1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast abides by the A D scale, 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: except for Dan Hansus, who just doesn't get it. It's 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: really not that hard. Welcome back to another edition of 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: the Round the League Podcast. My name is Dan Hands. 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: I am joined by room filled with heroes Mark Sessler, 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Greg Roseletal, and Chris Westling. What up? Boys? We are 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: just excited because Chris was just mentioning we are in 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: this makeshift, blasted out death star of a studio and 9 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: it's been six degrees in here episode after episode. We 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: got some heat lamps in here today, Well there aren't 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: actual heat lives, but some lights. Yeah, I'm lights. So 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: we're continuing to listen. Studio sixty six is not ready yet, 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: but we're getting closer day by day, right, black guy, Yeah, 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: thumbs up, So we're getting closer to that. But um, 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: black guy got caught eating some sushi store bought sushi 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: while doing the podcast called a roll. How is it 17 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: pretty good? You can't do shellfish show? Oh? Really might 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: go to other than Spicy Tour carry on Cary. Okay, Okay, 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, so we're still in Studio four until we 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: get back to Studio sixty six. We have gentlemen a 21 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: great show. We are. Of course, we've moved on as 22 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: a nation from the loss. The USA lost in the 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: World Cup on Wednesday. They lost Thursday made a big impact. 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: Then Dan made a huge impact on me personally. The 25 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: country has already moved on. I feel like we're everybody's 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: wondering about Lebron where he's gonna end up somehow. The 27 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: United States has overcome this devastating loss. So we're okay, right, Well, 28 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: we frankly we didn't deserve to go as far as 29 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: we did. That's fair to say. We're not. We're not 30 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: much different than we were like thirty years ago when 31 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: everyone said this was coming, that we're gonna be a 32 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: great soccer nation. We had as many shots on goal 33 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: of the whole tournament as Belgium did. Yesterday. He Soccer Analysis, 34 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 1: He Dan was crushed. That was Dan took the loss 35 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: hard yesterday in the office, we watched it. I took 36 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: an initially pretty tough, but then damn Shake also laid 37 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: out a scenario whereby the U S could win the 38 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: World Cup in exchange, or the Jets could win ten games, 39 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 1: and that doesn't guarantee the playoffs. That just they would 40 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: win ten games. I took the Jets so well, he said, 41 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: when that World Cup game, and maybe one more. I 42 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: don't think he said the whole thing, just a little 43 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: spoiler alert. Still wanting to change my answer. So but 44 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: it was fun to watch. It was fun to get 45 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: into soccer. For what I said, I would take a 46 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: generic two wins for any NFL team that I could 47 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: apply to, like the Jaguars if I felt like it 48 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: over the that winning that game. That's just on patriotic. 49 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: I hope they would win, but I mean that the 50 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: football season for last months, this last like a week. 51 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: The ghost Standards rolling over in his grave right now, 52 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: by the way, I read the Gold Standards. Uh. He 53 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: wrote a column about the USA game, and you should 54 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: read it. Look him up at that dam yank. You know, 55 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 1: he does great stuff, smarter than all of us. Nice 56 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: show today, very nice show, gentlemen, because we're gonna talk 57 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: about quarterbacks. What's better than talking about quarterbacks. Everybody loves 58 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: talking about quarterbacks where they stack up their rankings and 59 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: a special occasion today kind of worked out the stars 60 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: in line that Chris Westling wrote his preseason quarterback rankings. 61 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: We put that up Tuesday on the website and then 62 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: today over on ESPN, Mike Sando, one of their writers, 63 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: spoke to a bunch of NFL officials and coaches in 64 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: front office type people and they put together He put 65 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: together a tiered list of his own rankings for quarterbacks. 66 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about both lists and just get 67 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: it out there and get all the flowing. Sandal saw 68 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: the Westling piece. He felt the heat. Not he'd have 69 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: to rush his thing out. He didn't want what he 70 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: just was stepping onto West's corner at l moved the 71 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: needle like that. We're also gonna continue our King the 72 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: Leap series as we go deeper into the top ten. 73 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna go over two players um with pieces that 74 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: were originally written on our website by Chris Wesley and 75 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: Mark Sessler NFL dot com slash Making the Leap to 76 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: see all the Making the Leap guys. Guys, we anticipate 77 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: going the next level as players this year. But before 78 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: any of that, folks, we're going to throw it over 79 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: back to t D. And by the way, t D, 80 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: I just want to run something by you real quick 81 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: while we're here. Damnaschek came up to me last week 82 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 1: in the office and and made a common along along 83 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: the lines of why are you calling him t D? 84 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: We should be calling him black Tide. It's confusing the listeners. 85 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: So I said to him, you know what, I will 86 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: go to t D on the issue and let him 87 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: decide whether he wants to be black Tire t D 88 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: on the show the guys where I see it black 89 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: times sort of a DDFP character. And you know that, 90 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: you know, it goes back to the whole tie rack 91 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: thing with the producers on that show, and you know 92 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: this is a different show. You know, you guys do 93 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: great working and I'm glad to be a the team. 94 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: And TD is my name, you guys go my first 95 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: name share. It's not a nickname team, so we don't 96 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: need But I mean, if sometimes you call me a 97 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: black tile like you almost did that, I'm fine with 98 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: that too, Okay. And you should also know, Damna Check 99 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: seems to be there. It does seem to be some 100 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: moderate heat between the two podcasts, as we expected. How 101 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: do you feel do you feel kind of like the 102 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: kid caught in the middle of a divorce or something 103 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,119 Speaker 1: like that. Mostly not, you know, Damn Shake always feels 104 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: like you know someone's coming after. You're gonna hear about that, 105 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: all right, t D. Let's do some lows, Yes we care, 106 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: little patriotic theme obviously, July fourth weekend. I like that, Presidentay, 107 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: and you know, President Barack Obama. Maybe I should set 108 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: it up differently though. Let's try it again, Hey, TD, 109 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: can we do some news, Yes, we ca. I like 110 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: the TD does homework. That's a keeper, he shared. Does 111 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: I love that one? July four coming up? Independence Day 112 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: for America? All right, we'll start in Buffalo. Some tough news, 113 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: very bad news for the Buffalo Bills, who suffered suffered 114 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: a big loss when it was announced that linebacker Kiko 115 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: Alonso will likely miss the entire