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Speaker 1: teams value ingrade you based on starters on their own team,

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Speaker 1: Like i I've always heard the Patriots based it on

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Speaker 1: are you better than my starting right guard? Doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: where you fall in the draft or whatever. That's up

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Speaker 1: to Belichick to figure out value. If you go into

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Speaker 1: let's just say you go into cal tomorrow or Texas

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Speaker 1: and they have a starting right guard, you grade him

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Speaker 1: not based on the league. You know, is he gonna

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Speaker 1: be at all pro? Is he better than our guy?

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Speaker 1: Is he is to be a start? Would he be

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Speaker 1: a backup? Would he be a practice squad guy? And

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Speaker 1: and every team is kind of different. Now some of

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Speaker 1: these teams because they have so much carry over of

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Speaker 1: you know, GM's from one place, like all the Green

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Speaker 1: Bay guys somewhat think alike. All the Belichick guys have

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Speaker 1: a similar system to do it. The Giants guys forever

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Speaker 1: and that's where Belichick started, you know, have a similar system.

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Speaker 1: So you know the guys Joe Douglas that now runs

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Speaker 1: personnel for Howie he brought that Raven system, and the

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Speaker 1: Ozzie Knewsome guys forever kind of spread around the league.

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Speaker 1: So there are to me six or seven general ideas

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Speaker 1: that are different between groups of teams. But I think

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Speaker 1: teams would ideally. Kyler is an exception because he's such

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Speaker 1: an elite player. I think it's becoming pretty clear, and

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Speaker 1: maybe it's just because it's the combine, but he measured

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Speaker 1: in at five ten, he has big enough hands. His

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Speaker 1: tape speaks for itself. It's incredible. I saw Brett Veach

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Speaker 1: on today with andrews Leano on the NFL Network. I

453
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Speaker 1: texted him, I said, v you look skinny. He looks.

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Speaker 1: He looked good, but he dropped a quote. And to me,

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Speaker 1: this means something because last year Brett beat said something.

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Speaker 1: He said, Patrick Mahomes the best player I've ever evaluated.

457
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Speaker 1: And Mahomes, I mean that was Vaches guy. He said,

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray makes mahomes s throws. So to me, that's

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Speaker 1: not getting thrown around Cavalierley, Like, that's a guy that

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Speaker 1: loved Mahomes since college, drafted Mahomes and has built his

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Speaker 1: franchise around Mahomes. So him throwing that out there isn't

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Speaker 1: like the other gms. That means something. And as someone

463
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Speaker 1: said on Twitter, oh, he's just trying to hYP him up,

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Speaker 1: you know, to make a player fall, which you can

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Speaker 1: argue sometimes in the draft. The Chiefs are drafting twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is a lock. I mean a lock, top

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Speaker 1: ten player, let alone probably top five players. So he's

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Speaker 1: not worried about that that he's not worried about Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray going before pick nine. That's going to happen. But

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Speaker 1: I think when you do the John Rosses and this

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Speaker 1: is why we made a big deal Jonah Williams that

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Speaker 1: the many consider one of the best tackles in this

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Speaker 1: draft had short arms, and I saw Joe Staley, the

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Speaker 1: forty Niners left tackle tweeted out they said the same

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Speaker 1: thing about me, and Joe Staley did have shorter arms.

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Speaker 1: My rebuttal would be, Joe, you were an elite athlete

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Speaker 1: for your position. So if you're gonna have a characteristic

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Speaker 1: or equality at the combine short arms, slow, you better

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Speaker 1: balance that out with doing something great. Joe, you were

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Speaker 1: one of the best tackle athletes we've ever seen. One two.

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Speaker 1: You were not considered a top ten pick. You went

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Speaker 1: at the end of the first round. So the reason

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Speaker 1: we make a big deal of these measurements because they matter.

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Speaker 1: I've stood next to Jason Peters. There's a reason they

485
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Speaker 1: talk about reach in boxing and fighting because if I

486
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Speaker 1: can hit you and you can't hit me, more than

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Speaker 1: likely I have a chance to win. Jason Peters Tyron

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Speaker 1: Smith of the Cowboys. The tackles arm link does matter

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Speaker 1: now can you over comment? For sure? Again, Joe Staley

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Speaker 1: overcome it, overcame it by being a top notch athlete.

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Speaker 1: Can you overcome size? Would Kyler Murray be Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: if his athletic ability was Tom Brady like? Of course not.

