WEBVTT - Is fluoride making us stupid? 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.600 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:15.480 from how Stuff Works dot Com. Everybody loves altoy. It's 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.520 little ments that come intense. Well, once the ments are gone, 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:20.400 you can do some really neat things with the left 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.480 over tense. People have made empty three players, cameras, even stoves. 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.640 Check out how stuff Works dot com slash tent evators 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:32.800 to find out more. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.280 It's stuff you should Know with Josh Clark that's me 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.519 and Charles W. Bryant that's you, right, And this is 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.760 really stuff you should know. Yeah, not like the usual 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.239 gobbledegook that we just toss out there. This is this 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:50.320 is an important one. Sure, I think so too. We're 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.640 talking about what the CDC classifies in the top ten 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:58.440 accomplishments of public health of the twentieth century. Indeed, and 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:00.960 also might be one of the most the faririest pots 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:05.160 that are perpetrated on the global public good stuff. Let's 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.240 do it. Let's do it, Chuck. We're talking about fluoride, 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:12.360 the seemingly innocuous stuff that is added to our water 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:19.240 supply and our toothpaste, and our pills, diet pills, mouthwash, 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:23.600 what else, um, soft drinks, Well, that stuff that we ingest. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:29.520 It's also in rat poison and things like that. Antipsychotic medications, 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:34.400 paint are not pain killers, tranquilizers. Yeah, it's all over 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:37.560 the place. And actually it is exceedingly difficult to get 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.840 rid of or to get away from, anything that has 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.920 water in it. Uh, say, a soft drink is going 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:47.200 to have fluoride in it too, because pretty much all 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.080 of our water has fluoride in it, at least here 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.920 in the States of American cities fluoridate their own water 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.240 flooridate water that already has naturally occurring fluoride in it, 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.960 which is hinky. It is hinky. Let's let's talk about 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.840 fluoride first, right back in the nineteen forties here in 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.640 the States. We should also say, around the world, this 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.040 is not necessarily the case. There are some countries that 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:15.040 absolutely don't floridate water. Some used to. Yeah, Denmark and 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.760 Switzerland are among those that used to and don't anymore. 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.320 France never did. But in the States we've been hot 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.720 and heavy about floridating water for a long time since 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:31.919 when Grand Rapids Michigan became the first um city to floridate, 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:36.520 to add fluoride to it's already fluoridated water. Uh. And 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:40.600 Grand Rapids became the kind of model city for this. 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.000 It was studied extensively. Uh. And the whole reason we 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.639 started floridating water is and as Chuck likes to say, 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:53.919 I find the shinky. Uh. Scientists discovered that areas where 0:02:54.240 --> 0:03:00.000 naturally occurring fluoridated water was being drunk by the citizens. UM. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.560 They also there was also a correlation with a decline 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.440 and dental carries all about the teeth. Dental carries are 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.400 any kind of signs of decay, like a cavity or 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.960 something like that. It's an umbrella term form. Right. So 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.760 they decided, hey, we should add floride to the water 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.440 and put it in toothpaste, and uh, we'll we'll get 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.919 our teeth in shape here in this country. And since then, 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:27.359 everybody's fine with fluoride. It's totally cool. You know, if 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:31.600 you'll remember, toothpaste used to be touted with with fluoride. 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.160 It's actually a little more difficult to find that little 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.920 label these days. Right. The ad A American Dental Association 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.560 says it's great the organization. They came out in nineteen 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:45.800 sixty nine and said it's good stuff. Big, big organizations 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.640 are behind it. And uh, there actually has been a 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:53.640 major decline in tooth decay since then. Back in the forties, 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:57.080 the early forties, I believe in the US, the average 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:01.360 kid had fifteen dental carries. Right, that's a lot. That 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.360 a lot, I mean, that makes me look good. Do 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.160 you have a lot of cavities or a lot of fillings? 