WEBVTT - A Tale of Two Steves

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<v Speaker 1>On this episode of This League, we're doing some coach talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Steve Kerk committed to the Warriors tanking? Does Steve

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<v Speaker 1>Nash know what he's doing in Brooklyn? We also get

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<v Speaker 1>into the NBA's money grab that is the All Star Game,

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<v Speaker 1>and we delve in a more listener DM. So, without

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<v Speaker 1>further ado, today is a day and a tale of

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<v Speaker 1>two Steves. One homie is super pressed, Yeah to the

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<v Speaker 1>fucking max, and the other Steve seems to be not

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<v Speaker 1>pressed at all. One guy is like, holy shit, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on the chopping block, and the other guy is like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, we're thinking about contending in twenty twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the world that we're living in a tale

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<v Speaker 1>of two Steves, a tale of two sons living in

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<v Speaker 1>two vastly different headspaces. So let's start with the Warriors, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because why not? What is going on in Golden State?

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing good? Nothing good, That's all I could say.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand what's happening. It's like they want to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the playoffs, but they don't want to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the playoffs. Like I'm upset. I want to see

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<v Speaker 1>Steph Curry do Steph Curry things? This is what we

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<v Speaker 1>are looking for, folks. Will he be batman? And Steph

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<v Speaker 1>is determined to show us that he is, and Steve

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<v Speaker 1>Kurry is determined to keep that man down. They've lost

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<v Speaker 1>five five games because Steve Kerr is fucking around and

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<v Speaker 1>limiting Steph Curry's minutes in crunch time. If they won

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<v Speaker 1>four out of those five games because it was tight,

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<v Speaker 1>it was close, they're in third in the West. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the facts. That is the case. He's just sitting them

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<v Speaker 1>just at random times that are very important. Second quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter. I don't know that seems that seems like

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<v Speaker 1>those are moments that matter the most. Yeah, pretty important,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty important times. And so after an L. So they

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<v Speaker 1>took an L on Monday night against the San Antonio

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<v Speaker 1>Spurs that they should have won, and the media said, hey, Kerr, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's good. Why isn't Curry playing at some of the

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<v Speaker 1>most crucial times in the game. And he was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's part of our plan. We're not chasing this guy's that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not chasing wins. We're chasing longevity. What we're focusing

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<v Speaker 1>on keeping Steph fresh for the next not three to

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<v Speaker 1>five months, folks, but three to five years. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard that in my entire life. We are not focused

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<v Speaker 1>on winning games this season. Play the clip.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not interested in grinding through this season, which is

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<v Speaker 3>already a very difficult season, given the called, the regulations,

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<v Speaker 3>and just the nature of the games themselves. Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>these theory empty stadiums. This is for me, for our organization,

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<v Speaker 3>We're not We're not throwing stuff out there for forty minutes, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>to to chase wins. We got another game tomorrow. We want,

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<v Speaker 3>we want Steph to be playing at a high level

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<v Speaker 3>for many years, so we're gonna stay very disappointed, try

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<v Speaker 3>to keep them at that thirty four to thirty five

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<v Speaker 3>minute mark.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Marty, tell me what you thought about that.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I've never heard a professional coach of or

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<v Speaker 4>not even just professional. I've never heard a coach of

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<v Speaker 4>any kind say anything remotely close to that. Literally, just

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<v Speaker 4>straight up admitting we're not trying to win games.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not here to grind out wins. Are you serious?

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna limit Steph to thirty five minutes? No, man,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what, he can't ever play forty minutes. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't under I don't. I am so baffled by that statement.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, Steph Curry is also baffled by

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<v Speaker 1>that statement because in crunch time against the San Antonio Spurs,

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<v Speaker 1>he Ice grilled Steve Kerr for like thirty straight seconds,

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<v Speaker 1>like are you gonna put me into the game or not?

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<v Speaker 1>And it was like or not? This is a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Please someone tell Steve Kerr why you play the game? Hello?

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<v Speaker 1>No one's playing for longevity here, folks. How bad is it?

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<v Speaker 1>You now have a coach that's just given up on

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<v Speaker 1>his team winning games. He's like, this year is an

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<v Speaker 1>l we're taking. We're just gonna lose games on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>That's about as close to saying we're losing on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>You do not say that unless in your heart of

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<v Speaker 1>hearts you know that you can't truly compete. Kind of

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<v Speaker 1>entitled shit five finals in a row? Kind of shit?

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<v Speaker 1>Was that? Like, you know what, if we can't win

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<v Speaker 1>at all, we're just not gonna win at all? Like

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<v Speaker 1>what that is? That is absurd? This is a year

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<v Speaker 1>to year sport, folks. We don't know if Klay Thompson's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come back healthy next year. You are not certain

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<v Speaker 1>that Steph Curry after my conversation with the Light Years

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<v Speaker 1>boys out in the bay, you're not certain that Steph

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<v Speaker 1>Curry is going to re sign to a max contract.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know if you have him for the next

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<v Speaker 1>three to five years. He hasn't signed on the dotted

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<v Speaker 1>line yet. No one knows what's going to happen. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to I want to see Steph Curry eight seed

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<v Speaker 1>against the Lakers. That's what I want to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd love that.

