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Speaker 3: Today is Tuesday, April first, twenty twenty five. We are
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Speaker 3: is Miller time. Starting to get exciting around these parts.
Speaker 3: Thirty visits starting this week. We've got a lot of
Speaker 3: information flying around at the owner's beatings, a whole lot
Speaker 3: of information still compiling into the board as we speak.
Speaker 3: But this is the final stretch as we work into April.
Speaker 4: And no, that is not an April fool's joke.
Speaker 3: We've got Zach Olchuck, Brian brought us Vox Lombardi, Bobby
Speaker 3: Belt with Chris Beam and the backladder with us.
Speaker 4: Everybody. This is an exciting time, gentlemen. Brian, I know.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of talk about rules and explanation of
Speaker 3: the rules and all that stuff, but it's still a
Speaker 3: lot of draft talk.
Speaker 5: At the same time, The biggest thing I heard was
Speaker 5: that the head coach today told us that he wasn't
Speaker 5: interested in getting his coaches involved in scouting, which I
Speaker 5: thought was cool.
Speaker 4: I liked it.
Speaker 5: I guess I kind of made that up in a way.
Speaker 5: You know, he said no. He was even talking about
Speaker 5: how his guys, you know, he listen to these guys,
Speaker 5: the scouts. It's their job, it's their responsibilities and stuff.
Speaker 5: That was something I know that we had talked about
Speaker 5: on a couple of different platforms about this that would
Speaker 5: the first year, would Brian Schottenheimer say, Hey, I'm going
Speaker 5: to let the scouts do their job. I'll be there
Speaker 5: to kind of be to moderate what's going on, much
Speaker 5: like with Bill Parcells and what he did when he
Speaker 5: first came here. Let the Scouts do their job, you
Speaker 5: learn the scouts and then that just that way Schottenheimer's
Speaker 5: been here before. But what the situation is in that chair,
Speaker 5: He's gonna almost be like the vice president of the
Speaker 5: United States. He's going to break ties and so that's
Speaker 5: where he has to be very mindful. And the fact
Speaker 5: that he was talking about the scouts do their job.
Speaker 5: I think that's some of the best news I heard
Speaker 5: coming out of the owners meetings today and.
Speaker 4: Then Shody talking about buildings from the outside end. Right.
Speaker 6: Uh so he did mention edge rushers, but wide receiver
Speaker 6: corner seems like that's gonna be very much in play
Speaker 6: there at pick number twelve.
Speaker 7: Yeah, just to be missy, right, because I like, you know, good, good.
Speaker 4: Miss it is a toxic Tuesday.
Speaker 7: Do you think that's like a Schoenheimer thing that I'm
Speaker 7: just gonna let the scouts do this right or he's
Speaker 7: been to build it so long he's going, Man, that
Speaker 7: coach at this pick up, this coach, Damn boy, the
Speaker 7: scouts would be fine, but this coach says non sense
Speaker 7: right here, I'm gonna let them fly because I've been around.
Speaker 8: It's a it's a largely new coaching staff and a
Speaker 8: lot of these guys he talked about that like when
Speaker 8: he got during the hiring process, he didn't know a
Speaker 8: lot of them very well. He had like taken recommendations
Speaker 8: and things like that. So I don't know that he's
Speaker 8: got a great handle on what kind of evaluators they
Speaker 8: all are at this point. I mean some of them
Speaker 8: he would know old guys.
Speaker 7: I'm talking about the oh oh yeah, like he's seen
Speaker 7: coaches mess the draft up, so he's gonna go, man,
Speaker 7: you know what, I'm just gonna keep my hands off
Speaker 7: this and let Will in the guys.
Speaker 3: That's I think it may be a little bit more
Speaker 3: of respect element for the scouting department, for the guys
Speaker 3: that they have found before. I mean, Tyler Smith was
Speaker 3: a pick that no one had their eyes on, at
Speaker 3: least going into the final weeks of the draft.
Speaker 4: He ended up being an All Pro.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's a lot of different elements, and
Speaker 3: that's just one example. But I think it's more so
Speaker 3: Schottenheimer's been around the building. He's seen the job that
Speaker 3: Will McLay and his staff put on the table year
Speaker 3: after year after year, and so he says, it's not
Speaker 3: on me to mess that up and try and shake
Speaker 3: things up along them.
Speaker 5: I like it. Whatever whatever we however we painted, whatever
Speaker 5: we painted. As a scout sitting there, you have to
Speaker 5: feel like, Okay, this is on us, guys. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, he's gonna tell us the coaches are going
Speaker 5: to say, to Bobby's point, there's a lot of coaches
Speaker 5: that haven't been in the national football You got some
Speaker 5: college guys, you know, they could tell you, like, hey,
Speaker 5: you know, when I was at Kansas State, you guys
Speaker 5: kind of saw the players we played with the offensive line,
Speaker 5: you kind of have an idea of that. But overall, though,
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's a very, very at least
Speaker 5: for the first draft, kind of get a feel, get
Speaker 5: an idea of what coaches can evaluate and which coaches can't,
Speaker 5: and as you move along, Will will know that, and
Speaker 5: then he'll be able to say, Okay, if this guy
Speaker 5: gives his opinion about a player, I need to take it,
Speaker 5: or Okay, thank you very much, coach. Is there anything
Speaker 5: else we need to talk about here?
Speaker 3: It's really a coach's coach scout scout mentality.
Speaker 5: Never called a third down defense in my life, never
Speaker 5: called a third down defense. So I don't think you know,
Speaker 5: and when they and I think there's a place for coaches,
Speaker 5: I think there are some really good coach evaluators. I
Speaker 5: want to say this, I would have liked to have
Speaker 5: worked with Jason Garrett. As much problems as I had
Speaker 5: with Jason Garrett, as some of the coaching things he did,
Speaker 5: I would have liked to work with him in the
Speaker 5: scouting department. I worked with his dad for a long time.
Speaker 5: I think there were some probably some conversations he had
Speaker 5: at the enter table with his dad about scouting, and
Speaker 5: I think he had a pretty good understanding about that.
Speaker 5: You can get some coaches that have some good evaluation
Speaker 5: takes well.
Speaker 3: And you've got twenty three days to kind of put
Speaker 3: your board together and finish out the way you think
Speaker 3: on this draft class. And when you've got a new
Speaker 3: coaching staff, you've got a coach that's been around for
Speaker 3: at least a little bit here in Schottenheimer, and then
Speaker 3: you've got a scouting department that's done this the same way.
Speaker 4: For a number of years too.
Speaker 3: It's easier to have overthink and it's easier to have
Speaker 3: some miscommunication back and forth between those two sides. If
Speaker 3: there is a full on involvement. Now everyone's going to
Speaker 3: have an involvement. It's just a different level of that
Speaker 3: across the board between the coaches and the scouts. But
Speaker 3: I thought the overthink side of things was interesting, And Bobby,
Speaker 3: you brought up the NFL dot com article from Bucky
Speaker 3: Brooks this past week. You can go check it out.
Speaker 3: Of course, a friend of the show, former Draft Show
Speaker 3: analyst in his own right, but Bucky said in the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five NFL Draft, here's a list of names
Speaker 3: that you shouldn't overthink, and it kind of brought to
Speaker 3: the attention we don't have to go buy the same names.
Speaker 3: You can go by your own names. What does it
Speaker 3: mean to overthink a player? How easy is it to
Speaker 3: do that? And what are some of the names that
Speaker 3: fit that mold here in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 8: So I think when I think of overthink as just
Speaker 8: a obviously could meet different things to different people. But
Speaker 8: whenever I hear anybody talk about that during the draft process,
Speaker 8: what they're talking about there is you know, something we've
Speaker 8: touched on recently, fatigue, like name fatigue. Somebody who's been
Speaker 8: around a long time, and you maybe get a little
Speaker 8: jaded towards hearing them. But a lot of times what
Speaker 8: I think about when I hear overthink is basically looking
Speaker 8: at anything that's outside of what they put on tape,
Speaker 8: like and hyper focusing on anything they put up. So
Speaker 8: will Campbell's arm lengths? All right? Are you are you
Speaker 8: gonna be hyperfixiated on that or are you gonna worry about? Okay,
Speaker 8: but what did you look like on tape? Are you
Speaker 8: gonna be worried about somebody's long speed or their time speed,
Speaker 8: or are you gonna just say that guy looked great
Speaker 8: on tape, so I'm gonna trust that. So that's generally
Speaker 8: how I look at it as just the I know
Speaker 8: there are questions there that exist or that have popped
Speaker 8: up during the process relative to aspects that are important
Speaker 8: to the evaluation. But should they be trumping what we
Speaker 8: see on tape, which is a good football player.
Speaker 6: Yeah, to your point of me, like Ted McMillan, right
Speaker 6: with the forty time with him, it looks plenty fast
Speaker 6: when you watch him play, Like, to me, that's not
Speaker 6: a prospect that you should overthink. I think Ted McMillan's
Speaker 6: the best wide receiver in this draft class, and I
Speaker 6: wouldn't move him there based on, oh, he didn't run
Speaker 6: an X amount of forty times. So I do think
Speaker 6: there's a couple of these prospects. To your point, Will
Speaker 6: Campbell's another one good player, right, but there's been the
Speaker 6: conversations he tackle?
