd. 315 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 4: Was channing yay, yay, yay go and. 316 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 3: Hyping them up. It was a monstrous bowl of party depravity. 317 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 3: When I say, I was sickened. When I say, I 318 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 3: shook my head. And when I said, these are the peers, 319 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 3: these are the jury of the peers, And it makes 320 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 3: me wonder. 321 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 4: As a jury goes home and they look at the television. 322 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 3: Sets and they see what their decision costs and what 323 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 3: was on the line, it makes me wonder how can they. 324 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 4: Sleep at night? 325 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: It was absolute pandemonia in between the jumping up and 326 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 3: down with the baby oil woman willingly baby oil being 327 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 3: squirted on them, and everybody laughing and having a time 328 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 3: like Christmas had just come with Santa and the twelve 329 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: perverted Elves. What happened after that was even more amazing 330 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 3: because while that was going on, there were little fires 331 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 3: everywhere of these bands of I don't know if they're 332 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 3: in cels, if they're idiots, what was going on looking 333 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 3: for anybody they had ever saw make anti Ditty contests, 334 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 3: And by anti Diddy, according to Thelm, it is pro justice. 335 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 3: They were going out their ways to make sure. 336 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 4: That everybody paid. 337 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 3: And again I said, this is what that jury costs us, 338 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 3: and let us know. 339 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 4: It's sent a message. 340 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 3: It's okay to be depraved, it's okay to beat women, 341 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 3: it's okay to do drugs, it's okay to do whatever 342 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 3: you want. And that jury, that jury, when they gave 343 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 3: the verdict, signals that again I'm still coming to terms 344 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 3: with how. 345 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 4: The jury got to this. 346 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 3: Thank god, this man was denied bail, Thank god. 347 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: Straight out to Sidney Sunray joining US Crime Stories investigative 348 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: reporter on the case from the very beginning. Break down 349 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: the counts for me, said. 350 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 9: Nancy, how one is that racketeering, rico conspiracy. Combs was 351 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 9: found not guilty on count one, Count two, three, four, 352 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 9: and five are those sex trafficking and transportation to engage 353 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 9: in prostitution charges. So there was one count each for 354 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 9: Casey and Jane on both of those charges. So the 355 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 9: jury found that Combs was liable for both transportation to 356 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 9: engage in prostitution charges and not guilty see on sex 357 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 9: trafficking for either Jane or Cassie. 358 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: Straight out to Philip Debate, joining US veteran trial lawyer, 359 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 2: joining US out of the LA jurisdiction. So Debate, this 360 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 2: is the breakdown. Count one racketeering not guilty. Count two 361 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 2: sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion as it relates 362 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,719 Speaker 2: to Cassie Ventira. You know the woman that was beaten 363 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: in that video and dragged back to a freak off 364 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 2: her the one that had to get plastic surgery on 365 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: her face after Didd he beat her up. That one, 366 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: that's a not guilty. Count three transportation to engage in 367 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: prostitution as it relates to Cassie. Guilty that carries a 368 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: maximum of ten years, and that comes, I believe from 369 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 2: the sex worker who came in Philip and described Sean 370 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 2: Combs wearing a burka from the chin up and make 371 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 2: it from the chin down and had him have sex 372 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: with Cassie on video and directed them that was across 373 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 2: state lines. So gilty on that count four. Sex trafficking 374 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 2: by force, fraud, oft coercion as it relates to Jane victim. 375 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: Two not guilty. 376 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: Count five transportation to engage in prostitution as it relates 377 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: to Jane. 378 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: Guilty. 379 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: So we got two guilties, three not guilties, split verdict. 380 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 2: So there was great jubilation at first when Diddy followers 381 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: heard split. They heard the words not guilty on count 382 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: one and went crazy, What do you think is going 383 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: to happen now, Philip? 384 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 10: I think he's going to get three to five years 385 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 10: for the transportation for prostitution. He has no criminal record whatsoever. 