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<v Speaker 1>This is all part of their master plan. They are tanking.

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<v Speaker 1>I have said it. They are tanking again, either for

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<v Speaker 1>picks or to package picks with James Wiseman and get

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<v Speaker 1>somebody that's on the trade block. Why else would you

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<v Speaker 1>have Kelly Hubray and Andrew Wiggins out there at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time If it wasn't to tank. There's no other explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>The front office probably thought to themselves, Listen, if we

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<v Speaker 1>have Andrew Wiggins and Ubra, we don't even need to

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<v Speaker 1>try to tank. It'll just happen naturally. It's just gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Curry decided, you know what, I've heard all

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<v Speaker 1>the slander, I'm gonna put on my best batman cape,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to elevate this team to heights that

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<v Speaker 1>no one could have ever foreseen. He started doing Curry

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<v Speaker 1>things and then oh my god, Uber got his mind

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<v Speaker 1>right and he got hot, which he's prone to do.

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<v Speaker 1>That boy can get hot. And then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Wiggins is playing okay in front office is like, fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>what are we gonna do now? Yep, We're not paying

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<v Speaker 1>Uber to drop forty. We're paying him to go two

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty eight from three.

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<v Speaker 2>I swear he wasn't this bad in Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 1>Him putting up buckets is the last thing we as

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<v Speaker 1>the Warriors need. Kurz, like Draymond, I have a brilliant idea.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys want to win and we certainly do not.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite all of our failed plans, I think we can

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<v Speaker 1>still pull this tanking thing off tonight. So let's break

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<v Speaker 1>down the final eight point seven seconds of Monday Nights

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<v Speaker 1>gave against the Spurs. So the Warriors are down by

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<v Speaker 1>three ball at mid court. The place should be what, Marty,

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<v Speaker 1>The place should go to Steph Curry.

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<v Speaker 2>That should be the first. That's the first.

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<v Speaker 1>But you gotta get Steph Curry free because they're locking

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<v Speaker 1>them down in order to do that, you usually set

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<v Speaker 1>a screen. Draymond decides to set the sloppiest goddamn screen

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen in my whole life, and Curry can't

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<v Speaker 1>get free, and so Draymond's now got the ball still,

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<v Speaker 1>and with six seconds to go, he decides to pull

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<v Speaker 1>his best impression of Logo Lillard and shoot from forty

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<v Speaker 1>with six full seconds left in the game, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course it just barely barely missed. Yeah, it hit the

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<v Speaker 1>backboarder slams the backboard. Game over. It's almost like Steve

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<v Speaker 1>Kerr feared overtime because he would have to give Steph

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<v Speaker 1>Curry more minutes than he was planning to.

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<v Speaker 2>How funny would it have been if you just drained it?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that would have been incredible. I bet Steve

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<v Speaker 1>Kurr would have been pissed. Yeah, So after the game,

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<v Speaker 1>they asked Steve Cerr about Draymond Praymon green shot and

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<v Speaker 1>his response was because they were like, yo, why did

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<v Speaker 1>he shoot that? What was he doing? And then and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, well, they thought Draymond thought that they he

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<v Speaker 1>would you know, they were gonna foul him, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Spurs don't do that. And maybe I should have

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<v Speaker 1>told them that, he said, I maybe should have told

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<v Speaker 1>the team that the Spurs never foul when you're down three.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not gonna send you to the free throw line.

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<v Speaker 1>So him just chucking up the ball didn't make any

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<v Speaker 1>damn sense. Steve Kerr, what do you mean you should

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<v Speaker 1>have told them that, maybe, Yeah, you played for Papovich,

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<v Speaker 1>you coached for Papovich, You knew exactly what he was

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<v Speaker 1>about to do, and you just on purpose decided you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't gonna script that out for them. Time out on

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<v Speaker 1>the side, you got the got your little clipboard up,

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<v Speaker 1>and you decide what you're not gonna tell him. Kerr

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<v Speaker 1>has now gone from one of my favorite coaches in

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<v Speaker 1>the league to maybe my least favorite coach in the league.

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<v Speaker 1>What is he fucking doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Not much, not a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 1>He's given up on winning. I've never heard of this

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<v Speaker 1>in my The more I think about it, the more

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<v Speaker 1>outraged I get. Can you imagine him sitting Steph Curry

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<v Speaker 1>in the fourth quarter of a game with the Warriors

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<v Speaker 1>one game out in a play in in the bubble?

