WEBVTT - Ep 79: Stephen Malkmus, Pavement 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.840 That's that kind of Pavement dude, the slacker guy. What's 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:05.040 he going to talk about? 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.080 Stephen Malkmus is of course famous for being a Whole 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.280 City football fan, but he's also a musician who has 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.960 played in bands including Pavement, The Silver Jews, and Stephen 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:18.280 Malkmus and the Jicks. Earlier this year, he also released 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.160 a solo album under his own name called Groove Denied, 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.960 which for the first time sees him move away from 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:28.320 guitar led indie rock and more into electronic music. It's 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.960 a record he puts together using the Ableton software program. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.120 I recorded this episode with Stephen a couple of weeks 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.839 ago in a hotel room that was about the size 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.800 of a double bed, and on that bed we sat 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.479 and spoke mainly about films, but there's also a bit 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.960 of Pavement chat coming up later for everyone who's a 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.680 Pavement fan and listening. And just one word of warning 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:52.040 before we get going, if you are operating heavy machinery, 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.200 please stop for the next thirty minutes or so. This 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:59.440 is a very relaxed conversation with Steven, which falls in 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:01.400 line with every think that we love Mount Us for 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.040 and hopefully everything we endeavor to do here on this 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.039 late night podcast. If you do like what you hear, 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.440 please consider supporting this podcast by subscribing to Loud and 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.600 Quiet magazine. All the information is at Loud and Quiet 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.720 dot com forward slash subscribe, where we will post you 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.560 our next nine issues for as little as three pounds 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.000 a month. It helps us keep the magazine in print, 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:27.039 and it also helps us keep producing this podcast. So 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.400 the last time I saw you play was earlier this 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.520 year prima Verra Sound. The same day that you played, 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.040 which I think was on the first day of the 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:38.320 festival actually, but earlier that day in the morning, I 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:41.360 came and watched your talk about film sound oh good 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:43.319 about music in films. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:46.560 And stuff that someone got to see that you. 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.160 Had some wild choices in there. This to explain to 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.360 anyone listening says that that might not know that you 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:56.200 had to pick ten moments of music in film. There 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.320 were some left field choices in there. The one that 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.240 sticks out for me was that clip of Hulk Hogan 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:02.200 playing a guitar. 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:09.520 Yeah, I like yeah with Obama or something dancing with Ellen. Yeah. 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:11.560 I'll put a link to this under this podcast if 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.280 people can see that it's a visual treat. Did you 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:18.760 get the feeling that they were expecting more mainstream choices 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:19.079 from you? 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.640 Maybe, I mean, I know how that is. It's not 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.720 I mean I'm not of course, I was maybe signaling 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.280 that that that, you know, I was not gonna play 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.840 that game or something, you know, But like really it's 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.000 I think we all know a lot of these I 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:41.600 wasn't there to just like completely be in a community 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:45.399 and like watch I don't know, a Marconi movie or 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.720 pulp fiction or something that you know, like or you know, say, 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:54.520 you know, these certain classic things that we already know, 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:59.280 you know, like are shared memory of that. You know. 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.960 When given an opportunity to do something like that, it's 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:10.640 I want to expand and show people's stuff they haven't seen. 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.440 And also so I did show some movies that I 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:19.240 quite like, and yeah, yeah that's what Peter Fond had 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:25.000 just died recently too, his movie after Easy Writer. It's 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:28.840 a great movie. And like Mickey wants Arthur Penn, I 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.679 did Bonnie and Clyde's like as one of his first movies. 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:35.400 And but yeah, you know, media, I was just taking 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:40.880 other expanding the idea of you know, just not only 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:47.040 kind of classic high budget movies. You know, there's a 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:52.360 lot of we consume a lot of low We get 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.120 a lot of stuff from YouTube, you know, like these days. 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.960 Yeah, I like your choices. You chose some good of good. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.840 Arka does this really well as well, but certainly better 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.760 than we do here in the UK. Of TV movies, 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:06.520 that's true. 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:08.760 There was the one you showed of, like the kids 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:15.240 teenage Shoplifter. Yeah, that was specifically really resonates with me 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.880 because I'm I'm from born in sixty six, so like 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:23.320 that time seventy seven to eighty two was I would 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.760 say it was the golden age of TV movies or something, 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.039 and it was like a time when they would show 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.719 kids would only get to watch TV or watch a 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:37.680 movie on TV on a Sunday morning or Sunday afternoon. Right, 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:43.400 it'd be like a and they met, they were messaging almost. 