WEBVTT - The Feelings Behind the Finale • EP 822

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, friends, We've got a big announcement.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so exciting.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like we've gone too long without really dishing

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<v Speaker 3>any hot goss and I yeah, like we owe it

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<v Speaker 3>to the listeners today to just break them off a

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<v Speaker 3>juicy piece of goss.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it served piping hot.

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<v Speaker 3>He wants to be the one to open this gift.

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<v Speaker 4>Go on, Sophia, I see your excited smile.

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<v Speaker 2>I was about to be like, we all look so

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<v Speaker 2>excited about it. Guys, really, not only has it been

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<v Speaker 2>too long since we had, as Rob said, hot goss

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<v Speaker 2>for you, but we feel like it's been too long

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<v Speaker 2>since we've all been on stage with you.

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<v Speaker 4>So we've made some very exciting plans, and we hope

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<v Speaker 4>that you'll all make those plans with us. We're going

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<v Speaker 4>to be in Wilmington at Trick.

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<v Speaker 3>And we will be performing a three person production of

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<v Speaker 3>The Emperor's New Clothes. It'll be four hours of very

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<v Speaker 3>confusing acting. Now what we'd be doing there. We will

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<v Speaker 3>be a recording our finale episode live with all of you.

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<v Speaker 5>Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me emotional.

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<v Speaker 4>You said finale in my heart like broke.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the bitter part.

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<v Speaker 3>The sweet part is that we get to share it

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<v Speaker 3>with all the fans.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's true, That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what makes it so special.

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<v Speaker 4>We love you, guys, We love all the support that

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<v Speaker 4>you've brought to us over the years, not just for

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<v Speaker 4>Drama Queens, but Winter Hill in general. I mean, you've

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<v Speaker 4>been with us on this ride for so long, so

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<v Speaker 4>we really want to celebrate the end of this part

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<v Speaker 4>of Drama Queens with you, and we just hope that

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<v Speaker 4>you'll that you'll come out. So we've had some more

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<v Speaker 4>details here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we will be there. Thanks to our friends who

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<v Speaker 2>organize the most wonderful conventions that let us all come home.

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<v Speaker 2>We will be doing a live show at the next

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<v Speaker 2>convention on Saturday, November first. It'll be at seven pm,

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<v Speaker 2>and as Joy mentioned, we're doing this at trick Feels correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen and it starts at seven. Who knows when it's

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<v Speaker 1>good end Because all three of us love to talk.

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<v Speaker 3>We can get we can get it, we can get

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<v Speaker 3>a little along with it, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's going to be fun and none of us

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<v Speaker 3>want this to end, so maybe we just pull an

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<v Speaker 3>all nighter. I don't know, is what.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm lock in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll lock in, Oh my God, Yes, so fun. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's exciting too, because getting to do this on a

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<v Speaker 2>convention weekend means we get to be together. It means

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<v Speaker 2>so many of our other castmates will be there. It

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<v Speaker 2>means so many of you are already coming to Wilmington.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're on the fence, get off it and

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<v Speaker 2>book a ticket and come and join us.

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<v Speaker 3>Get off your fence already, Get off that fence.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's where you're gonna get your tickets.

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<v Speaker 4>It's ot H merch dot com slash Events o t

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<v Speaker 4>H Merch m e r c H dot com slash Events.

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<v Speaker 2>There's all sorts of tickets and packages and things, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it turns into a lock in.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you a fancy listener?

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what?

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<v Speaker 3>There are VIP packages just for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob, you don't say, oh I do. So that's the finale.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just using.

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<v Speaker 3>Fun energy we're gonna be bringing to Wilmington.

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<v Speaker 4>What if we whispered the entire finale, if we just did.

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<v Speaker 3>This we did, we say, everyone get your snacks out now,

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<v Speaker 3>because we don't want any crinkling of paper.

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<v Speaker 2>It's lulla by time. Yes, guys, we don't know what's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna happen, but we know it's gonna be great.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be great.

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<v Speaker 4>Get your tickets now, all right, SOF and I are

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<v Speaker 4>going to go into this episode. Rob's on set. He's

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<v Speaker 4>gonna run back out. We love you, We're gonna miss

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<v Speaker 4>see you on this one. But well, thanks for talking yea.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you guys. By good luck out there. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do it.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, you don't know me.

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<v Speaker 6>We all about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl,

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<v Speaker 6>all about them.

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<v Speaker 5>High school queens. We'll take you for a ride and

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<v Speaker 5>our comic girl.

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<v Speaker 4>Shared for the right teams Drama, Queens Girl.

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<v Speaker 6>Fashion, which your tough girl, you could sit with us,

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<v Speaker 6>Girl Drama, Queens Drama, queise Drama, Queens Drama, Drawn the

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<v Speaker 6>Queens Drama Queens.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi. Everyone, we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Season finale, Yes, yes, season season We're not there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I am starting to like get that feeling though, that

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<v Speaker 2>I had at the end of production where I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not ready.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, I know this was This was emotional for

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<v Speaker 4>me to watch and also strange because I knew it.

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<v Speaker 4>I know it's not the end. But as a viewer

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<v Speaker 4>back then, like and as an actor on the show,

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, we didn't know thought that this was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be it. We should also probably mention it's not that

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<v Speaker 2>we're not leaving any room for Rob to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not here today.

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<v Speaker 2>He is filming a movie at the moment. We're very

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<v Speaker 2>excited for him, but it also feels really weird to

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<v Speaker 2>not have him to talk about the episode with because

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<v Speaker 2>it is the season finale.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, and he had so much great stuff in

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<v Speaker 4>this season. Well, he'll just have to wag in on

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<v Speaker 4>the next one at the beginning of season nine. But

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<v Speaker 4>for now, we've got episode twenty two, This is My House,

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<v Speaker 4>This is My Home, which aired in May twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>The synopsis reads, as Brooke and Haley prepare to reopen

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<v Speaker 2>Karen's cafe, Oh my god, it makes me so emotional.

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<v Speaker 2>Mayvan and Clay hit the road looking for new prospective clients. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>Chase leaves for the Air Force, leaving a disappointed Alex

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<v Speaker 2>and Chuck behind, and Mouth and Millicent begin their new

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<v Speaker 2>morning show together.