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<v Speaker 1>Does he limit to staff to thirty five minutes in

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<v Speaker 1>Game three against the Lakers, like, what the fuck. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom line. In my opinion, Kerr knows the as

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<v Speaker 1>long as Lebron James is in the West, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>doing a goddamn thing. So he's just like, YI, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not chasing wins as long as Lebron is in LA.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the longevity that he's talking about. We are currently

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<v Speaker 1>looking into cryogenic options for Steph Curry and Clay until

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirty. We're trying to find that, you know, that

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<v Speaker 1>sweet spot between the time that Lebron James retires in

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<v Speaker 1>the time that Bronni James becomes dominant. That period of

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<v Speaker 1>time that's when we're going to start to win again.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully we've accumulated enough lottery picks that turn into something

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<v Speaker 1>in the next eight years in order for us to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to compete. Until then we out we're here

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<v Speaker 1>to just like stay in the mix, not get blown out,

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<v Speaker 1>but not really make the playoffs. So I may have

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<v Speaker 1>to recon consider my statement. With all of this to

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<v Speaker 1>be said, I am going to say this where I

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<v Speaker 1>earlier said, if Curry got to the Western Conference finals,

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<v Speaker 1>I would give him a kpe. He would be batman.

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<v Speaker 1>But if he can single handedly undermine a fully orchestrated

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<v Speaker 1>organizational tank led by Steve Kerr which seems to be happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and managed to drag this dog shit team into the

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<v Speaker 1>playoffs all by himself. While you've got Draymond Green throwing

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<v Speaker 1>up bricks from forty feet at the end of games

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<v Speaker 1>and Steve Kerr limiting his minutes, give that man a cape.

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<v Speaker 1>Eve Nash is pressed. He's so pressed. Listen, it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about Steve Nash, Marty. It's been coming for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time. We are a Brooklyn Nets pod, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Nets have been in the news every single day.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like we've discussed them for nearly every show.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, credit to me, I haven't said

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<v Speaker 1>a peep, not one peep up, you know, I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of saying I haven't said as much of a peep

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<v Speaker 1>as I really have wanted to. And that that ends

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<v Speaker 1>right now, Yes it does. When is it time to

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<v Speaker 1>say that the Nets is Steve Nash are in trouble?

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<v Speaker 1>Trouble when.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it probably is.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>They're losing to some pretty terrible teams.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're pretty much only losing to Terrory. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>are four and eight against sub five hundred teams. Think

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<v Speaker 1>that again to yourself, four and eight against teams sub

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred. Eight of their twelve losses are against sub

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred teams. They can't win on the road, they

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<v Speaker 1>can't win close games. Steve nash Er boy looks lost.

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<v Speaker 1>They're yelling at each other during games, and they just

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<v Speaker 1>still majority of the time can't play defense. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care about that. And then putting the clamps on the

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<v Speaker 1>Indiana Pacers in the third quarter where they only score

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<v Speaker 1>twelve points, I don't care about that. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of the time. They just let you walk

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<v Speaker 1>on through. Everyone is now blaming It's like in Vogue

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<v Speaker 1>because James Harden is the target, everyone's blaming him. But

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<v Speaker 1>who was the one going after DeAndre Jordan for missing

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<v Speaker 1>his defensive assignments? That was James Harden. Yo, play d

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<v Speaker 1>d up. It's almost like to me, this team as

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<v Speaker 1>a whole really just doesn't give a fuck a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things in flocks, new coach, new players, covid. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just chill turn it on when we want, turn

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<v Speaker 1>it off when we want. So that actually makes me

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<v Speaker 1>wonder whether I should actually be worried at all. So

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<v Speaker 1>you flip this stat and then you become optimistic. They're

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<v Speaker 1>ten and four against winning teams. Wow, when they want

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<v Speaker 1>to try, they try.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that one sounds pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>That one sounds good. They're not bad, they're apathetic, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they can turn it on against a team like

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<v Speaker 1>the Clippers and then lose to a team like the Pistons.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just crazy. So what if they're the one seed, Marty,

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<v Speaker 1>what if they play an eight? Are they gonna give

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<v Speaker 1>up two or three games to an eight seed? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Would they rather be a four?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? They wud play like five and six?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I mean it's definitely interesting. I think this roster

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<v Speaker 4>has just a shit ton of problems. Like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I know this is gonna be a Nash segment, but

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<v Speaker 4>there's no depth to this team at all. And there's

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<v Speaker 4>really besides those three guys and Joe Harris, there's really

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<v Speaker 4>no shooters. Well tlcs a shooter, but there's.

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<v Speaker 1>No nobody interior presence wise.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean the whole DeAndre Jordan being your starting

0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:44.840
<v Speaker 1>center just never was.

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<v Speaker 2>He's sad to watch now.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is the ultimate in nepotism for someone who

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<v Speaker 1>is well, it's almost like Steve Nash. Actually, it's somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who just does not belong there.

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<v Speaker 4>Can we not compare Steve Nash and beyondre Jordan please,

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<v Speaker 4>it's so.

