WEBVTT - Draft Show: Fool's Gold? 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:09.080 Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.840 for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:16.200 confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star Infrasco. 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:19.959 And now your host, Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:27.000 Today is Tuesday, April first, twenty twenty five. We are 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:31.200 officially in Draft month, just twenty three days away from 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.080 the NFL Draft. Welcome into the Draft Show, presented by 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.000 Miller Light, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. It 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:41.280 is Miller time. Starting to get exciting around these parts. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.599 Thirty visits starting this week. We've got a lot of 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.760 information flying around at the owner's beatings, a whole lot 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.920 of information still compiling into the board as we speak. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.120 But this is the final stretch as we work into April. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.760 And no, that is not an April fool's joke. 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.400 We've got Zach Olchuck, Brian brought us Vox Lombardi, Bobby 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:02.680 Belt with Chris Beam and the backladder with us. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.399 Everybody. This is an exciting time, gentlemen. Brian, I know. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.320 There's a lot of talk about rules and explanation of 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.520 the rules and all that stuff, but it's still a 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:12.400 lot of draft talk. 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.399 At the same time, The biggest thing I heard was 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:16.759 that the head coach today told us that he wasn't 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.240 interested in getting his coaches involved in scouting, which I 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:19.920 thought was cool. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:20.560 I liked it. 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.480 I guess I kind of made that up in a way. 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:27.000 You know, he said no. He was even talking about 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.480 how his guys, you know, he listen to these guys, 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:33.200 the scouts. It's their job, it's their responsibilities and stuff. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.520 That was something I know that we had talked about 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.800 on a couple of different platforms about this that would 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:43.240 the first year, would Brian Schottenheimer say, Hey, I'm going 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:46.039 to let the scouts do their job. I'll be there 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:49.640 to kind of be to moderate what's going on, much 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.280 like with Bill Parcells and what he did when he 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:55.000 first came here. Let the Scouts do their job, you 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.080 learn the scouts and then that just that way Schottenheimer's 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:02.440 been here before. But what the situation is in that chair, 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:04.600 He's gonna almost be like the vice president of the 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.240 United States. He's going to break ties and so that's 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.640 where he has to be very mindful. And the fact 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.200 that he was talking about the scouts do their job. 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:15.880 I think that's some of the best news I heard 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:17.720 coming out of the owners meetings today and. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.639 Then Shody talking about buildings from the outside end. Right. 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.000 Uh so he did mention edge rushers, but wide receiver 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.480 corner seems like that's gonna be very much in play 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:27.720 there at pick number twelve. 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.400 Yeah, just to be missy, right, because I like, you know, good, good. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.919 Miss it is a toxic Tuesday. 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:37.760 Do you think that's like a Schoenheimer thing that I'm 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:39.959 just gonna let the scouts do this right or he's 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.040 been to build it so long he's going, Man, that 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.400 coach at this pick up, this coach, Damn boy, the 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:46.959 scouts would be fine, but this coach says non sense 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.280 right here, I'm gonna let them fly because I've been around. 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:53.000 It's a it's a largely new coaching staff and a 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.040 lot of these guys he talked about that like when 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.480 he got during the hiring process, he didn't know a 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:59.760 lot of them very well. He had like taken recommendations 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:01.440 and things like that. So I don't know that he's 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.200 got a great handle on what kind of evaluators they 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:05.880 all are at this point. I mean some of them 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:07.280 he would know old guys. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.400 I'm talking about the oh oh yeah, like he's seen 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.240 coaches mess the draft up, so he's gonna go, man, 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:13.560 you know what, I'm just gonna keep my hands off 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:15.120 this and let Will in the guys. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.480 That's I think it may be a little bit more 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:21.960 of respect element for the scouting department, for the guys 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.359 that they have found before. I mean, Tyler Smith was 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.560 a pick that no one had their eyes on, at 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.600 least going into the final weeks of the draft. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:30.000 He ended up being an All Pro. 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.040 I mean, there's there's a lot of different elements, and 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.360 that's just one example. But I think it's more so 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.320 Schottenheimer's been around the building. He's seen the job that 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.480 Will McLay and his staff put on the table year 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.080 after year after year, and so he says, it's not 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:44.800 on me to mess that up and try and shake 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:45.560 things up along them. