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Speaker 2: Nine live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Here's Brian no,

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Speaker 2: Rich Hornberger and Jared Smith.

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Speaker 3: Oh what is going on?

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Speaker 4: Welcome in, Happy Saturday to you as we uh Man

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Speaker 4: got a lot of ball to talk about today, ball,

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Speaker 4: of course, meanting football. All rational thinking count beings come ball.

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Speaker 4: It's football, right right, you're rational thinking human being right there.

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Speaker 3: So we're just normal guys. It's ball. We're talking ball

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Speaker 3: and then some then some hardwood.

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Speaker 5: Some hoops. Who I like that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got hoops. We got college hoops.

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Speaker 3: Like a little NBA.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: Actually, you know, I'm gonna surprise you guys a little

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Speaker 4: bit here because I know you ever you have a dog? Rich,

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Speaker 4: I know Jared has a dog. Do you have a dog?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll send you guys a picture of the dog

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Speaker 3: we're fostering. We've got this giant, like sixty pound golden

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Speaker 3: Doodle husky mix.

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Speaker 5: Oh wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've had her for about a week a week yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Congratulations, Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're you know, we're we're we're waiting for the

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Speaker 3: dog to find their forever home. But while she while

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Speaker 3: we got her. You know, the kids love having that

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Speaker 3: energy around the house. Our old dog had passed away

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Speaker 3: last summer, and so it's been that long since we uh,

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Speaker 3: since we've been able to welcome a new puppers in

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Speaker 3: our life. We got this one right now. And her

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Speaker 3: name's Athena, like the goddess of war. Yeah. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: this this this sucker is I mean, she's she is

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Speaker 3: knocking the kids over and wrestling, playing fetch and doing

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Speaker 3: all the things. So we're having a lot of fun

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Speaker 3: with her. Yeah, we got to talk for now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, well good, well I bring that up because

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Speaker 4: you know those evil owners that will will like place

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Speaker 4: a treat at the end of the dog's nose and

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Speaker 4: just be like not yet, not yet, Fido, not yet,

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Speaker 4: and the dogs just looking cross eyed at this treat.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh my gosh, yeah.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm gonna do this morning. No, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we got a blockbuster trade in football, but we had

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Speaker 4: Jason Tatum returned to the Boston Celtics ten months removed

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Speaker 4: from achilles surgery ruptured his achilles. He's back after ten

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Speaker 4: months of rehab and he made his return with the

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Speaker 4: Celtics yesterday. They dusted the MAVs and he was Tatum

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Speaker 4: a little rusty right, missed his first six shots, then

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Speaker 4: seven assists. Overall, is successful return for Jason Tata. But

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Speaker 4: I just love the dynamic here of not so much

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Speaker 4: the risk factor with injury, but the risk factor with Hey,

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Speaker 4: the Celtics have the second best record in the East.

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Speaker 4: They've been playing great. Now all of a sudden, here's Tatum,

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Speaker 4: a little bit of a rough patch, it's like, well,

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Speaker 4: it's because Tatum's back, you know. I just love the

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Speaker 4: just got an All NBA guy, like, hey, they got

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tatum looks like a guy who's had a major

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Speaker 6: I was surprised. No minutes restriction, at least that's what

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Speaker 6: Right, we got about a month left in the season,

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Speaker 6: MGM's got Boston as the favorite. So certainly the market

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Speaker 6: So certainly shakes things up, especially when you see guys

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Speaker 6: what we expected, right, Brian, Like I just it feels

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was Listen, it was good for him to

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Speaker 4: that's really what it was. It was a soft launch

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Speaker 4: That's just not what Jason Tatum does. He's more of

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Speaker 4: He still got to find his rhythm and it's timing

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Speaker 4: yeah right, but wa hey we go we'll just speaking

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Speaker 3: And I do like.

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Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson's tweet was pretty good. This is before the

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Speaker 4: it was a jiff of Denzel from training day when

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Speaker 4: he was like, boom, he knew, yeah, oh, he definitely knew.

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Speaker 4: Max Crosby going to the Ravens for two first round picks.

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Speaker 3: Rich? Well, I do think that the Ravens are looking

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Speaker 3: they're doing this because they have to. Their defense has

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Speaker 6: Travis Jones, Mike Green, Draymont Jones, those are the guys

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Speaker 5: In this case it did. What'd you give up for him?

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Speaker 5: That's always right?

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Speaker 6: Everything is relative. We talk about this in gambling all

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Speaker 6: the time. It's all relative. I don't care how good

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Speaker 6: pretty good deal. Max Crosby played well this year, Ravens

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Speaker 5: I would say that's a pretty good deal.

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Speaker 6: I don't know yet, and I think the one thing

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Speaker 6: I think that's pretty settled. This is a good year

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Speaker 5: But I do think they can replace his production pretty quickly.

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Speaker 6: reassess this scenario and say, yeah, you know what, maybe

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Speaker 6: that was a good deal. Maybe that was a bad

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Speaker 5: On what that first round pick is for the Raiders.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fair. You know, it's a blend of the

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Speaker 4: Max Over here is Max Crosby gets traded to the

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Speaker 4: I'll give you two thoughts here. I could give you

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Speaker 4: there's more one. I'm happy for Max, you know, like

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Speaker 3: could be huge, this could be everything, or it could

433
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 3: be a situation where a guy walks through the door,

434
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 3: slips on a banana peel, gets injured immediately and doesn't

435
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 3: have a firm impact. You know, So through the lens

436
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 3: of and Jared, I'll let you sort of volley on

437
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 3: the side of the betting expertise here. I mean, for

438
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 3: through the lens of a better I have a hard

439
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 3: time looking at a singular whether it be a draft pick,

440
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 3: even if it feels like a monumental one, or a

441
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: trade in the offseason, and say that's the data point

442
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 3: that I'm going to now push all my chips in on.

443
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 3: What what do you evaluate when you're looking at placing

444
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 3: money on a future's bet?

445
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Speaker 6: Jared, I'm well, there's two things to unpack here. First

446
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 6: of all, those markets are unique. They're very illiquid. What

447
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 6: do I mean by that? You can't bet into them

448
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 6: too much? You know, there's very small limits on them

449
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 6: where usually you know, if you want to bet on

450
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,479
Speaker 6: the NFL money line on a Sunday, you walk up

451
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 6: to bet MGM, you walk up to mandol A, you

452
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 6: go to the count, you can drop thousands of dollars,

453
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 6: it won't move the need a at all. You bet

454
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 6: one hundred dollars into something like that, and all of

455
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 6: a sudden, it's going to move the market because it's

456
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 6: again a very ill liquid market. So the odds percentages right,

457
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 6: who's betting what? It is not as relevant as it

458
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 6: would be on an NFL Sunday. It's just it's not

459
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Speaker 6: something that I look into a whole lot. So that's

460
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Speaker 6: the first part of it where I'm not as interested

461
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 6: in who's betting what. I'm more interested in who's not

462
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 6: betting things. Because the second part of that is these

463
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 6: little insider news dumps we get, right, Oh, this team

464
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 6: wants to trade this player for this this team's interested here.

465
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 6: You have to look beyond that. This is lying season

466
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 6: in the NFL. Every piece of insider information you get

467
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 6: you should be highly skeptical about because you have to

468
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 6: consider the source. For example, if the Raiders are interested

469
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 6: in getting more back for Max Crosby, don't you think

470
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 6: that they're gonna get all these offers and they're gonna

471
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 6: be like, h we're getting.

472
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Speaker 5: This from the Eagles and the Bears.

473
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Speaker 6: Maybe the Raiders are the ones leaking that information about

474
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 6: the offers that they're getting because they want Baltimore to

475
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 6: up the offer. So I think you just have to

476
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 6: be very skeptical. We're gonna hear a lot about this

477
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 6: over the next month. Oh, this player is a perfect

478
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 6: fit for this team. Where's the information coming from. Perhaps

479
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 6: it's coming from a source that would actually prefer another

480
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 6: team to hear that so they can be more aggressive,

481
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 6: or they're trying to throw that team off the scent.

482
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 6: We saw this a few years ago. Remember the Will

483
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 6: Levis scenario. How about the Shador Sanders scenario from last year.

484
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 6: I remember he was gonna be a first round pick.

485
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 6: The Will Levis one is really interesting because and I

486
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 6: actually tweeted this yesterday and Peter Schreeger responded to it,

487
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 6: and no knock on Peter, fantastic reporter, but he kind

488
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 6: of got, you know.

489
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 5: The wool pulled over his eyes here. Oh, the Colts

490
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 5: are gonna take Will Levis with the fourth pack.

491
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Speaker 4: Hey guys, Hey, Will Levis canna be a fourth pack?

492
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that didn't happen. They were looking at Anthony Richardson

493
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 6: the whole time. They didn't want anybody else to know

494
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 6: they were looking at Richardson, even though Jim or say

495
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 6: may God rest his soul, came out and said it,

496
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 6: the reports were they were looking at Levis. So you

497
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 6: just have to be very skeptical when you hear this

498
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 6: stuff from the insiders, because they're getting fed this information

499
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 6: from official team sources, and why would an official team

500
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 6: source reveal what they're actually trying to do. They're trying

501
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 6: to manipulate the market. So I'm just skeptical about all

502
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 6: this stuff. And you know this team's playing, you know,

503
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 6: this team's looking at this player, this team's going to that.

504
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 6: Because it's just you have to consider what is the

505
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 6: upside to actually leaking the real information.

506
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a little bit of that, and it's

507
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 4: a little bit of the public just trying to connect

508
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 4: dots and be ahead of where the news ends up,

509
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And sometimes there's this race to, oh,

510
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 4: someone knows something, and it's like, no, they're just they're

511
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 4: just betting the Eagles, hoping that they're right, you know

512
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like it doesn't mean that they have

513
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 4: some sort of great insider information. It reminds me a

514
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 4: lot of you think about the NFL Awards, our NFL

515
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 4: Honors show right where they name all the award winners

516
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 4: and all that. The day of there was this mass

517
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 4: movement in the offensive.

518
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 5: Rookie of the Year market.

519
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, he roto Tteroah McMillan, the Panthers wide receiver. He was,

520
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 4: you know, for weeks, this huge favorite minus two thousand,

521
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 4: minus three thousand something, insane where he got up to

522
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, there was this massive movement,

523
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 4: this huge steam with Tyler Shock, the Saints quarterback, and

524
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 4: that the odds like it got closer and closer and

525
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 4: closer and closer to even money. It didn't quite get there,

526
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 4: but huge movement. And then it was like McMillan Teteroa

527
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 4: won in a landslide. So it's like it was just

528
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 4: all steam, based on nothing. It's based on nothing but movement,

529
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 4: and you're sitting there like, whoa holy cow, this guy

530
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 4: was plus whatever. I don't know what Tyler Shuck was

531
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 4: at the most. Let's just say it was plus nine hundred.

532
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 4: Now he's plus one sixty. Someone knows something, man, I'm

533
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 4: gonna bet Tyler Shuck and it's like, no, no one

534
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 4: knows anything, man, It's just blind steam, you know, it happens.

535
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 4: So it's something to keep in mind.

536
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're throwing a dart at a dartboard from across

537
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: a room that you've never been in with your eyes

538
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: closed and the lights off, like you really And by

539
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: the way, the dark board is on an ee robot

540
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 3: with a pedestal like it's so you're trying to hit

541
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: a moving target in the dark. It's not gonna happen.

542
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 3: It's it's not gonna happen. Here's here's my thought process again.

543
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: Not only can I not really see great what do

544
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 3: you want to call it certainty in placing a futures

545
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 3: bet on a singular data point if we're talking about

546
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: a trade that has already been executed. But this idea

547
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: of trusting the anonymous source who says that this team

548
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 3: may be interested in player X, and here's all the

549
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: compelling reasons why. And then you see all the super

550
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 3: salutes in the fan base on the interwebs, connecting all

551
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: the dots that aren't really there, you know, fuzzy connections.

552
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 3: His aunt lives in the Bay Area.

553
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, to San Francisco, you know, like college coaches, right,

554
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 4: likebody bought a wall at in Austin Texas. He's coming

555
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 4: to technical it.

556
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: Was rattlesnake leather. We know he's going to be you

557
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: know so, but look, the reality. The reality is if

558
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: you want to put smart money on something, you wait

559
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: until the picture gets clear. Now, is that the fun

560
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: way to do it? No, because maybe you know, you're

561
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: a casual better and you're in Vegas this weekend or

562
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: you know whatever, like you want I get it and

563
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 3: and hey, you know it's your money. You could do

564
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: what you want to do with it. But in terms

565
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: of you know, making a making sense of a bet

566
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: or making a good decision, I guess if you want

567
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: to call it that from a financial standpoint, if you

568
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: really want to try to win, but operating under the

569
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: assumption that this one data point is going to be

570
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: the key that turns the lock open anyways, is probably

571
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: a a fool's Errand yeah, you're.

572
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 6: Not gonna make much money in these markets again, you

573
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 6: just it's just because you just can't put down much

574
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 6: on it, Like I don't know what the exact limits were.

575
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 5: These markets are only available.

576
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 6: At certain shops at certain times. And then it actually

577
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 6: reminds me of the draft. So the NFL Draft, and

578
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 6: we've talked about this doing the show for a while now.

579
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 6: The NFL draft has used to be a fine, fantastic

580
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 6: money making opportunity because when COVID happened and we were

581
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 6: looking for things to bet on and the draft happened,

582
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 6: it that's when all the markets became like readily available.

583
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 6: It was right when passed, what was repealed the year after,

584
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 6: and you know, twenty twenty happened March, and then the

585
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 6: draft happens in April, and you know, you got Goodell

586
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 6: sitting in his basement. Everyone's looking for something to bet on,

587
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 6: and the books were just dropping all these kinds of markets.

588
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 6: And for the next year or so, the draft was

589
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 6: a fantastic betting opportunity.

590
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 5: And it reminds me Brian of.

591
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 6: The free agency situation, because you're not betting on is

592
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 6: the ball gonna bounce this way or the other, or

593
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 6: is this raft gonna call this stupid penalty that's gonna

594
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 6: cost you your bet. It's all information and if you

595
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 6: have good information, you're going to win unless Goodell trips

596
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 6: on his way up to the you know, you know,

597
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 6: to the counter to get to to get to the card,

598
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 6: like this team's taking this player. But now because we've

599
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 6: kind of pushed back a little bit with the limits

600
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 6: and what markets are being offered in the draft, it's

601
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 6: not as good of a money making opportunity. The limits

602
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 6: are significantly lower.

603
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: The books were.

604
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 6: Getting killed for like two years. The books got absolutely

605
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 6: murdered in the draft, and now they've responded, right, it's

606
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 6: like the point counterpoint, the pendulum has swung back to

607
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 6: where it's it's harder to bet the draft.