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<v Speaker 1>A fan DMS KD and the fan, like me, is concerned,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fan says, not gonna lie as a fan,

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<v Speaker 1>This shit is embarrassing. He slides into into kd's DMS.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, KD and KD fashion says. He responds, He's

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<v Speaker 1>not like the rest of us, who says block. He responds,

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<v Speaker 1>Shit's gonna be I ye, And it's true. I think

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<v Speaker 1>with KD and Kyrie and Harden all deciding to try

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<v Speaker 1>and synchrony no COVID scares and a bubble, shit just

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<v Speaker 1>might be all right for them. But for Steve Nash,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure that it is going to be all

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<v Speaker 1>right for him because, as one Twitter fan said it best,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Nash is currently getting paid. He's currently getting paid

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<v Speaker 1>for a courtside seat to nets game. He's just there.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just there taking up space during the game. I

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<v Speaker 1>love that you have to just sit through this.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to get it's fine, it's fine. You honestly

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<v Speaker 4>haven't said anything. I disagree with too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet during the game, the camera doesn't even pan to

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<v Speaker 1>him because they know he's not doing shit and is

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<v Speaker 1>irrelevant to the broadcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's just the chief.

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<v Speaker 1>Of communications for the Brooklyn Nets. Okay, he's standing up

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<v Speaker 1>there on the podium to discuss why you just lost

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<v Speaker 1>to another sub five hundred team with platitudes about how

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<v Speaker 1>it's up to them. You know, it's manifestured destiny. Who

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to be tomorrow? It starts today. It's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like this dude doesn't know what he's doing. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick peek into the mind of a Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Famer point guard turn head coach and his assessment

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<v Speaker 1>of what went wrong against the Pistons. My message was,

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<v Speaker 1>here we go personal pride, personal pride.

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<v Speaker 5>Connectivity and coming together makes resistance. We can't start the

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<v Speaker 5>game down ten twenty in the second half.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm expecting it to come easy.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, this is professional sports. The other team is

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<v Speaker 5>talented and capable, and we're shorthanded and we're small. We

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<v Speaker 5>got to come out extremely sharp, extremely competitive, and we're

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<v Speaker 5>a real fire. And it takes us getting down twenty

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<v Speaker 5>to find that fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, it's almost like, should someone should have told

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<v Speaker 1>the nets that the Pistons just took the Lakers to

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<v Speaker 1>double overtime and then Jeremy Grant is the problem. But hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that's on the players, right, It's only them that watches

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<v Speaker 1>game film. He was hired because he was a two

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<v Speaker 1>time MVP level point guard with a basketball IQ off

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<v Speaker 1>the charts, and when shit goes wrong, he sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a high school coach worried about getting fired, talking about

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<v Speaker 1>heart and resistance and team identity and pride, try men,

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<v Speaker 1>try harder compete. Anyone can say those words. That's just

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<v Speaker 1>like a sentence of random you know, leadership buzzwords that

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<v Speaker 1>you hear at some convention. You do not need a

0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:15.800
<v Speaker 1>nine time All Star to spit buzzwords. What is he doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I swear the only words missing were grit and mental toughness.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a leader that is not leadership. These are the

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<v Speaker 1>words that you see on an inspirational mini tear tear

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<v Speaker 1>away calendar sitting on your desk. You know the ones

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like the guy like at the edge of

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<v Speaker 1>a cliff and it's a sunset on a big rock

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<v Speaker 1>and then you just see like bravery. That's like where

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Nash is getting his postgame inspirational thoughts from that's

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<v Speaker 1>how he speaks. He speaks in those terms instead of

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<v Speaker 1>prepping the nets for I don't know the things that

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<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to be good at. You sound like you're

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<v Speaker 1>taking words from Les Brown's instagram. He wants to be

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<v Speaker 1>basketball's version of Tony Robbins instead of being the next

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Spolstra. And I tell you what that is, A pblum.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know if he's watching games,

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe he's I don't know what he's doing. He

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<v Speaker 1>should be watching games, but it sounds like maybe his

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<v Speaker 1>league pass. They still stuck in Manhattan Beach and so

0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.760
<v Speaker 1>all the Lakers games are blacked out, And so he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know that Jeremy Grant took Lebron James to two overtimes.

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<v Speaker 1>It is just baffling. Here is the sound currently coming

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<v Speaker 1>from Sean Marks's office. I'd like someone finds Jack Bauer

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<v Speaker 1>for Steve Nash. Please. This man's about to get fired.

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<v Speaker 1>I said it now, this leekue. We are having an

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<v Speaker 1>All Star game in Atlanta, a COVID hot spot in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of a fucking pandemic with fans not surprisingly,

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<v Speaker 1>players are not super excited about it. In fact, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say no one is excited about it. Not find

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<v Speaker 1>a single positive statement about it on record. Actually, you

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<v Speaker 1>have multiple players deciding fuck it. I might get fined

0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.280
<v Speaker 1>by the NBA, but I'm going to drag them for

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<v Speaker 1>this terrible, terrible decision. Dearreon. Fox says, I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be brutally honest. This is this is dumb,

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<v Speaker 1>this is stupid. Lebron said, I have zero energy and

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<v Speaker 1>zero excitement about playing this game. Even Jannis, who we

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<v Speaker 1>know isn't exactly controversial, said I have absolutely no enthusiasm

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<v Speaker 1>about playing in this game. And of course because we

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<v Speaker 1>have a Yoda in the league who barely ever speaks,

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<v Speaker 1>but when he does, it's always telling truths. The best

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<v Speaker 1>one came from Kawhi, who is now the profit of

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA. Play the clip.

