1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace in the last hours, a 2 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: bombshell ruling by a judge and a cult mum Lorie Chase. 3 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: Will it change the course of events with me an 4 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: all star panel to break you down and put it 5 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: back together again, But first take a listen to this 6 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: and Idaho judge ruling that the case against Chad day 7 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 1: Bell and his wife, Laurie day Bell, will be tried together. 8 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: The judge saying that both have a common scheme linked 9 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: to the allegations. He also wants to avoid having trials 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: that are too similar and considered the COVID nineteen safety 11 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: guidelines involving finding one jury as opposed to finding two. 12 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: So day Bell is accused of concealing the remains of 13 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: Laurie Valo's children JJ and Tylie Ryan. Those bodies were 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: found on his Idaho property. His wife faces similar charge. Up. 15 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friends at Fox ten News Phoenix. 16 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: I wish the judge hadn't said so much, because just 17 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: think about it, if you were being charged, if you're 18 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: being tried for murderer, and the judge said, well, I'm 19 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: going to try you with the other killer because your 20 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: trials are so similar. You know, the justice system is 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: not about cutting corners and cost saving, It's about doing 22 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: the right thing under the constitution. The reason legally and 23 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: under the Constitution that Laurie Valoe cult mom and our 24 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: brand new hubby, Chad day Bell, the Doomsday cult leader, 25 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: are going to be tried together under the law, not 26 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: because you don't want duplication, but because they are connected 27 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: by a pattern of facts. They are connected by scientific evidence. 28 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: That is why they're being tried together now again under 29 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: the law. If this were a death penalty case, the 30 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: likelihood is they would not be being tried together. Let 31 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: me introduce you are all Star panel. First of all, 32 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalyst to the Stars, joining me out 33 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. You can find her at doctor Bethany 34 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. Philadelphia criminal defense attorney Joseph Morone at 35 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: Morone Law dot com joining us from Philly. Professor Forensics, 36 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on 37 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: Amazon and the star of a brand new series, Poisonous 38 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: Liaisons on the True Crime Network. Joe Scott Morgan, telecommunications 39 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: expert out of Raleigh. Ben Levitan at Ben Levitan dot 40 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: Com and that telecommunications evidence is one of the reason 41 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: cult mom is going to finally get to sit next 42 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: to her new hubby in court. Nate Eaton reported with 43 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: the Idaho News dot com. Nate Aton, you were the 44 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: one that followed them all the way to Hawaii and 45 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: got this whole thing kicked off. But for those of 46 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: you that native refresher course, take a listen to Kalin 47 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: Ford inside edition. It was just before Christmas that police 48 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: in Rexburg, Idaho, pleaded with the public for help. Two 49 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: children were missing and hadn't been seen since September. Seven 50 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: year old Joshua jj Vaalo was described as having special needs, 51 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: including autism. Police said his sixteen year old sister, Tylie Ryan, 52 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: was devoted to him. The FBI and the National Center 53 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: for Missing and Exploited Children were part of the search. 54 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: Police said this doorbell camera footage was the last known 55 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: video of JJ. The police of the children's mother, Laurie Vallo, 56 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: wasn't helping to find them and had never reported them 57 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: missing at all. Never reported your own children missing JJ 58 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: and Tylee JJJ seven, Tyley's sixteen. And then this is 59 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: when cultmom Laurie Valo really showed her tree callers listen 60 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: to callen Ford inside edition. Authorities in Idaho had given 61 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: Laurie a January thirtieth deadline to prove the kids were okay, 62 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: but she didn't show up. Then, on February twentieth, Laurie 63 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: was arrested in Kawaii and charged with felony desertion of 64 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 1: JJ and Tayle and misdemeanor charges of resisting and obstructing 65 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: an officer, solicitation of a crime, and contempt. Laurie made 66 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: her first court appearance in Kawaii before being extradited to Idaho. 