Speaker 1: That's that kind of Pavement dude, the slacker guy. What's
Speaker 1: he going to talk about?
Speaker 2: Stephen Malkmus is of course famous for being a Whole
Speaker 2: City football fan, but he's also a musician who has
Speaker 2: played in bands including Pavement, The Silver Jews, and Stephen
Speaker 2: Malkmus and the Jicks. Earlier this year, he also released
Speaker 2: a solo album under his own name called Groove Denied,
Speaker 2: which for the first time sees him move away from
Speaker 2: guitar led indie rock and more into electronic music. It's
Speaker 2: a record he puts together using the Ableton software program.
Speaker 2: I recorded this episode with Stephen a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: ago in a hotel room that was about the size
Speaker 2: of a double bed, and on that bed we sat
Speaker 2: and spoke mainly about films, but there's also a bit
Speaker 2: of Pavement chat coming up later for everyone who's a
Speaker 2: Pavement fan and listening. And just one word of warning
Speaker 2: before we get going, if you are operating heavy machinery,
Speaker 2: please stop for the next thirty minutes or so. This
Speaker 2: is a very relaxed conversation with Steven, which falls in
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Speaker 2: the last time I saw you play was earlier this
Speaker 2: year prima Verra Sound. The same day that you played,
Speaker 2: which I think was on the first day of the
Speaker 2: festival actually, but earlier that day in the morning, I
Speaker 2: came and watched your talk about film sound oh good
Speaker 2: about music in films.
Speaker 1: And stuff that someone got to see that you.
Speaker 2: Had some wild choices in there. This to explain to
Speaker 2: anyone listening says that that might not know that you
Speaker 2: had to pick ten moments of music in film. There
Speaker 2: were some left field choices in there. The one that
Speaker 2: sticks out for me was that clip of Hulk Hogan
Speaker 2: playing a guitar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like yeah with Obama or something dancing with Ellen. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'll put a link to this under this podcast if
Speaker 2: people can see that it's a visual treat. Did you
Speaker 2: get the feeling that they were expecting more mainstream choices
Speaker 2: from you?
Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean, I know how that is. It's not
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not of course, I was maybe signaling
Speaker 1: that that that, you know, I was not gonna play
Speaker 1: that game or something, you know, But like really it's
Speaker 1: I think we all know a lot of these I
Speaker 1: wasn't there to just like completely be in a community
Speaker 1: and like watch I don't know, a Marconi movie or
Speaker 1: pulp fiction or something that you know, like or you know, say,
Speaker 1: you know, these certain classic things that we already know,
Speaker 1: you know, like are shared memory of that. You know.
Speaker 1: When given an opportunity to do something like that, it's
Speaker 1: I want to expand and show people's stuff they haven't seen.
Speaker 1: And also so I did show some movies that I
Speaker 1: quite like, and yeah, yeah that's what Peter Fond had
Speaker 1: just died recently too, his movie after Easy Writer. It's
Speaker 1: a great movie. And like Mickey wants Arthur Penn, I
Speaker 1: did Bonnie and Clyde's like as one of his first movies.
Speaker 1: And but yeah, you know, media, I was just taking
Speaker 1: other expanding the idea of you know, just not only
Speaker 1: kind of classic high budget movies. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of we consume a lot of low We get
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff from YouTube, you know, like these days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like your choices. You chose some good of good.
Speaker 2: Arka does this really well as well, but certainly better
Speaker 2: than we do here in the UK. Of TV movies,
Speaker 2: that's true.
Speaker 1: There was the one you showed of, like the kids
Speaker 1: teenage Shoplifter. Yeah, that was specifically really resonates with me
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm from born in sixty six, so like
Speaker 1: that time seventy seven to eighty two was I would
Speaker 1: say it was the golden age of TV movies or something,
Speaker 1: and it was like a time when they would show
Speaker 1: kids would only get to watch TV or watch a
Speaker 1: movie on TV on a Sunday morning or Sunday afternoon. Right,
Speaker 1: it'd be like a and they met, they were messaging almost.
Speaker 1: It's almost like it could show them in school too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, quite educational. Yeah, it was like, have you always
Speaker 2: been a film guy because you were born in la
Speaker 2: and do you think like having I know, you moved
Speaker 2: away when you were a year, sold out of the city,
Speaker 2: but having been born in that that mecha of obviously
Speaker 2: entertainment and movies. Does that instill something in you to
Speaker 2: love movies? Do you think?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Paradoxically, sorry to disagree the my dad,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's very He's from that region for
Speaker 1: multiple generations, like pre Hollywood, and it wasn't that they
Speaker 1: were against what became Hollywood or but it's sort of oblivious.