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Speaker 1: The reasoning such an elite prospect is because he's an

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Speaker 1: elite athlete and he throws the ball really well. But

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Speaker 1: it's a combination of that. If he was five ten

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Speaker 1: and was a statute, we wouldn't be talking about him

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Speaker 1: going number one. But if he was six four, we

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Speaker 1: would be talking about who's going number two because it'd

499
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Speaker 1: be a lock who's going number one. So these numbers,

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Speaker 1: these stats in the NFL, has been in the analytics

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Speaker 1: business forever, does matter. So back to the basis of

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Speaker 1: this question was how do teams judge these guys? And

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Speaker 1: the answer is not trying to be you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: not answer your question directly, but it's just it's different.

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Speaker 1: It differs team to team and every team views it

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Speaker 1: a little differently. And let's call of what it is

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Speaker 1: you do get emotionally, It's easy to say I'm not emotional.

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Speaker 1: I'm not emotional. Really, one GM is the best of

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Speaker 1: that Belichick. Other teams fall in love with players. You'll

510
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Speaker 1: see a guy and you're gonna really want them, and

511
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Speaker 1: that that's happening right now. That's the fun part of

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Speaker 1: the combine. You get a guy, you meet a guy,

513
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Speaker 1: you're like, God, I like that guy. I love his tape.

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Speaker 1: Then you watch him workout, You're like, god, I love

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Speaker 1: his workout. You just it's it's natural, right. You're just

516
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Speaker 1: gonna like certain guys more than others. You might have

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Speaker 1: a guy on your draft board. Let's say you ranked

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Speaker 1: the top fifty players. You may like the guy at

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Speaker 1: twenty more than you like the guy at four. That's

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Speaker 1: happening all over the league. You like guys that aren't

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Speaker 1: necessarily the top guy on your draft board. Your favorite

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Speaker 1: player in the draft, maybe a dude you can get

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Speaker 1: at the end of the first round. That may be

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Speaker 1: the guy you super light right for whatever reason, super

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Speaker 1: like I don't even know if I that makes sense,

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Speaker 1: but you get my draft. So this is ah, I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to the combine. My guy, Daniel Jeremiah. The

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Speaker 1: reason I got the West Coast job with the Eagles

529
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Speaker 1: was because he went to NFL Network, and he was

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Speaker 1: a big reason. Having my back and helping me campaign

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Speaker 1: for the job, and we've been friends ever since. And

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Speaker 1: he's been a big I mean I I've admired him

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Speaker 1: from Afar, not far. I mean he lives in California too,

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Speaker 1: but I just mean like, as his career's gone, he's

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Speaker 1: always helped me out. And when I got fired with

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, he tried to help me get a job

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Speaker 1: with the NFL network writing on NFL dot com. And

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Speaker 1: he's been awesome. So I I really look forward to

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Speaker 1: watching DJ. You know, he's he's a great balance of

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Speaker 1: being fun and knowing and ship. So the combine should

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Speaker 1: it should be a fun weekend. Okay, I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: to the middlecoff mail bag. I have so many d

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Speaker 1: m s I'm probably not gonna answer them all, so

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Speaker 1: some of them I'll probably just respond to you manually.

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Speaker 1: Uh if you don't get on the podcast. Some of

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Speaker 1: them will just say for next week. But I'd imagine

547
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Speaker 1: we'll have so many over the weekend because of the combine.

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Speaker 1: The combine basically is a made for TV event. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's when Kyler weighed in today and he was two

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Speaker 1: oh seven. I got a lot of texts like does

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Speaker 1: he run later today, first thing in the morning. Now

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Speaker 1: he runs Saturday. So the quarterbacks were wide receivers, running backs,

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Speaker 1: d lineman, linebackers, corners, safeties all Saturday, Sunday, Monday. So

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Speaker 1: it by the time that my new podcast comes out

555
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Speaker 1: next Tuesday, the combine will be over and we'll have

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Speaker 1: a pretty good idea. Some dudes that jumped off the screen,

557
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Speaker 1: some crazy things probably gonna happen. But if I don't

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Speaker 1: get to your question, I apologize. I appreciate everyone getting

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Speaker 1: too this. We're gonna keep doing it. Uh And I

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Speaker 1: respond to a lot of people just manually. So if

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Speaker 1: I don't get to you here with my words, I'll

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Speaker 1: text with you on d M s. Do the Jets

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Speaker 1: follow recent trend of the second year first draft quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: making the playoffs? It's a good question. I would say

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Speaker 1: that is a pretty good question. Last I think podcast

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Speaker 1: or maybe a couple of podcasts ago I asked who

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Speaker 1: had the brighter future? The Bills are the Jets. I

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Speaker 1: like the Bills infrastructure. Just Sean McDermott's proven he can

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Al So I was Adam Gaze, but

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Speaker 1: he works well with his his general manager, which he

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Speaker 1: basically brought from Carolina in being. My problem with the

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Speaker 1: Jets is just their cohesion. They already had some issues

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Speaker 1: with the coaching staff. They haven't even got t to

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Speaker 1: o t as yet. This gaze is gonna listen to

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Speaker 1: the GM. I'm a big Sam Donald guy. I believe

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Speaker 1: in Sam Donald. I think he's going to be a star.