386 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 10: He was exonerated at the RICO charge. He was exonerated 387 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 10: of the basically the sex trafficking charges, which really were 388 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 10: the top counts, and the jury really cut him a 389 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 10: brake on those charges. The max or transportation is ten years. 390 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 10: But given the fact that he really has no criminal convictions, I'm. 391 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: Telling you he really could ideally. 392 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 10: Be a candidate four prof. When the court denied his 393 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 10: request for bail, he was really telegraphing to John Ditty 394 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 10: defense counsel and the world that he will be getting 395 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 10: prison time. There's no question, right. 396 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: Another thing debate. Let's get real. 397 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: It's really rare in federal and state court that once 398 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: you're convicted and a jury convicts you on a violent offence, 399 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: that you get an appeal bond, which means, okay, judge, 400 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: I know he just got convicted, but could you please 401 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: let him walk free now until we take this all 402 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 2: the way up to the appellate court and get a 403 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 2: decision that rarely works. 404 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: Agree, disagree? 405 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 7: Oh, I agree one hundred percent. 406 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 10: No higher court is going to find that this judge 407 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 10: abused his discretion by not letting him out or by 408 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 10: not setting a bond. 409 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 9: You know. 410 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: Robert Chrispin joining me an investigator at Crispin Special investigations 411 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 2: former homicide and former vice detective Crispin. 412 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: Here's the deal. 413 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 2: If the judge had granted Shawn Combs a bond and 414 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 2: appeal a bond. 415 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: Now, remember once. 416 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 2: He was arrested, Crispin, he was kept behind bars. He 417 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 2: did not have a bond right for a reason. He's 418 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: got money, and he squats right over by Teeterborough, the 419 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,959 Speaker 2: private airport near New York. You know, if the judge 420 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 2: had given Shawn Combs an appeal bond, he'd goes straight 421 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: to Teeborough and take off, probably under an assumed name. 422 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: When you fly a private plane, you can give a 423 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 2: fake ID. Just it's not the same as going through 424 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 2: TSA at Hartsville International or LaGuardia or JFK No, where 425 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: they will frisk you and look in all your bags. 426 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: It's not like that. At a private plane. 427 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 2: You kind of just walk on onto your private plane 428 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: that he has, have a glass of champagne and go 429 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: bye bye us, Hello Paris. 430 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: That's what happens, Crispin. 431 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 5: Yeah. Actually, earlier, just before we came on, Nancy I 432 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 5: was trying to find out where his G five to 433 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 5: fifty was because we know that it was out in 434 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 5: La a couple of days ago. I was trying to 435 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 5: see if they had already got those guys up and running, 436 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,959 Speaker 5: and that plane was coming eastbound, thinking he was going 437 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 5: to probably get out and dip out back out to 438 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,239 Speaker 5: LA or back down here to Miami to where his 439 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 5: neighbors aren't certainly thrilled about him coming back. But doesn't 440 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 5: look like anytime soon he's going to be gracing his 441 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 5: presence with these guys. So I was trying to find 442 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 5: out where that jet was that I haven't found out yet. 443 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 5: But the verdict is just it's heartbreaking, and it's a 444 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 5: black eyed to the victims. It's terrible, horrible for any 445 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 5: of these victims that want to come forward or any 446 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 5: witness that wants to put their ass on the line, 447 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 5: raise your right hand and testify against somebody. When a 448 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 5: jury's going to find that guy not guilty. That's really 449 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 5: bad for these witnesses and victims. They know what's coming. 450 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 9: Now. 451 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 5: Look what just happened to our reporter as she was 452 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 5: leaving the courthouse. They were attacking her. This guy was 453 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 5: just found guilty of federal times. 454 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: And I'd like to point out Rob Shooter. What they 455 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: were saying to Tisa Tills. 456 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 4: Rob. 457 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 2: They were saying, we're going to do worse to you 458 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 2: than we did to Cassie Shooter. 