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<v Speaker 4>I loved this morning show, love it so much, so

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<v Speaker 4>so much.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the best.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so it was such a great idea that I

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<v Speaker 4>wish they had come up with it sooner. Because I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like we could have done so much an entire

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, they could have done a spin off, to

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<v Speaker 4>be honest, there was just so much material that could

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<v Speaker 4>have been done. But I love the two of them

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<v Speaker 4>the Treill Morning Show. We've been waiting so eight years

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<v Speaker 4>for this to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and they're just so good together. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>the way that we've seen them growing as a couple

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<v Speaker 2>but also as these unlikely business partners in a way

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<v Speaker 2>through the end of this season and that gorgeous crescendo

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<v Speaker 2>moment where she turns the mic over to him at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the last episode and everyone obviously sobbed

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<v Speaker 2>and on the fly.

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<v Speaker 4>He just has these perfectly poetic, such beautiful things to say,

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<v Speaker 4>and he pulled it off that it didn't feel scripted

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<v Speaker 4>or planned, just flowed from who Marvin is.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt so nice. It was such a highlight moment

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<v Speaker 2>for me of the episode, you know, watching Lee and

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa together and it does they just feel like they're

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<v Speaker 2>in this perfect spot. I want this morning show in

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<v Speaker 2>real life.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Yes, And it feels you know you said this

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<v Speaker 4>in the previous podcast, that all of our characters feel

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<v Speaker 4>settled now, And I see that with Mouth and Milly,

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<v Speaker 4>that they brought us to that point where finally, after

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<v Speaker 4>everything they've been through individually and together, they're finally just

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<v Speaker 4>settled in with each other. That when she gets this

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity to do a job somewhere else, it's almost not

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<v Speaker 4>even surprising that she comes back. She's just like, you know, no,

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<v Speaker 4>you're my person. This is where I want to be.

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<v Speaker 4>When am I climbing a ladder that I never even

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<v Speaker 4>tried to be on in the first place?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what for what?

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to be with you? And that's the

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<v Speaker 4>beauty of what life is about. And so much of

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<v Speaker 4>what our show is about is appreciating what you have

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<v Speaker 4>in your own backyard. And we're living in a modern culture,

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<v Speaker 4>especially in America, where we're just trying to climb ladders

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<v Speaker 4>all the time, and at some point it's like, can

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<v Speaker 4>we just enjoy what we have? Like what's wrong with that?

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<v Speaker 4>Can that just be meaningful enough?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So, like where you live, be with your people,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And it's really nice too. I'm enjoying that.

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<v Speaker 2>We are starting to see Jamie step into his young

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<v Speaker 2>boyhood in a way that feels reminiscent of the stories

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<v Speaker 2>when we first met our characters Hayley and Lucas and

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<v Speaker 2>Peyton and Nathan and Brooke, and they would talk about

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<v Speaker 2>growing up in Tree Hill. They would talk about building

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<v Speaker 2>igloos at eight and you know, playing basketball with the

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<v Speaker 2>other kids and all of these things. We're seeing Jamie

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<v Speaker 2>enter into that, you know, seven year old range and

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing the things his parents did when when they

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<v Speaker 2>were little, and it's really it's a it's a full circle.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he only seven? Gosh? I feel like he seems

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<v Speaker 1>like he's.

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<v Speaker 4>Eleven, like ten or eleven? Now did they say he

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<v Speaker 4>was seven? Oh my gosh, he seems so much older

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<v Speaker 4>to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I just remember the drama of liking somebody at that age. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>like that it made it feel like ten or eleven,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think. Yeah. Because also Nathan lets him go

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<v Speaker 4>for a walk by himself in the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>So he might be approaching ten. So yeah, really the

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<v Speaker 2>ages that you've heard us tell stories about each other,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just I don't know, it's so sweet seeing

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<v Speaker 2>him in that space and also using his voiceover more

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<v Speaker 2>and more ever since the Baseball episode opening on him

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<v Speaker 2>talking about being raised in a magic time by musicians

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<v Speaker 2>in a web of magic. Like it's just it's every

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<v Speaker 2>bit of the nostalgia that we need after eight seasons.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, they really brought it, brought it full circle.

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<v Speaker 1>Brook's also grown a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like, just in between these last two episodes,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it was Puerto Rico and then the next

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<v Speaker 4>thing we know, she's seven months pregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that right?

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<v Speaker 2>So that was the really interesting thing about this episode

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<v Speaker 2>is that we start moving through the pregnancy, and after

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<v Speaker 2>every commercial break we skip, So it's you see two

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<v Speaker 2>months on the wall, and then they trace three, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you see four, and then they're tracing five. And

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<v Speaker 2>so we used this episode thinking it would be the

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<v Speaker 2>series finale to cover the ten months of her pregnancy,

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<v Speaker 2>so you see almost the whole year go by in

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<v Speaker 2>the episode. Yeah, which is why in the beginning she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm showing and he's like, you're skinny, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's made. And then later later he says, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when he's tracing the five month belly, he goes, look

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<v Speaker 2>how bad you are.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so sweet.

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<v Speaker 4>I really love I love watching Broke and Julian too.

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<v Speaker 4>They've gotten to a point where they're settled and where

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<v Speaker 4>they even without the pregnancy, they would have been okay,

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<v Speaker 4>and so it just feels like a bonus.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you remember how you had to wear a big

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<v Speaker 4>pregnancy belly. I guess you had to wear lots of

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<v Speaker 4>different paths in that were they uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>It was interesting trying to figure it out, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how to tell the story of a pregnancy in one episode,

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<v Speaker 2>let alone a pregnancy with twins. Yeah, so we basically

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<v Speaker 2>had raw of all the different sized bumps. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I remember even when we did the scene where I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm showing and I'm like, look, I chugged too,

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<v Speaker 2>like two or three bottles of water to just to

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<v Speaker 2>get my bladder, and then like we're trying to shoot

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<v Speaker 2>the scene and I'm desperate. I desperately had to pee.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, you know, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't make sense to be like are you showing?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you not? Did you eat a burrito? Like you

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't do a fake belly for that, but alone a

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<v Speaker 2>prosthetic one with me lifting up my shirt. So that

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of water. And then I remember they

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<v Speaker 2>started putting me in padded bras and then we started

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<v Speaker 2>to go up in the belly size, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>twin bellies are really big and they sort of sit differently,

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<v Speaker 2>so then I would then I would start when I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing those scenes, like keeping bowls of snacks on

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<v Speaker 2>fake belly and using it as like a little table

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<v Speaker 2>for my cheese. It's on my pret sauce, which was great.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great, like, oh, this is kind of cool. This

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<v Speaker 2>is like one of the only perks I think the

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<v Speaker 2>girls get.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you only had to wear those pads, like, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>we had one it was one offs and it was

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<v Speaker 4>one episode, and there was multiple at different times. Oh man,

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<v Speaker 4>when Haley was pregnant with Jamie, I had to be

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<v Speaker 4>in that stink and pregnancy belly for so many episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hot. It was hot for me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what people don't realize. They're made of a really

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<v Speaker 2>dense foam and like a pillow, they're but worse like

0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:40.080
<v Speaker 2>dense squishy, yeah, mattress poper foam. Yes, kind of like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're hot. And then when we did the scene

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<v Speaker 2>where we're doing the ultrasound and we discover its twins,

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<v Speaker 2>we had to do the prosthetic right, and so then

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<v Speaker 2>it all gets glued to your belly and it's just oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just covered in like plastic and glue and stick,

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<v Speaker 2>and oh it was terrible. It was disgusting, but so

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<v Speaker 2>cute in the episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes it worked, it was great. But speaking of the

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<v Speaker 4>doctor or you know, finding out being in the hospital,

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<v Speaker 4>finding out the doctor who helps you, it is this

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<v Speaker 4>same doctor that was like helping Nathan with his back.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, Goes, I've only been doing.