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Speaker 1: So if I was just gonna bet on one of

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Speaker 1: the two teams, you would bet on the Jets, just

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Speaker 1: because I think he's vastly superior to Josh Allen. Though,

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Speaker 1: if you follow Carson Palmer's brother Jordan's that works with

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Speaker 1: all these guys, Sam Donald and Josh Allen, who you know.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons that people love Josh despite his

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Speaker 1: film sucking was he because a great kid. Well, Sam's

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Speaker 1: a high character. They're like best friends I have. I'm

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Speaker 1: rooting for Josh Allen even though I did not like

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Speaker 1: him as a prospect. He's a type kid you root

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Speaker 1: for and like regardless of what you do. Let alone,

588
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Speaker 1: wh you're a quarterback, He's the type guy you want

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Speaker 1: to see succeeds. Just he's a high level, good guy.

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Speaker 1: So I Jets playoffs this year. It it feels like

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Speaker 1: it would be a pretty big stretch, just based on

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Speaker 1: they got a long way to go. I saw Adam

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Speaker 1: Gay says they're gonna run a three or four defense.

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Speaker 1: Greg Williams has consistently been a four three guy, so

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be some transition there. Though the talent I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I I would bet against the Jets making

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Speaker 1: the playoffs next year. I would actually say if somehow

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen Cake can step by, I kind of like

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Speaker 1: the Bills. With the Colts cap room and four draft

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Speaker 1: picks in the top sixty, would you consider trying to

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Speaker 1: get a defensive free agent to help. Maybe someone like

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Speaker 1: Landing Collins or Clayton Gathers walks this offseason. Let me see,

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Speaker 1: Oh if Clayton Gethers walks this, obviously I follow you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: To me, the land of Collins thing that the key is,

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Speaker 1: are you comfortable with his limitations? He's not to cover guy.

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Speaker 1: He's basically like the new age hybrid linebacker. He can

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Speaker 1: get exposed in space. Now if you can use them

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Speaker 1: like Cam Chancellor and a couple of years ago with

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Speaker 1: the Giants when they had that unreal defense and they

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Speaker 1: had the good cover corners, and Genorris Jenkins was bawling,

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Speaker 1: then you be in pretty good shape. But if you

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Speaker 1: expect him to be something he's not. When you buy

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Speaker 1: players in free agency, they're not like the draft, you

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Speaker 1: can't expect them to change. Now, Atlanta Collins is still

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Speaker 1: relatively young. I would imagine he's twenty six years old

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Speaker 1: because he came out early. Remember he was the guy

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Speaker 1: that when he committed to Alabama, his mom was piste

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Speaker 1: off because he was from Louisiana. He was supposed to

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Speaker 1: go to l s U. I like landing Collins. I

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Speaker 1: just think my defensive coach would have to know and

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Speaker 1: be comfortable with what he's good at. So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't mind it. I would just have to know that

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Speaker 1: my coaching staff and Uber Fluce are okay with it. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Colts, to me, their offense is gonna be good

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Speaker 1: because luck elevates guys. Their offensive line clearly took a

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Speaker 1: big step. Eric Hebron looks like a really good player.

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Speaker 1: T Y is still really good. I would imagine they'll

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Speaker 1: draft a corps or draft a wide receiver, you know,

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Speaker 1: to go with Doyle's coming back from injury, so that

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Speaker 1: they got some weapons. Uh kind of under the radar,

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Speaker 1: no one really talks about. They'll be fine. It's defense, defense, defense,

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Speaker 1: if their defense plays well, because look at the in

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Speaker 1: the division. Deshaun Deshaun I was calling DeShawn Jackson, Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Watson is excellent. But that team, you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: big time defensive team. Their fronts awesome. They've had pretty

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Speaker 1: good corners over the years in the Texans. The Titans

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Speaker 1: defense has been very, very solid. The Jacksonville fell off

638
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: a cliff this year, but I mean when they were

639
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: really good two years ago, they were awesome on defense.

640
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: So being good on defense in that division does matter.