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.520 It's almost like it could show them in school too. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:50.040 Yeah, quite educational. Yeah, it was like, have you always 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:54.159 been a film guy because you were born in la 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.719 and do you think like having I know, you moved 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.159 away when you were a year, sold out of the city, 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:06.120 but having been born in that that mecha of obviously 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.200 entertainment and movies. Does that instill something in you to 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:11.920 love movies? Do you think? 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:16.839 I don't think so. Paradoxically, sorry to disagree the my dad, 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:23.839 and you know, he's very He's from that region for 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:30.360 multiple generations, like pre Hollywood, and it wasn't that they 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:37.440 were against what became Hollywood or but it's sort of oblivious. 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:42.800 They sort of existed in a world of bankers and 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:48.200 insurance agents and real estate developers and not artistic people. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.000 I think he had one friend at his college high 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:55.400 school who went to work in Hollywood out of like 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:59.880 fifty you know, like everyone else went into just traditional 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:04.800 mad Men style era. I mean mad he was a 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.440 madman guy, was a creative person, but you know these 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.920 kind of jobs were as martinis and secretaries or something 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.960 to paraphrase. So I think, just like you, you know, 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:20.160 my experience of this stuff is really I never got 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.880 obsessed with movies. I would say, you know, I just yeah, 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:28.880 respected when I went through older you know, I want 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.800 to learn about like great artists and stuff, and but 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:36.440 you know, also was in the total trash of Porky's 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:43.159 and just things aimed at me, Caddy Shack movies like that, 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:48.120 Stripes Bill Murray, just just you know, stuff that's aimed 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.920 at people like me, Like you did some work on 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.640 the Bob Dylan film. Yeah, there was a movie by 0:06:53.680 --> 0:07:00.240 Todd Haynes, a really cool director in a friend of 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.000 mine who lives in Portland part time, called I'm Not 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.000 There about Bob Dylan, and he got a bunch of 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:12.880 people to say, current artists like Jim James from My 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:17.200 Morning Jacket, and there were others just blanking, but he 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.560 got he was He had me do a ballad of 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.360 a thin man or it was his idea, which is 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:28.920 one of Bob's, my good friend Bob's classic songs, you know, 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:33.080 Bobby's great, amazing songs. I couldn't believe it, you know really, 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.520 I was like, holy s h I t I can't 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:40.080 not worthy. And then the movie got made and then 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:46.080 Kate Blanchett, who's like super talented, she lip sync along 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.200 to my voice in the movie and that was sorry, 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:53.960 that was really quite quite incredible for me. 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.800 Yeah, has there been any other movie work? I know 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.720 you were so sad not really liked. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.480 Yeah, I did it sound track music for the show 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.320 featuring a comedian named Will Arnett. 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.560 I loved that show. It was like a net fix. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:08.760 It ran for two series. 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.840 That's nice that you watched. It did not take the 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.640 world by storm in terms of the streaming numbers, But 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.200 I mean, I guess it was maybe just not wrong 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.680 time for that kind of show. And but it. 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.080 Looked nice because it was set in all of those 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:26.760 Waterway's eventage. 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.600 Oh yeah, and the cinematographer was good, and the music 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:31.280 was amazing. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.320 The music the music felt could have been. 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.720 Yeah, but I have done There's I got a friend 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.160 of mine's making a movie, has made a movie. Her 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:47.800 name's Kelly Reiker. She's made some movies like Certain Women. 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:53.679 One of them is called and also Old Joy, featuring 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:58.920 Will Oldham from the Palace Brothers and Bonnie Prince Billy. 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.240 He was the star of it. And a couple of 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:05.400 other ones with Michelle Williams, one called Wendy and Lucy. 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.439 But she's made a new movie just it's coming out 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.199 this next year, and I'm playing fiddle in it. I 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.800 don't have any lines, but you're on screen. I'm actually 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:15.599 on screen. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:15.800 In that one. 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.760 Yeah, I'm playing fiddle on my lower arm, dressed like 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:25.719 an eighteen thirties pioneer, you know in Oregon. So is it. 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:27.079 Is it a period piece? 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:34.920 Yeah, it's period. Yeah, it's all completely period. Everything's supposedly 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.559 period correct, except the actual people in it are not, 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:41.160 because that would be impossible. 