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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation. It's the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network. Wes Ruler and Matt Williamson finally back state

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Speaker 2: side with you here for the next two hours on

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Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

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Speaker 2: the Gold. And Matt, I think it's safe to say

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Speaker 2: we have just a little bit to talk about today.

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Speaker 3: Got that right, Yeah, short condensed week. I mean, we're

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Speaker 3: gonna pack it in this week, and that's kind of

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Speaker 3: what the trip was. Yeah, And it was glorious, to

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Speaker 3: be honest with you. I mean, some of it wears

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Speaker 3: on you and travel, and I'm not good at travel,

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Speaker 3: to be honest. But man, I just did a show

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Speaker 3: with Rob and Mike Pursuita and Pursuda said something along

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Speaker 3: lines up. I am so honored to be a part

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Speaker 3: of it, you know, I'm like, and that's a great

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Speaker 3: way to really look at it.

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Speaker 4: Great way to put it, Yeah, great way to put it.

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Speaker 2: I in fact, I found myself thinking that a lot too,

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Speaker 2: Like I think one of the things there's a lot

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Speaker 2: that we.

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Speaker 4: All love about the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you kind of grew up on the

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Speaker 2: tail end of the Steel Curtain era, right in that

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Speaker 2: in that in that glorious time period, I grew up.

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Speaker 3: I mean it was shoved on my throat, you know,

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Speaker 3: I grew up. I was ten years older. It wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have been exactly right, exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And I was in high school freshman when the Steelers

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Speaker 2: got one for the thumb in Super Bowl forty. I

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Speaker 2: was a senior when Santonio Holmes to tap in the

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Speaker 2: back of the end zone super Bowl forty three. So

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Speaker 2: we kind of were both like in the the golden.

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Speaker 4: Eras of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we know how much the Steelers mean to us,

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Speaker 2: to this city, to every like the generations, generations families, right.

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Speaker 2: I think the thing that I love about the Steelers

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Speaker 2: is how much they mean to Pittsburgh. Everybody across the

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Speaker 2: world knows Pittsburgh because of the Pittsburgh Steelers a lot.

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Speaker 2: And that's special. Like the Steelers brand is bigger than

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh's brand. Like the Yankees aren't bigger than New York,

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Speaker 2: you know, Celtics aren't bigger than Boston. Pittsburgh is bigger.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers are bigger than Pittsburgh, and.

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Speaker 3: I'm just racking my brain, like Packers are bigger than

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Speaker 3: Green Bay. Maybe the Canadians are bigger than montre.

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Speaker 2: There's not many of those. The you know, the Lakers

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Speaker 2: are not bigger than La Hardwood and all that.

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Speaker 4: Stuff is La.

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Speaker 2: You know. I was struck by that, Like because of

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Speaker 2: this football team that we all love so much. The

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Speaker 2: Steelers are Pittsburgh. Part of me is known across the world.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty stink and cool. And man, did we see

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Speaker 2: that show up in Dublin, Ireland for four or five days?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I had one uber driver that said, oh,

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Speaker 3: with the Steelers. Like Gary picked me up and he

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Speaker 3: asked something like, yeah, Steelers are from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, right,

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Speaker 3: And he's like, what the what's Pittsburgh known for. I'm

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Speaker 3: like football, Well, the Steelers football, steel Yeah. He's like, oh, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, but there's so many cool experience.

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Speaker 2: It really was, and we'll get into some of those

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Speaker 2: as we roll along, obviously. But the Steelers take down

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Speaker 2: the Vikings twenty four to twenty one in the NFL's

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Speaker 2: first ever regular season game in Dublin not the last,

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Speaker 2: I have a feeling and certainly will not be the last.

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Speaker 2: It was first class the entire way. The atmosphere at

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Speaker 3: It really was.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it ended up Matt two being a

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Speaker 2: maybe not for reasons that you know is Steelers people

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Speaker 2: up being a heck of a football game, an exciting game.

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Speaker 3: Too, more than it should have been down this ye

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Speaker 3: more than it should have been because I really thought,

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Speaker 3: unlike some other games this year, see part of me

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Speaker 3: was like, Karma's gonna get you, you know, like because

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Speaker 3: there were one of those some of those first three games,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not sure the Steelers are the better team,

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Speaker 3: but they got either with a win because they made

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Speaker 3: a big play at the right time. And we've talked

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Speaker 3: that to no end, and I'm sitting there going, Steelers

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Speaker 3: are pretty much dominated, you know, other than that first series.

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Speaker 3: From that point on both sides of the ball, I

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Speaker 3: And then you're sitting there at the end, going, they

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Speaker 4: Know, and a little bit tighter than we want to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and more so than any other game of the year.