Speaker 4: Is he a guard? Bobby?
Speaker 6: I heard you make the comment about Rashaun Slater. They
Speaker 6: had that same conversation about with the arm length, the
Speaker 6: gold Campbell's tape is pretty darn good. Now when he
Speaker 6: plays against one guy from South Carolina that I throw
Speaker 6: out is a not overthinking player, Kyle Canard.
Speaker 4: Kyle Canard's a dude that is just absolutely productive.
Speaker 6: And I think Kyle Canard is one of these guys
Speaker 6: that's being slept on as an edge rusher and he's
Speaker 6: gonna end up being like a Byron Young, a Kobe Turner,
Speaker 6: one of these guys that a key on White that
Speaker 6: ends up sliding maybe to the day two, second third round,
Speaker 6: ends up being one of the better pass rushers in
Speaker 6: this draft class.
Speaker 3: You say, what Ted McMillan and not overthinking tet Before
Speaker 3: we get away from that well too much, there was
Speaker 3: a video that did pop up this past weekend on
Speaker 3: social media where he was talking about how he did
Speaker 3: not like watching football and he did not like watching film.
Speaker 3: Does something like that play a factor in to overthink
Speaker 3: because again, it's a factor, like Bobby said, that's outside
Speaker 3: of film, but it does have to do with the film, right.
Speaker 4: Does that play a factor at all in the way
Speaker 4: that you look at McMillan and the way that he
Speaker 4: moves forward.
Speaker 6: Well, you gotta find out does he is it? I
Speaker 6: just don't like watching football, or do you not love football?
Speaker 6: And I do think that that's an old video apparently
Speaker 6: that has surfaced that a couple of years, several years ago,
Speaker 6: so his mindset might have changed completely. And he didn't
Speaker 6: say I don't necessarily hate watching film. He just does
Speaker 6: it with the wide receiver group. He's not going to
Speaker 6: go seek it out necessarily by himself. So you talk
Speaker 6: about a guy that everything that I've been able to hear,
Speaker 6: high character, comes to work every day. That's a dude
Speaker 6: that hasn't given you any other problems off the field.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's an I don't love football. He
Speaker 6: just doesn't like watching football. And if you look at
Speaker 6: professionals across all sports, there's plenty that feel the same way.
Speaker 5: See Michael Parsons, Yeah, See Michael Mary Cooper, Yeah, see
Speaker 5: guys that you know. And this is a situation where
Speaker 5: if Ted McMillan didn't like football and you're watching his tape,
Speaker 5: you could tell that, yeah, you could tell. But but
Speaker 5: when you watch him, and right now we've got the
Speaker 5: highlights up of him just doing everything he can to
Speaker 5: get an extra yard or two, or to make a catch,
Speaker 5: or to sacrifice this body. You know, if you don't
Speaker 5: like football, you don't play well. And I and I
Speaker 5: and I was watching you know, Jesse Holly was making
Speaker 5: some comments about about that, you know, and he was saying, well,
Speaker 5: you lose that edge.
Speaker 4: You lose that edge when you don't.
Speaker 5: But you know, if if I had to ask you,
Speaker 5: guys right now, power rank how these linebackers have played
Speaker 5: here with the Dallas Cowboys, Michael Parsons, Sean Lee, and
Speaker 5: Leyton vander USh, what order would you put those guys in?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Michael would be at the top.
Speaker 5: The other two guys watch film extensively, Yeah, all the time.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 5: But you just guys just told me that Michael Parsons
Speaker 5: was the best player. You know, so there are guys
Speaker 5: that play this game. I mean, if he didn't love
Speaker 5: the game and he came out and said, man, I'm
Speaker 5: just playing this so I can open my ice cream
Speaker 5: shop or become a doctor, you know, pay met for
Speaker 5: medical school, that's a concern. But you watch his tape.
Speaker 5: Don't overthink this, don't overthink this.
Speaker 8: With this he doesn't look like like and I mean,
Speaker 8: obviously you don't want to totally interpret effort or other
Speaker 8: things based off the tape all the time, Like you
Speaker 8: don't want to say, oh, that person's lazy and a
Speaker 8: Baylor receivers used to run into that all the time,
Speaker 8: that's lazy when it.
Speaker 4: Was scheme part of what the game was.
Speaker 8: But I don't think when you watch tech Ncmillan play,
Speaker 8: like when you see him freelance and work back to
Speaker 8: the volunarer, different thing, that doesn't strike me as somebody
Speaker 8: who doesn't enjoy the game and enjoy what goes into it.
Speaker 8: And so to me, I think that he does. Does
Speaker 8: he show up like he looks like he studies all
Speaker 8: the time. That doesn't necessarily pop, But I mean he
Speaker 8: looks like a guy who is has a few for
Speaker 8: the game, enjoys it, enjoys playing it. Plenty of people
Speaker 8: enjoy playing sports and not watching them. People enjoy watching
Speaker 8: sports in person and not on TV. Yeah, Like, I mean,
Speaker 8: there's there's lots of different ways to explain that. I
Speaker 8: think LOFs loafs matter. And we don't see loas with him.
Speaker 8: You know, we don't see oh, I know the ball
Speaker 8: is not going to me. I'm just gonna kick it,
Speaker 8: Like we don't see that from him, And you know,
Speaker 8: as far as the whole film stuff goes. It took
Speaker 8: me a couple of days to think about this because
Speaker 8: I was befuddled when I first saw it because I
Speaker 8: thought about the the Headache guys or the they may
Speaker 8: not love ball guys. But but I think Dak will
Speaker 8: have something to say about that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, like he do, Hey, come.
Speaker 4: Go ask movie and twelve overall Pick City.
Speaker 7: Lamba has something to do with that. Right. If you're
Speaker 7: a role player with no leadership in this locker room,
Speaker 7: then we may have something to talk about then. But
Speaker 7: there's gonna be like if it is McMillan and he's here,
Speaker 7: there's gonna be a clear peck in order that he's
Speaker 7: gonna have to answer to as a young dude, and
Speaker 7: we're gonna have to go from there. Michael Parsons, who
Speaker 7: kind of just rolls off the couch as a guy,
Speaker 7: tank what you're gonna tell me? And you ain't got
Speaker 7: a sack in three years, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: So leadership mayn't matter there. I don't think this is
Speaker 7: going to be a big deal for this kid.
Speaker 5: I think, and this is this is this young man,
Speaker 5: this is unfortunate. I'm gonna bring this up. I don't
Speaker 5: think Diggs is that type of guy. I don't think
Speaker 5: Diggs is a guy that's what we consider a guy
Speaker 5: that's just gonna grind out on film and all that.
Speaker 5: And he's a natural player. You watch him play, you
Speaker 5: can watch him be in position, you know, you can
Speaker 5: watch it. There's a lot of natural ability. But they're
Speaker 5: guys in this team that aren't big film watchers. When
Speaker 5: tech nc Millan said that, and those guys saw that
Speaker 5: on social media, they're like, huh, that seems pretty interesting.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: There's some guys like huh, I can't believe you don't
Speaker 5: like film, And there's others like man that dude's got
Speaker 5: a lot of natural ability, you know, And so yeah,
Speaker 5: they're there are players in this league. And I brought
Speaker 5: up Diggs because I think Diggs is one of those
Speaker 5: guys that plays on a lot of feel you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, but you could study.
Speaker 5: But I'm I don't think he's one of those guys
Speaker 5: that's just kind of knocking it out every single day
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 8: Like what, I prefer somebody who does it that way. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I would prefer something like John Lee everywhere. Un Sure
Speaker 8: some people can can probably get away with less work
Speaker 8: than others. And you know what I mean, there were probably.
Speaker 5: I think Hunters that way in this draft. I think
Speaker 5: Hunter's I think Hunter is a player that plays with
Speaker 5: tremendous feet.
Speaker 4: He's a field player.
Speaker 6: I don't know that he's not putting the work though,
Speaker 6: to watch tape, I think he's probably he's a super
Speaker 6: high IQ.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's super smart.
Speaker 5: But when you watch him run routes and you watch
Speaker 5: him cover that, that is not a great route right there. No,
Speaker 5: I mean that is not a guy that's that is
Speaker 5: that is a guy who is has been touched by God. Yes,
Speaker 5: and you know mom and dad and and he is
Speaker 5: that type of a player. I think if I think this,
Speaker 5: and we had this discussion on one O five three
Speaker 5: the Fan yesterday on the g Bag Nation, I think
Speaker 5: if Hunter played one position, he would be great. Playing
Speaker 5: two positions, you might not get his absolute greatness out
Speaker 5: of this. Well.
Speaker 8: Is that is that where the lack of polish comes from?
Speaker 8: Because he's not a super polished corner either.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But how much I mean, you won you wonder how
Speaker 5: much does he really study? You know, you wonder and
Speaker 5: I'm not saying he's he's just completely doesn't do it.
Speaker 5: But I see a player when you watch him, when
Speaker 5: you watch him play the routes and stuff like that,
Speaker 5: they're not real. I mean a lot of it is
Speaker 5: kind of feel drive. I'm gonna turn it here, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna burst here, I'm gonna use my hands here. I
Speaker 5: mean there's things that he could do film wise to
Speaker 5: probably set guys up. I think he does it just
Speaker 5: by how.