67 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: Straight out to Nate Eton with East Idaho News dot Com. Nate, 68 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: You've been on a story from the very beginning. That 69 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: was you running along beside cult mom Laurie Valo, asking 70 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: where are the children? And where are the children? He 71 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: got a pretty icy response when you told her that 72 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: all across the world people were praying for the discovery 73 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: of her children. She didn't seem too happy about that. 74 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: I bet she's st doing mad right now after this 75 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: judge's ruling. What's happening, Well, we do not after this 76 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: judge rule that the cases will be combined. It was 77 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: actually Chad's attorney that opposed joining them, Laurie's attorney, and 78 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: Laurie was just fine with the issue. They didn't raise 79 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: any sort of concerns with it. Chad's attorney says, if 80 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: we can find them, the media coverage is going to 81 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: be too much. He won't get a fair trial. If 82 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: he won't get a fair shake. Judge, we need to 83 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: separate these trials. The judge said, no way, and now 84 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: the proceedings will go forth if everything goes as planned 85 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: early next year. Let me understand, so cult Mom's lawyer 86 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: did not want the case is severed. Laurie Valo's attorney 87 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: was fine if they were joined. They were just fine 88 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: with having the proceedings together. He raised no objection. Okay, 89 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: let me bring in our defense attorney, Joseph Marone out 90 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: of Philadelphia. Noses and way around the courtroom. Joseph, I've 91 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: never heard in a capital case such as this one. Well, 92 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: of course they haven't been charge flat out with a 93 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: murder yet, but in a case of this severity having 94 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: both lawyers fine a joinder, Well, I don't. I think 95 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: each each attorney has his own strategy. But Laurie's attorney 96 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: just didn't oppose it. I mean, there's still an opportunity 97 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: for severance because there's a possibility Chad made plead out right, 98 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: so he just didn't oppose it. And really, Chad the 99 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: one was a big problem the bodies were found on 100 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: his property. He's the one to kind of lead this 101 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: whole cult. A lot of the evidence kind of gears 102 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: to him to being the leader. He has the problem. She, 103 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: on the other hand, is going to play as if 104 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: she had ultimately was just led into this, really had 105 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: no direct involvement, really didn't know what was going on. 106 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: Now that's the story. Now. I don't know whether or 107 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: not these attorneys are going to be able to sell that, 108 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: but I think it's definitely against Chad for these two 109 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: to be together. I mean it's I think it's against 110 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: both of them. I'll tell you why. I called it 111 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: the melted cheese theory. You know when you get a 112 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: ham and cheese, how the cheese melts down over everything. 113 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: The reality is in this case, doctor Bethany Marshall, you're 114 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: the shrink, and boy do we need one right now? 115 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: When all the evidence comes in about these children, one 116 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: of them being dismembered, buckets of flesh and a skull. 117 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: These are two little children. They're her children. When all 118 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: that comes into evidence, you don't think that jury's going 119 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: to look over at her and think, how in the 120 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: h E double L did you let this man engineer this? Oh? 121 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: And I just looked at her pictures, Nancy. The last 122 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: time she was in court, her hair was done up. Oh, 123 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: please quiet. You always want to remind me about her 124 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: getting her hair done and her makeup dune and her 125 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: nails done before she goes to court. And that was 126 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: before her children's bodies were found on her brand new 127 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: husband's pretty Well, what does her hair have to do 128 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: with this, Bethany, Well, Nancy, I have to add lash 129 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: extensions she had. She looks like she's wearing last I 130 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: don't know what those are. Go ahead are steady permanent 131 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: fake eyelashes, and I'm wondering how she got those in jail. 132 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: But that's besides the point. What the point is is 133 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: that the jury is going to look at this woman 134 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: and say, not only were you not bonded with your children, 135 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: because there are some things, That's what they're going to say, Bethany. 136 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: They're not going to be worried about bonding They're gonna 137 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: be worried about that green plastic bucket. A flesh crime 138 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking about the death 139 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: of two little children, and in the last hours a 140 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: major bombshell from the court we learned that both cult 141 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: mom Lorie Valoe and her brand new husband, Chad Daybil 142 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: are going to be tried together. This is a huge, 143 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: significant ruling in the case because of what I call 144 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: the Milton Cheese theory, everything that comes in, I guess 145 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: one of them will melt on to the other. Now 146 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalyst joining me out of Beverly Hills, doctor Bethany Marshall, 147 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: is telling me that the journey is going to be angry. 