608
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 5: Now. That's how I feel about these free agent markets.

609
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 5: It's just you're betting it into a.

610
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 6: Very ill liquid market with not a lot of opportunity

611
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 6: because the limits are lower, and it's just it's not

612
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 6: something that I like to bet on. I would prefer

613
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 6: to be a little bit more traditional and get into

614
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 6: more you know, who's going to win, what's the over

615
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 6: under props, et cetera. But I understand why people like

616
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 6: to do it because it's fun. You do feel like

617
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 6: you're surelock comes like inspector Gadget with the you know,

618
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 6: trying to okay the microfying or the magnifying glass, like,

619
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 6: is this going.

620
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 5: To be the one strand of information that gets me

621
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 5: my win.

622
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 6: It's just it's not a big money making opportunity. You

623
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 6: don't see the professional gambers like Crack will never be

624
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 6: betting this stuff. It's not something that they like to

625
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 6: get involved in because of the limitations that are, you know,

626
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 6: not available to them.

627
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 4: It's almost I don't know if you guys will agree

628
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 4: with this, but to me, it's almost like in game betting,

629
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 4: meaning like if let's just say, let's take college basketball

630
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 4: for instance, or the NBA especially, sometimes the best time

631
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 4: to bet on a team is when things look the worst,

632
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, yeah, like right, you're like,

633
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 4: holy cow, they just got Kansas. The other night, They're

634
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 4: at Arizona State. Kansas could not score in the first

635
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 4: half to save their lives, right, they scored like twenty

636
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 4: points in the first half, and they're plus twelve and

637
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 4: a half in the game. They're twenty at halftime, and

638
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 4: it's like, now's the best time to bet Kansas. And

639
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 4: it's just like are you watching this game right now?

640
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 4: And it's like, yeah, that's how it works. But sometimes

641
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: with these markets where the odds flip flop and all

642
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 4: of a sudden the Bears are the favorite, that's the

643
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 4: best time to not bet the Bears, you know, but

644
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 4: the tricky part is you want to have some sort

645
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 4: of information, some sort of angle, like other than man,

646
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 4: I'm just kind of fading this theme. It's like, well,

647
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 4: who you gonna fade it with? You still got to

648
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Speaker 4: pick the team that the guy ends up with. So

649
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 4: I think a lot of it is like casino gambling.

650
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 4: You know my theory on casino gambling, You bet your

651
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 4: game of choice is the game that you initially have

652
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 4: success in, you know what I mean, Like, Yeah, I

653
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 4: love craps. I had success like the first time I

654
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 4: played craps, so I'm like, Craps is awesome. I didn't

655
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 4: have success playing Roulette the first time, so I'm like

656
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 4: Roulette sucks.

657
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: I don't like.

658
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 4: So it's kind of the same thing. If you're more

659
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 4: of like a sides or totals got you probably had

660
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Speaker 4: some success early on. If you tried one of these

661
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Speaker 4: I don't know, like free agency or trade markets and

662
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 4: you swung and miss, You're like, it's dumb, I'm not

663
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Speaker 4: doing that anymore, you know. So that happens a lot

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Speaker 4: in sports betting.

665
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a unique thing to get used to,

666
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: you know, And I think a lot of I don't

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Speaker 3: want to say, Uh, the way I'll frame it is

668
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 3: younger betters, you know, less experienced betters. People are new

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Speaker 3: to the apps, who are you know, obviously of legal age,

670
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Speaker 3: but they're they're using it for the first time. Are

671
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 3: are coming from the world of fantasy football, if we're

672
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 3: talking football, right, They're coming from the world of you know,

673
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Speaker 3: some of these apps that only allow you to pick

674
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Speaker 3: basically prop parlays in the betting parlance, you know, and

675
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 3: so when you're used to picking stats and you've had

676
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Speaker 3: a little taste of that, you know, I feel like

677
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: we're we're going to have a generation of betters who

678
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 3: are more interested in more exotic bets than sides and totals.

679
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 3: So I do think that these markets, they may expand

680
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 3: you know, they become, may become even more exotic than

681
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 3: they currently are, you know what I mean. And obviously

682
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 3: there's a lot of different there's a lot of variety

683
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 3: now when it comes to the type of of betting

684
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: you can do. And I don't think that's like the

685
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: genies have a bottle, so to speak. So I don't

686
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: think it's going to get any less. I think it'll

687
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 3: be more. I think it'll be even more experimental. So yeah,

688
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: the traditional you know, professional sports better, like like a

689
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 3: Bill Krackenberger, is going to stay away from markets like these.

690
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that they're not going to be insanely

691
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: popular markets in terms of volume. They may not have

692
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: the same handle, you know, in terms of per bet basis,

693
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: but they'll have a tremendous amount of volume because people

694
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: will become more and more interested in these types of bets.

695
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Speaker 5: Nailed it. The professionals prefer.

696
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 6: Two way markets. What do I mean by that? Over

697
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 6: under that's the markets they prefer to into. They don't

698
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 6: like the multiple way markets. The futures markets where there's

699
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Speaker 6: fifteen twenty different options. That's where the whole percentage increases.

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00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 6: What do I mean by hold percentage? For every dollar

701
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 6: that gets spent, the sportsbooks hold x percent. In a

702
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 6: futures market, the whole percentage is like ten to fifteen percent,

703
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 6: So forever dollars spent, the sports books will obtain ten

704
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 6: fifteen cents, whereas in an over under side total it's

705
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Speaker 6: like three to five percent. So that's the markets that

706
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 6: the professionals prefer to bet into because it's just a

707
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Speaker 6: more efficient wager, but it's not as fun.

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Speaker 5: Right, and that's where Brian, we get.

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Speaker 6: That's where we get a lot of these crazy bets

710
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Speaker 6: that you know the public likes to make, but they're

711
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Speaker 6: just not as efficient.

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Speaker 5: You're not gonna get as much bang for your buck.

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Speaker 4: No, no good breakdowns. All right, We've got Jared Smith

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Speaker 4: We just have one selection. We pull it together for

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Speaker 4: a greater payout. Jared, we start with you, what do

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Speaker 4: you like?

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Speaker 5: Well, the market is keen on me.

751
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 6: Here because I was gonna put Maszoo in there, and

752
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 6: literally during the commercial break the lines went from two

753
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 6: and a half to three and a half. But I

754
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 6: think I'm on the right track here. So Miszoo is

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Speaker 6: at home. Game starts in about two hours early. Game

756
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 6: today in Columbia, really early, actually Central time nine am starts.

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Speaker 6: I think it's eleven am in Missoo. But no Darius

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00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 6: Acuff today for Arkansas. That is a huge injury. Darius

759
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 6: Acup might be not one pick in the draft. I mean,

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Speaker 6: this dude is taking the college basketball world by storm.

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Speaker 6: He's not playing for Arkansas today, resting up for the

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Speaker 6: SEC tournament and beyond. And Massoo's got a ton of

763
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Speaker 6: size and they've.

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Speaker 5: Been really good at home this year.

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Speaker 6: They're one loss during SEC play at homeless the Texas,

766
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Speaker 6: who really punked them on the glass. Well, Arkansas is

767
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 6: not a great rebounding team. They got they were minus

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Speaker 6: twenty against Florida last Saturday. So I think Miszoo, with

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Speaker 6: their size, Mark Mitchell and the big men for Missoo,

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Speaker 6: I think they're gonna bully Arkansas today. So I'll go

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Speaker 6: with the movement. I don't care it move from two

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Speaker 6: and a half to three and a half. I think

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Speaker 6: Miszoo wins big at home today. Miszoo minus three and

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Speaker 6: a half against Arkansas, the first leg of the parlay platter.

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Speaker 3: All right, give me Vandy on the money line. They're

776
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: facing Tennessee. They have the better overall record. I think

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Speaker 3: they have the better late season punch. They just took

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Speaker 3: out Ole Miss behind a thirty four point game by

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Speaker 3: Tyler Danner Vanderbelt. They've already proved they can roll with

780
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Speaker 3: Tennessee in a tight matchup, only losing. But I believe

781
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: it was four points to sixty nine to sixty five

782
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: final two weeks ago. So this sets up well for

783
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: the Commodores to take a win here. I like Vanderbilt

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Speaker 3: today on the money line.

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Speaker 4: Okay, normally I don't like laying sixteen and a half,

786
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Speaker 4: but I'll make an exception here. It's not the North

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Speaker 4: Carolina at Duke game. I'm looking at the Jayhawks. I'm

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Speaker 4: looking at rock Chalk over it. They've been rough lately.

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Speaker 4: Remember when they beat Arizona at home. Arizona was the

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Speaker 4: number one ranked team. Since then, the Jayhawks have gone

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Speaker 4: one in five. They're one in five in their last

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Speaker 4: six games. I think they put it on Kansas State

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Speaker 4: something nasty today. It's like the movie The Crow. Remember

794
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Speaker 4: I like that movie, but cheesy part was like twenty

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Speaker 4: four hours of pain all at once. I think that's

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Speaker 4: happening with the Jayhawks today. I'm looking at sixteen and

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Speaker 4: a half. That's what that.

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Speaker 6: Plus eight twenty five Mazudas went back to two and

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Speaker 6: a half.

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Speaker 5: I love it plus twenty five on.

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Speaker 4: This coming up trades galore. Oh, welcome in Happy Saturday

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Speaker 4: to you. Hope all is well man. We've got more

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Speaker 4: trades to break down before we get to a hoops

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Speaker 4: So we broke down the Max Crosby trade. He goes

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Speaker 4: to the Ravens for two first round picks.

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Speaker 3: Keep that.

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Speaker 4: Keep that in mind, all right, as we focus on

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Speaker 4: a couple other trades. Trent McDuffie, the former Chiefs cornerback,

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Speaker 4: he gets dealt to the Rams. You also had former

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00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 4: Bears wide receiver Dj Moore, he got shipped to the

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Speaker 4: Buffalo Bills. So with all these trades in mind, Max

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Speaker 4: Crosby goes to the Ravens, Trent McDuffie goes to the Rams.

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Speaker 4: DJ Moore goes to the Bills. Which deal do you

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Speaker 4: like the most? I? Personally, I like Trent McDuffie going

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00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 4: to the Rams a lot. This is a Rams all

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00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 4: in move. This fits their whole. You know, they're back.

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Speaker 4: We're back, baby. Like f them picks, you know, they

825
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 4: they trade a first, a third, a fifth, and a sixth.

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Speaker 4: They traded four picks for Trent McDuffie. But that was

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Speaker 4: their weak spot, man, that was their achilles heel. It

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Speaker 4: was the secondary. Going into last season, we thought maybe

829
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Speaker 4: they would get Jalen Ramsey back and that didn't happen

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00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 4: and they just didn't have a good secondary throughout the season.

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Speaker 4: They got diced up in the playoff game by Sam Darnold.

832
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 4: Sam Donald went crazy against the Rams and they're like, okay,

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00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 4: we got to address this secondary man, And they made

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Speaker 4: this aggressive move for Trent McDuffie, who's a baller. He's

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Speaker 4: a really really good player. So is a heavy price tag,

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Speaker 4: But I do like that trade a lot for the Rams.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this wasn't just a hey, we're gonna add a

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Speaker 3: star corner. It was we're gonna buy the exact kind

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Speaker 3: of corner. This defensive system requires Chris Schula's defense lived

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00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: in dime coverage. They bested the rest of the league

841
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: by nearly nine percent. That's an enormous amount of dime coverage. Now,

842
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: obviously that means added defensive backs on the field, and

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00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 3: McDuffie's value is the fact that he can play outside.

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Speaker 3: He can play inside, he will not get exposed in

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00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: lighter boxes. He can blitz. I mean he's got twenty

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Speaker 3: two pressures in five and a half sacks like McDuffie

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00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 3: is a problem when he's close to line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 3: And then obviously his his coverage is exceptional and he'll

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00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: thrive in this system. The Rams are are looking to

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00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: add now because the Stafford window is still open. So

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Speaker 3: this is, hey, you know, very similar to how it's

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00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: been with McVeigh and this executive group. That's he's coached

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00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: alongside of we're gonna push all of our chips in,

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00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 3: you know, FM picks. We've heard it before. We're going

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00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 3: to go after players, not picks, because when you have

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00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 3: talent that you believe you can win with, you want

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Speaker 3: to shore things up. And McDuffie does that for the Rams.

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Speaker 3: So I in terms of the three you mentioned, Brian,

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Speaker 3: I do think the McDuffie trade recently is the most impactful.

860
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, Buffalo definitely needed a star receiver. I think there's

861
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 6: some risk with DJ Moore injury, the cap hit, all

862
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 6: those things.

863
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 5: But if you.

864
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 6: Drop DJ Moore into Buffalo and all of a sudden

865
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 6: he gives you that explosiveness, I think it makes the

866
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 6: Bills a better team, but there's definitely some risk there.

867
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 6: I do like on the other side, like I agree

868
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 6: that the Rams needed Trent McDuffie. On the other side,

869
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 6: I think Kansas City feels very comfortable with Steve Spagnolo

870
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 6: nurturing any young corner they have and getting him up

871
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 6: to that level, because that's how the Chiefs kind of

872
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 6: won that suit. I mean, I know Mahomes and the

873
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 6: offense certainly one of the reasons why, but another reason

874
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 6: why is they were very young defensively, and they trusted

875
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 6: their defensive coaches to bring that young core, especially that

876
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 6: very young secondary, up to speed very quickly. And they

877
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 6: were very good in that department. Chiefs defense was very

878
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 6: very solid during that nice run. So I think the

879
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 6: Kansas City brain trust trusts the defensive staff whoever they

880
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 6: bring in to get those guys up to speed quickly.

881
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 6: Because again McDuffie, he's been around for a few years now,

882
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 6: going into that contract year, and I think it's kind

883
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 6: of a reload, right, We're seeing Kansas City kind of

884
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 6: churn and burn their defensive team a little bit.

885
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 5: They have two first round picks.

886
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 6: Now, that is a very dangerous weapon to give Patrick Mahomes.

887
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 6: Now he has two first round picks with a very

888
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 6: capable front office, you assume offense with the first pick.

889
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 6: I'm hearing Jeremiah Love. I don't know if he's gonna

890
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 6: be there at nine.

891
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 5: We'll see.

892
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 6: But now they get that second first round pick at

893
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 6: the end of the first round, that Rams pick, and

894
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 6: we'll see how they handle that. Maybe they package those

895
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 6: two move up get one of the star players.

896
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 5: In this draft.

897
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 6: It makes Kansas City also very dangerous so I, you know,

898
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 6: unlike the Max Crosby situation, where I think it's you know,

899
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 6: the Raiders are obviously in rebuilding mode.