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<v Speaker 2>This for thirty five years, and I'm like, I thought

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<v Speaker 2>you were an orthopedic specialist.

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<v Speaker 4>What, yeah, guess not. That was That was a really

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<v Speaker 4>funny fumble. I'm so surprised that nobody. Nobody got that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was a little bit when he came on screen.

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<v Speaker 2>I went, oh, interesting, interesting, likely right, all.

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<v Speaker 4>Of this stuff in Karen's Cafe was great. And I

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<v Speaker 4>remember I think I was actually still of aired in May.

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<v Speaker 4>I had either just had Maria or I was still pregnant,

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<v Speaker 4>because I think I was still pregnant in the Puerto

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<v Speaker 4>Rico episode, which is why I couldn't go.

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<v Speaker 2>Well Puerto Rico at the end of the season, remember,

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<v Speaker 2>which was when that was the whole thing. We you left.

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<v Speaker 2>We basically shot everything in eight twenty and then in

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<v Speaker 2>the finale that you weren't in. And then we went

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<v Speaker 2>to Puerto Rico at the very end of the season,

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of April. It was the last thing

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<v Speaker 2>we shot was Puerto Rico, and then everybody went home.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I looked still pregnant, but also when

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<v Speaker 4>you actually have a baby, you still look pregnant for

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<v Speaker 4>a good couple of months after.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that was also one of the really surreal things,

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<v Speaker 2>which always is obviously about when an actor has to

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<v Speaker 2>play a pregnancy but obviously isn't pregnant. It was very

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<v Speaker 2>surreal to just be like adding the belly and the

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<v Speaker 2>boobs to brook but you know, I wasn't pregnant. I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't gaining weight in you know, my arms and my

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<v Speaker 2>face and my lips and all the day it happened

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<v Speaker 2>to women and you had just had a baby. And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember there would be days where we'd be on

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<v Speaker 2>set together and just be like, this is so ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is real, realistic.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, look, there are women in the world who managed

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<v Speaker 4>to carry their babies like basketballs and they drop them

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<v Speaker 4>and their bodies kind of bounce back. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 4>God bless them. I don't think that's the majority, but

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<v Speaker 4>it happens, so Brooke gets to be one of those people.

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<v Speaker 2>Well blessed for her.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think those are, but yeah, I remember.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I was still pregnant in Puerto rican when

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<v Speaker 4>you guys went to Puerto Rico. But yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 4>so nice to see and I was so grateful on

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<v Speaker 4>set that they were keeping me in one location, but

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<v Speaker 4>to see Karen's Cafe coming back, and I wish we

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<v Speaker 4>had been able to get Moira back for the last

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<v Speaker 4>episode in some way, just to sort of give us

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<v Speaker 4>her Karen's Cafe blessing. I did feel like we missed that,

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<v Speaker 4>especially since we got Dan. But I was so happy

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<v Speaker 4>to see us go back to Karen's Cafe revital like that.

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<v Speaker 4>That felt as much as we had grown to love

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<v Speaker 4>close Over Bros. To see that that's going to have

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<v Speaker 4>a new iteration in some other way and that Karen's

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<v Speaker 4>Cafe gets to be alive again made me happy.

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<v Speaker 1>You have you been there in town recently to the spot?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, last time I was in Wilmington, we drove by.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a it's an outdoor store.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it's like a sports kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>an ri sports I know makes me sense, though I

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<v Speaker 4>really wish it was still Karen's.

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<v Speaker 2>I do too, But it was really sweet I think

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<v Speaker 2>for us to have that, especially because there's been so

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<v Speaker 2>much focus, you know on will Brook get to start

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<v Speaker 2>a family, Haley and Nathan having just had another baby,

0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:52.600
<v Speaker 2>this project for us as friends with our kids and

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that you know, they'll get to play on that roof,

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<v Speaker 2>just like I talked about and all these things. It

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<v Speaker 2>it feels like a homecoming and a next chapter at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time. And knowing that we thought this would

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<v Speaker 2>be the series finale. I just think it's exactly the

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<v Speaker 2>right decision.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, would you do that with your friend? Like what

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<v Speaker 4>would you want to open? Is there a business you'd

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<v Speaker 4>want to open with your friends? If you got to

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<v Speaker 4>a place where you're like, you know what, I'm settling here.

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<v Speaker 1>This is it.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to open up this thing, and like your

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<v Speaker 4>friends get to come work there and hang with their kids,

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<v Speaker 4>and what would you want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of my best friends and I talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this all the time. We really want to open like

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<v Speaker 2>a gorgeous sandwich shop with great coffee that's also an

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<v Speaker 2>antique store.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, this is like my dream. I wanted Anthropology to

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<v Speaker 4>have a coffee shop in it all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>They never do. But this is better because there's food.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to do, like a great long meal lunch

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<v Speaker 2>spot where every every gorgeous thing in the restaurant is

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<v Speaker 2>also for sale, so we can rotate things through all

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And is that ABC in New York? Have you been

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<v Speaker 1>to the ABC?

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<v Speaker 2>There's like, yeah, ABC has their furniture store and then their.

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<v Speaker 1>Kitchen, but they're separate. I don't know which.

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<v Speaker 2>Came first, but yeah, they are separate. I mean because

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<v Speaker 2>one had to have a you know, a kitchen in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that spot that there's two restaurants now it's

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<v Speaker 4>they cover an entire block.

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 4>So now you can go to one one on the

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<v Speaker 4>other side on one side, and one on the other side,

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<v Speaker 4>and then they've got that whole store you can shop in.

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<v Speaker 1>But I like this idea. Where would you do it?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we'd probably do it here.