Speaker 1: They sort of existed in a world of bankers and
Speaker 1: insurance agents and real estate developers and not artistic people.
Speaker 1: I think he had one friend at his college high
Speaker 1: school who went to work in Hollywood out of like
Speaker 1: fifty you know, like everyone else went into just traditional
Speaker 1: mad Men style era. I mean mad he was a
Speaker 1: madman guy, was a creative person, but you know these
Speaker 1: kind of jobs were as martinis and secretaries or something
Speaker 1: to paraphrase. So I think, just like you, you know,
Speaker 1: my experience of this stuff is really I never got
Speaker 1: obsessed with movies. I would say, you know, I just yeah,
Speaker 1: respected when I went through older you know, I want
Speaker 1: to learn about like great artists and stuff, and but
Speaker 1: you know, also was in the total trash of Porky's
Speaker 1: and just things aimed at me, Caddy Shack movies like that,
Speaker 1: Stripes Bill Murray, just just you know, stuff that's aimed
Speaker 1: at people like me, Like you did some work on
Speaker 1: the Bob Dylan film. Yeah, there was a movie by
Speaker 1: Todd Haynes, a really cool director in a friend of
Speaker 1: mine who lives in Portland part time, called I'm Not
Speaker 1: There about Bob Dylan, and he got a bunch of
Speaker 1: people to say, current artists like Jim James from My
Speaker 1: Morning Jacket, and there were others just blanking, but he
Speaker 1: got he was He had me do a ballad of
Speaker 1: a thin man or it was his idea, which is
Speaker 1: one of Bob's, my good friend Bob's classic songs, you know,
Speaker 1: Bobby's great, amazing songs. I couldn't believe it, you know really,
Speaker 1: I was like, holy s h I t I can't
Speaker 1: not worthy. And then the movie got made and then
Speaker 1: Kate Blanchett, who's like super talented, she lip sync along
Speaker 1: to my voice in the movie and that was sorry,
Speaker 1: that was really quite quite incredible for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, has there been any other movie work? I know
Speaker 2: you were so sad not really liked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did it sound track music for the show
Speaker 1: featuring a comedian named Will Arnett.
Speaker 2: I loved that show. It was like a net fix.
Speaker 2: It ran for two series.
Speaker 1: That's nice that you watched. It did not take the
Speaker 1: world by storm in terms of the streaming numbers, But
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it was maybe just not wrong
Speaker 1: time for that kind of show. And but it.
Speaker 2: Looked nice because it was set in all of those
Speaker 2: Waterway's eventage.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and the cinematographer was good, and the music
Speaker 1: was amazing.
Speaker 2: The music the music felt could have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I have done There's I got a friend
Speaker 1: of mine's making a movie, has made a movie. Her
Speaker 1: name's Kelly Reiker. She's made some movies like Certain Women.
Speaker 1: One of them is called and also Old Joy, featuring
Speaker 1: Will Oldham from the Palace Brothers and Bonnie Prince Billy.
Speaker 1: He was the star of it. And a couple of
Speaker 1: other ones with Michelle Williams, one called Wendy and Lucy.
Speaker 1: But she's made a new movie just it's coming out
Speaker 1: this next year, and I'm playing fiddle in it. I
Speaker 1: don't have any lines, but you're on screen. I'm actually
Speaker 1: on screen.
Speaker 2: In that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm playing fiddle on my lower arm, dressed like
Speaker 1: an eighteen thirties pioneer, you know in Oregon. So is it.
Speaker 2: Is it a period piece?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's period. Yeah, it's all completely period. Everything's supposedly
Speaker 1: period correct, except the actual people in it are not,
Speaker 1: because that would be impossible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be a fate to do that. Do
Speaker 2: you have any acting over experienced all ambition? Do you
Speaker 2: have any ambition?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, it's a big job,
Speaker 1: but it's like really putting yourself out there. It's enough
Speaker 1: to put yourself out with music and just being even
Speaker 1: doing a podcast and and doing promo photos, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's more. And when you see people that are working
Speaker 1: in it, like who they are hiring, I mean it's
Speaker 1: very specific what they want and it's very important. So
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't think that i'd be right for
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I'm talking at another next level tier.