two thousand fourteen season 116 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: after suffering a torn left a c L. The injury 117 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: was suffered during a workout in Oregon. Alonso, who had 118 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: underwent surgery in the offseason on his hip, now injures 119 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: the knee and after an extremely promising season. Is a 120 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: very good chance, almost uh definite chance, We're not gonna 121 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: see him at all in two thousand fourteen. Terrible blow 122 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: for the Buffalo Bills. Greg and Mark and I had 123 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: a bit of a debate in the news room on 124 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: how much of a loss this is for the Bills 125 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: team basically for their prognostication purposes. Does it take them 126 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: out of like a sleeper status for a playoff birth, 127 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: Does it cost him a couple of wins one win? 128 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: I think it's a huge loss. I think it's tough 129 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: to say one player in the ultimate team sport is 130 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: going to cost a team more than a win. Even 131 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: that seems like a lot. But what Alonso's injury reminds 132 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: me of, and he was such a great player as 133 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: a rookie, is that this is at a defense that's 134 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: changing schemes, it's changing away from a defensive coordinator that 135 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: had a lot of success last year. And I'm just 136 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: worried that, even though they're talented, they're not going to 137 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: be nearly as good on defense this year as they 138 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: were last year. And we had talked about the Bills 139 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago as a team that on 140 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: paper might have more talent outside of the quarterback position 141 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: than their a f c's rival Patriots, but that this 142 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: shifts that. I think this is a this is a 143 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: key loss. Ay, they lost Jared's bird in the back, 144 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: huge loss. You're losing all your guys with the middle 145 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: of your defensive coordinator that I think flipped the switch 146 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: on that defense last year in terms of the pass 147 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: rush franchise record for sas, there's a lot of variables 148 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: all of a sudden. To be fair, Jim Schwartz has 149 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: done well as a defensive coordinator. I think he's a 150 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: good defensive coach. It's not like they're bringing in a 151 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: bum but I think the change on defense, plus the 152 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: fact that, oh, by the way, that offensive staff has 153 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: no track record of any success in the NFL at 154 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: barely any time in the NFL. One thing about Schwartz's defense. 155 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: Kiko Alonso was switching from middle linebacker two weeks on 156 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: linebacker because that's the position in which all the players 157 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: are funneled in Schwartz's defense. So Alonzo was the guy. 158 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: He was supposed to be the centerpiece of that defense, 159 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: and now he's gone. They do have some depth, though, 160 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: Nigel Bradham, who will probably replace him, played pretty well 161 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: for them when he's been in the lineup. They brought 162 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: in Brandon Spikes. They have Keith Rivers, which is a 163 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: pretty generic starter. It's not the worst linebacker group, but 164 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,599 Speaker 1: the front seven doesn't look nearly as exciting. Yeah, I 165 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: just look at the Bills, though, and how much patience 166 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: will there be when you've got a coaching staff that 167 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: used the first round pick on ej. Manuel. They've now 168 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: lost their best defensive player after losing what arguably was 169 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: their best defensive player for that in free agency. This 170 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: is this is a rough situation for this team. Wid 171 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: hold off, though, I'd rather have three of their defensive 172 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,599 Speaker 1: lineman than Alonza what I take. I think losing Darius 173 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: for a long time, if he was suspended for a 174 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: long time, would be more devastating. Or Mario Williams or 175 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: Kyle william I mean, this is still a great degree 176 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: with that, you can they have enough depth on the 177 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: defensive line that you can replace those guys. They don't 178 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: have anybody like Kiko Line Kiko Alonso, a linebacker. Bark Also, 179 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: he did mention, of course Jari's Burt fired t. You 180 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: had a thought, I did you know? It's it's it's 181 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: it's tough about out here these days where you know 182 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: the young white anti linebackers. You know, Shawne went down down, 183 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: take Luke Kickley, watch out see you can say that 184 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: we can't we can't make these sort of racial jokes. 185 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: You TD, you have a assessler about watch that music 186 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: is app to what feels like a bad script about 187 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: someone that's going around with a real anger issue towards 188 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: NFL inside linebackers and using this offseason to just get 189 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: rid of. To be fair, Daryl Washington and Sean Weatherspoon 190 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: also both not gonna play this season. Doesn't quite fit 191 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: into your theory, but I like, I like you're getting creative. Also, 192 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: Kiko Alonso, an outside linebacker, Well, now, well, you know whatever, 193 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: that's not going to Arbitrator Stephen Burbank ruled Wednesday that 194 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints starred Jimmy Graham. Burbs drops the hammer 195 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: rules that Jimmy Graham is indeed a tight end. Uh 196 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: This according to NFL media insider Ian rapp Report and 197 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: Albert brier Um. Graham, of course, at filed a grievance 198 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: arguing that he deserved to be designated as a wide 199 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: receiver under the franchise tag because he had spent more 200 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: time in the wide receiver type positions than a tight end. 201 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: Has cost him something in the neighborhood of five million 202 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: dollars when you compare the franchise tag of a tight 203 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: end to a wide receiver. Obviously a big deal for 204 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham. Uh. It was treated as the biggest news 205 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: of the history of the NFL this morning when I 206 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: came in. I can't quite get behind it as being 207 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: that notable, but I get it from a business aspect, 208 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: this is big news. Jimmy Graham loses out. Burbank cited 209 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: the fact that Graham lined up with him four yards 210 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: of the line of scrimmage for the majority of snaps. Uh. 211 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: I like that. Jimmy Graham cited on his own Twitter 212 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: bio that he was a tight end. I think that 213 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: was sufficient enough. That was wild. They actually used that 214 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: against him and then against him. Well. One of the 215 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: things that really stuck out to me, I think Sean 216 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: Payton said it. He said Graham is covered by linebackers 217 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: a good chunk of the time, and someone did the numbers. 218 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: Thirty percent by linebackers, thirty percent by safety to thirty 219 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: percent quarterbacks. No wide receivers are ever covered by linebackers. 220 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: So that's a pretty strong way to look at it. 221 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: We've talked about this on this podcast. This is what 222 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: tight ends are. Sometimes they line up out wide. Sometimes 223 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: they line up in the slot, sometimes they line up 224 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: online as a traditional tight end. The problem is they 225 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: need to come up with a hybrid designation under the 226 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: franchise cap because it is unfair to people like Jimmy Graham. 