900
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 5: That's not the case for the Kansas City Chiefs.

901
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 6: You give Kansas City to first round picks, and all

902
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 6: of a sudden, you get we'll see again, they maybe

903
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 6: take two players, maybe they package, you get one really

904
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 6: good one, and all of a sudden, it makes the

905
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 6: Chiefs that much more dangerous next year.

906
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 5: So I think that the Rams Chiefs trade very intriguing.

907
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 6: When two contenders trade with each other, Brian, it is

908
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 6: very interesting to dissect.

909
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting where we were mentioning this a little

910
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 4: while ago, where a couple of teams that made trades

911
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 4: there and go for it mode? But what mode are

912
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 4: their trade partners in?

913
00:46:59,480 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: You know?

914
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 4: So if you take that the Rams are clearly in

915
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 4: go for it mode? What mode are the Chiefs in?

916
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 4: I still think they're in go for it mode. They're

917
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 4: not rebuilding. You don't rebuild mahomes and Andy, No, No,

918
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 4: they're retooling. But I still think they're in go for

919
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 4: it mode because look, they didn't they traded Tyreek Hill

920
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 4: for a lot and they didn't miss a beat. You know,

921
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 4: they didn't pay lugerious sneed and they didn't miss a beat.

922
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 4: Trent McDuffie is a really, really good player, and they're

923
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 4: gonna miss him. But if there's a team that can,

924
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 4: you know, keep it going, it's the Chiefs. I just

925
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 4: don't buy that this is going to be a sustained

926
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 4: pattern for them. That was just I think it's a

927
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 4: one off that was a perfect storm of everything that

928
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 4: could go wrong did go wrong for them last season.

929
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 4: But I just don't think that they're consistently going to

930
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,959
Speaker 4: be like a six and eleven team that just they're

931
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 4: too good to be that for the long haul. I

932
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 4: think they're going to be right back in the mix

933
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 4: this season.

934
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, Kansas City, they probably extracted more value than

935
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 3: most teams get in the spot they were currently in,

936
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 3: And a little bit had to do with how badly

937
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 3: the Rams needed to shore things up, because I think

938
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: you pointed it out perfectly. When you have a player

939
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 3: like Sam Darnold in division and that stands in your

940
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 3: way from potentially winning the division, especially with a defense

941
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 3: that Seattle has as well, you have to have an answer.

942
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 3: And so it was just good timing and great value

943
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: for Kansas City, and then when you look at what

944
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: this really was for them, it was roster economics. You know,

945
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: cap pressure. You're staring down a fifth year, thirteen or

946
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 3: fourteen million dollars guarantee and then you're probably gonna have

947
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 3: to break this guy off for one hundred mil plus.

948
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 3: They can't do that. They basically sold a premium player

949
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: for a lot of cheap swings, and they need to

950
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: get more, I guess to put it simply, they need

951
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 3: to be cheaper at that position. They just do. And

952
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 3: so there's a lot of talent in college, a lot

953
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: more talent at the corner position in college than there's

954
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 3: ever been. These players are better coach than have been

955
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: for a long time because of seven on seven football,

956
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 3: flag football that is starting to migrate into the college ranks.

957
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 3: All these kids who grew up, you know, playing basically

958
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 3: basketball on the defensive backfield their whole youth growing up.

959
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 3: There are some kids who have never played any other

960
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: position than cornerback from Pop Warner, from flag through Pop

961
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 3: Warner to middle school, high school ball through college. And

962
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 3: these are going to be some of the players you're

963
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 3: can to be able to get your hands on in

964
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 3: the draft. So look, you can justify what the Chiefs

965
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 3: did by saying this is not a rebuild, This was

966
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 3: just simple cap management. And Veach isn't going to be

967
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: a skeward for this, not unless their defense is absolutely

968
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 3: dreadful next year, which I don't think they will be,

969
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 3: because they've done a nice job in terms of replacement

970
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 3: value going to the draft or potentially throwing some band

971
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: dates on things through free agency.

972
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 6: Well, they love Jalen Watson, you know, and you know

973
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 6: he was I think a third I think he was

974
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 6: a later round pick.

975
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 5: I think he was a no, he was a seventh

976
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 5: round pick.

977
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 3: Wow.

978
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 6: And they also love the rookie last year Noel Williams,

979
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 6: really big talented corner.

980
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, another Lakers gun pick.

981
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 6: So yeah, they have they have a lot of good

982
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 6: And again, if you're asking me, do you trust Steve

983
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 6: Spagnolo to figure.

984
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 5: It out, Yes, the answer to that question is yes.

985
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 6: So I think Kansas City probably felt like they had

986
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 6: enough corners left in their piggy bank to where they

987
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 6: could trade one of them, get some really good capital

988
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 6: in return, and not miss a beat in the secondary.

989
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 6: So they've got some really good players that they like

990
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 6: in the secondary, and I think they're gonna be just

991
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 6: fine there next year. This is the rare situation, Brian

992
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 6: where I actually give positive grades to both teams for

993
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 6: this trade. I really do think it's a win win

994
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 6: for both teams because you trust Kansas City's brain trust

995
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 6: enough to get enough back whenever they whatever they decide

996
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 6: to do, if they decided to stick and pick with

997
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 6: nine and twenty nine, if they decide to package those

998
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 6: picks together and move up and make you know, a splash,

999
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 6: I trust Veach and his people enough. And then on

1000
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 6: the other side, for the Rams, they are trying to

1001
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 6: squeeze the life out of every last drop that Matthew

1002
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 6: Stafford has, which means load up now. This could be

1003
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 6: Stafford's last year. Who knows, load up now and get

1004
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 6: the most because they were close last year.

1005
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 5: I mean, let's be honest, The NFC Championship game was

1006
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl last year.

1007
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 6: So they were very very close to getting over the

1008
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 6: hump last year and they probably feel they were one

1009
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 6: or two players away.

1010
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 5: Well now they got one of them. So this is

1011
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 5: that rare scenario.

1012
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 6: Unlike the Ravens deal for Max Crossby, unlike this Bills

1013
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 6: Bears deal for DJ Moore where you just don't know

1014
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 6: what Dj Moore is gonna give you. This is one

1015
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 6: of those scenarios where I feel like both teams got

1016
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 6: the max amount of value out of this deal.

1017
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 4: You know, It's one thing to consider and I don't

1018
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 4: do this often. I should do it a lot more.

1019
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 4: But it just got me thinking with us talking about

1020
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 4: these trades, if you kind of gauge the trades and

1021
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 4: who won and you know, all that stuff, if you

1022
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 4: think of it through the perspective of the divisional rivals,

1023
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 4: you know, like, what did they think about the trades?

1024
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 4: What do you think the Seahawks and the forty nine

1025
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 4: Ers think about the Rams getting Trent McDuffie.

1026
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 5: You know, they're they probably don't love it, right.

1027
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 4: They're gonna be competitive and they're gonna be like, game on,

1028
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,479
Speaker 4: let's go. But if they're being completely honest, they're like, ooh,

1029
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 4: that's a that's a big upgrade right there, you know,

1030
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 4: Trek McDuffie. What do you think the Bengals, What do

1031
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 4: you think Joe Burrow's thinking about with the Ravens getting

1032
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 4: Max Cross?

1033
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 5: Not happy early.

1034
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 4: The Steelers if Rogers is back or they've had some

1035
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 4: O line issues and Max Crosby's in the Division two

1036
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 4: games a year, right, that's kind of like, oh gosh,

1037
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 4: here we go. What do you think the Patriots think

1038
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 4: about the Bills getting Dj Moore? I like Dj Moore.

1039
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 4: I don't think the Patriots are like, oh no, They're

1040
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 4: probably like, oh, all right, cool, like all right, Like

1041
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 4: DJ Moore is a good player, but he's not making you,

1042
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 4: you know, like shaking your boots at all.

1043
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 3: I mean, the the the Bills can get digs back too.

1044
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1045
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 3: Wow, No, look the reality is I agree. I think

1046
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: in the vision, if I'm the Seahawks, Cardinals, Niners, I'm

1047
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 3: looking at what the Rams just did and went, oh

1048
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 3: they're Wow, that's a that's a for real trade. In

1049
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 3: the vision, if I'm the Browns, the Bengals, the Steelers,

1050
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: I'm looking at what the Ravens did with Crosby, I'm going, oh, wow,

1051
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 3: that's a that's a big boy trade. We've got our

1052
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 3: hands full. We're gonna have to circle number ninety eight

1053
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: or whatever number Crosby wears for the Ravens. And you've

1054
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 3: got you've got a problem. You've got a problem you

1055
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 3: need to solve every time you face them, and you

1056
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: have to face them twice a year. But I agree

1057
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 3: with you. I think that More is a very talented,

1058
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: probably under heralded receiver. Considering the impact he's had on

1059
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 3: multiple teams, multiple quarterbacks. He kind of reminds me almost

1060
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 3: as keenan Allen like, highly productive, often forgotten receiver who's

1061
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: very like will make you better, no doubt will will sometimes,

1062
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 3: you know, get you in a situation where you gotta

1063
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: find somebody to play seven games for you. You know

1064
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 3: what I mean, because you know he'll get banged up

1065
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 3: here and there. But a really really solid, rock solid guy.

1066
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 3: But are the Patriots, Dolphins, Jets shaking in their boots

1067
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 3: because More came to Buffalo? No, I don't think so.

1068
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: I think I think they're looking at it and saying, Okay,

1069
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 3: the Bills got better, so we we have to too.

1070
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 3: But it wasn't. It's the earth hasn't rattled underneath anybody's

1071
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 3: feet at their desks in any of those franchises offices.

1072
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 6: The upside here is Joe Brady's very familiar with Dj Moore.

1073
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 6: He was the I think the offensive coordinator in Carolina

1074
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 6: during that time when Dj Moore was in Carolina.

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Speaker 5: He definitely coached him. I don't know if he was

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Speaker 5: the OC or not.

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Speaker 6: So there's a connection there. They know the offense, and

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00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 6: that's I don't want to say seamless transition anytime Joe

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00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 6: Brady goes from OC to head coach.

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00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 5: But same system, similar skill sets.

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Speaker 6: Right. It's a lot of short, quick passing, a lot

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00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 6: of YAK. You utilize Josh Allen's legs too, So I

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00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 6: think it's it has the potential to be not explosive,

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00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 6: but definitely productive. To Brian's original point, I liken it

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00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 6: to a team going forward on fourth down. Let's say

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00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 6: you're betting on the opposite side and a team decides

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00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 6: to punt on fort down. How you react to that

1088
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 6: is whether or not they made the right decision.

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00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 5: If a team.

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00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 6: Decides to go forward on fourth down, you're like, man,

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00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 6: I really wish they would have punted here, then you

1092
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 6: know it's the right decision to go for it on

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00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 6: fourth down. So I like the way that Brian framed it,

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00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 6: to flip it to the opposite angle of the rivals

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00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 6: and to see how they would react. Put yourself in

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00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 6: the scenario of the Seahawks.

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00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 5: You know, offense.

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00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 6: If they don't, like if they're shaking in their boots

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00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 6: today or if they're a little bit upset, then it's

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00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 6: probably a good deal for the ram.

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00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 5: Same thing with the you know, the Bills opponents.

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00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 6: Like, I think the Patriots secondary feels pretty solid, but

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00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 6: Jets and Dolphins probably don't love the fact that they

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00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 6: now have to see a DJ Moore twice a year.

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00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 6: So I think there's upside to Buffalo's situation. Chicago's Like,

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00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 6: we haven't talked about the Chicago side.

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Speaker 3: To this deal.

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00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 6: Like I think, you know, the Bears they were close

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00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 6: last year too, guys, and I like Ben Johnson a lot.

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00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 6: I think if there's one guy, you know, we trust

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00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 6: Kansas City's brain trust, I really trust Ben Johnson in

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00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 6: his situation.

1113
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 5: So I think if.

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00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 6: Anyone could do a lot with less, you know, it's

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00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 6: certainly the Bears. They did a lot with less last year,

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00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 6: and they made a very deep run despite the fact

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00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 6: that nobody gave them a fighters chance to even win

1118
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 6: the division. And I think that's the more intriguing part

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00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 6: to this. You know, we haven't talked about the Bear

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Speaker 6: side of it. You know, what do they do with

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00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 6: that pick? What do they do with the added capital

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00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 6: that they're going to gain from this Dj Moore trade?

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Speaker 6: And do they make their situation better? And is Chicago?

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Speaker 6: How are the Packers and the Vikings feeling today about

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Speaker 6: Ben Johnson getting a little more ammunition in his corner.

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Speaker 6: So I think that's another intriguing part of this trade.

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Speaker 6: And I do think Chicago is going to be a

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Speaker 6: very solid team next year and Caleb Williams, maybe they'll

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Speaker 6: get another receiver in the draft.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I fil listen if you're talking about another win win.

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00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 4: I think the DJ Moore deal was a win win

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00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 4: for both the Bills and the Bears. The Bills had

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00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 4: to get better at wide receiver, and DJ Moore is good.

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00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 4: I really like your comparison Rich to Keenan Allen, because

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00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 4: that's what DJ Moore is like. He's not dynamic, he's solid,

1136
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 4: he's productive. He's not a diva at all, not at all.

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00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 4: But he's not like special. He's not like WHOA, you

1138
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 4: got a top five, top guy. He's just he's steady.

1139
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 4: He's just like Keenan Allen.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 4: I really like that comparison. So it makes sense for

1142
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 4: the Bills to upgrade and the Bears. Listen, we talked

1143
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 4: about this guy when he was in college a lot.

1144
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 4: Luther Burden, I think is gonna have a breakout year

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00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 4: for the Bears.

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Speaker 9: Man.

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00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 4: He's a good young wide receiver, obviously, and he's like

1148
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 4: a running back after the catch, Jared, you were just

1149
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 4: talking about yak yards after the catch. That freaking guy. Man,

1150
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 4: when they just give it to him on a screen

1151
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 4: and say do what you do, Burden, it's like good

1152
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 4: luck tackling that freaking guy. He is quick, he's fast,

1153
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 4: and he is hard to corral. So I think that

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00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 4: Luther Burden's gonna take a big step forward. And now

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00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 4: that DJ Moore isn't there, it's you know, it's not

1156
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 4: like DJ Moore is ancient, but it's out with the old,

1157
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 4: in with the new. It's the young guys. It's Roma Dunza,

1158
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 4: it's Luther Burden, it's Colston Loveland, it's the yung movement

1159
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 4: over there in Chicago. And you're right, Jared, they might

1160
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 4: pick up another wide receiver. I wouldn't be surprised at all.

1161
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 4: But what they have, I still feel that they're gonna

1162
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 4: be really dynamic in the passing game, just like they

1163
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 4: were this past season.