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.920 I'm like a crackhead over here. Yeah, my my. I 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:10.760 remember when I was a kid and I kept getting 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:15.760 fillings every time. I rather sardonic, Lee told my dentist 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:17.440 one time, why don't you just go ahead and fill 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:19.800 them all? Right now? Just get it over with. You 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.560 were sardonic way back then, said I keep coming back 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:24.280 in here, and you do a couple every time, So 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:25.720 once you just go ahead and do them all. And 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.480 he said, well, that's no kind of attitude, really, right, 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.320 And I went yeah, And all of a sudden, you 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.919 forgot what you were talking about exactly. Yeah. So UM 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:43.159 again Floride endorsed across the board almost by almost every 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:48.320 major UM dental association, public Health Association, the c d C, 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.839 as we said, the World Health Organization, and they all 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.000 point to studies that show that floride is perfectly fine 0:04:55.520 --> 0:05:00.520 even though it's an insecticides and rat poisons and tranquilizers. Right. Um, 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:04.000 The problem is there are also plenty of studies that 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.760 have surfaced or been conducted over the years that show 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.160 fluoride is not necessarily fine. Now are we gonna get 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.680 into the dark side? Now? Is it time? I don't 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.400 see any reason to hold off any longer. I mean, 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.440 what have we we talked about? How you know there's 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:24.040 been a decrease in dental carries since fluoride was introduced 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.760 or right? The thing is, the impression I have is 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:32.599 everybody seems to be okay with adding fluoride to toothpaste, 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:37.400 But it's the water supply that really gets people's ire up, right, right, 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.440 I think, because it's already in there, not just that. 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:42.720 And also we should say that the optimal, as far 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.599 as the e p A Is concerned, the optimal amount 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:51.239 of fluoride added to drinking water is four parts per million, right, yes, indeed, 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:55.520 and and anything over that up to fourteen parts per 0:05:55.520 --> 0:06:00.000 million is considered dangerous. Right And way back in nineteen 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:03.760 any to the National Academy of Sciences estimated that more 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.760 than two hundred thousand people in the US we're drinking 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.159 water with fluoride levels above four parts per million. And 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.680 what are some of the dangers. Well, some of the 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.480 dangers are discoloration and corrosion of your teeth, which is 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:20.360 called dental fluorosis. Yeah, which is ironic that it's something. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.640 The whole point of fluoride is to prevent dental decay, 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.840 and over exposure or prolonged exposures, say, oh, I don't know, 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.279 over the course of a lifetime. Um, it can actually 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:35.839 degrade your teeth's health. It can actually accelerate decay, and 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.680 not just teeth but bones as well, which is skeletal fluorosis. 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:44.400 It can also cause seizures. It can also cause a 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:48.760 severe gastro intestinal upset, can lower your i Q supposedly allegedly, 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.440 well that's not necessarily allegedly. There's a bunch of studies, 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.440 um that have been shown that there is at least 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:59.720 a correlation between high fluoride exposure and low i Q. Right, 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.480 China is big on that. Actually, there's been a slew 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.320 of studies to come out of China that show that 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.800 UM and the Chinese have also conducted other studies outside 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:13.560 of China, so it's not just China that's got heavily 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:19.200 fluoridated dummies, you know. Um, So Chuck, I guess now, 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.000 let's let's pull the trigger. Let's get into the whole 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.280 conspiracy aspect of this. Yes, there's something called the florid conspiracy, 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:29.480 which we've found quite disturbing. We did speak for you, Yeah, 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.920 please do. And Um, should we go back to and 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.680 kind of set up how this happened. Yes, let's go 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:37.760 back in time, Josh, like we'd love to do to. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:45.440 So are years from the release of Ghostbusters. Uh. The I. G. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:49.280 Farben Company in Germany, they're a chemical manufacturing company. They 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:53.600 started getting loans from banks here in America. So what 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:57.640 that led to was Henry Ford and American Standard Oil 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.400 merged with I. G. Farban and in the early thirties, 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.520 all of a sudden there were more than a hundred 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:09.200 corporations who had cooperatives and subsidiaries in Germany. So, all 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:10.520 of a sudden, we have a lot of a lot 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.400 of manufacturing and business going on in Germany. Early thirties. 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.560 Flash forward a little bit to thirty nine, under the 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:20.360 Altet agreement, and the American Aluminum Company, which is the 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:24.200 largest producer of sodium fluoride, and Dow everyone knows about 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.800 doll the chemical company. They transfer technology to Germany as well. 