1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: What's up everybody walking to Move the Sticks presented by 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: Zaxby's DJ and Bucky. Back with you and Bucky. We've 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: got a fun episode today. Man. Yeah, man, it's it's 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: it's an exciting time. It's an exciting time because we're 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: getting to the thick of the season. Um. We always 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: talk about this time of year. Um, the first four 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: games are still like the preseason. You kind of sort 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: out what you have and you're trying to get rotations 10 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: and those things down. And now we're beginning to understand 11 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: the identity of your team and so we should see 12 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: an uptick in terms of the level of play that 13 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: we're getting it with some of the moves that are 14 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: being speculated, the bye week coming and some of the 15 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: changes that are being made. Um, it's it's a really 16 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: exciting time, especially from our vantage point where we like 17 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: to look at the team building process and how you 18 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: can put together the ultimate team to win the title. Yeah. 19 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: One of the big pieces of news, the biggest piece 20 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: of news this week has been the decision in the 21 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins made to make the quarterback switch to t 22 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: a Tonga Voloa. Ryan Fitzpatrick goes to the bench. Um, 23 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: he had some mentioning things to say about that, But 24 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: if you're interested in learning more about tah and the 25 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: fact that these left handed is kind of unique and um, 26 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: we don't see many left handed quarterbacks. We did our 27 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: last episode with interviews with all types of guys that 28 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: could speak on that subject, between Mark Burnell, Steve Mary Uchi, 29 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: Michael vick um on and on. Maybe we have five 30 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: or six different guests on the Chris collins Worth Boomer 31 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: size and so, uh go back and check that out 32 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: if you missed that episode. And on today's show, we're 33 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: gonna have some fun discussions here at the top, but 34 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: we're also gonna have an interview with Chris Fowler, somebody 35 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: that you know, we've both everybody's followed and known about 36 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: Chris Fowler forever. He's the best in the business, calling 37 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: play by play for with Kirk Herb Street on the 38 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: on the number one college football game, calling the National Championship. 39 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: Every year. We see him on tennis coverage, we saw 40 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: him as a host of Game Day forever. Go back 41 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: to scholastic sports, of that's what that's what I was looking. 42 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: When I was racking my brain, I was like, man, 43 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna being in high school, Like, what was the 44 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: show that he was Yes, yes, start they were hosting. 45 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: They were hosting that, So now he is um, but man, 46 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: he is so talented. He touches so many different things, 47 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: not only in football, but also what he does with 48 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: the tennis world. Um, he's one of the best. So 49 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: it would be a great conversation. Yeah, so stay tuned 50 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: for that. Before we get to him, though, at the top, 51 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: here a couple of things wanted to hit on. We 52 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: we've got the big tent kicking off this weekend, which 53 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: is gonna be fun to see some of those top players, 54 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: including justin fields and action. Um, but I do want 55 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: to kind of put a bow on the whole thing 56 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: that happened in Miami. Here real quick, there's your thoughts 57 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: on we talked about We've talked about the decision that 58 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 1: was made, but now I'd love to get your thoughts 59 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: on the way of Fits handled it in the press 60 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: conference afterwards. So here's here's the thing about Miami. I 61 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: think Brian Floors did what everyone expected. We all expected 62 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: at to a tongue about Lowe would be named the 63 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: starting quarterback whenever they got to the bye week. That's 64 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: the natural breaking the season. That's typically when teams opt 65 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: to do the red shirt thing where they started to 66 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: rookie on the bench and then eventually they elevate him 67 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: to the starter. They normally do it around the bye 68 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: week because it's an extended week. You get two weeks 69 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: to get your quarterback ready to play, and so it's 70 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: the natural. It's the natural marking point on the calendar 71 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: to say, Okay, this is where we're going to do it. 72 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: Thereby week change because of the scheduling reshuffle links where 73 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: we moved up, and so it forced them to um 74 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: make the decision a little sooner. But I think Ryan 75 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick's reaction one was shocking. Two it was a bit selfish, 76 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: uh when I look at it, because it put the 77 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: attention on him and took away from the team. And 78 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: even though the news leaked out before Brian Floyd has 79 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to fully addressed the team, it just 80 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: kind of created a I was saying, unnecessary conversation around 81 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: the team because everyone knew that to a ton of 82 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: the lows the future. Even if Ryan Fitzpatrick plays well 83 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: this year, like, okay, what is it? Next year? Two 84 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: is going to be the starter. So I really don't 85 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: understand Um airing out the heartbreak. Yes, you've been demoted. 86 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: Yes it's hurting for any private player to find his 87 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: way to the bench. But if you pride yourself in 88 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: being a mentor and a leader, you had to know 89 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: that was coming. And your job is to make sure 90 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: that you do the stuff that is best for the team, 91 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: not your own selfish interests. In some ways, I almost 92 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: wonder if they did Fits a favor that he's kind 93 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: of going out on a high note here with the Dolphins, 94 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: so that he's gonna have an opportunity if he wants 95 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: to go somewhere else and start next year. If if 96 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: you've got another team that's that's gonna be drafting a 97 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: quarterback or needs a bridge, Fitz is coming off a 98 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: high note and shows that he could be that guy. 99 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: So if anything, I think the Dolphins kind of preserved him, 100 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: saved him from himself a little bit, because you know 101 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: the eternal games were going to come, and it was 102 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: coming DJ like, let's made no mistake about it. They 103 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: shut out the New York just oh but seven of 104 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: the thirteen drives ended with a punt, two others ended 105 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: with interceptions by him, and so it wasn't like he's 106 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: coming off of a landmark performance. Yes, they defeated the 107 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine, and I think that was a 108 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: big win because none of us expected them to go 109 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: on the road and handle the forty niners in the 110 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: way in which they did. But I mean, he was 111 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: playing five. He had a couple three yard games and 112 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: those things. But in terms of being able to build 113 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: this team for the long haul, you gotta put the 114 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: rookie in. You gotta put the rookie in. You need 115 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: to see what he has. You have to get him 116 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: the experience, not only on game day, because I think 117 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't understand in the National Football League, 118 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: the way the practice reps work. The starter gets eight 119 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: other reps and so if two is the number two, 120 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: he's getting ten to fifth team percent the reps. He 121 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: may only get twelve reps a day. That's not enough 122 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: to accelerate his development to get him ready to play. 123 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: And so put him in as the starter. Let him 124 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: come in all the reps and walk throughs, practices, live 125 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: game action, Let chan Gaily get used to building an 126 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: offense around his talent and then let the front office 127 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: see how can we best help him. What kind of 128 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: supporting players do we need around him? Do we need 129 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: big guys that can expand the strikes on, do we 130 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: need quick guys that can take it down to feel 131 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: we need these catcher runs specialists so we can operate 132 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: in the quick game. What kind of running back do 133 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 1: we need behind him? A big banger like a Derrick 134 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: Henry type, or do we need to scat back type. 135 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: You need to see all these things so we can 136 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: visualize and imagine what we need to put around him. 137 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: And you can't do that by just looking at to 138 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: a player on the practice field. Yeah, I'm gonna mess 139 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: up this phrase, but something along the lines of like 140 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 1: good is the enemy of great, right, I mean, because 141 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: you can see good and say we're comfortable here, this 142 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: is good, this is not bad, We're okay, and it's 143 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: like no, no no, no, we want to be great. And 144 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: and that's why we we talked about the other day, 145 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: were talking about t shirts versus titles. Do you want 146 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: to be somebody who sneaks in the back door of 147 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: the playoffs and gets smashed in the first round, just 148 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: so you can say you we had a good year, 149 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: you know, wild card team, that's good year. Or do 150 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: you want to try and chase the championship And the 151 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: best way to do that is to get your quarterback 152 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: up and running on his rookie deal, filling around and 153 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: build it up as you were talking about their bucket, 154 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: and then we can go chase the big title. Um 155 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: to me, I think it's just seeing the bigger picture 156 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: and they look the same thing I feel, you know, 157 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: feel bad or I don't feel bad. I mean, this 158 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: is the same thing that happened in college. Jalen Hurts 159 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: was was rolling right along, think about and then they 160 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: then they put into over him and off they go. 161 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is a good player. Jalen Hurts won a 162 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: lot of games. But Nick Saban knew that there was 163 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: great out there, so he said, let's go that. Think 164 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: about Clemson. Think about how they were rolling along and 165 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, we're going okay, but we're winning games roundefeated. 