227 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: That's fair, but I think that number is gonna rise. 228 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: It's fair than it's unfair. I'm saying his point is fair. 229 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: That's a good point. No one franchise is an inline 230 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: tight end franchise. This number of franchise texts will go 231 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: up because Dan mentioned this could cost Graham five million dollars, 232 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: but that's only if he signs the franchise tag tender, 233 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: and I don't expect that to happen. They have until 234 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: July to sign Graham to a long term deal. They've 235 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: already offered him more money, reportedly than Rob Gronkowski gets 236 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: as the highest paid tight end in the league, which 237 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: is very good money. It's wide receiver money. And I 238 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: see no reason why now that this little extra bit 239 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: of leverage was added to the Saints, they can't come 240 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: to terms. That's I guess. It just sets a precedent 241 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: for all these other tight ends like your Eric Ebron, 242 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: who has come to the NFL, and before he's played 243 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: a snap is already talking about, you know how he 244 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: deserves to be paid down the line. But yeah, at 245 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: the end of the day, for Jimmy Graham, what does 246 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: it mean he'll end his career with sixty eight million 247 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 1: and earnings instead of se house with fifteen rooms, not 248 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: twelve or not not seventeen at this point, but Jordan 249 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: Cameron would have been franchised after this season potentially. Yeah, 250 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: I think, guys, you mentioned Eric Ebron, but Vernon Davis 251 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: hold out might have been a lot about this case. 252 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: Vernon Davis was waiting to see what would happen and 253 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: then Jimmy Graham case. Guys, you're not gonna believe this. 254 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: But I got another message from our producer TV who 255 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: says he has another take to share. How you guys 256 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: are talking about Twitter bios. Jimmy Graham noted himself as 257 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: a tight end. Well, it just heads up Sessler, Chris Wessling, 258 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: and Dan you guys are all your Twitter bios or 259 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: writers for amount of league. So it'll never go to 260 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: Greg trying to get a raised for being a talent. Wait, 261 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: I like my Twitter bio, says naysayer on the Around 262 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: the League podcast. That's true too. Mentioned you have used 263 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: our own logic against us. I also believe. I also 264 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: believe I have hosts of the h L podcast which 265 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: I can leverage that sometime the lockout. By the way, 266 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: Greg bio football like a boss. I like that. That's 267 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: the best Twitter bio out there. I don't want anyone 268 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: to use anything against me to football period. Where do 269 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: you think? What do you think Stephen Burbank does? By 270 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: the way, the rest of the year, he's just this arbitrator, 271 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: Like I imagine him living on top of a mountain 272 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: with like in the clouds and just bank. Every once 273 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: or two one or two years he comes and decrease 274 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: these things. You don't think he's like a judge, some 275 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: minor judge somewhere around. I think there's a condo somewhere 276 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: on the water where Steven Burbank and NFL gum shoots 277 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: head wells just hang out and wait for the phone 278 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: to ring or the bat signal to go out and 279 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: speaking a bat signal. TV sent out the bat sign 280 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: know for Matt money Smith. We're getting a lot of 281 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: heat on Twitter, people upset that our money tag intros 282 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: have not been updated in a while. But first of all, 283 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: everybody relax. It's the summer, so people aren't always around. 284 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: So Matt money Smith is doing his thing. He's very 285 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: busy man. He has his own radio show in one 286 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: of the biggest markets in the country. He's probably on 287 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: vacation somewhere exotic. I would imagine when he has been 288 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: Matt money Smith would be in the NFL studios. He 289 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: will record lots of money tags. We've got twenty five 290 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: or thirty of them ready to go, so keep sending 291 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: them good news and bad news. Good news, got Matt 292 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: money Smith and studio next week, some new money tags 293 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: next week bad news. Though, just like the American Dead 294 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: intrance season one where they have little heads well well 295 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: they used to have like a headline, you know, contextual 296 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: topical headline for each episode. They stopped after season one 297 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: because you kind of like run all the good stuff. 298 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that's gonna happen. Yeah, but we have, 299 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: well we have some good ones. They have shoved this 300 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: responsibility onto our listeners so want so if you have 301 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: an issue with the tags, you could put it on 302 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: the listenership. And I know they don't. They won't let 303 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: us down. So it's a little challenge, Yeah, a little 304 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: bit of chi. I like that you're challenging the audience. 305 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: Moving forward, Hey Mark, you want to talk a little 306 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: bit more about Rolando McClean. Here we go, because it 307 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: ain't yet just at the Dallas Cowboys have acquired Rolando 308 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: McClain from the Baltimore Ravens. Ravens, according to the league's 309 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: official transaction wire. The Ravens also included a seventh round 310 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: picking the deal and received a sixth round pick for 311 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: the trouble. McClean, of course, has been in and out 312 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: of retirement. Uh. He was a former number eight overall 313 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: picked by the Raiders in two thousand ten that didn't 314 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: work out with the Ravens. That didn't work out despite 315 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: as he knew, some really getting behind McClean. So now 316 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: he shipped to the Dallas Cowboys, who I guess could 317 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: use linebacker help. But this guy is not gonna help 318 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: anybody right Well, it's bad news for the Bills if 319 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: they are looking for linebacker help inside or outside. That 320 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: the level of talent out there right now forces Dallas 321 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: who needed someone to go look at Rolando McLean. And 322 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: I am all about first second and third chances. But 323 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: this guy's on chance number five. At this point, it 324 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: feels like and you know what, It comes back to 325 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: Ozzie Newsome, smartest general manager in football, finding a way 326 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: to get a draft pick out of a total train 327 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: wreck scenario. I have a challenge for three round all right? 328 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: It did? He did? He move up? Yes? He did? 329 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: I have a challenge for the three of you and 330 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: t D in any other line of work. Are you 331 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: familiar with anyone who was retired twice before the age 332 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: of m Maybe Ymnastic Pennis, maybe Jennifer Caprioti back in 333 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: the day. Remember all right, all right, I like where 334 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: you're going here. I can buy Jordan did it twice 335 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: before forty This is not Michael Jordan. Jordan loved basketball. 336 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: McClean is a little twisted on whether he likes football. Well, 337 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: may be the Cowboys are a little more widely than 338 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: we think putting together. Listen to this, Mark, I think 339 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: you'll like Landa McClain on the same team as Kyle Orton. 