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.240 So all of a sudden you have what's known as 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:35.120 the fluoride mafia quote unquote, because that was the largest 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.960 producer of sodium fluoride in the world at the time, right, right, 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.280 And I guess we should say that here's the deal. 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:45.040 Fluoride is a byproduct of a lot of manufacturing processes. 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.640 Hydrofluoria solicic acid is exactly. Um. We should also say 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.280 at this point that the studies that are conducted on 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:56.679 the dangers of fluoride, which no one disputes, you can, 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.760 there is such a thing as fluoride toxicity. That's fact. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.920 Sin dispute is number one, whether or not it will 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:07.880 actually affect intelligence, and number two, whether the risks of 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:14.400 Florida toxas city outweigh the benefits to dental health. Right, okay, right, right, okay, 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.040 So go ahead, Chuck. So now, uh flash forward a 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.480 little bit more into World War two. Uh, the U. S. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.960 Government sends a guy named Charles Elliott Perkins and he's 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.400 a research a chemistry guy. Uh. They sent him to 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.440 Germany to work with the chemical plants over there with 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:33.160 the I. G. Farban Co Company, and a German chemissaire 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.640 told him of a scheme which was devised that the 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:41.079 German chemists were going to know they had been they 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.120 had been giving floride to prisoners of wars. That right, 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.880 they were fluoridating, heavily fluoridating from from how I take it, 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.880 at the water at the pow camps in Germany to quote, 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:56.840 make them stupid and docile. Yes, interesting, very interesting. So 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:01.640 apparently that that caught the attention of the Americans. It did. Indeed. 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:06.440 Nine Gerald Cox, who was a chemist employed by the 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:11.520 Aluminum company, Yeah, concludes in a study with lab rats 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:16.000 that floride reduces the cavities, dental cavities. And this is 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.280 where everything just kind of picks up from there, like 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.520 all of a sudden, fluoride is associated with the reduction 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.839 in dental caries, and now we need to just start 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:30.440 adding it to our drinking water, right right. Seven Oscar Ewing, 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.920 who was a longtime attorney for the Aluminum company, is 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.920 appointed head of the Federal Security Agency, which places him 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:40.960 in charge of the public Health Service, and over the 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.880 next three years after that, seven American city started floridating 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.800 their water. Right. And this is just an early example 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.160 of the revolving door. You know about the revolving door, right, 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:57.400 we've talked about it before school me Um. It's like, uh, Paulson, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.160 Paulson when he was head of the Treasury, he was 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.959 a Goldman Sacksman, and of course kush Kari he was 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.640 a Goldman Sacksman too. It's just it's the revolving door. 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.280 Is basically this this um interaction, this interplay between the 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.840 private sector and public office. So the private sector will 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.720 send some of their top people to serve in public office, 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:23.120 affect policy change that helps this private sector, and then 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.360 they come out and get huge bonuses in a Kush job. Exactly. 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.040 This is exactly what you're talking about now with Oscar 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.959 ewing in right. We need to keep saying that word. 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:38.040 So basically, Josh, the eliminum manufacturing and fertilizer and weapons 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:43.480 industries start conducting this education and research for fluoride, saying 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.319 how great it is when it's one of their biggest byproducts, 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.240 and apparently the deal is it's very expensive byproduct to 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.880 get rid of it is, but it's also toxic waste. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.520 So very conveniently, they have all these studies that come 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.160 out and say, hey, it's really good for you and 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.720 by these companies, and we just happen to have a bunch. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.960 So let's start selling it to municipalities to put into 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.120 their water supply. Right, should we talk about Eddie Burne's 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.160 Edward Burne's Real Quick? Yeah? I and actually, Chuck, we 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.680 had we had a suggestion from one of our listeners 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.120 a while back, UM when we talked about I think 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:18.320 it was the Propaganda episode, Um, and he sent in 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:22.600 some stuff about Edward Burney's. I think Edward Burnet's actually 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:27.960 deserves his own podcast. This guy created PR and like 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.640 the kind of thank you for smoking PR the original 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.480 spin doctor, I'd like to I think we should do 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:38.480 one on him. I agree. So Barney's is um funded 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:43.120 by these industrialists to try and encourage this PR campaign 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:46.480 that it's good for you. You're gonna read the quote alright. 