148 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: They call it mom didn't bond with her children, And 149 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: I say, they're going to be more worried about the 150 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: green plastic bucket of human flesh. What about that, doctor Bethany, Well, 151 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: Nancy is always the right. It's the cruel, heinous aggression 152 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: towards the children, not only killing them, but dismembering them. 153 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: And this is a woman who preferred her religiosity, preferred 154 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: her husband, preferred a new life to her own children. 155 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: And what we see with mothers who kill. Moms who 156 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: kill is that they always have a sense that they're 157 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: going to have this idealized life once their children are 158 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: out of the way. But Nancy, she could have placed 159 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: them with a relative. She could they were, you know, 160 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: JJ was seven, highly was was about to go off 161 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: to college. She could have lived with them a few 162 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: more years and then had her idealized life. But no, 163 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: she didn't stop there. She tortured them, She dismembered them. 164 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: She she beautifully blamed her bomb. Her lawyer is gonna 165 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: blame day Belle. And that goes back to what Joseph Marone, 166 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Criminal Defense was turning was saying. He was saying, 167 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna hurt day Belle Moore to have them joined. 168 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: But I think it's gonna hurt called Mom Moore, because 169 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: you know what, let me go through it with you. 170 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: Jo Scott Morgan, hold on, Bethany, before you give me 171 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: your shrink opinion on this, Jo Scott, if you could 172 00:10:54,800 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: describe the way the bodies were found, Well, first let's 173 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: let's take Tyle's body. Nancy, her body was essentially found 174 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: immediately adjacent to what's being referred to as the fire ring, 175 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: and also an associated area where animal remains had been 176 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: cemetery where they buried their pets, that where the body 177 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: was found. Yeah, yeah, you're right, and it kind of 178 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: gives you. For me, at least, it gives me an 179 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: indication that she was a bit more dehumanized than JJ. 180 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: And I'll explain that in just a brief second. But 181 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: so do you mean that when she turned into a 182 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: team she started saying the ugly word. No, Tom, Mommy 183 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: wanted her to do something because I feel like the child. 184 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: Let me go to Nate Eaton. Hold On, I'm sorry, 185 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: Joe scot I'm going to circle back to you, Nate Eaton. 186 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: I started with you, and somehow I got lost with 187 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. Okay, Nate, I think that Tyley started 188 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: pushing back against Lorie Valo and that JJ, who just 189 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: sometimes out of control with all his hyperactivity. He's a 190 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: little boy, and she was just fed up with it. 191 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: This is a major ruling, Nate. Why, Well, we know 192 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: that those they'll be one jury, there'll be one judge. 193 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: They both chat and Laurie will be in the courtroom together. 194 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: Their attorneys will both be arguing on their behalf. Now, 195 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: remember that additional charges could be coming right now. These 196 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: two have not been charged with murder. Yeah, I don't 197 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: understand that, Nate Aden, what's the problem. There's a dead, 198 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,599 Speaker 1: dismembered body, the two bodies once dismembered on his property 199 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: and the whole time the cops are searching it. He's 200 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: on the phone with cult mom in jail and she's saying, 201 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: did they find anything? Of course she knows the bodies 202 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: are there. Why aren't they both chried with being charged 203 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: with murder. Well, the one thing we do know is 204 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: that her brother, Alex Cox, he's now dead, was out 205 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: there at the property day that those bodies were allegedly buried, 206 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: according to the police. So one of their theories, one 207 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: of their defenses, could be that Alex did it and 208 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: he's no longer here to defend himself or to be 209 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: charged with any sort of charge. So the prosecutor has 210 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: said all along he's going to be very careful with this. 211 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: There's also been some COVID restrictions as far as grand 212 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 1: juries meeting here in Idaho. They're not meeting, and they 213 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: haven't been meeting for months. So if by zoom not 214 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: in Idaho, they're not allowing them. Why they have they 215 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: have to meet in person. They have to be there 216 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: to be able to see the evidence so that you 217 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: know other right, the Supreme Court of Idaho has said 218 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: no grand juries can meet now if they were going 219 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: to indict by grand jury. That's caused a wrinkle in 220 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: the case. One thing to remember Nancy two One year 221 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: ago this week, November fifth, Chattam Morey got married on 222 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: the beach. So they're celebrating their first anniversary this week 223 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: in separate jails. Just weeks after Chad's wife, Tammy died, 224 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: and we are still waiting on that autopsy result from 225 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: her death. It's been a year now. We still don't 226 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: know how she died, other than police are saying that 227 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: it's suspicious. Nate eight and I had no idea. You're 228 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: such a roman at keeping up with her anniversary, Anna 229 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: Bombshell in the case, are there the suspects take a 230 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Court TV. Lorie Valadebell has 231 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: an upcoming trial and she's got an attorney name Mark 232 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: Means who's a very aggressive advocate for his client. And 233 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: he has now gone online and is doing what I'm 234 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: calling a means tweet, not a mean tweet, but a 235 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: means tweet. Take a look at what he tweeted here, 236 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: all the rats are running. He tweeted that, and he 237 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: tweeted as I prepare the defense for Lorie Valade bell, 238 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: I am learning that persons like Melanie Gibb and her 239 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: boyfriend David Warwick here to have been eagerly quote involved 240 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: in more than they led on. If you know something, 241 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: say something, Well, he's got a nerve. If you know something, 242 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: say something, and he's representing cult mom Laurie Valo she 243 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: knew something all those months and didn't say a darned thing, 244 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: Nate Eton. She knew where her children were, she said 245 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: nothing because she knew they were dead. So, Nate Eton, 246 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: it seems to me that the suggestion of other perpetrators 247 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: is rearing its ugly head through Laurie Valoe's lawyer. He's 248 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: pointing the finger. And then close friend Melanie Gibb, what's 249 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: the story. Well, Melanie Gibb has been one of the 250 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: key witnesses with the prosecution yet the preliminary hearing, you 251 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: might remember she played a phone call where she confronted 252 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: Chat and Laurie. I believe it was about twenty minutes saying, 253 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: why won't you say where j J and Tie were? 254 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: This was a phone call from last winter, before they've 255 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: been arrested, before anything was out there. Melanie GiB knows 256 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: a lot. The prosecutors are going to use her a lot. 257 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: She knew Chat and Laurie better than anybody. She has recordings, 258 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: she has notes, she has journals. So of course the 259 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: defense attorney is going to try to go after her, 260 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: kidds to poke any sort of hole in her story 261 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: that he can. Well. As a matter of fact, what 262 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: kind of witness will Melanie GiB be? Remember she was 263 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: in the initial charges thrown at cult Mom Laurie Value, 264 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: a charge that cult Mom tried to get other people 265 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: to lie about the children's whereabouts. That was tried to 266 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: get Melanie GiB to lie about the children's whereabouts, and 267 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: it became a charge in an indictment. Take a listen 268 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: to Melanie GiB talking to Nate Eaton. When you realize 269 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: that the people that you know and you're close to 270 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: and love have been involved done something that has to 271 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: do with kidnapping and people dying, you start to think, 272 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, are they going to come up for me? 273 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: Like is she afraid for her own wife. Are they 274 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: gonna come after me? You're hearing Melanie gives speaking to 275 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: Nate Eaton. So, Nate, where is Melanie Givebn Does she 276 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: know they're trying to blame her for the murders? Yeah, 277 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: she's aware of it. She is getting ready to take 278 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: the stand when this eventually goes to trial. She told 279 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: me as recently as last week that the truth will prevail. 280 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: That was her response to Mark Means tweet that really 281 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: doesn't tell me a whole lot. The truth will prevail? 