166 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: But man, this Trevor Lawrence. If we can get him 167 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: up and running when we have to face the better 168 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: teams in the playoffs, he's gonna be ready. To roll. 169 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: It was the right move. Yeah, you gotta do it. 170 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: And and it's it's funny that you brought it up 171 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: because Nick Saban realized that in the middle of the 172 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: National Championship game, he pulled a plug on Jalen Hurts 173 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: put two us in and he has another title because 174 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: of it. Um, you talked about the fearless nature of 175 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: head coach Debo Swinney making that move to pool Kelly 176 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: Bryan to but Trevor Lawrence in Um, you recognize the 177 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: talent and you understand at his best, Fitzpatrick is nowhere 178 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: close to what to talk about Loa is. And so 179 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: if you're baking on the town and the long term potential, 180 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: you have to go with the quarterback. And it's uncomfortable 181 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: to make the move now because you're coming off when 182 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: you're sitting at five hundred and those things. But let's 183 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: be real, your five hundred, it's not like you're sitting 184 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: at five and one and six and oh and so 185 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: unless your standard is just mediocrity, now you want great 186 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: like you Chase seemed great. Like we're trying to win 187 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, and desk what everything is about. It's 188 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: not about winning the division so yes, we can be 189 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: happy with getting the the T shirt and the hat 190 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: and everyone's celebrating us from winning the a f C East, 191 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's about hoisting 192 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: the Lombardi Trophy. And two a time about Loya gives 193 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: you a better opportunity to get to that point than 194 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick, and that's why you make the move, no doubt. 195 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: I want to switch gears here real quick before we 196 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: get to the college season kicking off, because I've been 197 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: fascinating a little bit by the Rays and I've been 198 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: reading a lot about the Tampa Bay Rays and how 199 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: they how they've kind of built this thing and everybody 200 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: knows about their limitations financially, but there's a great article 201 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: on ESPN dot com about it. I wanted to read this, 202 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: this little quote to you here, and I'll keep in 203 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: mind Andrew Freeman, who runs the Dodgers. You know, he 204 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: started this whole thing with the rate and everybody underneath 205 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: him as scattered all over the end of the Major 206 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: League Baseball. Working with Andrew Freeman, depth was always something 207 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: that was critical to our organization. Eric Andander, the senior 208 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: vice president Baseball Operations and general manager, Tampa Um for 209 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,479 Speaker 1: health and for also for unexpected performance in both directions. 210 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: Depth is a way to have guys who can surprise 211 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: you in pleasant ways. In this division, we usually don't 212 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: bully clubs with the top of our roster. It's really 213 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: about flattening that talent slope from spots five through forty, 214 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: making sure we're strong there. And I thought, man, that 215 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: is a great picture, right And and the thing that's 216 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: crazy about what the Dodgers have done now is the 217 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: Dodgers have a deep roster. I mean they have incredible depth. 218 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: That's what Andrew Freeman took with him from Tampa. Now 219 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: they have the resources where they can also have the stars, 220 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: you know, those impact top tier guys as well as 221 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: a depth. And I thought, from an NFL standpoint, when 222 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: you look at teams, if you want to win a championship, 223 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: now you not only we've talked ABOUTOSE ten to twelve 224 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: Blue Ship players. You've got to have those those key 225 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: difference makers. But man, you better have depth in the 226 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: defensive line, offensive line, and secondary because you're gonna have 227 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: to be able to withstand some injuries as well as 228 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: some poor performance to be able to rotate and roll 229 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: guys through and I thought, man, that's ah, it's an 230 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: interesting way to kind of to uh, to try and 231 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: spread the resources that you have. Now the differences in NFL, 232 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: you have a salary cap, so you've gotta be a 233 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: little bit more concerned about that. But that's why it's 234 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: so huge when you can get star performance, those ten 235 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: or twelve player star performance out of guys on their 236 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: rookie contracts. So you're getting that star performance without the 237 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: the enormous cost, which allows you to really spread the 238 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: rest of that out to get yourself a lot of depth. 239 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: You know. What I love about that, and what I 240 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: love about the rais is funny that you you brought 241 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: it up because I just had read uh something about 242 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: the Rays and how uh sometimes you need to zig 243 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: when everyone else is egg. And what the Devil Rays 244 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: have done is they've done it. They've taken an unconventional 245 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: approach to be able to build a title contender, and 246 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: uh it has enabled them to be able to do 247 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: some crazy Oh my goodness, Hey, DJ, So we just 248 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: got a trade that came through and I'm I'm gonna 249 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about this. So the Minnesota Vikings just 250 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: traded Yannicking got way to the Baltimore Ravens for two 251 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: thousand and twenty one third round pick in a conditional 252 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: fifth round pick. There we go, Well, this is what 253 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: we had been talking talking about. We were saying, this 254 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: is going to be an active trade season. And when 255 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: we went through the teams that should be sellers, Minnesota 256 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: was one of the teams that we talked about. Where 257 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: our conversation last night. So I didn't minute mente interrupt 258 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: your thing, but I think this goes I think this 259 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: goes with your point. So we talked about depth. So 260 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: to Baltimore Ravens. We sit here and say that the 261 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens our championship caliber already as they were presently 262 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: constructed before the trade. They had Colas Campbell on the line, 263 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: I had Derek Wolf, they had Um matt Udon on 264 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: the defense line. But you hadn't still they still had 265 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: the ability to know for us to compete and compete 266 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: for the long call, we still need to add bullets 267 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: to the gun. We still need more ammunition because we're 268 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: not chasing the teams that we're already there. We're chasing 269 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: one of the two or three teams that legitimately have 270 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: a shot to win it. And the team that we 271 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: know is the front runner would be the Kansas City Chiefs. 272 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: So how do you deal with the Kansas City Chiefs. 273 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: You deal with them with a what four men rush, 274 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: so you can drop in coverage. You don't have to 275 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: consistently blitz. The Baltimore Ravens have had a tough time 276 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: dealing with the Kansas City Chiefs because they always have 277 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: to bring pressure, and bringing pressure plays to Pat Mahomes strength. Well, now, 278 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: after looking at how the Charges have had success against 279 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes keeping the score down, after watching how the 280 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills had a level of success keeping the score down, 281 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: let's go get another pass russure. So maybe we can 282 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: change our style so we're not locked into always blitzing. 283 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: Maybe we can play some four man or some three 284 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: man rushes and drop seven or eight and see if 285 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: we can slow the game down that way and then 286 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: on office and enables us to stick the running game 287 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: because the school is closer and it's not a shootout. Yeah, 288 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: and we've seen it with teams have done which started 289 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,239 Speaker 1: with the Chargers with Charges with a four man rush, 290 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: um just dropping in coverage and playing coverage, then Mahomes 291 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: ended up beating them with his legs. UM. So then 292 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: you've seen teams just out a little bit with the Raiders. 