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.960 So Berne's is quoted as saying you can get practically 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.920 any idea accepted if doctors are in favor. The public 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.040 is willing to accept it because the doctor is an 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:58.000 authority to most people, regardless of how much he knows 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.280 or doesn't know how about that, which is true. Uh. 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.319 And actually, Chuck, I should say, um, you know my 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.240 cute little girlfriend, she's sharp as attack. Uh. She and 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.880 I were watching something about a like an elliptical machine 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.760 or something. It was an infomercial for it, and they 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.880 had this doctor on and he was touting the the 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.560 health benefits of this machine. But it said his name 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:25.120 and then new York cardiologist, and it just completely went 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.320 over my head. And she she stopped him, was like, 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.280 what is the fact that he's a New York cardiologist 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:33.080 had to do with anything? And I realized, like, New 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.520 York cardiologist had just buzzed into my brain and it 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:38.360 was an infomercial. So I took the guy with a 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.640 grain of salt to begin with. But I did not 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.000 notice at all that it was a New York cardiologist 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.520 I was listening to. But I'm sure that that still 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:50.040 had an effect the legitimacy that this guy had. In 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.520 my opinion, if it would have said de Moine pediatrician, 0:13:53.080 --> 0:14:00.400 you probably wouldn't have Pian Detroit even work for eau 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:06.240 Claire was Canton was Canton. So, uh, basically, these doctors 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:11.120 weren't necessarily bad guys and ladies, but they never really 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.559 got these studies. A lot of these studies were allegedly suppressed, 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:18.079 and people that oppose it were, you know, called cranks 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.080 and quacks, and so all these doctors are seeing these 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.680 cooked studies, essentially cooking the books. Nice Chuck, allegedly get 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:32.480 him Chuck recently declassified documents about the Manhattan Project Josh, 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.080 where we made the atomic bomb, found out that floride 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.200 is a key chemical ingredient in the atomic bomb. Even 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.640 worse than that, though, there was a an A. D. A. M. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:47.240 Study that apparently said that floride does pose a health risk, 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:51.560 and the Atomic Energy Agency actually redacted much of this study. 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.280 So when the American Dental Association is being redacted by 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:59.480 the Atomic Energy Agency, that's that should raise some sort 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.280 of flag, you know. The reason they gave though? What 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:06.880 national security? Yeah, and apparently, Chuck, when whenever the government 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:11.840 pulls out national security, including lawsuits which are arch nemesis. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.680 Ira Glass recently covered in a This American Life story 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:20.000 on the origins of things. Um, there's absolutely nothing you 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.200 can do, like that's that's it. The judges says, well, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.640 this case can't be tried. Well, you know what else 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:28.320 happened in two thousand three? The Water Act. Yeah, the 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.120 Water Act was passed. And one of the little things 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.840 in the Water Act that you may not know about people, 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.720 is that it made it impossible for water companies to 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.160 undergo civil or criminal hearings as a result of adding 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:42.800 fluoride to public water. So they basically said, you can't 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.040 see him because we passed the Water Act. So if 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.320 someone finds out something awful, there's nothing you can do 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:52.840 about it to make money. So again we should go 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.240 back and say that if you ask the c d C, 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.920 the A d AH, the World Health Organization, if you 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.160 ask any of these agents the's is Florida dangerous? They 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:06.000 will conclusively say no. Or we should say it, does 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.280 Florida give you cancer? They will say no. Of course, 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:13.640 there are plenty of studies out there that link floride cancer. Again, 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.320 though these studies appear to be repressed. Have you heard 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.720 of Philos Melanax. Yeah, let's talk about her. She was 