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Speaker 1: This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. I just announced

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Speaker 1: all my tour dates. They just went on sale this week.

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Speaker 1: It's called the High and Mighty Tour. I will be

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Speaker 1: starting debuting my new material. Well I've already started debuting

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Speaker 1: my new material, but in an organized tour form in

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Speaker 1: February of next year. So I'm coming to Washington, d

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Speaker 1: c Norfolk, Virginia, Madison, Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Detroit, Michigan, Cleveland, Columbus,

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Speaker 1: and Cincinnati, Ohio, Denver, Colorado, Portland, Maine, Providence, Rhode Island, Springfield, Massachusetts, Chicago,

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Speaker 1: of course, Indianapolis, Indiana, Louisville, Kentucky, Albuquerque, Masa, Arizona, Kansas City, Missouri,

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis, Missouri, Minneapolis, Minnesota, Nashville, Tennessee, Charlotte, North Carolina, Durham,

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Speaker 1: North of Carolina, Saratoga, California, Monterey, California, Modesto, California, and

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Speaker 1: port Chester, New York, Boston, Massachusetts, Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington.

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Speaker 2: I will be touring.

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Speaker 1: From February through June. Those are the cities that I'm in.

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Speaker 1: Pre sale started last week, so tickets are flying. I

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Speaker 1: haven't added second shows yet, but we probably will be

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Speaker 1: to some of these, So go get your tickets now

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Speaker 1: if you want good seats and you want to come

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Speaker 1: see me perform, I will be on the High and

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Speaker 1: Mighty tour.

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Speaker 3: Well Hi, Chelsea, what's up?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 1: I had a photo shoot yesterday for the cover of

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Speaker 1: Snow magazine, which is like a ski magazine. So I

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Speaker 1: had a cover so I was like, Oh good, I

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Speaker 1: don't have to worry about my body at all because

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Speaker 1: I'll be in ski clothes.

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Speaker 2: And then I woke up. I was so excited.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yay, I just get to have to be

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Speaker 1: smiling and muffy thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I.

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Speaker 1: Looked at the mood board for the photo shoot and

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Speaker 1: guess who's in a bathing suit on skis.

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Speaker 3: As Yeah, yeah, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I can't. How can I What

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Speaker 1: am I going to say to that I don't do that?

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Speaker 1: So then I got I was like, oh fuck. So

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Speaker 1: I texted my makeup artists and I was like, bring

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Speaker 1: body makeup. Obviously watching on your sore, conjuring everywhere. I

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Speaker 1: was like, I have cell you light in places that

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Speaker 1: are not cute, you're not used to.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I'm used to it.

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Speaker 1: I've had it for a long time, but it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, like you could prep yourself.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it was just it ended up being

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Speaker 2: a great photo shoot.

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Speaker 1: The photographer was there and the first thing he said

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Speaker 1: to me was, I know you like to take your

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Speaker 1: time with everything, and then we all burst out laughing

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Speaker 1: because clearly he got the memo that everything is as

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Speaker 1: fast as possible, as quick as possible, and that's how

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Speaker 1: I like sex too, Let's go hurry up. So it

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Speaker 1: was actually ended up being a really good photo shoot.

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Speaker 1: I got some hot photos out of that, hopefully. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if not, they'll just have to retouch them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's easy.

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Speaker 4: I'm not against that, just as long as I don't

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Speaker 4: use AI and give you seven fingers.

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Speaker 3: On one hand, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I saw another bad AI this morning. It looks like

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Speaker 1: AI is having a meltdown, truly. There was a big

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Speaker 1: AI that came out last week right that got panned

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Speaker 1: because it was giving misinformation about former presidents and the states,

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Speaker 1: the names of states, like it was basic information. So

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Speaker 1: it was like sounded like it was crashing. But I

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Speaker 1: still don't even really understand AI and I do. It

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Speaker 1: does help me a lot with my Spanish. Oh that

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Speaker 1: I mean more than my Spanish instructure. Like when I

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Speaker 1: ask AI to can break down the difference between like

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Speaker 1: KDAR and you know another guardar, and because I don't

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Speaker 1: understand the difference, it will really I'm like, oh, this

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Speaker 1: is good INPROOD, but I try not to use it

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Speaker 1: because I heard that every time you use it, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're basically like killing you know, a far rounding trees.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, when I try. This is actually good for

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Speaker 4: people to know because I don't like to use it either.

