1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: You know, in my business, we lose a lot more 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: than we win. The winds are publicized and exciting, but god, 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: we lose every single day. And most of my job 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: is a woman chasing a man for a yes and 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: most of the time being told no. That's what I 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: do for a living. And there's something deeply personal about that, 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: all right. That still hits different, begging men every day 8 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: for a yes and being told no of the time. 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: It's just it doesn't sit right with me and never will. 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: And my husband's the only person that gets to see 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: that's that's buckle up. This is about to be a 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: very intense but educational episode as always, of naked agent 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: Nicole Land joining us on the other side of the break. 14 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: Every champion and carry Champion is to be a champion 15 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: of Champion and carry Champion and carry CHAPPI on the 16 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: Champion and carry Chappion and carry Champion. Rais raders and 17 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: sports and entertaining can naked in the world with vulnerable considered, 18 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: we come and remove the vail from entertainments elite. It's 19 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: a difference between what it's real and with the public seat. 20 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: So here's your favorite celebrities behind the scenes it's refreshing up. 21 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: Then the whole story specific life, all to rendivents to 22 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: shape the person that you can. We gotta champion. They 23 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: carry champion, the girl you did it. It's the greatest 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: of sports and entertainment. Connaked with every champion and carry champions. 25 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: To be a champion, the champion, they carry champion, and 26 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: they girl Chappy cho the Champion. They carry Champion and 27 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: carry Champion, Raiders, fraiders and sports and then the tam 28 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: making naked. Hey, everybody, welcome to you naked. We got 29 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: a good show today. I'm really a fan of our guest, 30 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: Nicole Land. She is a black female sports agent and 31 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: she is female. I hate that word, but we say it. Uh. 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: She is really making a name for herself. She has 33 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: a powerhouse. But before we get into her story, um, 34 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: how are you doing? I'm checking in. I wanted to 35 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: ask that question, is because I often find that now 36 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: because people are getting back to a new norm traveling. 37 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: I just came back from out of the country. I 38 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: was in Paris, I was in France. I was living 39 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: my best French life. I have a friend j you 40 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: guys know Jamal Hill. She's out of the country. I 41 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: have a lot of friends going in and out of 42 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: the country this summer um. And what's happening is that 43 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: we're getting used to this environment that requires us to 44 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: have a vaccination card or take test or whatever it 45 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: is that you need to do in order to travel 46 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: and move into space. This is our new norm. We 47 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: are still in a pandemic. And I know a lot 48 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: of you don't want to hear that, right, but we are. 49 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: And listen. Some of you are listening, and I'm sure 50 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: you're not vaccinated. I'm sure you guys don't believe in it, 51 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 1: and that's fine. It is a personal choice. But what's 52 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: not a personal choice is putting other people at risk 53 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: if you choose not to be vaccinated. Get tested often 54 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: before you decide to show up at a birthday party 55 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 1: with children or other people, are elderly people, or anybody 56 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: for that matter. Get tested often before you decide to 57 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: walk into your work environment with some fake vaccine cards. 58 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: I have seen these fake vaccination cards and it's annoying, 59 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: it really is. And the reason why I'm bringing that 60 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: up right because it's a propos We've been talking about 61 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: Cam Newton a lot in the news lately and his 62 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: personal choice I believe without him saying it is, he's 63 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: not vaccinated, right, that's his personal choice. I don't have 64 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: a problem with that. I think he's going to have 65 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: a hard time getting a job if that's what he's 66 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: saying loud and proud. That's just the world we live 67 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: in today. People may believe would he believes right, But 68 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: it's hard to be so bold about that when you're 69 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: the face of a franchise. Yes, because I truly believe 70 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: he should have kept his job. But you know, he 71 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: missed the testing cycle, and he he was I think 72 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: a little defensive. He came out this morning as of 73 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: this morning as I'm taping this, and and and explain 74 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: his thoughts on that. And you have to explain your 75 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: thoughts because you want a job. We live in some 76 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: different times and we're gonna have to normalize talking about 77 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: why we don't want to get the vaccine or if 78 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: we have the vaccine, and and what measures were taking 79 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: to protect everybody else because we all in this together. 80 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: With that being said, since I was talking about the NFL, 81 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: it's a propos Nicolin sports agent. I mean, she is 82 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: a powerhouse guys. I did not know her, but I 83 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: knew of her. I watched her move in environments and 84 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: in rooms and make deals, and she became and we'll 85 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 1: get into that on the podcast. The first agent, woman 86 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: sports agent, female sports agent to have a top three 87 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: player in the draft. Congrats, I mean she's opening up doors. Congrats. 88 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: Not only that you black? You know, yeah, I love 89 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: my people, hey girl, um, And she's beautiful and all 90 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: of those things right when you're intelligent, black and beautiful, 91 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: those things are powerful and should be celebrated. But I 92 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: would like to say, at the same time, it's also 93 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: very intimidating. I'd like to normalize, if you don't mind, 94 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: I'd like to normalize black excellence and women and it 95 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: not be called difficult or demanding or tough. Can we 96 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: normalize that? Can we normalize walking into a room asking 97 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: for excellence and wanting excellence of ourselves and our peers 98 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: and it not be considered difficult, demanding, or tough. I mean, 99 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: that's the kiss of death for a lot of us. 100 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: I might be talking about myself now, because seriously, I 101 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: work with so many men, and trust me, what we've 102 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: normalized for these men that I work with is the 103 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:24,799 Speaker 1: fact that they are inappropriate, borderline harassers, sexual harassers, demanding, difficult, tough, 104 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: but it's called ambitious, excellent at their job, good at 105 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: what they do, so interesting. Their traits are celebrated in 106 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: ours are condemned. Nevertheless, people like Nicole Lon a trailblazer 107 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: in every sense of the word, makes it makes it 108 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: worthwhile right her struggle, her success, her presence makes everything worthwhile. 