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Speaker 5: It's uh, we really love Luther Burton on this show.

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Speaker 3: We do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, we really do.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be. It's gonna be, I think, a fun

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Speaker 3: season coming up because we're gonna have quarterback movement. We're

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00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 3: going I mean, we've already seen some massive trades. Teams

1170
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 3: are going to be taking some big swings because even

1171
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 3: though there's an injection of youth in the NFL at

1172
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 3: the quarterback position, we got some old dogs kicking around

1173
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 3: on teams who are in flux. The Rams need to

1174
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 3: get it right before Stafford's time is done. You know,

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00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 3: we have a huge question mark in Pittsburgh. There's there's

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00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 3: a couple of teams who you know, they're they're maybe

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Speaker 3: at the end of their rope in terms of, you know,

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00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 3: a quarterback's interested interest in staying or or maybe moving on.

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00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 3: I think I think Joe Burrow at some point could

1180
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 3: be a question mark for the Bengals, and so what

1181
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 3: happens this season is going to be very important for Cincinnati.

1182
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 3: Tam press upon him that they're they're feathering the bed

1183
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,959
Speaker 3: for a bright future for Joe Burrow. Otherwise, who knows

1184
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 3: what happens, you know, I this is gonna be again. Look,

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Speaker 3: I mean I'm looking at it's it's March seventh.

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Speaker 4: You know I'm ready for now many Yeah, the league

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01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 4: year hasn't even started yet.

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Speaker 6: It's not evenial till next we again make it the

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Speaker 6: Crowgby trades not even official till next.

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Speaker 3: This is insane.

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Speaker 4: We're sick, os, I mean we are sick. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: This, follow the money real good one.

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Speaker 4: Our main man, Seamus McGee joins us here, team lead

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Speaker 4: Hope all is well. So I see the game of

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Speaker 4: the day, number seventeen North Carolina seventeen and a half

1223
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 4: point underdogs at number one, Duke. We know Duke's credentials,

1224
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Speaker 4: suffocating defense, all that good stuff Cameron Boozer, what do

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Speaker 9: Hey guys, thanks for having me back. It's just a

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01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 9: crazy line. You know, Caleb Wilson's out for the year

1229
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 9: and UNC's really gonna miss him, especially going into the tournament.

1230
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 9: But Duke over the last week, I mean, this team

1231
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 9: just looks like a juger not firing on all cylinders.

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01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 9: It's really hard to fade them at this point. I

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01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 9: think we're gonna we're gonna by tip off. I think

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Speaker 9: we're gonna end up needing UNC to cover that seventeen

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Speaker 9: and a half. I just think the public is all

1236
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 9: over Duke right now. It's harder to find a hotter

1237
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 9: team in the country.

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Speaker 6: Right now when you get scenarios like this, Seamus, is

1239
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 6: it hard this late in the year when a player

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01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 6: like Caleb Wilson is out for you to adjust the

1241
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 6: number on UNC like because obviously the newsworthiness of that

1242
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 6: will obviously push a lot of people towards too. But

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01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 6: sometimes it's like too much team on one side, and

1244
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 6: then maybe we overcook the grits when it comes to

1245
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 6: downgrading UNC is it hard when you've had a whole

1246
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 6: season of data on a team like the Victorios. We're

1247
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 6: going to make the tournament even without Kayleb Wilson, and

1248
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 6: then all of a sudden you have tojust your number because.

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01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 5: Of a star player injury. Is that like the hardest

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01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 5: scenario for the books to kind of figure out what

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01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 5: the right number is.

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Speaker 9: If U and C's odds were better with Caleb Wilson,

1253
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 9: it'd be a little tougher. I know, we moved this

1254
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 9: number about one hundred and fifty to one after the news. Wow,

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Speaker 9: it's just if they were sitting around, like, you know,

1256
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 9: twenty to one last week before this is then we'd

1257
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 9: get into a situation like, all right, now what do

1258
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 9: we do? But I think before they were sitting around

1259
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 9: like that sixty to one range. So he's one of

1260
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Speaker 9: the best players in the country right now. He's going

1261
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 9: to be a top ten pick in the draft. It's

1262
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 9: just you lose a guy like that. He's like the

1263
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 9: whole offense almost, so it's going to be really tough

1264
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 9: for him making a run in the tournament.

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Speaker 3: Seamus. When you look at fantasy football leagues, people do

1266
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 3: mock drafts leading up to you know, the big day

1267
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 3: where they finally set their roster. You know, with bracketology,

1268
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 3: there's really no warm up because you don't know where

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01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 3: things are going to be seated. You really have no

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Speaker 3: clue until the conference tournaments are over. My question falls

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Speaker 3: on that side of this. You know, when you are

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Speaker 3: going to either put a future's bet in on a

1273
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 3: high value, high upside team, how much I guess stock

1274
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 3: do you put in the momentum you can gain from

1275
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 3: a hot run through a conference tournament earning you a

1276
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 3: birth into a bracket versus a team who's you know,

1277
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 3: I got bitted in because of the work they've done

1278
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 3: throughout the course of the regular season.

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Speaker 9: It's a case by case basis. I think like it

1280
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 9: really depends on the team. Like go back a bunch

1281
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 9: of years ago, Oregon State wasn't gonna sniff the tournament.

1282
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 9: They win the PAC twelfth tournament and they were a

1283
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 9: game weight Roe to the final four. Yep, So there's

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Speaker 9: definitely kate. And then on the flip side, you had

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01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 9: Georgetown that same year, nowhere sniff in the tournament. They

1286
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 9: win the Big East and they got pumped in the

1287
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 9: first round. So it really does depend on the team.

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01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:37,919
Speaker 9: I think it depends a lot on the conference they're

1289
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 9: coming from as well. So I think just be very

1290
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 9: careful when playing with Uncle Moe.

1291
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 3: He's the guy who shows up. He brings his own

1292
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 3: beard of the family union, you know what I mean.

1293
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 3: He's not depending on the cooler. He's making sure he

1294
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 3: brings his own.

1295
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 4: You know, as we look toward the tournament, Seamus, if

1296
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 4: if you're picking one team yourself to back to win

1297
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 4: it all, who is it? And if you could eliminate

1298
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 4: one team from winning it all, that might benefit bet

1299
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 4: MGM the most. Where are you going with both of

1300
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 4: those things?

1301
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 9: One team that will benefit me professionally and personally would

1302
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 9: be Duke. I would really love to see Duke not

1303
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 9: win the championship this year. I also think I'm really

1304
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 9: like these three teams on the two line. I really

1305
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 9: like Florida's, Houston Illinois. I really like those teams. I

1306
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 9: think they can really make a run.

1307
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like Florida a lot.

1308
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 6: I think Florida is the most slept on team in

1309
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 6: this tournament right now, and I know they're not. You know,

1310
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 6: there's like seven or eight to one somewhere in that range.

1311
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 6: I don't like to bring slept on, but they are

1312
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 6: the defending champs. Like, has there been a defending champion

1313
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 6: with an elite roster talked about less than the Florida

1314
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 6: Gators right now?

1315
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 5: I don't remember if there was.

1316
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 6: It's interesting because I think we get into the world.

1317
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 6: Let's let's switch gears a little bit to the NFL

1318
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 6: because the league years about to start. We're getting a

1319
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 6: ton of these trades, right we had the Max Crosby

1320
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 6: trade yesterday. How much is the actual futures market impacted

1321
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 6: by these trades?

1322
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 5: Is it still way too early to make any.

1323
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 6: Significant moves because there's numbers out, there's win totals out.

1324
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 5: But I do think it impacts it a little bit.

1325
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 6: But how hard is it to move numbers based off

1326
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 6: of trades that are happening now? Considering we still have

1327
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 6: the draft, we still have all four agency to go it.

1328
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 6: There's still so much more pieces of the puzzle left

1329
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 6: to put into plays. But we're starting to get some

1330
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 6: of the corners kind of situated now with some of

1331
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 6: these big moves early on in the process.

1332
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's the thing. This far out from the actual season,

1333
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 9: starting before we even kick a football, you got a

1334
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:47,439
Speaker 9: lot of win of a room.

1335
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: Like you can move a.

1336
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 9: Number and then the market will tell you pretty soon

1337
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 9: you know whether that number is right or not. So,

1338
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 9: you know, the Ravens getting max Radery. We moved from

1339
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 9: twelve to one to ten to one for the Suer Bowl.

1340
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 9: Noticeable for some at least, but some of you just

1341
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 9: kind of tell like this is a big deal for

1342
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 9: the Ravens, like they really needed another edge rusher. It's

1343
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 9: a big move for them. It will help out their defense.

1344
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 9: So they definitely get a bump there.

1345
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 3: In terms of in terms of all these trades McDuffie, Crosby,

1346
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 3: you know, even the release of Stefan Diggs. You know

1347
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 3: what if you don't have to rank them, but in

1348
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,799
Speaker 3: terms of like the most impactful or more to Buffalo,

1349
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 3: in terms of the most impactful, what would you say

1350
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 3: is the team that received the most value for the trade.

1351
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 3: And you could you could comment on either side of it,

1352
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 3: you know, I mean McDuffie goes he leaves Kansas City

1353
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 3: for the Rams. Everybody's concentrating on with the Rams, get well,

1354
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,560
Speaker 3: what about what the Kansas City Chiefs were able to

1355
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 3: do in terms of cap flexibility? You know, same for

1356
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 3: the Bears and the Buffalo Bills seem for the Raiders

1357
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 3: and the Ravens, and really even the Patriots for the

1358
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 3: headache that they may have removed from their user.

1359
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 9: It's a really tough question because the Pats cutting digs

1360
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 9: kind of surprise. I know he's got the off the

1361
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 9: field stuff which has to get sorted, but it made

1362
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 9: me kind of think like maybe the Pats are going

1363
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:19,799
Speaker 9: to be in the mix for maybe a big name receiver.

1364
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 9: I think I saw rumblings that they were. They were

1365
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 9: bringing Howie Rodesman for a J. Brown, So that's interesting.

1366
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,799
Speaker 9: I really like that. The Chiefs trade is very interesting

1367
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 9: because you know, Duffy's a great corner, but they do

1368
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 9: have to pay him. I love the trade for the Bears.

1369
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 9: I think they got a lot of whiteouts. I think

1370
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 9: they're gonna be a ok luthor Burden. He's gonna step up,

1371
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 9: in my opinion, and they got plenty of money off

1372
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 9: the books now, So I really like that more for

1373
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 9: the Bears.

1374
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 4: All Right, the moment of truth? How we get rich today? Seamus?

1375
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 4: What is the special?

1376
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 9: I'm going back to the Florida Gators. We talked about

1377
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 9: him a couple of times here. I really you like

1378
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 9: them on the road to Kentucky. I like that number

1379
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 9: five and a half a lot.

1380
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 4: Okay, there it is, let's get after it. Go Gators,

1381
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 4: all right, Seamous good stuff as always, Bud Helpe, you

1382
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 4: have a great day. We'll catch it soon.

1383
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 9: Appreciate that a good one, guys.

1384
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 3: You do. There.

1385
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 4: He is Seamus McGee, team lead of sports trading at

1386
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 4: bet MGM. Good stuff. You guys have a thought on

1387
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 4: that Florida game. Well, James just mentioned it might as

1388
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 4: well dive into that one, and Jared, I know you

1389
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 4: love the Gators too, like they're a good team. This

1390
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 4: line right, Like, it's just hold right, it's just staying

1391
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 4: there with Kentucky, who has been pretty rough throughout this season.

1392
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 4: But you know, there's some faith in their offense, at

1393
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 4: least man their offense against Florida's defense, it will be

1394
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 4: fun to watch. But yeah, I don't know, there's gonna

1395
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 4: be a lot of emotion in that building. And you know,

1396
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 4: they might have a college basketball anything can happen, but

1397
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 4: against Florida's defense and the way Florida has been playing

1398
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 4: as of late, they had as a nasty basketball team.

1399
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Florida's biggest edge is they're not just better, they

1400
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 3: control the most repeatable parts of the game of basketball.

1401
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 3: In terms of this matchup, in most matchups they're gonna

1402
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 3: run into I'm gonna just rattle off some things that

1403
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 3: I discovered when I was looking at this matchup. Their

1404
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 3: plus fourteen point eight rebound margin. Let's see, they lead

1405
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 3: the SEC in both offensive and defensive efficiency. On top

1406
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 3: of that, they lead the SEC in two point offense

1407
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 3: and two point defense. I mean, this is just a

1408
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 3: team that does everything right, that's really good at all

1409
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 3: of the like the fundamentals. Like when we talk about

1410
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 3: winning in the paint both sides of the half court line,

1411
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,719
Speaker 3: Florida does that. When you're talking about crashing the boards,

1412
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 3: one of the most important stats in basketball is making

1413
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 3: sure to win the rebound march, and they do that

1414
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 3: by leaps and bounds. They are clean team. They're the

1415
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 3: type of team that you can ride all the way

1416
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 3: through march. They just are. They're They're very complete. I

1417
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 3: love Florida on you know, in terms of a side

1418
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 3: in this game. And look Kentucky's path, I mean there

1419
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 3: is a real path, you know. I don't want to

1420
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 3: look past a blue bud and just be like, well,

1421
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,839
Speaker 3: it's just a walk in the park for the Gators.

1422
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 3: They need half court shot making, so they need to

1423
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 3: pass the ball well, and that's difficult against a very

1424
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:38,560
Speaker 3: efficient defensive team like Florida. But if they can sustain,

1425
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 3: if they can keep this game close, if they can

1426
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 3: hit their short their shots when they're in the half

1427
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 3: court and they're setting up their offense, they got They

1428
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:48,759
Speaker 3: have to find the open shot and the best shots.

1429
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 3: Not easy against Florida, but they have to and that

1430
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 3: is a real path. It truly is. They're talented, they

1431
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 3: have shot makers. So that's what Kentucky needs to do

1432
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 3: today if they're gonna survive this one.

1433
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, Market definitely is a little bit confounded on this one.

1434
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 6: They get one of the sharper shops here in town.

1435
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 5: Six six and a half, six six and a half.

1436
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 6: It's five and a half minus the juice at that MGM,

1437
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 6: So I think I would lean Florida at five and

1438
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 6: a half.

1439
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 5: I think there's two different conversations to have, Brian.

1440
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 6: It's how do we feel about Florida in the tournament

1441
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 6: and how do we feel about Florida in a relatively

1442
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 6: meaningless final regular season game today, right, this is a

1443
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 6: senior day for Kentucky. Always been their star for a

1444
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 6: number of years, and obviously he's going to be you know,

1445
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 6: honored today along with I think a couple other seniors

1446
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 6: that Kentucky has. This is a very good Kentucky team.