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Speaker 3: Could you imagine the ramifications going into the bye week

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Speaker 3: and our trip home, and I mean everything about it,

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Speaker 3: I mean, and the importance to the Rooney family, and

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Speaker 3: mister Rooney spoke to the team. I guess on Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking this could be catastrophic, you know, and you're

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Speaker 3: starting to hear skull chants and like, uh oh, I'm

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Speaker 3: getting I'm tightening up here more than I have in

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Speaker 3: a long time for a game. And then they took

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Speaker 3: care of business and they were the better team. And

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Speaker 3: I think there's so many positives football and life to

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Speaker 3: take away from this whole experience.

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Speaker 4: You are absolutely right, and they did. Man, it felt

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Speaker 2: It felt like at a time they had a chance

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Speaker 3: I feel like they were for a while.

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Speaker 2: They certainly were. They were, without a doubt, for eighty

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Speaker 2: percent of that game. They had the upper hand, They

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Speaker 2: were were in control, better team, they were in control.

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Speaker 4: And you're right.

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Speaker 2: It's a regular season game, it's one out of seventeen,

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Speaker 2: but this one meant a lot more for all those

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Speaker 2: reasons that you just touched on. To have lost that moment,

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Speaker 2: that opportunity would have been huge, would have been catastrophic,

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Speaker 2: would have been something that they would have regretted forever.

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Speaker 2: But now it flips the other way. Ten you and

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Speaker 2: I both agree, Yes, there's going to be plenty more

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think so. I can't wait till the Steelers

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Speaker 3: actually get to be there as a road team so

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Speaker 3: they don't have to sacrifice a hope.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, all the details, all the minutia that we'll

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Speaker 2: get in today here, as we roll along ten years

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Speaker 2: from now, when there's more NFL games in Dublin, they're

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Speaker 2: going to show the first highlights of that. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: twenty years from now, thirty years from now, fifty years

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Speaker 2: from now, eighty years from now, when you and I.

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Speaker 4: Are both long gone, it'll be remember that.

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Speaker 2: Every time there's a game in Dublin, they'll roll that

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Speaker 2: sixty second highlight package of the first time the NFL

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Speaker 2: ever played here. It was the Steelers in the Vikings

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Speaker 2: and you'll see DK Metcalf going eighty yards and you'll

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Speaker 2: see the TJ. Watt interception in the Punta time capsule.

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Speaker 2: Stuff that is going to last forever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's funny because we open the show saying, you know,

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Speaker 3: the eras we both grew up and what the Steelers

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Speaker 3: mean to us. So I'm sure there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: folks in Dublin and Ireland that this was their first exposure.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: The first game I truly remember was the Steelers being

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Speaker 3: people and maybe subsequently their kids and grandkids will remember, Oh,

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Speaker 3: I remember when I was exposed to this, you know, Yes,

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Speaker 3: which is cool. Which is the whole purpose of all

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Speaker 3: an NFL expanding their wings.

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Speaker 2: And they've done it so well, and we see it

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Speaker 2: payoff in London and Germany and Mexico and Brazil and

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Speaker 3: You just wanted to watch watch games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we had kind of all had enough of the chaos.

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Speaker 2: But I had to drop up drop off some equipment

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Speaker 3: Where I left, and they were recording Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were recording their Monday morning show for on

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Speaker 3: And game close.

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Speaker 2: That's what he said. And he came up and was

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Speaker 2: just chatting with us briefly. Very nice guy, but he

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Speaker 2: He said, I want to thank you guys for bringing this,

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Speaker 2: bringing football to this island, to Ireland. What that What

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Speaker 2: this meant today for people like me who love the

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Speaker 3: Which you and I had very little to do with.

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Speaker 3: But thank you.

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Speaker 4: You're welcome, exactly right, he said.

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Speaker 2: The bone I have to pick though, is he said,

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Speaker 4: Just created here and.

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Speaker 3: Right, right, and times are tough for the bagels. No

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Speaker 2: Said sorry, buddy, you know, yeah, you know what we

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Speaker 4: On places that we go.

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Speaker 2: But Matt, it was all, well, that ends well for

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Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers, and there are a million different things

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Speaker 2: that we want to get into. We'll continue to tell

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Speaker 2: the field there at Croke Park to start with Aaron

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Speaker 2: Rodgers and another incredibly efficient, tidy, buttoned up performance from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a couple of bullet points to me

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Speaker 3: that are the headlines are both sides of this. Of

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Speaker 3: the coaching staff changed things I thought, and well and

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Speaker 3: positive results and some things we've kind of called for

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Speaker 3: but I approve of it, even if it wouldn't have worked.

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Speaker 3: I liked some of the coaching changes they made. They

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Speaker 3: ran the football. I mean that's a bullet point in itself,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, great defense continues to really shape

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Speaker 3: into you know, we we got laughed at a little

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Speaker 3: bit after the first couple of weeks, you guys thought

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Speaker 3: this might be a top five defense, and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: that was a hard limb to still be walking out on.