109 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: If you look like me and you think it can 110 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: be done, I mean, I love being inspired by other 111 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: women who who speak my language. Quite frankly, who um 112 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 1: haven't had it easy, because we'll talk about her childhood. 113 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: It has not been easy. But most importantly, Nicole is 114 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: aware of when she needs to be kind to herself 115 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: and take care of herself as well. Because we can 116 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: be out here getting to get the money, get to 117 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: get to get to get to get it. But at 118 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: the same time, well we need to love ourselves. So 119 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: by way of background, and she'll tell us this, she 120 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: grew up in Tulsa, grew up very poor, didn't have much, 121 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: but listen, she got a bachelor's degree in business management 122 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: and a j d with honors. Girl, talk about it. 123 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: She worked on Wall Street as a financial analyst and 124 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: then She ultimately said, guess what, I want to be 125 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: a female agent. I want to be an agent. I 126 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: want to represent top to in the NFL. And she's 127 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: branding outside of just the NFL. She has a couple 128 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: of people that I know that work on camera. I mean, 129 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: she really has made a name for herself. And last 130 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: but not least, why I call her Mrs President is 131 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: because she most recently joined Clutch Sports Group as a 132 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: new president of football Operations. And by way of background, 133 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, Clutches owned by Rich Paul and he's done 134 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: some amazing things and this was smart to bring her in. 135 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: She's smart, She's special. She's special. So when I say 136 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: she's special, I do mean that I want you to 137 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: sit back and listen to her story, and I want 138 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: you to understand that it takes a very brave woman 139 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: to be so very vulnerable but still so very tough 140 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: because to me, vulnerability oftentimes looks like oh uh oh, 141 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: I'm being too honest and sharing. But but in reality, 142 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: like being vulnerable is the best thing that you can 143 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: ever do. It shows strength, confidence, etcetera. Amperstand, ladies and gentlemen, 144 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: She's about to become your favorite super agent. Mrs President Nicolon. 145 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: But I grew up in Tulsa, Oklahoma. And it's funny, 146 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: until this year, a lot of people don't know much 147 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: about Tulsa. But now it's in the media and we 148 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: think about the race massacure, and so people are definitely 149 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: more invested in Tulsa. You know, I grew up in 150 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: an area that was under privilege, that was dangerous, um 151 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: and in a situation without parental guidance or financial resources. 152 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: My parents were never married. My dad's an immigrant, My 153 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: parents were never married. My mom had a bunch of struggles. Um, 154 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: never really knew how to parent, and so I took 155 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: care of my younger brother, who was a few years 156 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: younger than me. Our circumstance was tough. Like we were 157 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: the same clothes to school every day and we had 158 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: to figure out how we were going to eat dinner 159 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: that day. I mean, we were our own little heroes 160 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: at nine years old. Some of the you know I 161 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: talked about in in my book getting robbed a gunpoint 162 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: of eight years old. You know, those are the kind 163 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: of traumatic situations that kids are not supposed to tod 164 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: deal with. Um. So yeah, I mean, and I bounced 165 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: around in middle school and high school too. Friends homes, 166 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, because the heat was off or we didn't 167 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: have water fsh hours, and so a lot of my 168 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: friends they knew my story, so their parents would let 169 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: me stay the weekend here and there. And I just 170 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: knew that I had no plan b and I had 171 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: to get out, and I felt like education was my way. 172 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: And so it's like no one was checking my grades 173 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: growing up. Nobody cared about any of that. But I 174 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: always made straight as I went to a magnet school 175 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: that I applied for myself when I was twelve. Magnet 176 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: High School got accepted. No one knew, took the city 177 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: bus to get there, how to job at fourteen a 178 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: Chick fil A. Worked two jobs in high school. I mean, 179 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: just making sure that we could pay bills. I was 180 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: really the parents and my mom always, and she admits 181 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: to this now, it's like she was the kid and 182 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: I was a parent, and you know, she struggled with 183 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: a lot of depression and anxiety, and it was, yeah, 184 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: it was it was. It was a struggle. And so 185 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: I had to go into Oklahoma University of Oklahoma because 186 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: it was close to home and my brother was still 187 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: at home and I'm mom, basically mom. So I stayed 188 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: in the state and took out I had a full ride, 189 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: but took out student loans to help mom pay rent 190 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: and to help pay bills. And it was that superman 191 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: that followed me forever. So yeah, I mean just just 192 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: there are things that I thought was so normal in 193 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: my upbringing that my husband even now, I'll tell a story, 194 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: Oh when I was told this happen, and he'd say, 195 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: that's not normal, that's not supposed to happen. Really, really, 196 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: I mean that that that was part of you never 197 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: been wrapped at that point, you know, and so it 198 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: was just such a norm. I mean, like I never 199 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: went to therapy for things like this. That was normal 200 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: is that there's nothing wrong with that. And so it's 201 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: as I'm getting older, I'm