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.719 Yeah, that would be a fate to do that. Do 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:49.719 you have any acting over experienced all ambition? Do you 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:50.400 have any ambition? 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.400 I don't think so. I mean, it's a big job, 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.280 but it's like really putting yourself out there. It's enough 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.920 to put yourself out with music and just being even 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:07.000 doing a podcast and and doing promo photos, and you know, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.240 it's more. And when you see people that are working 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:14.040 in it, like who they are hiring, I mean it's 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:19.839 very specific what they want and it's very important. So 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.439 you know, I wouldn't think that i'd be right for 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.120 I mean, I guess I'm talking at another next level tier. 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.360 I mean a friend's doing a movie or something, I 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.199 might do it. If we're just like on video cameras 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.760 and the and the budgets like low. I'm not saying 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.160 I wouldn't do that, but I've just seen hurt like 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.839 Kelly go through these trying to cast people. It's like 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:49.040 so important, you know, just seeing that who they they 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.560 really want. It's not only if they're famous. That can 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.199 be an issue too to get funding. You know, it's 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:59.199 nice to get a big star to attract people to 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.280 invest in your movie. But you know, it's just like 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.200 this person has to be this person. You know, it's 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.520 like the way they have to obsess over that. I mean, 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.760 I'm a little bit like even in music, I'm like 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:14.400 to throw this person on. I mean, I picked somebody, 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.000 but I don't have to think about that much. The 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:20.199 stakes are lower, Yeah, sure, the budgets are lower. And 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.680 if I pick a fiddle someone to play a fiddle track, 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.360 or even my drummer, you know, it's just like I 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.200 just ram it in there and like let's see how 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.839 it works. Yeah, And it's not like it's on film. 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.440 You know, I guess the music. You should know right 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.760 away if it's bad, but there's or not as good 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:41.199 as it could be. But movies can go south, like easily. 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:46.080 I watched it could. It's a documentary really about Terry 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:50.559 Terry Gillion, he did Rezilians like that. Yeah, and he 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:54.360 tried to make Don Quixote, and there's a documentary not 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.160 basically about that failing about like it falling apart, and 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.080 it was like the this cursed film. Yeah, I watched 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:05.160 it recently. It's called The Last Man in May that 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:09.640 it's really interesting and it's fascinating how quickly a whole 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:14.559 film falls apart, Like basically that there's rainfall on the 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.520 first day. Yeah, and it just sets this snowball of 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.800 shit running on this production and it just has to 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.480 By the end of the week, it's dead. Like years 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:26.680 and years of work, it's just over because their budgets 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.439 were so small and there's no room for that to happen. Yeah, 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.560 you know, quite quite shocking. 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.079 It can be hard, I mean, and just things like 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.160 tone and I mean other things that a movie can 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.280 be made, and it can just be bad for like 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.080 little reasons you know that aren't it's kind of magic 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:45.200 when it all comes together. 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:49.079 You're living back in Portland now, right, But there was 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.719 a period of time when you were you guys went 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:52.400 to Berlin. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.160 Yeah, like twenty twelve to fourteen or something like that. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:57.520 I can't remember exactly. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.679 When it was, but what made you choose Berlin? 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:05.600 We want to move away from Portland because it's small 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.400 town and a little bit repetitive, and it's awesome in 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:12.559 its ways, but it's also my partner is a big 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.640 city person, or she identifies as one, therefore she is, 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:22.000 and we were just thinking where could we go? Could 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.880 have been America, but I always liked it there in 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:28.959 a way, and they make it relatively easy for you 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:32.120 to get a visa to live there. There's some of 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:36.720 that stuff too, And as we were just searching around 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:41.880 for places a stage, she found one like a house 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.679 that was easy to you know, I guess what I'm 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:50.320 saying is I wasn't particularly obsessed with Germany, just looking 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.959 for a place to go and seem pretty cool. It's 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:55.240 not not deep. 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.679 Did you go to many of the clubs? Did you 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:58.839 get into that world at all? 