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.040 what a Harvard researcher, Yeah, toxicologists. She was a New 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:28.080 York cardiologist in the Yeah, and um, she was about 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:33.160 to publish a study um on the link between cancer 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:37.880 and floride. Was that right? Well, yeah, she she thought 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.080 that it might lead to lower i Q and and 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:45.200 a couple of Yeah, because some uh during her studies 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:49.240 of rodents, they were displaying um symptoms and signs of 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.120 a d h D. Uh. And we'd also are already 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:56.440 long known that fluoride exposure causes um osteo sarcomas, which 0:16:56.480 --> 0:17:00.480 is bone cancer in rats. Um. But she okay, So 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.040 she was doing the link between a d h D, 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.439 lower i Q and fluoride and she was fired a 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:09.159 couple of days before her UM findings were published. So 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.880 she goes to the National Institutes of Health for research 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.600 grant to continuous studies, and they said floride does not 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:20.160 lower i Q, it does not affect intelligence and turned 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.119 her down and said sorry, we have no money for you. 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.320 And National Institutes of Health they're not supposed to write 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.399 the conclusions for researchers before their studies are published. And 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.280 you know what she was fired from. What her job was. 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.639 She was ahead of toxicology at the Forsyth Dental Center 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:38.640 in Boston. Yeah. Interesting, the plot is getting so thick. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.480 I can barely put my hand in it. It is. 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.119 This is honestly, I'd never heard of this. And Ben Bowling, 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.800 they did UH on the soon to be released stuff 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:47.760 they don't want you to know a video podcast. They 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.960 did one on floride, so we kind of borrowed from them. Well, 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:54.639 we actually asked Ben the Godfather for his blessing and 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:59.159 he very generously gave it to us. Right. Um, so 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.760 chuck the here's the biggest one to me. This is 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.760 this is the one that gets me the most. Okay. So, 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.240 the studies that show that fluoride poses little to no 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.760 health risk if it's delivered at four parts per million 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:15.480 or less in fluoridated water UM Number one or about 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:20.480 twenty years old, UH and number two were conducted using 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:25.960 pharmaceutical grade sodium fluoride. This is the stuff that actually 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:31.880 is in toothpaste, really high grade stuff. Um. And that's 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:35.120 why no one really has any problem with fluoride and toothpaste. 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.760 It's the fluoride in the drinking water supply. As we 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:41.040 said earlier, the people are worried about. One of the 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.840 reasons why is that while some cities do put sodium 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:48.560 fluoride in their water supply. It's still not pharmaceutical grade, 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:54.800 and even worse, a lot of cities use hydrofluora solicic acid, which, Chuck, 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.480 you mentioned that it's a byproduct of fertilizer production, UM 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:03.600 munitions production, UM aluminum production, scrubbed from the smoke stacks. 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.240 Say it again, Chuck, scrubbed from the inside of smoke 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.400 stacks of fertilizer plants, fertilizer plants and put into our water, 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.480 put into truck, shipped to water um treatment plants where 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:18.399 it sold the cities and inserted into the water supply. Dude, 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.800 I'm not Mr. Conspiracy guy. I kind of its interests me, 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.080 but this is one of those where I was I 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.800 was blown away. Well, I think the gray irony of 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:30.640 this podcast is that the um aluminum foil hats were 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:34.520 wearing were actually produced by ALCA. I mean, come on, 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.399 how's that for full circle? Yeah, but we're not getting 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.960 any it's bouncing off all the radio electric or radiomagnetic 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.520 electromagnetic waves. What am I saying? Do you? I know 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.919 what you're saying, buddy. So that's um, that's florid. Actually 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.280 that's kind of just the tip of the iceberg. Really, 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.280 one thing that I took hard in is that, Um, 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:56.600 it seems like more and more legitimate groups are undertaking 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.600 studies or reevaluations of some of the studies that were 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.120 conduct did on whether or not fluoride poses a health 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.879 risk starting in the twenty one century. UM. And it 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:10.120 looks like people are starting to take a slightly more 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:14.120 scrutinizing view of it because they were Burns is long dead, 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:17.640 and so are all of the revolving door people who 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.800 got this whole thing started. So we'll see, right. The 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.080 e p A is one of them. Actually, thank god 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:27.480 I saw one of their scientists in their union chapter 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.080 two eighty it is taking a big stand against it, 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.720 Dr William Hersey, And he's the vice president of that 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.080 chapter of the e p A. And he says that 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:39.200 quote fluoride is a hazardous waste product for which there 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:42.679 is substantial evidence of adverse health effects and contrary to 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:48.320 public perception, virtually no evidence of significant benefits. Boom right. 