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Speaker 3: And now I'm feeling a little better that this defense

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Speaker 3: has a chance to be really good. But I'm glad

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Speaker 3: you brought up Rogers first because you look at his

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Speaker 3: stat line. I see you the box score open.

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Speaker 4: It was eighteen of twenty two, two hundred yards and

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Speaker 4: a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he brought so much more. I mean, he's

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Speaker 3: such an elevator and whatever ingredients you give him, he

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Speaker 3: makes a really good stew you know. And I think

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Speaker 3: that is really impressive. From the neck up. I think

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Speaker 3: he's so good. And a couple things like, yes, it's

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Speaker 3: Tim versus Flores, Sure, but Rogers even said before the game,

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Speaker 3: Poker analogy, I feel like Rogers hasn't had great cards

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and you know, we talked about do

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Speaker 3: And they didn't have to even go down that road,

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Speaker 2: our trip to Dublin, all things Ireland, and of course

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Speaker 2: the most important aspect, a twenty four to twenty one

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Speaker 3: We'll discuss the visions in trouble. We'll discuss them a

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Speaker 4: You absolutely can.

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Speaker 2: and chips over there. And speaking of the beef, Matt,

437
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 2: I tell you what I thought a big part of

438
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,639
Speaker 2: the Steelers success in the run game, the by far

439
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,200
Speaker 2: best performance in that department that we've seen through the

440
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,440
Speaker 2: first four games of the season. Yeah, the starting five

441
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,120
Speaker 2: offensive line deserves some credit for I think having their

442
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 2: best performance. But I love the usage that we saw

443
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 2: of Washington. I mean he played more snaps than DK

444
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 2: metcalf I believe correct.

445
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 3: He led all non all skill position players in snats.

446
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,120
Speaker 2: I mean always quarter Aaron Rodgers and the offensive line

447
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 2: out of the equation.

448
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 3: He was number one.

449
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 2: He was number one, which any of us expected that

450
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:19,439
Speaker 2: going into Dublin.

451
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,359
Speaker 3: No, that's even more extreme than I've called for. But

452
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 3: I've I've been on the soapbox now for about two

453
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 3: years that this league is full of freaks and athletic marvels,

454
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 3: and there's no question, but sometimes there's outliars. He's an

455
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,879
Speaker 3: outliar and teams have to hate playing against him. They

456
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 3: have to. I mean there's like the lineman bouncing off

457
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 3: him with the ball in his hands and his ability

458
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 3: to block. And people have even asked me today then

459
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,400
Speaker 3: they've asked me for a year. Rodger Jones doesn't work

460
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 3: out he's making a left tackle. I'm like, no, but

461
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 3: you could you know what I mean, you know, like

462
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 3: that's an option, which is insanity. There's not what you

463
00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 3: can't do that with any other running down. I'm just saying,

464
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 3: use them as you use them, and do it more. Now.

465
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of things. A play here

466
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 3: is first the negative. It sure looked to me and

467
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Speaker 3: I haven't rewatched it, but friar Mouth was the culprit

468
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 3: on the blockfield goal. You know, yes, And I think

469
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 3: he's in the doghouse right now. I mean he played

470
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 3: fifteen snaps. He was near the bottom.

471
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 2: Connor Hayward hay he was the fourth of the four

472
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 2: tight ends, right. I don't think any of us thought

473
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Speaker 2: we'd see that. I don't care how you feel about

474
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 2: Pas friar Mouth. I don't think anybody thought we would

475
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: see that the end.

476
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 3: No, Now, I think Washington's roll spiked, Anderson's role spike,

477
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 3: call him an extra tight end whatever. So someone's going

478
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 3: to suffer, we know that. But I think there's more

479
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 3: to that story with Friarmuth, and he's going to have

480
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 3: to dig himself out of the costo, the pero, you know,

481
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 3: I mean the house of the dog, and so we'll

482
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 3: see where he's at over the bye week. But he

483
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,479
Speaker 3: needs to bring more to the table period, and they

484
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 3: demoted him, you know, you know, I think that's flat

485
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 3: out what happened. So not everything's roses. If someone's going

486
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 3: to step up, then someone else loses playing time. But

487
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 3: Washington is a total freak and teams are gonna hate

488
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 3: playing against him, and you plug him next to Anderson

489
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 3: often on the same side the line of scrimmage. It's

490
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 3: back with my Larry with Pitt example, Like, I don't

491
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 3: even have to tell it. There's no deception here. We're

492
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 3: throwing the fade to number one. It's you know, yeah,

493
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 3: and we're gonna run right behind those guys and whoever

494
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 3: else there. And if you stop us, great, but you're not,

495
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 3: it's it's gonna wear on you.