282 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: What truth is she talking about? She's confident in what 283 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: she knows and what happened in her relationship with Chatten 284 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: for you, Nate, come on. Everybody that goes to court 285 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: says the truth's going to come out. Even defendants dying 286 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: the world convicted say oh, the truth is going to 287 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: come out. Well, it usually does that. Actually it usually 288 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: is about them. I hope Melanie Gibb is right. Crime 289 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace guys, in the last hours, a 290 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: major breakthrough in the case. We now know a jury 291 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: will hear all the evidence because caught my Lord Valo 292 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: and her lover turned new husband, Chad day Belle the 293 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: doomsday cultist. They're going to be tried together in the 294 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: same courtroom. They'll finally get to see each other in 295 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: the flesh. They've been living off phone calls to each 296 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: other behind bars. I wonder if they know those calls 297 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: are being recorded. Take a listen to what we know 298 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: about the bodies. How this whole thing started. This as 299 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: Detective ray herm a CEO. They removed some top soil 300 00:18:52,800 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: that was right underneath the side, which revealed three large 301 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: white rocks, flat rocks. Okay, and can you explain for 302 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: the court how those rocks were oriented in a row? 303 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: So there was a large rock, a large rock, and 304 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: a large rock. Okay, After you observe that, what did 305 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: you observe? Next? They removed the rocks and it underneath 306 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: the white rocks was some thin wood paneling. Okay, And 307 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: what did you observe them do with that paneling? They 308 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: removed the paneling, okay? And then what did you observe? Initially, 309 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: as soon as they removed the paneling, I it smelled 310 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: the odor of a decomposing body. And take a little 311 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: bit more of a listen to the detective. Listen once 312 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: that was discovered, what did the ar what did you 313 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: observe the arteam to excuse me, what did you observe 314 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: the ARTAM team do? They continued to just work around 315 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: the head that was exposed, They took pictures, they did 316 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: whatever their team leader instructed them to do. Okay. Was 317 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: an item of interest eventually pulled out of that area? Yes? 318 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: And can you describe what that item of interest looked like? 319 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: It was a what appeared to be a small body 320 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: tightly wrapped in black plastic covered in duct team There 321 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: was also a melted green bucket that appeared to be 322 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: the burnt flesh from one of the children, and a 323 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: partial human skull found under the bucket. The remains were 324 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: placed in a bag and put in the coroner's vehicle. 325 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: The children's burnt in a green bucket? How did that happen? 326 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan. My thought is Nancy that bucket that 327 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: was found in the ground with Tyley, it's probably a 328 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: catch basin. You know. Let's keep in mind her body 329 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: was partially dismembered, and we don't know specifically everything that 330 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: was kind of dismembered from her body. But I do 331 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: know this. I think they had an area and I 332 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: say they is this is a group of people that 333 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: did this. In my opinion, they had an area where 334 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: they were dismembering her, and they were trying to catch 335 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: the blood and maybe some of the tissue, and so 336 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: in a very quick manner, they took all of that 337 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: exposed it to heat for at least long enough for 338 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: that skull to have essentially shattered due to the heat. 339 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: It was very intense heat, but not it didn't last 340 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: long enough because they still had remained, so the bucket melt. 341 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: That's why you're seeing the bucket in there. In my opinion. 342 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,479 Speaker 1: Now that's Tyley. If we go to JJ, you know, 343 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: you heard them talking about these flagstones, and you heard 344 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: them talking about the wood paneling. That suggests that they 345 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: spent a lot more time with JJ. They even wrapped 346 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: his body. Tyley wasn't the same, Okay, So these two 347 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: events have different meanings to them in my opinion. And 348 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: you know the fact that he was so kind of 349 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: tightly wound in this plastic and then surrounded. They're talking 350 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: about a copious a large amount of tape that's securing 351 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: his body. Yeah, kind of like a mummy. But I 352 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: don't understand. For me, I don't understand why they took 353 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: so much time with JJ and not as much time 354 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: with Tylely. I think I think that there was a 355 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: lot of hatred directed at her. I think maybe reflectively, 356 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: like you were saying, maybe she had a big mouth, 357 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: maybe she ran her mouth to her mama and her mama. 358 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait wait, maybe instead of saying this 359 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: little girl had a quote big mouth, that she was 360 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: growing weary of her mother and her cult behavior and 361 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: taking up with the next man that happened across her path. 362 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: Maybe this girl was just old enough to know everything 363 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: this doomsday cult leader Chad day Belle was spewing was 364 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: a line of bs, and she questioned that maybe she 365 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: dared to say, Mom, he doesn't make any sense. I 366 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: remember Nate eaton East Idaho neews dot com. Do you 367 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: remember one there was a moment when Calt mom Laurie 368 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: Valo was talking and she said something about Tylely and 369 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: Tyle's presence and Tyly very calm. He goes, Mom, I 370 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: am not a zombie. Do you remember that change? I 371 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: mean for her to answer so matter of fact me, Mom, 372 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: I'm not a zombie. Obviously that had been discussed before. 