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Speaker 1: Tuesday here from the Star in Frisco. Welcome in everybody.
Speaker 1: It's another OP season edition. As it is May twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Ot a's are officially underway, and we
Speaker 1: will break it down for you. We haven't gotten to
Speaker 1: see a whole lot what we have heard some things,
Speaker 1: and we of course have news and notes. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about some OTA stuff. We're gonna take your questions
Speaker 1: from Twitter. By the way, you can go tweet at
Speaker 1: me at Kyle Underscore Yeoman's. Get your questions out there.
Speaker 1: We'll answer those coming up in the second segment. As always,
Speaker 1: Chris being running the show in the back, heck My Harrison,
Speaker 1: Isaiah stand back, Rob Phillips, I'm Kyle Yeoman's. Gentlemen, how
Speaker 1: are we doing good goods? Swell. Feel a little bit
Speaker 1: better now that football is kind of back in the
Speaker 1: air here. Oh heck, yeah, a little bit. Can't wait
Speaker 1: to hear some pads, you know here in a little while,
Speaker 1: Pad's clicking, clicks popping. Almost there. When is Pad's get on?
Speaker 1: When do they get on? Oh? A few days into camp,
Speaker 1: real training camp. Yeah, so not just yet, but not
Speaker 1: just got a little bit away, not too far away?
Speaker 1: Under seven weeks? Is it really? Actually? I think it's
Speaker 1: six weeks from today. Yeah, crazy's training. We're gonna blink,
Speaker 1: man they leave. Is I think it's six weeks from today?
Speaker 1: I may be wrong. Let me let me double chatty
Speaker 1: in my hate it was like two and a half
Speaker 1: months away. No, yeah, no, it's not that far away.
Speaker 1: I got June. You checked your inbox yet, because it's
Speaker 1: probably got a couple of emails about training camp dates.
Speaker 1: It has this. Yeah, I remember, I'm just a country guy.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm saying it's just as important to you.
Speaker 1: Said they divided the room, right, you know what I'm saying? Hey, good,
Speaker 1: we were Hey, we were all in practice. We were
Speaker 1: we were we were all in rookie unity camp. We
Speaker 1: all enjoyed rookie man camp. I definitely was walking back
Speaker 1: to Robbiella. Wherever rob go, I'm going in your pocket.
Speaker 1: Who got drafted here? Who played here? And who's just
Speaker 1: a you know, just a guy. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't buy that. I don't buy. So that's my role.
Speaker 1: That's what I do. I connect myself. I carry something, microphone, cam,
Speaker 1: y'all need me to carry. So absolutely, I'm on my
Speaker 1: way consolutely. Can I puts? I mean, that's what you
Speaker 1: gotta do. What you gotta do. Ye gotta do what
Speaker 1: you gotta do unless your I say it. Nah, they
Speaker 1: don't know me around here, me for condentials every corner
Speaker 1: I go. We did the math back here, it's nine
Speaker 1: weeks and three days. Hey from now? Yes, and happens
Speaker 1: as well. It was almost That's when I start counting
Speaker 1: how many weekends I have left at home? Thanks Chris,
Speaker 1: Now I know, wow, nine weekends left. I don't know
Speaker 1: where I got that number. There's anxiety that I didn't need,
Speaker 1: did you just I'm thinking like vacation. Yeah, as I
Speaker 1: was saying in my head, I'm like two and a
Speaker 1: half months, Coles is six weeks. I'm like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I got that number. Means that
Speaker 1: means this show starting to wind down a little bit here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: means we got like four shows left and then it's one, two, three,
Speaker 1: camcoun pretty much you're taking us to Cancoon yaalk going
Speaker 1: to rob pee Island. Let's do that. Yeah, Chris, you
Speaker 1: come to all right? Sound making a five man triple
Speaker 1: charge to the car. Let's go, all right, Rob? What's
Speaker 1: been going on? News and notes around Cowboys Nation this
Speaker 1: past week? Didn't have you last week? Glad you're back,
Speaker 1: and anything specific going on OTA is getting underway. We
Speaker 1: just we just mentioned that. So no pads, but finally
Speaker 1: some some eleven on eleven we'll get to see over
Speaker 1: the next few weeks. And I think they're only having
Speaker 1: eight of these instead of nine. I think Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: prefers to after Memorial Day week and just have two
Speaker 1: that week, then three and then Mini Camp and then
Speaker 1: it's time to break break camp get ready for Oxen Art.
Speaker 1: So we'll see a little bit of a continuation what
Speaker 1: we saw on rookie Camp. We'll see how the rookies
Speaker 1: adjust to the veterans, and it'll be nice to see
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, I assume doing all the things Like last
Speaker 1: year he was anytime there was a pass rush, they
Speaker 1: had him in bubble wrap, so coming off the injury.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting how like as we dive into this,
Speaker 1: it's it's shifted a little bit. Like last year was
Speaker 1: this blank slate for the defense. We had no idea
Speaker 1: really what to expect with dan Quinn coming in. Now
Speaker 1: we have a picture of it and it's it's flipped
Speaker 1: like offensively, there's a lot for them to kind of
Speaker 1: figure out and change the dynamics around Dak Prescott this year.
Speaker 1: So that's something to watch for as we get going here.
Speaker 1: It's kind of been those dynamics that have been shifting
Speaker 1: through the draft process, through the guys that they brought
Speaker 1: in this offseason, and I'm sure there's gonna be plenty
Speaker 1: of eyes on guys like Dante Fowler, Junior James Washington
Speaker 1: because of really the lack of additions from a free
Speaker 1: agent standpoint, there's a lot of pressure on those guys
Speaker 1: to come in and perform. But heckma, when you're looking
Speaker 1: at the specifics of OTAs, you're not going to get
Speaker 1: to see a ton of these these guys really at
Speaker 1: their full potential. But who do you expect to kind
Speaker 1: of fill that role early and maybe shine at the
Speaker 1: early parts of these practices. Well, I think all the
Speaker 1: veterans should shine because they've been here, they know the routine.
Speaker 1: For the rookies, they're going to be like a fish
Speaker 1: out of water just trying to figure out the pace
Speaker 1: of the NFL. So when you mentioned the name like
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler, these are guys that you know coming into camp,
Speaker 1: are coming into this season that you know these were
Speaker 1: not the moves obviously that you were expecting. The front
Speaker 1: office is not going to make any hasty decisions. So
Speaker 1: I think for the veterans that are on this on
Speaker 1: this roster, uh, seeing the guys like Dante Fowler, seeing
Speaker 1: Malie Hooker in his second season with the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: and in this defense, what he's going to be able
Speaker 1: to do, just getting acclimated to this defense, so to speak.
Speaker 1: So you know, there's so many there's so many guys
Speaker 1: on this roster after this offseason that have to answer
Speaker 1: some big time questions as far as their productivity, and
Speaker 1: those are the I mean, camp isn't going to answer that.
Speaker 1: Only real game is going to answer some of these
Speaker 1: questions that we have about this team. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's gonna be like big shining anybody any
Speaker 1: shining moments, um and OTAs, but one shining. I don't
Speaker 1: know how this God, I'm starting to turn into me?
Speaker 1: How you see that? Right there? Forever all Uh? I
Speaker 1: was like, damn it, no, not too Isaiah, please, Oh no,
Speaker 1: I don't know about shining moments, but I do. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing if Dak and James Washington can
Speaker 1: get some chemistry. I think that's gonna be a very
Speaker 1: imported an element and gord into this season, that those
Speaker 1: guys get in sync early and then and then that
Speaker 1: can carry on and well into camp and obviously transition
Speaker 1: to the season. But I think that's going to be
Speaker 1: a very He's going to be a key ingredient to
Speaker 1: this office's ability to move the ball this year. So
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing Dak healthy early and then
Speaker 1: him working with James Washington, him adapting to this particular
Speaker 1: offense and his finding his role. Yeah, because you lose
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson in that wide receiver room, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of the guy you want. James Washington to become special
Speaker 1: team's impact. You want him to be that fourth receiver,
Speaker 1: maybe even better than that, and kind of be that
Speaker 1: reliable target from a receiving standpoint. That's on the same
Speaker 1: page as Dak Prescott. If you go on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com. Over the last couple of weeks, Rob, Nick
Speaker 1: Dave have all been putting together this this problem Spots series.