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<v Speaker 4>We do it in New York, Yeah, in the city,

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<v Speaker 4>or a little like place outside of the city somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, my favorite part of Brooklyn has

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<v Speaker 2>been on my vision board forever. So if eventually that

0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:54.439
<v Speaker 2>becomes possible, that would be a dream. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we'd be you know, she and I would be neighbors anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>which would be so fun. But I don't know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it also feels like the sort of thing that would potentially,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, depending on the neighborhood and the walkability, do

0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:12.119
<v Speaker 2>really well in la It could be a vibe in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>It makes me think of Lily's Market, the Little Market

0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.879
<v Speaker 4>member downtown. It was, yeah, yes, she used to have

0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:23.720
<v Speaker 4>back when we were renting videos at Blockbuster. Still she

0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:28.240
<v Speaker 4>had a video rental wall and a clothing rack, and

0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:34.199
<v Speaker 4>a cheese refrigerator and wine local wines, and it was

0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:37.320
<v Speaker 4>just all these random things and I loved that place.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so sad that they closed it.

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<v Speaker 1>But she was this.

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<v Speaker 4>Young, she was probably in her mid twenties and she

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<v Speaker 4>had opened up this store. It did really well for

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<v Speaker 4>a while. It was downtown, right on the water in Wilmington,

0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.679
<v Speaker 4>the little market. Her name was Lily, Lily.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved that.

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<v Speaker 4>That's been a little fantasy of mine one day to

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<v Speaker 4>just do something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think it's so cool. My girlfriend Lauren did

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<v Speaker 2>something similar in Chicago. She has this great shop called

0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Rider and it's vintage furniture, like incredible vintage furniture, art apothecary,

0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:17.679
<v Speaker 2>Candle's jewelry, Knew, like every kind of cool thing you

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<v Speaker 2>could want she has in one store. And she's an

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<v Speaker 2>interior designer.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, I'm gonna be in Chicago next weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I'll say, Oh, it's the best.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And we we did my apartment there together, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we were literally planning on launching design services as

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<v Speaker 2>a duo, and then COVID hit and like everything shifted

0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:43.919
<v Speaker 2>and she wound up moving to France for two years

0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:47.399
<v Speaker 2>and like, but it was this moment in time. We

0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:49.840
<v Speaker 2>were about to do an apartment together in one of

0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:53.439
<v Speaker 2>the Emes buildings there. We were so excited and then

0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:58.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, the world had other plans. Yeah, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>just still something I think I have an itch for.

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<v Speaker 4>I would show up for your shop, whatever it is.

0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:06.680
<v Speaker 4>I would love to see whenever he carried. That would

0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:07.359
<v Speaker 4>be really fun.

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:08.359
<v Speaker 2>I would love it.

0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:13.920
<v Speaker 4>Okay, we have to talk about speaking of Karen's Cafe Monomena.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the deal?

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<v Speaker 1>What in the world?

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<v Speaker 4>Why I remember us all being so confused, even James,

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<v Speaker 4>and credit to him, he committed so hard to that

0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.560
<v Speaker 4>he learned it. He was like a good sport about it.

0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:35.080
<v Speaker 4>But it was so bizarre. It felt like knowing everything

0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:38.560
<v Speaker 4>that we know, it felt to me like some sort

0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:44.520
<v Speaker 4>of weird retaliation against him for something who knows what,

0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:48.960
<v Speaker 4>but by the showrunner that like just whatever, for whatever reason,

0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:50.520
<v Speaker 4>and James got on his bad side for a minute

0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:54.000
<v Speaker 4>and just decided to write this ridiculous scene.

0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:54.919
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know.

0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:56.760
<v Speaker 4>I just could not wrap my brain around why in

0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.000
<v Speaker 4>the world this happened me neither.

0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:03.320
<v Speaker 2>It felt really strange. It was it was it felt

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:07.960
<v Speaker 2>like another toaster strude al moment, yes where I was like,

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:14.000
<v Speaker 2>why keep wanting us to do this stuff? It's like

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:16.960
<v Speaker 2>the high five, the toaster pastry, the monomena. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>what is this?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>It was so strange, and it wasn't just like fifteen

0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:27.840
<v Speaker 4>seconds of it. It was the entire song. I just

0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:30.560
<v Speaker 4>remember all of us being so confused. Even on the

0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:32.600
<v Speaker 4>day we were shooting. We were there on set and

0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:34.600
<v Speaker 4>James is doing it and I was like, what what

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:37.120
<v Speaker 4>I think? He was just like, I don't know, let's

0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:39.720
<v Speaker 4>just get it over with like fine.

0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:45.280
<v Speaker 2>I just yeah, I just don't get it. And it's weird,

0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:49.520
<v Speaker 2>the sort of back and forth, you know, the stuff

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:53.520
<v Speaker 2>that you can feel there's weird energy underneath, and then

0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that feels so pure, you know, as we're

0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:59.560
<v Speaker 2>watching Brooke go through this pregnancy and her and Julian

0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:04.119
<v Speaker 2>are so happy, and then the reviews come in for

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:09.600
<v Speaker 2>his movie, Oh that was so sweet, and they're so beautiful.

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:15.480
<v Speaker 2>There's such beautiful moments in the last episode. In this episode,

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 2>the writing really is phenomenal, and I'm just like, how

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:25.920
<v Speaker 2>does how does this all exist in the same episode?

0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:26.600
<v Speaker 2>What's happening?

0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:28.680
<v Speaker 4>And of all the things that they had, all the

0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:33.119
<v Speaker 4>material they had, like I would have taken two minutes

0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:38.080
<v Speaker 4>of Mouth and Millie hands down over Nathan doing monomena,

0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:39.920
<v Speaker 4>Like we already know he's a great dad.

0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 1>We have no need.

0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:43.600
<v Speaker 4>It's not furthering the story anymore. It's not getting us anywhere.

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:46.080
<v Speaker 4>I just don't know why it was written.

0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:48.680
<v Speaker 2>It would have been just as easy to have him

0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 2>up on that stage with Lydia in that little baby

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:53.959
<v Speaker 2>born taking the mic and being like are you going

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:55.680
<v Speaker 2>to sing like your mom? Are you going to be

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:56.640
<v Speaker 2>a singer like your mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you watched it shot yeah, yeah, two.

0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Seconds a durable move on.

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:06.639
<v Speaker 4>Maybe it was like one of those things like the

0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:11.199
<v Speaker 4>doggying the Heart where it's so ridiculous that the hope

0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 4>was that it would get on the soup exactly, that

0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:16.720
<v Speaker 4>it would get on the soup, that it would get

0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 4>like a little publicity for being so ridiculous. But at

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 4>least then eyeballs. Then the name of the show is

0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:23.679
<v Speaker 4>out there. I don't know.