496
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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

497
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 2: And it's again, it is one thing when you face

498
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,439
Speaker 2: those type of big athletic tight ends who are just

499
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: using the run game and you know you got that

500
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: coming at you. It's a whole other thing when he's

501
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 2: going for seven yards of reception and you have to

502
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 2: respect that element of his game as well too, because

503
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: not only can he run through you, he can run

504
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 2: past you. Yeah, it's just it's a nightmare matchup. Like

505
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 2: you kind of alluded to, that guy's on the field

506
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 2: and defensive coordinators who drives him nuts.

507
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do with that.

508
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 4: If they don't want to see it's right.

509
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: This might be an extreme example, and maybe it's because

510
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 2: we were in Europe, but like, do you know, joke

511
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 2: the basketball player for the Denver Nuggets and TVs are

512
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: our video producers wearing a Nuggets hat today.

513
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 3: So I only really watch NBA playoffs and said, he

514
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 3: blows me away.

515
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: And he is probably the best basketball player in the world.

516
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 2: So again, a little bit of that.

517
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 3: But but he's so unique.

518
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 2: He he can run past you, he can run through you.

519
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: He's a center, but he can trovel like a point guard.

520
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 2: He can step.

521
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 4: Dunk on you like shack. He can step out and

522
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 4: knock down a three.

523
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 3: He's the best passing big man I've ever seen.

524
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 4: He is.

525
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: He is truly one of the unique unicorns in NBA history. Yeah,

526
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 2: just the athleticism and the shooting ability that he has

527
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 2: at his size.

528
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 4: There's like some and again he might be probably.

529
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 3: He's an MVP.

530
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, he's an MVP League Final MVP. Like

531
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,719
Speaker 2: I said, one of the true all time great might be.

532
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: I mean probably him or dark Nowitzki are the best

533
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 2: European basketball players ever. Yeah, but there is like there's something.

534
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 3: He's a multiple time MVP, I believe.

535
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: I know he's one at least one, but I think

536
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 2: he's won an NBA championship. I mean, and he's an

537
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: all timer.

538
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 3: But he's an outlier.

539
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 2: He is an outlier that you don't see somebody like

540
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 2: this very often. It's hey Jamar Chase and t Higgins

541
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 2: and Joe Burrow or matchup nightmares. There's a lot of

542
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: great quarterbacks and wide receivers around the NFL.

543
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: And defense quarters have dealt with other awesome receivers in

544
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 3: awesome quarters.

545
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 2: Lamar and Derreck Henry or matchup nightmares. But there's a

546
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 2: lot of great athletic quarterbacks and running backs across the NFL,

547
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: Hurts and Barkley. You know, there's not a lot of

548
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: guys that can do what Darnell Washington.

549
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 3: Can you do. He's not as valuable as any of

550
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 3: the names we mentioned, No.

551
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 4: Absolutely, He's an outlier, that's the word.

552
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 2: And I think I think we're starting to see those

553
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 2: ingredients come together for him.

554
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 4: In the offense.

555
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 3: There's a few dudes, and I not that I'm smarter

556
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 3: than their staff or anything like that, but I've been

557
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 3: lobbying for several weeks and with Washington frankly for about

558
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 3: two years. I don't know how you take like Washington

559
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: and herbig off the field. They're two good I mean,

560
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 3: teams say thank you when you take him off the field,

561
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 3: and it almost doesn't even That's not a knock on

562
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 3: Highsmith or Friarmouth or John Who. But they're a nightmare

563
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: to play again.

564
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: Evitable, Yeah, just something good's gonna happen when they're on

565
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 2: the field.

566
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 3: If you know, this happened to like Russell Wilson whenever

567
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 3: he was a rookie. They had drafted Flynn to be

568
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 3: the starter. They drafted this young short dude out of

569
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 3: NC State in the third round. And every time they

570
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: put something on his plate, Pete Carroll is like, he

571
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 3: devoured it. So he put more in his plate, devoured it,

572
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 3: put more in his plate, devoured it, you know, like

573
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 3: I had to make him a starter. To me, that's

574
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 3: like Washington and her Big. It's like, okay, we saw

575
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 3: limited snaps. Now we'll give you eighteen. Now we'll give

576
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 3: you twenty. Now you'll be the skill position player that

577
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: has the most and every step of the way you've

578
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 3: translated to like, oh, this isn't sustainable. Herbig can't get

579
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: that many sacks per pass rush attempt. Well maybe let's see.

580
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 3: Let's see, let's see.

581
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 4: All right, and he's still doing as well too. We

582
00:25:58,840 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 4: will talk about it.