641
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: Even in Peyton mannings hey day when their defense wasn't

642
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: great statistically, what did they do really well? They rushed

643
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: the passer. So they just have to improve. They don't

644
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: have the blue Chippers. That was the one thing when

645
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning in his heyday, Dallas Clark, Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison,

646
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: Pierre Garson, Austin Colleye. They had so many guys cycling

647
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: through the running backs a die starting with Edwin James.

648
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: They were Rhodes was a good player. I thought he

649
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: could have won the MVP of that Super Bowl, but

650
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: they offensive weaponry when you have Peyton and then luck

651
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: is not going to be the problem because those guys

652
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: are gonna make guys better. It's just defense. You gotta

653
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: get some blue Chippers. So whether it's signing him Landon Collins,

654
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be opposed to another Colts question. The Cults

655
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: are young and talented and on their way back. Uh.

656
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: I guess this kind of what I just talked about.

657
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: But the premise of this question is are they legitimate

658
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 1: Super Bowl contenders in years to come? I I don't

659
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: know how you would say anything otherwise. They have when

660
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: he's right, you know, besides maybe Mahomes, you know of

661
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: anyone thirty one or thirty two or younger the best

662
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league in luck with the offensive line

663
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: being good. When you have a player of lux caliber

664
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Speaker 1: and your offensive line is good, how are you gonna lose?

665
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: You was crazy When you look back at the the

666
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: Colts in their heyday with Manning, their offensive line was

667
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: never that good. Howard Mud was such a good offensive

668
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: line coach and I worked with him for a year

669
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: maybe it was two in Philly. Dude was like a

670
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: mad scientist for an old guy. It's just so good

671
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: at getting random undrafted free agents to overachieve. Say what

672
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: you want about the Patriots, They've consistently had some pretty

673
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: good offensive lineman over the years. I mean their offensive

674
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: line this year was excellent, was really really good. They

675
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: traded for Trent Brown, who a year ago I went

676
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: to Denver Broncos and forty Niners to joint practice Von Miller,

677
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: who was just coming off two years ago the Super Bowl.

678
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: M v P called Trent Brown the best right tackle

679
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: in the NFL. So that's just the random guy they

680
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: replaced our first rounder with. Tom Brady had played on

681
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: dramatically better offensive lines. So my point is that if

682
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: your offensive line is good and you have a guy

683
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: with lux caliber, you're gonna be in the super Bowl mix. Now,

684
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: is Frank Rich? You know, Bill, I'll check no. But

685
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 1: the division is a little harder. The division is hard.

686
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: The the an f C South is good. The Texans

687
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: are good. I think Bill o Brian's good. You know,

688
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: the Jaguars, let's just say they're the worst team, and

689
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: then the Titans are solid. Again. I don't know if

690
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: the Titans are ever gonna be a thirteen twelve type

691
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: win team, but they'll be in that eight to ten range.

692
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: And if Mariota can just stay on the field that

693
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: they are paining the ask to deal with. So them

694
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: getting there is gonna be is gonna be impressive. It's

695
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: gonna be hard, but yeah, I think if they have

696
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: a good offseason and have a good draft, they'll be

697
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: right in the mix. Okay uh. Firstly, with the release

698
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: of Crab Treat and John Brown a free agent, please

699
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: tell me Baltimore will find it true young number one

700
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: receiver for Lamar if so? Who is this guy? Secondly,

701
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: I've heard it a million times, Lamar Jackson needs to

702
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: improved on his passing ability. Do you really think he

703
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: can become a consistent two d fifty passing yards per game? Guy?

704
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: Does he have it? Let's start there, two or three

705
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: yards a game? I would imagine if we check the averages.

706
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it because it will slow

707
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: us down. But if you're averaging two fifty yards of game,

708
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: even if you're a runner, that's pretty low. Now if

709
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: you're an explosive passer slash runner. If you check Kaepernick's

710
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: in Pete Kaepernick, he was not throwing that many games

711
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: for three hundred plus it would be between two fifty

712
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: and three hundred. But he also had a rushing touchdown

713
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: and two of us his passes would be deep bombs.

714
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: So if you have explosive plays, which Kaepernick was fantastic

715
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: the one year with r G three it was fantastic,

716
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: you can get by Russell Wilson back in the day.

717
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: They hit some big plays. Right now, Lamar, I mean,

718
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: they're running the triple option, So who who are they?

719
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: You know, who's gonna be there? Number one option? Could

720
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: they draft a wide receiver in the first round. I

721
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: guess that would be an option. You check out the

722
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: the free agents, they aren't really there. Crabtreet clearly was

723
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: not a great mix. Having been around Crafty a little

724
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: bit and just watched his career closely, I can't imagine

725
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: he enjoyed. He didn't like playing with Kaevernick, No chance

726
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: he like playing with Lamar Jackson and a seven million.