293 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: We saw some of the bills where you put four down, 294 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: but you only rush three. Have one of those four 295 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: spy ma Homes to keep from getting first downs with 296 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: his legs, and you play coverage. Well, now if you 297 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: look at what the Ravens can do, you try and 298 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: put your three rushers there. So you've got Calais Campbell 299 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: and in Goquay, who, by the way, we're teammates and 300 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: know each other very well. And I guarantee you that 301 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: Calais Campbell put his information to the Ravens, the vouch 302 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: for him that he would fit with what they do. Um. 303 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: But now you could go like you could have a pactor. 304 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: You got Jude on Calais Campbell and in Goquay really 305 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: rushed three. And if you want to just play, you 306 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: want to keep Patrick Queen on the field. Who's who's 307 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: a legit, you know, big time speed. You can blitz 308 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: him if you want, or you can just let him 309 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: hanging mirror Mahomes and say you're not gonna run. You 310 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: know it's not gonna happen, and you've got a chance 311 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: if you can, if you can show with in disguises, 312 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: which is what they do with Wink Martindale pre snap, 313 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: look disguise and try and manipulate some one on one 314 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: rushes even though you might only be rushing three guys. 315 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: You gotta love him, man. I love this, and I 316 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: love the boldness of the move because it is a 317 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: bold move to go and do it. And something must 318 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: have been going on because that's a relative penance to 319 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: pay for Yannick and Gotai. I don't think he's locked in, right. 320 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: I think this is the last year of his deal. 321 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: He is, he didn't get a new deal. But I think, 322 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: I mean, what did the I guess I would have 323 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: to go back and look at what for five so 324 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: and then I mean, you wanna talk about a steal? Yeah, 325 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what did um and got 326 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: Qui go to Minnesota for? What did they give up? 327 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: They initially sent a second round pick and a conditional fifth. Okay, 328 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: that's when it back. Yeah, it was a second in 329 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: a conditional five. They second, but they get the third. Yeah. Look, 330 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting scenario. It's an interesting move going forward. 331 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: Why why we're here, Buck, Let's let's let's look at 332 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: some of those other teams. Because to me, when we 333 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: were talking about this on the phone last night, we 334 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: were talking about, okay, if you want to look at 335 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: who should be sellers, and and again, the reason why 336 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna see a flurry of trades is because the 337 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: anticipation is the salary cap is going to be flat 338 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: or the cap may even go down next year. So 339 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: you've got a bunch of teams that are gonna be 340 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: way over the cap, that need to get rid of 341 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: some players. They're gonna have to trim pay roll. So 342 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: if you're not going anywhere this year, why wait till 343 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: the end of the year when you might be able 344 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: to spend some of these guys off and get some 345 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: draft picks in the process. So it's to me that 346 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: the sellers are bad teams with with kind of expensive 347 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: rosters or older rosters. So when I look at that 348 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: like that, you know, the Jets don't really have many 349 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: assets left to trade. The Bengals, I don't really see 350 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: them really having much in terms of assets. Jags have 351 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: a young team. Um, the Chargers are in last place 352 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: right now, but I think they're the way that they 353 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: will see how they go there one and four, they've 354 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: already had a buy. I think what happens over the 355 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: next couple of weeks could determine whether or not they might, 356 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, try and sell off a couple of guys. 357 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: But now we start getting into Minnesota at one in five, 358 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: Atlanta at one in five, Like, those teams to me 359 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: are absolute sellers, Like those are the two obvious sellers 360 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: when you look at it, and uh, to me, I 361 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: would anticipate teams making calls on guys like Julio Jones 362 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: with the Falcons, and I think that is I think 363 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: it's the perfect time. And you know, we talked about 364 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: trades and the other thing that is hanging out there 365 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: is the Antonio Brown situation because we've seen the CTL 366 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: Seahawks rumored to have an interest in that and DJ 367 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: I think it kind of plays along with the Devil 368 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: raised thing in terms of I mean, we can say 369 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown is a lot of things. He's uh, maybe 370 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: a locker room issue. Um, he's had his issues away 371 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: from the field, but if you can get him to 372 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: game day and we've seen him play, you're talking about 373 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame caliber player. You're talking about a 374 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: guy who has um. I mean, look, eleven eleven thousand yards. 375 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: He did it the second quickest time in a hundred 376 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: and twenty nine games, six straight one thousand yards seasons. 377 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: He's been a monster. And the prospect of being able 378 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: to put him on the field with DK Metcalf and 379 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett, with Russell Wilson, who I think plays a 380 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: style that works for Antonio Brown. We talked about Antonio 381 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: Brown being a sandlit player. With that is Rulson Wilson 382 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: is it just gives them a ton of options. And 383 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: if you and I are working in the front office 384 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: and we're looking at our team and we know that 385 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: we have a tough time stopping people, will less load 386 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: up and see if we make every game a shootout, 387 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: and if we make every game and shoot and put 388 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: so much pressure on you with our offense that you 389 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: can't keep up, that is a way for us to 390 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: play good defense because we're dictating the terms with our offense. 391 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: And I would say this, and I know there's a 392 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: lot of love on the streets for DK Metcalf and 393 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett. Neither one of those guys as Antonio Brown. Like, 394 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: neither one of those guys from a playing perspective create 395 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: the fear that Antonio Brown creates. And if anything, Antonio 396 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: Brown's presence will make them even more lethal, because I 397 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: think defensive coordinators will say, Okay, who do we know 398 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: that we have to double team. I think eighty four 399 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: would come and the double team and Dad would create 400 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: more opportunities for those guys to really work out. Yeah. 401 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I I think you can kind of 402 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: rationalize and explain it how it could work. I definitely 403 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: think the theory here is that we're halfway through the 404 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: season when he was when he comes in, You're not 405 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: gonna marry Antonio Brown. You're gonna date him for eight weeks. 406 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of that's kind of what you're 407 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: gonna do. But man, I just hasn't worked out. And 408 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: when you talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers and New England Patriots, 409 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: I mean, are they dumb? I mean these are two 410 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: of the best run organization National Football League who said 411 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: it's not worth it. It's just not worth it. I is. 412 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: But I think with with Pete's thing and annoying that 413 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: front office, they always want to kick the tires on 414 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: great players. And I think there is something that is 415 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: leading them to take these chances at wide receivers, something 416 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: that they see internally where they know they're not good enough. 