583
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 2: I know I'm on the defense at some point, but

584
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: you're absolutely right. And then like Matt though when you

585
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 2: combine that with Darnell his skill set, his outlier nature

586
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: playing that many snaps, you bring Spencer Anderson in the

587
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: fold as well too. Yeah, that's that's a nightmare. And

588
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 2: I think you and I just again the unique tight

589
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: end usage and what they have there. And as you said,

590
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: Anderson's kind of part of that equation when he comes

591
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: in is the extra big man in.

592
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:23,959
Speaker 4: A way too.

593
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: I mean he's an eligible receiver, you know.

594
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: Right, that's the Steelers matchup calling card. I think that

595
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: we've been looking for all season and we finally saw

596
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: come to fruition on Sunday.

597
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: I thought it would be thirteen personnel. Yes, you know

598
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 3: that they would be way higher than the league average

599
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 3: and thirteen personnel and that's not going the way and

600
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 3: they would be that would be their bread and butter,

601
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 3: and Washington would be heavily involved in that. And we've

602
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: talked about this for several weeks now, you and I

603
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: that if you look at the best offenses in the league,

604
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 3: almost all of them have something that's different than the others.

605
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: I mean, like last year, the Bills were by far

606
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 3: the most six offensive line ravens with Ricard right, I

607
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: mean it's just weird stuff that not only you super

608
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: talented with Lamar and Allen and all their stars, but

609
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: boyd they have something else. I also have to prepare

610
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 3: for during the week, which sucks, you know, Like I

611
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: gotta spend all this time dealing with what do we

612
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 3: do with Darnell Washington?

613
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: Now?

614
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: What do we do with him and Anderson on the

615
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: field together? How do we practice that? You know, we

616
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: haven't dealt with that or teams that use a true fullback.

617
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 3: That's hard, you know, we have this, haven't. It's not

618
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: the usual week of prep, you know. Like as great

619
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 3: as the burrow led Bengals are with three wide I

620
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 3: at least see that every week, you know what I mean.

621
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 3: They're better at it than most teams. But it's not unique,

622
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: you know. It's not an outlier. And I thought thirteen

623
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: personnel would be their outlier. And then he makes in

624
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: the wide receiver who's the biggest in the league too,

625
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 3: Like he's a monster too, you know. But if this

626
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: is it, okay, take it and run with it. Literally,

627
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it's you be that parallel, but

628
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 3: taking run with it, right, Take it and.

629
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 2: Run with it sometimes and it sometimes you need a

630
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 2: game like that. I think, like as you kind of

631
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: alluded to, like putting more on guys plates, and we're

632
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: gonna give you this and you handle it well and

633
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: then we'll go here.

634
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 4: I think there was a natural progression to get to

635
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 4: that point.

636
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, if you would have tried playing Washington that

637
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: many snaps in week one, tried play Anderson that many

638
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: snaps in week one. That's not to say like they

639
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: should have been doing this.

640
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 4: The whole time.

641
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 2: It takes time to come together, but that to me

642
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: is about as encouraging as I think pretty much anything

643
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: we mentioned. Like I said, I think there's a very

644
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: direct correlation that you can draw between that and the

645
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: Steelers having their most successful ground game of the season

646
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: so far.

647
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: Yes, now, Anderson isn't close through an outlier like Washington,

648
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: but I do want to give him credit too, because

649
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: almost every time you see a six offensive lineman on

650
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: the field, it's a tackle into your guys aren't used

651
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: to having all this space over here. That I get it.

652
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: Oh no, there's a Wat or a Garrett. I don't

653
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 3: know how to do that. Yeah I can. I'm a

654
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: close quarter type of guy. But Anderson is a very

655
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Speaker 3: smart and especially early in his Steeler career, versatile player.

656
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: I mean, now he's really settled in at guard, he

657
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 3: might be Isaac's you know successor next year. He played

658
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 3: a ton with the first team as the left guard.

659
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: But if you remember when he came out of school,

660
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: he flirted at right tackle. He played a lot of center.

661
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 3: Those two first two training camps, he played every position

662
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 3: but left tackle, So he might be more you know,

663
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: when I looked at like, well, if they ever go

664
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Speaker 3: six offensive lineman, do you want it to be a

665
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: Dylan Cook or a Calvin Anderson? Like, Okay, I'd prefer

666
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: it was a third round pick that had, you know,

667
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: tackle type guy. But this dude has played farther away

668
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: from the ball, So give him credit to be able

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Speaker 3: to do it, because most guards don't get asked to

670
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Speaker 3: do that.

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Speaker 4: No, that's very well said by you.

672
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: He is not a He's played every position on the

673
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: offensive line at some point in his career, but he

674
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: is not a tackle by trade, and that is a

675
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: that can be a tall ask for some. But he Yeah,

676
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: he's taken what they put on his plate and he

677
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: has handled it certainly very well. Got to talk about

678
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: some of these elements of the defense as well too.