Speaker 8: He plays, and I think he like because again, he
Speaker 8: is a I love the kid. He's a full time
Speaker 8: player on both sides. With him being a full time
Speaker 8: player on both sides, maybe he's not. God is like,
Speaker 8: I don't know that I have much time to like
Speaker 8: sit here and like start studying down on my technique
Speaker 8: and mechanics as a corner, because I gotta go do
Speaker 8: some practice exactly see, so that can can split you up.
Speaker 8: I would say this that I will as soon as
Speaker 8: he commits to one position and then as part time another,
Speaker 8: because I don't think he's gonna be full time at
Speaker 8: both anywhere. As soon as he commits to one, I
Speaker 8: think he's going to become a really good technician, really fast.
Speaker 4: Agreed, but like I said, that's that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: He doesn't have the time to.
Speaker 8: Because I don't know that there's a more naturally instinctive
Speaker 8: player at either people. And he's playing than an.
Speaker 4: All field, all freelances well. And he's a damn good
Speaker 4: athlete too. He's one of the best we've ever seen. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the athletic ability helps him hide a.
Speaker 8: Lot of THEA you can be a really hard worker
Speaker 8: and have no instincts, and and that can I mean
Speaker 8: that was I think that's for a long time what
Speaker 8: people felt like happened to Charles Tapper here. Outside of
Speaker 8: just the injuries, I think a lot of people felt
Speaker 8: like that guy worked, he was a good person, he
Speaker 8: had all the trades. He just had no instincts, And
Speaker 8: I think that was a big.
Speaker 4: For that position.
Speaker 5: It's hard to be that you can't play his position
Speaker 5: and not have instincts.
Speaker 3: So would you rather have the instincts as opposed to
Speaker 3: a film junkie as we were talking about a moment ago,
Speaker 3: I mean, you would.
Speaker 4: Like to have this, Yeah, he would love to have.
Speaker 6: I can't teach instincts. Yeah, you have the feel or
Speaker 6: you have instincts. You don't I can teach you how
Speaker 6: to watch tape.
Speaker 7: Yeah, film do it is awesome though, Man, I was
Speaker 7: just thinking about Leaf would have passed him because the
Speaker 7: boy I missed Lee, He's you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 7: if he was healthy, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 8: If Travis Hunter covered Travis Hunter for a full game,
Speaker 8: gets the better of him.
Speaker 5: I Travis Hunder the receiver. Wow, Travis Hunter the receiver.
Speaker 5: I think Travis Hunter could be an All Pro receiver
Speaker 5: in this league. So you think he could be a
Speaker 5: better receiver than a corner.
Speaker 4: I put him on my board as a receiver.
Speaker 5: I mean the more I watched him play, and it
Speaker 5: all goes back to studying Shador Sanders. It all goes
Speaker 5: back to that and watching him play, and I there
Speaker 5: are times when shardor Sanders is in complete trouble and
Speaker 5: that guy bails him out. And so to me, if
Speaker 5: and I I know, watch and I haven't talked about
Speaker 5: this on our show, but I the more and we
Speaker 5: did these quarterbacks late and I started the more I watched.
Speaker 5: The more I watch, the more I watch him like
Speaker 5: that guy right there could be an All Pro wide receiver.
Speaker 7: Would you say that the cornerback Travis is better now,
Speaker 7: but the wide receiver Travis has more room to gro.
Speaker 4: I think I think I think it's the opposite. I
Speaker 4: think that wide receiver's better now.
Speaker 8: The corner's got I think I think the the traits
Speaker 8: for him as a receiver are I think ridiculous for
Speaker 8: him to be an elite run.
Speaker 5: I think he could do more damage to you as
Speaker 5: an opponent, sure playing wide receiver than he can't corner.
Speaker 4: That's the nature of the position, though right there a
Speaker 4: certain ex Yeah you could not. He could.
Speaker 5: He could do damage by not throwing his direction.
Speaker 4: Yeah that could be. That could be.
Speaker 5: But you watch him play down after down after down,
Speaker 5: Like I say, watch, and I got on these quarterbacks late.
Speaker 5: I feel like I got on him late. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Watch.
Speaker 7: I know I wouldn't watch.
Speaker 5: You weren't gonna watch. And I respected that because I've
Speaker 5: been in your shoes. I've been in that guysh I
Speaker 5: do not want to watch these guys can. But the
Speaker 5: more you watch Door Sanders throw the football, you realize
Speaker 5: how special that number twelve is.
Speaker 3: So Bobby, just to feel around the league, does anybody
Speaker 3: kind of agree with that sentiment about the wide receiver?
Speaker 3: Because I had him on my board.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people, I think a lot
Speaker 5: of teams.
Speaker 8: I think I think there are more people that have
Speaker 8: him as a receiver than like to think he would
Speaker 8: be a better receiver. So it's split. I think there
Speaker 8: are some people who believe he's a better receiver. He's
Speaker 8: more valuable at corner, so we wouldn't playhim at corner.
Speaker 8: He's a better corner than he is a receiver. He's
Speaker 8: pretty split. We're gonna play him, But I think it's
Speaker 8: it's kind of all over the place. I do think
Speaker 8: that there's a growing contingent because it's very fractured in
Speaker 8: general how people feel about But I think there's a
Speaker 8: growing group that views it the way Brian does, that
Speaker 8: he'd be a better receiver. But ultimately I think most
Speaker 8: teams would play him at corner, yeah, because they would
Speaker 8: just say.
Speaker 5: I know the Patriots are good play at wide receiver.
Speaker 5: They're not gonna playm.
Speaker 8: At Cleveland's talked about playing them at receiver.
Speaker 5: But I fear as the Giants pick him at three,
Speaker 5: if you're a Cowboy fan, you.
Speaker 6: Should fear that now you've got a hunter and neighbors
Speaker 6: that could be very scary yeah, then you'll see.
Speaker 5: Yeah, then they picked mill Road and drop the second
Speaker 5: and away we go right, stop the run and the receiver.
Speaker 8: That's be great. They couldn't complete a pass that would
Speaker 8: be helpful old school football.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Does this whole work hard thing matter more for the
Speaker 7: later round guys than the super talented dudes, Like if
Speaker 7: I got a second round guy he doesn't work hard,
Speaker 7: he's more likely to be a buzzed like a super
Speaker 7: talented you know, Travis hunt to type.
Speaker 4: I think that goes back to what Zach was talking about.
Speaker 3: You can't teach instincts, and a lot of times, if
Speaker 3: you have instincts, you're gonna go early in the draft, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because if you're not, you're getting knocked for certain elements,
Speaker 3: pros and cons of your game. And that's when you
Speaker 3: slide to the second, the third, the fourth round, and
Speaker 3: then get into Day three. I think if you have
Speaker 3: those instincts, and you have that and you can pair
Speaker 3: it with the tape and the relentless studying, then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden you have the perfect prospects. And those
Speaker 3: are the guys that are very rare up at the
Speaker 3: top of the draft that don't have those red flag.
Speaker 5: I think guys like Perish from Kansas State. I think
Speaker 5: Huzzy from North Carolinaup. I think who else had got
Speaker 5: that Mohammed.
Speaker 4: If you're undersized, you're already kind of working with something
Speaker 4: a limiting go. Yeah, you better be studying.
Speaker 5: You better be kind of figuring out how to do
Speaker 5: things because you you're talented for your position, you're kind
Speaker 5: of a specialist in some ways. But you better know
Speaker 5: who you're playing against now.
Speaker 6: Because you're gonna have to, you know, make the team
Speaker 6: on special teams. Right, You're gonna have to put in
Speaker 6: the extra effort. You're gonna have to be able to make sure, hey,
Speaker 6: I can tackle, I'm coming in here. When you're one
Speaker 6: of these premier athletes, there's a reason you're probably being
Speaker 6: picked in the first round. Now, when it comes to
Speaker 6: being good versus great, the guys that might want to
Speaker 6: put in the extra time, they're gonna put in the
Speaker 6: film work, They're gonna stay after and work the jugs
Speaker 6: machine after practice. Maybe that sets you apart. Maybe that's
Speaker 6: from a pro bowler. Now, I'm an all pro type
Speaker 6: of guy. I'm a ten year old, decade team type
Speaker 6: of player versus just being one of the best top
Speaker 6: ten in my position. That that's where you can start
Speaker 6: fight with the elite talent.
Speaker 8: That's where Nate Newton has talked about before. Where he
Speaker 8: found Margins was he he saw Troy Aikman work and
Speaker 8: he went, I don't want to let him down. And
Speaker 8: he's like, that was the biggest motivating factor he ever
Speaker 8: had to work was Aikman and the way that he worked. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and the way that then he was like, I can't
Speaker 8: let this guy down. I can't let this guy's work
Speaker 8: go for nothing. So I need to work. And he said,
Speaker 8: Troy getting here and Troy showing his work ethic is
Speaker 8: what made Nate from just you know, decent player for
Speaker 8: seven eight years whatever was to one of the best
Speaker 8: offensive linemen and football for six year run.