340 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: The two of them together, that could work out. I 341 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: don't know your negatives makes the positive. Chris Johnson doesn't 342 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: seem to be putting too much stock in the offseason 343 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: talk of a time share in the Jets backfield, and 344 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: a Tuesday conversation with Around the League's Dan Hansas, get hands. 345 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: I like that. Queue up your own music. Let's let's note, 346 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: by the way, what is today? July sewond the first 347 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: time Dan mentions himself in the third person, on the 348 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: first of many times to come, so predicted this back 349 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: to just remember that you're just a writer for Around 350 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: the League. Shut up, guys, let me get back to 351 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: what I was saying. In a Tuesday phone conversation with 352 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: Around the League's Dan Hanss, Johnson spoke confidently about being 353 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: the Jets primary ball carrier. Here's what Johnson said. Once 354 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: the season starts, and once we're playing and I'm doing 355 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: my thing, I'm pretty sure if I'm making plays and 356 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: they're going to want they're gonna want to keep handing 357 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: the ball off to me. If they want me to 358 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: continue making plays, I'm pretty sure I can't do that 359 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: on the sideline. He also added that as for the 360 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: time share and all that it won't be an issue. 361 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. This comes a week after Jets running 362 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: back coach Anthony Lynn said that the team needed to 363 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: uh limit what they did with Johnson to keep him 364 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: fresh given that he has UH career carries. So the 365 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: way I took it and the way I when I 366 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: spoke to him on the phone during the World Cup match, 367 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: which he had no idea was going on, by the way, 368 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: which I found funny. He's like, what's the score? I 369 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: was like, no score? Is like all right, um. He 370 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: he thinks all this talk about the time show, once 371 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: he gets the ball, he will be the same bell 372 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: cow guy he's been. Opinions vary on whether that's actually 373 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: gonna happen, though. I I guess if you've if you're 374 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: a Jets coaching staff and you've watched everything about Chris 375 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: Johnson over the last couple of years, and you consider 376 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: them to be a three down back at this point, 377 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: i'd be concerned about as a Jets fans in I'd 378 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: be concerned about your coaching staff. I went back and 379 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: watched um his college tape. There was a college highlight 380 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: reel that I really liked when he was entering the league. 381 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: Went back and watched that recently, and he was so 382 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: much faster, so much more aggressive, so much more physical 383 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: coming into the league than he's been the last couple 384 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: of years the Jets, as we've talked about in this podcast, 385 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: if they do this right, because he does not have 386 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: to be a three touch guy. They do this right 387 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: with Ivory and Johnson, with Powell mixed in a little bit. 388 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: Their running games should not be the thing that you're 389 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: worried about with their offense. It's about the quarterback situation 390 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: and whether they have enough weapons. This is a bit 391 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: of the problem though, of bringing in guys like Chris 392 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: Johnson and Michael Vick. Are expectations and managing those expectations 393 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: if they realize in week four that they're no longer 394 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: getting the same amount of work or you know, playing 395 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: time that they used to get. Yeah, they say, like 396 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: the hardest thing for a coach to do is manage 397 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: the ego of a former great player who is on 398 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: the other side of his prime. And the Jets have 399 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: two of those guys, and Vick and Johnson. So we'll 400 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: see how it works out. I'm sure we'll work at 401 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: always works out for the Jets. They got more than 402 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: a few years. I know anything about a Jet fan. 403 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: How do you like talking to Chris Johnson? You know, 404 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: he seemed moderately engaged, which which is more than I 405 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: could say for other people that I've had phone interviews with. 406 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: Usually i've talked. I talked to Chris Johnson in the 407 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: NFL Network studio last year, and he was engaged there 408 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: on the phone. Sometimes guys check out like a job 409 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: by Chris. Was he impressed with your interviewing skills? Well 410 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: clearly he mentioned that, Oh yeah, I buttered him up. 411 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: The first thing I said is c J three K right, buddy, silence. No, 412 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: I didn't. Dan preferred to himself in the third person twice. 413 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: He went back to that, you shouldn't be surprised. This 414 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: is all. This is all Their warning signs have been 415 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: out there for a while. Now I am god, here's 416 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: my spirit animal. All right, let's get into it. You ready. 417 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: We talked about Chris Westling's tight end preseason rankings and 418 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: I said it, and I said it last show two 419 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: shows ago. I'll say it every show, every time we 420 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: bring up West's rankings. If you're a football fan, you 421 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: better be reading what Westling's writing with these rankings, because 422 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: the dudes plugged in Mark Cecil, yes or no, I 423 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: would agree. If you're not a football fan, what are 424 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: you doing listening to this podcast. Get well, we don't 425 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: want to go down that road. It's just gonna be 426 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: a weird move. I wouldn't fight anyone who enjoys good 427 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: conversation to listen to the podcast and never watch the view. Uh. So, 428 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: Chris Westling now has written the preseason rankings are quarterbacks. 429 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: And of course, as I said at the top of 430 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: the show, ESPN Suspice just Lee rolled out their own 431 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: rankings less than twenty four hours later. So let's get 432 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: into it a little bit and imagine we might as well. 433 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: I guess start at the very top of the list 434 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: because it differs right off the top here, and uh 435 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: Chris Westling went with Mr Aaron Rodgers the Grand Bay 436 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: Packers alone at the top was the subhead, which is 437 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: a bold statement. Whereas the ESPN Mike Sandos story had 438 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,719 Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Peyton Manning tied the top what they 439 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: called the top tier of quarterbacks, and Rodgers and Wait 440 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: and Rodgers and Brice, so all four were at the 441 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: same level. Yeah, they did it on a rating where 442 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: he talked to a bunch of people in the league. 443 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: Basically they assigned and they have been It would have 444 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: been very easy for me to just have a top four. 445 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: But you didn't do that, Chris, because Aaron Rodgers is better. Yea, 446 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: So tell the best player in the NFL since the 447 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: Super Bowl run. He can make all the throws, he 448 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: can escape the pocket, he can play sand Lot style 449 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: if he needs to. He can read defenses if he 450 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: needs to. He can do everything all the other guys 451 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: are doing. Plus he's more physically gifted and in his prime. 