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.960 I like it. Whatever whatever we however we painted, whatever 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.920 we painted. As a scout sitting there, you have to 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.080 feel like, Okay, this is on us, guys. I mean, 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.000 you know, he's gonna tell us the coaches are going 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:58.680 to say, to Bobby's point, there's a lot of coaches 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:00.680 that haven't been in the national football You got some 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.680 college guys, you know, they could tell you, like, hey, 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.440 you know, when I was at Kansas State, you guys 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.040 kind of saw the players we played with the offensive line, 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.760 you kind of have an idea of that. But overall, though, 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.640 I mean, I think it's a very, very at least 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.000 for the first draft, kind of get a feel, get 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.680 an idea of what coaches can evaluate and which coaches can't, 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.159 and as you move along, Will will know that, and 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.720 then he'll be able to say, Okay, if this guy 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.680 gives his opinion about a player, I need to take it, 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.160 or Okay, thank you very much, coach. Is there anything 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:31.400 else we need to talk about here? 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.640 It's really a coach's coach scout scout mentality. 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.360 Never called a third down defense in my life, never 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.279 called a third down defense. So I don't think you know, 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.960 and when they and I think there's a place for coaches, 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.479 I think there are some really good coach evaluators. I 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.279 want to say this, I would have liked to have 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.040 worked with Jason Garrett. As much problems as I had 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:52.720 with Jason Garrett, as some of the coaching things he did, 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:54.600 I would have liked to work with him in the 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.080 scouting department. I worked with his dad for a long time. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.640 I think there were some probably some conversations he had 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.400 at the enter table with his dad about scouting, and 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:04.240 I think he had a pretty good understanding about that. 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.920 You can get some coaches that have some good evaluation 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:07.839 takes well. 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.000 And you've got twenty three days to kind of put 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.679 your board together and finish out the way you think 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.600 on this draft class. And when you've got a new 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.240 coaching staff, you've got a coach that's been around for 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.680 at least a little bit here in Schottenheimer, and then 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.360 you've got a scouting department that's done this the same way. 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:23.479 For a number of years too. 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:27.120 It's easier to have overthink and it's easier to have 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.680 some miscommunication back and forth between those two sides. If 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:34.040 there is a full on involvement. Now everyone's going to 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.719 have an involvement. It's just a different level of that 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.640 across the board between the coaches and the scouts. But 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:44.960 I thought the overthink side of things was interesting, And Bobby, 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.719 you brought up the NFL dot com article from Bucky 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.280 Brooks this past week. You can go check it out. 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.240 Of course, a friend of the show, former Draft Show 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.800 analyst in his own right, but Bucky said in the 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.640 twenty twenty five NFL Draft, here's a list of names 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.240 that you shouldn't overthink, and it kind of brought to 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.360 the attention we don't have to go buy the same names. 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.640 You can go by your own names. What does it 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.080 mean to overthink a player? How easy is it to 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:10.960 do that? And what are some of the names that 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:12.719 fit that mold here in twenty twenty five. 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.960 So I think when I think of overthink as just 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.120 a obviously could meet different things to different people. But 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.560 whenever I hear anybody talk about that during the draft process, 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.120 what they're talking about there is you know, something we've 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.680 touched on recently, fatigue, like name fatigue. Somebody who's been 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:29.320 around a long time, and you maybe get a little 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.400 jaded towards hearing them. But a lot of times what 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:35.120 I think about when I hear overthink is basically looking 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.320 at anything that's outside of what they put on tape, 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.839 like and hyper focusing on anything they put up. So 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.320 will Campbell's arm lengths? All right? Are you are you 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.480 gonna be hyperfixiated on that or are you gonna worry about? Okay, 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:46.880 but what did you look like on tape? Are you 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.520 gonna be worried about somebody's long speed or their time speed, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.360 or are you gonna just say that guy looked great 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.279 on tape, so I'm gonna trust that. So that's generally 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.520 how I look at it as just the I know 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.760 there are questions there that exist or that have popped 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.800 up during the process relative to aspects that are important 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:07.400 to the evaluation. But should they be trumping what we 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.000 see on tape, which is a good football player. 