459 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 7: I mean, it's heart Breton did. 460 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: He has to be condoning this. He has been orchestrating 461 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: the crowd. He's been orchestrating everything. 462 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, Nancy, I think looking for Diddy to do the 463 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 6: right thing at this moment is unrealistic. 464 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 7: This is who he is. The whole world has seen 465 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 7: who he. 466 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 6: Is, and unfortunately, there's a large amount of people out 467 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 6: there who are just perfectly fine with this. Nobody can 468 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 6: pretend anymore that we don't know who did he is. 469 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 6: We know we've seen him on tape. That tape will 470 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 6: exist forever. We've heard the testimonies, we've heard the accounts, 471 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 6: we've heard the details, we've seen them, and yet some 472 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 6: people still support him. There's nothing we can do about that, Nancy. 473 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 6: And to think that Diddy is going to stop it, 474 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 6: that ain't going to happen. He's going to encourage it. 475 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 6: He wants people out that, he wants the violence, He 476 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 6: wants people screaming. This to him is the party that 477 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 6: he always wanted to throw shape. 478 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 2: You know, Rob Shooter, everything you're saying can be transposed 479 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 2: to him before he was arrested. You know, in every case, 480 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 2: I've told you this before off air. I've seen a 481 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 2: million homicide scenes. I've been to the Morgue, I've seen 482 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 2: it all. But there's always a moment in a trial 483 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: that just twists the knife is very disturbing. And in 484 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: this trial, there were two moments like that for me. 485 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: And one was in the Hotel Intercontinental video beat down 486 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: where she had already been beaten and she was backing 487 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: up and she tried to hold up She's right handed 488 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: was holding holding her mouth I think, with one hand, 489 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: the right hand and holding up her left hand against 490 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: Sean Comb's like she could fight him off, okay. And 491 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 2: the the other moment was when she was getting beaten 492 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 2: and she was down on the floor and Combs had 493 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: a glass, a liquor glass held up ready to throw 494 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 2: down at her face, and she said. 495 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: Can't you see what's happening? And nobody did anything. 496 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 2: It's just like today in the courtroom. The jury didn't 497 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 2: do anything. 498 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 7: They didn't they didn't answer. It's heartbreaking. 499 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 6: People I know who have worked with him, who knew him, 500 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 6: many of us are on a text exchange and they're 501 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 6: heartbroken and a lot of people are really worried to 502 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 6: I don't want to keep hopping on about this, Nancy, 503 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 6: but this is a very dangerous man. This is a 504 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,479 Speaker 6: man who allegedly try to fire bomb the car of 505 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 6: somebody that was dating his girlfriend, his ex girlfriend. This 506 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 6: is a dangerous, dangerous man. And what that jury has 507 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 6: just done has said it doesn't matter. It's okay. You 508 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 6: keep being puffy, you keep being you, and we will 509 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 6: support you. But let me just say, Nancy, we can't 510 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 6: just blame the jury here. We've got to blame the 511 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 6: person that did it. And that's did he did. He 512 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 6: is responsible for all this. Everything else is a red herring. 513 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 6: He's the problem and he will continue now to. 514 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 7: Be a problem. 515 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: Doctor Cheryl Ert, who is a clinical and forensic psychologist, 516 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 2: explain the effect this is going to have on not 517 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 2: only these victims that we heard on the stand, but 518 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: other victims everywhere. 519 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 11: Nancy, Once there is the threat of violence, that power 520 00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 11: control tactic shapes everything that happens after that. We have 521 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 11: a jury who heard evidence about a tremendous amount of violence, threats, 522 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 11: threats of blackmail, videotaped assaults, that were maintaining the power 523 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 11: and control, and yet they didn't feel that they had 524 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 11: enough evidence to be able to find that what was 525 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 11: happening there was not consensual. Trafficking has to do with force, fraud, coercion. 526 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 11: Consent is anything, but when somebody really scary makes you 527 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 11: an offer that you cannot refuse, that is not consent. 