0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:24.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:26.879
<v Speaker 4>I wish James was here, but he would still be

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:28.080
<v Speaker 4>classy about it even if he.

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Was here, so he totally would be like, oh, it

0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:31.520
<v Speaker 2>was fine.

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:34.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, next, let's talk about something else.

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that toad the Wet Sprocket song that they

0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:50.840
<v Speaker 4>let me sing.

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:54.119
<v Speaker 1>But why do they let me play guitar?

0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 4>I am not a guitar player, Like I play enough

0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:00.440
<v Speaker 4>to just sort of, you know, get across an idea something,

0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 4>But then you hire in real people. I have no

0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:05.360
<v Speaker 4>I I'm watching that, like, why why did they let

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:08.480
<v Speaker 4>me actually play guitar? It's so bad? Why didn't they

0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 4>just bring.

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Somebody else in? It was so mad?

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:15.920
<v Speaker 4>But it was fun to sing that because I did

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 4>love that song. I loved that song in high school.

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 2>I did too. I thought it was so good. It

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 2>was a nice It did feel like a nice I

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 2>don't know, throwback in a way. Yeah, and the sort

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:30.960
<v Speaker 2>of some of the music being a little older and

0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:34.800
<v Speaker 2>then something's feeling really fresh. It just again it all,

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 2>it all really feels like it's coming full circle, which

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:42.640
<v Speaker 2>is interesting because then we do thirteen more episodes.

0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so strange.

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But I will say, speaking of the music, I

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 2>was really glad we were back to Gavin for the

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:51.400
<v Speaker 2>theme song you too.

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 7>Oh.

0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 4>I've been skipping the intro for so every weeks because.

0:26:56.560 --> 0:27:00.040
<v Speaker 2>I just can't. I can't either, I just can't do it.

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 2>So it was really nice to have the song that

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 2>we know and that imprinted on our show back.

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 4>It was like taking a deep breath of relief when

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:11.800
<v Speaker 4>I heard his voice come on.

0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Me too, like oh, thank god.

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:16.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And then I also really liked that when we

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 2>got to Mouth and Millie in the morning and we

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:24.119
<v Speaker 2>had had this beautiful moment knowing that Julian's movie you

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:28.879
<v Speaker 2>Know is being so well reviewed. It's it all feels

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 2>like this kind of ground swell of excitement and then

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 2>it cuts to them and Alex's movie's coming out and

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 2>they're getting to talk about it on the air, and

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.800
<v Speaker 2>then Janna's song is under it. Yeah, it all was

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:41.040
<v Speaker 2>just so great.

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Is this a movie we watched him shoot? Or am I? Yeah?

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.119
<v Speaker 2>This is his This is his Alex Duprey movie. We

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:51.640
<v Speaker 2>saw Sundance, but now it's coming out in theaters.

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:57.160
<v Speaker 4>Oh okay, yeah, yeah, the Alex and Chase of it all.

0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 4>Let's talk about them. Realistic not realistic? Are you sad

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:04.440
<v Speaker 4>that he didn't choose Mia or she didn't choose him?

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 4>I guess, I don't know.

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:10.880
<v Speaker 2>I think I do really think that Jana and Steven

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 2>are so great together and I just really enjoy watching them.

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 2>And I think for Mia and Chase to have been together,

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 2>she might have had to change her life in a

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 2>way that I don't want her to. I don't want

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 2>her to give up on touring and all the things,

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, despite how sweet they are together as well,

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Like there's something about the Alex and Chase that is

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 2>sticky for a reason, and I think that they're sweet.

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Scene I mean, him saying meet me right here a

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 2>year from today was so lovely.

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was. That was really sweet.

0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 4>I still I still as much as they do have

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 4>good cam Janna and Stephen are great. I don't like Alex. Oh,

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 4>I just don't like Alex, right. I don't believe her

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 4>that she's changed at ever. She's like Dan, she just

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 4>is constantly. I don't know. This is a character who

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 4>is who has more often than not looked out for

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 4>themselves and adjusted their personality and her uh herself to

0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 4>whatever it is that she actually wants to get. Rather

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 4>than just maintaining a consistent personality, a consistent character like

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 4>not character acting character, like a person, your your character

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 4>within you, she hasn't maintained any consistency in that regard,

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 4>and I just don't trust her and I don't like her.

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. I'm sorry, everybody.

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean listen, I think I get it, and

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm part of me is like, oh do

0:29:54.800 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 2>I am I personalizing that I like Jana, you know,

0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 2>to love Alex maybe a little. I don't know, but

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 2>I think there's there is there's always we always have

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 2>an ability to understand characters, you know, on shows. Sometimes

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:16.719
<v Speaker 2>I think even better than we understand people because we

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 2>watch the characters, we watch them try to grow, we

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 2>watch them fail, we see them in moments we don't

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 2>see our friends or our family or whatever.

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a great point.

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 2>But I also hear, especially because we're watching episode to episode,

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 2>like you've got a list, You've got a list of

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Alex's screw ups that you can't get over right there

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 2>in your brain. And yeah, it's interesting.

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like if she, if she was remorseful, if we

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 4>actually got to see some apologies and some real like

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 4>growth and not just an apology, but actually like making

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 4>real changes, I feel like maybe I could obviously I

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 4>would make space, but.

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just yeah. Yeah, But you're right

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:01.440
<v Speaker 1>that we.

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 4>Do watch characters differently than we watch each other because

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 4>we know it's only for a limited time. You can

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:13.320
<v Speaker 4>watch every move, every detail, Yeah, unsupervised, and you know

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 4>that you're being taught a lesson in some way, you're

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 4>being told a story, and.

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 2>You understand they're shortcomings in ways that we often don't

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 2>understand people's shortcomings in the world because we don't we

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 2>don't really get to see people struggle the way we

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 2>get to see our TV characters struggle.

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's true. You're not there in private moments in

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 4>real life, but a camera can follow a character into

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 4>a private.

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly, So I don't know. It's interesting. On the

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 2>one hand, Yes, when you list Alex's discretions, I'm like, oh,

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 2>But then I'm like, but she's trying so hard and

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.840
<v Speaker 2>she's growing and we're watching it happen, and yeah, it's

0:31:56.960 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 2>interesting to kind of have the push and pull the character.

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:01.880
<v Speaker 1>That would be.

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 4>So I want to start thinking about that with people

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:07.479
<v Speaker 4>in my real life, Like if there was a camera

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 4>following them into private moments, what would that look like?

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 4>Because I don't share mine very often. Like I don't

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 4>often call a friend in a private moment because I

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 4>don't know why. I don't know, I just don't. It's

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 4>like I don't want to burden people or I don't want.