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Speaker 4: And Google sort of automatically makes you do it now,

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Speaker 4: So if you don't want to use AI, you can

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Speaker 4: type your search in like where are my tomato plants dying?

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Speaker 4: Which is what I typed in recently, and then you

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Speaker 4: do the little minus sign and AI. So you type

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Speaker 4: in your search minus AI and it won't give you AI.

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Speaker 3: For Google Yah and Chrome, yes, I think in Chrome.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what the difference is really,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, minus AI, I see, because it always says

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Speaker 1: AI generated Yes exactly. Okay, Well that's good to know.

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Speaker 1: At some point you're gonna have to explain to me.

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Speaker 1: What Reddit is and substack, because I somehow I'm a

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Speaker 3: I actually think that I'm prepared to do that right now?

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, great, I am. Well.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Reddit the other day during an interview and

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Speaker 1: you're like, you're all over Reddit to someone and I

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Speaker 2: Of course I heard. I've heard of Reddit, but I'm

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Speaker 2: not on it, So what do I say.

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Speaker 4: I didn't start using it that much until recently. But

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Speaker 4: basically Reddit is almost like people can go in and

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Speaker 4: post their opinions or ask questions, and like other people

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Speaker 4: will comment on it. So to use the same example,

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Speaker 4: like I can go in and say like, hey, why

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Speaker 4: why are my zucchinis.

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Speaker 3: Not growing properly?

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Speaker 4: And I'll have seventeen people be like, Oh, you need

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Speaker 4: to use this kind of fertilizer or you need to

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Speaker 4: water them more and they're not getting enough sunlight.

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Speaker 3: So it's like real people answering your questions.

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Speaker 4: And I'm finding it really helpful in the age of AI,

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Speaker 4: because half of the time an AI answer is wrong.

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Speaker 3: Right, is it? That's what I mean.

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Speaker 1: My cousins told me that Google's wrong too, like that

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Speaker 1: Google's just an aggregate of all this information so that

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Speaker 1: sometimes it gives you correct information and then sometimes it

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Speaker 1: just gives you random information.

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Speaker 3: That is true.

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Speaker 4: But I find AI is like kind of just going

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Speaker 4: and getting random stuff and like putting a little synopsis,

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Speaker 3: Like like fifty percent of the time it's not true.

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Speaker 4: I find So this is actually real people answering your question,

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Speaker 4: which could also not be true.

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Speaker 3: That's that's true.

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Speaker 2: There's something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to take a little bit with a

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Speaker 4: But it's also there's a dark side of Reddit where

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Speaker 4: there's like all kinds of bad stuff. You don't want

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Speaker 4: to go on that side of Reddit, Like what like

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Speaker 4: I don't I mean like nasty porn and stuff like

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Speaker 4: not normal porn, like not good.

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Speaker 1: Why can't there be one platform that's just good and nice,

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Speaker 2: Why does everything go to shit?

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm scared of AI so much, because it's like,

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Speaker 1: of course there's going to be good stuff that comes

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Speaker 1: out of it, but there's going to be so much

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Speaker 1: bad stuff that comes out, so much bad stuff. When

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Speaker 1: I heard on that yeah that they have self preservation,

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: That the bad guys that AI.

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Speaker 1: Has basically been engineered now to understand, well, not intentionally,

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Speaker 1: but to understand that if you're shutting down a system

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Speaker 1: and replacing it with a higher performing, more nuanced system,

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Speaker 1: more and more comprehensive system, it will fight to remain alive,

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Speaker 1: like a fucking alien World war Z or like the Terminator.

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Speaker 3: I know we've had these movies before.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, we did, and that's where we got all

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Speaker 1: these ideas. I mean, talk about stupid and stupid.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what.

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Speaker 4: On that note, let's have a little bit of a

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Speaker 4: nice transition into a nice response we got from a listener.

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Speaker 3: I can say nice a few more times if we

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Speaker 3: need to.

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Speaker 4: So Deanna called in on our Rachel Bloom episode several

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Speaker 4: months ago, and she had.

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Speaker 3: Lost a beloved dog and you advised her to get

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Speaker 3: a new one. Stet So she said.

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Speaker 2: Oh I forgot dog.

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Speaker 3: Oh shit, is he at home? Yes?

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Speaker 2: I forgot to bring him.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, No, I forgot I meant to bring

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Speaker 1: him today anyway, Okay, go.

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Speaker 4: On, that's okay because one of our guests that we're

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Speaker 4: recording with today is actually bringing her dog.

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Speaker 3: So well, we all have a dog.