373 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: I don't call him that having a big mouth. Nate 374 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: Eton as Joe Scott Morgan just did. Yeah exactly. There 375 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: was a moment where Laurie told Tylie, you've become a 376 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: zombie and she said, oh, not me, mom, not me too. Also, 377 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: remember that Tyleie was one of the only witnesses who 378 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: sat her father shot and killed Charles Valow. She was 379 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: in the house, so she knew stuff. She knew stuff, 380 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: and Laurie knew that she knew stuff. You know, doctor 381 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall psycho when I was joining me out of 382 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. We cover child abuse cases, child murder cases 383 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: all the time. I haven't thought about this case in 384 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: this fashion, but imagine not so much to Jay Jakes, 385 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: I don't think you really knew what was going on. 386 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: But TYLEI being called a zombie by her mother, watching 387 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: her mother take up with you yet another man that 388 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: happened to go by and fall under his crazy cult 389 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: spell spewing all this end of days bs calling her 390 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: a zombie, completely distracted with being a mom, focusing on 391 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: nothing but scoring another husband, which she did, I might add, 392 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: and didn't she just get the prize? But the way 393 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: she must have treated this young teen girl in the home. 394 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: Don't you know she resented her so much and couldn't 395 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: wait to get rid of her daughter. Tyleie was the 396 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: truth teller. Tyleie was the one who saw through all 397 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: the bs and saw the reality of who her mother 398 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: was going to marry. The fallacious nature of this cult. 399 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: As the panel keeps saying, Tiley knew all. It reminds 400 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: me of Narcissus who fell in the pool and drowned. 401 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: We think it's because he was so in love with 402 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: himself to merge with his image. I once heard from 403 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: a literature professor that actually his image looking back at 404 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: him was frightening. He did not want to see himself, 405 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: so he went to stab his own eyes out in 406 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: the pool and drowned. So, in other words, what I'm 407 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: saying is that Tylie saw her mother clearly, and the 408 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: mother could not tolerate that, so she stabbed out the life, 409 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: the spirit, the intellect of the one who saw her. 410 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 1: What Joe Scott, do you hear, Let her do the 411 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: analysis and you stick with the forensics, because I don't 412 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: know that I'm ever going to forgive you for saying 413 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: Tylie had a big mouth all right, well, hang on now, 414 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: hang on, let me add one more thing and maybe 415 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: you can, you know, find some redemption in this for me. 416 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: Many times with abuse kids, what we'll see as far 417 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: as trauma goes, is that if the child back talks 418 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: the mother or the parent or the guard and lots 419 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: of times, what will happen is that kids will be 420 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: popped in the mouth repeatedly. You'll see all kinds of 421 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: mouth related injuries. They'll even do things like salting and 422 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: peppering the mouth. And I'm talking about like putting stuff 423 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: in the mouth in order to shut them up. It's 424 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: almost a metaphor, if you will, if you want to 425 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: go down this tract of literature analogies. But with her, 426 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: I'm really wondering. They keep talking about this fractured skull, Nancy, 427 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: And we don't have all of the information yet, but 428 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: I wonder, I really wonder if those are not if 429 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: they're not heat related fractures, could her skull have been 430 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: crushed and could it have been crushed just out of 431 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: sheer anger? This is a raged fill event, Nancy. And 432 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: if she perceived this child as running her mouth and 433 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: not being quiet, just on and on and on and on, 434 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: after death, there might be an attempt to destroy her 435 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: and kind of project this onto her. I really wonder 436 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 1: they really do. In Florida, that shot both of her 437 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: children and shot the teen daughter in the mouth. Remember 438 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: the husband was away overseas. They were both high ranking 439 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: in the military, and the mom just didn't want to 440 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: hear the back talk anymore, shot the daughter in the 441 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: mouth and shot the sun to cover up because he 442 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: knew what happened to the daughter. Crime stories with Nancy 443 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: Grace talking about major developments in the last hours, and 444 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: here's one of the reason the judge ruled the way 445 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: he did. Take a listen to a phone call between 446 00:28:46,360 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: cult mom Laurie Valo and new husband Chad day Bell. Okay, okay, yeah, 447 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: m hm right, means we'll be talking to you. Okay. 448 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 1: Why are they in the house? Ye? Property? Are they 449 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: seeing them again? Thank y? You are hearing a phone 450 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: call between Lorie called mom Laurie Valo and new husband 451 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: Chad Dave'll take a look. Take a listen to more 452 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: of this call. And remember she's behind bars during this call. 453 00:29:50,520 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: Have you talk to hiding so he knows what they're doing? Yeah? Good, 454 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: call somebody else. Sometimes I love you so much than 455 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: I love your trying to call you reader. Um, I 456 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. Yeah, let's examine what we're hearing. 457 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: Did you ever notice, um Jackie on the show Cops 458 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: where there'll be guys sitting on his easy chair watching TV, 459 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,959 Speaker 1: and all of sudden the cops to come running through 460 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: in front of him. He just keeps sitting there, drinking 461 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: his beer. He's laying I surprised at all there were 462 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: cops running through his house. Well, do you hear these 463 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: voices to Joseph Marone, Philadelphia criminal defense attorney UM veteran 464 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: trial lawyer at Marone Law dot com. Joseph, he's not, 465 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: doesn't sound at all surprise there digging in his backyard. No, 466 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't. I mean, if you listen to this conversation, 467 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it would tell me as a juror that 468 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: these two are very complacent and very at ease. They're 469 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: not concerned about the wealthfare of these children. They're just 470 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: concerned about each other and which will further this conspiracy. 471 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: You've got to remember, they're charged with the conspiracy of 472 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: destructing or altering this evidence. And if you've got to 473 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: take this case as a whole. If you go all 474 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: the way back from when Chad kind of lured her 475 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: in and worked her and brought her into this cult, 476 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: and you follow all the facts of this case, I mean, 477 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,239 Speaker 1: it shows that they worked in concert to ultimately do 478 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: what they said they did. And I think what's interesting, 479 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: what's the most interesting thing here in this case is 480 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: Alex Cox with Alex Cox, the brother who they have 481 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: some direct evidence to him being on the property, of 482 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: him holding the child to sleep, taking the child to 483 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: the property. You have Lorie with alex multiple times after 484 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: this event. All those facts are going to show that 485 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: she worked with Chad in this conspiracy to hide this evidence. 486 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: It's just and Joe Maroney, Philadelphia criminal defense lawyer. On 487 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: another occasion, she referred to Alex Cox as her avenging angel. 488 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: She told her then husband, I have an avenging angel 489 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,479 Speaker 1: here to deal with you if you show up talking 490 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: about her brother, Alexie, who did shoot Yes, yes, Jose 491 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: ultimately did shoot the husband dead and then claimed self defense. 492 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: So apparently he did it again with the children with 493 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: her full knowledge. And what I'm saying, I mean, wouldn't 494 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 1: you expect doctor Bethany Marshall for the I mean, if 495 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: I saw cops digging up my backyard, I'd go out 496 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: there and go, what are you doing? Why are you 497 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: died up this dress? Nancy? That's exactly what you would do. 498 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: You know what this reminds me of is Casey Anthony. 499 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: Her mom calls, is trying to pin her down on 500 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: where a little Kayley is, and she's like, mom, Mom, 501 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: what's happening with my boyfriend? That's all she cares about. 