417 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: Because remember they have Josh Gordon stashed away um and 418 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: so I mean he's been fine, but he hasn't been 419 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: like a dominant player when we've seen him play in 420 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: spite of his issues. There's some reason why Seattle is 421 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: kind of kicking the tires on these wide receivers. Is 422 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: something that they know they're lacking and they're afraid that 423 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: it would be exposed in the playoffs, are in one 424 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: of those bigger moments against one of those top teams, 425 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: and I think that's why they're willing to roll the 426 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: dice on some of these troubled players. Yeah, the talent, 427 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,719 Speaker 1: The talent is there. I just that one I don't know. 428 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: Man hasn't ended well the last three spots, and I 429 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: sometimes I think, what's the definition of unsanity? Buck? Yeah? 430 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: I know doing I mean doing the same thing twice 431 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: and multiple times different. The only, the only, the only, 432 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: the only thing about that for Antonio Brown's now or never. Yeah, 433 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: And it's a little risk deal, right like we're talking 434 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: about eight weeks he's coming in at if he comes 435 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: and he comes in at a minimum salary, Like there's 436 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: no money tied to the situation. If you can't get 437 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: if he messes it up in eight weeks, like it's 438 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: it's over, Like there's no one else that can do it, 439 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: And if he can't do it in Seattle, who else 440 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: is gonna take a chance, Like there's nothing, there's nothing 441 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: else out there. And so I think he knows And 442 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: think with that, I mean, I don't think it had 443 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: ruined the chemistry and all that. And if your quarterback 444 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: is advocating for it, it's one of those deals. Yeah, 445 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: I just I got I've got a one of the 446 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: maybe the best young wide receiver in the National Football 447 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: League on that football team in DK metcalf in terms 448 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: of what he can skill set wise, And just be 449 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: careful who you put in the room, That's all I'm saying. 450 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: And see, but I also be careful of like overvaluing 451 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: your own player, like he has been fantastic and terrific 452 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: or whatever, but there's still some limitations to his game 453 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: as a straight line guy, and I just wonder, I 454 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: just wonder, like can he be a traditional number one 455 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: receiver when we get to that second go around. You 456 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: know he had a fantastic rickey year, but Keinny, can 457 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: you sustain it? I got a trick question for you. 458 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: Did you hear what he said to Stefan Gilmore when 459 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: he was covering him in that game? Neither did Stefan Gilmore. 460 00:20:54,160 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: He wasn't he hen? So he's okay. I think he'll 461 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 1: be fine. Look, I'm never I'm never mad at like 462 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: a team trying to take a deal. I just I 463 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: just think he's one of those things like, uh, risk reward. 464 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: I think the reward is greater than the risk in 465 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: terms of what he can bring. And if he can't 466 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: get it right now, I don't think you ever get 467 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: it right. We'll see what happens. All right, Let's uh, 468 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit real quick here before we 469 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: get to Chris Fowler, your expectations, big tent kicking off. 470 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: We've seen, We've seen Trevor Lawrence have a fantastic start 471 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: to the season. Now Justin Fields gets to get his 472 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: crack at it. Well, he does get his crack at it, 473 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: But boy, you talked about the pressure on his shoulders, 474 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: because I don't care what anyone says. He had to 475 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: be peeking at those Clemson games, and he has to 476 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: be reading and hearing the buzz surrounding to Trevor Lawrence. 477 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: And so the thing that he has to do is 478 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,719 Speaker 1: not trying to do too much trying to catch up 479 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: to Trevor Lawrence. He needs to be himself. I think 480 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: he's a super talented player. Obviously, um he had those 481 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: he had Ohio State in the playoffs, and I'm curious 482 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: to see what he's added to his game. I think 483 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: what we've seen from Trevor Lawren he has added I 484 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: would say better management skills and ability. He doesn't appear 485 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: to be in such a hurry to go big game, 486 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: big play hunting, big play chasing, and because of that, 487 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: I think he is a more dangerous player this year 488 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: as a junior than he was as a sophomore. I 489 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: want to see does justin fields at that part of it? 490 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: So what can he add to his game to separate 491 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: him from some of the other guys at the position? 492 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: And I think this is interesting because Trade Lance is 493 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: in the conversation is maybe the uh number two quarterback, 494 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: So what does that look like? He gets more games 495 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: and trade Lance, But what does that comparison look like? 496 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: Can he put some separation between him and trade Lance? 497 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: If the conversation is who is the runner up to 498 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 1: Drevor Lawrence in this quarterback sweep states? Do you remember 499 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: real quick and we'll move on. Do you remember when 500 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: the when the season was not gonna happen? It was 501 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: Nebraska that was the most upset member, Scott Frost, we 502 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: want to play. We're gonna play. Announced it before everybody else, 503 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: like a Big tenants back before the Big ten got 504 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: a chance to even announce they were back. I thought 505 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: with the Ohio State this week and guys, hey man, 506 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: the black Shirts, we can ring the black Shirts bed 507 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: Maybe the Black Shirts gonna come back. I saw their 508 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: promotional video and they're coming back, and maybe, I mean 509 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: maybe maybe Tommy Fraser and those guys are gonna run 510 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: run out of tunnel and they're gonna bring it back. 511 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: They canna line up into eye and come back and 512 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: go back to the mid nineties when they used to 513 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: roll over people with two plays. There you go. I'm 514 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: not holding my breath on that one. All right, This 515 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 1: is this a fun episode. It's only gonna get more 516 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: fun here as we welcome on our next guest. He 517 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: is a legend in the broadcasting community. You know him 518 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: from calling games with Kirk Herb Street on ESPN and 519 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: ABC calls the Game of the week, has been doing 520 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: it for a long time, long time host of College 521 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: Game Day. You see him as the voice of tennis 522 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,239 Speaker 1: coverage for ESPN and ABC as well. And we, uh, 523 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: we can even go back a little bit further than that. 524 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: But excited to join with our guest here, Chris Fowler. 525 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: All right, Excited to have Chris Fowler with me here. 526 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: And Chris, I guess we're got a lot to ground 527 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: to cover here. But the first thing i want to 528 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: hit you on, because I've been looking forward to this conversation, 529 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: I want to go back to Scholastic Sports America because 530 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: I want to tell you my my Scholastic Sports America's 531 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: story here. So I'm I'm a kid, I'm probably uh 532 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: six or sixth grade, seventh grade. I'm at go to 533 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: Christian Junior High School down in San Diego, California. Christian 534 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: High School. We have Tony Clark. So Tony Clark ends 535 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: up being the second pick in the baseball draft. It 536 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: was a McDonald's All American Basketball Player. We find out 537 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: early in the week on the campus Scholastic Sports America 538 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: is coming to do a feature on Tony, So, I mean, 539 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: this is this is big news in alcohol at this time. 540 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: So we we were all fired up. He's got a 541 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: basketball game. The cameras that they're shooting Tony during a 542 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: basketball game, and all said, it's halftime and I Tony 543 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: doesn't come out, and I don't know what's going on. 544 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: The cameras are gone, they're not there anymore. Sclassic Sports 545 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: America needed footage of him throwing a baseball, and they 546 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: didn't want to stick around until the end of the show. 547 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: So at halftime, Tony put out his baseball uniform, went 548 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: up to the baseball field so they could get b 549 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: roll of him throwing and hitting, and then had to 550 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: get back in his hoops geared to get back for 551 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: the third quarter. That's a great television, Mars. You had 552 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: another athletic competition. That's my takeaway from your story. When 553 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: I did the show that that was my first gig 554 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: at ESPN eighties seven. We would take places like Alcahoon. 555 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: We would where do we want to go? And then 556 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: you go through the binder. This is like like pre email, right, 557 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: So parents would send in clippings and articles about their kid. 558 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: Coaches would do that. We would just get these massive 559 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: piles of stuff in the desk and like sift through it. 560 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: Let's go to San Diego. It's got to be a 561 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: kid in San Diego. Find me a story there. That 562 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: That's how it worked. Oh, it's so fun, but it 563 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: was that was our childhood was was watching that show 564 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: was fantastic. One of the things you've got a chance 565 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: to do this year. And we'll get in all the 566 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: college stuff in a second. But calling an NFL game, Um, 567 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: what was that like for you? Seeing these guys all 568 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: grown up that you you've covered and called somebody their 569 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: games in college? Well, no, yeah, it was a surreal 570 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: experience because I had to come out of fourteen days 571 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: and the U s t a bubble calling US open matches. 572 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: It wraps up. We had an amazing series of semis 573 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: and finals. So they call a best of three, thrilling 574 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: women's final on Saturday, a five set, crazy, dramatic to 575 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: an empty stadium Men's final on Sunday, come home and 576 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: then watch the Zoom calls with Ben and the Steelers. 