0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 3>To like.

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 4>Be an interruption or an annoyance, and I know how

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:33.720
<v Speaker 4>neurotic I can be, and so I just want to

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 4>deal with it on my own. Yeah, but if I

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:40.719
<v Speaker 4>had a friend who was in a private moment and

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:44.200
<v Speaker 4>reached out to me, I'd be I'm happy to I

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 4>love that, Like I want to help and participate or

0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 4>just be a listening, ear or whatever. Why is it

0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 4>like so much harder to I don't know, to write out.

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 2>I did this the other night with my best girlfriend

0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 2>from junior high in high school. The thing going on said, hey,

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 2>can you talk? Took us two nights to both have

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, be home across time zones and in the

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 2>right moments. And we sat on the phone for two

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:15.880
<v Speaker 2>hours and she walked me through all these things that

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 2>she has going on, and I I then obviously we

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 2>were just in conversation. I told her a bunch of things,

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 2>and some of it she was like, wait, I didn't

0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>know this and I and it was exactly that realization.

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>She was like, honey, pick up the phone. I'm always here,

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:37.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, to listen or whatever. And I just thought, yeah,

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 2>I I don't know. I always worry that if I

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 2>have something going on, I'm taking up someone else's time.

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I never feel like anyone's taking up my time.

0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 2>It's an honor to be there.

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 2>So it is interesting that we it's interesting that we

0:33:56.840 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 2>want to love people in ways we don't often let

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 2>people love us.

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 4>And then yeah, absolutely, And then you know, I've got

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:10.200
<v Speaker 4>nothing to complain about if I feel like my you know,

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:12.799
<v Speaker 4>my friends don't know me as well as I want

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 4>them to because I'm the one that's preventing that. Like

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm the one that's that's got the wall up, and

0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 4>it's just it's so hard to be it's so hard

0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 4>to be vulnerable. So maybe that's why we love our

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:27.920
<v Speaker 4>TV characters because we feel.

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Like but also that's what I was just going to say.

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 2>I think it's interesting when we look back at what

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 2>rewatching this show has been, like, so much of what

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:43.719
<v Speaker 2>we enjoy about it is the way our characters communicate

0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:44.280
<v Speaker 2>with each.

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:50.920
<v Speaker 4>Other totally totally. I know, it's kind of I want that.

0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:53.280
<v Speaker 4>I always I always like, I want that so bad,

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 4>but it's hard.

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 1>It's just it's hard.

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.240
<v Speaker 4>It's harder in real life, like when it's in a script,

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 4>you can say something that is yeah, outrageous or offensive

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:05.919
<v Speaker 4>or whatever, and the other person is just like they'll

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 4>just blow back up at you and you have it

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:09.839
<v Speaker 4>out and then they you know, you're fine. But in

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 4>real life, everybody just keeps their mouth shut most of

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.000
<v Speaker 4>the time. They're like okay, and then they walk away

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 4>and they're like, well now I know, and then they

0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 4>just never follow up. And never like you. I want

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 4>to be challenged. I want to be like engaged with

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 4>in that way. But I don't know that I do

0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 4>that very often with people either, I will. It depends

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:33.960
<v Speaker 4>on how close we are, I guess I think that's

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 4>part of it. It depends on how close you are

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:38.839
<v Speaker 4>with somebody. Maybe I don't know if that's making any sense.

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:39.760
<v Speaker 4>Maybe it's a ramble.

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean I think it does, and I especially

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 2>think I mean, listen, it can all depend right on

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 2>what context. You know people, and you know how long

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:57.680
<v Speaker 2>you've been friends. But it's like, think about all the

0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:02.319
<v Speaker 2>iterations over the last years we've been through with each other.

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know.

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 2>And and there's always still a moment after however, many

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 2>years at a time where you're like, we can still

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:15.080
<v Speaker 2>go this deep though, right, like are we going to

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 2>challenge each other on this thing? Are we gonna? And

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Maybe it's just very human to be

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 2>a little scared. Yeah, but like you push through it,

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you have to, or.

0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:31.760
<v Speaker 1>You just won't.

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:34.360
<v Speaker 4>Like there's just no way to give and receive love

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:37.239
<v Speaker 4>for real, because there's no actual safety there. You don't

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 4>know for sure if it's safe because you never actually

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 4>pushed to find out, but I love that to bring

0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:49.319
<v Speaker 4>it full circle. I think the thing that connects me

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:53.439
<v Speaker 4>about that with our show is that we in a way,

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 4>I think we're able to model that for so many

0:36:56.680 --> 0:37:00.279
<v Speaker 4>and like the having that modeled, even for me as

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:04.399
<v Speaker 4>a person, having that model by performing that with other

0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 4>characters in a weird meta sort of way really was

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 4>helpful and informative, and I think one of the things

0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 4>that made people love our show so much and makes

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 4>all of these moments in this last episode feel like

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:22.480
<v Speaker 4>such a payoff because everybody's been through all those private

0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:25.759
<v Speaker 4>moments with us and they feel it too.

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I think so too. And you know what it really

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm realizing in real time as we're talking about it,

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:38.560
<v Speaker 2>not on camera, but on set, there is an expectation

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 2>that you won't rock the boat, oh totally. You have

0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 2>to keep it pushing, you have to keep it professional.

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:52.040
<v Speaker 2>So you do learn, especially young and especially when you

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:54.839
<v Speaker 2>grew up on those set like ours, where things were

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 2>changing all the time and no one was really talking

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.799
<v Speaker 2>about a lot of it, you kind of learn to

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:05.400
<v Speaker 2>just show up and be good and you're on eggshells

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 2>a little about like are we going to acknowledge this,

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 2>are we not We're not okay, We're just going to

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:12.959
<v Speaker 2>do the work today. And so I actually think being

0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:16.120
<v Speaker 2>a young actor who works as regularly as we were

0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:19.920
<v Speaker 2>all working at the time, you can learn to not

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 2>ever bring anything up.

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you learn to just process things on your own

0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 4>because it's too risky. You risk it's too risky the

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 4>tayos or piece of an entire production.

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Yep, and it might waste people's time and whatever. So

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:36.080
<v Speaker 2>you just keep everything at work for work. But then

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:39.000
<v Speaker 2>you don't really learn to talk to each other in

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 2>the ways that people who don't have to perform on

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:47.240
<v Speaker 2>set do. And so I think it's also really interesting

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:51.759
<v Speaker 2>for us. You know, you learn in therapy that you

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.239
<v Speaker 2>carry all your younger versions of yourself in you, right,

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 2>So in a really interesting way as adults, we are

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:04.160
<v Speaker 2>learning some of the quiet that we learned in real

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:07.840
<v Speaker 2>time when we were filming the show, and we're learning

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:12.719
<v Speaker 2>it watching how well we could communicate on camera in

0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 2>the ways we were never encouraged to off camera. And yeah,

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:20.439
<v Speaker 2>because on camera, off camera after the show rapped, Yeah,

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:22.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, because on camera there's no stakes, there's no

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.840
<v Speaker 2>real stakes you can play with the emotion of feeling uncertain,

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:29.880
<v Speaker 2>but you know for sure, like I'm gonna put this.