realizing, like I still have 202 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the trauma. You know. I even told 203 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: my husband's like I call it poor kid mentality. There's 204 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that I do because I was 205 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: a poor kid. So like as an agent, the last 206 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: six years, I've been a sports agent and I've been 207 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: a civil litigator at a law firm. Okay, the law 208 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: firm I did, like securities ProAb litigation, high level complex litigation, 209 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: third largest law firm in the world, and then is sports, 210 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: and those two jobs did not intertwine whatsoever. I was 211 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: literally killing myself working at both jobs ninety hours a 212 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: week as an attorney because I was afraid that I 213 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: would be poor. I literally had back to back top 214 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: ten picks in the NFL, starting quarterback. You know, I 215 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: got twenty players, and I still would not leave my 216 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: job because I was so afraid to be poor. My 217 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: husband's like, we're good, We're good, like this poor kid mentality, 218 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: and I I just left eight weeks ago. Congratulation, thank you, 219 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: so so yeah, it's just like that. There's that trauma 220 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: that you don't know that's fair, You don't know why 221 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: you do things, and then you look back on your 222 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: childhood and go, oh, that's why I got it. Fear 223 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: will either paralyze you or it will propel. You couldn't 224 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: get that out, um propel move forward so much so 225 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: that you were like and in Nicole's case, I'm never 226 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: living that life again. I will never go back to 227 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: what I've experienced. UM As a young child, she experienced 228 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: some really traumatic things. No one should have to deal 229 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: with that. But instead of letting it define who she became. 230 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: She allowed it to be an experience that she'll never 231 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: have again, and to me, that is amazing. So I 232 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: asked her, I'm like, Nicole, Nicole like, where do you 233 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: get this drive from? You know, you you're a kid 234 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: and you have all this responsibility and you're learning to 235 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: do things that I wouldn't even know to do. And 236 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: I've had a pretty traumatic childhood, as we all have, 237 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: right by most accounts, Where do you get this from? 238 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: Where do you get this drive from? And she says 239 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: she doesn't know, but maybe it's fear, and I, you know, 240 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: I just beg to differ. I do believe. I'm a 241 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: big believer that that grit and that grind is just 242 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: in our DNA. It may not have been on display 243 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: with her mother, but it comes from your ancestors, if 244 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: you will, It just does that. That's my take on it. 245 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: So Nicole gets into her inner drive. You know, I 246 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: get asked all the all the time, did you have 247 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: a role model or who did you look up to? 248 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: There's no one, and I you know you you mentioned DNA. 249 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: It feels like it's just this level of grit that 250 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: I had that other people didn't. I don't know where 251 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: it came from. You know, I had my brother, my 252 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: younger brother, who was the total opposite. You know, he 253 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: fell in line with the statistic of what happens when 254 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: you grew up in the hood and your poor kid, right, 255 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: not graduating from from high school and gang and drug, 256 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing. And then there was me, 257 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: this scholar student. I don't know what it is that 258 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: gave me the inner drive. And I also, you know, 259 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: it's funny because I don't know how I learned, and 260 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: I knew so much. I mean, I would be like 261 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: ten years old in understanding the electric bill. I remember 262 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: I met my my best friend in high school and 263 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: I was asking inappropriate questions like how much is our 264 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: electric bill? She's like, why would I know that I 265 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: knew stuff like that. I'm like, you don't know what 266 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: your electric bill costs. You don't know how to pay 267 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: the water bill, the things that I shouldn't have known. 268 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: I mean, even when I married my husband, we got 269 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: married so young. He never had to deal with any 270 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: of that. He had great parents, and so I felt 271 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: like I used to and I don't want to say 272 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: talked down, but I'd like you don't understand how to 273 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: finance a car. This is crazy. But I shouldn't have 274 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: had to do that. Shouldn't have happened known that at 275 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: fourteen or fifteen, you know. And so I don't know 276 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: where it came from. Probably fear, you know, probably just wow. 277 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: Nicole was clearly the adult when she was a child. Uh. 278 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: And she talks about it very candidly and unapologetically. But 279 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: when you have that experience as I have, UM many 280 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: times I have noticed single parents, especially single black women, UM, 281 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: raise their children as if they're your friends. UM. We 282 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: become their emotional counterparts in so many ways, which I 283 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: don't even think that they are aware of. And as 284 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: she's telling this story about her family, her mother, UM, 285 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: and what she's been through and how she essentially raised 286 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: herself and her brother, I asked her, because this is 287 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: this is key, UM, have you forgiven your mother? It's 288 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: gotten a lot better, you know, it is still after 289 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: three decades a I'm still the parent. You know, she's 290 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: still has to reach out to me for money. And 291 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: you know she's gotten more stable, but she didn't make 292 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: any money. You know, it makes she works hard for 293 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: the little money that that she gets and she makes 294 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: it work. But you know, if I needed something, there's 295 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: no fall back there. You know, it took me a 296 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: long time to forgive my my mom because I didn't 297 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: understand why she allowed us in no circumstances, because she's 298 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: an amazing woman, but you know, she had gone through 299 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: some physical abuse and herbal abe abuse, and so she 300 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: was not able to be present all of the time, 301 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: which is why we were raising ourselves. You know, when 302 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: I released my book, she got to read an early 303 