1447
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 6: There's another team that I think the SEC listen, guys,

1448
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 6: I mean you could throw you could, you know, close

1449
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 6: your eyes and throw a dartboard on the SEC. And

1450
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 6: there's four or five teams I think that are going

1451
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 6: to be in the Sweet sixteen or at least competing

1452
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 6: for the Final four for sure, and Kentucky, I would say,

1453
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 6: is one of them. Mark Pop's done a really good

1454
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 6: job with this team, and you know they were in

1455
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 6: the Sweet sixteen last year. So I do think Kentucky's

1456
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 6: live today. I'm not gonna, you know, overcook the grits

1457
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 6: with Florida because again one of those games where you

1458
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 6: just don't know how up and how focused they are

1459
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 6: with the SEC tournament on deck n C double a

1460
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 6: tournament after that. But the market is kind of giving

1461
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 6: you mixed signals here, so I don't have a strong

1462
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 6: feel for this game. I do have a strong feel

1463
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,679
Speaker 6: for Florida over the next couple of weeks, but not

1464
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 6: necessarily in this particular matchup today against a Kentucky team

1465
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 6: that can get up and down and certainly will have

1466
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 6: the motivation and you know a lot of the you know,

1467
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 6: the the inspiration on Senior.

1468
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 5: Day down there in Lexington.

1469
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 4: It's funny, isn't sports are weird?

1470
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 3: Right?

1471
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 4: Where this this could be I'm not calling it. This

1472
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 4: could be a good performance from Kentucky today against a

1473
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 4: fantastic Florida team And it's one of these where you're like,

1474
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 4: where was that all year? You know, it could easily

1475
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 4: go down like that. By the way, quick shout out

1476
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 4: to Miami of Ohio. Oh yeah, he's an unbeaten Do

1477
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 4: you see any of the game last night against unbelievable

1478
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 4: game gone over time? It was a madhouse over there. Yeah,

1479
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 4: and Miami of Ohio survived, but fun stuff, man. And

1480
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what they're they're a tournament team. We

1481
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 4: can put that argument to bed.

1482
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 5: They better be. There's people in my mention saying they're not.

1483
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 5: If they lose next week.

1484
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 4: Well like they're probably not going to win their conference tournament.

1485
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 4: I think Akron is going to be very h akrons

1486
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 4: the favor. Yeah, but listen, as long as they're not

1487
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 4: one and done in the conference tournament, they're in the

1488
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 4: Big Dance.

1489
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 6: Yes, they went thirty one and oher in the regular season.

1490
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 6: You got to put them in a sixty eighteen field.

1491
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

1492
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 4: You have to.

1493
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 3: You have to.

1494
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 4: They would have to get obliterated in their first conference

1495
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 4: tournament game, and I don't think that's gonna happen.

1496
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 5: So not against you, mass Come on, No, they're in.

1497
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 5: You gotta put them in.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's dive into this.

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Speaker 1: Prop it up, don't player plays?

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01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 3: All right?

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01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 4: Prop bets galore, Jared, we start with you with something

1527
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 4: you like.

1528
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 6: Well, we like Duke today, right because they're gonna blow

1529
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 6: out UNC. But we don't necessarily want to lay the

1530
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 6: wood because this is a big number and Caleb Wilson

1531
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 6: is out and that's why it's a big number. So

1532
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 6: let's try to attack this game from the prop market

1533
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 6: perspective and target Cameron Boozer over twenty two and a

1534
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 6: half points. This is a he bench game for Duke.

1535
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 6: North Carolina is the only team to beat Duke in

1536
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 6: conference play this year. A month ago UNC one seventy

1537
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 6: one sixty eight in in Chapel Hill. Booser scored twenty

1538
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 6: four of the sixty eight Duke points in that game.

1539
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 6: So we get twenty two and a half now, and

1540
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,759
Speaker 6: no Caleb Wilson, who was fantastic in that first matchup

1541
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 6: forty minutes, twenty three points, four rebounds, two assists, a block,

1542
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 6: two steals, Partridge in a par tree. So no Caleb Wilson.

1543
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 6: We think Cameron Boozer in the Dukie's gonna be very

1544
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 6: up for a rivalry game. Twenty two and a half

1545
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:05,560
Speaker 6: point feels like a fair. No, we don't want to

1546
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 6: lay the big spread with the Dookies, but I will

1547
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 6: go over twenty two and a half points for miss

1548
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 6: the Bouza.

1549
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 3: Okay, another big one Kentucky hosting Florida. I like the

1550
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 3: under on Otegaway twenty one and a half today. He's

1551
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,719
Speaker 3: been a really good score for Kentucky, but this season

1552
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 3: in his average sits right around seventeen points per game.

1553
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 3: Florida is one of the better defensive teams in the SEC.

1554
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 3: We were talking about that earlier. They make your work

1555
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 3: for everything in the half court. Kentucky also spreads to

1556
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 3: scoring around, so it's not like every possession is assigned

1557
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 3: for oh Way to get to the hoop. Could he

1558
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 3: get hot, yeah, could he blow right past it? Yeah?

1559
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 3: He goes on heater nights, There's no question about it.

1560
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 3: But if you're playing percentages, twenty and a half feels

1561
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 3: little inflated. So I'm leaning the under on oh Way

1562
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:55,480
Speaker 3: today for Kentucky.

1563
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 4: All right, I'll go to the rebounds market over here,

1564
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 4: looking at Mark Mitchell forward over there with Miszoo. They're

1565
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 4: taking on Arkansas today. I'm gonna go under four and

1566
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 4: a half rebounds. And this is a bit of a

1567
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 4: trend if you look at this with Mark Mitchell, he's

1568
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 4: gone under his total rebounds at least four and a half. Right,

1569
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 4: if that's the number, could fluctuate game to game. But

1570
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 4: he's been under four and a half rebounds in each

1571
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 4: of his last seven games. So that's that's a repeated

1572
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 4: trend right now, and look, no a cuff junior. And

1573
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 4: so that throws a wrench into this. Maybe a few

1574
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,879
Speaker 4: more misses from Arkansas, maybe more potential for defensive rebounds.

1575
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 4: That's something you have to factor in. But if it's

1576
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 4: seven straight to the under, I'm just gonna keep riding

1577
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 4: that until it breaks. And I'm gonna guess that it's

1578
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 4: not breaking today. Give me Mark Mitchell the forward from Miszoo,

1579
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 4: the duke transfer number twenty five. Look for number twenty

1580
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 4: five to not be getting rebounds right as if twenty

1581
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,640
Speaker 4: five gets rebound, you gotta be oh, no, no, or

1582
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 4: to just be like no, it's an idiot.

1583
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 3: You know.

1584
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe you don't tail this one, but I like it.

1585
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go under four and a half for Mark

1586
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:09,600
Speaker 4: Mitchell rebounds.

1587
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like Miszool a lot today. Sorry, go ahead,

1588
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 5: you got another one.

1589
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 3: No, no, we we were talking about the sweat of

1590
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 3: watching a point a point prop versus rebound prop. You

1591
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Where guys missing foul shots last

1592
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 3: week we're saying it's the worst because Jared, I think

1593
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 3: you perfectly pointed out the reason why that gets so

1594
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 3: frustrating is because everybody on the planet, who can shoot

1595
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 3: a basketball, can hit a foul shot, you know what

1596
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 3: I mean?

1597
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 5: You know, so I can go with nobody watching.

1598
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 6: Exactly what people are watching, and it's that's what it

1599
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 6: gets harder.

1600
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 3: But a rebound against seven footers, you're you're so.

1601
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 6: Zero chance, no chance to get a rebound amongst the

1602
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 6: tall trees.

1603
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 3: I've got a good at I'll tell you what.

1604
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 4: Man, when it's four and a half, if a guy

1605
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 4: gets a rebound, it feels like he just got five

1606
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 4: at what you know what I mean, That's how it feels. Oh,

1607
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 4: what is going on? Happy Saturday to you?

1608
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 3: As we.

1609
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 4: Press forward toward March madness. Not that long from now,

1610
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,560
Speaker 4: not that long from now. What is it, March nineteenth?

1611
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 4: That would be the first real day that Thursday as

1612
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 4: not far from It's less than two weeks away. So

1613
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 4: we were getting there. And we've got a great matchup

1614
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 4: today at least rivalry wise, that would be North Carolina

1615
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 4: at Duke. Like you said, Jared, payback spot, the Duchies

1616
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 4: trying to avenge an earlier defeat at North Carolina and man,

1617
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 4: this point spread guys, seventeen and a half. Wow, it's

1618
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,799
Speaker 4: one of these where it's gonna go one of two ways,

1619
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 4: where you know North caro North Carolina is gonna keep

1620
01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 4: it respectable throughout and you're like, I knew seven teen

1621
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 4: and a half was too much, or you know, with

1622
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 4: no Caleb Wilson, the Dukies just come out suffocating defense.

1623
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 4: Their offense is doing their thing, Cameron Boozer's doing his thing.

1624
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 4: They're just steadily like growing this lead, growing it, growing it.

1625
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 4: And at halftime, you know, Duke's up by fourteen, and

1626
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 4: you're like, oh my gosh, I don't feel great about this.

1627
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 4: Plus seventeen and a half ticket in my back pocket, right,

1628
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 4: it's gonna go one of two ways. But heading into

1629
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 4: the game seventeen and a half is highly disrespectful, man,

1630
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 4: Like we're acting like this isn't a rivalry game, Like

1631
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 4: North Carolina's completely ineffective. I just I don't think it's

1632
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 4: that bad for them. I know Duke is playing their

1633
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 4: best basketball of the season right here.

1634
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 3: They are.

1635
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 4: They've been fantastic as of late. I've seen him twice

1636
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 4: in person. They crushed Syracuse them, then they crushed by

1637
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 4: Notre Dame fighting Irish. You know, they've been fantastic these

1638
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 4: last couple of weeks. But man seventeen and a half

1639
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 4: in a rivalry spot like that, it's tough to cover

1640
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 4: a number that big, Rich, Yeah, it really is.

1641
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 3: The injury wrinkle could could be a big factor here.

1642
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:14,759
Speaker 3: Caleb Wilson being out the freshman star responsible for twenty

1643
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 3: points nine rebounds per game this season, that that does

1644
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 3: make you think on it a little bit. And I

1645
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 3: would argue, just from a tempo standpoint, if this turns

1646
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 3: into a score fest that benefits Duke. But I mean,

1647
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 3: do I think they're gonna win this game? No? Do

1648
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 3: I think the point spread is respectful? Also? No, you

1649
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 3: know what I mean? I think I like, I feel

1650
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 3: like there's a happy medium here somewhere, And and you know,

1651
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,879
Speaker 3: and Jared, I'm glad you're next on deck here because

1652
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 3: when I see lines that don't make sense to me,

1653
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 3: typically I just run from him, you know, Like I

1654
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 3: like it's a Marquie Matt and Chapel Hill. Marquie matchups

1655
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 3: are fun tobacco road, we know. But like when when

1656
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 3: it's wonky like this, I just I just lay off.

1657
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,719
Speaker 3: I I ask the questions that I think are pertinent

1658
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 3: to ask from a betting standpoint, Why do I think

1659
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 3: this number is the way it is, and I could

1660
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 3: make plenty of arguments for that, but typically when I

1661
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 3: see a line that's really out of whack, instead of

1662
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 3: trying to exploit it, I just back off.

1663
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's not a lot of good reasons to

1664
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 5: back Duke today, guys, like because of the the how

1665
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 5: big the number is.

1666
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 6: Like I'm not saying that they're not gonna look great

1667
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 6: and they're not gonna win the game, but we're talking

1668
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 6: about it goes back to the Max Scrasby trade, right, Like, yeah,

1669
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 6: Max Scraw's be a great player. What are you giving

1670
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 6: up to get him? Yeah, Duke's a great team. North

1671
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 6: Carolina is without their best player. You know, the thumb

1672
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 6: surgery for Caleb Wilson, very unfortunate happen in practice, broke

1673
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 6: his thumb.

1674
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 5: What are we laying with Duke today?

1675
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 6: And the other scenario here is the rock element, which

1676
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 6: adds some frenziedness to this game. North Carolina played Duke

1677
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 6: really tough the last game. I know, Kayleb. Wilson was

1678
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 6: technically like the MVP of that game, but Carolina played

1679
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 6: him really tough. You know, this is a this is

1680
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 6: a rivalry we're all right, it's after respect where the

1681
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 6: sports book is approaching it from a number perspective.

1682
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 5: Haven't seen a ton of movement here.

1683
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 6: Bet MGM opened seventeen and a half, we haven't really

1684
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 6: seen any you.

1685
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 5: Know, strong push to either side.

1686
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 6: Right, Like if the number was wrong, the sharp money,

1687
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 6: the bill Krachenbergers would tell you that the number is wrong,

1688
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 6: they would go bet Duke and they would move this

1689
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 6: number eighteen eighteen and a half nineteen. Right, There's not

1690
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,719
Speaker 6: a lot of resistance once you get that high, Brian.

1691
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 6: It's not like a game that's gravitating around the key number.

1692
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 5: Right in football it's three. In basketball it's.

1693
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 6: Two, three, five seven, right, if it was a lower number,

1694
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 6: and all of a sudden, we're pushing through a lot

1695
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 6: of the keys, and you're like, all right, there's some

1696
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 6: really strong money on Duke today seventeen and a half.

1697
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 6: Like if a really sharp better love Duke today, this

1698
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 6: number would jump to eighteen and a half nineteen. So

1699
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 6: we haven't seen that, which means the number is right.

1700
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 6: And if the number's right, I'm not really that interested

1701
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 6: in betting the spread.

1702
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it. It's it's one of these deals.

1703
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 4: When I walk through this game and I play this

1704
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 4: scenario out of what's it gonna take to cover this

1705
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 4: spread if you're on Duke? And what could go wrong?

1706
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 3: Right?

1707
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 4: I think like that, like what could go wrong? And

1708
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 4: I look at Duke and it's like, Okay, I go

1709
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 4: back to the first game when North Carolina won the

1710
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 4: game and they had that big comeback late and the

1711
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 4: crowd was just going freaking crazy, you know, like the

1712
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:47,640
Speaker 4: Duke fans don't get me wrong, don't be fired up

1713
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 4: if they're putting it on North Carolina. But are they

1714
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 4: gonna be just fired up as if this is a

1715
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 4: you know, one possession game, every bucket counts, or you know,

1716
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 4: it's it gonna be the same emotion if the up

1717
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 4: by fifteen or sixteen and trying to push it to eighteen,

1718
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, it's just not gonna

1719
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 4: be the same feeling to it. And then I look

1720
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 4: at North Carolina's got a lot of pride. It's a

1721
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 4: rivalry game. No one wants to get waxed ever, but

1722
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 4: especially against your rival. So I think they're gonna play

1723
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 4: this thing out, you know, if they're losing pretty big late,

1724
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 4: if let's just say North Carolina is down by twenty.