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Speaker 4: But she said, we did take Chelsea said, we met

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Speaker 4: and picked up our new lover today. His name is Jupiter.

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Speaker 4: We love hiking the mountains together. She's in Colorado. The

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Speaker 4: advice really helped and made us feel much less It

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Speaker 4: made me feel much less alone in my grief.

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Speaker 3: All the best, Deanna.

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Speaker 2: That's cute.

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Speaker 1: And then for a nickname, Juw, I mean that'll work

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Speaker 1: out nicely, excellent.

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Speaker 3: Preat preat.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So we do have a question, okay, caller, and

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Speaker 4: I think this is specifically a really good question for you.

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Speaker 3: So m Rossio is calling in from Rome. She Rome, Wow,

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Speaker 3: how did we work that time different?

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Speaker 2: So you know what? Actually?

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Speaker 4: Like our pre interview call was dangerously middle of the

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Speaker 4: night for her, but this one is like early evening.

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Speaker 4: So her subject line is should I fake a psychedelic trip?

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Speaker 4: Dear Chelsea, My name is Rossio and a forty six

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Speaker 4: year old single woman writing to you from Rome. I

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Speaker 4: need some advice and couldn't think of anyone better than

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Speaker 4: you for this one. I don't drink alcohol, never have,

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Speaker 4: I don't smoke, don't even drink coffee for that matter.

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Speaker 4: I just have never been interested in any of it.

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Speaker 4: I think it's mostly because I'm autistic diagnosed about fifteen

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Speaker 4: years ago. I've done my work in therapy and can

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Speaker 4: say I'm very happy where it has all led me.

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Speaker 4: I do still have some issues with OCD and letting

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Speaker 4: go of control. Some years ago, a friend of mine,

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Speaker 4: also autistic, suggested I take MDMA to help me with that.

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Speaker 4: I considered it for a long while, but never got

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Speaker 4: myself to do it. Back then, well, three years ago,

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Speaker 4: I was with a childhood friend who now lives in Barcelona.

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Speaker 4: He had just broken up with a boyfriend and was

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Speaker 4: sad and alone in Amsterdam. So I hopped on a

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Speaker 4: It was there that he proposed we take MDMA together,

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Speaker 4: and without overthinking it too much for once, I just did.

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Speaker 4: For anyone who has experienced it, you know how amazing

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Speaker 4: your first Molly trip can be. From that day on,

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Speaker 4: me and my friend decided we would trip together and

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Speaker 4: help each other sort out our personal difficulties.

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Speaker 3: We trust each other.

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Speaker 4: And feel safe sharing our innermost thoughts without being judged,

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Speaker 4: and so it began. Every three months he would come

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Speaker 4: to Rome or I would go to Barcelona for our

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Speaker 4: spiritual retreats as we call them. We do this indoors

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Speaker 4: at home with our chill music, and it's done miracles

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Speaker 4: for us, truly life changing.

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Speaker 3: About six months.

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Speaker 4: Ago, I switched things up a bit by introducing LSD

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Speaker 4: into the picture. It blew our minds. If Molly had

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Speaker 4: helped so far, then LSD just took us to a

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Speaker 4: whole new level of awareness. The thing is, Chelsea, we

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Speaker 4: Am I overthinking? And should I just trip with him?

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Speaker 2: Ros Ceo Hi, roe Ceo, Hi, Hi? How are you mine?

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Speaker 5: I'm so excited about this advice you're about to give

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Speaker 1: First of all, I would always advise that if you

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Speaker 1: Now that's you being a woman and being hard scarred

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Speaker 1: That is like the badge that we wear, and we shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Like I guarantee you he's going to be looked down

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Speaker 4: And I wonder if there's like something you can do

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Speaker 5: Because I mean, because he's like very like hyperactive and everything,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you overdid it and you have to be you

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, it sounds like you you got to the

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Speaker 1: And let him know before he makes the trip so

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Speaker 2: I still want to hang out. I think we can

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Speaker 1: You can even like catalog if you haven't done this already,

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Speaker 1: Review, you know what I mean of everything, like a

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Speaker 2: Like another way to like kind of you know, have

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Speaker 4: Or even you could see like a shaman or go

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you take care of you and and then

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Speaker 2: But yes, please look out for yourself. Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 3: For calling in.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and well that was our minisode for the week.

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Speaker 3: Catherine, all right, well we'll see you guys.

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Speaker 2: Feel minide okay, okay, bye, guys.

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Speaker 1: Bye.

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