528 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 11: And what I think people are failing to understand about 529 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 11: the way that the even the threat of violence shapes 530 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 11: behavior is that when someone does not believe that they 531 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 11: can survive a threat by actually fighting back, they use fawning, 532 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 11: They use appeasing, they use the freeze response. They are 533 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 11: trying to placate the person who is scaring them. And 534 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 11: this man certainly has no shortage of people who were 535 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 11: really really right no of him, and still are. 536 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 12: And I think that these really normal autonomic nervous system 537 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 12: survival responses, fawning, appeasing, the freeze response, these are things 538 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 12: that need to be understood better by juris understood better 539 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 12: by the public, and even by survivors themselves. 540 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 2: You know, Rob Shooter, would you look one more time 541 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: at these celebrations going on outside the courthouse. Now we 542 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,479 Speaker 2: have gotten this from armand Wiggins and Sta He posted 543 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: it earlier today and this is after the split verdict 544 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 2: was announced. 545 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: Take a look. Okay armand Wiggins on Instagram. 546 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 6: Thoughts, Nancy, I can tell you, as somebody who knows 547 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 6: puff those people standing outside that courts have never met him. 548 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 6: They've never been to his apartment, they've never been on 549 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 6: his prime it playing, they've never had a text or 550 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 6: an email or a. 551 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 7: Phone call with him. I have. 552 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 6: He doesn't care about any of those people, all those 553 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 6: people who have took their time their energy to go 554 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 6: and support this guy. Let me talk to them directly. 555 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 6: He does not care about you. If he can treat 556 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 6: his girlfriend Cassie the way that we've seen him treat 557 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 6: it on video, this is not testimony, this is video. 558 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 6: If he can treat someone who he's supposed to love 559 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 6: like that, how do you think he can treat you. 560 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 6: He doesn't care about you. You're wasting your energy on him, 561 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 6: and honestly, my friends, stop, he doesn't care. He's laughing 562 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 6: at these people outside that court, He's egging them on, 563 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 6: but he doesn't care. 564 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 2: You know, Rob Sheeter, you speak with so much conviction 565 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 2: and so much feeling, and that tells me that you 566 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 2: know something, something you haven't told me. Why do you 567 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: believe this? What did you observe to make you say 568 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: what you just said. 569 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 6: I've observed a really selfish person, Nancy. I've observed a 570 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 6: person who doesn't have any shame, who has no sense 571 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 6: of pride, who has no sense of decency. 572 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 7: He's a really bad man, and. 573 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,959 Speaker 13: Through his career, through the media, through his products, he 574 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 13: has managed to come us all, to kid us all 575 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 13: into believing he is somebody else. 576 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 6: Now, I hoped that day was coming to an end. 577 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 6: In fact, I could even tell you the day that 578 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 6: I thought it was ending. 579 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 7: It was today. 580 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 6: I'm absolutely punched to my gut, to my stomach to 581 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 6: know that Puffy once again rises. Maybe not like a phoenix, 582 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 6: but justice does not feel as if it has been served. 583 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 2: Do you know that people aren't flooding the Corehouse, the 584 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 2: judges chamber with letters please don't let him out. 585 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: We're afraid. 586 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 2: From Cassie Ventura's lawyer to Deonte Nash, so many others 587 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 2: in fear, just like what you're saying. And we heard 588 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 2: earlier how this affects people. They saw what happened to 589 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 2: Kid Cuddy, they saw what happened to Cassie and now 590 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 2: he's going to walk crime stories with Nancy Grace. 591 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: Sydney Sumner. 592 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 2: I understand that during the hearing today, this is after 593 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 2: the split verdict, when everyone where I spray each other 594 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 2: with baby oil outside the courthouse and baying and yelling 595 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 2: and celebrating. Comes goes back into the courtroom Sydney for 596 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 2: the hearing. Right the hearing on is there going to 597 00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: be an appeal? 