Speaker 1: It's actually really cool. You go in and it has
Speaker 1: specific spots that going into the offseason were quote unquote
Speaker 1: problem spots and what they've done to either fill that
Speaker 1: or what they expect to do in order to fill
Speaker 1: that when the season comes around. I want to kind
Speaker 1: of talk about a couple of those problems spots and Rob,
Speaker 1: I'll let you start, since you were part of that series,
Speaker 1: which one do you feel like was the biggest problem
Speaker 1: spot and what have the Cowboys done to address that
Speaker 1: that to this point, that's a great question. We've got
Speaker 1: we've got six of these, I think, and we're wrapping
Speaker 1: it up today with slot receiver, So pay attention to
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com to that. So we've got punt
Speaker 1: and kick returner, we've got swing tackle, center, depth, slot receiver,
Speaker 1: kicker and linebacker depth. That's a great question. I would say, man,
Speaker 1: I might go with swing tackle honestly, Okay, just because
Speaker 1: it's a backup position, but history says that's a starting
Speaker 1: position for at least three games. Because Tyrn Smith is
Speaker 1: not He's great when he plays, I mean he was,
Speaker 1: he played at a Pro Bowl level. The metrics showed that,
Speaker 1: but I mean he had played a full season is
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. So they have to be prepared to have
Speaker 1: a starting caliber guy at that position, at a major
Speaker 1: key position protecting Dak Prescott's blindside. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if I think they're they're happy with what they have
Speaker 1: in place there, but I don't know if they know
Speaker 1: who's going to fill that spot yet, because they have
Speaker 1: three young tackles who have not played a preseason game,
Speaker 1: much less a regular season game. Yea, And typically that's
Speaker 1: been a role where they go when they sign a
Speaker 1: vet to fill that spot or at least compete for
Speaker 1: that spot. It's been Tian Sky, It's been Cameron Irving,
Speaker 1: Cameron Fleming, and now it is Matt Will Let's go
Speaker 1: in the fourth round, Josh Ball in the fourth round
Speaker 1: last year. Tyler Smith is a left side player right now,
Speaker 1: although we feel I think we all feel like he's
Speaker 1: you know, a strong candidate, likely the starter at left
Speaker 1: guard if he doesn't lose that opportunity. I almost broke
Speaker 1: out into col Switt recognizing realizing that we don't even
Speaker 1: have a kicker. Well I looked at that when it
Speaker 1: was like, well, yeah, that we don't have a clue
Speaker 1: with that one either. Yeah, we know, and the kicker
Speaker 1: that we have is undrafted, unproven, so that that gives
Speaker 1: you a little bit of pause. Um, but when you
Speaker 1: when you put the quote out, I mean the tweet
Speaker 1: out to all of us about what the rundown was
Speaker 1: going to be, you know, obviously you go through all
Speaker 1: of this from Dallas Cowboys dot com and looking through
Speaker 1: what we have, and I felt like it was the
Speaker 1: edge rusher position. Um, when Randy Gregory signed with the Broncos,
Speaker 1: it was apparent that Cowboy Nation felt as though there
Speaker 1: was a hole in this defense that wasn't we were not.
Speaker 1: That's well, the front office hadn't made the steps to
Speaker 1: try and feel that role, and you had enough names
Speaker 1: in free agency that came through that Stephen Jones was
Speaker 1: just staying hood. He wasn't signing anybody, didn't matter if
Speaker 1: it was an aging guy of free agent, whatever, And
Speaker 1: so you saw the philosophy of what this UH front
Speaker 1: office was going to have going into the season, and
Speaker 1: I thought that it really I think the what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say is that the draft really kind of
Speaker 1: they played their hand with the draft, with every pick
Speaker 1: that was over analyzed scrutinized, and they added the depth
Speaker 1: that they needed to this team. But I really believe
Speaker 1: that bringing on Sam Williams and already a crowded defensive
Speaker 1: front room, bringing him on, I think to me really
Speaker 1: kind of plugged that hole from what you were looking
Speaker 1: for for Randy Gregory. Because this guy sixty four two
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five pounds, runs a four four, is
Speaker 1: quick twitch, and he comes into an edge rusher room
Speaker 1: where the expectations is not all that high for him.
Speaker 1: All he has to do is be a higher gun.
Speaker 1: And so I believe that his production and what we
Speaker 1: potentially can get from him is one of the things
Speaker 1: that you gotta be. You gotta look at Sam Williams
Speaker 1: and say, look, potentially you have definitely closed that gap.
Speaker 1: Which player has more pressure on them to perform this year.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I know the answer to this question.
Speaker 1: But Sam Williams or Dante Faller Jr. Which one has
Speaker 1: more pressure to produce more here in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: specifically out of that addresser spot to fill that Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory role. I mean Sam Williams because of where he
Speaker 1: was taking in the draft, that's gonna put all the
Speaker 1: pressure on him. But I believe equally uh Dante Fowler,
Speaker 1: and you can even say neither. You could say neither
Speaker 1: because of the way that the rotation is gonna go.
Speaker 1: I mean work together as a team, absolutely, And it
Speaker 1: went that way all season long. If you go over
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys defense in the way that Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: implemented a lot of these guys, it was completely by
Speaker 1: committee committee. It was the only guy that literally got
Speaker 1: all the burn was our safety and Micah that was it. Kurson, Michael,
Speaker 1: That's that's it. And so everybody else was was was
Speaker 1: rotating in and out. And I just feel like, again
Speaker 1: even with Dante Fowler, and I said when we brought him,
Speaker 1: when we signed him, that hey, he's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 1: be uphill battle for him to even make the team.
Speaker 1: Obviously Dan Quinn and everything that I've heard in interviews
Speaker 1: with him, he is he's really high up on Dante Fowler.
Speaker 1: And if Dante Fowler can't produce anything for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: that is a win win situation. But you may potentially
Speaker 1: end up hutting some really good guys at the end
Speaker 1: of this and you get past can linebackers still worried
Speaker 1: about it, still worried about obviously, like the prospect that
Speaker 1: they drafted. You know, I had opportunity to go out
Speaker 1: there and see him, see his size and all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Damon Clark can see exactly how um, you know, how
Speaker 1: engaged he was in terms of the walkthroughs and practice.
Speaker 1: But he's not we don't have access to him. It's
Speaker 1: not healthy. Yeah, he's not healthy. So we drafted somebody
Speaker 1: who's a future project that we can't get our hands
Speaker 1: on now. So you're still in the same position you
Speaker 1: were in before the draft and in terms of impact
Speaker 1: this year. So I'm still worried about that position because
Speaker 1: it takes long behold is something ever happened to Micah?
Speaker 1: You're then you're then you're relying on vander Esch, who
Speaker 1: you weren't high on. Obviously, you brought him back out
Speaker 1: of necessity, and then you got Jabille Cox who's coming
Speaker 1: off of ACL that's what you're relying on. Yeah, at
Speaker 1: the linebacker position, or vander Or flipped around and save
Speaker 1: vanders who who had a healthy season last year, but
Speaker 1: his battled injuries. He's had much of his career season
Speaker 1: he ever got beginning to end through. But I agree,
Speaker 1: But I also would like to include in that, how
Speaker 1: many linebackers that they use last year understood at the
Speaker 1: time as two linebackers and and so, And I think
Speaker 1: that's maybe why they're keeping it so thin. But as
Speaker 1: we sit here right now, I think that's the biggest
Speaker 1: if you recognize that as a whole. They damn sure
Speaker 1: recognize that as a whole. And they're gonna make a
Speaker 1: move in between now in the beginning of camp to
Speaker 1: bring in a veteran linebacker. I feel. I think they
Speaker 1: have to because even even rolling with two linebackers, we're
Speaker 1: not too deep. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, as what I'm
Speaker 1: saying like and as we're talking about OTA is getting started,
Speaker 1: Jill Cox is the guy that I would not expect
Speaker 1: to be out there. I mean, he's gonna you know,
Speaker 1: they think he'll be ready for Week one, but they're
Speaker 1: gonna bring him along and so, yeah, numbers wise, that's
Speaker 1: a spot to watch as the offseason goes on, they
Speaker 1: try to upgrade or you know, at least add some depth.