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<v Speaker 6>It is what it is at this point. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>we all know why we're playing it. You know, is

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<v Speaker 6>money on the line. It's opportunity to make more money.

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<v Speaker 6>Mean just putting money over health right now so much.

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, I mean, if we're playing games now and

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<v Speaker 6>it's still a pandemic, doing all these protocols and reals,

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<v Speaker 6>so it doesn't really surprise me.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, he said, it's money over health, so it really

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't surprise me. Yikes. And you know it's bad when

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<v Speaker 1>even the NBA coaches are jumping in the mix, like

0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Mike Mullan's like, personally, I would rather maybe kind of

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<v Speaker 1>sort of want to stay with my family. This NBA

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<v Speaker 1>season is packed as it is, Like, maybe we should

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<v Speaker 1>just have a bye week. This seems like a bad,

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<v Speaker 1>bad idea. It seems like almost every single person thinks

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<v Speaker 1>this is a bad idea, except for one. Chris Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>the end BPA president. What did he say about this

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<v Speaker 1>growing revolt.

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<v Speaker 4>I've got it right here, he said, Uh, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not the only guy in the league that lives

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<v Speaker 4>without their family.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold on pause.

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<v Speaker 4>That is a shot keep going, it is, uh, And

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<v Speaker 4>so guys look at that break as an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 4>see their families. It's a lot of different things going

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<v Speaker 4>on right now. But you just hope that guys understand

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<v Speaker 4>that decisions are being made, especially as far as the

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<v Speaker 4>union has always got the full body of players in mind.

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<v Speaker 4>But emotions happen. Guys have feelings, and you've got to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to.

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<v Speaker 2>Express them, and I respect that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the NBPA has the full body of players in mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, the All Star Game is the conduit to

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<v Speaker 1>feed the blue collar players in the league. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is for them. This is for any other reason,

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<v Speaker 1>but for them. This is philanthropy in action. How dare

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<v Speaker 1>Yannie try to take the food off the table of

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<v Speaker 1>lugent stort. This is how we spread the wealth of

0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:09.119
<v Speaker 1>the bench mob. The Mason Plumleys of the world wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be able to eat if it wasn't for the NBA

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<v Speaker 1>All Star Game, if it wasn't for Quavo versus Jimmy Kimmel.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Chris Paul for that needed perspective about why

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<v Speaker 1>the All Star Game is here in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>an unprecedented pandemic.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, how else is Dennis Smith Junior gonna find

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<v Speaker 4>porn stars? I mean without the All Star weekend? Big fat,

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<v Speaker 4>Let's think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>He should have said that. First of all, what I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to say is, Chris Paul, is that James Harden

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<v Speaker 1>is a personal friend of mine and former teammate, and

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<v Speaker 1>he loves Atlanta, so we're doing this for him. The

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<v Speaker 1>NBA is just going to do anything to play this game,

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<v Speaker 1>they though, no matter what, have now been put on

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<v Speaker 1>notice by one of the most likable players in Karl

0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:57.159
<v Speaker 1>Anthony Towns, but also the most respected as it relates

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<v Speaker 1>to this topic because he's been the most impacted by

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<v Speaker 1>So it started when he just lit him up flames fire,

0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:07.000
<v Speaker 1>almost to the point where I was like, ooh, maybe

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:10.480
<v Speaker 1>they won't even have this. It started when Sham's reported

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:15.800
<v Speaker 1>that Carl Anthony Towns was playing two nights ago, even

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<v Speaker 1>though Kitty Kat had been out for a solid month

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<v Speaker 1>due to COVID complications. So he found out on Twitter

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:27.159
<v Speaker 1>he was playing against the Clippers, and it appears to

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<v Speaker 1>be It appeared to be a surprise to everyone, especially

0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:34.040
<v Speaker 1>Karl Anthony Towns, who tweeted out, this is news to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Last time I checked. I was going to go through

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<v Speaker 1>shoot around and see how I feel. Underlying conditions and

0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 1>COVID don't mix well. Like, hey, uh, I'm a like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is my decision? What do you mean? So to

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<v Speaker 1>top it off, they asked him after he played a

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<v Speaker 1>full thirty one minutes, hey, can you give us your

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<v Speaker 1>take on You knew that they were about to like

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<v Speaker 1>put ghastline on the fire. They're asking Karl Anthony Towns

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<v Speaker 1>when his COVID take is on the All Star Game,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, I don't personally believe that there should

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<v Speaker 1>be an All Star Game, And then there was a long,

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:11.479
<v Speaker 1>dead pan silence and he says, but what do I know?