452 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: You're not bothered at all about the fact that he 453 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: missed time last year and now is a few years 454 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: removed from playoffs success. No, that stuff worries you at all. 455 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: He missed time, which would bother me if I was 456 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: constructing a roster and it was between him and Andrew 457 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: Luck as we've discussed. But if we're talking about the 458 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: two thousand four team season alone, which I believe we are, 459 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: there's nobody you want rather than Aaron Rodgers. He's the 460 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: best player in the NFL. The gap between him and 461 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: the rest of the top quarterbacks in terms of athleticism 462 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 1: is far bigger than any gap mentally between Manning and 463 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: Brady and Breeze and Rogers. Because Rogers doesn't get credit 464 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: for but he's He's that guy that you're looking for 465 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: that knows the defenses, that is winning the game with 466 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: his head just as much as his well. They say 467 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: they credit him number one for what he does before 468 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: the snap, But he's a guy athletically that can make up. 469 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: He's unlike some more loafing quarterbacks. He can make up 470 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: for anything he sees later on. Can I play Devil's 471 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: advocate one more time here with Aaron Rodgers came back 472 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: from the injury, the classical injury. If he plays better 473 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: in that first round playoff game they win, they should 474 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: be the Niners. He did not play very well in 475 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: that game. Hey Manning plays better, and then super Bowl 476 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: they should beat the Seahawks. Oh come on, what do 477 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: you mean stack Aaron rodgers playoff record up against any 478 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: of these guys in his way better number. Rodgers is 479 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: riding a bit of a losing streak in the playoffs. 480 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: His numbers in the playoffs for his career are way 481 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: way better than Peyton made. But my point is in 482 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: that game, specifically a close game where Kaepernick, Kaepernick made 483 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: the players to move on, Aaron Rodgers did not have 484 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: a very sharp, sharp game. And my point, my answer 485 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: to that is in the Super Bowl. Peyton Manning did 486 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: not have a short You can take any one game 487 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: and blow it out of proportion. I think Rogers has 488 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: had spots where he hasn't been as consistent in terms 489 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: of dealing with pressure in the pocket. There was a 490 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: period early in the two thousand and twelve season, uh 491 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: when the pressure wasn't working rather and he started seeing things. 492 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: Can you name one quarterback about whom that's not true? 493 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: I think there are play I think Manning and Brady. 494 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: I want to invite you to watch Manning's feet in 495 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I think even even Rogers as big 496 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: as Backers Packers fans, would admit that he's gone up. 497 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: And you know when, like when you mentioned this with 498 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: Brady too, that he did this last year. Do you 499 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: know when established superstar quarterbacks start to crumble in the 500 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: pocket when you take away all their best receivers. Rogers 501 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: best receivers have been taken away. His past protection has 502 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: been if he This isn't like a bad sign, It's 503 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: just what happens to great quarterbacks when he's also around. 504 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: When he won that Super Bowl, which which began the 505 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: run where you felt he's been the best since he 506 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: won it with the fourth of that roster on into reserve. 507 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: So yeah, so let's now jump to all right, So 508 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: ye have Rogers the top not surprisingly, the tier right 509 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: below Rodgers is Brady Manning Breeze. No one's gonna argue 510 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: with you there. On the list. For the ESPN list, 511 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: the fifth name time in their top tier of quarterbacks 512 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: is Andrew Luck of the Colts West. You are very 513 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: high in Luck as well, but you have him in 514 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: the third category core of your list, which is at 515 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl Cali caliber, behind Ben Roethlisberger as well. So 516 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: the ESPN analysts are insiders are a little higher and 517 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: Luck right now than you are. And teams, no, not 518 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: at all. I don't think they're higher on him. I 519 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: have Luck and Roethlisberger basically tied for fiveth uh. And 520 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: I'm pointed out in the comments that Luck it shouldn't 521 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: surprise anybody if Luck is behind only Rogers by the 522 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: by this time next year. And I think Luck was 523 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: the one I got the most comments on when I 524 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: ranked it. I had him too high. So it does 525 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: my heart good to see the executives agree. It's interesting, 526 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: uh that Luck made the first tier from the NFL 527 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: side of things in terms of the evaluators, because for 528 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: the most part, on the ESPN list, they knocked the 529 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: young players. They weren't ready to crown the young orderbacks 530 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: too soon. But they're not only saying that luck is 531 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: there now. They would take him over Rivers and Roethlisberger. 532 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: It's an interesting question who would you rather have this season, 533 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger Andrew luck Mark. Give me a takeaway from 534 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: this list that you're seeing well, And it's something that 535 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: we talked about with Wesley and when he put this out, 536 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: is that the the big difference between the list that 537 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: ESPN went out and talked to a lot of executives 538 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: that have been around the game and looking at quarterbacks 539 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: a certain way for a long time, and the new 540 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: wave of quarterbacks, the Russell Wilson's, the r G three's, 541 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: the Cam Newton's, the more mobile passers. I agree with 542 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: Wesley and he has them higher up in general on 543 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: his list and believes that that style of play can 544 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: win football games. And we've seen that that's true with 545 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, r G three has been in the playoffs, 546 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: and so has Cam Newton. But the ESPN guys, the 547 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: people he talked to, at least Mike Sandoz seemed very 548 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: devoted to the more traditional pocket passer. I would say 549 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: the ones sub sprise surprise I had on the ESPN 550 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: list was Cam Newton. They have him, I have him 551 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: way higher. I have Kaepernick higher than they have him, 552 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,959 Speaker 1: and I have RG three higher than they have him, 553 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: and they have RG three buried. They have RG three 554 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: basically tied with Andy Dalton. I mean they have Manning, 555 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: Eli Manning. I'm in the top ten, tied with Romo 556 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson and Matt Ryan. Whereas to be it's 557 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: not much of a choice between Colin Kaepernick and Eli Manning, 558 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: Cam Newton or Eli Manning. The one young guy that 559 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: the NFL executives believe in other than Luck was Russell Wilson, 560 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: who was also tied there. But I don't know, I 561 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: can't see that you're really starting a team this year 562 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: would take Eli Manning over those guys. Did anyone watch 563 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: Eli Manning play last year? Eli Manning could lead the 564 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: league in interceptions four years in a row