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:03.800 Yeah. One of my friend friend who is a younger guy, 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.600 he's a DJ too. He and his wife they're called 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:12.920 Local Suicide, and they had a night like every two 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.240 months they would have their own night. But so I 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:16.800 would go to their nights. I also go out with 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.680 him sometimes like, and he was pretty in the know 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.920 about stuff, and so that was good. It was nice 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:28.240 to have a guide because I wouldn't looking resident advisor 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.200 or something and kind of see what's going on on 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.120 the but I wouldn't really might not have taken the effort. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.720 I also probably wouldn't wait in line or something. You know, 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.920 he would usually get going right, Okay, sorry to say. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.240 Was it Were you new to that world though, like 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.920 in terms of like electronic music and clubbing and going clubbing. 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.480 Yeah, I mean I listened to stuff that kind of clubbing, 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:58.240 multi room off your head style late nights. Haven't done 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.800 that much, kind of avoided it the nineties when pavement 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:09.840 was over here during the ecstasy rave culture revolution. I 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.760 don't know why I think I was. I mean, I 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.080 was also up my own ass thinking about what I 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:18.600 was doing. And in America it was all grunge and guitars, 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.760 and here it was like a fusion of cool things 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.640 going on, and I guess the yellow smiley faces. And 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:29.120 I wasn't a big drug taker, so I kind of 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.720 thought it was. I didn't think of its social ramifications. 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.600 I just kind of just listened to it and it 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:40.120 felt animal, kind of drug animal thing or like the 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:44.200 intellectual side of it I couldn't. I couldn't get which 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:44.800 I do now. 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.840 Was it in Berlin where the new record Groove Denied started? 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:50.680 Was that the genesis if the record comes. 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.840 A little well a little bit I mean I listened 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:54.960 to a lot of that music, but it was more 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:59.680 for me was getting different software and hardware in my 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.360 house and a little bit making that flaked soundtrack that 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:08.360 we were talking about. Although they wanted, they didn't want, 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:13.120 but I thought that it should be kind of melancholy 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:17.320 guitar indie classic rock kind of went with that character. 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:22.160 It got me to start recording myself more. And also 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.920 a friend of mine gave me Ableton like in twenty 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.960 twelve or something, but I didn't really interact with it. 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.360 I just kind of messed around with it. And so 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.360 once I started recording the bit on that and bouncing 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:40.000 that back to pro tools back and forth, and well, 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:44.960 just trying to record myself again like demos, which I 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:49.240 have done demos, but I didn't try to make them 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:50.520 into a final project. 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.960 Earlier this year, you're on the cover of Wire magazine 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.800 and there was a little column in there about you 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.359 were talking about the YouTube tutorials that you'd watch about 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:07.600 Ableton tutor oils. Yeah, to teach you that kind of stuff. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.840 I love YouTube tutorials anyway. Yeah, I kind of use 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.520 them for everything now, mean too, like if I want 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.200 to put oil in my car. 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:16.640 Yeah. 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.240 The first thing I go to is YouTube for that. 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.680 Yeah. I texted Dan on a rental car seeing if really, 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:26.080 if you use a toilet plunger, does it work or not? 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:27.560 That's a recent thing I did. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:28.080 Did it work? 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.160 Yeah? Whether smile Dan, it does work? 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:30.560 Okay? 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:31.639 Deeper Dan, no go. 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.280 I always think that people that do those tutorials are 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.640 good people because they're not doing it for anything other 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.040 than to be useful, helpful to other people and stuff. 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:44.440 Yeah do you? 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:45.160 Yeah? 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:45.600 I think so? 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.280 What would you if you were to upload a tutorial? 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:51.639 What would be your what would you do one on? 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.080 What would you be able to give gift to the internet? 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:59.640 Right? Isn't that sad? Though I don't have anything I can, really, 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.600 it seems like most people do it better already, you 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:03.840 know what I mean. That's the problem. 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.840 Yeah, I don't even know if I wanted to, you. 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.520 Know, of course I could do a tennis one, but 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.520 it would be like for people up to my level 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.760 or people, you know, it would be kind of limited 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.600 to a person that got my sense of humor. And 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:22.639 see the slight irony of me doing that, you know, 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.920 because I'm already whether I I think I already have 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.919 like people know me, so you know what I mean. 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:33.040 It's like I'm just not like an average dude yet unfortunately. 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.320 I mean I would be to millions of people, but 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:38.359 the first people that went there, they would be like, 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:42.320 what that's that kind of payment? Dude? The slacker guy, 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.160 what's he going to talk about? You know what I mean? 