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 1>What experience have I had with COVID?

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<v Speaker 2>Nikes damn.

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<v Speaker 1>For those who don't know, Karl Anthony Towns has lost

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<v Speaker 1>seven members of his family to COVID, including his fifty

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:33.200
<v Speaker 1>eight year old mom. His own experience put him out

0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:38.680
<v Speaker 1>for a solid month, missed thirteen games due to those complications.

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 1>He said, COVID did not treat me well whatsoever. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it treats anyone well. A lot of

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:48.080
<v Speaker 1>scary nights. Through all the long nights, I was just

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:52.000
<v Speaker 1>not feeling well whatsoever. My vitals weren't good and the

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:58.440
<v Speaker 1>decisions had to be made on my health. So wow,

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA is going to tell players like Karl Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Towns that they have to play in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>a pandemic. They're gonna find players if they don't feel

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:12.359
<v Speaker 1>comfortable playing in an exhibition game. And as Dearon Fox said,

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the fine is quite hefty if you don't play, So

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<v Speaker 1>the show is gonna go on. I am personally sickened. Uh,

0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:23.680
<v Speaker 1>and I am almost certain that this weekend is going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen, even though players think it's a terrible idea.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's the craziest part is that fans and players like,

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<v Speaker 1>no one gives a fuck about this game. No, no one,

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<v Speaker 1>no one's gonna watch. Players don't give a shit. Fans

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:43.200
<v Speaker 1>do not give a shit. No one, frankly in general

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:44.920
<v Speaker 1>likes the All Star Game as a whole.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's what I was kind of saying. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>give a shit about the All Star Game, like under

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<v Speaker 4>normal circumstances where the actual game, I like All Star Saturday,

0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:53.560
<v Speaker 4>but the actual game, who gives a fuck?

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:55.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just gonna be an opportunity for us to

0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:59.880
<v Speaker 1>all shit talk how terrible it is, why it shouldn't

0:26:59.880 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>be happening, and probably some great memes in the process.

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:08.280
<v Speaker 1>The Dark Contest hasn't been relevant consistently in twenty years.

0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 1>It's been on life support. The only reason it's not

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:14.120
<v Speaker 1>completely dead is because of Zach Lavine and Aaron Gordon. Yeah,

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 1>the Rising Stars game, the Taco Bell skills challenge, Rachel

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Tameeta versus Spice Adams crossing up like oh like, no

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 1>one cares about that.

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:25.679
<v Speaker 2>I like Rachel.

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, you can find her on TikTok. You don't

0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 1>need a freaking All Star weekend for this. An all

0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Star game during COVID, This, folks, is a money grab.

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 1>If you didn't know that the NBA did not care

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 1>about the health and safety of their players because of

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:47.640
<v Speaker 1>the season happening the way that it has, you now

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:50.880
<v Speaker 1>know it. With this exhibition game is sad where we

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 1>are money over health. Like I said last episode four

0:27:54.840 --> 0:28:01.160
<v Speaker 1>hundred dms, all with very cocent, sort of flame related

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 1>NBA questions. So let's get into.

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Them, got you? Okay? Number one?

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 4>Are the Hornets ever going to be a reputable organization?

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:15.159
<v Speaker 1>That's such a loaded question, isn't it. I mean I

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:19.239
<v Speaker 1>think that they are right now, what we're seeing is

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 1>sort of Ah, you don't believe it.

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm excited to hear what I guess.

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Reputable is sort of relative. I mean, they have been

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 1>so bad for so long and such a disgrace and

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:41.160
<v Speaker 1>so embarrassing and throwing away their their like player you

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 1>would want to have for your dynasty. Well, I guess

0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>what you would ever call your your franchise player. Dynasty

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 1>is way too loose off a term you got rid

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>of Kimba, and then everyone thought this would never ever

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 1>be anything. And then all of a sudden, you made

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 1>some moves. Right, You've got LaMelo now he love Yeah,

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 1>he's opening up Gordon Hayward. That move was I would

0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 1>say stunning. Terry Rozierra's balling, DeVante Graham doesn't have to

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 1>play hero ball anymore. Now, Miles Bridges is taking another step.

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they've got pieces. And on top of that,

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 1>players that were busts have now become serviceable. PJ. Washington,

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Malik Monk have had tremendous games this season.

0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Monk played really well the other night.

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So you've got a team that is the NBA

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 1>League Pass Team of the Year. So I would say

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 1>that's reputable. That's much better than an embarrassment. So on

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>a night tonight basis, you talk about betting, this team's

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>insane against the spread. You take them almost every single

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 1>time besides two nights ago or it was just like,

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:50.960
<v Speaker 1>let's not talk about that game. I think what you're

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 1>doing is recency bias, Marty. They've been great. They've been great.