and you 565 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't get a different answered out of a lot of 566 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: personnel guys. If he's still going to be would and 567 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: that he pulled out if Eli Billingsley had the last 568 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: two seasons that Eli Mann just I don't know if 569 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: it's the name as much as the two rings. And 570 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: I think especially personnelman when they're in that building and 571 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: they obsess over winning a super Bowl, when they point 572 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: to a guy that has two super Bowl m v 573 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: P s, I think that there's a certain amount of 574 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: cred that that that guy gets forever. I think that 575 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: explains that RG three. I just want to go back 576 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: to him a second. Uh. This is some interesting quotes 577 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: about him. Uh. This is from Sando's piece. The veteran 578 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: qbi's I consulted separately crushed Griffin in that area. About 579 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: Griffin's personality, he does not take any blame. One of 580 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: them said a head coach placed Griffin in the fourth 581 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: tier of quarterbacks on this list, which is the bottom 582 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: tier for Sando, and said, I just don't think he 583 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: could play in the pocket. So you have the knee 584 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: issue whether he will ever be the same guy was 585 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: in his rookie year, plus some issues about or questions 586 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: about his makeup. So I guess that explains why he's 587 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: further down than maybe we would have put him. I 588 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: think it's fair to question whether he's ever going to 589 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: be a great pocket passer. I think a lot of 590 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: people have that question. But the question is about whether 591 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: he takes blame or not. This coming from two veteran 592 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: it sounds like rumor and innuendo to me. And it's 593 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: and we don't know Carl Carl rumor and Chaz innuendo. 594 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: I don't like those guys. This one threw me for 595 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: a loop. One head coach said he'd rather have Sam 596 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: Bradford than Russell Wilson purely from a talent standpoint. And 597 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: if that isn't Jeff Fisher, because although Bradford was ranked 598 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: one or something and Russell and we're fair, but it's 599 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: just it's it goes back to, you know, Russell Wilson's 600 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: going to have to continue to win people over. I 601 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: think because he defies that build. He's five ten. They 602 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: don't like that. They don't like a guy that rumbles 603 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: around and and circles around and does figure. Coach sounds 604 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,719 Speaker 1: a little confused. We're not asking which quarterback you'd rather 605 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: have from a physical talent standpoint, We're asking which quarterback 606 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: you would rather have. This guy just wanted to say 607 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: he likes Sam Bradford's arm. Robert Griffin the third. By 608 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: the way, it's tied with Andy Dalton on this list. 609 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: Imagine how different it would be a year ago. There's 610 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: no way our three would be down that load. But 611 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: I think it speaks to something you know, I've talked 612 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: about with you guys. He's the quarterback of all these 613 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: guys that I think has the most range of possible 614 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: career outcomes. You could tell me that he's going to 615 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: be a multiple time pro bowler and we'll be talking 616 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: about him for the Hall of Fame someday and that 617 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me. And he could have a thoroughly mediocre, 618 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: ultimately middle of the road, disappointing career and that wouldn't 619 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: really shock me that much either. It would shock me 620 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: if cam Newton had that kind of career or if 621 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick. Did I agree with you about that? And 622 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: then at the bottom of the list for espn uh 623 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: disheartening to see this Gino Smith at number thirty two, 624 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: behind the likes of Jake Locker thirty one, Ryan Fitzpatrick, 625 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: if it's Patrick thirty, Brian Hoyer, Matt Castle, Wes you 626 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: have a similar take on Gino. I think you kind 627 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: of give him maybe a little more of a chance 628 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: and some of the people that we're speaking about him 629 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: in the ESPN article, Yeah, I think he went through 630 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: one of the roughest stretchers I've ever seen by a 631 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: quarterback last year. That doesn't bode well. But he also 632 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: had the game winning drive against the Falcons. I think 633 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: he had another game winning driver to the do Bob Well. 634 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: I have some questions about him. I don't think he's 635 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: better than Michael Vick, but we shall see. Well, I 636 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: don't think we've seen Gino play with any talent around 637 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: him either, and and that was something that would have 638 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: hamstrung a lot of these young quarterbacks last year. Where 639 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: would you put Gino though, damn probably eight around there. 640 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: Who would you bury behind him? I want the name. 641 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: I want want to just give me one or two 642 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: guys that you would I could do that for you 643 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: would let me help you out, Matt shob Brian job 644 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: I put Fitzpatrick behind him, Hoyer Castle, I'd agree with 645 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: all that, Henny. Maybe, I mean they're all in that. 646 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: The most surprising name on the list in terms of 647 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: ranking from the ESPN side to me was Nick Foles, 648 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: that he was solidly into their second tier, ahead of 649 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: guys like r G three. One evaluator said, based on 650 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: what he saw, he put Nick Foles in the top tier, 651 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: that he was the top five type of quarterback. Do 652 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: we quarterback to a little split on him? Right? They 653 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: were one guy one guy really liked him, but they 654 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: put him number fifteen right in the middle, definitely a 655 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: little lower than you. You put Nick Foles in a 656 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: category called borderline franchise, and this is who's in the category, 657 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: Alex Smith, Nick Foles, Andy Dalton, Palmer, Tannehill, and mccount 658 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: and I don't really have a big problem with that, 659 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 1: but you have them solidly below guys like Stafford, Cutler, Flacco, 660 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: Eli Manning, and I would say these two quotes from 661 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: ESPNS g MS one GM called Fools a four who 662 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: played like a two. I think that's exactly what I was. Uh, 663 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: Fools could be a Carrie Collins or Jake de lom 664 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: a three who plays like a two or a four. 665 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: I think that's about where he is. Let's see who 666 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: he is after two or three years, not how he 667 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: did throwing great screens in Chip Kelly system West before 668 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: we go, the last question, and for you of this list, 669 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: who would be the biggest um who would be most 670 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: likely to ascend the highest or fall the furthest That's 671 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: a good question, thanks a lot. I might have to 672 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: be prepped for that, Cutler. No, No, definitely, I would 673 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: say r G three could ascend the highest and RG 674 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: three could fall the lowest. Backing up Greg's point, I 675 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: would also like to point out, for the last point, 676 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: a month after ESPN manufactured a debate about Tom Brady 677 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: falling apart and declining all the gm s that ESPN 678 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: interviewed said, that's hogwash. Those questions have lost their evaluating skills. 