Speaker 1: It really reminds me of the safety position last year
Speaker 1: at this time, because you were looking at the safety
Speaker 1: positions like, okay, you added this guy curse like you
Speaker 1: have Donovan Wilson who was coming off of a good
Speaker 1: back half of the year where he was forcing turnovers,
Speaker 1: but even he wasn't necessarily one hundred percent healthy, nor
Speaker 1: was he really a part of the off season program.
Speaker 1: At the time. You felt really thin at safety. When
Speaker 1: you got through the draft, you're like, okay, where are
Speaker 1: we going, what's happening here? You signed Keon O'Neil, You
Speaker 1: got some bodies in the room. But then later, even
Speaker 1: when you got to training camp, you got on the
Speaker 1: phone and Malie Cooker was on his way to ox start. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he showed up a couple days after the practices
Speaker 1: that started. I feel like you're going to see something
Speaker 1: similar with the linebacker position because I agree with you
Speaker 1: both completely. It is very very thin and if you
Speaker 1: don't go and get somebody, maybe a veteran, maybe just
Speaker 1: somebody who's kind of an in between her, in between
Speaker 1: a contract. Maybe he needs a one year deal to
Speaker 1: prove himself. Somebody like that, like a Jayren Curse potentially
Speaker 1: comes in and plays that linebacker role. That's something interesting
Speaker 1: to think about as well. It's very different from last
Speaker 1: year when we were talking about this position, like where's
Speaker 1: everybody gonna play? Like how much can Jalen Smith possibly
Speaker 1: play in this group? You know, it's just not nearly
Speaker 1: as deep as it was last year. We're pretty right
Speaker 1: asking that question. Huh, we were right, And I don't
Speaker 1: know what week it was, but that was it for
Speaker 1: him the middle of the season. Then one other problem
Speaker 1: spot that I do want to hit on, and you
Speaker 1: guys wrote the article of finding competition for Tyler Biottish
Speaker 1: at the center spot, and last year it was Tyler
Speaker 1: Biottish and that was it. In terms of the center,
Speaker 1: you were talking about Connor Williams maybe sliding over playing
Speaker 1: as the backup that never came to fruition, thank goodness.
Speaker 1: Matt farniok is maybe that backup center they go out
Speaker 1: and they add two guys Alec Windstrom out of Boston
Speaker 1: College James MP out of BYU, both solid collegiate players,
Speaker 1: both very experienced, had plenty of production in college, but
Speaker 1: they were both undrafted guys for a reason. Do you
Speaker 1: expect there to be any competition for Tyler Biottish Because
Speaker 1: across the board, if Tyler Smith wins that left guard spot,
Speaker 1: I think you could maybe look at Beatish as the
Speaker 1: weak link of the offensive line moving into the next
Speaker 1: couple of years. I don't I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know those other two gentlemen well enough to speak on
Speaker 1: them yet, But I think I'm an advocate that every
Speaker 1: position to should have competition, every single position. I don't
Speaker 1: care who's at quarterback. I don't care who's that running back,
Speaker 1: receiver or whatever. You can go all the way down
Speaker 1: the line, the whole roster. I think everybody needs somebody
Speaker 1: to push him because the moment that you get comfortable,
Speaker 1: you become complacent. When you become complacent, you lose your drive.
Speaker 1: You lose your drive, well, you don't win ball games.
Speaker 1: So I think that I hope that they have a
Speaker 1: plan to have somebody pushing him at that position, even
Speaker 1: if he is the guy which we all assume that
Speaker 1: he is the guy right now. They need somebody to
Speaker 1: be Hey, go ahead and go ahead and snap one
Speaker 1: over his head if you want to, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, you need you need that. Every player needs that.
Speaker 1: That's that's the NFL. And if and if you lose
Speaker 1: that competitiveness, that's the one thing that makes everybody who
Speaker 1: plays in this league different because you're you're one play
Speaker 1: away from getting fired. Yeah, you know, And that's that's
Speaker 1: what keeps you on your toes. That's one of the
Speaker 1: things that keeps you in your dog on you know,
Speaker 1: in your in your playbook and watching film and all
Speaker 1: that jazz, because if you slip up a couple of times,
Speaker 1: there's somebody else right there willing to take your spot.
Speaker 1: I agree. If he didn't have a healthy fear of
Speaker 1: being replacing, something's wrong with him. I mean, his chair
Speaker 1: should be hot right now. There's so many people that
Speaker 1: have been talking about him from last season, him being
Speaker 1: tied to Connor Williams. No one was impressed with what
Speaker 1: Tyler Beardest did and I think a lot of times
Speaker 1: you felt, especially those games where he went up against
Speaker 1: those big one texts, that just kind of drove him back,
Speaker 1: and you're looking at sixty three saying, hey, dog, you
Speaker 1: gotta do something about that. Uh, Like like week one
Speaker 1: coming up, Yeah, you got you got a lot of
Speaker 1: you got a lot of matchups. But that's the thing.
Speaker 1: That's the thing in the NFL. All of these guys
Speaker 1: each and every week are going to go against a
Speaker 1: bull at the one and guys that are shading that three.
Speaker 1: But Tyler beodest For me. I just feel as though
Speaker 1: if your coach fielding, you're like, look, this is your
Speaker 1: job to lose, and if you play yourself out of
Speaker 1: this role, then it's all on you giving him the opportunities.
Speaker 1: Right now, he's over there practicing, letting him know, like
Speaker 1: you have to be the brains of this. And I
Speaker 1: think when he replaced, when you're trying to replace a
Speaker 1: guy walking the shadows of a Travis Frederick who was
Speaker 1: a cerebral maniac when it came down to calling the offensive,
Speaker 1: calling their protections, all of those things, how far is
Speaker 1: he progressed in his football? Like you is what I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about, you know, because that's he has to be
Speaker 1: that guy up front and so look, the added pressure
Speaker 1: is there, but also the pressure at just making sure
Speaker 1: that you have your mind wrapped around this. The what
Speaker 1: they're doing up front, that's it. That's like ninety percent
Speaker 1: of the position, right, I mean, there's the physical part,
Speaker 1: but it's that too. Yeah, I think I agree with
Speaker 1: you guys. I mean, I think they feel like if
Speaker 1: if they've got left guard lockdown with more some more
Speaker 1: strengths and more power, I think he's a better player.
Speaker 1: That's the way they look at it. And I think
Speaker 1: if they had felt like they were pressed at a
Speaker 1: bunch of competition, they would have drafted somebody or brought
Speaker 1: in somebody. And Matt Farnioc I know they've they've talked
Speaker 1: about him a lot. They've kind of dropped his name, like, oh,
Speaker 1: he said, here's all the time. He doesn't leave. But
Speaker 1: he's played one game in college at center, you know,
Speaker 1: so there's not a lot of experience behind Tyler Biotis well.