1725
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna play this thing on out and

1726
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 4: Duke might put in subs, and you know, like now

1727
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 4: we're playing the foul game potentially, Like there are a

1728
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 4: lot of ways for Duke not to get there, And

1729
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 4: if I had to go one way or the other,

1730
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 4: I'm not laying seventeen and a half. I just can't

1731
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 4: in a rivalry game like this. We're acting like North

1732
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 4: Carolina is like fourteen and sixteen. They're twenty four and six.

1733
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,680
Speaker 4: A lot of those wins were with Caleb Wilson. But

1734
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 4: my gosh, dude, like that, we're acting like this team

1735
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 4: is brutal.

1736
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 3: They're not.

1737
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 4: They're not a brutal team. Duke is fantastic. I get that,

1738
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 4: but we're not. We're acting like North Carolina as the

1739
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,799
Speaker 4: sisters of the pooral here they are.

1740
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 3: They aren't, you know, And and like you said, all

1741
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 3: the things we know. The way the last game went, Yes,

1742
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 3: Caleb Wilson being out factors the fact that Duke they

1743
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 3: can their fan base can get behind him. All everything matters.

1744
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 3: But the biggest, the biggest variable is the correct word

1745
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 3: to put on it, is the fact that it is

1746
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 3: a rivalry. The fact that when you have a well

1747
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 3: coached team of hard, nos great basketball players taking a

1748
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 3: court and I understand, it's not the season any Tar

1749
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 3: Heel fan wanted to have. I get it, and it's not.

1750
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 3: It's not going well, but it's this isn't a team

1751
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 3: that's going to lay down and let you wipe your

1752
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 3: feet off on them. It's just not. And so again,

1753
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 3: if you ask the next couple of questions after you

1754
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 3: see a point spread that high, and then also where

1755
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 3: the line opened and the movement that Jared was talking

1756
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 3: about that didn't occur in a positive fashion for Duke,

1757
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 3: it just it goes a long way to suggest to

1758
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 3: all of us that this really isn't to me a game. Look,

1759
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 3: I guess if you want betting advice, if there's one

1760
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 3: one way that I'm leaning, it would be, you know,

1761
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 3: take the dogs on the point spread. But laying them

1762
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 3: with Duke feels feels hard to do. If it would,

1763
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 3: it feels hard to do. But if you're forced to

1764
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 3: make a bet on this, I think the more interesting bet,

1765
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 3: the the better easier sweat is U and C today

1766
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 3: plus seventeen and a half.

1767
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:48,640
Speaker 6: I think when you look at these games. Guys, the

1768
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 6: prop market and the other markets are your friends. Yeah,

1769
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,799
Speaker 6: Like we just talked about it with the Boozer prop

1770
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 6: Like that is more of a concentrated wager where I

1771
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 6: feel like the sports books might be a little bit wrong.

1772
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 6: Like if Boozer wants to go god mode today, twenty

1773
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 6: two and a half is a very low number for

1774
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 6: a rivalry game. But then you also have to take

1775
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 6: the blowout factor into account, like if they're up twenty

1776
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 6: in the final four minutes, he might sit. So this

1777
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,600
Speaker 6: is a tough I think there are better bets on

1778
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 6: the board today than this game. I actually think the

1779
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 6: rivalry games are really hard to bet, really hard to bet.

1780
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 6: I would actually lenk to the under a little bit

1781
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 6: just because of you would think there will be more intensity.

1782
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,679
Speaker 6: But I think this is a pass for me today.

1783
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 4: Brian, Yeah, hey, I get it. No one's holding you

1784
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 4: at gunpoint and saying.

1785
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 3: Who is it.

1786
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 6: I don't care to bet every game, guys, you don't

1787
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 6: have to bet every game.

1788
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 4: Sorry, we need a sign no aside. No, yeah, no,

1789
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 4: it's not like that. How about the basketball Iron Bowl?

1790
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 4: How about Alabama? And I'm not expecting a whole lot

1791
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:00,040
Speaker 4: of defense in this one that the points were it

1792
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 4: has come down. It was Alabama minus eight and a half.

1793
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 4: Last night it's ticked down to Alabama minus six and

1794
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 4: a half. I think with good reason. Alabama's defense is

1795
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 4: just that bad, right, It's hard to win a game

1796
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 4: by nine points when your defense is freaking brutal. And

1797
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 4: that's at least what the betting market is telling you.

1798
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 4: Where it might not be like oh War Eagle all day.

1799
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 4: You know, it's just man Alabama's defense. It's it's hard

1800
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 4: for them. They're gonna have to shoot the lights out,

1801
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 4: and they shoot a ton of threes, but they're gonna

1802
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 4: have to shoot the lights out. I think to even

1803
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 4: cover six and a half, Auburn's desperate. They can score

1804
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 4: it and Alabama can't stop it. That's that's the way

1805
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 4: I see this game the most simplistic fashion Rich, what

1806
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 4: are you looking at in the basketball iron? Do we

1807
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 4: call the basketball like a diary ball?

1808
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1809
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 4: It might be sacrilegious to even say that.

1810
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, it might be, yeah, it might be.

1811
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 3: You know, Nato, since taking over this program, he is

1812
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 3: one of the fastest, most analytics driven offenses in college basketball.

1813
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:01,679
Speaker 3: If this game is fast pacing chaotic, It obviously really

1814
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:04,600
Speaker 3: favors Bama, and I think it could end up that

1815
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 3: way because defensively, the issue here is Auburn's defense. When

1816
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 3: you look at advanced metrics, this is a rough one

1817
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 3: for Auburn. Their defense ranks around number one hundred, one

1818
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 3: hundred and fifteen in adjusted defensive efficiency, near the bottom

1819
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:26,640
Speaker 3: defending the three point line. Bama happens to lead the

1820
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 3: nation in three pointers made per game. It's just it's

1821
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 3: not a good matchup for war Eagle. This is gonna

1822
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 3: be like again, you know, if if like we're the

1823
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 3: way we were talking before, like if you're forced to

1824
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:45,799
Speaker 3: go to the window where somebody goes pick a side,

1825
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 3: like I'd rather lay them with Alabama because my trust,

1826
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 3: my trust is on the tide finding a way to

1827
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 3: making the pace too hot for Auburn to keep up with.

1828
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:02,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's really tough to bet Bama against

1829
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 6: the spread in any game unless they're a dog. I

1830
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 6: just think this Alabama team is a very one They're

1831
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 6: a very one dimensional team, and we're in that point

1832
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 6: in the season now where defense.

1833
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 5: Matters like it does.

1834
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 6: They're like, there's things that I look at and they're

1835
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 6: actually very good at preventing turnovers. Like that's one of

1836
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 6: the things we look at, is how good at you

1837
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:26,560
Speaker 6: at holding on to the basketball? Like the four factors

1838
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 6: in ken Pom, How good of a shooting team are you,

1839
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,720
Speaker 6: how good are you at limiting and forcing turnovers? How

1840
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 6: good of a rebounding team are you? And how good

1841
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:36,640
Speaker 6: at you are getting to the line, Like when you

1842
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 6: look at Ken Palm's metrics, those are the four cornerstones

1843
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 6: of how effective you are at winning games. Alabama's kind

1844
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 6: of at most of those categories. Like they're a really

1845
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 6: good shooting team, obviously fantastic, they're actually good at limiting turnovers,

1846
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 6: but on the defensive side, they're terrible. They're not a

1847
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 6: great rebounding team, and they're not great at getting to

1848
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 6: the line. So unless the threes are just falling in

1849
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 6: cascading raining down from the heavens, Alabama is just not

1850
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 6: a team that I'm very interested in betting on most days,

1851
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 6: maybe the over, and then you get that rivalry factor, right,

1852
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 6: I think this is a very tough day to be

1853
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:16,759
Speaker 6: betting high major college hoops. I think the best value

1854
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 6: spots in the market on the final day of the

1855
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 6: regular season tend to be in the totals market to

1856
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 6: the under. They also tend to be in the prop

1857
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 6: market if your state has you know, college props available

1858
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 6: to you, and really you look to the mid major tournaments,

1859
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 6: like that's where the professionals are hammering. Like, I have

1860
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 6: a couple of services I subscribe to that that send

1861
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 6: me their picks on a daily basis. None of them

1862
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 6: were Alabama or you know North Carolina, dude, Like they

1863
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:46,599
Speaker 6: were all unc Ashville, Winthrop, like you know, Appalachian State.

1864
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 6: Like those are the picks that I'm getting today from

1865
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 6: the professional gamblers, because that's where the market tends to

1866
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 6: be wrong this late in the year. The market tends

1867
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 6: to have Alabama and Do pretty well buttoned up at

1868
01:34:58,840 --> 01:34:59,799
Speaker 6: this stage of the season.

1869
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny, man, Like, God bless these people that

1870
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 4: break down these other I swear from time to time. Listen,

1871
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 4: there are people that really follow these they just are

1872
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 4: lesser conferences, right, they follow them religiously and they really

1873
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 4: know their stuff. And then there are other people that

1874
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 4: are just like I'm just gonna throw a dart at

1875
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 4: the dartboard and who's gonna know any better?

1876
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:25,679
Speaker 5: Really, you know what, I mean, and that's out.

1877
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 4: There too sometimes, so I always wonder that when I'm

1878
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 4: getting a bunch of those picks. But hey, I get it.

1879
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 4: I get it, And you're right, Jared. It's one of

1880
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 4: those deals where I don't care what it is. Just

1881
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 4: find value somewhere. I don't care if it's the Summit

1882
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 4: League or the ACE, doesn't matter, right Like, they all

1883
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 4: pay the same. Just gotta find winners. All right, We've

1884
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 4: got Rich Hornberger, Penn State, All American, Jared Smith FSR

1885
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:51,639
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1892
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 7: Pulled away by Washington, but his lead pack picked up

1893
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:16,360
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1894
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:20,840
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1895
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 4: There you go. The first points from Tatum right there,

1896
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:26,919
Speaker 4: as he got back from Achille surgery ten months removed

1897
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:30,919
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1898
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 4: and I do have to as the Celtics put it

1899
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 4: on the MAVs last night. I do have to mention

1900
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 4: our trusted producer Bo Benson when he sent me this,

1901
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 4: he did put unfortunately, you know.

1902
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 3: The Sheltic.

1903
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 4: I did like the personal touch of unfortunately it's gotta

1904
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 4: be Tatum. You know, I don't want it to be,

1905
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 4: but it kind of is. That's a funny message from Bo.

1906
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 4: Very well done. All right? Coming up next? Am I crazy?

1907
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 4: Don't answer that just yet. I actually prefer this. I

1908
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:05,839
Speaker 4: prefer one team to get a certain quarterback over another

1909
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 4: certain quarterback. We'll see if you're on board or if

1910
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 4: you're just like, this is radical even for you, Brian.

1911
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 4: You know, we'll see what happens.

1912
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:13,920
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01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:17,720
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Speaker 4: iHeartRadio app. Just search Fox Sports Radio in the app

1919
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Speaker 4: to stream us live all day, every day, and be

1920
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:36,800
Speaker 4: sure to select Fox Sports Radio as one of your

1921
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 4: presets in the iHeart app so it'll always pop up

1922
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Speaker 4: at the top of your screen. All right, So listen,

1923
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:48,680
Speaker 4: you guys. I've had some outside the box takes from

1924
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 4: time to time, you know, and you two have doubted

1925
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 4: my brilliance, and I hope you have learned your lap. Okay,

1926
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Speaker 4: I just want to say that and foremost at times, yeah,

1927
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 4: at times.

1928
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody, we brought up Alabama today and nobody mentioned

1929
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 3: of the football season that.

1930
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 4: Nobody, nobody, nobody had I didn't even think about that

1931
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 4: in the rearview mirror.

1932
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, guys, so we've evolved.

1933
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 5: Water under the bridge or over the dam wherever. I

1934
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 5: don't know what it's called.

1935
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 4: You know what that You brought that up, though, Rich,

1936
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 4: You know.

1937
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:27,799
Speaker 3: A year about a fool's gold.

1938
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 6: I mean, I think Alabama basketball is pretty fool's gold

1939
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 6: if you ask.

1940
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Speaker 3: Don't you talk about the time that way? Yeah?

1941
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:39,599
Speaker 4: I did mention that Ohio State was overrated and they

1942
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 4: were one and done.

1943
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, they were. They were very overrated. They

1944
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:45,040
Speaker 3: were overrated.

1945
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 4: Lost in the Big Ten championship game. Also, you know,

1946
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 4: I watched that game.

1947
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw it happen.

1948
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:53,040
Speaker 6: That Indiana team is pretty good, pretty good, but he's

1949
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 6: scoring ten points against that pretty good Indiana team.

1950
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Speaker 4: That's that's embarrassing right there. That's the overrated Ohio State crew.

1951
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 4: Although so those are some of my credentials, but we

1952
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:07,559
Speaker 4: give you the NFL. Here, the Vikings, they have a

1953
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 4: like no vacancy they have a vacancy sign outside of

1954
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 4: their hotel right where it's like, we need a quarterback here,

1955
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 4: like come on in quarterbacks right and the hot rumor

1956
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 4: now is Kyler Murray, the Arizona Cardinals quarterback to go

1957
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,679
Speaker 4: to the Vikings. And I love this side note where

1958
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 4: Arizona's like, if we can't find a trade partner, we're

1959
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 4: gonna release you.

1960
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 3: It's like, who's.

1961
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 4: Gonna trade for Kyler Murray?

1962
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 3: Now?

1963
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 4: Like why, I don't understand why that would even be

1964
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 4: out there. That's just weird to me. But anyway, he's

1965
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 4: gonna be released and a possible landing spot would be

1966
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:47,679
Speaker 4: the Minnesota Vikings. You guys, be one hundred percent honest

1967
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 4: that I know you are on this show. You can

1968
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 4: call me crazy if you want. I actually think there's

1969
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:56,440
Speaker 4: another quarterback that would work out better for the Vikings

1970
01:39:56,680 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 4: that doesn't have nearly the name recognition that Kyler Murray has.

1971
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 4: That would be Mac Jones. I would rather have Mac

1972
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 4: Jones as the next Vikings quarterback than I would Kyler Murray.