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:12.960 Yeah, to your point of me, like Ted McMillan, right 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.880 with the forty time with him, it looks plenty fast 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:17.760 when you watch him play, Like, to me, that's not 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.200 a prospect that you should overthink. I think Ted McMillan's 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.080 the best wide receiver in this draft class, and I 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.440 wouldn't move him there based on, oh, he didn't run 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.040 an X amount of forty times. So I do think 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.000 there's a couple of these prospects. To your point, Will 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.920 Campbell's another one good player, right, but there's been the 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:34.000 conversations he tackle? 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:35.760 Is he a guard? Bobby? 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:37.600 I heard you make the comment about Rashaun Slater. They 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.600 had that same conversation about with the arm length, the 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.720 gold Campbell's tape is pretty darn good. Now when he 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.480 plays against one guy from South Carolina that I throw 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.240 out is a not overthinking player, Kyle Canard. 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.600 Kyle Canard's a dude that is just absolutely productive. 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:52.600 And I think Kyle Canard is one of these guys 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.800 that's being slept on as an edge rusher and he's 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.240 gonna end up being like a Byron Young, a Kobe Turner, 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.240 one of these guys that a key on White that 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.040 ends up sliding maybe to the day two, second third round, 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.000 ends up being one of the better pass rushers in 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:05.680 this draft class. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.760 You say, what Ted McMillan and not overthinking tet Before 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.280 we get away from that well too much, there was 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.600 a video that did pop up this past weekend on 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.080 social media where he was talking about how he did 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:19.360 not like watching football and he did not like watching film. 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.280 Does something like that play a factor in to overthink 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.080 because again, it's a factor, like Bobby said, that's outside 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.280 of film, but it does have to do with the film, right. 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.440 Does that play a factor at all in the way 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.040 that you look at McMillan and the way that he 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:32.880 moves forward. 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.960 Well, you gotta find out does he is it? I 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.360 just don't like watching football, or do you not love football? 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.560 And I do think that that's an old video apparently 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.760 that has surfaced that a couple of years, several years ago, 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.960 so his mindset might have changed completely. And he didn't 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.400 say I don't necessarily hate watching film. He just does 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.240 it with the wide receiver group. He's not going to 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.520 go seek it out necessarily by himself. So you talk 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.000 about a guy that everything that I've been able to hear, 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.280 high character, comes to work every day. That's a dude 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.240 that hasn't given you any other problems off the field. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.280 I don't think it's an I don't love football. He 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.400 just doesn't like watching football. And if you look at 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.560 professionals across all sports, there's plenty that feel the same way. 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:12.440 See Michael Parsons, Yeah, See Michael Mary Cooper, Yeah, see 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.680 guys that you know. And this is a situation where 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.360 if Ted McMillan didn't like football and you're watching his tape, 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.440 you could tell that, yeah, you could tell. But but 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.160 when you watch him, and right now we've got the 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:27.560 highlights up of him just doing everything he can to 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.440 get an extra yard or two, or to make a catch, 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.640 or to sacrifice this body. You know, if you don't 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.920 like football, you don't play well. And I and I 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.320 and I was watching you know, Jesse Holly was making 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.839 some comments about about that, you know, and he was saying, well, 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:44.040 you lose that edge. 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:45.600 You lose that edge when you don't. 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:47.840 But you know, if if I had to ask you, 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:51.600 guys right now, power rank how these linebackers have played 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:55.200 here with the Dallas Cowboys, Michael Parsons, Sean Lee, and 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.000 Leyton vander USh, what order would you put those guys in? 0:09:58.720 --> 0:09:59.920 Yeah, Michael would be at the top. 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.840 The other two guys watch film extensively, Yeah, all the time. 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:04.079 Yep. 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.560 But you just guys just told me that Michael Parsons 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.560 was the best player. You know, so there are guys 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.640 that play this game. I mean, if he didn't love 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.680 the game and he came out and said, man, I'm 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.920 just playing this so I can open my ice cream 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:20.000 shop or become a doctor, you know, pay met for 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.960 medical school, that's a concern. But you watch his tape. 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.760 Don't overthink this, don't overthink this. 