598 00:33:59,240 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 8: Bond? 599 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: Comes going to walk out of the courthouse a freeman 600 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 2: today during that hearing, Comes briefly tries to raise his 601 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 2: hand to speak after the judge denies his request for release. 602 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 4: Again. 603 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: The judge seemed to ignore the move and instead asks 604 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 2: the US Assistant Attorney Marine Comy to respond, and she says, quote, 605 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 2: he is extremely violent with an extraordinary temper, who has 606 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 2: shown no remorse and no regret. And it makes me think, Sidney, 607 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 2: about that fake apology. I'm gonna queue that up and 608 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,439 Speaker 2: play it for you in just a moment, said where 609 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 2: he does all this apologizing after beating Cassie, but according 610 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 2: to what we learned in court and sworn testimony, he 611 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: continued the violence after the apology video. That's what she said, 612 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 2: no remorse and no regret at all. 613 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 9: Yeah, this is definitely what the judge and prosecutors are thinking. 614 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 9: Comy referenced the violent incident with Jane Mister colmbs knew 615 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 9: he was already under investigation. The judge referenced the multiple 616 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 9: instances of Colme's trying to reach out to potential witnesses, 617 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 9: trying to sway their opinions of what they might tell 618 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,720 Speaker 9: investigators after this investigation began, when Colmes was well aware 619 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 9: it was underway. Judge Supermonian also referenced Mark Agnaphillo's own 620 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 9: closing arguments. You full throwther feet told the jury that 621 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 9: there was violence, domestic violence in all of Colme's relationships. 622 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 9: Y'all own that, and it may have helped on some 623 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 9: of these charges. It may have helped with the guilty 624 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 9: not guilty verdict, but it is definitely coming back to 625 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 9: bite him now, straight out to Lanshaw. 626 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: This also happened in the proceedings. 627 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,240 Speaker 2: This is after tried to raise his hand to address 628 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 2: the judge directly during the arguments, and this is after 629 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 2: the split verdict when everybody was celebrating outside. Now comes 630 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 2: the appeal bond, where the judge is going to decide 631 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 2: will comes walk free tonight? 632 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 1: Okay? 633 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 2: The judge looks over at the defense and he says, 634 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 2: as Sidney just reported. 635 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: Quote you full throatedly. 636 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 2: I've never even heard anybody use that phrase, but he did. 637 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 2: You full throatedly, in your closing argument told the jury 638 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 2: there was violence, and domestic violence is violence. You said 639 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 2: this was the case that did have violence. This is 640 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 2: the judge talking to Combs as to the basic question 641 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 2: of violence. 642 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: You conceded that in your closing argument. 643 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 2: Now throughout this comes this furiously passing notes back and 644 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 2: forth to Agniffilo, who was trying to stand there and 645 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 2: argue and read all of Shawn comes his notes. 646 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: Wait for it, land Shaw. Magnifilo responds, I. 647 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 2: Just think we should trust him. 648 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: He's not gonna flee. He just deserves a chance. 649 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 8: Lann, please let us all get off this dirty diddy, 650 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 8: degenerate merry garround that we're all on. How dare that lawyer? 651 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 8: How dare he? He's got a wife, he's got a daughter. 652 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 8: I believe he's got sisters, a mother, talk like this 653 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 8: violence is violence? Trust him. We have seen everything to 654 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 8: the contrary, including video evidence of Cassie being beaten. How 655 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 8: much more do we need? This goes back to this 656 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 8: is one of the worst days here at the Warriors 657 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 8: to have all of this video, to hear the way 658 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 8: they're talking about victims. Trust him, trust him. There's no 659 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 8: way anybody should trust him. I'm here in New York 660 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 8: City and Rob Shooter's correct. We've got these dirty Diddy 661 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 8: disciples running around. People should be in fear of this guy. 662 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 8: But that brings me to how does he get away 663 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 8: with all of this for decades? What about the victims 664 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 8: that I've been up for forty eight hours now, counseling, helping, 665 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 8: giving out phone numbers, resources, Come stay with me if 666 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 8: you don't want to be alone. What a slap in 667 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 8: the face today to all of these victim survivors of 668 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 8: any kind of sexual abuse. And you know what, this 669 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 8: is the problem with sex trafficking. Nobody I'm a broken record. 