727
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,479
Speaker 1: He didn't make any sense to me, And I've heard

728
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: people some rumble about this. Would it makes sense to

729
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: just go all in on the run game, get like

730
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: Levan Bell and just run the triple option or whatever

731
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: the hell you call that offense With Levan Bell and

732
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: then maybe drafted running back in the mid rounds two

733
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: while also drafting I don't know d DK Metcalf or

734
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: nikkil Harry or whatever in the first round because their

735
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: first round pick they were a playoff team. So it's

736
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: not like they're drafting the top ten. But they they

737
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: missed right on the last receiver they took, so you

738
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: you gotta nail this one. This is a big draft,

739
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: Assie knew some consultant now not not actually the GM.

740
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm not a Lamar believer, just because I think the

741
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: straw eyes he has to make are just so long,

742
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 1: and so why he's got so far to go. It's

743
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: not like, you know what, he just gotta work on

744
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: the mechanics a little bit. He's just naturally not a

745
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: very accurate guy. Not only not accurate, is not really close.

746
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: Just the basic stuff. And I'm not Bill Walsh or

747
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: Mike Holmgren or Belichick. I'm not sure that stuff can

748
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: be taught. Man, I'm really not. What did the Packers

749
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: do with Nick Perry? He's not worth twelve and a

750
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: half million and can never stay healthy, but the Packers

751
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: are weak and outside linebacker. Do they cut him and

752
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: let him walk or do they just ask him and

753
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: take a pay cut. I think he asked him to

754
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: take a pay cut immediately. I would guess. I haven't

755
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: read anything, but they kind of insinuated it. At the

756
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: end of the season. Clay Matthews has probably done. Now

757
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: could he come back at a super super cheap number

758
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: that that's always on the table. You can't pay Nick

759
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: Perry twelve and a half million dollars, but he is

760
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: pretty talented. You did draft him once upon time really high.

761
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: Could you try to justify him taking a big pay cut.

762
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: I think the problem with the pay cut guys for

763
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: just talented players that even if they're often injured. Ziggy

764
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: Anza a little different story than Nick Perry, but you

765
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying. There's so much money on the

766
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: free agent market, you'd be like, yeah, I'm not taking

767
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: a pay cut cut me. I'll get paid. I'll get overpaid.

768
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: So if I'm a player that has any resume, when

769
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: the guy says take a pay cut, or he tells

770
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: my representative that over the next couple of days of

771
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: the combine or in the next week leading up to

772
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: free agency, and I have a resume, I say no,

773
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: I say cut me because I'll make it back easily.

774
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: On the free agent market, there's just too many there's

775
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: too many teams with money, and they're not enough good players.

776
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: So the Nick Perry's the whoever's Collecchio, assembly's one with

777
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: the Raiders. He's owed like ten million dollars next year.

778
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: You can't pay him that. But if they asked him

779
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: to take a pay cut a little six, he's okay.

780
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: Cut me. Someone will give me at least two years

781
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: twenty million. I think that's gonna be a lot of

782
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: a problem for any smart agent called her bluff because

783
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: there is just too much cash on the open market

784
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: to get your client. God, I'd be a pretty good agent.

785
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: I got another colts questions, see if it's any different

786
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: than what I already asked? What are the chances he's traded?

787
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: This is season's second round pick. Ballard said he's blown

788
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: away by the offer. Think a second round pick would do? Okay,

789
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: let me reread this. What are the chances he's traded

790
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: this offseason? For? Say? We all know, I think you

791
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: left out the player that he's traded for a second

792
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: round pick? You mean t hy You just said, what

793
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: are the chances he's traded. I don't know who he is,

794
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: but re send me the question and I'll try to

795
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: answer it. I know guys like Chris Ballard they value

796
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: draft picks. Just look at last year. He went from

797
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: three to six, one of the best trades. It was

798
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: clear it was a good trade at the time of

799
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: the trade. Looked way better when he got Darius Leonard.

800
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Speaker 1: And I didn't like Quentin Nelson, not as a player,

801
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: but at number six overall. But if you're gonna be

802
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: an all pro, shut me up. You shut up all

803
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: the haters and say you take a guard at six? Yeah,

804
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: I do. When he's the best guard in the league.