Speaker 1: I mean a friend's doing a movie or something, I
Speaker 1: might do it. If we're just like on video cameras
Speaker 1: and the and the budgets like low. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that, but I've just seen hurt like
Speaker 1: Kelly go through these trying to cast people. It's like
Speaker 1: so important, you know, just seeing that who they they
Speaker 1: really want. It's not only if they're famous. That can
Speaker 1: be an issue too to get funding. You know, it's
Speaker 1: nice to get a big star to attract people to
Speaker 1: invest in your movie. But you know, it's just like
Speaker 1: this person has to be this person. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like the way they have to obsess over that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit like even in music, I'm like
Speaker 1: to throw this person on. I mean, I picked somebody,
Speaker 1: but I don't have to think about that much. The
Speaker 1: stakes are lower, Yeah, sure, the budgets are lower. And
Speaker 1: if I pick a fiddle someone to play a fiddle track,
Speaker 1: or even my drummer, you know, it's just like I
Speaker 1: just ram it in there and like let's see how
Speaker 1: it works. Yeah, And it's not like it's on film.
Speaker 1: You know, I guess the music. You should know right
Speaker 1: away if it's bad, but there's or not as good
Speaker 1: as it could be. But movies can go south, like easily.
Speaker 2: I watched it could. It's a documentary really about Terry
Speaker 2: Terry Gillion, he did Rezilians like that. Yeah, and he
Speaker 2: tried to make Don Quixote, and there's a documentary not
Speaker 2: basically about that failing about like it falling apart, and
Speaker 2: it was like the this cursed film. Yeah, I watched
Speaker 2: it recently. It's called The Last Man in May that
Speaker 2: it's really interesting and it's fascinating how quickly a whole
Speaker 2: film falls apart, Like basically that there's rainfall on the
Speaker 2: first day. Yeah, and it just sets this snowball of
Speaker 2: shit running on this production and it just has to
Speaker 2: By the end of the week, it's dead. Like years
Speaker 2: and years of work, it's just over because their budgets
Speaker 2: were so small and there's no room for that to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, quite quite shocking.
Speaker 1: It can be hard, I mean, and just things like
Speaker 1: tone and I mean other things that a movie can
Speaker 1: be made, and it can just be bad for like
Speaker 1: little reasons you know that aren't it's kind of magic
Speaker 1: when it all comes together.
Speaker 2: You're living back in Portland now, right, But there was
Speaker 2: a period of time when you were you guys went
Speaker 2: to Berlin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like twenty twelve to fourteen or something like that.
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly.
Speaker 2: When it was, but what made you choose Berlin?
Speaker 1: We want to move away from Portland because it's small
Speaker 1: town and a little bit repetitive, and it's awesome in
Speaker 1: its ways, but it's also my partner is a big
Speaker 1: city person, or she identifies as one, therefore she is,
Speaker 1: and we were just thinking where could we go? Could
Speaker 1: have been America, but I always liked it there in
Speaker 1: a way, and they make it relatively easy for you
Speaker 1: to get a visa to live there. There's some of
Speaker 1: that stuff too, And as we were just searching around
Speaker 1: for places a stage, she found one like a house
Speaker 1: that was easy to you know, I guess what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is I wasn't particularly obsessed with Germany, just looking
Speaker 1: for a place to go and seem pretty cool. It's
Speaker 1: not not deep.
Speaker 2: Did you go to many of the clubs? Did you
Speaker 2: get into that world at all?
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of my friend friend who is a younger guy,
Speaker 1: he's a DJ too. He and his wife they're called
Speaker 1: Local Suicide, and they had a night like every two
Speaker 1: months they would have their own night. But so I
Speaker 1: would go to their nights. I also go out with
Speaker 1: him sometimes like, and he was pretty in the know
Speaker 1: about stuff, and so that was good. It was nice
Speaker 1: to have a guide because I wouldn't looking resident advisor
Speaker 1: or something and kind of see what's going on on
Speaker 1: the but I wouldn't really might not have taken the effort.
Speaker 1: I also probably wouldn't wait in line or something. You know,
Speaker 1: he would usually get going right, Okay, sorry to say.