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.120 With this he doesn't look like like and I mean, 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.880 obviously you don't want to totally interpret effort or other 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:33.880 things based off the tape all the time, Like you 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:35.440 don't want to say, oh, that person's lazy and a 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:37.360 Baylor receivers used to run into that all the time, 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:38.199 that's lazy when it. 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:39.800 Was scheme part of what the game was. 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.000 But I don't think when you watch tech Ncmillan play, 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:44.920 like when you see him freelance and work back to 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:46.560 the volunarer, different thing, that doesn't strike me as somebody 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:50.719 who doesn't enjoy the game and enjoy what goes into it. 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.040 And so to me, I think that he does. Does 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.000 he show up like he looks like he studies all 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.160 the time. That doesn't necessarily pop, But I mean he 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:00.240 looks like a guy who is has a few for 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.840 the game, enjoys it, enjoys playing it. Plenty of people 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.439 enjoy playing sports and not watching them. People enjoy watching 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.679 sports in person and not on TV. Yeah, Like, I mean, 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.880 there's there's lots of different ways to explain that. I 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:13.320 think LOFs loafs matter. And we don't see loas with him. 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.040 You know, we don't see oh, I know the ball 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:16.800 is not going to me. I'm just gonna kick it, 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:18.760 Like we don't see that from him, And you know, 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:20.800 as far as the whole film stuff goes. It took 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:22.520 me a couple of days to think about this because 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.599 I was befuddled when I first saw it because I 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.760 thought about the the Headache guys or the they may 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:31.320 not love ball guys. But but I think Dak will 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:32.200 have something to say about that. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:33.960 Yeah, like he do, Hey, come. 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.959 Go ask movie and twelve overall Pick City. 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.840 Lamba has something to do with that. Right. If you're 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.000 a role player with no leadership in this locker room, 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.200 then we may have something to talk about then. But 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.720 there's gonna be like if it is McMillan and he's here, 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:48.920 there's gonna be a clear peck in order that he's 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:50.640 gonna have to answer to as a young dude, and 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.800 we're gonna have to go from there. Michael Parsons, who 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.000 kind of just rolls off the couch as a guy, 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:57.800 tank what you're gonna tell me? And you ain't got 0:11:57.840 --> 0:11:59.319 a sack in three years, you know what I'm saying. 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.120 So leadership mayn't matter there. I don't think this is 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:03.319 going to be a big deal for this kid. 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.719 I think, and this is this is this young man, 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.560 this is unfortunate. I'm gonna bring this up. I don't 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.320 think Diggs is that type of guy. I don't think 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.840 Diggs is a guy that's what we consider a guy 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.360 that's just gonna grind out on film and all that. 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.880 And he's a natural player. You watch him play, you 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:20.959 can watch him be in position, you know, you can 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.880 watch it. There's a lot of natural ability. But they're 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.400 guys in this team that aren't big film watchers. When 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.760 tech nc Millan said that, and those guys saw that 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.439 on social media, they're like, huh, that seems pretty interesting. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:32.720 You know. 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:34.840 There's some guys like huh, I can't believe you don't 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.199 like film, And there's others like man that dude's got 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.880 a lot of natural ability, you know, And so yeah, 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:41.960 they're there are players in this league. And I brought 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.480 up Diggs because I think Diggs is one of those 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.880 guys that plays on a lot of feel you know. 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:48.920 I mean, but you could study. 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.320 But I'm I don't think he's one of those guys 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.480 that's just kind of knocking it out every single day 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:53.800 like that. 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.160 Like what, I prefer somebody who does it that way. Yeah, 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:02.240 I would prefer something like John Lee everywhere. Un Sure 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.160 some people can can probably get away with less work 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.160 than others. And you know what I mean, there were probably. 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:11.520 I think Hunters that way in this draft. I think 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.800 Hunter's I think Hunter is a player that plays with 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:15.680 tremendous feet. 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:16.560 He's a field player. 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:18.760 I don't know that he's not putting the work though, 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.080 to watch tape, I think he's probably he's a super 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:21.640 high IQ. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.280 Yeah, I think he's super smart. 