Speaker 7: I was just thinking about Terror Steele, right, Like he
Speaker 7: came from this offense where they throw the ball fifty times.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 7: But the coach said, oh, he work hard, you work hard,
Speaker 7: and now he can run black his as he's a
Speaker 7: run blocking offensive lineman. Now you know, I'm saying, brock
Speaker 7: Hoff and we as much as I rolled my eyes
Speaker 7: about up whole brock works hard. Oh, brock works.
Speaker 6: But I think you just answered your own question because
Speaker 6: those are undrafted free agent guys, right, That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: that they got to work.
Speaker 4: To get to where they're going.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but we don't hear him saying about Tyler Smith.
Speaker 7: And this ain't me saying Tyler Smith don't work hard.
Speaker 7: Tyler Smith guy like God gifts. He just rolled out
Speaker 7: the big whoopen focus is probably a little different and.
Speaker 4: He may work just as hard. He probably worked just right.
Speaker 3: Type of stuff is gonna not that's gonna come second
Speaker 3: to you destroying guys at the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 3: absolutely blocking half of the defense half the time.
Speaker 8: But that is also the difference between Tyler Smith being
Speaker 8: a second team All Pro and still waiting for Tyler
Speaker 8: Smith to click. It is because Tyler Smith works. And
Speaker 8: that's one of the things that the Cowboys worked on
Speaker 8: in the process was they went, all right, we know
Speaker 8: he's a good student, we know that he takes to coach,
Speaker 8: and he's young. This will come into place. Whereas if
Speaker 8: they didn't have that or he was into worker, you'd
Speaker 8: probably be dealing with a lot more frustrating places from
Speaker 8: Tyler Smith. Over the last three years.
Speaker 5: Can I throw one more guy and that that. Don't
Speaker 5: overthink my over just go and drafted one technique at twelve.
Speaker 5: Is that what you exactly?
Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, Brian, get Dereck Harmon.
Speaker 5: Don't overthink Baron, Baron, don't over don't overthink Texas Corner.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 7: Jean Lewison take it. He's been he's been a little
Speaker 7: guy here for eight years old.
Speaker 5: Don't overthink that play. Please, don't over think that.
Speaker 3: Any other names that you guys have out there that
Speaker 3: you don't want to overthink.
Speaker 8: Jalen Walker, like in terms of just I know you
Speaker 8: can't figure out what to do with him necessarily. A
Speaker 8: lot of I know exactly what, Yeah, you know, but
Speaker 8: there's people who feel like he's tweener or whatever, like
Speaker 8: you know, position list. Figure you'll figure something out. He's
Speaker 8: a good player, You'll figure something out. So don't let
Speaker 8: that paralyze that worry you.
Speaker 5: Though, when when guys remember the guy Simmons that was
Speaker 5: that clem has bounced around a little bit.
Speaker 4: Does it were you that a guy like that? Though?
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just talking about we don't know what position.
Speaker 8: Shack of all trades means.
Speaker 5: We're not a linebacker in safety and then they don't
Speaker 5: play him either.
Speaker 8: One in these Yeah, Jabrill Peppers ran into that for
Speaker 8: for a long time. But I mean that you for
Speaker 8: all those that you have, you also then have like
Speaker 8: Shaq Thompson who turns into a good football player. And
Speaker 8: so to me, I think Walker is just one of
Speaker 8: those where he's going to be a good football player.
Speaker 8: And I think that you shouldn't overthink him too much,
Speaker 8: don't prioritize him over a Travis Hunter or somebody else.
Speaker 8: Just genty for me, But you know, I think that
Speaker 8: Walker is one that I wouldn't want to overthink too much.
Speaker 8: And then I think one of the other ones that
Speaker 8: stands out for me. And I don't know how much
Speaker 8: other people are. We already mentioned McMillan. One of their
Speaker 8: names are wrote down. Is because I have seen some
Speaker 8: people talk about like they just don't trusted Buka's speed
Speaker 8: and he's won that right now. That is I told
Speaker 8: you this, Zach, that the guy.
Speaker 4: He reminds me of the rest of us.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean we're on the phone, we're talking about
Speaker 8: player comps. The guy he reminds me of. Honestly, when
Speaker 8: I went back and looked at my notes and everything else.
Speaker 8: It's Cooper Cup. That's who he reminds me of. And
Speaker 8: I think he's got better speed than Cooper Cup. But
Speaker 8: the type of player he is, the way he tracks
Speaker 8: the ball down the field, the way that he works
Speaker 8: in zone, the way that he is, you know, slot specific,
Speaker 8: the type of build that he has, that is who
Speaker 8: he reminds me of to a great extent. Is Cup
Speaker 8: coming out of Eastern Wall?
Speaker 5: Is he a first round player in any other draft?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 8: I mean I have him top of the second.
Speaker 5: I don't even have okay, because I know you you
Speaker 5: had you have first, right first for them the first,
Speaker 5: but you have Golden above him, right, Okay, But in
Speaker 5: any other draft, I take Bobby out of this because
Speaker 5: he's actually going We'll see if he's right last year's class, now,
Speaker 5: last year's class, any class, any last three classes.
Speaker 4: Probably not no, probably not right? No?
Speaker 5: No, okay, would you No? I'm just saying, I think
Speaker 5: to me, because he is the last guy. I mean,
Speaker 5: if I've got fifteen players, and he's likely either fourteen
Speaker 5: or fifteen when I stacked.
Speaker 6: But heck, we had Alad McConaughey going around two last year,
Speaker 6: and that dude, Oh no, I mean so he I think,
Speaker 6: no matter.
Speaker 4: What people would have been a really good player. But yeah,
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, no doubt fifth that.
Speaker 6: The other one that I threw out there is Donovan
Speaker 6: Jackson out of Ohio State, and we've talked about a
Speaker 6: lot of guards. Donovan Jackson to me, I ended up
Speaker 6: putting him as my last fifteenth first round grade. I
Speaker 6: just think he's a stuff. I think he's gonna end
Speaker 6: up being a really take Booker over Booker. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: just I just think he's a ten year player that's
Speaker 6: going to be really, really good. He's got better feet
Speaker 6: than Booker does. He can also move people off the
Speaker 6: line of scrimmage. He's not quite the maller. He's doesn't
Speaker 6: have quite the power that Booker does. But I was
Speaker 6: so impressed with his ability to kick outside play left
Speaker 6: tackle during that championship run for Ohio State. Kind of
Speaker 6: gave me Joe Tooney vibes, right, who's been an excellent
Speaker 6: guard his entire career. Then in a pinch, he's got
Speaker 6: a kick out the left tackle and until the Super
Speaker 6: Bowl he's not getting his ass totally kicked. So to me,
Speaker 6: I love Donovan Jackson. I think he's he's the guy
Speaker 6: that is going to be a good.
Speaker 4: Pro no matter what's standing up on the table right there. No,
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 7: He can stand out to light. But he said the
Speaker 7: right thing. He's not as powerful as but not powerful. Okay, cool,
Speaker 7: I'll con see that anything.
Speaker 4: I think his game overall, I like a little more.
Speaker 4: You like who you like.
Speaker 7: That's cool, look a better, but you like who you like.
Speaker 7: I love Donovan too, though Donovan is a dude, and
Speaker 7: I love that football thing where you go, I'll play
Speaker 7: left tackle the car he.
Speaker 4: Just stood left tackle.
Speaker 7: Booker can't play left tackle. But if I'm drafting the guard,
Speaker 7: that don't matter to me, because you do that same
Speaker 7: thing with with the Banks. You'll go, oh, Banks is
Speaker 7: a guard, and then you'll go, but I got tackle tackle.
Speaker 7: But you will say, let men, may I finishing something
Speaker 7: something I didn't know because you were on the internet.
Speaker 7: You say, well, I'll put Banks at guard, and then
Speaker 7: I'll ask you, well, is Banks are better guard than Booker?
Speaker 7: And you will bring up Banks playing tackle, just like
Speaker 7: you will do with with Donovan. If I'm just looking
Speaker 7: for a guard, I think personally, Booker is a better
Speaker 7: guard than both of them.
Speaker 5: I hate position flexibility.
Speaker 4: You know that.
Speaker 7: Oh well you well, we shouldn't be talking about uh
Speaker 7: uh Banks playing guard or.
Speaker 4: And you're sticking.
Speaker 7: You must just change your mind on that because you've
Speaker 7: be saying Banks at guard for a while.
Speaker 5: No, I absolutely changed my mind on that.
Speaker 7: Why you act like you? Why you act like you
Speaker 7: have no clue what I'm talking about? You had him
Speaker 7: at goal?
Speaker 4: I absolutely no, No, I just flip flopped down.
Speaker 5: So the consideration of him, I sure, I personally I don't.
Speaker 5: I'm worried about and play in either spot.
Speaker 7: To be honest with you, I take that too. Lay
Speaker 7: film when is good exactly? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3: All right, we got to take our first break when
Speaker 3: we come back. We got some Twitter on the twenty.
Speaker 3: Maybe one of these guys has Banks.
Speaker 4: At a tackle or at a guard.
Speaker 3: We'll see what they think overall, but send it your
Speaker 3: questions Twitter on the twenty.
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Speaker 4: It is a great weekend you got to think about.
Speaker 4: So Saturday is when we got to get the breakfast tacos.