Speaker 1: I mean, and they did. They did sign a couple
Speaker 1: guys up the draft, as you mentioned Kyle, but Lynstrom
Speaker 1: smaller player. Uh MP is pretty small too. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: both actually undepending under pounds. Probably why you're not getting
Speaker 1: drafted like that's that was part of the discussion after
Speaker 1: the draft when they were asked by Nick, I think, what,
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of passed on the best center
Speaker 1: in the draft, and you know, maybe they looked at
Speaker 1: Um linder Baum and said, maybe he's not the right
Speaker 1: size to play that position in our scheme. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, you know, where the competition
Speaker 1: necessarily comes from for Tyler biotis right now, although last
Speaker 1: year I think they were looking at Connor Williams and
Speaker 1: it was odd that they waited till camp to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think they were kind of looking at the
Speaker 1: best five type thing, like if he could hand They
Speaker 1: liked McGovern at left guard potentially, and maybe if he
Speaker 1: can handle that center thing. That could have been a
Speaker 1: competition in the middle of camp and it just didn't
Speaker 1: pan out. It kind of felt like manufactured competition all
Speaker 1: the way through instead of that natural competition of guys
Speaker 1: that played center. Specifically, seeing it in hindsight, at the
Speaker 1: time you were thinking best five, you were thinking that
Speaker 1: it was going to be something there with Connor Williams
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern, Maybe both those guys split the playing time.
Speaker 1: If Tyler Beiottish were to not be the guy at center.
Speaker 1: But I don't even think then we were talking about
Speaker 1: Connor Williams being the starting center. So since Joe Looney
Speaker 1: was on the roster, Tyler Beiottish has been unchallenged to
Speaker 1: this point, more or less, more or less, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take our first break when we come back.
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Speaker 1: of this coaching staff. Who's gonna max the players, position
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Speaker 1: said he wanted to play, and and and nickmas like
Speaker 1: you kind of scoffed at me, and Nick was like, okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: one man. Yeah sounds good, but yeah, fun stuff with
Speaker 1: the reliant home run derby. Let's take some questions from Twitter.
Speaker 1: By the way, well some good ones and I tease
Speaker 1: this going into the break. Our friend Tie asked what
Speaker 1: position coach? But you can't name a coordinator, so no
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn. In this conversation, what position coach is the
Speaker 1: best cook in the kitchen? Meaning which position coach will
Speaker 1: max perform the talent that he has been added to
Speaker 1: the team or that has been added to his team
Speaker 1: to his position group. Out of the guys on the list, Rob,
Speaker 1: you have one in mind? How about London Wells, Let's
Speaker 1: steal it. Go ahead, you're a thief. No go ahead, No, no,
Speaker 1: you go ahead, thief. Um Dalton Schultz last two years
Speaker 1: with London here playing at a Pro Bowl level, putting
Speaker 1: up Pro Bowl caliber production and getting a one year bag.
Speaker 1: We'll see if he gets a multi year bag. But
Speaker 1: I think that's a credit to coaching. And now you
Speaker 1: draft Jake Ferguson in the fourth round and that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's going to be a key component to try to
Speaker 1: add to this blocking and I think I think they've
Speaker 1: got a guy in London Wells who can who can
Speaker 1: bring that out of him. Okay, why do you agree?
Speaker 1: Because I mean, from that standpoint, Dalton Schultz is not
Speaker 1: the most physically gifted individual that we've ever seen in
Speaker 1: this league. But yeah, he's been productive for this particular organization.
Speaker 1: They productive enough for them to franchise him. So you
Speaker 1: look at that development with with the skill set that
Speaker 1: he has and it doesn't just show up. You know,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of a lot of credit obviously to
Speaker 1: Dalton in the work that he's put in on and
Speaker 1: off the field, but there's a guy who coaches him
Speaker 1: every single day, and they don't get enough recognition and
Speaker 1: I think that London has done a heck of a job.
Speaker 1: And I've seen him since my time with the Giants,
Speaker 1: you know personally, I know personally, but the development that
Speaker 1: he's put into himself, um, you know, into getting himself
Speaker 1: in shape and mentally overhauling himself and getting himself changing
Speaker 1: over from the offensive line side and over to the
Speaker 1: to the tight end side. He's done the heck of
Speaker 1: a job within himself in terms of coaching him and
Speaker 1: now he's coming He's helping out these guys at the
Speaker 1: end of the tight end room and then showing up
Speaker 1: every week and everybody's like, oh, man, Dalton just came
Speaker 1: up and had a heck of a year. It doesn't
Speaker 1: just work like that. Players don't just show up and
Speaker 1: just start playing well. There's a lot of work that
Speaker 1: goes on the back end. And hats off to him.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't pick a coordinator, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with Al Harris on defense. I was gonna say too,
Speaker 1: so we al Harris, And for me, I think Al
Speaker 1: Harris and his influence on these defensive backs. Um, you
Speaker 1: see the jump that Trayvon Diggs has made and his progression,
Speaker 1: even progression even Brown UH and his second season under
Speaker 1: UH with with Al Harris, I think it's it's really
Speaker 1: something to see how good coaching can change players and
Speaker 1: Lewis guys like that. Just there's there was a little
Speaker 1: bit of a spark to that dB room and that
Speaker 1: dB group, And just as the season got rolled in
Speaker 1: the turnover started to come in, you start to see
Speaker 1: the camaraderie amongst that group. And I think we started
Speaker 1: to see that in OTAs like we see it on
Speaker 1: the field, but we see the way these guys operate
Speaker 1: out here and OTAs and Al Harris man, he has
Speaker 1: his pants pulled all the way up, he's got tape
Speaker 1: on me, and then he can still go, yeah, get
Speaker 1: that man a helmet. You know, he can still get
Speaker 1: out there and do it. But I just love the
Speaker 1: tight knit group that we have with the DBS. But
Speaker 1: I just Al Harris is one of those coaches that
Speaker 1: I see him being a chef in the kitchen as
Speaker 1: I want to say what somebody might have been Treyvon
Speaker 1: said last year. I mean there's probably some extra weight
Speaker 1: that's carried with his message because he's bland done it
Speaker 1: at a high level, a high level at a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl level like that that carries weight with players for sure.
Speaker 1: And one of the images that comes to mind with
Speaker 1: that is Treybon during training camp in twenty twenty when
Speaker 1: we were out here, when were socially distant and we
Speaker 1: were watching from over the top. Every three single rep,
Speaker 1: Trayvon went straight back to Al Harris. There was that
Speaker 1: conversation back and forth, and you saw the jump. I mean,
Speaker 1: Heckma mentioned it a moment ago that, yeah, Treyvon Digs
Speaker 1: had a jump, but the whole cornerback room had a
Speaker 1: jump from last year because we went in We went
Speaker 1: into the draft last year thinking cornerback, cornerback, cornerback. You
Speaker 1: didn't add anything specific, but you saw jumps from Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, the addition of Kelvin Joseph, but that was
Speaker 1: really non existent in his rookie season. Yet cornerback wasn't
Speaker 1: a top need into this draft this year, and that
Speaker 1: to me shows coaching is paying off. And you can't
Speaker 1: necessarily mention Al Harris Without also mentioning Joe Ed Jr.
Speaker 1: And the way that he's kind of played an impact
Speaker 1: as the defensive passing game coordinator, as a secondary coach,
Speaker 1: and somebody that handed George back and forth. You think
Speaker 1: about that's another good Yeah. I mean I mean not
Speaker 1: talk about a player that's just like constantly attached. I
Speaker 1: mean Mica. They have a great relationship with George Edwards. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think all three of those guys can buy.