670 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 8: Nobody understands it. Nobody understands what force for coersion. Nobody 671 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 8: understands coersion, And you know what, it is time we 672 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 8: change it up. But this is a travesty today. What 673 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 8: a slap in everybody's face. 674 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 2: Sean comes goes to jail, tonight split verdict not guilty 675 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 2: on Rico, not guilty on two counts of sex trafficking, 676 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 2: guilty on two counts bringing people across state lines to 677 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 2: engage in an illegal as activity, that being prostitution as 678 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 2: it relates to Cassie Ventura a victim, and Jane not 679 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 2: her real name a victim. To Robert Crispin joining me 680 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 2: PI but former beat coop, former special investigator with the 681 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 2: Federal Task Force for the US Department of Justice, and 682 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 2: on and on, Robert Crispin, have you ever been in 683 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 2: a case where the bad guy walks? 684 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 5: Oh? My god, Nancy, this brought back. This brought back 685 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 5: such a memory of a guy who was leaning over 686 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,760 Speaker 5: the balcony holding two kilos of cocaine in a CBS bag, 687 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 5: getting ready to drop it on the floor because the 688 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 5: Feds were knocking on the front door and I was 689 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 5: covering the back door, and he dropped it, and I 690 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 5: got it, and I id'ed him, and we went to 691 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 5: the jury and the jury found him not guilty when me, 692 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 5: as the Federal dea Drug agent, watched him drop that bag. 693 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 5: And you know why, Nancy, because juries are so unpredictable. 694 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 5: You know why we didn't pull his DNA off the bag, 695 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 5: but I watched him. I watched him drop those kilos 696 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 5: of cocaine out of the ground. These juries have a 697 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 5: mind of their own. 698 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 2: I know how that must have felt, Shane. And the 699 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 2: thing is, this is a violent crime. Philip debay from 700 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 2: what the judge was saying when Shawn comes raised his 701 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 2: hand trying to speak to the judge while Agniffolo was arguing, 702 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 2: the judge acting like he didn't even see him. The 703 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,479 Speaker 2: judge did note the wide divergence between what the state 704 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 2: wants his sentencing and what the defense wants is sentencing, 705 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 2: But hearing what the judge said, the judge can't just 706 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 2: erase from his mind what he saw on the Cassie 707 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 2: beat down video. He cannot erase from his mind what 708 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 2: the victim said on the stand. 709 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be a light sentence. 710 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: I just don't. 711 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 2: But of course I thought he was going to get 712 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 2: convicted today too, on all accounts. Be honest, take off 713 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,760 Speaker 2: your defense hat. Where do you think this is going? 714 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 2: What will be the sentence? 715 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 10: Three to five years because he has no record and Nancy, 716 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 10: make no mistake about it. The violation of the man 717 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 10: active beast as charge is not a violent crime. It 718 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,720 Speaker 10: simply is not. It doesn't mean that it's not a crime, 719 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 10: it's just not. 720 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: You know what, debate, it's a fact debate. It's based debate, prostitute. 721 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: Save it to stop. 722 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 2: Because I saw the bruises on Cassie, I saw the 723 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 2: fat lip, I saw the gash in her face, on 724 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 2: her head that needed plastic surgery. 725 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: Don't tell me what I didn't see debate At. 726 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 2: This hour, Shawn Combe's defense attorneys arguing for sentencing. 727 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: Sooner. 728 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 2: Are they headed straight to the White House to get 729 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 2: a full on pardon. We don't know, but at this 730 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 2: hour Shawn Combs, at least for tonight, is behind bars, 731 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 2: and now we hear at crime stories. Salute American heroes, 732 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 2: Heroes that dare to come forward, heroes that against all odds, 733 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 2: take the stand and try, even in the face of defeat, 734 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 2: and to prosecutors, they go into the courtroom against all odds, 735 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 2: and they try, and when they win, they're mocked, and 736 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 2: when they lose, they're mocked, and they get up the 737 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 2: next day to fight again. To all of you American heroes, 738 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 2: thank you, and good night.