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:51.720 And when a scientist union starts talking, it's bad because 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:57.920 you've got eggheads and leg breaking um teamsters rolled into one. 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.400 You don't want to mess with that. A teams NERD 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:02.920 combo is deadly and actually, if you're looking for a 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:07.800 legitimate source, a legitimate voice of opposition to fluoridating water, 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:11.920 should check out anything Dr Hardy Lineback has written. He's 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:16.359 an associate professor of dentistry and the head of the 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.720 preventative he's the head of preventative Dentistry at the University 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:25.280 of Toronto. He's a vocal opponent of floridating water, and 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:29.720 he's got some great points. Yea Hardy Lineback, crime back, 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:35.000 cool stuff. Josh, Yeah, that's that's it. We should probably, uh, 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:37.480 we'll have to find another conspiracy one to do, because 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:41.000 our conspiracy ones really get people going. People love that 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:44.720 c I and LSD fake moon landing. Actually mk ultra 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:46.760 was used in some of these experiments that was part 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:50.000 of the under the mk ultra umbrella. This floor ideal. Well, 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:52.199 there's like two hundred forty nine or a hundred and 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.359 forty nine programs under mk ultra. So he's gonna get 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.720 to floride sooner or later, especially if the Nazis are saying, dude, 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:02.080 it totally makes your popular anatians docile. Yeah, and they're 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:05.000 like you should try LSD. Yeah. There was a big 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:11.959 exchange was just wow, pretty cool? Is it? Time four 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:17.760 listener mail? All right, Josh, I'm gonna call this I've 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.440 got a couple here. I'm gonna call it an answer 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:24.439 to our query that we posed, which one when we 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:27.800 asked what the woman who had the lightning go through 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.840 a kitchen and we actually asked yea Paloma. So, Josh, 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:32.800 if you remember, Paloma wrote in and said that she 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.800 had this lightning travel through her kitchen and allowed buzzing 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:38.800 popping sound and put it right in front of her 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:41.760 face and passed from one wall to another, absolutely but 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.920 left her totally unharmed, totally unharmed, and it didn't even 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:46.760 leave a mark on any of the walls that it 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.560 passed through. It did not. And there was no thunder 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:52.479 in the area afterward, right or there was, but it 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:55.840 was far away, Okay, no loud clap of thunder. So 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:58.359 this one is actually we had a few people right in. 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:01.120 But this is from Tyler. He's a grad student at 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:04.440 the Department of Chemical Engineering in Material Science at the 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:09.439 University of Minnesota, class of oh He's a youngster, he is. 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:12.160 He says, uh, I nearly lost it when I heard 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.480 your quandary. Today. I've been listening to you guys for 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:16.720 months and never felt had anything truly worthy to add. 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.240 But now I'm thrilled. My older sister had gotten a 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:23.840 series of time Life books, remember those containing a plethora 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:28.200 of odd and amazing stories. I think, yeah, yeah, Well 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:29.760 I had the Old West series that was the best. 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:33.760 One shot a man for storing too loud um. When 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:35.720 she moved, I took up the collection and let them 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:39.439 gather dust. However, I recently started reading them, and uh, 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:42.000 they're both entertaining and revealing. The story you read on 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:46.240 the air sounds very close to ball lightning. The only 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.560 major difference is that the writer didn't mention any damage 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:51.960 to your house, and most ball lightning stories, UH do 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.680 note some some damage. So I'm not a hundred percent sure, 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:56.600 but it sounds like ball lightning. So we got that 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:58.480 from Tyler, and we also got that from Kent and 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:04.560