Speaker 1: And that's a big reason why Jay Wren Curse was
Speaker 1: successful was because of what Joett Junior, George Edwards were
Speaker 1: able to do, and then of course Mica being what
Speaker 1: he was. So yeah, I think those are those are
Speaker 1: some good names. Old fans understand the impact that coaches
Speaker 1: have on players. How it's major. You take somebody, there's
Speaker 1: there's there's coaches, and then there's there's a system. Right,
Speaker 1: so the coaches have to understand the players and their
Speaker 1: their gifts and talents well enough to put them in
Speaker 1: a position and be successful. But then there's also the
Speaker 1: development portion of it. So you take a player outside
Speaker 1: of his organization doctor Cordelle Patterson, right, good player, talented,
Speaker 1: return man, cool. All of a sudden, he goes to
Speaker 1: a new organization with some coaches that understand how to
Speaker 1: utilize his talent and develop it and give him the confidence.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you have somebody believing in you
Speaker 1: and showing you some tips at the trade of the trade,
Speaker 1: and you start bawling, right, same thing with what you
Speaker 1: guys just mentioned. Tradema talented, young talent, all right, future
Speaker 1: is gonna be high on him, but no, let's get
Speaker 1: him with a cat that has on this at the
Speaker 1: highest level. Um. And by the way, he still could
Speaker 1: put him dog on, sweats up and get out there
Speaker 1: and put hands on somebody if he wanted to, if
Speaker 1: he wanted to line up on CD right now, he could, right,
Speaker 1: you know what, he could. He's that guy. He's that
Speaker 1: listen here, he gonna he gonna get some Honda. He's
Speaker 1: gonna pull out some Vet moves on him. Okay, he's
Speaker 1: gonna get hit the chest three times that uncle strength,
Speaker 1: right Okay, No, no, he might once they start running,
Speaker 1: it might be a different story. But he has the
Speaker 1: tricks and all those and all those little crafty things
Speaker 1: that he can pass along to those guys that you
Speaker 1: just can't no disrespect to other coaches, that you just
Speaker 1: can't get from other coaches. Now, through experience and all
Speaker 1: that jazz, they're gonna have that in their bag from
Speaker 1: people that they've worked with but when you're a player
Speaker 1: that has competed at that level and balled out and
Speaker 1: been All Pro and Super Bowls and all that jazz,
Speaker 1: and then you turn around and coach. To your point,
Speaker 1: there's such a high regard for you as as as
Speaker 1: that player and a person that they're gonna look up to. Quick.
Speaker 1: That's what Jake kids doing for the MAVs to drop
Speaker 1: in my MAVs reference real quick. I mean, he's done
Speaker 1: a hell of it. And the season ain't over tonight
Speaker 1: last that's the last day of the year. No, it's not,
Speaker 1: it's not. No. No, I just wanted to figure back
Speaker 1: off of that because it's so much of that that's
Speaker 1: so true, and not only in a football sense, but
Speaker 1: in a person of business senses, you know, not being
Speaker 1: able to manage the talent that you have. And that's
Speaker 1: why the great CEO's executives are who they are, because
Speaker 1: they know how to delegate and make maximize the talent
Speaker 1: that they have. I think we came off of a
Speaker 1: season with Coach Nolan where we saw guys running all
Speaker 1: over the place, and you have to give coach Nolan
Speaker 1: a lot of grace because of COVID and all of that,
Speaker 1: but I just see players not being used the way
Speaker 1: that they should have been. And now with dan Quinn
Speaker 1: stepping in, you see a guy that recognizes Michael Parsons,
Speaker 1: And I don't believe it was until he chased down
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert that the light came on. He was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I'm not using this right. I need to,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's not until you see that that
Speaker 1: car get drove the way it's supposed to that you
Speaker 1: know how to manage it. And so but I absolutely
Speaker 1: agree with the difference that coaches make. And this provides
Speaker 1: a great segue into Alfred's question. He wants us to
Speaker 1: talk about the offensive line coaches because their ability to
Speaker 1: develop young talent is going to be on display very quickly.
Speaker 1: And we talked about the swing tackle position with Josh
Speaker 1: Ball Matt will Let's go then in the interior of
Speaker 1: the offensive line with guys like Tyler Smith and Matt
Speaker 1: Farney Off. Guys that have been drafted or signed in
Speaker 1: each of the last two years are going to have
Speaker 1: to make an impact early. So how much confidence do
Speaker 1: you have rob that Joe Philbin, even though he's been
Speaker 1: in the league for seventeen years, he's done good things.
Speaker 1: He's also had some lows at the same time. But
Speaker 1: then you've also got Jeff Blasco kind of tag teaming it.
Speaker 1: What is your confidence level like in the offensive coaching
Speaker 1: staff offensive line coaching staff. Yeah, I think it's there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you said it. With his experience.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been a head coach, he's he's worked,
Speaker 1: and I think you know, there there were some issues
Speaker 1: last year with the offensive line, no doubt, but I
Speaker 1: think I think you saw guys grow too over the
Speaker 1: last two years overall, with Joe philbin here and Terrence
Speaker 1: Steel's the best example. I mean, the guy that's undrafted
Speaker 1: and is at a point now where they're like, we
Speaker 1: can let Lyle Collins go and he can step in
Speaker 1: and play that position. To your point, though, that might
Speaker 1: be the most important coaching job on staff, like going forward,
Speaker 1: if an offensive coordinator, Yeah, well, I guess I'm not
Speaker 1: talking other than coordinators like and of course Mike, but
Speaker 1: like just alone, just Tyler Smith. Can he jump in
Speaker 1: right away as a first round pick and help you
Speaker 1: immediately like that development because he's young too, you know,
Speaker 1: if there's a knock on him coming out is that
Speaker 1: he is kind of raw from a talent perspective. So
Speaker 1: that's alone might be the biggest coaching job going forward,
Speaker 1: just kind of like Michael was last year, developing MICA's
Speaker 1: skills and finding a role for him. Philbin has done
Speaker 1: an absolutely amazing job since walking into building here and
Speaker 1: you think about the amount of players that he's utilized, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the number of number of lineups that he's had over
Speaker 1: the past two seasons. This dude has I mean, he's
Speaker 1: done a miraculous job. And you're not on an island
Speaker 1: in this There are people that think he's done a
Speaker 1: great job, and I think the staff across the way
Speaker 1: thinks he's had done a great job. But there's a
Speaker 1: good contingency of people that don't feel that way, that
Speaker 1: feel like down and I understand why they feel that way.
Speaker 1: You understand there's two aspects to the office alignment. Office
Speaker 1: alignemen have to keep your quarterback upright and give him
Speaker 1: opportunity to throw the ball. And then the office alignement
Speaker 1: have to be dog on you know, gorillaz those and
Speaker 1: get some guys out the dog on mud and drive
Speaker 1: him off the ball and not be penalized and not
Speaker 1: be penalized. But that's so much of that. There's technique
Speaker 1: that it's involved in both. But one particularly has a
Speaker 1: different mindset, and that's running. That's running game right. Run blocking,
Speaker 1: it's different you that takes a different mindset to get
Speaker 1: underneath somebody who's three hundred plus pounds called two ninety
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty pounds and drive them off the ball.
Speaker 1: Technique alone is not going to get that done. You
Speaker 1: have to have a dog out there. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if they've had those dogs out there recently, which
Speaker 1: is why I think they made the pick that they
Speaker 1: made this year in the draft, even though he's raw
Speaker 1: and he still had some things that he needs to
Speaker 1: shure up. There's no question mark about about the dog mentality.
Speaker 1: He's he's a drag. He's a dog in there, and
Speaker 1: that's what they need. They needed somebody with some attitude
Speaker 1: who's gonna be out there to be able to go
Speaker 1: out there and deliver it. Now, take some of that coaching,
Speaker 1: take that technique, apply it to that that that dog
Speaker 1: on you know, tenacity that you have, and move some
Speaker 1: of these guys up the dog on paint, because that's
Speaker 1: what this officing life needs. Right now. They need some grit.
Speaker 1: So Philbin, yes, I understand, you gotta get the running
Speaker 1: game going, but that's not all on him. Passing game
Speaker 1: is a little bit easier to coach up, a little
Speaker 1: bit easier to coach up getting guys moving off the
Speaker 1: ball a lot different. Now, you know, when you talk
Speaker 1: about the island that Isaiah's own giving Philbin praise, there's
Speaker 1: so many people that just thought he did a horrible job,
Speaker 1: and we're calling for his job really in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. And but I'm I'm I'm on your side
Speaker 1: on this because here's what I know about football. And
Speaker 1: if you look at any program worth it salt, you
Speaker 1: go into the offensive line room, tell me who the
Speaker 1: offensive line coaches, and I'll tell you the success you're
Speaker 1: having as a program. Because if you don't have an
Speaker 1: offensive line coach worthy're worth the salt, they don't have nothing.