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:31.759
<v Speaker 4>This scene away and go home and have a real

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 4>life how the episode's going to end, right, right, Whereas

0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:36.000
<v Speaker 4>in real life you don't know.

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 2>You don't know anything.

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you just have to.

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I think that's a really fair point. And we

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:43.480
<v Speaker 4>learned a lot of that and we've had to we

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 4>have to. I'm still unlearning that.

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:48.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean me too, But I really think about, like

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 2>think about the way all of our friendships changed after

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:56.279
<v Speaker 2>the show finally wrapped. Yeah, you know, like things got

0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 2>deeper for people after everybody got to like take a

0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:03.560
<v Speaker 2>b and then reunite in real life. And so it's

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:06.720
<v Speaker 2>interesting to me now it's almost like the third point

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:09.799
<v Speaker 2>of the triangle, Like we did it and we learned

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 2>to be quiet, and we learned to perform above all else,

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:13.839
<v Speaker 2>and then we got a break and then we all

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 2>got to reconnect in real life, and now our real

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 2>life and our performance we're tying them together and going,

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:24.200
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, which is why doing this podcast is

0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:25.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of like doing therapy for us.

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, a thousand percent.

0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:30.319
<v Speaker 4>And you know the weird thing is too, that's such

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 4>a messes with your mind that when you're on a

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.920
<v Speaker 4>set for that long and doing that performative communication. As

0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 4>you're talking about, we learned how to connect with each

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:46.879
<v Speaker 4>other as a sort of surface version of each other

0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:49.840
<v Speaker 4>because you couldn't go so deep as to rock the boat.

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:53.919
<v Speaker 4>So we had to sort of construct these ideas about

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 4>who each other were and relate to that in order

0:40:57.680 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 4>to keep the peace. And so there was like an

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 4>element of knowing each other but also not not also

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 4>the real depth. Yeah, so then it's like getting to

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:09.799
<v Speaker 4>know someone that you're supposed to have actually, like, we've

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:11.880
<v Speaker 4>known each other for twenty years, but how much of

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 4>each other have we known for twenty years?

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Exactly?

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:16.680
<v Speaker 4>Trying to dive back and figure out, like, what are

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 4>the pieces here that are missing to fill in the

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 4>whole picture.

0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you start to be like, oh, there's holes in

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 2>this puzzle.

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:27.800
<v Speaker 2>And I also think, I mean, you know, we talked

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:30.319
<v Speaker 2>in the last episode with Alison about how much she

0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed reading your book, Like, I don't think it's an

0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 2>accident that you know, off camera, you and I have

0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:45.560
<v Speaker 2>been able to share so much about recovering from narcissistic relationships. Yeah,

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:48.839
<v Speaker 2>because when you learn to keep the piece and not

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:53.919
<v Speaker 2>even make space for what pieces might be missing from

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.320
<v Speaker 2>your puzzle because you got to get through the things

0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:58.840
<v Speaker 2>you don't know how to turn that off.

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:01.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just become second nature.

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:05.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And it's really interesting when you when you look

0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:07.520
<v Speaker 2>back and you go, oh, yeah, in hindsight, I see

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:10.840
<v Speaker 2>all these things, but at the time, I just didn't

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:15.440
<v Speaker 2>see them. I literally couldn't be conscious of this because

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm used to not acknowledging this. I'm used to not

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:22.000
<v Speaker 2>acknowledging anything in the corner over there that I don't

0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:23.800
<v Speaker 2>even know that. I don't look in the corner anymore.

0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:26.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm always moving out of a way. Oh yeah,

0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:29.239
<v Speaker 4>I don't even know that I'm not looking. You know,

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:34.120
<v Speaker 4>it's a whole other level. It's a whole other level.

0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:38.680
<v Speaker 4>I just it's one of the things that makes me.

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:41.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm so grateful for our show. I'm also you know,

0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 4>there are everybody has life experiences where it's packed full

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.279
<v Speaker 4>of things that you're so grateful for, and then you

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 4>also realized you've learned so many lessons from because there

0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 4>were a lot of bad things in it too. But

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, overall, I'm so grateful that we got to

0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 4>have the experience that we did me too.

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:02.799
<v Speaker 2>We also think, you know, and I know we've said

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:07.279
<v Speaker 2>this before, but the cool thing about the rewatch and

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:10.319
<v Speaker 2>the time we get to spend and I don't just

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:12.920
<v Speaker 2>mean us as hosts, I mean all of us, like

0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 2>going to our conventions and doing this podcast together and

0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 2>having all the friends on it all the time. Yeah,

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:24.160
<v Speaker 2>it it really does. I don't know, it just it

0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 2>gives you something back. And for me, and I know

0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:30.440
<v Speaker 2>this is really common. You know, you go through you

0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:32.839
<v Speaker 2>can go through a hard thing and you kind of

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:37.799
<v Speaker 2>lose certain memories. Like when you've been through a you know,

0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:43.399
<v Speaker 2>a trauma or whatever, that thing becomes the biggest thing

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:46.360
<v Speaker 2>in your rear view mirror in certain ways in your brain.

0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:52.959
<v Speaker 2>And what I've loved about this journey is that it's

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of right size to that stuff. It's shrunken it

0:43:56.239 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 2>down to only take up the amount of space, you know,

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:04.040
<v Speaker 2>the least amount of space it should actually less space

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:05.799
<v Speaker 2>than it used to, less space than it did at

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 2>the time, And it feels like it's increased. It feels

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:11.799
<v Speaker 2>like it's blown up the balloons of all our good

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:15.239
<v Speaker 2>memories to be bigger. Yeah, and I don't know that

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 2>we would have had that otherwise.

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:20.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think so too. I think there's a key

0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:27.120
<v Speaker 4>in that of learning to appreciate suffering, which is hard

0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:30.879
<v Speaker 4>because of course, in a perfect world, we don't want

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.560
<v Speaker 4>to suffer. We don't want anyone else to suffer. It's

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 4>terrible to feel it. But when you appreciate what we're

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 4>able to, what we're able to siphon out of those

0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:51.560
<v Speaker 4>experiences that feel so difficult at the time, then you

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:54.000
<v Speaker 4>can put things in their proper place and you're able

0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:56.399
<v Speaker 4>to appreciate all of the good things that came out

0:44:56.400 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 4>of it, rather than just focused being focused perpetually on

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:03.440
<v Speaker 4>I shouldn't have had to go through that, and that

0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:06.279
<v Speaker 4>was suffering, and I you know, because everybody's going to

0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 4>suffer at some in some capacity.