502 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: It is the boyfriend. It's your love interest, the bonds 503 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: person that was in the home. I found out later 504 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: after she first made bond. She gets home instead of 505 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: asking one thing about Kelly, Tomm goes, hey, Mom, must 506 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,479 Speaker 1: for supper? Anyway to Nate Eaton, I've got telecommunications expert 507 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: being Levitan with me. Nate, could you tell me the 508 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: significance of the GPS information and why these two are 509 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: going to be tried together because of it? And then 510 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: being loveaty, I can explain the significance. Well, Chad's phone call, 511 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: will you please stop calling him by his first name 512 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: like your best friends mister day Bell, Chad day Bell, 513 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: day Bell, thank you, go ahead, spent it. He sent 514 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: a text message to his wife Cammy the day that 515 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: police believed Tyley was buried, and he said, an interesting day, 516 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm summarizing here. I just shot a raccoon in the 517 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: yard and buried him in the pet cemetery. A fun times. Well, 518 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: the day that that text message was sent, police went 519 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: to Alex Cox's phone. His GPS was on, so they 520 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: were able to get the exact GPS location, and they 521 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: pinned his GPS to that pet cemetery where Chad had 522 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: said he buried the raccoon. But now we know that 523 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: Tylie's body was buried there. Ben Levitan Telecommunications expert joining 524 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: me out of Raleigh at ben Levitan dot com. Ben, 525 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: How precise is that type GPS tracking on phones? One 526 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty feet Nancy, And in an area, an 527 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: open area like Idaho, it's going to be extremely accurate, 528 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: probably get you down thirty feet or so. All right, 529 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: So when you call nine one, you know, in there 530 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: in downtown Atlanta, you get all these buildings and things 531 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: up around you. Often they can't get a good GPS 532 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: on you. But I would say they probably had Alex's 533 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: phone with him thirty feet of where he really was. 534 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: So if we've got Alex's phone there. Could we also 535 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: GPS locate the coltster Chad Dayvil's phone and place him 536 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: there as well. I mean, I know what Nate Eatan 537 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 1: just said, and he's right again from East Idaho News 538 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: dot Com. That Chad day Bill then makes that crazy 539 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: phone call text message to his then living wife Tammy, saying, oh, 540 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: I shot a raccoon today and buried it at the 541 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 1: pet cemetery. That's strong enough for me. But what about 542 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: locating his phone by GPS? No, See, that's a misconception. 543 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: When you are using yourself phone, you're connected up to 544 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: the closest self tower and a cell tower simply a 545 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: radio station. And in Idaho, that radio station goes out 546 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: about five miles in every direction. We cannot place him 547 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: in an area. We can place him in an area 548 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: that's within five miles of that self tower, and Nancy, 549 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: that's what Alex Cox down to thirty feet, but not 550 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,919 Speaker 1: Chad day bel okay, Because the records that police are 551 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: using are called call detail records. Every time you make 552 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: a call, receive a call, send and receive texas, the 553 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: phone company only keeps records of the self tower to 554 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: which you were connected. In the case of Alex, we 555 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: had his GPS active. Okay, the records that are kept 556 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: in the normal cars of business, Nancy buy the phone 557 00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: companies only show the call parties who called to what 558 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: they did in this case a text message, and to 559 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: which cell tower he was connected at that time. So 560 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: as a cell tower there is a little radio station, 561 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,919 Speaker 1: it goes out five miles in every direction. So how 562 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: big is that? Let's see, that's like a seventy five 563 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 1: square mile area. Because they can't go back and triangulate 564 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: his phone location, absolutely not. Then how did they do 565 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: that property? How did they eating? Go ahead? Nate the 566 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 1: f from where I understand, the FBI had Alex's phone 567 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 1: after he died. After he died in December, they had 568 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: his and they processed that phone for months. That's why 569 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,240 Speaker 1: it took police so long to go and find the bodies. 570 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: The sad past the months and months they were waiting 571 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: on that. Why can't they do that with Davil's phone. 572 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if they've done that with Chad Davil's home, 573 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: so they may be doing that. Well, Bill out of 574 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: a tan, you just taught me something I did know 575 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: about tracking phones for right now, these two are going 576 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: to stew in the same pot in front of a jury. 577 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: But as Nate Eaten from East Idaho News predicts, I 578 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: think there will be more charges, including murder charges. We 579 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds in the case I've called Mom, 580 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 1: Laurie Vallo and her brand new hubby, Chad day Bell, 581 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime story signing off goodbye friend,