1973
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 4: And here's the thing. When you look at and we

1974
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:13,960
Speaker 4: could go through all the stats and all of this

1975
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:16,559
Speaker 4: and all of that, it comes down to Mac Jones

1976
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 4: is a better passer. I think that's what the offense

1977
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 4: can use more than Kyler Murray's, you know, dual threat

1978
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:25,600
Speaker 4: extend plays, pick up yards with his legs. He's been

1979
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 4: banged up quite a bit lately. You know, you look

1980
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:31,559
Speaker 4: at this last season five games played twenty twenty three season,

1981
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 4: eight games played. That's not what the Vikings need. They

1982
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 4: need consistency. They had nine you know, aka JJ McCarthy.

1983
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 4: He was banged up all last season. They need a

1984
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:45,879
Speaker 4: guy that's there sixteen seventeen games as their starting quarterback.

1985
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:48,719
Speaker 4: Are you convinced Kyler Murray's going to be that guy?

1986
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1987
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,840
Speaker 4: And what's interesting about these two quarterbacks. And I don't

1988
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 4: want to make it sound like I think Mac Jones

1989
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 4: walks on water, because I don't. But you saw last

1990
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:02,559
Speaker 4: season when he has a competent supporting cast, how much

1991
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 4: better he is all of a sudden. I think he's

1992
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 4: a legitimate candidate to be a Sam Darnold type quarterback,

1993
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:11,680
Speaker 4: where you surround Sam with actual talent and all of

1994
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 4: a sudden, Wow, he looks a lot better. That's Mac Jones.

1995
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:18,640
Speaker 4: He's a guy that can throw accurate passes with anticipation.

1996
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:21,680
Speaker 4: He's a good passer, and he played well for the

1997
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:24,640
Speaker 4: forty nine ers when brock Perty was banged up. You

1998
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 4: look at that supporting cast with the vikings. That gives

1999
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 4: him a real shot to be productive. And it's funny

2000
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:34,519
Speaker 4: when you look at Kyler in its simplest form, All

2001
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 4: of a sudden, Kyler, it's like the old MTV show

2002
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:39,679
Speaker 4: pimped that ride or pimp my ride. You know where

2003
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 4: he go and they spruce up your ride, and it's

2004
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:45,799
Speaker 4: like whoa. For some reason, this offseason has like pimped

2005
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 4: out Kyler's credentials. I don't know how he's turned into

2006
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:51,719
Speaker 4: a difference maker in one off season when he played

2007
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:54,719
Speaker 4: five games last season. Have you not watched this guy

2008
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 4: for like six seasons be mediocre at best? That's what

2009
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:02,479
Speaker 4: I've watched, you know, And So we look at Kyler,

2010
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:06,679
Speaker 4: and we look at the ceiling, we look at mac Jones,

2011
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:09,559
Speaker 4: we look at the floor, and I just don't think

2012
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 4: that's fair. I think you got to look at both

2013
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:15,200
Speaker 4: ceilings and both floors, and I look at the passing

2014
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:19,640
Speaker 4: ability with Mac Jones with a competent supporting cast, and

2015
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 4: I think that he's a better fit. If you go

2016
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 4: back last thing, I'll say, Rich you can go, yeah, yeah,

2017
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,280
Speaker 4: you go back to his Patriot days Mac Jones, and

2018
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:30,600
Speaker 4: he need to put up huge numbers. Leading receiver his

2019
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:34,960
Speaker 4: rookie season, Jacoby Myers, who's good, not dynamic, his leading receiver,

2020
01:42:35,120 --> 01:42:39,600
Speaker 4: second season, Jacoby Myers leading receiver, third season, Pop Douglas.

2021
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 4: Pop Douglas is your leading receiver? Are you kidding that?

2022
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 4: You got a guy named Justin Jefferson? Now, I think

2023
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:49,200
Speaker 4: Mac Jones would be productive. I think he'd be really good.

2024
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:51,800
Speaker 4: I think he'd be light years better than JJ McCarthy,

2025
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:53,799
Speaker 4: and I actually think he'd be better than Kyler Murray.

2026
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 4: There that's my spield, my crazy.

2027
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you're not. I like a lot of

2028
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:04,240
Speaker 3: what you said, especially fit scheme. Fit is the most

2029
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:07,719
Speaker 3: important thing in the NFL. It's more important than talent.

2030
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 3: You can take a fairly untalented quarterback in the right

2031
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 3: scheme and it can look pretty good. I e. Ryan

2032
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 3: Tannehill with the Tennessee Titans when Vrabel was there. They

2033
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:22,439
Speaker 3: built that team to fit his capabilities, and that was

2034
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 3: a pretty good run for Vrabel with the Tennessee Titans.

2035
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,680
Speaker 3: That's the reason why he earned a second act at

2036
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:29,639
Speaker 3: head coach and took a team in his first year

2037
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 3: with the Patriots as head coach all the way to

2038
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl because he understands how to build a

2039
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 3: scheme around the capabilities of his players. Kevin O'Connell does

2040
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:41,120
Speaker 3: the same thing. Obviously, Kyle Shanahan does that as well.

2041
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:43,759
Speaker 3: That's the reason why he was interested in mac Jones

2042
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 3: being on the roster in the first place. So reason

2043
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:48,639
Speaker 3: why he drafted brock Purty in the first place, it's

2044
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 3: because they look and value scheme over talent. Now here's

2045
01:43:54,720 --> 01:44:01,400
Speaker 3: there's a lot of upside with a mac Jones site signing. However,

2046
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:05,719
Speaker 3: from a court of public opinion, this is the only

2047
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 3: thing I'll say about signing Kyler Murray over mac Jones. Yeah,

2048
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,439
Speaker 3: you can make the argument for better playmaking capabilities out

2049
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:16,920
Speaker 3: of Kyler Murray if things break down, but does that

2050
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:20,679
Speaker 3: fit the system? Not necessarily, that's more nuanced, that's more

2051
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 3: you break glass in case of emergency stuff. But I'm

2052
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:29,639
Speaker 3: strictly talking about what the market is going to tell

2053
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:32,200
Speaker 3: you to do. If you're the Vikings brass who, by

2054
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:34,759
Speaker 3: the way, are operating without a general manager. Right now,

2055
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 3: all eyes on Kevin O'Connell. If you decide if you

2056
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:41,800
Speaker 3: will elect to go with Mac Jones, you're putting your

2057
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 3: job on the line. You are, You're saying, hey, we're

2058
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:48,840
Speaker 3: gonna be great with Mac, and if it doesn't work out,

2059
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 3: there's a lot of pressure on you. Now, if you

2060
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:55,559
Speaker 3: sign Kyler Murray after being cut to a vet minimum

2061
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 3: contract where the Cardinals are paying the bulk of his

2062
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:02,840
Speaker 3: salary this upcoming season, low risk, extremely high reward, and

2063
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:05,240
Speaker 3: that's a system he would probably want to play. And

2064
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 3: you just mentioned throwing a ball to a guy of

2065
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:11,799
Speaker 3: the likes of JJ Justin Jefferson, all of a sudden,

2066
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:13,960
Speaker 3: it takes a little bit of the pressure off of

2067
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 3: the people who are in charge of making the decision

2068
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:20,200
Speaker 3: to bring in that quarterback. So here's it's like it's

2069
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:23,960
Speaker 3: it is a sport and the best or the right

2070
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 3: decisions aren't always made. Because Kevin O'Connell's got a family defeed.

2071
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,440
Speaker 3: You know, he wants to keep his job in Minnesota.

2072
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:34,759
Speaker 3: He wants to keep his kids in the private school

2073
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:36,360
Speaker 3: and keep his wife happy at home.

2074
01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:36,639
Speaker 6: Right.

2075
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 3: You know that only happens if he keeps his job,

2076
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:43,360
Speaker 3: and you're gonna take a huge gamble and a huge

2077
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 3: risk bringing him mac Jones in terms of the court

2078
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:50,959
Speaker 3: of public perception and from the ownership standpoint for opinion,

2079
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 3: if you elect to go for mac over Kyler, so

2080
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,640
Speaker 3: it's a little bit of a buyer beware scenario.

2081
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:01,599
Speaker 6: This is a really interesting discussion. I'm actually glad Brian

2082
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 6: mentioned the mac Jones argument. Let's throw the Kyler Murray

2083
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 6: stuff to the side, because I think he's gonna be

2084
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,080
Speaker 6: released and he's going to be a very low risk

2085
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:11,080
Speaker 6: acquisition for somebody, And I don't know if it's gonna

2086
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:13,040
Speaker 6: be Minnesota. I think when we picked up by someone,

2087
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:15,160
Speaker 6: I don't know who. But the mac Jones scenario is

2088
01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 6: interesting because he is under contract with the Niners and

2089
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:22,880
Speaker 6: it's a very low risk contract, and considering how important

2090
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:25,880
Speaker 6: the quarterback position is and how injury prone brock Purdy

2091
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:30,200
Speaker 6: has been. It's you would be like, I think the

2092
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:33,000
Speaker 6: Niners are well within their rights to ask a lot

2093
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 6: in return for a relative, I mean relatively a very

2094
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:40,759
Speaker 6: cheap quarterback with pretty high upside. I would say, considering

2095
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 6: again how important that position is and his base salary

2096
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:48,519
Speaker 6: is one point four million nine that is nothing in

2097
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 6: the NFL world, especially considering the.

2098
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 5: Salary cap just went up.

2099
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:55,160
Speaker 6: So the Niners are going to ask for something very

2100
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 6: valuable back in return for Mac if they do end

2101
01:46:57,960 --> 01:46:58,920
Speaker 6: up parting ways with him.

2102
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 5: So Minnesota has to ask again.

2103
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:02,479
Speaker 6: It goes back to the Max Frosby and goes back

2104
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:04,719
Speaker 6: to any scenario that we talk about in the NFL

2105
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 6: trading world.

2106
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:07,519
Speaker 5: What is the cost?

2107
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 6: So if the Vikings have to give up like a

2108
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 6: second or third round.

2109
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:15,560
Speaker 5: Pick for Max Jones, is that worth the squeeze?

2110
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:17,559
Speaker 6: And it kind of reminds, you know what, This reminds

2111
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:20,880
Speaker 6: me of very similar situation happened in twenty eighteen. And

2112
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:22,360
Speaker 6: I remember this because I was a Jets fan and

2113
01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:24,559
Speaker 6: I remember the exact scenario how it played out. Remember,

2114
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,519
Speaker 6: the Jets had like nine quarterbacks on their roster. One

2115
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:31,440
Speaker 6: of them was Teddy Bridgewater, who was fantastic in the preseason,

2116
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:34,920
Speaker 6: and the Jets put him on display in the preseason

2117
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 6: because they wanted to get some value back for remember

2118
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 6: they just drafted Sam Darnold. Well, they ended up getting

2119
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:43,479
Speaker 6: a third round pick for the Saints for Teddy Bridgewater. Like,

2120
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:45,720
Speaker 6: that's a pretty decent return for a guy who was

2121
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 6: going to be a backup quarterback that year. So it's

2122
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:52,080
Speaker 6: very interesting to see how the Niners play this because

2123
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 6: we know John Lynch could be very aggressive when it

2124
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 6: comes to wheeling and dealing. I think Jones is very

2125
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:00,800
Speaker 6: valuable because of his cheap price to and what he

2126
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:03,840
Speaker 6: can do for your roster as a veteran quarterback that

2127
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:06,120
Speaker 6: can step in and start right away. So I think

2128
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 6: what you do is you put him on display. I

2129
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 6: think they're gonna be pumping up his value. You're gonna

2130
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 6: be seeing maybe if he on the roster come training camp, preseason,

2131
01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 6: you're gonna you're gonna see a lot of Mac Jones.

2132
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 6: You'll be hearing a lot of reports about how good

2133
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Speaker 6: he is. We'll see if the Vikings want to wait

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01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 6: that long. And that's the other piece to this that

2135
01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 6: Rich mentioned. They don't have a general manager, so how

2136
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 6: do they handle this scenario? Do they give up draft

2137
01:48:28,479 --> 01:48:31,839
Speaker 6: assets now for a guy that maybe the new GM's

2138
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:34,200
Speaker 6: not even gonna like like it's just it's a really

2139
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:36,519
Speaker 6: interesting scenario that's gonna play out over the next few

2140
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:37,600
Speaker 6: months in Minnesota.

2141
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Speaker 3: Yeah it is.

2142
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:42,080
Speaker 4: It's an interesting spot, no doubt about that. And yeah,

2143
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 4: you have to do this side by side. What's it

2144
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:47,760
Speaker 4: gonna cost, How do they fit in the system, how

2145
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:50,720
Speaker 4: productive do they you know, project to be?

2146
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:51,280
Speaker 5: All of that.

2147
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:53,839
Speaker 4: So you gotta do, you know a pros and cons

2148
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 4: with both of these guys, Kyler Murray in mac Jones,

2149
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 4: because yeah, there's a solid argument for the forty nine

2150
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:01,519
Speaker 4: ers where they're like, we really don't want to part

2151
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:03,479
Speaker 4: with mac Jones. Let's just say the phone rang and

2152
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:05,800
Speaker 4: it's the Vikings and they're like, hey, what would it

2153
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 4: take for us to get mac Jones. We're looking like

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01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:11,679
Speaker 4: at a three, and the Niners think is it worth

2155
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:14,679
Speaker 4: it for us to get a three for Mac? When

2156
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:17,400
Speaker 4: Purdy's been banged up here and there? They might not

2157
01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:19,920
Speaker 4: think it is so, but I look at it the

2158
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:22,680
Speaker 4: other way too. If you're the Vikings and look at

2159
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:24,840
Speaker 4: what's happened around the league all of a sudden. The

2160
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 4: Colts think that they found a legitimate quarterback in Daniel Jones,

2161
01:49:29,160 --> 01:49:31,240
Speaker 4: at least he was before he got hurt last season.

2162
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:34,679
Speaker 4: Time will tell if that remains true. The Seahawks certainly

2163
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 4: think they found a legitimate quarterback with Sam Darnold, you know,

2164
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:40,720
Speaker 4: and they just want a Super Bowl. So if it's

2165
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:44,200
Speaker 4: a it's a three to get Mac Jones. If you're

2166
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 4: the Vikings and you're like, nah, little too costly right there,

2167
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 4: I don't know what you're thinking, man, because I think

2168
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:54,479
Speaker 4: mac Jones fits in that offense. He's got way better

2169
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 4: weapons to throw to than he's had at any stop

2170
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:00,559
Speaker 4: minus the forty nine ers last year, and they were

2171
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:02,640
Speaker 4: banged up. It's not like they had their full compliment

2172
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:06,040
Speaker 4: of players here. But and I just look at this too.

2173
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:07,680
Speaker 4: When I look at Kyler Murray, I don't want to

2174
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:09,559
Speaker 4: make him sound like he stinks, because I don't think

2175
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 4: he does. I just think he's been average at best.