Speaker 2: Was it Were you new to that world though, like
Speaker 2: in terms of like electronic music and clubbing and going clubbing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I listened to stuff that kind of clubbing,
Speaker 1: multi room off your head style late nights. Haven't done
Speaker 1: that much, kind of avoided it the nineties when pavement
Speaker 1: was over here during the ecstasy rave culture revolution. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I think I was. I mean, I
Speaker 1: was also up my own ass thinking about what I
Speaker 1: was doing. And in America it was all grunge and guitars,
Speaker 1: and here it was like a fusion of cool things
Speaker 1: going on, and I guess the yellow smiley faces. And
Speaker 1: I wasn't a big drug taker, so I kind of
Speaker 1: thought it was. I didn't think of its social ramifications.
Speaker 1: I just kind of just listened to it and it
Speaker 1: felt animal, kind of drug animal thing or like the
Speaker 1: intellectual side of it I couldn't. I couldn't get which
Speaker 1: I do now.
Speaker 2: Was it in Berlin where the new record Groove Denied started?
Speaker 2: Was that the genesis if the record comes.
Speaker 1: A little well a little bit I mean I listened
Speaker 1: to a lot of that music, but it was more
Speaker 1: for me was getting different software and hardware in my
Speaker 1: house and a little bit making that flaked soundtrack that
Speaker 1: we were talking about. Although they wanted, they didn't want,
Speaker 1: but I thought that it should be kind of melancholy
Speaker 1: guitar indie classic rock kind of went with that character.
Speaker 1: It got me to start recording myself more. And also
Speaker 1: a friend of mine gave me Ableton like in twenty
Speaker 1: twelve or something, but I didn't really interact with it.
Speaker 1: I just kind of messed around with it. And so
Speaker 1: once I started recording the bit on that and bouncing
Speaker 1: that back to pro tools back and forth, and well,
Speaker 1: just trying to record myself again like demos, which I
Speaker 1: have done demos, but I didn't try to make them
Speaker 1: into a final project.
Speaker 2: Earlier this year, you're on the cover of Wire magazine
Speaker 2: and there was a little column in there about you
Speaker 2: were talking about the YouTube tutorials that you'd watch about
Speaker 2: Ableton tutor oils. Yeah, to teach you that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: I love YouTube tutorials anyway. Yeah, I kind of use
Speaker 2: them for everything now, mean too, like if I want
Speaker 2: to put oil in my car.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The first thing I go to is YouTube for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I texted Dan on a rental car seeing if really,
Speaker 1: if you use a toilet plunger, does it work or not?
Speaker 1: That's a recent thing I did.
Speaker 2: Did it work?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Whether smile Dan, it does work?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Deeper Dan, no go.
Speaker 2: I always think that people that do those tutorials are
Speaker 2: good people because they're not doing it for anything other
Speaker 2: than to be useful, helpful to other people and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah do you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so?
Speaker 2: What would you if you were to upload a tutorial?
Speaker 2: What would be your what would you do one on?
Speaker 2: What would you be able to give gift to the internet?
Speaker 1: Right? Isn't that sad? Though I don't have anything I can, really,
Speaker 1: it seems like most people do it better already, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. That's the problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know if I wanted to, you.
Speaker 1: Know, of course I could do a tennis one, but
Speaker 1: it would be like for people up to my level
Speaker 1: or people, you know, it would be kind of limited
Speaker 1: to a person that got my sense of humor. And
Speaker 1: see the slight irony of me doing that, you know,
Speaker 1: because I'm already whether I I think I already have
Speaker 1: like people know me, so you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm just not like an average dude yet unfortunately.
Speaker 1: I mean I would be to millions of people, but
Speaker 1: the first people that went there, they would be like,
Speaker 1: what that's that kind of payment? Dude? The slacker guy,
Speaker 1: what's he going to talk about? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: What would you say to do a perfect surf? What
Speaker 2: would be your your tennis?
Speaker 1: I would just like struggles with the one handed backhand,
Speaker 1: you know, and like, don't give up on it. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you watch a lot of tennis and everyone does
Speaker 1: a two handed backhand, and I'd just be like, you know,
Speaker 1: the one handed backhands, graceful and stick with it.
Speaker 2: It looks good. I went to Wimbledon for the first time,
Speaker 2: he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good final this year with Fetter
Speaker 1: and joking. Yeah, yeah, exciting.
Speaker 2: I was there like the week before, like third round
Speaker 2: kind of matches. Have you been Have you been there?