Speaker 5: Yeah, at the breakfast tacos. Well, I'll take care of that.
Speaker 4: I feel like it needs to be a rookie thing.
Speaker 5: Now we're a rookie veteran.
Speaker 7: Tom the Tommy and Hazen. Don't bother me, y'all.
Speaker 8: Tommy's driving fifty miles away. I'm not drinking. I'm not
Speaker 8: eating cold breakfast burritos from Tommy.
Speaker 4: So we could get him over here.
Speaker 7: That's so far.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're right, Yeah, him and Nick a far.
Speaker 5: We'll they live in like Princeton. I'll tell you what
Speaker 5: this jersey about the third day. What I really like
Speaker 5: about the third day because I think that it's really
Speaker 5: kind of where you can dig in on some guys.
Speaker 5: It's something that's we're tuning in that hour before the
Speaker 5: actual draft. Yes, we have that opportunity, and thanks to
Speaker 5: Roxanne and Chris, those guys in the back of them
Speaker 5: grabbing coaches and scouts and stuff, and man, you get
Speaker 5: some super insight of some of the picks that were
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Speaker 5: So courage you all three days to watch. But man,
Speaker 5: day three, that hour before it's one of my favorite
Speaker 5: times to kind of get an insight of what they
Speaker 5: were thinking when they were picking these players.
Speaker 4: That might be the most informational hour of radio.
Speaker 14: You could ask, Oh no, I mean, it really is
Speaker 14: a lot of fun, like getting to talk with Chris
Speaker 14: Vaughan Ross Whinch, like all the scouts are they're awesome,
Speaker 14: and then the position coaches like Londa Wells comes.
Speaker 4: In just ripping with swag. We're the cowboy hat.
Speaker 6: And then it's awesome when you get the position coach
Speaker 6: and they've drafted somebody in that position group and you
Speaker 6: kind of get a feel for like what is the vision,
Speaker 6: what's playing?
Speaker 3: Well a lot of times you get the story too,
Speaker 3: why they were the track, why you end up doing that.
Speaker 4: But it's a pleasure.
Speaker 3: It really really super informative and and I mean I
Speaker 3: think we're like three years in a row running where
Speaker 3: we've made like a documentary from those clips, Like not
Speaker 3: us making the documentary, but like those clips have been
Speaker 3: used in some documents.
Speaker 4: That's awesome across the board because it's it is.
Speaker 3: It's an informational uh vast majority of that hour and
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Speaker 7: Question, Oh my gosh, you can't take over water. On
Speaker 7: the twenty me and Woodchuck was talking as I'm taking
Speaker 7: over Twitter.
Speaker 5: On becoming and was just talking Derek Eagleton watching this
Speaker 5: right now, I hope back.
Speaker 7: Listen, Well, we're all watching film and evaluating players, right
Speaker 7: and me and Brod has mentioned this for one week
Speaker 7: and we just didn't bring it back up.
Speaker 15: Uh huh.
Speaker 7: When a players played football for like five or six
Speaker 7: years and they only got one good year or like, damn,
Speaker 7: you been playing football and you still can't contain, You
Speaker 7: still can't do X y Z. They still get you on.
Speaker 4: That, all these COVID guys.
Speaker 7: How do you account for that when you're breaking down
Speaker 7: these guys, perfect example, Kara prinslely oh mam and yelling
Speaker 7: he almost got it, boy, he been he been playing
Speaker 7: football for a minute. Yeah, played in Florida and came
Speaker 7: on the old miss and they still take him off
Speaker 7: the field on rundowns and he's a great pass rusher,
Speaker 7: but they still don't trust him to do the fundamental
Speaker 7: football stuff. Right, But you've been playing for so long.
Speaker 7: What have you been doing some of those years?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 7: So maybe just in the back of my mind we
Speaker 7: just talked about overthinking, maybe that accounts for something when
Speaker 7: I'm moving up and down on board.
Speaker 3: No, it does, and I think the COVID years added
Speaker 3: an extra element into that, right, A lot of these
Speaker 3: guys and this is probably the end of thank god,
Speaker 3: but it adds an extra thing to where you've been
Speaker 3: in the in the college ranks for how long. I
Speaker 3: mean there are some guys. I mean you mentioned de Royo.
Speaker 3: I mean that's a player for me. It's like Darri Porter,
Speaker 3: the corner from Iowa State, Like, that's you guy. Now
Speaker 3: he converted from wide receiver to corner and he's the
Speaker 3: guy that I'm seeing is like a day two pick.
Speaker 3: His measurables are there for him, but he's essentially like
Speaker 3: a glorified special teams player.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but a lot of that's really what he was.
Speaker 3: A lot of times we're quick to dismiss and Brian
Speaker 3: brings it up every once in a while, but we're
Speaker 3: quick to dismiss the transfer portal and how these guys
Speaker 3: bounce from one school next because it's just the norm now, right.
Speaker 4: I think the same thing.
Speaker 3: Can be said for these extra years of eligibility and
Speaker 3: along the way.
Speaker 4: You just got to have to keep it in the
Speaker 4: back of your head when you're evaluating these.
Speaker 5: Would you consider that? And I know you and I've
Speaker 5: had this discussion about Shuck. So the quarterback, why is
Speaker 5: he still doing that?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 7: Says he's doing you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, seven years, a couple of broken collar bones, broken
Speaker 5: femur along the way, you know. I mean, is it
Speaker 5: is that seven years good for him? Are bad for him?
Speaker 7: I think ultimately is gonna be bad form I think
Speaker 7: it's going to impact him negatively. But I think some
Speaker 7: team is gonna look at traits and they're gonna look
Speaker 7: at the idea that we don't know what the hell
Speaker 7: we're doing with quarterback in the first place. And he
Speaker 7: does at gamble on him. But but you know, but
Speaker 7: with his traits though, some team would be like, oh,
Speaker 7: that's a second those a second round.
Speaker 4: He's the prototype.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, but he thought the box to the
Speaker 7: other team for no reason. Yeah, and that'll be the
Speaker 7: reason why he'll probably be the Day three guy. So
Speaker 7: is its me something?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 8: Day three?
Speaker 3: It's eleven thirty six. We're gonna get to twitter on
Speaker 3: the sorry fotch on the twenty all right, everybody twenty
Speaker 3: Cowboys buzz on Twitter?
Speaker 4: Once?
Speaker 5: Another name one player we could see at twelve that's
Speaker 5: not considered a top position of need, keeping that.
Speaker 4: Player or best player?
Speaker 5: What everybody wants to draft a tight end.
Speaker 6: As a conversation, whys quarterback out of Colorado?
Speaker 4: Quarterback's not a position in need? R it is? You
Speaker 4: got Dak Prescott. I think you did today.
Speaker 6: I think every other position you could say is of need.
Speaker 6: But if Shador Sanders is there at twelve. I think
Speaker 6: you've got to have that conversation, and I would take it.
Speaker 8: What's player?
Speaker 4: Whoa whoa?
Speaker 12: Whoa?
Speaker 15: Whoa?
Speaker 4: What what was that last part?
Speaker 6: I would I would take him, Sorry, Bobby, I would
Speaker 6: take him.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, what's the quarterback Cowboys?
Speaker 8: This is this, uh, this specific question. We're talking about
Speaker 8: a player that could be there one one we think
Speaker 8: they realistically could take because they're not taking.
Speaker 4: It or I don't think it's well but either jerial stance.
Speaker 8: So we're so we're talking about players we think they
Speaker 8: could realistically take who are not considered a position. Correct, Yes,
Speaker 8: Tyler Warren, That's.
Speaker 4: What I just said.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's that's tight end.
Speaker 5: I mean I get more, I get more likely Fergie's
Speaker 5: not any good and you know, Bergie struggled with some
Speaker 5: He's a good player, he's a good player.
Speaker 4: But that's what I'm saying, struggled last year, my guy.
Speaker 5: I kind of feel like back to quick, I feel
Speaker 5: like Mason Taylor. If you need to take a tight end,
Speaker 5: look take him Mason Taylor.
Speaker 8: But definitely take Mason.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think I.
Speaker 5: Think to be the you know what, Bobby, huh, forty
Speaker 5: four of them's got a great family.
Speaker 3: Jason Taylor does a lot of stuff in the community,
Speaker 3: Thomas see you, and this doesn't work from five thirty
Speaker 3: to two.
Speaker 5: But no, I I think I can say I everybody's
Speaker 5: about drafting Warren at twelve, and I you know, I
Speaker 5: like Warnt, but man, there's just and it answers the
Speaker 5: question because yeah, you would, that's a position that he
Speaker 5: would probably take, But you don't need I don't.
Speaker 8: Think here's the problem. What don't they need right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I think you could argue like every spot, except they
Speaker 6: do have a quarterback on their contract.
Speaker 4: That's why I just went through out your door.
Speaker 8: So I have a quarterback and they have.
Speaker 5: They might tell you that, they might tell you they
Speaker 5: don't need a safety, but even though they're bringing even
Speaker 5: they're bringing one in.
Speaker 3: But is there a safety available at twelve that you
Speaker 3: would take? I mean, would you go up the twelve? No,
Speaker 3: I'm just saying just saying a position. Sure it is
Speaker 3: this saying a position.