2176
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:16,520
Speaker 4: When you go he's had Trey McBride, who is a baller.

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Speaker 4: He's had Marvin Harrison Junior, who's the top five pick.

2178
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:22,800
Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior is done next to nothing. Do you

2179
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 4: think if Marvin Harrison Junior had a top ten quarterback,

2180
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:30,120
Speaker 4: top five quarterback, his stats would look the way they do.

2181
01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 4: I don't think that for a second. So I don't

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01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:34,720
Speaker 4: know that Kyler Murray can get the best out of

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01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 4: this Vikings offense. But our trusted producer, Bo Benson, he's

2184
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:38,559
Speaker 4: got something here.

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01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:38,880
Speaker 3: What do you have?

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Speaker 10: I just think you guys have all mentioned something that

2187
01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:44,519
Speaker 10: makes this all All three of you guys have made

2188
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 10: the point. I think why the Vikings are gonna sign

2189
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:50,519
Speaker 10: Kyler because, like Rich said, he's cheap, right, He's gonna

2190
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 10: be on the minimum because the Cardinals are paying most

2191
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:55,160
Speaker 10: of his salary. The Vikings have been cutting a bunch

2192
01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:57,040
Speaker 10: of guys this week because they had to get under

2193
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:57,800
Speaker 10: the cap.

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01:50:57,960 --> 01:50:59,639
Speaker 5: And I don't like I agree with you, Brian.

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01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 10: I think mac Jones is probably a better quarterback for

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01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 10: what the Vikings want to do, but their GM got

2197
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 10: fired because he could not draft. So the last thing

2198
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 10: they need is to give up draft capital to get

2199
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:14,400
Speaker 10: a quarterback when they need to get younger and cheaper

2200
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:17,479
Speaker 10: at positions all over the field. And so I think

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01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 10: you just take a flyer on a guy who was

2202
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 10: a first overall pick and hope that it works out.

2203
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:24,920
Speaker 10: But yeah, I think mac Jones is I think is

2204
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:27,800
Speaker 10: a great idea, but I'm not sure how much the

2205
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:29,880
Speaker 10: Niners want to move him, as to Jared's point, because

2206
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:33,000
Speaker 10: Rock Perdy gets hurt every year. So it's really just

2207
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 10: a confluence of things where maybe there's a better path,

2208
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:36,920
Speaker 10: but I think the Kyler path is the easiest one

2209
01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:37,479
Speaker 10: for them to take.

2210
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it. It's funny too, the timing of it.

2211
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 4: There was a mac Jones put out like this highlight

2212
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:46,120
Speaker 4: thing of the trip to I forget where it was,

2213
01:51:46,160 --> 01:51:48,360
Speaker 4: but it was like a one minute little and he's

2214
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:49,840
Speaker 4: got the dad bod going.

2215
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 3: You know.

2216
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:53,400
Speaker 4: That's how people think of mac Jones. They're like, I

2217
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:55,479
Speaker 4: could beat him in a forty and I haven't run

2218
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:58,160
Speaker 4: a forty in you know, twenty years. That's how people

2219
01:51:58,240 --> 01:52:01,760
Speaker 4: think of mac Jones. And I get it. But I think,

2220
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:05,240
Speaker 4: man like, I'm all for quarterbacks that can move, and

2221
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:08,040
Speaker 4: they bring that element. Sometimes it comes back to bite you.

2222
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 4: I think it has with Kyler Murray at times where

2223
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:14,760
Speaker 4: he's been injury prone and no one looks at the

2224
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:18,760
Speaker 4: downside of mobility and they look at a guy like

2225
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:21,640
Speaker 4: mac Jones who's immobile and They're like, yeah, you're kind

2226
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:23,680
Speaker 4: of like a dinosaur. You're like dial up, man. This

2227
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:27,040
Speaker 4: is a high speed NFL Internet world, and I just

2228
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:30,439
Speaker 4: don't look. Matthew Stafford just won MVP. You're not winning

2229
01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:34,559
Speaker 4: any agility contests anytime soon. There's still plenty of room

2230
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:38,240
Speaker 4: for quarterbacks who don't bring mobility to the table. Just

2231
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:42,840
Speaker 4: throw dimes, throw with anticipation, throw with a competent supporting cast,

2232
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:45,800
Speaker 4: and you can do work in this league. And I

2233
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:47,640
Speaker 4: think matt couldn't do it with the vikings.

2234
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:54,439
Speaker 3: I agree again, better fit better, better. I would say

2235
01:52:54,600 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 3: potential for consistency offensively, but most likely not gonna happen

2236
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:08,160
Speaker 3: because of how the decision will be perceived. Whether look,

2237
01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 3: mac Jones will be a low cost option. Also, it's

2238
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,599
Speaker 3: not like you're gonna break the bank footing the bill.

2239
01:53:14,160 --> 01:53:17,400
Speaker 3: But you have to remember you just whiffed on JJ McCarthy.

2240
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:22,400
Speaker 3: Public sentiment in Minnesota is not thrilled with that. It's

2241
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:25,920
Speaker 3: a quarterback driven league. And when you bring in, as

2242
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:30,160
Speaker 3: Bo perfectly presented it, a former first overall draft pick

2243
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:34,280
Speaker 3: who has an unbelievably high ceiling in terms of playmaking ability,

2244
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:37,400
Speaker 3: and you pair him with an offensive guru for a

2245
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:42,640
Speaker 3: head coach. It feels more catalytic than bringing in purer

2246
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:47,840
Speaker 3: wow Mac Jones, you know, like he just sort of

2247
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:53,479
Speaker 3: feels like you just missed out on the showcase. Oh

2248
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:58,799
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you were over by seventeen dollars. The price

2249
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 3: is wrong, you know. So it's just it's just unfortunately,

2250
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:09,439
Speaker 3: like I said earlier, in the NFL, we lose sight

2251
01:54:09,479 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 3: of the fact that this is a business. Yes, these

2252
01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:15,639
Speaker 3: are teams, right, you know we talk about the NFL

2253
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:19,880
Speaker 3: is changing the rules. Well, no, these human beings who

2254
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:24,599
Speaker 3: own these teams are making the game more palatable from

2255
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:28,560
Speaker 3: an offensive standpoint, or they're protecting their highest paid assets

2256
01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:32,040
Speaker 3: on the football field with rule changes to protect quarterbacks.

2257
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 3: Like these are human beings making these decisions. And when

2258
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell when he looks himself in the mirror, when

2259
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:40,600
Speaker 3: he wakes up in the morning, right and he's shaven

2260
01:54:40,680 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 3: his face, and he's got a toddling little toddler or

2261
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:45,440
Speaker 3: I don't know how old his kids are now, but

2262
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:47,680
Speaker 3: he's got a family that he's got a feed and

2263
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:50,720
Speaker 3: he's thinking like, gosh, I would really like macium my system,

2264
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:56,280
Speaker 3: but I can't face the public and say Mac Jones

2265
01:54:56,360 --> 01:55:00,520
Speaker 3: is the guy when Kyler Murty, we can sign Kyler

2266
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:04,640
Speaker 3: Murray for vet minimum, we gotta do it, and I've

2267
01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 3: got to make it work.

2268
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:10,000
Speaker 6: I would agree, because again, the Niners are holding all

2269
01:55:10,040 --> 01:55:13,080
Speaker 6: the cards here. And if I was the Niners and

2270
01:55:13,160 --> 01:55:16,680
Speaker 6: John Lynch, why would you trade mac Jones now today

2271
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:19,680
Speaker 6: when you can hold on to him he's under contract

2272
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:22,920
Speaker 6: for a minus school price, hold on to him for

2273
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 6: the entire offseason, wait for a team to get Really,

2274
01:55:26,440 --> 01:55:28,480
Speaker 6: this is what the Jets did again in twenty eighteen

2275
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:31,320
Speaker 6: when they drafted Sam Darnold. They waited for a team

2276
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:33,600
Speaker 6: to get very desperate, and then the Saints said, yeah,

2277
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:35,840
Speaker 6: we'll give you a third round pick for Teddy Bridgewater.

2278
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:38,560
Speaker 6: So and I think mac Jones frankly might be worth

2279
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:39,520
Speaker 6: more than Teddy Bridgewater.

2280
01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:41,400
Speaker 5: So you wait.

2281
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:44,880
Speaker 6: You hold on to that value until the opportune time.

2282
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:45,840
Speaker 5: And it's not now.

2283
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:48,920
Speaker 6: It's not now because the Vikings have options and they

2284
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:50,560
Speaker 6: could say, well, we don't really need to give you

2285
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:52,640
Speaker 6: a third round or whatever round pick for mac Jones

2286
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:54,120
Speaker 6: because we can go sign Kyler Murray and we can

2287
01:55:54,160 --> 01:55:56,200
Speaker 6: make our fan base happy. We can have an opportunity

2288
01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:58,440
Speaker 6: to get better by signing him and not have to

2289
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:01,920
Speaker 6: give up a draft asset for it. So I think

2290
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:06,600
Speaker 6: the unique scenario here, Right, there's three very unique scenarios

2291
01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:10,240
Speaker 6: here that make this a tricky handycap. One, the Vikings

2292
01:56:10,240 --> 01:56:13,120
Speaker 6: don't have a GM like that is the number one like,

2293
01:56:13,160 --> 01:56:14,280
Speaker 6: they do not have a GM, so.

2294
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:16,240
Speaker 5: We don't even know who's making the actual decision.

2295
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:19,960
Speaker 6: Two is because mac Jones is under contract and requires

2296
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:23,120
Speaker 6: trade value to acquire him or another player. And then

2297
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:25,200
Speaker 6: three the fact that there is a former number one

2298
01:56:25,200 --> 01:56:27,800
Speaker 6: pick Kyler Murray available for league minim. Like, there's just

2299
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:31,000
Speaker 6: a lot of really interesting factors that are kind of

2300
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:34,120
Speaker 6: confounding together to make this a really tough decision. I

2301
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:37,000
Speaker 6: don't think this is going to be decided upon before

2302
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:41,040
Speaker 6: the draft. That's my personal opinion. I think we'll get

2303
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:44,320
Speaker 6: the Kyler Murray release. He will sign somewhere if it's

2304
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:47,680
Speaker 6: not the Vikings. I don't think they're going to trade

2305
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,480
Speaker 6: for mac Jones before the draft. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm

2306
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:52,720
Speaker 6: wrong a lot, but I think Jones will stick around

2307
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:56,040
Speaker 6: in San Francisco through the summer and then when the

2308
01:56:56,120 --> 01:56:59,240
Speaker 6: value is at the peak, wait for the opportune time

2309
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:01,680
Speaker 6: to trade for mister Jones.

2310
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:04,240
Speaker 4: All right, super super fast point because I know we

2311
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 4: got to go just a one word answer. Who do

2312
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:09,880
Speaker 4: you think would work better for the Vikings?

2313
01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:11,400
Speaker 5: Mac or Kyler?

2314
01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:12,000
Speaker 4: What do you say?

2315
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:13,240
Speaker 3: Rich Mac?

2316
01:57:13,640 --> 01:57:15,280
Speaker 4: What do you think? Jared agreed?

2317
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:17,800
Speaker 5: I would say Matt because of Kevin O'Connell system.

2318
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:19,960
Speaker 4: And so that's the thing, Like we could be wrong,

2319
01:57:20,440 --> 01:57:24,120
Speaker 4: but the Vikings aren't willing to potentially part with a

2320
01:57:24,160 --> 01:57:27,640
Speaker 4: third round pick for the quarterback they think will work better.

2321
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:30,480
Speaker 4: That's crazy to me. That's insane to me, you know,

2322
01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:33,200
Speaker 4: like you don't want to go bargain shopping with your quarterback.

2323
01:57:33,400 --> 01:57:35,560
Speaker 4: But we'll see how it unfolds. It's probably gonna be

2324
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:40,040
Speaker 4: Kyler because yeah, all right, we've got Rich orn Berger,

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Speaker 4: get off the air. Props to the crew, our trusted

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Speaker 4: producer Bo Benson, the Dodger Zone pod, our technical producer

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Speaker 4: extraordinaire Chris Burfett, and shout out to our guy Saga

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Speaker 4: all that good stuff. Top of the hour up on Game,

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Speaker 4: on Fox Sports Radio. All right, we got some picks

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Speaker 4: to make. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Rapid fire.

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Speaker 4: All right, shared, we start with you with something you like.

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Speaker 6: Sun Belt Quarterfinal Southern miss app State under one thirty

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Speaker 6: five and a half. Two good defenses, two bad offenses.

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Speaker 6: They just played about six weeks ago. The game landed

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Speaker 6: one thirty three tournament feel. Hopefully it stays under this

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Speaker 6: one as well. Vanderbilt plus three and a half at Tennessee.

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Speaker 6: No Nate Emmett for Tennessee today out with injury. The

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Speaker 6: Doors just played the balls. About two weeks ago, they

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Speaker 6: lost by for at home. They didn't shoot it well

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Speaker 6: in that game. Ammett had thirteen and nine, so he's

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Speaker 6: a big point, especially on the glass. I think Vandy

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Speaker 6: bounces back here, keeps it close, maybe even wins out

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Speaker 6: right in Knoxville, and my.

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Speaker 5: Favorite player of the day.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna lay it with Miami on the money line today,

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Speaker 6: they're about a one and a half point favorite. It's

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Speaker 6: minus one thirty five on the money line. Anytime it's

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Speaker 6: one and a half, I just lay the money line.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to win by one and lose. Louisgo's

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Speaker 6: terrible on the road and they are heavily reliant on

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Speaker 6: the three ball.

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Speaker 5: Came to a solid team, so I'll take Miami on

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Speaker 5: the money line.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the dog Prince is back. As Jared Smith pointed

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Speaker 3: out earlier, Oklahoma State plus thirteen and a half today.

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Speaker 3: Houston is elite defensively, but they play very controlled, slower style.

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Speaker 3: I like the dogs in this one. I'll take Oklahoma

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Speaker 3: State Virginia Tech plus eleven and a half in state

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Speaker 3: rivalry game. Those ten to state tight give me BA

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Speaker 3: Tech plus eleven and a half against Virginia Savior plus

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Speaker 3: thirteen and a half. They quietly covered big spreads against

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Speaker 3: Villanova multiple multiple times in recent matchups. So give me

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Speaker 3: Xavier plus thirteen and a half today.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'll go quick so they don't have a Swiss

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Speaker 4: Give me BYU minus two and a half against the

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Speaker 4: top ten team at home laying daph Sir, sign me up.

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Speaker 4: I think they show up. Let's unleash the bonsa. Give

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Speaker 4: me North Carolina plus seventeen and a half. Way too

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Speaker 4: many points. Give me Arizona State always state under one

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Speaker 4: forty seven and a half.