679 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: Still want the best, if not the best another GM, 680 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: the best football player quarterback in this league. M hm. 681 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: And what I tweeted out about a week ago after 682 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: I watched all of brady snaps, No one, not even 683 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: Brady himself, can convince me he's slipping or no, no 684 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: longer one of the NFL's best players. Tom Brady still awesome. 685 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: I like what I'm hearing Greg hopping up and down. 686 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: The gifted life of a Patriots fan. All right, let's 687 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: before we get out of here, let's do a little 688 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: more making the leap talk. And we initially had not 689 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: We're planned to skip around a little bit. We weren't 690 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: going to talk about the Packers making the leap guys 691 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: on the podcast, but that a Packers fan tweeted at us, 692 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: and this is the importance of the social media age 693 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: and communicating and staying in touch with the listeners said 694 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: we want Packers talk. So that's what we're gonna do. 695 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 1: Chris Westling broke down Green Bay Packers defensive ends Dayton 696 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: Jones and Mike Daniels is two players he believe will 697 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: help fortify that defense and make them take the leap 698 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: in two thousand fourteen. And now Chris Westling, the scientist, 699 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: the mail man, will tell us why with the impetus 700 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: for this pairing word thank you. Happened at the NFL 701 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: scouting combine when we were sitting there, Marked and Greg 702 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: and I were sitting in the chairs while McCarthy was talking, 703 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: and he mentioned Dayton Jones as a guy who's hyper 704 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: and athletic will make the leap this year. He I 705 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: think he used the words making the jump, so that 706 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: really perked up our ears. It doesn't sound as good 707 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: that sounds like something you would do over a chasm. Yeah, 708 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:29,439 Speaker 1: made the jump. Come on, McCarthy together deserve being named 709 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: after Yeah, oh yeah, Just one second, this talk of 710 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,760 Speaker 1: naming a street in Green Bay after Mike McCarthy. Everybody 711 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: calmed down. One ring. Not a lot of success in 712 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Otherwise, I understand Vince Lombardy, sure, Mike Holgren 713 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: and Mike McCarthy, I know that one I'm not crazy about. 714 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: But okay, they almost come. They almost paved over that 715 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: street when uh, when they saw what happened in Cleveland. 716 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 1: I can't wait till the day when Dan encounters Mike 717 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: McCarthy and Chip Kelly two on one in a dark 718 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: alley and somewhere in Northern I. It is over what 719 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: that's the biggest question. That's the thing I'd be most 720 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: worried about. They also doing dom Capers children's playground right 721 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: near the stadium two to five year olds. Huh sounds horrible. 722 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: West So Dayton Jones was on our radar, and Mike 723 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 1: Daniels is a guy who kind of jumped off the 724 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: film last year when you watch the Packers, and really 725 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: I expected for Dayton Jones to be more impressive because 726 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: he has a higher pedigree. He was the first round pick. 727 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: McCarthy talked him up so much, but when you watched 728 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,919 Speaker 1: the film, Jones was playing with a high ankle spring 729 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: for most of the year. Has his athleticism wasn't really there. 730 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: So we're going most mostly on what the coaches tell 731 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: us here. But Mike Daniels is absolutely a monster. He's relentless. 732 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: He's chasing down quarterbacks from behind, chasing down running backs 733 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: from behind, stuffing running back to the line of scrimmage. 734 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: He drew some comparisons to uh or let's let me 735 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: put it another way, Ram's first round pick, Aaron Donald 736 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,320 Speaker 1: drew some comparisons to Mike Daniels. Was tells you a 737 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: lot about how much how good Mike Daniels was. He's 738 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: better than a fourth round pick, which is what he 739 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: was coming out of Iowa, in part because he was 740 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,439 Speaker 1: undersized and in part because he had a torn labor 741 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: im in college. They're that Packers defense is kind of 742 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: like the RG three of defenses in terms of there's 743 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,359 Speaker 1: a huge range of what I could see. They could 744 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,399 Speaker 1: be really good. On paper, they look like they could 745 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: be great, and yet every year I kind of think 746 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: they're going to be better and Dom Capers, at least 747 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: for the last few years, hasn't been able to pull 748 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: it all together. That's a good comparison. I said, I 749 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: would be shocked if r G three doesn't win Comeback 750 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: Player of the Year award, and I would be shocked 751 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: at the Packers defense isn't the most improved unit in 752 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: the NFL. Does it help Jones to have all this 753 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: other talent back around him to help him maybe be 754 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: used in a way that just let's get him to 755 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: do what he does well? I think so, and I 756 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 1: think it can't help there. It can't hurt to have 757 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: Julius Peppers, who has been one of the best defensive 758 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: ends of the past decade there for pointers. And I 759 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: think you'll see a lot of Nickel packages where they 760 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: use Daniels and Jones as the two lineman the Russia passer. 761 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: So I think the opportunities will be there when we're 762 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: putting them making the leap though, here's gotta be some 763 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: potential for stardom. Do you think Daniels has that sort 764 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: of thing? This problem with this defense is it feels 765 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of bees b pluses, but not 766 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: enough star types. I think I could easily see double 767 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: digit sacks out of Mike Daniels. He he led the 768 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: Packers in hurries last year, finishing the top five or 769 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: six of Pro Football Focus his rankings for defensive ends, 770 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: and that was wallowing playing half the snaps. If you 771 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: can get him up to seventy the snaps, I think 772 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 1: he'll really shine. And one final thought on Tom Caper's 773 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: who was referenced in regard to his playground earlier, which 774 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: may be fictional or not. I'm not sure if you're joking, 775 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: but is it real children's playground ages two to five? 776 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 1: And I'm actually going on a trip with my family 777 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,720 Speaker 1: just to visit it. If he if the Packers defense 778 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: lets everyone down again, I think the teflon dom will 779 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: finally uh lose his job in Green Bay. He's been 780 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: there a long time, a lot of bad defenses. Well, 781 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: we'll see if he can get it together this time. Alright, 782 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: moving forward, that's what his hairpieces made out of. That's 783 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: the thought of Greg Rosenthal. Greg Roseenhal alone t D 784 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: shaking his head and how did I get involved with 785 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: his project? Let's move on to number eight on the list. 786 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: Number eight where in the elite eight Mark will call it. 787 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: I made that up Number eight Jaguars running back Toby Gerhardt, 788 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: who of course signed with the Jags after serving as 789 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: the understudy to Adrian Peterson in Minnesota for a few seasons. 