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:56.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean they are a great league pass team. And

0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 4>if that's the bar, then yeah, they're reputable.

0:29:58.840 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's move.

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I like it. Okay.

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 4>So next up we have who would you rather have?

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 4>Darren Fox, Colin Sexton or Jah Morant.

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 1>What a great question, huh that is? I love these questions.

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Couldn't ask for more exciting players to compare five years

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>from now. I would say these three dudes are gonna

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>be I don't know about faces of the league, but

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna be the stars that people are talking about

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 1>for sure every day. If you were to ask me

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 1>this question, I would probably give you a different response.

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally.

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>And you've got guys like Colin Sexton that he calls

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>himself the young bull and the issue with young bulls

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 1>as they sometimes are balls in a china shop and

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 1>break a bunch of shit, and that is that's Colin Sexton.

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Some games utterly unstoppable and then some games he has

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>like ten turnovers and fourteen points, like not ideal. Jaw

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 1>can be the same way times that he's the best

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 1>player on the court no matter who's up against him,

0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>doing things on both sides of the floor, incredibly gifted,

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 1>athletically clutch. And then there's other games where it's like, yo, jah,

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 1>you are completely out of control. You just threw that

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>ball into the stance to no one. Your teammates are

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 1>not there. Okay, but Fox Fox has I don't know,

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 1>a calmness, a coolness even when he's not playing well,

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 1>he's never quite I don't know, out of control that

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>same way. He's been in the league obviously longer. But

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>I think right now, even though I change my mind

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:42.240
<v Speaker 1>on recency bias, Darren Fox is like much more consistent,

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>often just unguardable. I think the other night he had

0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 1>like seventeen straight points in the final seven minutes of

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 1>a game, just takes completely over. I think that was

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 1>against the Pelicans, puts his team on his back. The

0:31:55.960 --> 0:32:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Sacramento Kings are fun and winning mostly because because of

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>dear Fox. Sexton against the Nets is kind of like Deren,

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>But but Dieren does it much more often, I would say,

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 1>and in more high pressure games than those other two.

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those good Fox games are really awesome.

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>And they just keep coming more and more and more.

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Okay, switch into Wings. Next up, we have Tatum

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 4>or Doncic.

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 1>You would consider doncicch wing.

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I just read the first one in my bed. Okay,

0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Tatum or Doncic.

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Because that was exactly what my point where my point

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 1>was going. Okay, because I would take an elite wing

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 1>over an elite point guard any day. I like them both.

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I really like Luca. I think there's a part of

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>me that calls him a professional stat getter, like doesn't

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>get buckets in all of the right moments. But the

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:57.719
<v Speaker 1>truth is, I think for you to be a franchise

0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>that can go deep, you don't have to have you

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.720
<v Speaker 1>don't have to have like a top point guard anymore.

0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 1>And if you have a top point guard that it

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 1>does not mean you're gonna go deep. Ask CJ. McCollum

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 1>and Damian Lillard. Like, our ceiling is now the Western

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Conference Finals and that's about as good as it gets.

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 1>So I think you need an elite wing in order

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:23.240
<v Speaker 1>to go deep. It's the most rare position. If you

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 1>had the money and you could spend it, I think

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>you spend it on Tatum over Daunches. I think you

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 1>could get like a Seth Curry and a Tatum and

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 1>do much better. Than you could get a Doncic and

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 1>some scrub on the wing. I think that's just facts.

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 1>And on top of that, I would say that Tatum

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>just has more skills than Luca does. Right now, he

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:50.840
<v Speaker 1>has a mid range game. He can pull up with

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 1>one dribble, two dribble, he has mid range step back.

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 1>He's a better defender. Right now, we've seen Tatum be

0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>the best player on a team that can go. We've

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 1>seen him take Lebron James to the brink seven games.

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I think Tatum is probably a better tone setter. I

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:13.800
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I like Luca. He has flashes, but uh,

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 1>but to me, it's just not close. Really, I know

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 1>this is gonna be get me flamed. This is one

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:22.319
<v Speaker 1>of those things where it's like, oh, Tristan doesn't watch basketball.

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.879
<v Speaker 1>Oh this girl why she's talking about sports? And it's

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:29.360
<v Speaker 1>like no, Like this is a cogent fucking argument. Jason

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Tatum's a top four player as a wing and a

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 1>top ten player overall. I don't know if I could

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.719
<v Speaker 1>say the same about Luca. And on top of that,

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 1>on top of that, don't want a fat shame, don't

0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:41.880
<v Speaker 1>want a fat shame. But Luca comes into camp fluffy.

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.400
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen that out of Jason Tatum, so that

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 1>gives me some concerns in terms of Luca's work ethic

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>long term overall as well. You don't like what do

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:52.439
<v Speaker 1>you think?

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 4>I probably agree with you right now, Like now you

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 4>have to take Tatum. Luca has shown some things this

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 4>year that are kind kind of red flags. I still,

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.799
<v Speaker 4>honestly if you said take one now and start a

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 4>team with, I think I'm going Luca.