805
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: Then what are you gonna say? As a Patriot fan

806
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: that lives in Pittsburgh? Kind of tough. It's always interesting

807
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: for me to contrast the two organizations. The Patriots are

808
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: low on talent Brady donalthstanding, but incredibly high on accountability

809
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: and discipline, while the Steelers are high on talent and

810
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: low on accountability to discipline. It's a deep question. In

811
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: your opinion, is talent or accountability slash discipline more important

812
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: in generating championship teams? Is there some middle ground there?

813
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: And why are teams chasing the next Sean McVeigh rather

814
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: than the next Bill Belichick. Well, I just Bill Belichick's

815
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: an all time outlier. I think it's really that simple.

816
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: He he is just a unique coach. I don't necessarily

817
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: think the Patriots get this kind of you know, reputation

818
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: for overachievers, and they do consistently have some overachievers. They've

819
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: also had some Hall of famers on some really good teams.

820
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: I mean, Randy Moss, Hall of Famer, he was now

821
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: he never won a super Bowl. Logan Mankins borderline Hall

822
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: of Famer. Again, never won a super Bowl. But they

823
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: had some pretty good players when they were kicking ass.

824
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: Let's just view this group of players, Brady Grays quarterback,

825
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: Ever Gronk, first ballot Hall of Famer. I'll argue with

826
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: anyone on that one. Uh. Defensively, the Belichick is so

827
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: good and they they really haven't been that good on defense,

828
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, over the last five or six years with Patricia.

829
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: This year they were good, but they really you know,

830
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: two years ago when they lost the Eagles, they got

831
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: sliced and diced. Uh. Edelman, he's not a Hall of Famer,

832
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: but he's a damn good player, they have a great kicker.

833
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: They're always coached up at the highest level. You can

834
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: win a championship with Levian Bell and Antonio Brown and

835
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: Big Band and Jusual and all those guys. To me,

836
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: their problem has always it was never offense. Remember the

837
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: game we watched two years ago against Jacksonville, eg Wires.

838
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: They couldn't stop anyone it. To me, it's just fundamentals.

839
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: And in big games. The difference between Belichick and the

840
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: Steelers is they just get stops, just comat when they

841
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: really have to, they can get off the field. To me,

842
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: that's been the difference of the two teams. Pittsburgh. If

843
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: they would have been consistent on defense in playoff games,

844
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: someone's blown me up in playoff games and just get

845
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: off the they would have won that Jacksonville game. That

846
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: there was a moment that sticks out in my mind.

847
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: I remember sitting on my couch. They were making this

848
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: crazy comeback. Ben hits a couple of sweet shots to

849
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown. They couldn't get a stop to save their life.

850
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: And the Patriots besides in sometimes in the Super Bowl.

851
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: I can live without getting to stop in the Super Bowl,

852
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: but I can't live with not getting to stop in

853
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: the second round of the playoffs because to me, over

854
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: the last five or six years, and it came to

855
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: a head two years ago when they played each other

856
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: and Tomlin was to me pumping out his chest two

857
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: years ago. It was ridiculous when Tom was like, yeah,

858
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: we're already looking forward to them, and then they end

859
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: up losing in the second round of the Jacksonville Jaguars.

860
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: To me, that was a big difference. So you do

861
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: need talent to win. You need elite players to win,

862
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: and you need overachievers. You need a team to win,

863
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: but you also need high level schematics in the biggest

864
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: moments because everyone in the playoffs have good players, and

865
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: I think sometimes the Patriots get undersold a little bit

866
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: on that. I mean, Gilmore was the first team All

867
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: Pro this year, First Team All Pro. Devin mccordy is

868
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: a damn good player, high tower, really good player, Trey

869
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: Flowers good player. I mean, they got good players and

870
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: a first team All Pro. So I don't think the

871
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: gap is quite as wide is And I'm I'm guilty

872
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: of this too as we just casually talk about all

873
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: the Steelers man in the last couple of years. No,

874
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: they just the game where Jesse James got you know whatever,

875
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: they called the incomplete That was a freakish loss. But

876
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: does anyone believe in a big game in Pittsburgh or

877
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: New England that Tomlins out coaching Belichick? Like I do

878
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: believe that Big Band when he's on could beat any

879
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: quarterback in the history of the NFL. I do not

880
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: believe though, that Tomblin and his staff on defense when

881
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: it really comes to nut cutting time back in their

882
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: heyday when Tomlin was winning Big seven eight years ago,

883
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: didn't they have that guy named Dick lebo It felt

884
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: like they could get off the field and it doesn't.

885
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: That to me, that's the difference. And if you if

886
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: Belichick would have taken the reins from Patricia a couple

887
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: of years ago, maybe maybe they would have had how

888
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: many championships would that have been in a row? Three?