679
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: Her Big DJ Watt, Cam Hayward, big game from a

680
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: lot of guys on the defensive side of the football,

681
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Speaker 2: will do that when we return on the other side.

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Speaker 2: West Shouler, Matt Williamson. It's the Drive on Steelers Nation

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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal, Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Closing down the first hour of the drive here, we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk to our buddy Chris Adamski of the

688
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: trip in about ten minutes to get his thoughts on

689
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Speaker 2: the Steelers victory over the Vikings. Matt, the offense, we've

690
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: kind of spent most of the the start of the

691
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: first hour there and they certainly deserve plenty of credit,

692
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: But so does this Steelers defense. The sacks were there,

693
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: the TFLs were there, the big impactful splash plays were

694
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: there against an offense that has a lot of superstars.

695
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson got his and that's to be expected. He

696
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: does that against everybody.

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00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 4: But other than that, good he is pretty stickid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's one.

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Speaker 2: There's every once in a while I'm like very excited

700
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: to see somebody in person live. Yeah, you know, like

701
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: I remember a couple of years ago when Tom Brady,

702
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: you know, came came to the Hines dak Rasher State,

703
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 2: Like this is great last year on Christmas, being able

704
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: to see mahomes with my own two eyes, you know,

705
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: those types of things. Even though I've seen him a

706
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: couple of times, I'm looking forward to seeing Josh Allen

707
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: here again, you know, a Thanksgiving weekend. He's one of

708
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: those guys. He got his that's to be expected. But

709
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: I thought across the board they kept the lid on

710
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: everything else. They frustrated that Vikings offense the whole day. Yeah,

711
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: you take that busted coverage out of the equation and

712
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: it's hard to find a lot of negative with what

713
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: the defense did.

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00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: One thousand percent. I thought it was definitely their best performance,

715
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: and you touched on it. But my favorite part about

716
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: the defense was they took the fight to them. They

717
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: were highly aggressive with lits and Okay, maybe you are

718
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: gonna beat us once in a while with single coverage

719
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: or whatever, but we're gonna come after you. And they

720
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: they got some things that went their way. You know,

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Speaker 3: O'Neill only lasted like ten or eleven snaps a really

722
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: good right tackle, and the poor guy that I've been

723
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: making fun of all week that was stuck at left tackle,

724
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Speaker 3: Skull had to go in, Who's bad.

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00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: As soon as that happened, you tapped me on the

726
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: shoulder and you were like, watch.

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Speaker 4: This, yeah, the feast.

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00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then they did smart things though too, like

729
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: the whole planet knew and Wat gets this all the time.

730
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: But Skull's gonna need help on every pass rush snap

731
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: against what wouldn't needed plenty. Every right tackle needs some,

732
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: but now you have.

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Speaker 4: To O'Neil's a two time Pro bowler and very good play.

734
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, a very good player. So what does the Steelers do.

735
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: They counter and they put Queen or a linebacker basically

736
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: sidecarring or right behind Watt, knowing and blitzing them, you know,

737
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: like they didn't do a lot of that in the past,

738
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: where Watt's going to command a double so I'm gonna

739
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: throw someone else at your front side, you know, and

740
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Speaker 3: someone like Queen. I thought they weaponized him really, really well,

741
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: and I think he's really starting to come into.

742
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 4: His own best game of the season by far, flying.

743
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: Around the field, tacking quarterbacks, a lot of Blitz and

744
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: Mike pursued at a good point. He thought that maybe

745
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: they would regret today, you know, in hindsight, not having

746
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: Ramsey follow Jefferson more. I think that's a good point.

747
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: And there were times where they left the back end

748
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: a little exposed due to Blitz. But another guy that

749
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Speaker 3: I think we have to call out is Elliott.

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Speaker 4: Great to see him.

751
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: And I said this earlier, but Dale and I used

752
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: to do our list of who are most important Steelers,

753
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: and if we were to just do the defense, rank

754
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: them one to fifteen. The guys that are out there

755
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 3: a lot. If I did that a month ago or

756
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: in training camp, Elliott with a lot of dudes ahead

757
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 3: of them because they're Watt and Hayward and Ramsey.

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00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like it's hard to put them, you know,

760
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 3: to they have to be high. But Elliott would have

761
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: been seven or eight, you know, with all due respect,

762
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 3: it's just a lot of guys or head. He might

763
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 3: be like third or fourth now, you know, because his

764
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: absence was so felt when he was gone. Communication errors

765
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 3: and they weaponize him too, you know, like he comes

766
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: in on that Blitz gets you know, flipped over, you know,

767
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 3: just attacking downhill attacking the run, you know, putting itself

768
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: in danger without any you know, playing fast aggressive. So

769
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 3: his presence was felt in a big way. Herbig's star

770
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: in the making. Yeah, exactly, yes, And now the the

771
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: D line rotation is where it should be and how

772
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 3: it thought it would be. With all respect to louder Milk,

773
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: you can't play guys like that as many snaps as

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00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: he did at the beginning of the season.