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.040 What would you say to do a perfect surf? What 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:48.560 would be your your tennis? 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.600 I would just like struggles with the one handed backhand, 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.399 you know, and like, don't give up on it. Okay, 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.879 So you watch a lot of tennis and everyone does 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.320 a two handed backhand, and I'd just be like, you know, 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.600 the one handed backhands, graceful and stick with it. 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.600 It looks good. I went to Wimbledon for the first time, 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:09.200 he did. 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.720 Yeah, that was a good final this year with Fetter 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.000 and joking. Yeah, yeah, exciting. 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:19.840 I was there like the week before, like third round 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.119 kind of matches. Have you been Have you been there? 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:26.920 You've never been there. I just saw some video of 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:32.080 like American Breakfast at Wimbledon. We call it because it's 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:35.399 on really early and uh, just the fonts, you know, 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:37.840 it's like graphics from nineteen eighty eight, and it kind 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:39.840 of like gave me like a shiver, and it was like, 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.720 you know TV graphics from the eighties or you don't 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.159 like seeing that, Well, I like it, but it you know, 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.359 it's you kind of it looks good, but it's not 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:54.000 quite kitchy it. I lived through it too, some things 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.760 that like a younger person can look at the eighties 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.880 and just appropriate it. Ye, I just think it's cool. 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.280 Or even the nineties, you know, like if you actually 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:06.920 went through if you were like seventeen at that time 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.760 and just either you just broken out, was something you 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:13.320 didn't know who you were or you were you know, 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:15.200 you kind of like takes you you know. 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:21.680 Yeah, they've started reshowing like a nostalgia show for the 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:25.439 nineties here that was first on in like two thousand 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.000 and four or something. Yeah, they've just start for some reason, 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.520 they've just started putting that back on TV here. And 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:35.560 I get what you mean because that's kind of my equivalent. 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:40.360 Right you were were you like I was in nineteen Yeah. 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.720 In ninety five, I would have been thirteen. 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.720 Yeah, So do you reckon like nineties movies? Nineties is 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:49.720 one of the best decades of movies. Would you say 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.720 that this is just a test from a friend of 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.600 mine who's similar age of yours. Who says yes, who 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.440 says yes. He says, there's like ten classic movies. You 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:01.520 know he'll do like The Terminator and stuff that too. 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:03.359 I mean, he's a video director, but he likes some 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:06.280 you know, he's like, these are amazing things. I was like, 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.399 why do you talk about Like, I'm like, seventies are 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:09.199 the best movies? 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:13.320 I would say, I would say no. I don't know 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.760 if I would say that. I've got a fondness for 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:19.399 those movies, but I think I can see them for 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:22.560 being not not great. 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.840 Yeah, not like just out like yeah, that was the 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.280 time like this amazing stuff was getting made. 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.680 I think I think Terminator Too is something else. I 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.040 think that's like another level, but a lot of it. 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.800 I don't think it's aged very well. Oddly that like 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:38.920 that thing you're saying about, like the graphics not being 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.080 old enough to be kitched. Like if I if I 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:45.480 see back to the Future, I'm kind of Star Wars. Yeah, 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.800 for some reason, that's fine. That that almost looks newer 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.320 and more high tech than Terminator Too. You know what 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.040 I mean, that's true, Like I don't know why it shouldn't. 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:57.280 It shouldn't at all because it's ten years older, but 0:21:58.119 --> 0:21:59.240 there is something in that. 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:02.560 Yeah, the memory is different. Back to the Future is 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.840 like my friend, I haven't seen it lately. My friend 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:08.119 said she saw it and it was like the worst movie. 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:11.280 She couldn't believe that it got so but it Yeah, 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.760 that it's I don't get my mind. I remember it 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:16.920 being kind of funny, and you know, I see people 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:20.640 wearing fuck effing Back to the Future t shirts now still, 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:24.119 and like it has a pull on people. You know, 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:27.240 that's like maybe blasphemy that I would say that to 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:28.480 some people, you know. 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:32.680 Yeah, it's that and the Goonies. Yeah, that's enough what 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:36.360 I felt. So, so your your kind of Golden Year films? 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:38.360 So you think the seventies films are the best? 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.680 I kind of think all things are best from the seventies, 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:46.359 be it music or you know. So what h were 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.159