Speaker 7: But the Cowboys needing everything is the reason why I
Speaker 7: wouldn't draft Warn. I think tight end is just so luxury.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. I can't pass on a
Speaker 7: great edge or a wide receiver or a corner for
Speaker 7: a tight end, is it. I mostly feel like quarterbacks
Speaker 7: elevate tight ends anyway, you know, like your tight end
Speaker 7: is kind of sort of what your quarterback is. Sometimes,
Speaker 7: you know, Bottles can elevate the raiders or whatever. He's special.
Speaker 7: For the most part, a nonsense tight end can be
Speaker 7: elevated by a great quarterback. I think Jake Ferguson. I
Speaker 7: ain't saying he's nonsense guy, but he's been elevated by force.
Speaker 7: I think as long as you got four, you have
Speaker 7: a tight end. But just because you got four don't
Speaker 7: mean you got right guard or age or wire receiver
Speaker 7: two or Quanta two.
Speaker 3: And remember the connection that Ferguson and Dak had had
Speaker 3: when they were both healthy for an entire season.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 3: I think Tyler Warren's the first round player. I think
Speaker 3: he's a great prospect at twelve. I think there are
Speaker 3: other needs, I really do, And that's kind of where
Speaker 3: I'm at now.
Speaker 5: I want to circle about three technique that's all day,
Speaker 5: every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a need though, wouldn't it be well,
Speaker 3: I guess you have and Thomas right, Yeah, that would fit,
Speaker 3: that would fit.
Speaker 8: That yeah, I just I wouldn't take one. What I'm saying, yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Would Nolan then at twelve probably, and now I could
Speaker 6: see them maybe taking Walterland, but I'd rather go like
Speaker 6: Derek Harrimon or Kenneth Grant, like one of the one texts.
Speaker 4: I agree. I'm just saying that three.
Speaker 7: But you're right, Yeah, I would just take Mason Graham
Speaker 7: playing at one text sometimes and Solomon Thomas would just
Speaker 7: cease to exist from you, or just put him at
Speaker 7: five or something you like, if you have an opportunity
Speaker 7: to check Mason, if you just get.
Speaker 6: Them, hey, maybe you move up and go get Mason Graham.
Speaker 6: You do a lot straight up.
Speaker 3: You're trying to drafts all of our draft capital the
Speaker 3: Draft Show.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to throw out some hubbing the water.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what it is. I said this on the fan
Speaker 3: actually this past weekend. But the the thought process around
Speaker 3: Jerry having a conversation when Shador is there at twelve,
Speaker 3: if he had a.
Speaker 4: Conversation for Johnny Manziel the.
Speaker 3: Way, if Sanders is there, absolutely will No.
Speaker 8: I'm just saying sure, yeah, they'll talk like I mean,
Speaker 8: just like they talk. Don't think it'll happen Yeah, I'm calling.
Speaker 4: Bobby.
Speaker 5: You think they would have Sanders over Ward.
Speaker 8: M oh Man, I know most of the league does.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 8: In fact, I know that there's a lot of people
Speaker 8: in the league who have Dart above Sanders and have
Speaker 8: Shuck over Sanders, and so I mean there's a lot
Speaker 8: more split opinions on Shudor. I feel like I just
Speaker 8: I think that they will probably end up having Ward higher,
Speaker 8: is what I would guess. But obviously Ward's not gonna
Speaker 8: be there. He's gonna be the first quarterback off the board.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: John wants to know if the Cowboys were guaranteed to
Speaker 3: take a wide receiver in the second round. Sitting there
Speaker 3: at forty four, who would be the best fit for
Speaker 3: this team at wide.
Speaker 4: Receiver at forty four?
Speaker 6: Trey Harris best fit, Trey Harris's best you should make
Speaker 6: a case for I'd go Trey Harris at ole Miss.
Speaker 6: I've got him a little higher than Besh and I
Speaker 6: think he compliments Cede Lamb well. He does a little
Speaker 6: bit of different things than what CD, but we're.
Speaker 4: Thinking the same type.
Speaker 6: Right, Edgig, bigger body and bes Besch would be my
Speaker 6: second option to Trey Harris. There because I've got Jalen
Speaker 6: Royal Sandwich right in between them and my stack.
Speaker 4: But Royle is a little bit of a smaller player, see,
Speaker 4: but you can put that rot and be okay.
Speaker 6: No roy and Royal's He reminds me a lot of
Speaker 6: Steve Smith. I mean he's a thick build, explosive and
Speaker 6: in the open field. Uh, you can do a lot
Speaker 6: with him. He can play on the outside more than
Speaker 6: some of these other smaller slot guys. But Trey harry Man,
Speaker 6: I think he'd be a great compliment to see thee Lamb.
Speaker 7: Physically, Hairs may be more impressive, but I think Besh
Speaker 7: and his route running in his feel, I think that's
Speaker 7: going to translate to deck a little bit better. That's
Speaker 7: just you know, that's just you know how from the
Speaker 7: Dallas connection and and oh we love a good story, Bobby.
Speaker 8: Come on, man, you got the family ties.
Speaker 7: Even though I got Besch higher, I got a two
Speaker 7: on Besh and a three on on Hairs. I just
Speaker 7: think Besh fits a.
Speaker 6: Little better well on Heck, Besha does have l s
Speaker 6: U wide receiver history, and we as a freshman, we
Speaker 6: know how the LSU wide receivers.
Speaker 4: So I'm not gonna fight it. You think I think
Speaker 4: I should.
Speaker 5: They're not looking at the big receiver opposite because of Mingo.
Speaker 7: I hope that ain't.
Speaker 4: Do you think they're they're looking away from it?
Speaker 5: You mean they're they're thinking that Mingo is their ex
Speaker 5: and they're gonna find somebody similar to.
Speaker 4: How Lamb plays. If I had the slot player.
Speaker 7: If I had to guess, the only guys that they're
Speaker 7: really accounting for is Lamb and Turping. If I had
Speaker 7: to guess, because tur just got money. But I would
Speaker 7: be gravely upset that they see, all right, we just
Speaker 7: going to lean into Mingo as big and maybe we'll
Speaker 7: get a depth piece of.
Speaker 4: Goal backup plan.
Speaker 5: Anybody want to bet lunch that that's when they get
Speaker 5: up there and talk, that's going to be the case
Speaker 5: that they're going to talk about Mingo When somebody asked
Speaker 5: a question about receiver, Mingo is going to be the
Speaker 5: first name out of their mouth.
Speaker 4: I think I would.
Speaker 3: I would agree with you, because especially this front office,
Speaker 3: they believe Mingo can be a guy.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: They traded a fourth round pick for him. I don't
Speaker 4: think they've given up on him yet.
Speaker 8: I'm I'm playing CD in the slot so often that
Speaker 8: I don't think you have like a you know, permanent
Speaker 8: X or Z, and so I'm not necessarily like gung
Speaker 8: ho about like I need to go get the bigger body,
Speaker 8: the guy. I would get his Jalen Dole. That's why
Speaker 8: I'd go get in the second Jalen Dole.
Speaker 4: We argued about him last week. I'm a fan. I
Speaker 4: think he's the better of.
Speaker 8: The time if you want to talk about again checking
Speaker 8: every box that Brian Schottenheim was talking about in terms
Speaker 8: of establishing culture here, that's the guy. But like like
Speaker 8: I think when you look at the tape now, there's
Speaker 8: obviously he's available in the second round for a reason.
Speaker 8: There's there's stuff I think with his routefficient see and
Speaker 8: some of the Polish it's not great. But I think
Speaker 8: the the traits are off the charts. I think the
Speaker 8: work ethic is really really high. You know. I was
Speaker 8: talking to Brent Callaway in Indianapolis who runs EXOS, and
Speaker 8: he was talking about Jalen and he said, he's the
Speaker 8: valedictorian of our performance program this year. That dude is
Speaker 8: always the first up, that he's an hour there's they're
Speaker 8: an hour before the workouts start. He is the one
Speaker 8: holding everybody accountable. He's the one saying, you know, lifting
Speaker 8: up the workouts. He is as hard a worker as
Speaker 8: I've ever had. I mean, he's somebody who I think
Speaker 8: everything you hear, he checks a ton of boxes for them.
Speaker 7: So Brian Mingo may keep them from going wide receiver
Speaker 7: in day two, there's no way that keeps them from
Speaker 7: looking at a wide receiver at twelve overall.
Speaker 5: Is no See, that's the question I'm asking, That's the quest.
Speaker 5: I mean, I I think they would take McMillan.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I would hope.
Speaker 5: I would think we Why.
Speaker 7: Do we have that? That's what I'm saying, Why do
Speaker 7: we have? Why is this a coin?
Speaker 4: Flip?
Speaker 7: Wise?
Speaker 3: Because they're multiple needs. It goes back to the conversation
Speaker 3: we just had. What don't they need at twelve?
Speaker 4: There's never gonna try to sell.
Speaker 7: There's never a world they should sell. Me mean, oh yeah,
Speaker 7: we look, we passed the home and look, Mengo is
Speaker 7: the best player on our board. If we put, if
Speaker 7: we put.
Speaker 4: They told they told me to say a top of
Speaker 4: the second round.