Speaker 1: You've never been there. I just saw some video of
Speaker 1: like American Breakfast at Wimbledon. We call it because it's
Speaker 1: on really early and uh, just the fonts, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like graphics from nineteen eighty eight, and it kind
Speaker 1: of like gave me like a shiver, and it was like,
Speaker 1: you know TV graphics from the eighties or you don't
Speaker 1: like seeing that, Well, I like it, but it you know,
Speaker 1: it's you kind of it looks good, but it's not
Speaker 1: quite kitchy it. I lived through it too, some things
Speaker 1: that like a younger person can look at the eighties
Speaker 1: and just appropriate it. Ye, I just think it's cool.
Speaker 1: Or even the nineties, you know, like if you actually
Speaker 1: went through if you were like seventeen at that time
Speaker 1: and just either you just broken out, was something you
Speaker 1: didn't know who you were or you were you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of like takes you you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've started reshowing like a nostalgia show for the
Speaker 2: nineties here that was first on in like two thousand
Speaker 2: and four or something. Yeah, they've just start for some reason,
Speaker 2: they've just started putting that back on TV here. And
Speaker 2: I get what you mean because that's kind of my equivalent.
Speaker 1: Right you were were you like I was in nineteen Yeah.
Speaker 2: In ninety five, I would have been thirteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So do you reckon like nineties movies? Nineties is
Speaker 1: one of the best decades of movies. Would you say
Speaker 1: that this is just a test from a friend of
Speaker 1: mine who's similar age of yours. Who says yes, who
Speaker 1: says yes. He says, there's like ten classic movies. You
Speaker 1: know he'll do like The Terminator and stuff that too.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a video director, but he likes some
Speaker 1: you know, he's like, these are amazing things. I was like,
Speaker 1: why do you talk about Like, I'm like, seventies are
Speaker 1: the best movies?
Speaker 2: I would say, I would say no. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I would say that. I've got a fondness for
Speaker 2: those movies, but I think I can see them for
Speaker 2: being not not great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not like just out like yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: time like this amazing stuff was getting made.
Speaker 2: I think I think Terminator Too is something else. I
Speaker 2: think that's like another level, but a lot of it.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's aged very well. Oddly that like
Speaker 2: that thing you're saying about, like the graphics not being
Speaker 2: old enough to be kitched. Like if I if I
Speaker 2: see back to the Future, I'm kind of Star Wars. Yeah,
Speaker 2: for some reason, that's fine. That that almost looks newer
Speaker 2: and more high tech than Terminator Too. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean, that's true, Like I don't know why it shouldn't.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't at all because it's ten years older, but
Speaker 2: there is something in that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the memory is different. Back to the Future is
Speaker 1: like my friend, I haven't seen it lately. My friend
Speaker 1: said she saw it and it was like the worst movie.
Speaker 1: She couldn't believe that it got so but it Yeah,
Speaker 1: that it's I don't get my mind. I remember it
Speaker 1: being kind of funny, and you know, I see people
Speaker 1: wearing fuck effing Back to the Future t shirts now still,
Speaker 1: and like it has a pull on people. You know,
Speaker 1: that's like maybe blasphemy that I would say that to
Speaker 1: some people, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that and the Goonies. Yeah, that's enough what
Speaker 2: I felt. So, so your your kind of Golden Year films?
Speaker 2: So you think the seventies films are the best?
Speaker 1: I kind of think all things are best from the seventies,
Speaker 1: be it music or you know. So what h were
Speaker 1: you in ideas of feminine beauty?
Speaker 2: How old were you in seventy five?
Speaker 1: Eleven nine? Okay? But yeah, so I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, that was sixty six. I was so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do, I mean I do. I know more about
Speaker 1: the music, the movies and the music, and it I
Speaker 1: mean I like that production techniques and obviously there was
Speaker 1: a lot of ability to spend a lot of money.
Speaker 1: I mean I like how some new stuff sounds to
Speaker 1: the I mean, don't get me wrong, when I hear these,
Speaker 1: even like Drake or Kanye West productions, I mean they there,
Speaker 1: they come on and they're like very huge sounding in
Speaker 1: my car. Yeah, so someone knows what they're doing. Don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong. It's not like there hasn't been a
Speaker 1: it's just digital and this was back in the analog
Speaker 1: times and maybe a lot of time spent on arrangements.
Speaker 2: And do you have a record before from the seventies
Speaker 2: that you think sounds particularly good that you just love that?
Speaker 1: There's tons of them. I mean even the Rumors and
Speaker 1: Steely Dan. I mean there's that whole time. I mean
Speaker 1: these are the bigger, the Pink Floyds and led Zeppelins,
Speaker 1: those records are really good sounding.