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: copy and in the introduction of the book, it talks 304 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: about me getting robbed a gun point at eight, and 305 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: that was the first time she had heard that story 306 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: because she didn't know, and she's like bawling, and she 307 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: wrote this whole thing on Facebook. I'm so sorry, like 308 00:17:55,600 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: all these moments, I was just not present. So it 309 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: was it was tough because I was so cognizant as 310 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: a kid that she was that she had left us. 311 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: That's the way I looked at It's like you left us, 312 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: But it was there was some mental health there, you know, 313 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: like making sure that she she could be better for 314 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: herself and she could be better for us. And so 315 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: we're great now. But it's it's I'm the parents. She's 316 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: a daughter or maybe like a big sister little sister 317 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: relationship that will never change that. It's it's too late 318 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: for that. Two things you said you've forgiven her. Is 319 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: that true? Yeah? I think so. It took a long time. 320 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: It took a long time, but I think so. I 321 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: think I have finally, as I've gotten older, I get it, 322 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: Like I get it. You know. Back then, we didn't 323 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: talk about mental health. We didn't talk about nervous breakdowns. 324 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know what that meant. All I 325 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: know is you didn't. You weren't here. You know, in 326 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: my mind, you got two kids. You gotta step up 327 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: to the plate. That's my thought. Now that I'm older, 328 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: I'm like, I get it, you know, and you're in 329 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: an abusive relationship and you've got to run for your life. 330 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: I get it now, you know. So, Yeah, I I do. 331 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: I forget her when we talk about joy and finding peace. 332 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: I do believe that Nicole's piece really does come from 333 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: what she's doing, the life that she is living, the 334 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 1: young man that she represents. I think becoming an agent 335 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: truly truly defines who she is. At her essence, she 336 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: identified with people who lived life similar to hers, and 337 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,479 Speaker 1: she wanted to make sure that they were taken care of. Right. 338 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: Sounds familiar, right childhood. She takes care of people. Um 339 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 1: And while some of us might be listening to her 340 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: story and thinking, wow, wow, that's intense, it truly truly 341 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: created a diamond of an agent, if you will. She 342 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: has been able to acquire so much success so quickly 343 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: because it is her calling and it is a beautiful thing. 344 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: You know. It's so funny because, um, the year I 345 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: had my top three pick, first black woman top three pick, 346 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: supposed to be the best year of my life. I 347 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: had I just picked. I had a m SP nominated athlete. 348 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: I had someone trying to make a TV show. I mean, 349 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: all these amazing things doing great, making more money than 350 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: I ever made, pay my loans off. And I told 351 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: my use, I was like, God, I'm just so sad, 352 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: like for no reason, like I'm just always so sad, 353 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: and on the outside like this is amazing. It's been 354 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: amazing life. At least on the surface, everything was going 355 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: how I was supposed to, and mentally I was just 356 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: I couldn't understand. I was like, there's nothing for gave 357 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: me joy, Nothing made me happy. I didn't realize that 358 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: it was depression. And it took me like a year 359 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: of feeling that way to realize this is a mental 360 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: health issue. You know, is this something deeper? And you 361 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: know it's weird. Is like when I was when I'm working. 362 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: When I was working, I was, I was fine. It 363 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: was only when I got home and I had to 364 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: sit with myself alone, like and work, I'm an all star. 365 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: You would never know. I think they called smiling depression 366 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: or something. I mean, you would never know. It doesn'tpec 367 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: about work. When at home, it was like, what is 368 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: happening to me? And you know, I was even like 369 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: so fatigued for that year, so fatigued. I went to 370 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: the doctor and they did all this blood work because 371 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: I mean there's just all these issues that I was having, 372 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, something's wrong, you know, check everything. 373 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: And the woman, it was actually Asian woman, she told me, 374 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: I think you need to see a psychiatrist. So I 375 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: think it's I think it's depression. I was so mad 376 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: because at the time, you know, there's all these statistics 377 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: about black women not being taken serious by doctors. And 378 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: I told my husband, I was like, we're going to 379 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: find another doctor. I was like, this woman is not 380 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: taking my I have a medical issue and she's not 381 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: taking it serious. She says it's depression, and to me 382 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: it was a joke. I was like, are you out 383 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 1: of your mind? You're telling me that I can't get 384 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: out of bed because I'm depressed. No, there's something about 385 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: my blood. And I went found another doctor and after 386 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: more and more work, that's what it was, you know. 387 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: And it's craty that, like I literally changed just because 388 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: I could not conceptualize the thought of that mental you know, 389 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: your mind can control so much of your body. And 390 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: so just a weird that's just a weird journey in 391 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: my life. And so my my new goals have just 392 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: been all about finding peace. You know, it doesn't matter 393 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: how much money you make, it doesn't matter how successful 394 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: you are. That does not mean piece is going to follow. 