Speaker 1: And any you look at the pay rate of offensive
Speaker 1: line coaches, they try and pay overpaid in keeping. We've
Speaker 1: had some great offensive line coaches here that have gotten
Speaker 1: things going and filbing it's wanting to be in that
Speaker 1: list of it. I have to allow the grace for
Speaker 1: a filbing as well, because of the injuries that he
Speaker 1: had to deal with Leo Collins last season coming in
Speaker 1: and obviously you know the labor room and just the
Speaker 1: musical chairs of the offensive line and Tyren Smith also
Speaker 1: going on going down. But I think developing players in
Speaker 1: the NFL has really became a thing of the past, man,
Speaker 1: because if a guy didn't work out, it's so easy
Speaker 1: to call him a bus and then cut him and
Speaker 1: get rid of him. And then, like we just were
Speaker 1: talking about, another coach gets his hands on him and
Speaker 1: he redevelops this guy and turns him into something, and
Speaker 1: we're all looking like, well, damn, I thought it was
Speaker 1: a bus though he was in the wrong system and
Speaker 1: no one could develop him. The easiest thing and always
Speaker 1: Nate Newton is somebody that I love having these football
Speaker 1: come sessions with because as an offensive line he'll tell you, man,
Speaker 1: the easiest thing to do is a run block, because
Speaker 1: most high schools have a sled. You know, you blocking sled.
Speaker 1: You know he's five on, put five on it, you
Speaker 1: drive it down the field. That's the easiest thing to
Speaker 1: get a three hundred pound man to do is go forward.
Speaker 1: But pass blocking, that's where a lot of the troubles
Speaker 1: come in for offensive line and technique, and we saw
Speaker 1: those troubles with the clock and Doc and Dak's head
Speaker 1: last season with a lot of the injuries that he
Speaker 1: was having up front. It just changed the dynamic of
Speaker 1: the offense. We couldn't play field position in ball control
Speaker 1: anymore because teams like Vick Vangio who had the blueprint
Speaker 1: and started coming after us. There's a lot of air
Speaker 1: quotations because you know what, he's gonna live rent free
Speaker 1: in my head because of his whole you know how
Speaker 1: about them Broncos in the blueprint deal. It's too bad
Speaker 1: he's not the coach for these joint practices and the
Speaker 1: preseason game coming up, man, just say him and Mike.
Speaker 1: That would have been fun because we will see Tyrn
Speaker 1: Smith versus Randy Gregory again though in those practice that's
Speaker 1: gonna do. Yes, yes, we will. Yeah, Hey, we know
Speaker 1: who dominated that those match ups. You know that's why
Speaker 1: timers haven't Tims Smith back healthy being able to develop
Speaker 1: the left guard and you're you're right. If he can
Speaker 1: get this guy already with the what he has and
Speaker 1: you know he has that dog mentality and just refine
Speaker 1: what he has already. I expect him to be a
Speaker 1: player for us. Just for those who may not know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys do have two joint practices with the LA
Speaker 1: Chargers August seventeenth and eighteenth before their preseason game against
Speaker 1: the Chargers, and then they also have a joint practice
Speaker 1: in Denver against the Broncos on April eleventh, prior to
Speaker 1: their first preseason game against Denver. So that came out
Speaker 1: this last week. I don't think we've hit that as
Speaker 1: a storyline on this show. Jake asked which young defensive
Speaker 1: tackle do you expect more from this year? No injuries.
Speaker 1: Let's pretend they're healthy all season long. OsO Diggi Zuoa
Speaker 1: or Neville Gallimore? Isaiah, who you got Galimore? Why? Because
Speaker 1: the there of clogging up the middle in this defense
Speaker 1: last year and the necessity for that role, the reason
Speaker 1: why they went out and drafted somebody, So they drafted
Speaker 1: somebody to pretty much, Hey, we just talked about competition,
Speaker 1: So you didn't get it done the way in which
Speaker 1: you wanted to get it done. So here, here we're
Speaker 1: gonna put another another, another guy in there to compete
Speaker 1: with you. He was traditionally a three technique at Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: He played a lot of three technique as a rookie.
Speaker 1: Do you expect him, because he is a little bit
Speaker 1: bigger than some of those other guys that are in
Speaker 1: that three technique rotation, to maybe slide over and play
Speaker 1: the nose a little bit now that Brent Urban's not
Speaker 1: a part of it. And you also don't you have
Speaker 1: two young guys in Quentin Bohanna and John Ridgeway. However,
Speaker 1: nevels by far the more veteran of those two, and
Speaker 1: even he's still a young guy. I don't think, I
Speaker 1: honestly don't think that this team plans on having a
Speaker 1: true nose. I think that they stunt so much and
Speaker 1: they move around so much on the defensive line, and
Speaker 1: they want those linebackers to be able to flow and
Speaker 1: get those those matchups on office liniment with half a body,
Speaker 1: not having to take them on head on, but getting
Speaker 1: them half a body. Well, in order to do that,
Speaker 1: you need your defensive line crossing the front of these
Speaker 1: office alignment and causing some confusion up there. So I
Speaker 1: don't think that this team intends to have a true one.
Speaker 1: So I think Gallimore should be confident in his role
Speaker 1: in terms of transitioning from what he did in college.
Speaker 1: But those guys have to be able to move across
Speaker 1: the front of office, alignement, and get penetration. That's the difference.
Speaker 1: The penetration aspect is where this team has struggled over
Speaker 1: the past few seasons. They need to get somebody moving
Speaker 1: up the field and messes and messing things up in
Speaker 1: the backfield. And that's why I take also Diggi Zoo
Speaker 1: because I think his quick twitch and his point of
Speaker 1: attack explosiveness is different from Neville Gallimore. Same beast, same animal,
Speaker 1: just different, you know. And I think also Diggi Zeol
Speaker 1: just brings that quickness to it that you need when
Speaker 1: you talk about penetration. But I just want to take
Speaker 1: the whole world tradition as it relates to our defense
Speaker 1: is just bump, just ball it up and throw it away,
Speaker 1: because there's nothing traditional about what we ask these guys
Speaker 1: to do in and out of the scheme. Because I
Speaker 1: think of the position X that we like to enjoy
Speaker 1: with with our players, and so also is that player
Speaker 1: that I believe second year coming up for him, Man,
Speaker 1: it's gonna you should be excited about what he did
Speaker 1: in his first year. The coaches are very excited about LSA.
Speaker 1: I think they feel like, you know, he's gonna be
Speaker 1: like a ten year guy in this league, just just
Speaker 1: super productive. They asked him to do a lot early
Speaker 1: in the season, I mean for a third round pick,
Speaker 1: and he I think he delivered there. I would go
Speaker 1: with Neville Gallimore just though, because um full season healthy,
Speaker 1: Like into training camp it looked like he was getting
Speaker 1: ready to take a jump and then he gets hurt
Speaker 1: and that's a serious injury he was dealing with too,
Speaker 1: So I think full offseason. I honestly, I think the
Speaker 1: answer is both. But also, you know, Carlos Watkins is
Speaker 1: a guy too that can help some of that rotation
Speaker 1: play a little knows play inside. So yeah, So I
Speaker 1: love Gallimore's energy, man, Yeah, I love his energy. Before guys,
Speaker 1: I think they both had energy, but there was something
Speaker 1: about for me particularly, there's something about Gallimore. He just
Speaker 1: like he loves he loves the prime time like he
Speaker 1: loves the crowd, you know what I'm saying. Like he
Speaker 1: like there's just so many, so many, so many guys
Speaker 1: that are liked that, and I think he loves that man.