Speaker 2: I think, have you seen anything good this year?
Speaker 1: I like the I mean I like the I just
Speaker 1: in terms of things I purely want to like and
Speaker 1: like our movies like Midsummer you know, I want that
Speaker 1: kind of movie to work, or Ben Wheatley or these
Speaker 1: kind of you know, new horror, things under the Skin,
Speaker 1: that kind of movie, like I like, sort of dystopian
Speaker 1: sci fi or horror without the torture porn. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what I kind of like, just for fun. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so that's what I'm on the lookout for. I'm always
Speaker 1: hoping that there'll be another classic, whether it's Rosemary's Baby, Exorcist, Worlds,
Speaker 1: it's something that I like, you know, I can't help it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun. So I hope for those kind of movies.
Speaker 1: I don't know what about you.
Speaker 2: You know, have you seen that film Eighth Grade?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw that. I like that, yeah, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 2: I thought Book Smart was amazed. Have you seen Books Smart?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Book Smart? Those are both and I like those
Speaker 1: kind of saw those both with my daughter. Actually, she
Speaker 1: wouldn't watch Eighth Grade because she was in eighth grade
Speaker 1: and it was yeah, too close. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: was just she just thought it was yeah, corny into
Speaker 1: what if it was if it was called something else,
Speaker 1: she would have seen it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: right right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I.
Speaker 1: Thought those were both really good.
Speaker 2: I thought the performance is the performance in eighth Grade
Speaker 2: of the main act. Yeah, act, I thought she was incredible. Yep,
Speaker 2: and book smart. I just thought it was just that
Speaker 2: was fun good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a little bit first world problems too again,
Speaker 1: but I still liked it. Yeah. There it was like
Speaker 1: a lark, but it was like gallivanting. I mean it
Speaker 1: was so unbelievable, which I sort of. I mean, the school,
Speaker 1: all of them going to Harvard, I mean it was
Speaker 1: a it was a satire obviously, you know, or whatever.
Speaker 1: So you know, it wasn't trying to be real. That
Speaker 1: gives it a pass for me, even almost, you know, like, man,
Speaker 1: we watched in the what was this movie? It was
Speaker 1: the nastiest movie. Ryan Philippe and the girl that played
Speaker 1: like Buffy the band player Slayer I think, and they're
Speaker 1: like two rich stepsister and brother. Yeah, that movie is
Speaker 1: the most vile movie. Like I get was it made
Speaker 1: when Portrait of the Serial Killer came out or.
Speaker 2: I think it was made, and I think that's one
Speaker 2: of those nineties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the set, the tone of that movie is
Speaker 1: just it's so mean and like, I just don't it
Speaker 1: could only be made at I guess at the height
Speaker 1: of supposed you know, internet stocks are booming and decadent,
Speaker 1: you know are because it was like, who am I
Speaker 1: supposed to like? Or you know, there's no one to
Speaker 1: like in it?
Speaker 2: As I say, last time I saw he was a
Speaker 2: Primavera playing and doing your talk about the films. And
Speaker 2: then at the end of Primavera, like three days after that,
Speaker 2: they obviously announced like the next year, which was the
Speaker 2: pavement stuff. Were you still on site when that was announced? Stuff?
Speaker 2: You were out? Youre well?
Speaker 1: But I knew they were going to do it and
Speaker 1: stuff because I was told not to tell anybody about
Speaker 1: it until that point.
Speaker 2: Did you manage to keep that to yourself?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It wasn't a tempting to not.
Speaker 1: Really, I mean told like a couple of people, but
Speaker 1: just tell them not to say anything. And it had
Speaker 1: been Yeah, there's just been some chatting about it with
Speaker 1: those promoters and our original agent in America that had
Speaker 1: been with us forever, and he just kind of put
Speaker 1: the steal together with them, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it just seemed like it'd be really fun thing to do.
Speaker 2: Because I was actually there ten years. It'll be ten years.
Speaker 2: It was a premium bear before, wasn't it, Like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we played there at ten that's true. Yeah, when you
Speaker 2: reformed the first time, I like that kind of every
Speaker 2: ten years Pavement could just get together and.
Speaker 1: That would be nice if it could work out that way.