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Well.

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:10.640
<v Speaker 2>And the thing is, to your point, you wouldn't wish

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:15.680
<v Speaker 2>it on anyone, including yourself. But if it's happened, being

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 2>furious that it happened instead of analyzing what you learned

0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 2>from it, it's like you it's like picking your scab

0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:28.440
<v Speaker 2>off instead of letting it heal. Yeah, And I really

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:35.440
<v Speaker 2>think it's the best. The best outcome is when you

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:37.760
<v Speaker 2>can say, yeah, I wouldn't have wished this on myself

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 2>or anyone else. But here's what I learned, here's what

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:42.000
<v Speaker 2>we learned.

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:45.080
<v Speaker 4>Here's what we made you know, And you can take

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:47.279
<v Speaker 4>the positive memories and those can be the ones that

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:50.920
<v Speaker 4>you construct the new reality out of it. Yeah, that's

0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:52.319
<v Speaker 4>kind of a weird way of saying it, because i'd

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:55.399
<v Speaker 4>obviously reality's reality. We're not making our own. But there

0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:58.360
<v Speaker 4>is something in our bodies about how we relate to

0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 4>things that we've been through. So if you can reconnect

0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:05.880
<v Speaker 4>your body to thinking of times when you experience suffering

0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:09.719
<v Speaker 4>to the positive moments that were in between all those

0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:13.279
<v Speaker 4>difficult times, then I feel like that's a huge win.

0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:15.480
<v Speaker 4>That's like a major way that you can win over

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:18.360
<v Speaker 4>difficult circumstances.

0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Totally, totally. Oh and it's just it's all so cool.

0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:28.160
<v Speaker 2>It's like, I don't think it's an accident that this

0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 2>episode feels like this full circle of essentially the decade

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:35.319
<v Speaker 2>of our lives, and then it's making us very reflective

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.160
<v Speaker 2>in real time. It's like, oh, yeah, it's doing exactly

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:39.279
<v Speaker 2>what it was supposed to do.

0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:40.880
<v Speaker 4>I think we were feeling a lot of that as

0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:42.640
<v Speaker 4>actors too, as it came to an end because we

0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:44.400
<v Speaker 4>weren't sure what was going to happen, and it really

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 4>did feel like, Okay, this isn't like season four or five,

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 4>like this is really We're at eight now. I think

0:46:50.080 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 4>we might be done. So yeah, it's yeah, listeners. I

0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:58.239
<v Speaker 4>think that's why the reflection is coming in so much,

0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:00.759
<v Speaker 4>because this is how we felt the end of it. Like,

0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:15.840
<v Speaker 4>what do we do with all this? Should we do

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:17.879
<v Speaker 4>a quick listener question before we wrap up?

0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:18.920
<v Speaker 2>All right? What do we have?

0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Lauren?

0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:22.240
<v Speaker 4>She's saying, why do all the kids have their mother's

0:47:22.280 --> 0:47:26.239
<v Speaker 4>maiden names as their first names? James, Davis Sawyer? Where

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 4>did the name Jude come from? Did you guys get

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:30.440
<v Speaker 4>to have any input in the kids' names?

0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Whoa whoa? Whoa? Lauren?

0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:35.800
<v Speaker 4>There's so many questions, just one of the time. Please kidding,

0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:39.120
<v Speaker 4>We're kidding. I don't know why did they I guess

0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:41.200
<v Speaker 4>it was just a kind of a cute little Tree

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:44.280
<v Speaker 4>Hill thing, little Tree Hill trademark.

0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think because there were so many nicknames with

0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:52.560
<v Speaker 2>our last names. You know, you were always called Hailey,

0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:55.960
<v Speaker 2>James and it was P. Sawyer and B. Davis, and

0:47:56.440 --> 0:48:00.760
<v Speaker 2>it was a way to keep those names in the running.

0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:06.880
<v Speaker 2>And then I know that Jude was a reference to

0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, the famous Beatles song Hey Jude, and because

0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:16.080
<v Speaker 2>it was adjacent to Julian, So since Davis would have

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Brooks last name, Jude was almost like a Julian junior.

0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:22.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah that makes sense.

0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 2>But no, we never got input on the names.

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.239
<v Speaker 4>Definitely not No, I was a writer's room only.

0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Well should we spin a wheel?

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:31.440
<v Speaker 4>That's been a wheel?

0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I wish Rob was here. This is fun. I know

0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 1>this is perfect.

0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:46.919
<v Speaker 2>After the last episode all on miss Lauren, who's most

0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:49.920
<v Speaker 2>likely to send a naughty text to the wrong person?

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:52.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, clearly it's miss Lauren.

0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, by the way, we have our answer.

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:58.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, obviously, I don't know for all of us, who's

0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:01.439
<v Speaker 4>who's clumsy enough to do that. I am neurotic about

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:03.880
<v Speaker 4>sending text messages and making sure it's the right person

0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:05.240
<v Speaker 4>because I've messed up before.

0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:07.200
<v Speaker 2>And no, yeah, I don't.

0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't do that. I don't.

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:10.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:16.560
<v Speaker 2>I also just don't trust devices, like, yeah, no, that's not.

0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:19.319
<v Speaker 4>Happening even Oh, I just mean even like a like

0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:21.040
<v Speaker 4>an actual text message, not.

0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:23.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh I know, but I'm like, you know it says

0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:26.560
<v Speaker 2>a naughty text. I'm like I was doing that. Does

0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:31.440
<v Speaker 2>anyone pay attention to the internet, Like, come on, guys, no, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know who would I'm trying to think in

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<v Speaker 4>real life, but who would actually Probably Paul, one of our.

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<v Speaker 2>Producers, just said, obviously nanny Debb.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I could see Barbara doing that, like accidentally sending one

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<v Speaker 4>to one of her one of her girls or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead of her cute boyfriend boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 4>Embarrassing, but you know, her daughters are so cool. They

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<v Speaker 4>have such a great relationship. They'd be like, uh, wrong number, mom.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd be like hot though, yeah, taking tips from mom.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what's coming up next?

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<v Speaker 7>Self?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe it? Next episode? Season nine, episode one?

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<v Speaker 2>Know this we've noticed.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, friends, We'll see you soon. Thanks for joining

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