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Speaker 4: Nice to see you too, right be and the Connor

776
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 4: McGregor strut down the field a couple of times.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna mention is you know, Harmon

778
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: is the one that everyone's noticing his his ripple effect

779
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 3: on the other D linemen. But Benton should send him

780
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: a fruit basket, you know, Like I'm getting a lot

781
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: less doubles now, I'm gup field, I'm being used a

782
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: lot more Nickel, I'm being I'm not asked to play

783
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: eighty percent of the snaps anymore. I'm getting my talents maximized.

784
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: And you still have Equalle and Black that are fourth

785
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 3: and fifth on the list, but I think their best

786
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: is you have to come to You're gonna see more

787
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 3: of those guys. So the things are really shaping into form.

788
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 3: But it starts with their aggression and their play calling

789
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: and coming after people and you know, dictating the flow

790
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: of the game.

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00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 4: You know who else deserves some roses? Is Terara lost?

792
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: Exactly?

793
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: A lot of people spend a lot of time this

794
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: week reminding everyone how ticked off they were that we

795
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: let Brian Floores get out of the building and you

796
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: should have kept him over Tarrell Austin. And that is

797
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: not a knock on Brian floor as at all. He

798
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: is phenomenal. No, but TA had a game plan and

799
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: boy did they execute it.

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Speaker 4: Matt. I don't know if you saw this stat.

801
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I like it when every once in a

802
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: while I can do this, all right, I'll hit you

803
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 2: with something that I'm I hope you haven't seen yet.

804
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 3: I might just cheat me, like, oh yeah, I saw that.

805
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: You and I were, you know, not far away from

806
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: each other on the plane and you were grinding out

807
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: the numbers and some of the stuff the whole flight

808
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: home across the Atlantic like you always do. The vikings

809
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: went under center nine plays. Yeah, Okay, did you see

810
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: this yet?

811
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: I think so? And I know the play action stuff

812
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: I saw too.

813
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: The Vikings went under center nine plays. The Steelers.

814
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: Had in those nine plays three sacks, one throwaway, three

815
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: incomplete passes, one completion. The Steelers on those nine plays

816
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: under center on all but one, So there was a

817
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: clear cut when they go under when they go under center.

818
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: When they go under center, that's when the Vikings like

819
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: to run a lot of play action when they go

820
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: under center. Yeah, we are going to blow this thing

821
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: up now. As you mentioned the Vikings being down their

822
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: starting left guard and losing their starting right tackle just

823
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 2: a dozen plays into.

824
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: The game, things went their way.

825
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: It certainly aids the Steelers in that regard, but they

826
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: had a game plan every time Minnesota went under center,

827
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: and they blew it up every time Minnesota went under center.

828
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 2: And we talked a lot about how, you know, Aaron

829
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: Rodgers has been playing with some bad hands the first

830
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: three weeks of the season. They forced Carson Wentz in

831
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: that Minnesota offense into some bad hands all afternoon.

832
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you went down that road because I

833
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: saw similar numbers, not exactly what you were talking about,

834
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 3: but an O'Connell staple that was obviously scouted by the

835
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 3: Steeler defensive staff and especially with Wentz because he likes

836
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: to do this stuff too. You could at least have

837
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 3: more tendencies with Wentz, who made some plays but also

838
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: didn't help causes a time too. He hold the ball

839
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: and he likes to take bad sacks. But they want

840
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: I mean some of the O'Connell bread and butter stuff.

841
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: To your point is play action under center, and they're

842
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: good at it, and they run it well. And they

843
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: ran eleven play action dropbacks in this game, which is

844
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 3: a big number. I mean, that's fifth most in the

845
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: league last week. And they pressured them on six out

846
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 3: of the eleven. I mean, they were really key and

847
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,479
Speaker 3: on and sacked them twice on those eleven play action

848
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: and on the other nine he didn't get sacked. He

849
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 3: was four of eight for twenty six twenty six yards,

850
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: and they averaged minus five point three yards per attempt

851
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: on play action. You know, like we've talked about how

852
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 3: play action is the cheat code everyone, and this is

853
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 3: still true on this game for the bikes, but across

854
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 3: the league, when you run play action you almost average

855
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 3: like a yard per play more. You know, in this case,

856
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: they were minus five point three when they did play

857
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: action ran play action, right, I mean they went backwards

858
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 3: when they ran play action by five yards person nap,

859
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 3: which is taking away making it left handed. But we

860
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: just chopped off your right arm, you know what I mean.