577 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: That Sunday night preparation was a little bit mangled, I 578 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: have to say, And then go over across the river 579 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: to MetLife and call our first ever NFL game, and 580 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: it was a blast. I mean it was. It was fun. 581 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: We had plenty of time before the US Open. I 582 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: looked at like six Stealer games and six Giants games 583 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: from last year and and really had time to kind 584 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: of get ready for it. But still stepping out of 585 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: a tennis booth into a football booth to do a 586 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: first time thing when as you guys probably know, the 587 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: broadcasts are really different. Like you can't hit your spotter 588 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: next to you, the stat scouts over there in another space, 589 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: and everything is a screen. So instead of having guys 590 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: or around you helping, it's just a bunch of sources 591 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: and and you find yourself just like it's like air 592 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: traffic control, like scanning the screens and oh, by the way, 593 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: let's look at the field once in a while too. 594 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: So the mechanics were weird, but it was so much fun. 595 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: It wasn't Juju and Say Kwan and and Dexter Lawrence. 596 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: I mean those guys are used to talking about. It 597 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: was Ben Roethlisberger. That's freaking We were a little bit 598 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: on the periphery when he was in the Mac, Like 599 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: we were joking about the MAC Championship game was the 600 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: last time he was as nervous as he was for 601 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: that opening against the Giants, And so Kirk and I 602 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: we we're joking about that. But but just to call 603 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: a Ben Roethlisberger touchdown pass like it's no big deal 604 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: to an NFL broadcaster, but for me stepping into that world, 605 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: it was this kind of cool to see a legend 606 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: performed that way and it was obviously a meaningful event 607 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: in his career, so to be there to document it 608 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: was fun. It was you guys, an outstanding job. Was 609 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: such a good listen, as it always is, and I 610 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: thank you. As the difference with college calling college games 611 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: NFL games, I just know from doing the Charger games, 612 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: I'm so excited when preseason is over because your board 613 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: shrinks with all those things falling off, and I think, 614 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean this board, Unnesota board. Here a 615 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: little show and tell, you got a lot of written 616 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: in here, like these are guys who are who are 617 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: not really in the two deep, and you know how 618 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: hardball is with the two deep, like you don't really 619 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: get a quality two D because he wants to keep 620 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: the opponents in the dark, especially in an opener. We 621 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: finally had a phone call our our conference calls yesterday 622 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: and here's the board. But you're right, it's it's very 623 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: different experience calling calling NFL and college. Yeah, trying to 624 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: go through all those names. I can't imagine why we're 625 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: trying to do this comparison or college NFL. I love 626 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: to know a player maybe on each side of this, 627 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: a player that you saw in college that you swore 628 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: would be a success at the NFL level that didn't 629 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: necessarily happen. And then on the other side, some of 630 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: them maybe you had some doubts about that, then you 631 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: see the success they've had at the NFL level. That's 632 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: a good question. I mean, it's easy to talk about. 633 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: You know, they can't miss guys. I think what's interesting 634 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: when you when you look at the things that scouts, 635 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: you guys evaluate. I love what you guys do. I 636 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: love the point of view that you approach a game with. 637 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: When I watched UM games of analysts, a lot of 638 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: times they'll watch tape with a personnel perspective, in mind, 639 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: that's not really how I watch tape, and I'm not 640 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: qualified to analyze their qualifications for the next level. I 641 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: know what I see. I'm looking at very different things 642 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: when I watch tape in college. So to sit with Kirk, 643 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: I sat with you know, Matt Millen or Trevor Mattis, 644 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: and all these guys have sort of different things that 645 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: they look at and and sort of and analyze. Um. 646 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: But to get to your question, I mean, guys, I 647 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: think that you know, I was just really hopeful that 648 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson would be a good pro quarterback, and there 649 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: were so many skeptics and so many doubters. And I 650 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: understand all that because the prototype has now shifted and 651 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: I get to know these guys in the In the 652 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: Awards season, we covered plenty of Louisville's games. I was 653 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: there when he and DeShawn had this amazing duel in 654 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: death Valley and Shane got the win, but Lamar was 655 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: unbelievable and they came up a player to a couple 656 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: of yards short of winning that game, and so, you know, 657 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: I just I thought that he could translate. I think 658 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: obviously we're seeing in a weird way offenses trickle up 659 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: from from Saturday to Sunday, as you guys know. And 660 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: so he's a guy that everybody said was was never 661 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: gonna be. Not everybody, but only one or two teams 662 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: to believe in him, right, but a lot of people 663 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: were very skeptical. And I sort of get personally invested 664 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,719 Speaker 1: in guys like that and Baker and Kyler Murray, I mean, 665 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: those three quarterbacks who have won Heisman's and I've got 666 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: to know very well you sort of want them to succeed. 667 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: As someone that's invested in the Heisman community, you know, 668 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: I want those guys to do well. Um, and I'm 669 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: really excited that they have. And so I take that's 670 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: that's one of the ways, as I said that I 671 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: watched on Sundays guys that I loved covering, how are 672 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: they doing? Um? You know, it breaks my heart to 673 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: see safe one go down because he's one of my 674 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: favorite guys to watch in college and I know how 675 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: how competitive he is, how much it means to him. 676 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: So I guess I guess I enjoy seeing guys who 677 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: are great successes on Saturday but doubted by people like 678 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, proquestional job is right on this thing. And 679 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: I know how hard a job it is when your 680 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: livelihood depends on it. And yet the batting average isn't 681 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: great right for per personnel, And a lot of these 682 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: teams and guys who are I was, and I think 683 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: there's been plenty of guys that you sort of for 684 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: the same reasons. I'm not that I'm an expert evaluator 685 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: or talent for Sundays, but I like the player, I 686 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,239 Speaker 1: like the personality. The teammates say positive things about them, 687 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 1: and yet then you just know it doesn't happen at 688 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: the next level, so and and that. But that's the reality. 689 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: That's that's the lens that we try to view Saturdays through, 690 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: is that these guys should celebrate being college players. Their 691 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: dreams are not gonna happen for a lot of them, 692 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: They're just not gonna make it, and it's a hard 693 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: pill to swallow. But in the meantime, enjoy your college 694 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: experience because I might be the pinnacle of what you 695 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: ever do in this board. Absolutely, when you look at 696 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: some of the young quarterbacks that we have that are 697 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: playing at a really high level, gonna be kind of 698 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: the face the NFL as we go forward for the 699 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: next decade plus. And I don't you get into individuals, 700 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: but is there has there been something when you're meeting 701 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: with these coaches and meeting with these players. I'm just 702 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: curious if there's been some characteristic or or something you've 703 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: been able to tie these quarterbacks together that that have 704 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: been successful. Is there? You know, toughness? We talked to 705 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: urban Meyer a lot about it. That that word comes 706 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: up and and I don't know, necessarily a buzzword, but 707 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: have you been able to find anything? You see? Man, 708 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: this this this sounds familiar with some of these other 709 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: guys I've known they have been very successful that connects them. Yeah, 710 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: that's a that's a good question. I think toughness. Not 711 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: not to piggyback, because I'll get to other things, but 712 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: toughness it starts there, right. If you don't have the 713 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: mental and physical toughness, the resilience to play that position 714 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: at the highest level and be the face of a 715 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: franchise at all, that that entail you got no shot, 716 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: right and and not to mention take the beating, just 717 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: to just to give you a sense of and maybe 718 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,239 Speaker 1: people who are not as familiar with the high end 719 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: of college versus the NFL. I've watched NFL games from 720 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: the field. I mean not many can't do it now, obviously, 721 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: but I've had the opportunity to do it, and I've 722 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: been blown away by the difference between that and even 723 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: the highest level of college when it comes to playing 724 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: the quarterback position and really any offensive skill position, because 725 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: of the there's just the sheer violence, the speed, and 726 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: the and the ferocity of the collisions. I've seen Bama, Clemson, 727 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: l S, U, Georgia, Ohio State. Okay, it's still not 728 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: the same, and it's not close if you're being objective 729 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: to it and not. I'm not talking down college. I'm 730 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: just saying there's a different vibe that for an outsider 731 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: to the NFL who steps into that world once in 732 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: a while is palpable. There's like a I don't know, 733 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: can I It's like a malevolence to it, like you 734 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: are taking food off of my family's table. I'm gonna 735 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: stop you. Not that they're trying to hurt the guy, 736 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, it's a it's a 737 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: very different vibe that I get. I'll tell I'll tell you, 738 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: I'll tell you real quick because I was gonna get 739 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: on this point my brother when I was working with 740 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens, my brother came out to visit me 741 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: and was gonna take him to the game. I got 742 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: the sideline passes. So the warm ups end and he 743 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: starts to walk go no, no, no no, no, no no. 744 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: I said, stay on the I want you to stay 745 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: on here for one series with the Ravens on defense 746 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: so you can watch and feel Ray Lewis and Ed 747 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: Reid and the physicality, the speed and the violence. And 748 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: so he's like, okay, you know whatever. So we stay 749 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: there for the first series that his eyes got like this, 750 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: because whatever you think you see on television, you have 751 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: no idea to you've stood on the sidelines and watch 752 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: that up close. No, you're right, And that's what I think. 753 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: I wish more fans who criticize these guys, who call 754 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: it guys soft, who like to label people, are quick 755 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: to criticize. You should see what you're talking about. You 756 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: should see it up close, and you might begin to 757 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: gain some sense of understanding. Remember Rob Johnson, the former 758 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: Bills quarterback US and Bob Johnson his dad was Yeah, 759 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: so I was out there. Yeah that's I guess that's 760 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: your part of the world. So we had done this 761 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: Glassic Sports story on Brett before he u cli e 762 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: mentioned in Michigan State and I knew Rob, but he's 763 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: an eighth grader. So Rob's with the Bills now and 764 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: I get a chance to watch Bill's Dolphins game on 765 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: the field, and Dolphins at that point had had a 766 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: nasty pass rush and I was was the same reaction 767 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: that you're talking about your friend had. I was like, 768 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I really like this kid. I've known 769 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: this kid forever. I feel like his life's in jeopardy. 770 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 1: It's true. So you know, I think that it does 771 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: start with toughness, mental and physical. Know how do they 772 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: can they command a meeting? Can they can they command 773 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: your attention? Do they have that that intangible quality because 774 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: we all know what it's like to watch a talented 775 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: guy throw the ball in college. For me, it was 776 00:35:54,920 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: watching Matthew Stafford's arm strength Andrew looks accuracy. You know, 777 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: Mariota had a precision to him and he's in Oregon, 778 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: but a lot of times he was throwing the open receivers. 779 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: Luck was throwing to like this numeral or this numeral 780 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: of of like Zach Ertz. You know it was it 781 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: was that kind of accuracy, which again, when you see 782 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: it live on the field, you understand how small the 783 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 1: window is. You know, it just it just blew me away. 784 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: And then then you then you see, you know, some 785 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 1: of the other intangibles that are evident. I mean, I'm 786 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: speaking with like NFL style quarterbacks, not going back in 787 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: the day, because there are plenty of option guys that 788 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: impressed me too. But but obviously, you know, I think 789 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: Burrow belongs in that category and in terms of what 790 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: he what he brought to it at that that offense 791 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: that he orchestrated, he was a perfect storm. But it 792 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 1: is the greatest college offense that I've seen in thirty 793 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: four years of being around the sport. And and Joe 794 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: you could not fail to be impressed with him in 795 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: a meeting that that confidence just came right through. I'm 796 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: sure he you know, he obviously nailed the interviews, and 797 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, guy, they're just you know, like Trevor Lawrence 798 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: is gonna go to Sean. You knew they were gonna 799 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: kill the interview. They were just gonna impress every single 800 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: personnel person who was in front of them because they 801 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 1: exuded those qualities. Um, yeah, obviously obvious things like accuracy. 802 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,439 Speaker 1: I mean, we know that it's the vibe you get 803 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: off of them, and it's why you don't get a 804 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 1: great feeling of it every single guy y're around who's 805 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: productive in college because they maybe don't have those same qualities. 806 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: And you just wonder, if you don't have it now 807 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: and you're and you're at the top of this level 808 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: of the sport, how are you gonna get it at 809 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: the next level where you kind of starting over again. 810 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 1: And and a lot of them don't. So that's fascinating. 811 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: I would take the same approach here with coaches. So 812 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: we're talking a lot about we've already got gosh, we've 813 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: already got two uh coaches openings right now in the NFL. 814 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna probably have a handful and there's inevitably gonna 815 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: be the discussion about the college coach, especially with the 816 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: job that Matt Rules doing in Carolina. So when when 817 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: you've been around and the best of the best at 818 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: the college level, is there is there anything that you 819 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: pick up on and those meetings with you know, the 820 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 1: Nick Sabans, the Dabbos, the Matt Rules, whoever you. You 821 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: know those those coaching meetings where you go, Okay, this 822 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: guy's got it. It's funny that you love Matt in 823 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: with those two guys. I know, the accomplishments aren't the 824 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: same level of achieving, but he has. But he has, 825 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: he has a presence about him when he when he 826 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: walks in the room. As you were talking about with quarterbacks, 827 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 1: I think you feel Matt rule when you visit with 828 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: somebody like that. Well, I think his players do. Man, 829 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 1: I know Matt. Matt was a Temple We covered some 830 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: Temple games or a prominent Temple game, and I was 831 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: around the program. I really liked him a lot. We 832 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: kept in touch after that first encountered as watching the 833 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 1: way that his players related to him. Guys are very 834 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: different backgrounds, and if you can go from there right 835 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: Center City, Philadelphia to Waco, Texas, you have a very 836 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: troubled and toxic situation out there and try to pick 837 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: up the pieces and relate to those players who don't 838 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: have a lot in common from their background, the guys 839 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: who are playing for Temple. And you succeed at that level, 840 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 1: I mean, then then you know, Okay, he's got the gift, 841 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: not not a dealing with people like me, but of 842 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,240 Speaker 1: dealing with players and getting the buy in and getting 843 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: the most out of them, and they want to play 844 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: for him. I was really sad to see, you know, 845 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,479 Speaker 1: Matt Lee Baylor, I mean Baylor. It was a really 846 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: really hard job after the Briles era, Matt was We 847 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: thought he was crazy for taking the job. Um, he 848 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: had other opportunities ended up working out great for him, 849 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: but it was a blow sort of to that program 850 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: and to college to lose him so quickly. I get 851 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: what he wanted to go to Carolina, and I think 852 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 1: obviously I'm I became a Panthers fan the day they 853 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: hired him for that reason. But he he's got it. 854 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: Dabbo and Nick just have an organizational brilliance and genius 855 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 1: every detail. Um. They're very very different personalities, as you know, 856 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,280 Speaker 1: but they're both at the highest level and they create 857 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: cultures kind of in their own image, and they hire coaches. 