Speaker 7: Guy, they will say that to us. I'm just hoping
Speaker 7: that they don't look at McMillan and go, oh, well,
Speaker 7: we're gonna go with the corner that Brian doesn't like because.
Speaker 4: We got me Johnson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yea, yeah, yeah, that's a realistic scenario.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying I'd be sick.
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Speaker 3: I'll start with you on this one. I want to
Speaker 3: hear about Jamari Harris corner from Iowa.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jamari Harris. Let me get to Jamori Harrison. He
Speaker 5: is the starting left corner for the Hawkeyes and he
Speaker 5: plays a ton of zone coverage. He's got length, He's
Speaker 5: a smooth player. There's a Twitter cheat element to his game.
Speaker 5: The reactions to his ability to read the routes and
Speaker 5: stuff like that. He could run the route at times
Speaker 5: better than the receiver and coverage. You think he's guessing,
Speaker 5: but he really really isn't.
Speaker 4: He sees the.
Speaker 5: Development of the play, he's on top of it, and
Speaker 5: the ball skills are outstanding. He's in position for overthrows.
Speaker 5: There's just when quarterbacks tend to be reckless with the ball.
Speaker 5: This guy is kind of in that spot. I will
Speaker 5: say this though. You know you have to be able
Speaker 5: to understand this guy plays sideways a lot and then
Speaker 5: he adjust his route ass or he adjust his coverage
Speaker 5: as the route comes off. He he only has adequate
Speaker 5: top end speed. He really really does. Smith by Ohio
Speaker 5: State just ran right by him, and Smith runs by
Speaker 5: a lot of people.
Speaker 4: But you know, you've you've.
Speaker 5: Got to understand that this guy is really a zone player.
Speaker 5: He'll need some work as a man cover guy. If
Speaker 5: your scheme is really really zone heavy, this is your
Speaker 5: guy because he thrives playing this way six one, one
Speaker 5: ninety one and uh. But man, he will compete in
Speaker 5: the tackling aspect of it. And but like you say,
Speaker 5: it's it's really about being able to read and react,
Speaker 5: and that's what he does pretty well in his own coverage.
Speaker 6: And he's also one of these older guys. He's gonna
Speaker 6: be twenty five in September. N he's a six year guy. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he started twenty seven games. But you're right, Like the
Speaker 6: double moves that can get him and you can pick
Speaker 6: on him underneath. Now he'll come up and tackle. But
Speaker 6: when he's playing off, that's what you'll see a lot
Speaker 6: of teams. They're just gonna get the ball out quick
Speaker 6: to him. Now he's got to come up and make
Speaker 6: the play.
Speaker 4: It's always a little late too, Yeah, a little bit late.
Speaker 6: But he'll try and bait quarterbacks like you're right, Like
Speaker 6: he is very instinctive looking and king on the quarterback,
Speaker 6: reading the eyes and then he'll come up there. I mean,
Speaker 6: tremendous ball skills and the arm length is there to
Speaker 6: be able to come in and strike as soon as
Speaker 6: the ball lands. So he is an intriguing day three
Speaker 6: option if you don't land a cornerback in day one
Speaker 6: or two.
Speaker 8: He's instinctive. The awareness is really good. One hundred percent
Speaker 8: agree with everything Bright said about zone specific A guy
Speaker 8: who the top ends isn't there. The guy here reminded
Speaker 8: me of somebody here in Dallas who didn't play a time,
Speaker 8: but similar player coming out and some of the stuff
Speaker 8: we started in training camp. He reminds me a lot
Speaker 8: of Donovan Alumba when he was here. The same sort
Speaker 8: of like bigger guy, bigger build, without top end speed.
Speaker 4: You probably just kill him.
Speaker 8: In your eyes, he is Donovan Alumba. It's like I
Speaker 8: would have given donnov An Alumba more of a shot.
Speaker 8: I thought he was a good player, but zone specific,
Speaker 8: you're not do not. I would not throw him out
Speaker 8: there to play man coverage.
Speaker 3: And it was the Comeback Player of the Year honoree
Speaker 3: for IOWA in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: Suffered some injury in twenty twenty He.
Speaker 6: Also got suspended two games for gambling. Did he at Iowa? Yeah,
Speaker 6: he was cutting a little.
Speaker 4: I mean who hasn't. But hey, that's fine with me.
Speaker 4: Playing a little over under with you.
Speaker 7: That might have been more or less like gambling gamble.
Speaker 7: He was like shooting dice zone.
Speaker 4: No, I think it was like gambling. O.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I guess taking the unders on IOWA offense like
Speaker 8: everybody else.
Speaker 3: Daily Fantasy man get in all that? Why not yet, players,
Speaker 3: There's a lot of reason do not get in on it.
Speaker 3: Don't do that bad idea? All right, next one up,
Speaker 3: don't do bad idea. I forget me on the name pronunciation.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look it up as you as you guys
Speaker 3: give it. But Jay Tuya or Toya Toya.
Speaker 4: From is it Toya?
Speaker 8: I thought it was Toya?
Speaker 3: Is it Toya Toy? We'll go with Toya from UCLA
Speaker 3: interior defensive lineman. Who's got him?
Speaker 4: I'll take it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, massive noseman for the Bruins. He comes from a
Speaker 5: family of athletes, sure brothers, and he had a brother
Speaker 5: NFL player college players. This is a rugby family too,
Speaker 5: so if this he maybe has some little Jordan mile
Speaker 5: Lotta in his.
Speaker 4: In his blood.
Speaker 5: But he is from Tonga and and uh he has
Speaker 5: been a three year starter.
Speaker 4: There's some initial quickness.
Speaker 5: This guy six two three and forty two pounds, he
Speaker 5: could be a load to deal with inside. His first
Speaker 5: initial contact is pretty powerful and you kind of see
Speaker 5: blockers getting knocked back a little bit. And I thought
Speaker 5: the power and strenk was good. He's not a long
Speaker 5: arm guy, so he's just kind of there trying to
Speaker 5: eat up space in the way that he plays. His
Speaker 5: movement's not poor for his size, but you see him
Speaker 5: play down the line and up the field with chasing.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 5: He's got that nose tackle thickness to him. Will battle
Speaker 5: all kinds of blocks and he can cause problems as
Speaker 5: a pass rus or just on the penetration.
Speaker 4: Part of it.
Speaker 5: But if he has to start, stop then restart, he's
Speaker 5: likely going to get stuck along the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 5: and uh, I think that, you know, he has to
Speaker 5: keep moving in order to have a chance to make
Speaker 5: the play. Teams that run wide on him tend to
Speaker 5: give him more problems because he just can't get all
Speaker 5: the way to the outside there. So he's only had
Speaker 5: two sacks and three seasons, and so he needs to
Speaker 5: play in a technique where he could be a head
Speaker 5: up nose or just that one technique, but he will
Speaker 5: surprise you with his athletic ability.
Speaker 3: Is that the way an NFL team would look at
Speaker 3: him is if they're looking at him as a one
Speaker 3: tech and a guy that maybe could be a late day.
Speaker 5: Three rotation mids, I'd absolutely look at Yeah, there's several
Speaker 5: times you watch him play. I mean in the USC game,
Speaker 5: the Washing game, I mean, he's like head up nose
Speaker 5: and you know he's he's controlled. Those guys have a
Speaker 5: hard time moving him in ways. But I could say
Speaker 5: he's kind of he's his when he could go forward,
Speaker 5: he's really good. When he gets that momentum, he's hard
Speaker 5: to stop. But as I mentioned, start, stop, then restart,
Speaker 5: he's balls out. He's just gonna He kind of gets
Speaker 5: he kind of gets caught up along the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4: He moves pretty well for his size in the hustle
Speaker 4: and FX there.
Speaker 6: I mean, he ends up getting rewarded on some hustle
Speaker 6: plays by circling back and making a sack or or
Speaker 6: or a tackle against the run. And he shows some
Speaker 6: good awareness against the screens, able to sniff out a
Speaker 6: screen in the Iowa game. That was pretty darn impressive.
Speaker 4: I liked him. I liked him quite a bit as
Speaker 4: a Day three option.
Speaker 3: So I have found his pronunciation on the UCLA's athletic website.
Speaker 4: Heard Toya Toya Toya. There's three remember Saki, Siaka, Ika,
Speaker 4: brother Lash. Yeah they're related. Yeah, are they really? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, Toya is how you say his
Speaker 3: last name? But uh, but Votch, did you have anything
Speaker 3: on Toya?
Speaker 13: No?
Speaker 7: I mean I haven't seen him. He was way at
Speaker 7: the bottom my list, man, my bed, I know.
Speaker 3: You've seen Kevin what Winston, junior safety from sten State.
Speaker 4: Tell me about him.
Speaker 7: First thing. I want to, you know, look at when
Speaker 7: I see when I see these safeties, free safeties, I
Speaker 7: want to know ken they tackle and keviv Kevin went
Speaker 7: Kelvin Kevin Kevin Kevin Winston is a tackling fool, and
Speaker 7: I just stand up and clap every time I see
Speaker 7: him do it. But he's also a really good cover guy.
Speaker 7: You know, where there's one high too high, it's probably
Speaker 7: gonna be more of a too high kind of dude.