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm taking the home run swing.

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He has a lot of upside. Yeah, yeah, I

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 1>mean his sky's the limit upside. But I am a

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 1>cynic and I take a sure thing every time, and

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I think Tatum is a sure thing.

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 4>I would love for him to be bad so people

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:23.480
<v Speaker 4>would stop making fun of us for not drafting him.

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:25.839
<v Speaker 1>That'd be great you got eight and instead of him. Huh.

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like that.

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I like that more.

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 2>I like it a lot lately.

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So next one is should the Raptors trade Lowry?

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 4>And then another question Lowry to the heat question.

0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Mark if the Raptors were smart they traded Lowry yesterday. Yeah,

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 1>it's over in Tampa Bay. We'll call it's over in

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Tampa Bay slash Toronto. They are not going anywhere. They

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 1>are obviously not going to contend. Things are not working.

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Kyle Lowry's making a shitload of money. The Heat are

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:01.880
<v Speaker 1>in a death viral. So I would say Kyle Lowry

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:03.919
<v Speaker 1>to the Heat makes a lot of sense. He has

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:07.440
<v Speaker 1>one more year after this on his contract. He is

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 1>perfect fit for the Heat culture. Great pat Riley guy

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 1>like Yeah, Kyle Lowry is a hard nose or he

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 1>does the little things, loves to work, loves to take

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:24.320
<v Speaker 1>a charge. That is him and dragas is just I

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:27.480
<v Speaker 1>don't I don't know where he is his ankle, his leg,

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:28.719
<v Speaker 1>his arm, I don't know.

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 2>I think I think we've seen the end.

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:31.920
<v Speaker 1>I think he's what. He's thirty something.

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 4>He's old, which is weird to me, old man as

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 4>a former son, he is old.

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I think, Riley, you take that deal. The Heat are

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 1>not particularly interested in paying a lot of money to

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:49.279
<v Speaker 1>any particular player, but for a year in change, I

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 1>think they would. I think that they automatically become much

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:58.720
<v Speaker 1>better with Kyle Lowry in the mix, and Jimmy Butler

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 1>should not be to pull this team out of the

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:04.320
<v Speaker 1>depths of hell when they only have like seven or

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:06.959
<v Speaker 1>eight guys through the COVID protocol at any given time.

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think I think if you can get

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:12.880
<v Speaker 1>to the finals again or at least like have a

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 1>reasonable shot to you do that now. And Kyle Lowry

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 1>already put his home up for sale in Toronto, so

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 1>I think he knows that the tea leaves are there

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:21.239
<v Speaker 1>as well.

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 4>Okay, do you see the Cavs as a playoff team

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:29.839
<v Speaker 4>within three years? And then this guy said, big fan

0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 4>love the show, thank.

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:32.839
<v Speaker 1>You, thank you. That's such a nice thing to say.

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.879
<v Speaker 1>Too many trolls out there. So good news, bad news

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>in Cleveland. The bad news is Kevin Love is making

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money and he's locked up until the

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:46.720
<v Speaker 1>end of time. He's locked up till twenty twenty four.

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 2>I think, so yeah, I think you're right.

0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Larry Nance Junior also locked up till twenty twenty four.

0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Not players that are, we'll call it additive to a franchise,

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:02.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of in a tough spot. But the good news

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 1>is Drummond comes off at the end of this year

0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 1>and he's making twenty eight million. And then you also

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 1>have some scrap change. So there's like three other guys

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 1>that come off the books. You have like thirty seven

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:18.960
<v Speaker 1>thirty eight million dollars to spend. I think they could.

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 1>The way that I think that they become a playoff

0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:24.719
<v Speaker 1>team within three years is this year they go after Oladipo.

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:30.399
<v Speaker 1>You pay him twenty something million, you have another ten

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 1>million to spend. You've got Sergebaca making ten and change.

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:41.120
<v Speaker 1>If you had Sergabaca, Victor Oladipo, sex Land, Colin Sexton,

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Darius Garland, that is a playoff team for sure.

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:48.840
<v Speaker 1>And then Kevin Loved after he has his honeymoon, he

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 1>gets healthy and he starts doing things. I think absolutely

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:56.319
<v Speaker 1>that's a seven seed, eight seed team.

0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I really like the way Jared Allen's playing for

0:38:58.400 --> 0:38:58.719
<v Speaker 2>him too.

0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I wonder he comes off the books too, So

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:03.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they're going to keep him or

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:05.400
<v Speaker 1>what they're going to do. He would be a great

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.839
<v Speaker 1>a player to keep around. So yeah, I would say

0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:12.279
<v Speaker 1>that team with that roster. I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 1>can attract that level of talent to Cleveland. That's tough,

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<v Speaker 1>but it would be fun times in Cleveland if that

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<v Speaker 1>were to happen. Fun times cland today I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>On down to Cleveland Town.

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