Speaker 1: I don't know if all of us will be around
Speaker 1: for the next ten we're only like in our early fifties,
Speaker 1: but certainly nothing to count count on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was even a reason for me to
Speaker 1: I want to do it too, because like everyone was
Speaker 1: still like relatively fit. I mean, there's we're like wrinkled
Speaker 1: and gray and stuff, but ish and but I like
Speaker 1: to think where we you know, we still have some
Speaker 1: we're not too far gone. Yeah, sure for this kind
Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah, where you're just like old totally like
Speaker 1: you know, like baby boomers up there or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you know the studes yet No, So I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can do it and everybody's still can play, and
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, have you don't have like
Speaker 1: hip problems or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you guys got together yet to practice?
Speaker 1: Now we're going to do it in May before like
Speaker 1: for many weeks, for a couple of weeks to get
Speaker 1: ship our stuff together.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, sure, so we haven't done that, but nice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: looking forward, to already. Is it just going to be
Speaker 2: that show or is it going to be.
Speaker 1: Too Porto cool?
Speaker 2: That's all I'm done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just nice because that's just weird. So we're going
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 2: It's good to keep it weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, make it special. I mean it's expensive for people
Speaker 1: to come to I realize that, but it's not like
Speaker 1: I want to endorse this festival above all others. But
Speaker 1: I have had fun there. It has a diverse programming
Speaker 1: now that's you know, birth from the dudes being like
Speaker 1: indie rocker guys to expanding it to the way the
Speaker 1: world is now where.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought the lineup this year was really fun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they got quite I think they got some stick
Speaker 2: for it. They did that fifty to fifty gender split,
Speaker 2: which I thought was a great thing. Yeah, and a
Speaker 2: lot of kind of maybe traditional rockist dudes probably kind
Speaker 2: of gave them a hard time about the Miley Cyrus
Speaker 2: booking and Lizo and all of that stuff, But I
Speaker 2: thought it made it. I thought the atmosphere was incredible
Speaker 2: on the side.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's always a place for you to go
Speaker 1: if you're that Yeah, exactly, you could just stick quiet
Speaker 1: us reading rocker person or just Blur fan or something
Speaker 1: or whatever that meant then is between that modern rockist anyway.
Speaker 1: I think most of us are. Our tastes are like
Speaker 1: more diverse now anyway.
Speaker 2: So just like the lineup, So how's how's the new
Speaker 2: record been received? It feels like it's been received pretty well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a while since it came out, and
Speaker 1: like internet days, it's like been forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's ancient now, Catches.
Speaker 1: I didn't come out. Yeah, I didn't come out, and
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of stuff happen, so I'm kind
Speaker 1: of picking it back up again, you know, in a way.
Speaker 1: I did a tour in America and it went really
Speaker 1: pretty well. I thought I did a good job for
Speaker 1: not doing anything like this, you know, trying to offer
Speaker 1: up just not as a dude with a guitar, singer,
Speaker 1: songwriter solo show. Yeah, I think it. I mean, you
Speaker 1: have to play to your strengths. And I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: my strengths. I'm not like hanging out at clubs all
Speaker 1: the time or really messing with my dance loop modes,
Speaker 1: you know. So I mean I have to be honest.
Speaker 1: I'm good at guitar and not as good as that.
Speaker 2: But good enough. I think the records, you know, the
Speaker 2: records great. Does it feel like it's like just kind
Speaker 2: of as a record that steps away from what people
Speaker 2: know you for and having that kind of electronic element
Speaker 2: to it. Does it feel like having released it? Is
Speaker 2: that like a bit of a itch scratch now or
Speaker 2: are you I want to do it more of that?
Speaker 1: In a way. I think that's kind of the way
Speaker 1: to go these days, is the scratch? It is just
Speaker 1: don't I just don't want to keep doing the same thing,
Speaker 1: you know, It's like it's a point that I've done.
Speaker 1: I sometimes feel like I've wrestled a lot out of
Speaker 1: a more puritanical guitar, so like I just do it
Speaker 1: and people it's cool, but it just it's like more
Speaker 1: of the same or just refining the same thing. I'm
Speaker 1: just like I could do that. I don't want to
Speaker 1: like say it's all bad, but it seems like it's
Speaker 1: maybe a time to approach things from a different angle,
Speaker 1: not only in a mid life crisis type way, but
Speaker 1: in a way that is more reflective of the world
Speaker 1: the way it is now.
Speaker 2: You know, Stephen, thank you for coming on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Appreciate the pleasure
Speaker 2: Anyway, good Night,