395 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: So for me, it's all been, uh, it's been about 396 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: finding my piece, whatever that looks like. And that is 397 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: not easy. Finding joy, not happiness. Happiness is based on 398 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: what's happening in that moment. But joy is all of 399 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: the time, ever lasting. And I was like, I don't 400 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: have no joy, And then I looked at my mom 401 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: who has doesn't have two pennies rub together, and I 402 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: mean the most joy ever. Like you know, it's just 403 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: I must n be that, you know. Listen, we gotta 404 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: pay some bills, Nicole Lon when we return. Every champion 405 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: and care, every champion has to be a champion, A 406 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: champion and care, every champion and care Chappiana Champion and 407 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: carry Chappion, and carry Cheppi Sporson and the same make 408 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: and naked work her Harry Cheppion. They carry Chappion is 409 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: to be with Champiana Champion. They carry Cheppion, Chappi and 410 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: they carry Chappion, they carry Chappison and the same ac 411 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: and naked Welcome back to you naked with agent Nicole Land, 412 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: Sports agent Nicole Land. But I call her quite simply, 413 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: Mrs President. I hope you guys enjoy when we talk 414 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: about joy and finding peace. I do believe that Nicole's 415 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: peace really does come from what she's doing, the life 416 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: that she is living, the young man that she represents. 417 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: I think becoming an agent truly truly defines um who 418 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: she is. At her essence, she identified with people who 419 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: lived life similar to hers, and she wanted to make 420 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: sure that they were taken care of right, sound familiar, 421 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: right childhood? She takes care of people. Um. And while 422 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: some of us might be listening to her story and thinking, wow, wow, 423 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: that's intense, it truly truly created a diamond of an agent, 424 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: if you will. She has been able to acquire so 425 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: much success so quickly because it is her calling and 426 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: it is a beautiful thing. So I got to college. Um, 427 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: I think around the age of eighteen, a nine team. 428 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: I started to get really close with some of the 429 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: football players that we're at Oklahoma but had grew up 430 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: in my same kind of circumstances. And I would watch 431 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: some of them go to the league and I could 432 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: see how they were handled by their agents or maybe 433 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: they would go broke just a couple of years later, 434 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: and it really didn't make sense to me. I couldn't 435 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: I couldn't fathom, how is this happening? You made millions 436 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: of dollars and now you're back in the hood. You know, 437 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: I didn't grow up some big sports fan. I didn't 438 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: watch football on Sundays. I did much football, probably play 439 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: out to college, and I'm still to this day. I yes, 440 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: I like it. It's fine. But I'm not turning on 441 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: sports for fun. I've decided, you know, I wanted to 442 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: help those people with those circumstances, those stories, and I 443 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: thought originally that, um, I wanted to be financial advisor 444 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: for the athletes. I thought, Okay, that's where you can 445 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: help them maintain their wealth. And that's how I ended 446 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: up on Wall Street. And then when I got there 447 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: and I interviewed sciential advisors that worked with the athletes, 448 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: after I kind of told him what I wanted to do, 449 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: They're like, no, I think something. You want to be 450 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: an agent, not a financial advisor. You know, the agent, 451 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: or at least the way I agent is the clue, 452 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: right the definancial advisors, CP, a publicist, the agents. To me, 453 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: it's the clue. It's the day to day, it's the 454 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: call one the middle of the night. And that's what 455 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: I wanted to be mentor friend, assistant, negotiator. And so 456 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: I left Wall Street. I quit my job fixed for 457 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: your job, after being you know, poorer than you can imagine, 458 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: to chase a crazy dream of being a sports agent. 459 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: And I still remember going into my boss's office in 460 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 1: New York City, literally worked in Times Square, insane quitting 461 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: so I can go pursue a job of sports. And 462 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: it sounds so normal because you see me as this 463 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: semi successful sports agent. But I think back then, this 464 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: is a decade ago. It's hard to fab them, even 465 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: someone that looks like me. I mean, I don't think 466 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: she could probably even con suentualize that idea. And so 467 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: it was kind of like me telling her I wanted 468 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: to lead to be a rapper. You know, It's like 469 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: I'm about to go start my rap career. I mean 470 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,239 Speaker 1: that's how it felt, you know, yeah, And I just 471 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: I mean the other part was I went to Oklahoma, 472 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: went to the state school, you know, I worked at 473 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: Morgan Stanley, one of the number one of the best 474 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: banks in the world. Everybody there was from Harvard or Yale, 475 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: and they were wondering how you get this job, you 476 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 1: know somebody? And I was like, god favorite favorite of God, 477 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: I don't know that. And so it was even crazier 478 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: for me to have the small chance of even having 479 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: that job and to say I'm going to go chase 480 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: the dream. But for me, if you're not walking in 481 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: your purpose, you're working and living to die. And I 482 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: just truly mean, I just feel that to the core, 483 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: like if you are not walking in your purpose, what 484 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: are you doing working? What are you doing to die? 485 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: Like that period, that's all you're doing. And so I left. 486 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: I went to law school and I never looked back. 487 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: And I told everybody in law school I'm going to 488 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: be an agent, and you know, even my professors, I'm like, okay, 489 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: you know, and I think they supported me, but you 490 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: still kind of know in the back of your mind. 491 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: No one really was like, Oh, this is the cool 492 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: She's going to be an agent. In this day and 493 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: age that we live in, it's very important, as Nicole mentioned, 494 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: to really truly understand what your purpose is. And sometimes 495 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: it takes us a It takes us a while to 496 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: realize that it doesn't happen overnight. There are these great 497 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: people and lucky people who find out early on what 498 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: their purposes. It took me a minute. I had a platform, 499 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: I had a job, but it took me a minute 500 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: to really truly understand what my purpose was in terms 501 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: of how I'm supposed to help people. But then once 502 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: I found out out, I think I overcompensated and made 503 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: sure I was doing more. All the time we lived 504 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: in a day and age, where more and more and 505 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: more hustle booked, busy, hustle book busy, and that's not 506 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: beautiful like And it took me until most recently to 507 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: learn that that's not always beautiful, is it? And all 508 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: of her wisdom, she's aware of that. So after I 509 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: finished law school a semester early, I graduated in two 510 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: and a half years. I went to Washington, DC, and 511 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: I worked at the NFL Players Association for about eight 512 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: months while studying for the bar and simultaneously studying for 513 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: the aged exam. And I wanted to just have that 514 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: experience so that I could have some level of sports 515 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: on my resume. And so I did that. I got certified, 516 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: I got bart in Texas and certified in the NFL, 517 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: and then I got a federal clerkship the judge, which 518 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: was the prestigious thing to do at a LASSO. I 519 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: did that for a year well, also on the side 520 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: starting to recruit players. And you know, my first players 521 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: that I signed were undrafted guys. You know, these are 522 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: players that were completely off of the radar that I 523 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: believed in and gave a hundred and fifty percent too, 524 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: and they got a shot, you know, I've built my 525 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: practice off of guys that nobody cared about, you know, 526 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: and that and that's the hard party. Like I felt 527 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: them kind of right. It's like you're the overlooked person. 528 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: But I could see the talent, and they could see me. 529 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: They believed in me. I believed in them, and we 530 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: made it work. And so I started slow, so slow, 531 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: And I remember still lying about my first draft pick 532 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: and sixth round picks so excited. And I got my 533 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: third round pick. I mean, it was just the slow, 534 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: gradual grow. I mean a lot of people see me 535 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: as oh, you had the top three pick. My dear me, 536 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: people I had before that success two years later. Yeah, 537 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: you know how many undrafted players I went through before that. 538 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: It's a hustle, um. And then you know, I got 539 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: the job at a sports agency, and so the dual career, 540 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: it was crazy. And early on it was fine. I 541 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: only had one guy. I could do this easy. Two guys, 542 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: no big deal. Now I have twenty guys. I look 543 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: up when I'm on the verge of a nervous breakdown 544 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: because I'm in the middle of a trial, literally preparing 545 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: for a huge trial while also representing all of these 546 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: players and so you know, the hustle is it was, 547 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: It's tough. And I talked about this in my book 548 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: a little bit, glorifying the hustle. I think I struggled 549 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: with that. You know, there's a part of me that 550 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: found my identity and how busy I always was, and 551 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: that was something I had to learn or or unlearned. 552 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: It's almost like that's who I was. You know, she's 553 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: she's working. Now. You know, I've got to work. And 554 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: so that's something I had to get out of because 555 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: I was glorifying this hustle of nobody works harder than me. 556 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: They didn't. They didn't, that is the truth. But it 557 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: was almost like a stamp of approval and I that 558 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: I had to check and say, this isn't worth it. 559 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: Your health is struggling. There are no awards for the 560 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: most breakdowns. There are no awards for the most panic attacks. 561 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: And with that being said, I do realize that, I mean, 562 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: this is a podcast, but you gotta you gotta take 563 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: a look at her. She's studying. UM. I do realize 564 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: that being a beautiful woman in a man's space can 565 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: be tough. UM. And so sometimes you do have a 566 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: tough exterior. I can relate to having a tough exterior 567 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: because you want to be taken seriously. Uh, And I 568 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: asked her, because you're naturally curious. How has it been here? 569 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: You are You've hustled to get to this point. You're 570 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: now an agent and you're doing deals, and you're making money, 571 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: and you're living and you are miss president. You are 572 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: doing the thing. Um, how do you function in this environment? 573 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: Give us the keys? You know? It is so funny 574 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: because as an agent, I think that I usually get 575 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: the question, or early on I get the question the 576 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: players try to talk to you, is there? You know? 577 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: How do you deal with that? But I'm aged out 578 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: of the locker room, right, I'm somebody mama. So my 579 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: bigger concern now are people that work in the business 580 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: and making sure that my perception with those men, whether 581 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: that's coaches or general managers or scouts, continue to stay 582 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: professional and that the perception is also professional. Because it 583 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: doesn't matter how professional my relationship could be if it 584 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: doesn't look that way on the outside. And so I 585 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: have to be very diligent to protect that. And so 586 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. As an agent, the way 587 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: we are successful is to have these relationships with general managers. 588 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: And the way you do that is you go to 589 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: city and you take these guys out for dinner and 590 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: you take them to a bar and you get to 591 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: know them and you spend money on that. What men 592 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: do that are in the agent business for male gians. 593 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: I can't do that, right. I can't go at nine 594 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: o'clock at nine me and this millionaire GM at a 595 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: bar can't happen. And so I have to find other 596 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: ways to navigate the relationship building. So for me, it's coffee. 