Speaker 1: And when I saw him go down to that, I
Speaker 1: was like, God, he was bringing so much energy to
Speaker 1: that group and impact he was getting up in there,
Speaker 1: you know. So looking forward to seeing him back out
Speaker 1: there healthy. What about Tristan him? Do you think Tristan
Speaker 1: Hilly makes this team? You got two young tackles that
Speaker 1: you drafted. Yeah, of water, that's about it. Last year
Speaker 1: of his deal, right, Yeah, I mean this is this
Speaker 1: is it. There's a lot of defensive linement. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: crowd They got crowded quick, Yeah I did. There was
Speaker 1: a tone. It's who steps up. You talk about competition,
Speaker 1: it's there. That's the most competitive pensive line. It's there
Speaker 1: for the most competitive room, hands down, as defensive line.
Speaker 1: That's a good question, is it. Oh yeah, I might
Speaker 1: have to be not receiver in terms of crowd lineman,
Speaker 1: not quarterback, not running back. Yeah, it's deal, it's d line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would agree to. All right. Since we brought up
Speaker 1: position flexibility, this is this is kind of fun killing Moore,
Speaker 1: who's a into the show on Twitter. Position flexibility is
Speaker 1: important for more down roster folks. That kelling killing more.
Speaker 1: What's that cable? Not killing? Unfortunately, so outside of the
Speaker 1: mascot position, what would Rowdy play if he was called
Speaker 1: upon on game day kicker, why because you see those boots.
Speaker 1: Come on, man said, a necessity would get a necessity.
Speaker 1: Perfect way to take us to break, Kyle. I think
Speaker 1: I think you could go like down lineman, a little
Speaker 1: edge rusher actions Kidney. He's got those big old hands.
Speaker 1: You could chop and block and go around. You want
Speaker 1: to see him in a three point stance. Heck, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll go with kicker straight kicker with
Speaker 1: or punter one of the two. Okay, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: even Yeah, there's that much flexibility for punter, that's true.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can get that leg give him kicker. Uh,
Speaker 1: somebody said field goal return man, because he's always back
Speaker 1: there anyway, because he's sitting under the field goal post.
Speaker 1: All right, let's add the break when we come back.
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Speaker 1: Somebody brought this question up and it was on one
Speaker 1: of the one of the websites. It might have been
Speaker 1: NFL dot com throughout the week or something of the sword.
Speaker 1: It was just kind of a fun question. This is
Speaker 1: something we could only talk about, I think in the
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Speaker 1: you can, if you could choose one player in the NFL,
Speaker 1: the entire NFL to build your team around. I was
Speaker 1: so confused on this question. Who would it be? One
Speaker 1: player in the entire NFL? I mean, no constraints or
Speaker 1: you can even think of at this point in their career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at this point in your career is a salary matter,
Speaker 1: No soundtrack doesn't matter, contract out the windows to fantasy draft,
Speaker 1: just straight up fantasy who's your first pick? And do
Speaker 1: we really want to ask this question? Yeah, it sound
Speaker 1: like a setup, is like a gotcha question. No it's not.
Speaker 1: It's just a fun question ahead, pe Okay, if if
Speaker 1: you guys admit, if you would have said that nobody
Speaker 1: would agree with you to a certain extent. I love
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott as much as anybody else, but he's not
Speaker 1: number one on that list, right, I'll go, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: go Pat Mahomes, Pat Mahomes. And I think like there's
Speaker 1: some and that's not a knock on Dak Prescott exactly,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, guy, I think everybody knows that. Um. Like,
Speaker 1: I think there's some recency bias sometimes in sports in
Speaker 1: the NFL, Like, you know, he didn't make the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Now Tyreek Hill leaves and it's kind of like, is
Speaker 1: he are people catching up to him? I still think
Speaker 1: over the next ten years, like he's going to be
Speaker 1: in competing to go to the Super Bowl every single year.
Speaker 1: And part of it is because they have in an
Speaker 1: organization that does a good and a coach does a
Speaker 1: good job of surrounding him with talent. But like he's
Speaker 1: I think he's the best young player in the league.
Speaker 1: Like and to me, it's it's hard to argue that
Speaker 1: although I think that that Bill's chief game, not only
Speaker 1: was it one of the best five games of this
Speaker 1: century that we've watched, I think Josh Allen kind of
Speaker 1: Maybe this is recency biased, but I think he showed
Speaker 1: he's another guy that can can reach that level too.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I think Dad can reach a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl too. Sure, but if I'm having to pick
Speaker 1: one guy, Mahomes based on what he's done so far,
Speaker 1: you know, those are three names that I've I've thrown
Speaker 1: around Mahomes, Josh Allen, and then you can maybe think
Speaker 1: defensive side of the football too, But the quarterback position
Speaker 1: is just so valuable at this point. I'm torn between
Speaker 1: two names. Okay, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, not Pat not Pat?
Speaker 1: Why those two? I like Justin Herbert too. By the way,
Speaker 1: I like their dog they got they got they have
Speaker 1: that dog mentality. They work, they work hard. That's not
Speaker 1: to say to any of us these other premier quarterbacks don't.
Speaker 1: There's just something in those guys that I feel like
Speaker 1: it's just like just a fighter's mentality. And I think
Speaker 1: that they're both so early on in their careers that
Speaker 1: they have they've been successful to this point, and I
Speaker 1: think their organizations currently are building around them, especially Herbert Jesus,
Speaker 1: they just helped him out defensively. Um, but I like,
Speaker 1: I like both of those both of those quarterbacks. I'm
Speaker 1: so disrespectful. I'll disrespect I mean, is Tostitos Championship plaza again?
Speaker 1: I'm always so those plaza. Come on, guys, you're gonna
Speaker 1: say this in the Star, Yeah, definitely. But this questions set,
Speaker 1: there's the second question on the back end too, that
Speaker 1: we will ask which cowboys should be at the top
Speaker 1: of that list. No, I mean, come on, now, you
Speaker 1: asked me a quad. I'm gonna give you understanding. Sure.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, I mean, come on, dog. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a guy that's had an amazing career only two years
Speaker 1: and I believe seventeen going into the seventeen seasons where
Speaker 1: he's at double digit interceptions. There's nobody's played the quarterback
Speaker 1: position like this man. He fits the ball into places
Speaker 1: that I've never seen. He made a throw in a
Speaker 1: T and T in the playoff game. I've never seen
Speaker 1: anybody make a throw like that. Man. He does things
Speaker 1: on the field that is is like, it's I don't
Speaker 1: know if we'll ever see a guy that has that
Speaker 1: kind of placement in touch on his ball the way
Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers does. He is that dude. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: only thing knocking. I guess his stock in this conversation
Speaker 1: would be the age, but he still hasn't necessarily shown
Speaker 1: a slow inkling of slow. He's a back to back
Speaker 1: MVP Award winner for a reason, so I definitely can
Speaker 1: see that. I think I would choose one of the
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks that you guys kind of mentioned, between Mahomes, Alan,
Speaker 1: and Herbert. I think I lean Mahomes just because of
Speaker 1: what he can do from a standpoint of freelancing and
Speaker 1: kind of making plays on the run. Josh Allen can
Speaker 1: do something very similar, but I think Mahomes has a
Speaker 1: better arm for doing that while also moving and as
Speaker 1: much as he's already done, he's like twenty five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not that old, which is crazy. Experience, youth, and
Speaker 1: talent all put together. That's hard to find, and those
Speaker 1: three guys all have it. But I think Mahomes is
Speaker 1: just still a half a step up on Alan, and
Speaker 1: then I think Alan's a full step up on Herbert.
Speaker 1: That's how I would rank it back and forth. But
Speaker 1: as I promised, which Dallas Cowboy would be highest on
Speaker 1: that list doesn't have to be the It doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be on the offensive side of the football, if,
Speaker 1: if anything, we could split at offense and defense. If
Speaker 1: we want, um, which which quarter or excuse me, which
Speaker 1: player for the Cowboys would be highest on that list altogether?
Speaker 1: Mere you go, you guys would let him go first.