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:25.960 But when you watch him run routes and you watch 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.480 him cover that, that is not a great route right there. No, 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.080 I mean that is not a guy that's that is 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.360 that is a guy who is has been touched by God. Yes, 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.440 and you know mom and dad and and he is 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.240 that type of a player. I think if I think this, 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.080 and we had this discussion on one O five three 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.720 the Fan yesterday on the g Bag Nation, I think 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.240 if Hunter played one position, he would be great. Playing 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:53.040 two positions, you might not get his absolute greatness out 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:53.400 of this. Well. 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.080 Is that is that where the lack of polish comes from? 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.160 Because he's not a super polished corner either. 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:58.199 That's what I'm saying. 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.480 But how much I mean, you won you wonder how 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:05.040 much does he really study? You know, you wonder and 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.360 I'm not saying he's he's just completely doesn't do it. 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.240 But I see a player when you watch him, when 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.280 you watch him play the routes and stuff like that, 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.240 they're not real. I mean a lot of it is 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.840 kind of feel drive. I'm gonna turn it here, I'm 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.520 gonna burst here, I'm gonna use my hands here. I 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.840 mean there's things that he could do film wise to 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.040 probably set guys up. I think he does it just 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:30.880 by how. 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.120 He plays, and I think he like because again, he 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:34.720 is a I love the kid. He's a full time 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.000 player on both sides. With him being a full time 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.520 player on both sides, maybe he's not. God is like, 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:42.120 I don't know that I have much time to like 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.640 sit here and like start studying down on my technique 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.440 and mechanics as a corner, because I gotta go do 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.200 some practice exactly see, so that can can split you up. 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.080 I would say this that I will as soon as 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.600 he commits to one position and then as part time another, 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.080 because I don't think he's gonna be full time at 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.480 both anywhere. As soon as he commits to one, I 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.760 think he's going to become a really good technician, really fast. 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.960 Agreed, but like I said, that's that's what I'm saying. 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:05.080 He doesn't have the time to. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:09.920 Because I don't know that there's a more naturally instinctive 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.800 player at either people. And he's playing than an. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:16.240 All field, all freelances well. And he's a damn good 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.120 athlete too. He's one of the best we've ever seen. Yeah, 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.560 the athletic ability helps him hide a. 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.560 Lot of THEA you can be a really hard worker 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.160 and have no instincts, and and that can I mean 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.080 that was I think that's for a long time what 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.680 people felt like happened to Charles Tapper here. Outside of 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:32.080 just the injuries, I think a lot of people felt 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.440 like that guy worked, he was a good person, he 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.040 had all the trades. He just had no instincts, And 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:38.240 I think that was a big. 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:38.760 For that position. 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.120 It's hard to be that you can't play his position 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:42.320 and not have instincts. 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.880 So would you rather have the instincts as opposed to 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.640 a film junkie as we were talking about a moment ago, 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.320 I mean, you would. 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:50.960 Like to have this, Yeah, he would love to have. 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.560 I can't teach instincts. Yeah, you have the feel or 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.520 you have instincts. You don't I can teach you how 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:58.080 to watch tape. 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.600 Yeah, film do it is awesome though, Man, I was 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.400 just thinking about Leaf would have passed him because the 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.360 boy I missed Lee, He's you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:06.680 if he was healthy, Yeah for sure. 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.680 If Travis Hunter covered Travis Hunter for a full game, 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:11.800 gets the better of him. 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:16.440 I Travis Hunder the receiver. Wow, Travis Hunter the receiver. 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.800 I think Travis Hunter could be an All Pro receiver 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:20.160 in this league. So you think he could be a 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:21.480 better receiver than a corner. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:22.680 I put him on my board as a receiver. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.160 I mean the more I watched him play, and it 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:30.400 all goes back to studying Shador Sanders. It all goes 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.440 back to that and watching him play, and I there 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:37.480 are times when shardor Sanders is in complete trouble and 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.680 that guy bails him out. And so to me, if 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.080 and I I know, watch and I haven't talked about 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.880 this on our show, but I the more and we 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.920 did these quarterbacks late and I started the more I watched. 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:50.520 The more I watch, the more I watch him like 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.760 that guy right there could be an All Pro wide receiver. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.880 Would you say that the cornerback Travis is better now, 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.040 but the wide receiver Travis has more room to gro. 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.560 I think I think I think it's the opposite. I 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:01.920