Speaker 7: I don't think he has the range to go from
Speaker 7: from one side of the field to the other numbers
Speaker 7: or whatnot. But I think just as a rangey dude,
Speaker 7: you know, high safety on the roof gy tackle. I
Speaker 7: think he's pretty good. I seen him walk him down
Speaker 7: sometimes they're walking down a strong I like him more
Speaker 7: back as a support tackle dude, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: But as a as a covering free sometimes tackling dude,
Speaker 7: I love him.
Speaker 6: He's an energy type of player, dude. He kind of
Speaker 6: kind of gives me like a little Earl Thomas vibes
Speaker 6: when you watch him. He's just a much bigger player
Speaker 6: than where Earl was and only one year of starting experience.
Speaker 6: But he can play all over the secondary. He he's
Speaker 6: got range, he can cover the slot, deep freeze you
Speaker 6: mentioned their vatch, can also play in the box. Consistent tackler,
Speaker 6: short area of quickness, explosiveness to make plays in space.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: The only negative really is he can be a little
Speaker 6: over aggressive, like he might He might just over pursue
Speaker 6: because he comes in like a Tasmanian devil overruns a play.
Speaker 6: But Kevin Winston Junior I was a huge fan, just
Speaker 6: was injured Week two of last season in practice, missed
Speaker 6: the whole season. So there's some injury background that you've
Speaker 6: got to kind of figure out with him. But a
Speaker 6: team captain, he's one of these, say another one of
Speaker 6: these safeties that can be a big time improvement for
Speaker 6: you have second round.
Speaker 4: Yeah, got the second that's yeah.
Speaker 3: And coming off of an injury like that, Like you said,
Speaker 3: it was a partially torn ACL. It's the season suffered
Speaker 3: again against Bowling Green. We were watching Fan and Junior
Speaker 3: the tight end, and he was going up against them
Speaker 3: for a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we ended up getting hurt. Uh, that's a high
Speaker 4: that's a high IQ player.
Speaker 8: By the way, I gotta watch him back, I guess
Speaker 8: because I watched him Luwaga and I did not see
Speaker 8: I did not see free at all. I think it's
Speaker 8: the best we're gonna talk about here. But that's a
Speaker 8: strong exclusive to me, that is a strong safety. Play
Speaker 8: him downhill, do not have him in coverage, is what
Speaker 8: I saw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great athletic build, sure tackler closing speed showed on
Speaker 3: tape as some of the notes that I've got. I
Speaker 3: didn't see a ton of vision. I didn't see that
Speaker 3: footwork and that that instinct that going downhill, kind of
Speaker 3: like what Bobby's saying.
Speaker 4: I didn't see a ton of coverage there.
Speaker 3: I watched him against West Virginia, and then I took
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three tape against Rutgers in Ohio State
Speaker 3: looked at him a little bit there. I think he
Speaker 3: can play downhill better than anybody. Maybe not better than
Speaker 3: anybody that's probably too much so, but probably up with
Speaker 3: the better safeties in this draft.
Speaker 5: I think cover tight ends. I mean his length, in
Speaker 5: his size, he could got. I saw a guy that
Speaker 5: can flip his hips and be able to run with receivers.
Speaker 5: But like I said, we'll have to see how the
Speaker 5: knee injury hurts his mobility on that especially change of direction.
Speaker 4: A little bit questionable there.
Speaker 3: Jake Brenning Stool we talked to him and tight end
Speaker 3: out of Clemson during our time at the senior ball.
Speaker 4: Why did you make that?
Speaker 7: I tell you what, man. When I was watching film
Speaker 7: on the first thing I thought was, boy, maya mccarthur
Speaker 7: lud his kid. They run some hitches and slants over there.
Speaker 4: Boy, Yeah, they do a lot of misdirection with him.
Speaker 7: A lot of run around the circle, run through the
Speaker 7: line of scrimmage, and get magically open some of those places.
Speaker 7: I hate those those plays you kin him open. I
Speaker 7: hate that, But most of his plays are we gonna
Speaker 7: run some hitches, We're gonna run some slams, were gonna
Speaker 7: run some hous. That's really what it is. Doesn't really
Speaker 7: have a have a deep game to him, you know.
Speaker 7: He he could be a somewhat yeat guy, like if
Speaker 7: he get a couple of steps, but they tackle him.
Speaker 7: For the most part, I didn't think he was. He
Speaker 7: was that big of a dude. And I think that
Speaker 7: they that they move him around because they just can't
Speaker 7: keep him in line. I don't think he's gonna block anybody.
Speaker 4: Him Ergatston.
Speaker 7: Uh, Syracuse. Yeah, I put gasing over him.
Speaker 4: It's a run day. Yeah, I play touching tags for me,
Speaker 4: but I have brending stool a little bit better.
Speaker 6: I liked it more than you did. At six six
Speaker 6: two forty one. Like he's a guy that I think
Speaker 6: can run the same. I think he can give you
Speaker 6: something down the field. Uh and first six six guy,
Speaker 6: He'll go down and catch some balls that are low
Speaker 6: on him too. He'll dig something out of the dirt
Speaker 6: for you. But you're right, he's used a ton in
Speaker 6: misdirection and you do see him engage in climb to
Speaker 6: the second level. He just doesn't have a ton of power,
Speaker 6: and there's not a lot of bend there either, because.
Speaker 4: He's such a tall guy. He's only two forty.
Speaker 6: But I mean to be yeah, he needs to put
Speaker 6: on some power, put on some weight. But as a
Speaker 6: number two tight end, that will develop over the course
Speaker 6: of his career. He could end up developing into an
Speaker 6: impactful player.
Speaker 3: He's a good route runner too, for a tight end.
Speaker 3: I thought he ran routes pretty well. He's a big
Speaker 3: play threat. They used him over the top quite a bit.
Speaker 3: Did anybody watched the SMU game.
Speaker 4: Miami, Wake, Forest and Georgia.
Speaker 7: That's a bad thing about tight ends two.
Speaker 5: He got tossed around pretty good in Get Yeah, our
Speaker 5: end roberts yet couple of times he's.
Speaker 8: Tough because he he looks like a receiver. He looks
Speaker 8: like a big receiver out there. He's not athletic enough
Speaker 8: to be a big receiver at the NFL level. Correct,
Speaker 8: that's the biggest thing. You play Gats in a big
Speaker 8: receiver then, I mean he's a Tweeners, so I mean
Speaker 8: probably I could see him playing big receiver. I could see.
Speaker 8: I think there's flexibility with Gats. The thing here with him,
Speaker 8: I don't think in line. I just watched him for
Speaker 8: the first time yesterday the Clemson No, the Clemson tight
Speaker 8: end Okay, I just watched him for the first time
Speaker 8: yesterday when we were talking about who we're going to discuss,
Speaker 8: and I see a guy who can be a contributor
Speaker 8: in a tight end room. I don't think that's ever
Speaker 8: going to develop into a starter.
Speaker 7: I wrote in here that he.
Speaker 8: Looks like a big receiver, doesn't have the athleticism or
Speaker 8: polished to transition. I think the lack of athleticism keeps
Speaker 8: defenders in his pocket pretty consistently, causes some some suffocation
Speaker 8: in man coverage. He sits down in his own he's
Speaker 8: pretty aware. He's good there are But I don't think
Speaker 8: you can just say, like, all right, that's our starting
Speaker 8: to I don't think that's going to be a guy
Speaker 8: he develops into at any point.
Speaker 4: No, it's a good point.
Speaker 3: And the guy that I compared him to when I
Speaker 3: was looking at the film and looking back at notes
Speaker 3: was Harrison Bryant from a couple.
Speaker 5: Of years ago.
Speaker 3: You remember sure six foot five, kind of undersized, slender
Speaker 3: build to him, and and Bryant to your point, Bobby
Speaker 3: never really stuck around to tight end, hadn't played very
Speaker 3: well with Cleveland still in the league. Currently, he's with
Speaker 3: the Eagles now he's this backup currently in Philadelphia, but was.
Speaker 4: With the Raiders last year.
Speaker 3: He's been on that to roster, but he's been a
Speaker 3: backup tight end and hasn't necessarily developed into a big
Speaker 3: play threat like they thought maybe out of the fourth
Speaker 3: round that they drafted him out of fau back in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty.
Speaker 8: I compared him to Doreel green Beckham with tease taber speed.
Speaker 4: That's what I okay, okay, well.
Speaker 8: Missuri Missouri, you love you loved Doreel greenback if we
Speaker 8: all did.
Speaker 4: I was looking at you, Bobby, and I was like, everybody's.
Speaker 8: Entitled that's twelve years ago that day.
Speaker 3: All right, that's gonna do it for us here on
Speaker 3: the Draft show. Hope you had some fun with us
Speaker 3: here with this next or this last hour.
Speaker 4: When we come back on Thursday, will officially be three
Speaker 4: weeks out from the NFL Draft. It is coming up
Speaker 4: very very.
Speaker 3: Quickly for Zach Wolchuck Bryan brought us watch from Barty
Speaker 3: Bobby Belt with Chris Beam and the back of Kyle
Speaker 3: Yeomans saying so long.
Speaker 4: We'll see on Thursday with more of the Draft show.
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