597 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: It's always coffee. That's a rural I set for myself 598 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: very early on. Starbucks is my place. I'll text the GM, hey, 599 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: I'll be at Starbucks at the commine. You want to 600 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: meet it too. But it's frustrating, right because I have 601 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: to have this is a hurdle that seems small, but 602 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: it's actually huge because I don't get the ability to 603 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: bond in the natural way that everybody else does because 604 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: I'm so worried about what somebody might think. Even if 605 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: they don't think that, it's perception. So you've got to 606 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: be careful even when I I'm doing deals, whether it's 607 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: a text message or a phone call or email, my language, 608 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: my wording, they're on any emojis, you know. It's like, 609 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: I got to be careful. And everyone that I've worked 610 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: with has been so respectful. But I think I'm always 611 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: on edge, Like, don't I ever think anything. I am 612 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: a hundred percent um you know, professional, and they are too. 613 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: But it's just this weird, you know, fear that I 614 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: think any woman in sports has, Like I don't want 615 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: anybody to think that I didn't work hard or you know, 616 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: or whatever that may be. I have to find a 617 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: different way to navigate. And it's just more difficult. It's inconvenient. 618 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: I could say it's inconvenient. I mean even at the 619 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: NFL combine, there is a specific bar. Everybody in football 620 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: goes to right and you know, and not when I go, 621 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm making sure I'm with my male pure agents. And 622 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: if they say they're going in, I'm going in. Oh 623 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: you're you're going in for that, I'm going with you. 624 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: I'm going home too. I'm not staying by myself. And 625 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: it's just stuff like that. It's like, oh my gosh, 626 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. I'm a wrong woman. But I have 627 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: to think about this stuff in the back of my mind. 628 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: And those are some of the barriers that I'm hoping 629 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: to break down for the women that come behind me, 630 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: because the more women that are in power in the 631 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: GM spot, in the scouting spot, these aren't issues anymore. 632 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 1: I do believe that Nicole's most naked quality. Um, as 633 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: I listened to this podcast and as I interview her, 634 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: and as we take time to decide how we wanted 635 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: to share this with you, the viewer, UM is that 636 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: she has a calming sense and a calming effect on you, right, 637 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: a calming sensibility and a calming effect. It might just 638 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: be calming. And I don't know if she's calm or not, 639 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: but listen, that's what I got what I do with her. 640 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: And when I talked to her, Nicole has a book 641 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: that's out right now. You should go and grab it, um. 642 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: And I asked her about why she decided to write 643 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: the book, right, you know, and listen, her story is powerful. 644 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: So yes, it is a memoir of sorts and she 645 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: has a lot to say. But I also know that 646 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: she wrote it with the purpose in mind. Um. The 647 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: book is called age and you show up, do the 648 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: work and succeed on your terms. Right. But what I 649 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: loved about her and her purpose was that she knows 650 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: that she's in a space where she's one of the 651 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: few and one of the first, but she's holding the 652 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 1: door open. We love when we hold the door open. 653 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: I love when we hold the door open. Um Nicole 654 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: on her book and on the blueprint and on taking 655 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: the job with Clutch Sports, amazing. It's one of the 656 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: best decisions I've made in my career, really really amazing. 657 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: Clutches everything that they say they are. You know, this 658 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: decision team to make the switch took a year of 659 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: research and digging and this was not an overnight decision. 660 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: But Clutch and Rich Paul everything they say they are. 661 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: I could have gone to many different places. I had options, 662 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: and you know, it's there's something amazing about being at 663 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: a black owned business where the owner and powers the 664 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: black people to be at a high level. Two are 665 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: head of football is black, our head of basketball is black, 666 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: our president football office black, our CEO is a woman, 667 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: had a communications black woman. You know, it's it's diversity 668 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: not just in the company, but at the top. And 669 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 1: that was exciting to me. That was exciting to me. 670 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: You know, I've seen diversity at the bottom and you 671 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: show the statistics, but who's running the show and so 672 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: empowering people that look like us? That's the key. None 673 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: better than that. This book is really a blueprint. You know. 674 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,919 Speaker 1: I get asked all the time, how did you do it? 675 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: So it's not a book just a memoir about my story, right. 676 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: There are definitely some stories in there that I use 677 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: um as a prescriptive piece that are unfiltered and raw 678 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: and you know, kind of just naked, as you would say. 679 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: But it's teaching, especially women, how to advocate for themselves, 680 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: how to get a seat at the table, how to 681 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: get their dream job, how to find their life's purpose. 682 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: For me, you know, being a trailblazer, I have always 683 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: been afraid of a trailblazer effect. To me, the trailblazer 684 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: effect is whoever is the first to do it or 685 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: one of the first to do it, they want to 686 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: be the only one there. You know, there's there's there's 687 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: this there's there's this weird feeling for for trailblazers where 688 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 1: it's like they don't want anyone to take their spot. 689 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: And I made it. I made a commitment very early 690 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: on in my career that that would never be Why 691 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: everything about it, because I just I think everybody can win. 692 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: Everybody can win, and even in this book and I 693 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: lay out the blueprint, but it doesn't matter if I 694 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: give you the blueprint or I give you my spaghetti recipe, 695 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: your sauce is gonna taste different, point blank period. The 696 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: secret sauces you. And so I'm not fearful of competition 697 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,479 Speaker 1: because there's room for everyone to win. And you can't 698 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: be me, I can't be you. So this book is 699 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: really about just instilling that inner agent into each individual 700 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: to have that mindset. You know. It's it's more of 701 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: a self help book, like kids, one of those get up, 702 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: do to work, define success on your own terms, and 703 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: make it happen. Make it happen, Make it happen, guys. 704 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: There were some intense moments in that podcast, there were 705 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: also so many enlightening moments. And trust