889
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: Because they went in Atlanta, lost a Philly and then

890
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: they just won this one. So they won two and

891
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: three years. They could have easily won three straight. They

892
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: could have had on their resume three straight and another

893
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: three and four years. Being like the Warriors meet the Lakers.

894
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: I got a lot of questions here. It feels like

895
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, when you're doing a school project, you're like,

896
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, just bang out all the reading, and then

897
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: you get to page twenty and you're like, oh my god,

898
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: I gotta read a hundred and fifty pages to night

899
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: and I'm only on twenty. How am I gonna do this? Well,

900
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, the student would usually just quit. I just

901
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it. Maybe go to cliff notes. But if

902
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: I say I'm gonna do the DM, I'm gonna do them. Hey,

903
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: quick question. Is Lebron starting to remind you of Aaron Rodgers?

904
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: The bad attitude feels like he's got to foot out

905
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: the door. Yeah. The Lebron Aaron Rodgers comparisons to me

906
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: are a little different. I think Aaron's weird, you know.

907
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: I think he's just a different cat. But I also

908
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: think that football means a lot to him, and and

909
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: he plays really hard and he's a good teammate when

910
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: the game's going on. Lebron's at the point now where

911
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: he's not even trying. Now. Lebron has three championships, Aaron's

912
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: got one. And the other thing is Aaron I gotta

913
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: I got a new iPad and I don't know how

914
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: to silence the buzzer part of Aaron's legacy. If you're

915
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: gonna be known as the most talented quarterback ever, and

916
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: he's kind of got this l Way vive like he's

917
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: just one of the freak talents of all time. What

918
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: the end of the day? Elway got to five super

919
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: Bowls and one too, like Aaron. You're not sniffing that

920
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: right now. You've been to one buddy one. These next

921
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: three or four years for Aaron Rodgers, I can't even

922
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: put Aaron Rodgers and I'm Lebron's wearing me out, but

923
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: I can't even put them in the same sence. Right now.

924
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: Aaron's got to do something. He's gotta He's got to

925
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: really do something in these next four or five years.

926
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: And it might shitty for him that he's got this

927
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 1: coach that might be over his head now. A couple

928
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: of years ago, I won't forget it. He was awesome.

929
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: What was that Dax rookie year when they won two

930
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: straight playoff games? They ran into Atlanta and their defense

931
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: was bad. That was an impressive year. And I think

932
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: Aaron's the top six or seven quarterback ever. But he

933
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: should be talking, you know, right behind Brady right in

934
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: that mix. If he can win another championship. I do

935
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: think we talked about him like Elway, though How's he

936
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: gonna win that other championship? I don't know. Uh, this

937
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: is a crazy long question. I'm have to get to

938
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: this one later. Aside from your Odell Beckham trade scenario

939
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: you discussed on Haberman, that's my that's my other podcast

940
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: Haberman and Milkoff. Check it out iTunes, which I didn't

941
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: like it first, but I'm now on board with would

942
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: you pay big money for Tray Flowers if New England

943
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: lets him walk? This question is in regards to the

944
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: forty Niners. I'd have to really study Tray Flowers as

945
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: a player. But when I've watched and I watched New

946
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: England a lot, but I'm not locked in on him.

947
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: To me, I don't know if he's a great scheme

948
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: fit the four three they already have, you know, with

949
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: Buckner and Solomon Thomas. They need a true true edge guy,

950
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, a twitchy, fast, explosive. I don't know if

951
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: that's Tray Flowers. To me, he's more of a hybrid

952
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: three four guy. Uh. And he's a good player, but

953
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: for the forty Niners. See, I don't know, especially what

954
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna cost because he's played at such a high level,

955
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: He's been in so many big games, he's gonna command

956
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: pretty big money. When I think Trey Flowers I do

957
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: not think of forty Niners fit. But again, I I'd

958
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: have to go and really study him or text someone

959
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: in the league, and maybe I'll do that this weekend

960
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: about like what his fit is. But to me, the

961
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: forty Niners, what they are looking for they have. I

962
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: saw I watched John Lynch's press conference today. He's like,

963
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: we got Buckner and Salomon tom is gonna play more inside.

964
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: We we got inside bodies. We need an edge rusher.

965
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: We need a Bosa. We need a Josh Allen. We

966
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: need I mean, that's why they try to trade for

967
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack. We need that. We we got inside pressure. Now,

968
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: Trey Flowers is a edge rusher, but I need a

969
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: guy that can bend the edge. That I mean is

970
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: a speed rusher. I mean ideally a von Miller type.