858 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: Dabbo has done it with the tremendous continuity of coaching assistance, 859 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: and Nick has done it with a cares assistance constantly 860 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: coming and going, which is incredibly challenging to maintain the excellence. 861 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: I don't think people really understand he's out for a 862 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: couple of days preparing remotely for Georgia, the most challenging opponent, 863 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 1: and because of that infrastructure, what he's put in place 864 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: like that isn't even a factor like that, it's no 865 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: big deal at all. And if he would have made 866 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: a difference, but he that could have been super disruptive. 867 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: Right to have him out of the office in this game, 868 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: and it's it's a testament to what he's put in place. 869 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: There's no doubt that given a different situation and what 870 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,879 Speaker 1: he had in Miami, and he would have been able 871 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,760 Speaker 1: to succeed. I'm just I'm just glad that these guys 872 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: beside the park themselves in college football for a while 873 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: because it makes the sport better. I think, let's looking 874 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: at those two individuals. When you look at Dabbo and 875 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: Nick obviously totally different personalities, a team and a little 876 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 1: bit of the image of them. But I think the 877 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 1: word authentic and I think maybe on the outside some 878 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 1: people think, oh, Dabbo, that's stick and that's not that's 879 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: literally that's that's Dabo. That is was exactly you know, 880 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: it's exactly what he wants. Nick does too, That's what 881 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: I get when when you're talking about and I don't 882 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: know a lot of NFL coach as well, I interact 883 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: with them sometimes we obviously did for the opener. Very 884 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: different personalities, you know, Tomlin and Judge are very different 885 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 1: places in their career. But you just you can't help 886 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: but think, wow. I mean, you're you're coaching a bunch 887 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: of grown, asked men who are extremely wealthy, and now 888 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: how are you able to connect with them? How are 889 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: you able to be an authority figure but also be 890 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: a buddy when that's called for and be a psychologist? 891 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: I think, um, in some ways, it's even more challenging 892 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: at the college. I look as the players are less 893 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: mature that the rosters and double the size, but that 894 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: that aspect of coaching is always interested in me. You know, 895 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 1: can you do you know what you want in terms 896 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: of recruiting, hiring, and and can you get people to 897 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: to fit into that and then lead them? And it's 898 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,439 Speaker 1: you're you're talking about guys who are at the top. 899 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: The job is really difficult. You're trying to keep together. 900 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: They're a losing team. And that's that's where I feel 901 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: for for coaches at any level, because football is not 902 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: very fun when you're losing, right, and then they go 903 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: in there and keep grinding every day. We don't get that. 904 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: We don't do many games involving teams that are like 905 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: two and six. But I look at the NFL broadcast. 906 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: Here's I'm thinking, wow, Like, what would it be like 907 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: to do a Jets game? Are met a lot of nuggets? 908 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: Are they tense? Are they You got a lot of filler? 909 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: You got a lot of filler material ready to from 910 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,879 Speaker 1: from the jump. It's awkward because you want to talk 911 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: about positive things and when you have to grasp at 912 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: some shred a positivity when this season is not going well, 913 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: that's not something we have to deal with the college 914 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: level too much. We're ready to deal with teams that 915 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: are doing really good. You realize. So it's eleven fifty four. 916 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: It's eleven four right now. At one o'clock, I'm leaving 917 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: to go up to the studio in l A to 918 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: call the Giants and the Eagles for Amazon. So this 919 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,439 Speaker 1: whole calling games between bad NFL teams thing is hitting 920 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,399 Speaker 1: a little bit most the home for me. Right, Can 921 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,280 Speaker 1: you can you get in your contract to just avoid 922 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,399 Speaker 1: the NFC East? But you know how it is, that'll 923 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: have more there will be more interest in watching. The 924 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: fan bases are enormous in that division. They'll all be 925 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: watching and and like, uh, it's also there's also compelling 926 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: nature and desperation, right, desperation, desperation you can sell that. 927 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: That is fantastic. Um, Hey, the uh the tennis thing, 928 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: I want to get into that. And I'll be honestly, 929 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,280 Speaker 1: I know nothing about tennis, but I know when Serena 930 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: Williams comes on my TV and I know it's a 931 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: semifinal or a final, I find myself I can't I 932 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: can't turn it off because of the competitive nature with 933 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,919 Speaker 1: which she plays tennis. Not know and and you guys 934 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: do a great job on the broadcasting on the call, 935 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 1: but she just pulls me in. Is is there anybody 936 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: else in the world of tennis that that can pull 937 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: you in like that? And what is it about her 938 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,359 Speaker 1: that makes her so dominant for so long? Well, it's 939 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: a lot of factors. I mean, what you're talking about 940 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: initially is the it factors. She just has a great 941 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: charisma in her game. Her game itself is charismatic, but 942 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,479 Speaker 1: the force of her personality, the fact that she lets 943 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: you into her emotions whatever they are, and brings you 944 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,240 Speaker 1: along for the ride. And that works for her. Players 945 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: that conceal their emotions try to stay calm and flatline 946 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: because it works for them. I don't blame them. They're 947 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: trying to win a match, but it's not compelling. It 948 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,280 Speaker 1: doesn't come through the screen in the way that you're describing. 949 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,919 Speaker 1: Rafa Nadal does that for me. On the men's side, 950 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 1: I think he's the most um compelling competitive athlete I 951 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 1: think that I've covered. And one thing about tennis that's fun, 952 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 1: as opposed to my college football gig where guys come 953 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 1: and go quickly, is you get to see these players 954 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: and these personalities develop over time. So I've called Rafa matches, 955 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, for fifteen years and seeing him go from 956 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,439 Speaker 1: a teenager to a guy in his middle thirties who's 957 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: still playing an incredibly high level. And he's probably the 958 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,879 Speaker 1: favorite athlete that I've called because his game is charismatic, 959 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 1: effort and energy and passion, and he lets you in. 960 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,359 Speaker 1: He lets you see what he's feeling. And that's that's tough. Man. 961 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: When you only have two people, So if focus on 962 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 1: on the court and viewers only have two people to 963 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: look at, and they're both flatline personality wise. As great 964 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: as the tennis is, it's kind of you're limiting your audience, right, 965 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: because people who are not hard cores are not gonna 966 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,319 Speaker 1: be interested in two people who are robots out there, 967 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: even even if you're playing great. Yeah, what about Federer? 968 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: What what's made Federer so good? Well, I mean he's 969 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,879 Speaker 1: he's like Mozart. He steps out there and he's got 970 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 1: his skill set that is just pure genius. But he 971 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,840 Speaker 1: also knows how to take care of his body. Um, 972 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: no detail is left undone. His physical training, which you 973 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 1: never see away from the tournaments, he doesn't show it 974 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 1: once he gets on site. But what he does in 975 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 1: terms of his flexibility, his movement, um elasticity to maintain 976 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: incredibly high level plays almost forty years old is so apparent. 