Speaker 1: I know where you're going da all day or all
Speaker 1: day or all day. If we're gonna go on the
Speaker 1: other side of the ball, is gonna be who getting
Speaker 1: on the bus with Michael? Michael baby, right? I mean
Speaker 1: that's just it. But I think, look, I even thought
Speaker 1: that last segment. I just feel I don't need a
Speaker 1: shower right now because I didn't say Dak and I
Speaker 1: said Aaron Rodgers because of the numbers. I mean, you
Speaker 1: look at the other players that you're talking about. Herbert,
Speaker 1: he's only done it for but two years in the
Speaker 1: league and had all had all the yards in the world,
Speaker 1: but still bounced out of the player. Let mean, come on,
Speaker 1: I mean, the same thing that you knocked Dak for,
Speaker 1: you don't knock these other guys for. And I just
Speaker 1: feel like that's the people are contradicting themselves right there.
Speaker 1: But I think that Daks as far as the numbers,
Speaker 1: as far as the PF when you want to use
Speaker 1: it to make your point. Qbr yards, touchdowns, double digits, interceptions.
Speaker 1: I believe three years so far in his career, this
Speaker 1: this guy is on a trajectory that's going this way.
Speaker 1: And so I just feel like DA is the obvious answer.
Speaker 1: I'm going rain Dakota too, Okay, most important position, And
Speaker 1: I think, as I said earlier, like I don't think
Speaker 1: he's far off from being where he needs to go.
Speaker 1: I really don't. Some of a lot of it has
Speaker 1: to do with what's who's around him. Um, I just
Speaker 1: I mean, some of it's just being around him and
Speaker 1: some of it. A lot of it's what you hear
Speaker 1: from people about him, Like he's the type of guy,
Speaker 1: type of person, type of leader. You just I don't
Speaker 1: see him not succeeding at the highest level at some
Speaker 1: point in his career. People people don't buy it right now.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people skeptical right now. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: just think he's only twenty eight. Where there's time, there's
Speaker 1: time for him, and I think he's gonna get to
Speaker 1: that level. I'm going with the Bazuka, And I know
Speaker 1: that's weird because he's a defensive player, but I like
Speaker 1: his approach. I like his mentality. I like the fact
Speaker 1: that he doesn't rely on somebody else to go out
Speaker 1: there and have an impact on the game. He literally
Speaker 1: says it's on me. And I like that about him
Speaker 1: as a player. I like that about any player who
Speaker 1: has that mindset because it's easy to surround those individuals
Speaker 1: with people who just want to just feel that some
Speaker 1: of that energy and who just want to be a
Speaker 1: part of that. How many people do we see on
Speaker 1: the defense side of the ball this past year just
Speaker 1: want to be a part of that. I don't want
Speaker 1: just Mic out there making plays by him, So shoot,
Speaker 1: let me get in on this right. I ain't made
Speaker 1: play since birth, But guess what, I'm go out there
Speaker 1: and do it now because he's out there doing it.
Speaker 1: You want that, and I think that that's somebody that
Speaker 1: you want, that you want to build around. And obviously
Speaker 1: I think that they're they're starting to do so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean it was a complete overhaul the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the football, and it started with one guy
Speaker 1: that was number eleven on that side. Now, if Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott prior to the injury, you mentioned trajectory, heck, the
Speaker 1: true objectory, the confidence, the leadership abilities, all those things
Speaker 1: were there prior to the injury. You could argue that
Speaker 1: trajectory has kind of been a stagnant since then. Do
Speaker 1: you think prior to that he would be on that
Speaker 1: that initial list of guys up in that conversation with
Speaker 1: the Allens and the Mahomes and stuff like that, I
Speaker 1: think everybody is putting two on the team with Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: I think his decision making needs to be called into
Speaker 1: play as well. He didn't do all the great things,
Speaker 1: and it's because he's way up in Buffalo that he
Speaker 1: didn't get the scrutiny in the market because he didn't
Speaker 1: do a good job with all he had thrown Dak
Speaker 1: on touchdowns and interceptions as well. I mean, look Dak
Speaker 1: right now, if you take away the New York and
Speaker 1: it's his foot turn first the way, okay, and he's
Speaker 1: sitting there trying to figure out what is his career
Speaker 1: going to be like? After that, he came back and
Speaker 1: he balled. We were looking at pictures of him walking
Speaker 1: into Luke Casey's and his freaking ankle was the size
Speaker 1: of a great fruit. But he went out there and balled.
Speaker 1: And I take to one play, and that's the one
Speaker 1: against New England to walk off touchdown the Sea lamb.
Speaker 1: To me, that was the foreshadow for Dak of the
Speaker 1: whole twenty twenty one season because he that was his
Speaker 1: highest high and his lowest low because he got injured
Speaker 1: on the same freaking play and it took the whole
Speaker 1: offense with him after that, right, he was firmly in
Speaker 1: the MVP conversation at that moment. Think about that moment,
Speaker 1: Think about that one play and what that meant. Because
Speaker 1: if you walk off from that situation healthy and you
Speaker 1: go to through the bye or beat Minnesota and going
Speaker 1: to the bye, doc, you're cooking with house. You got
Speaker 1: house money right now, right, And so everybody's looking at
Speaker 1: Dak in the way that he finished the season and
Speaker 1: would not give any credits to what we talked about
Speaker 1: with fielding, the offensive line, the penalties, the kicking game,
Speaker 1: all of that and putting it on Dak and said,
Speaker 1: oh man, he's not in that Josh Allen. But you
Speaker 1: ain't watching Josh Allen then, you know. But nobody said
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, And you know, I would think as far
Speaker 1: as the other guys, I mean, this is the guy
Speaker 1: you want to want to start talking about before you
Speaker 1: even get to a Herbert or Josh Allen. In my opinion, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: That's why I said recency bias with Josh Allen because
Speaker 1: I think the last image was like, oh man, he
Speaker 1: took the Chiefs to the brain, He's maybe the guy.
Speaker 1: Then Joe Burrow beat the Chiefs. I got you who's
Speaker 1: your pick? Who you got? Oh? I picked Mahomesh Cowboys. Yeah, Dak.
Speaker 1: I would still would pick Dak quarterback second on that
Speaker 1: list with me, Micah. So I'm right there with you
Speaker 1: guys in terms of the reasoning altogether. But I think
Speaker 1: Dak is still the guy here. If you had to
Speaker 1: pick one guy, one Jersey that's going to be the
Speaker 1: biggest impact man on how this organization will either succeed
Speaker 1: or how it would have fail. It is firmly on
Speaker 1: the shoulders of Dak Prescott, Right, That's exactly the point.
Speaker 1: So I think I think he's in that conversation he
Speaker 1: would be the guy would want to build around, because
Speaker 1: that's exactly who you have built around. And there's that's
Speaker 1: where you got to get to some of it too.
Speaker 1: For me is I got to spend like forty five
Speaker 1: minutes with him for something else we're doing last week
Speaker 1: while I wasn't on the show. Sure, and it's just
Speaker 1: hard to like just being around him. The type of
Speaker 1: guy is the type of leadery. It's just it's hard
Speaker 1: not to think there's something big that's he's gonna do
Speaker 1: at some point. I just that's just how I feel
Speaker 1: about it. But but it's hard enough to put Micael
Speaker 1: there because Mikea just had a season that really we
Speaker 1: almost haven't seen in the NFL for a rookie defensive player,
Speaker 1: and it's like, how good can this guy be? So
Speaker 1: I don't know, you flip a coin, I guess it's
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on Mica to perform at a
Speaker 1: higher level this year. Absolutely, I think he's got to
Speaker 1: take the next step that you would anticipate for a
Speaker 1: pressure on him. I think they aintbody on his team.
Speaker 1: That's a conversation we might have in a future episode
Speaker 1: because that's a pretty interesting statement. But that's gonna do
Speaker 1: it for us. We are out of time here on
Speaker 1: a Talking Cowboys Tuesday. Once again, Ota is going on
Speaker 1: all week long. We will break it down for you.
Speaker 1: We'll get a chance to watch him practices between now
Speaker 1: and next Tuesday for Chris Being, Ron Phillips, Isaiah Standback,
Speaker 1: heck My Harrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman's thanks for joining us.
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