790 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: The Jags are asking Garihart to become the type of 791 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: lead back that can rush for you know, twelve yards 792 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,879 Speaker 1: or more and be a guy that they can build 793 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: the offense around. On some level, Mark Sessler is in 794 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 1: on the Jaguars franchise as a whole. That's Mark Sessler's 795 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 1: all in on the Jags thirteen to sixteen wins, I 796 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: think is where market right now. I have not voiced that, 797 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: so of course he's in on Toby Gerhart making the 798 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: leap mark. Actually I wanted I went in with a 799 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: suspicious eye because I feel when we talk about this 800 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: making leap series Gearhart from the Minuti signed with Jacksonville, 801 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: or really when we when we talked about him as 802 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: a free and obvious making the leave type candidate, because 803 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,839 Speaker 1: he does have the resume. In college, he was an 804 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 1: absolute workhorse for Stanford. Their college coach said that they 805 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: changed the way that they ran their entire offense because 806 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,879 Speaker 1: of what he gave them during his junior and senior year. 807 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 1: But then he goes to Minnesota. He essentially goes a 808 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: well and vanishes off the planet behind Adrian Peterson. But 809 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: in the eight times that he played to fill in 810 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: for Peterson, he averaged ninety nine point four yards in 811 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: nineteen touches that I wanted to go in. There aren't 812 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: a lot of snaps. There were a couple of seasons 813 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: where he only had, you know, thirty carries. There just 814 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of film to watch compared to some 815 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: of these other guys. But he was impressive because a 816 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: lot faster for a big guy who's kind of built 817 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 1: like an old school full back slash running back type. 818 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: He has wheels, The guy can move, and he's good 819 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: at breaking tackles. He had a four point seven yards 820 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,320 Speaker 1: per carry coming out of the Vikings. I think the 821 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: challenge for him will be he's not playing behind that 822 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: Vikings offensive line, which has been pretty good over the 823 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: years and done a good job for Peterson. And I 824 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: think teams know that if the Jaguars are going to 825 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: run a Seahawks style offense, where he's going to be 826 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: that Marshawn Lynch type ball carrier. They're gonna line up 827 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 1: and they're gonna go after him. When we uh, when 828 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: we were preparing for free agency, I was tasked with 829 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,839 Speaker 1: coming up with a free agency sleepers list, and one 830 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,800 Speaker 1: of the reasons Toby Gerhardt was on it is because 831 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 1: outside of questionable lateral lateral agility, he doesn't really have 832 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 1: a weakness as a runner. Like you said, he's fast 833 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: for a big guy. He breaks tackles, he passed, protects, 834 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 1: he catches the ball well, He's fundamentally solid and he 835 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 1: has actual second round pedigree talent. Yeah, it's like when 836 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: I had to do the obstacles I from the tape, 837 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: I saw there wasn't this. There wasn't a part of 838 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: his game. Some running backs can't pass, protect, they can't 839 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 1: they can't catch. There not this, So that with him, 840 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 1: it was more like the Jaguars are my concern. They 841 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,479 Speaker 1: didn't get Alex Mack. That would have been the huge 842 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 1: thing for them. Had they've done that, Can they can 843 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,880 Speaker 1: they open the holes for him? My consernative he's not 844 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: that special of a player that he's okay, that maybe 845 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: he's good at doing a little bit of everything. He 846 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of another backup that got 847 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: a full time job and did pretty well. The guy 848 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,800 Speaker 1: who was in Minnesota before Adrian Peterson, Chester Taylor. Different 849 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,399 Speaker 1: players but the same. He's way more talented than Chester 850 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 1: Twe I don't know to be I don't even think 851 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,280 Speaker 1: it's closed. I think he's way more talented. See Caldwell, 852 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: who was under the mitchro often part of the Falcons 853 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: organization when they hauled in Michael Turner. He dismissed all 854 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: these ideas that everyone wants to say Gearhart is Peyton hallis, 855 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 1: or he's so and so, and maybe because he's white, 856 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 1: let's compare an other white running back. Do you have 857 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: anything to say about that but that that obviously happens. 858 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: And Caldwell said he sees Michael Turner. Now that maybe 859 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,719 Speaker 1: a lead to I don't know, but that's a com 860 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: I think Turner has a little more power and a 861 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: little more burst. But Gerhardt, to me, is more like 862 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,760 Speaker 1: Michael Turner as a runner than Chester Taylor. Over undertime 863 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,920 Speaker 1: before where you get out of here, two fifty carries, 864 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: Toby get heard way over. Yeah, I'm going over with 865 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: that easily, over fifty yards. I'm going over that's a 866 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:18,439 Speaker 1: perfect number. I'll go under. I will go over. Fifty receptions. Oh, 867 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: it's a lot of catches. I'll go under, but I 868 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: think you'll probably be in the forties. I'll go under. Yeah, 869 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be close. But that that's a 870 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: tough team to tell passing wise under. Finally, seven touchdowns 871 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,840 Speaker 1: combined under. Really I'm gonna go over for once. I 872 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,279 Speaker 1: don't expect that offense to be scoring in waves? Can 873 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: I say push and say seven? Very sizzler? Uh TD 874 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: what your thoughts? Final? Take final? Over and under until 875 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,359 Speaker 1: we get hard big enough season and uh Madden cover 876 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 1: like Pagan hillis Oh? Interesting? That would be crazy if 877 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,919 Speaker 1: at Jacksonville Jaguars running back was the cover of Matt 878 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 1: But I guess that's still done and I don't I'm 879 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: not sure that's gonna work. Madam covers a joke. All right, 880 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: that's it for today's Compare another White. Your agenda is noted. 881 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: Let's see what's going on here. You're flouting alright. So 882 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: that's it for Wednesday's edition of the Round the League podcast. 883 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: We will be back next week with another new show. 884 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,279 Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal's gonna disappear on us for a while, but 885 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: he on vacation, but he might be involved with the 886 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: podcast because that's how much he loves it and how 887 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: much he cares about the listeners. Right, Greg, I think 888 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: I'll be here for at least one of the shows 889 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: next week. Yes, Mark smirking, almost excited to know, and 890 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,719 Speaker 1: Greg won't be in the No, no, no, I'm I'm 891 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,320 Speaker 1: smiling because that's the same formula I used, drop in 892 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 1: for one show and then vanished. Mark just wants to 893 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: go to more meetings. Yeah you Mark, please, time to 894 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,279 Speaker 1: step up? Please, this is your chance alright, so yes, 895 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,800 Speaker 1: until next week. This is Dan Hanzas signing off for 896 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: a Sizzler, the Boss, the Mailman of course, t D 897 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,720 Speaker 1: forever and always not behind the glass until Monday.