977 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: And then then he's just got that regal presence. I 978 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,879 Speaker 1: mean he just oozes like charisma in a different way 979 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 1: than Serena does and Rafa does. But you know, Federer 980 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 1: is just he attracts adulation and it's just a magnetic way. 981 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 1: He means the most popular player in the history of 982 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 1: the sport, and Rapha is probably number two. In terms 983 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: of overall fan popularity and and um, you know it's 984 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 1: we're all preparing for the post Serena, Roger and Rafa 985 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 1: Era and it's gonna be a tumultuous time for the 986 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,240 Speaker 1: sport when those three big personalities step away. Last question 987 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 1: from me. You've been very generous with your time and 988 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I want you to tell me a 989 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,279 Speaker 1: little tell me, tell me about the podcast. Tell me 990 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: about the new podcast you've got. Oh, thank you. I 991 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: appreciate that it's not a sports spot first of all, 992 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,280 Speaker 1: because um, ESPN kind of has me in that space 993 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: and I kind of want something that shifts away from 994 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 1: the day jab. So the podcast are just topics that 995 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,279 Speaker 1: interest me. But there's a lot of sports guests on it. 996 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 1: Had Rich Eisen was on it telling NFL stories and 997 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,479 Speaker 1: that that that's some people who enjoy that. Willie guys 998 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,799 Speaker 1: to Maria Taylor and Jeremy schaff That was in one 999 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 1: episode kind of the good, the bad, and the funny 1000 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: of their interview histories. So it's Shaft talking about Bob Knight, 1001 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: Mike Tyson and Ridge telling story is Maria about Nick 1002 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: Saban and other college coaches. And then Willie Geis has 1003 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: interviewed for his Sunday show and Today al Pacino and 1004 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: Letterman and Bill Murray and so it was just an 1005 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: hour and a half of storytelling. How other episodes are 1006 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: on the Bond of Brothers. Patrick mckinn are talking about 1007 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,359 Speaker 1: John McEnroe and the Kings of Leon. Guys are friends 1008 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 1: of mine. So we talk about laughter. We've got to 1009 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 1: the episodes on travel and fitness. His fitness is a 1010 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: real big interest of mine. So Desmond Howard, who just 1011 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,480 Speaker 1: turned fifty this year, is gonna come on with Gabby 1012 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: Reese who also turned fifty, the ex pro volleyball star, 1013 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 1: and they're gonna hear their wisdom on on sort of 1014 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: what what they've learned, which they knew, they what they 1015 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: wish they knew earlier. And so it's just it's I finally, 1016 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,880 Speaker 1: it's more work. You know this, It's more work than 1017 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,320 Speaker 1: you think it is going in. Yeah, your wife was 1018 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 1: it is like not don't you not like not having bumpers? 1019 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,839 Speaker 1: I mean for having a producer in your ear telling 1020 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 1: you we've got this much time you go where wherever 1021 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,239 Speaker 1: the heck do you want to go? You know what 1022 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,799 Speaker 1: it is though, I approach everything new with humility, because 1023 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 1: just because you think you know what it's like to 1024 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,800 Speaker 1: do in reviews and you think that talking to people 1025 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: a second nature in a podcast format, as you know, 1026 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,960 Speaker 1: and I'm finding out it's different. You just you have 1027 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: the ability to let someone go on long. We can 1028 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,759 Speaker 1: edit it if you want to, But unlike a TV 1029 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 1: interview where you just you feel like the meter is running, 1030 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 1: like you can see I'm long winded, as you can tell, 1031 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:26,000 Speaker 1: but you can just see imagine like a viewer's attention 1032 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 1: span is disappearing as the answer goes on longer. Well, 1033 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,239 Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about that in the pod, 1034 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 1: I mean we we people love long form conversations. They 1035 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: love being a fly on the wall is my impression 1036 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: of it anyway, And so that that part of it 1037 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,880 Speaker 1: is good. But having to relearn how to do the 1038 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,319 Speaker 1: interviews and just let it breathe and relax on the 1039 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: pacing of it and let them go and and trust 1040 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 1: the material. Right, so you what you guys do is 1041 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 1: so focused and so precise and cool. Okay, I can't 1042 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 1: believe you'll be talking tennis on here because normally I 1043 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,400 Speaker 1: love it. But you know, my thing is the opposite. 1044 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 1: It's like, we're gonna be doing heavy topics, um, talking 1045 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,560 Speaker 1: about athletes and depression and regular folks and depression and 1046 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,799 Speaker 1: how to overcome that, and and then we're gonna be 1047 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 1: talking about some very light topics too. So um, it's 1048 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,400 Speaker 1: sort of all over the place. But we're kind of 1049 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,360 Speaker 1: finding your way. By the way. The name of it, right, Fouler, 1050 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 1: Who You Got is the name is the name of 1051 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 1: the podcast, So encourage everybody to go check that out, 1052 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,439 Speaker 1: download and behind it, I'll tell you real quick. John 1053 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: a chance to hang out with John Madden when he 1054 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,359 Speaker 1: was I was at Colorado and John Madden was doing 1055 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: a game at Denver and went up to Boulder to 1056 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,040 Speaker 1: shoot a commercial. So I was, you know, I go 1057 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,439 Speaker 1: down there and Mr Madden, how are just hanging around 1058 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,840 Speaker 1: the background? Ten people came up to him and said, John, 1059 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,399 Speaker 1: who you got? Who you Got? And I can tell 1060 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: that question pissed him off. Is like, you know, basically, 1061 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,799 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna bet in the game. Who do you like? Yeah? 1062 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, take note of that and 1063 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,719 Speaker 1: never asked a question of anybody else and you but 1064 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 1: I do get that question all the time. And now 1065 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,839 Speaker 1: instead of answering, like I got clems in this week 1066 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 1: for Alabama. You can say, you know, I got Desmond 1067 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,359 Speaker 1: Howard or uh so that that's that's the conceit behind 1068 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,279 Speaker 1: the name. Well, I said it was the last one. 1069 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 1: But I want to see if you if you can 1070 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 1: help me out here, give me some recommendations, because I'm 1071 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,640 Speaker 1: always finding different podcasts, Like I stumbled across this one. 1072 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 1: Have you seen this one called Fantastic Failures? No, it's 1073 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: a genius. It's a genius. So they've taken these companies, 1074 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,600 Speaker 1: um and these stories of these businesses that have climbed 1075 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 1: to tremendous success, only two then completely fall apart, Like 1076 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 1: I listened to one on toys R russ UM, and 1077 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,719 Speaker 1: it's always like the one fatal mistake that they've made, um, 1078 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,360 Speaker 1: that that cost them. But it's fact, like what everybody's 1079 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,319 Speaker 1: talking about. Let's study the greats and how do you 1080 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: become this out or the other. It's like, well, you 1081 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,560 Speaker 1: can learn from the mistakes as well. And it's such 1082 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,320 Speaker 1: a great concept for a podcast. So I've I've enjoyed 1083 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,239 Speaker 1: that one. But are there anyone's that you'd recommend that 1084 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,719 Speaker 1: you've you've taken a liking to. Yeah, it's funny. And 1085 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,240 Speaker 1: obviously there's the obvious ones. There's like the Joe Rogan's 1086 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,920 Speaker 1: and I I do listen to that. I I have 1087 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 1: a I have a soft spot for aliens and UFOs 1088 00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:58,880 Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff, So I'll listen to the 1089 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 1: crazy stuff that he gets the probably not for three 1090 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 1: hours at a time, but there's I'm into a pot. 1091 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,319 Speaker 1: I don't know if you'd like this or not, but 1092 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 1: it's one of these thing that unsolved mysteries. The premises 1093 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: that the c i A hired songwriters to write the 1094 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,680 Speaker 1: Scorpions song Wind of Change. Remember that, like Anthem, it 1095 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,000 Speaker 1: became a huge song in in Eastern Europe, you know, 1096 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,799 Speaker 1: about about the time that Berlin Wall was falling and 1097 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,600 Speaker 1: the time that that the Suvigian was just opening up. 1098 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,320 Speaker 1: And so the band, by the way, denies this. But 1099 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,440 Speaker 1: these two guys going this investigat talking to CIA agents, 1100 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, uh, anonymously. And I haven't finished the pod 1101 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,960 Speaker 1: because I don't know if they come to a conclusion 1102 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 1: at the end of it. I don't want to invest 1103 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,799 Speaker 1: in like ten hours of my time only to say, well, 1104 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,439 Speaker 1: who knows, Yeah, maybe they didn't. But but there's it's 1105 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,279 Speaker 1: just fascinating to dive into this world and see the 1106 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,759 Speaker 1: kinds of things that are covered in this format. You know, 1107 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 1: it's all there for you. Well, I encourage everybody's years out. Fowler, 1108 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 1: who you got, Chris has been It's been an honor. 1109 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,719 Speaker 1: I've been a big fan of hears for a long 1110 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 1: time and Herbie has been great to us. So I 1111 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,800 Speaker 1: appreciate you very much for giving us all this time today. 1112 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,719 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it every bit and we'll do it again anytime. Well, 1113 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,200 Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun, uh, talking with Chris 1114 00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,080 Speaker 1: Fowler from ESPN again, just as good as there is, 1115 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 1: and you can see, um, just how good of a 1116 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,279 Speaker 1: duty is as well. So to get a chance to 1117 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,120 Speaker 1: to visit with him was a thrill. Get a chance 1118 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,440 Speaker 1: to get some insight there on coaches and UH and 1119 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,799 Speaker 1: players as well as a little cross over there in 1120 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,759 Speaker 1: the tennis world. I feel like you always get a 1121 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,120 Speaker 1: chance to learn something when you talk to somebody like Chris, 1122 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,399 Speaker 1: So I do appreciate his time, um, and hopefully visit 1123 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 1: with him soon down the road here. But that's gonna 1124 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,160 Speaker 1: do it for us today. I hope you guys have 1125 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,279 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. It's been a fun podcast. We'll catch you 1126 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,399 Speaker 1: next time right here on Move the Sticks presented by 1127 00:52:48,480 --> 00:53:06,400 Speaker 1: Zaxby's about the temple up to Love Pout