me, when I 706 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 1: interview people, and you interview a lot of people, sometimes 707 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 1: you don't always walk away feeling like wow, wow, Wow, 708 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: I learned something. I am so very grateful that Nicole 709 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: decided to bring her full self and be naked. You 710 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: can't on this podcast say hey, come on and tell 711 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: me your deepest darkest secrets. People don't operate that way. 712 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: Some people will, some people won't. Um. But Nicole was 713 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 1: so very candid and it was beautiful and her voice 714 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: is so soothing. Is it not? Like I said, she's 715 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: she has a calming effect. This is perfect what she's 716 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: doing for a living. She's taking care of people and 717 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: teaching them how to take care of themselves. I love it, 718 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: while all the while she is trying to take care 719 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,919 Speaker 1: of herself as well. That awareness is beautiful. I'm gonna 720 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: go back to what I said at the top of 721 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: the podcast. I want to normalize beautiful brown women in 722 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: spaces and being excellent and not confusing their excellence with 723 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: being demanding or being tough, or being harsh or hard. 724 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: We would never say that about a man, not a 725 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: white man, even in particular. We wouldn't do it. We 726 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: just wouldn't do it. And I think that it's so 727 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 1: imperative women, especially because we do it to other women, 728 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: that we don't label other women as problematic. Look, I'll 729 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: keep you funky. And I say this all the time. 730 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: I've worked with some horrible men and they are so 731 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: successful and they have huge platforms, and no one is 732 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: saying or even if they are saying they're problematic or 733 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: their pain in a butt, they tolerated and they deal 734 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 1: with it and it's considered a part of whom they 735 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: are and why they're so excellent. And I'm speaking from experience. 736 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: I get so sick and tired of people labeling who 737 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: I am when I demand for excellence, when I want excellence, 738 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: I will tell you on everything. I don't walk into 739 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: a newsroom or workspace and demand that my dressing room 740 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: be all white and I want someone to hand feed 741 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: me Eminem's and I want to make sure that I 742 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: have hair and makeup on demand as soon as I 743 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: blink my eyes, and I need someone to fan me 744 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 1: in between commercial breaks. I'm just thinking of the most 745 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: extreme things I even for that matter. I mean, I 746 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: can tell you some stories about some men that I 747 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: have worked with, and their demands are far more ridiculous 748 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: than I have ever seen any woman ask for. But 749 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 1: yet and still they are praised and loved. And this 750 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 1: isn't a man versus woman thing. This is a normalized 751 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: women of color being excellent and demanding excellence. And it 752 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: be okay, that's what this is, because you don't know 753 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,919 Speaker 1: their story you don't know Nicole's story. You do now. 754 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: So if she walks into a room and she has 755 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: this professional air, which she always does, and perhaps it 756 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: may come off as no nonsense or I'm all about business. 757 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: You know why, because she is all about business. But 758 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: if you took the time to understand her conditioning and 759 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,400 Speaker 1: the experiences that she had, you pelled back that layer. 760 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: You'd realize that she really, truly is um a person 761 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 1: who's nurturing, who's caring, who's looking out for other people. 762 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: I hate opinions. It's the lowest form of intelligence. An 763 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: opinion without research is the lowest form of intelligence. What 764 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: you can do is experience people and not evaluate them. 765 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: I say that for every woman in a male space. 766 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: I say that for every woman who has to think 767 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 1: twice before she gets dressed in the morning because she 768 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: does not want to appear too available. She has to 769 00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: work with so many men. I say that for every 770 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 1: one and who understands that she has to leave the 771 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: party early by herself so there are no misunderstandings. I 772 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: say that to every woman who may work in the 773 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: space where they're mostly men and she wants to date. 774 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,320 Speaker 1: You date your colleagues, right, people, date, their colleagues or 775 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,280 Speaker 1: their peers, and then she has to figure out, Okay, 776 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: what can I do this without this without me looking 777 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 1: like something. Men don't even think about these issues. They 778 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: don't even come to mind. Women have so much to 779 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: think about before they even get to work in the morning, 780 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,399 Speaker 1: Like the you men come in and be like, hey, 781 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,439 Speaker 1: we're here, let's do work. And no, it's not fair. 782 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: That's the way society is. I understand it. I chose 783 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: this profession. What I'd like to do with my platform 784 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: is normalize women of color being excellent. And that's all. 785 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,720 Speaker 1: You call it excellence, and that's all it is, period, 786 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 1: point blank, end of story. Excellence going now, I know 787 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: I get on my preaching stuff. This platform will be 788 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 1: for women of excellence who are excellent, who don't want 789 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 1: to be fed eminem's during commercial breaks and at work, 790 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 1: who don't need someone to follow them around and pick 791 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: up their coffee that they left behind. We just want 792 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: to come in and do our job and be just 793 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: as great as our counterparts. She said it at the 794 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: top of this show. It is extremely difficult to be 795 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: told no by men all day and then get back 796 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 1: up and do it all over again, because you know 797 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: you're a woman. What else she's speaking my language? And 798 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: if there are men listening and you have any position 799 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:54,720 Speaker 1: of power, help us out, help us us to out again. 800 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,959 Speaker 1: Before we wrap, I'm checking in the pandemic is still 801 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 1: going on. Vaccination is a personal choice. You can get 802 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: vaccinated or not. I'm saying you should, but if you don't, 803 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:17,320 Speaker 1: then be responsible. Carry Champion, signing off naked. Thank y'all.