971
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: Now that's of course ideally Von freaking Miller. But they

972
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: do have the second overall pick. So either Josh Allen

973
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: or Bosa, one of those two guys, gotta be the

974
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: guy with our top the Falcons question for you, Okay,

975
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: I like it with our top need being an elite

976
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: edge rusher. A lot of people need edge rushers, and

977
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: I thought John Lynch I saw him with Colin today.

978
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: He had a good point. He's like me, He's like,

979
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I need an edge rusher. Every team needs

980
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: an edge rusher. When I played in the NFL in

981
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: one Super Bowl, we had Simeon Rice and in Warren Sapp.

982
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: Now Warren Stap's on an edge rusher, but just rushers.

983
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: People want defensive lineman. You could never have enough defensive

984
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: lineman ever with Adrian Claiborne. With the loss of Adrian Claiborne,

985
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: do you see any chance we trade up from fourteen

986
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: to be able to draft Josh Allen from UK. He's tall, athletic,

987
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 1: gets after the quarterback, and cancover. I think he would

988
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: be a perfect fit in d Q system. Agree, it

989
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: would be almost the equivalent if somehow he fell to

990
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: four or five you trade up from fourteen. Kind of

991
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: the equivalent of what the Saints did last year. Different numbers, obviously,

992
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: you be going from fourteen to like five. They went

993
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: from mid twenties. I think to fourteen with the Packers,

994
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: but they thought Marcus Davenport was a missing peace. Turned

995
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: out he wasn't. But that's what I'm trying to parallel

996
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: those situations. The more I think about it, and I'm

997
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: interested to watch this guy work out. I think Josh

998
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: Allen might go to to the forty Niners. Read a

999
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: story about him. I actually might have been a tweet.

1000
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: I I read more tweets than I do stories, and

1001
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: the tweet was he could have gone out, he could

1002
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: have called pro. Last year. He was like a fringe,

1003
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: you know, probably early second round pick, but he had

1004
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 1: a kid and he stayed at Kentucky. He came back

1005
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: to school. Well what do you do this? You're seventeen sacks.

1006
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: He's a can't miss, potential top five pick, and he's

1007
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,959
Speaker 1: a high character guy. Like I'm telling you right now,

1008
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: just knowing the way the Niners think, I think the

1009
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: forty Niners are more likely to take Josh Allen than

1010
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: they are both if they're both sitting there too. Because

1011
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray or Haskins goes one. That that's my gear

1012
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: right now, that's my way too early prediction that the

1013
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: forty Niners take Josh Allen over Bosa. You heard it

1014
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: here first. That's that. That's my bold prediction. As we

1015
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: sit here February. So when's the draft? Usually April. We're

1016
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: about two months away, so two months ago, I think

1017
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: Josh Allen goes to So I like your idea. I

1018
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: I just I don't think he makes the past a

1019
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: second pick. Let's find some question juns we Hey, how

1020
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: are you from a babe? Okay? Last one big fan

1021
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: of the podcast in a Seahawks fan. I was wondering

1022
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: if the NFL has any rules of stopping Shakim Griffin

1023
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: from using a prosthetic camp, especially with the technological advances

1024
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: in robotic prosthetics. Is a deep question or would this

1025
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: be considered of having an unfair advantage. That's a hell

1026
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: of a question that I don't have a great answer to.

1027
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: I just my gut reaction. If they made the technology

1028
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: that made it the equivalent of a normal hand, you know,

1029
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: not like robo cop or terminator, basically like a like

1030
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: super strong hand where he could just grab people and

1031
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: pull down, I think you'd have to entertain it. If

1032
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: it was just the equivalent, you'd have the power but

1033
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: if I was him, I'd want a hand that was

1034
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: extra powerful, so if I grabbed you, you just couldn't

1035
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: break it. And I don't know how they would regulate that. Again,

1036
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: I know nothing about this, and I'm the wrong guy

1037
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: to ask. My gut reaction when I just read your

1038
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: question first would be no, that they would just they

1039
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: would not want to do that, so that that that

1040
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: would be my first reaction. But in fairness to him,

1041
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: he's hell, he carved out a career without without a hand.

1042
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: That's that's pretty incredible. I think it's fair to say, uh,

1043
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: thanks for listening everyone, Another Middlecoff mail bag. I'm gonna

1044
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: start answering all you guys questions. Thanks for everything, Thanks

1045
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: for listening, and I'll be back Tuesday and we'll break down.

1046
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: I got it all. D v R can't wait. Combine, combine,

1047
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: and then a little born combine