861
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: This is what you want to do, especially with a

862
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 3: quarterback that isn't an elite player at this point. Yeah,

863
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: I mean they have quarterback issues.

864
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: You make a guy like that play left handed, Yeah,

865
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: you're gonna get a lot of sacks. You're gonna get

866
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: a lot of TFLs, You're gonna get a lot of turnovers.

867
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: Yep.

868
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 4: They got all those things, and they were much needed.

869
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 3: And I know Wentz put up big numbers, but and

870
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: he did make some plays. He made some throws. The

871
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: Addison eighty one yarder skews things a little, of course,

872
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: and Jefferson was wide open a lot. He's awesome.

873
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: I know he has not had the best start to

874
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: the season, or certainly the one that I think we

875
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: were all hopeful and wanted him to have. But huge

876
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: credit to Peyton Wilson on that play.

877
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: Massive that ends up I think he's coming into his

878
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: own a lot.

879
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: That ends up taking an extra minute off the clock.

880
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: It reminded me of a very similar play he made

881
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: a same type of play, Matt, I'm talking like.

882
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 4: One of those.

883
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: If you put the cutups next to each other, it

884
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: looks like the same play. When he was at NC

885
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: State against Notre Dame. I think it was where NC

886
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 2: State had a busted coverage eighty yards down the sideline.

887
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: This Notre Dame receiver goes streaking and he caught him

888
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: inside the five.

889
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: Okay, and I mean a wide receivers. Wide receivers aren't

890
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: like Washington run down the field exactly right.

891
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: He caught this Notre Dame wide receiver. It was the

892
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: fastest GPS next Gen stats that a linebacker had in

893
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: the entire Division one college football that year his senior year,

894
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: he hit like twenty three miles an hour on right,

895
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 2: are flying right right, right, stop this Notre Dame wide receiver.

896
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 2: NC State ended up holding him to a field goal.

897
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: It was a massive moment in the game. They ended

898
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: up scoring, but on fourth down they had to run

899
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: four more plays another minute off the clock.

900
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 4: That was huge.

901
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: It was huge, Like, yeah, I'm sure people could be like,

902
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: you guys are making a lot out of this. You know,

903
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: they end up scoring a minute later like they did.

904
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: But I think in hindsight. That's probably the difference of

905
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 3: do we kicking on sidekick which never never work out

906
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: in this league anymore, or are we kicking it away?

907
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: If I go one more minute, I'm kicking it away

908
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 3: and I'll take my chances and you better get you

909
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: forced the Steelers to make a couple of first down

910
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: we are to actually execute and then you're so in it.

911
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: I mean when you get to on side kick time,

912
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: it's just that. I mean that's the last string man.

913
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 3: I mean, that doesn't they don't work at all anymore.

914
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 4: No, they don't.

915
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: And they got to do it twice due to a

916
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: time out there, but Roan Wilson with the true hands

917
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: both times.

918
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 4: But yeahick on.

919
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: Wilson because because Mike pointed us out on the earlier

920
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 3: show he did. He's like, we can we can be

921
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: worried about Roman Wilson. I'm sure he's gonna come up

922
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: a lot with this Calvin Austin injury. But the fact

923
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: that he's out there on hands team, they trust him.

924
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 4: There's some certain trust factor that.

925
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's gonna step up like a lot

926
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 3: of these guys have. And I think that's another theme

927
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: we could talk about these next two weeks are boy

928
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: Omar has done a great job building depth, and a

929
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: lot of these dudes, like game Well is the perfect example,

930
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: have really stepped up when asked upon. I don't know

931
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: if Wilson's next or not Roman, but the fact that

932
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 3: he's out there on hands team, they trust him, you know,

933
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: that could call just store that away.

934
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 4: That's a very good call by you.

935
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: Maybe something that will go back to at some point,

936
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: and yeah, that would be a good conversation during the

937
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: bye week. Next week is obviously, we'll have plenty of

938
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: time to kind of hit a reset button, if you will,

939
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: and take a look at some things, you know, from

940
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: a more thirty thousand foot view.

941
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: A bunch of people asked me about should they go

942
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: try trade for wide receiver maybe, and we'll say, you know,

943
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 3: we'll talk about it in the next couple of days

944
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 3: or the next leve That's.

945
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 4: Exactly right, exactly right, and we'll get early next week.

946
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: Well, we should get a more concrete update on Calvin

947
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: Austin as well too, when Mike Tomin meets with the media.

948
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: And hopefully get like the quarterback and Warren back and yeah,

949
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: right right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely massive Alex Highsmith. Not too far time, by

951
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: the way, uh hour in the Boks another hour ago.

952
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Speaker 2: Our buddy Chris Adamski will join us to kick off

953
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 2: Hour number two. We'll get his thoughts on the dub

954
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Speaker 2: in Dublin when we return West Yuler Matt Williams and

955
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