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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another edition of the

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Speaker 3: Friday Egg Podcast. I'm your host, Andy Johnson, and today

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Speaker 3: we're joined by sports psychologist doctor Greg Carton.

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Speaker 2: Greg. Thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Andy, thanks for having me. Looking forward to speaking

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Speaker 1: and uh podcast was looking forward to being it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I so Greg. I met out at

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Speaker 3: the Players Championship. Greg works with a handful of guys

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Speaker 3: I'd love to hear how you got into kind of

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Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, no, it started at a relatively young age.

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Speaker 1: I played soccer and lacrosse through college. Also played competitive golf,

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Speaker 1: So I read a lot of stuff about Bob Rotella

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think every golfer who's ever tried

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Speaker 3: because I'm thinking about just all kinds of bad stuff.

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Speaker 2: But I'm kind of I'm curious, like, how do you

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Speaker 3: Do you do you spend a lot of time on

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Speaker 2: Just you know, do you have phone calls?

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Speaker 1: How?

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Speaker 2: How does it work when you're working with players?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I mean the beauty of technology, know is

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Speaker 3: I made a New Year's resolution this year that I

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Speaker 1: to jump. I can't make that decision for you. Do

436
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Speaker 1: you look at scoreboards and does it? Do you find

437
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: some piece or do you find some freedom from that?

438
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Speaker 1: Great if you don't, don't look. But that's everyone's a

439
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: little bit different when it comes to that. But if

440
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Speaker 1: I were to give one sort of piece of advice,

441
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: in my experience, we play our best or we play

442
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: most free when we don't know, and sometimes that can

443
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Speaker 1: be a huge leap for guys who play, especially the

444
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: highest level, who are so geared and you have to prepare,

445
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but you also have to remain flexible.

446
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: And that's something I think that's missing a lot in

447
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: competitive golf, This this flexibility to be able to adjust

448
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: when things are always going to be different.

449
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, it's a it's interesting you say that.

450
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 3: So, like, you know, like last year, some of my

451
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 3: best events, like where I played my best were Mondays

452
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,959
Speaker 3: after like I had a wedding that weekend, so I

453
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 3: like did absolutely nothing and I showed up to the

454
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Speaker 3: course a little bit of hazy still on Monday morning,

455
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 3: and like I went out and shot you know, great

456
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 3: scores and sure enough, like they were some of my

457
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Speaker 3: best events versus the ones where you know, I, I'm

458
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: really played well this week in this in this bigger tournament,

459
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 3: and I was super prepared for it.

460
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Speaker 1: Right that. That's that's another thing that I talk about

461
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Speaker 1: a lot, this idea of novel distinction. Uh. There's a

462
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Speaker 1: great psychologist named Alan Langor who writes about this a lot.

463
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Speaker 1: She talks about the way we can really sort of

464
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Speaker 1: embrace the moment or keep ourselves where we need to be.

465
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Speaker 1: Is adding some novel distinction to what we're doing. So

466
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Speaker 1: the perfect example is if you were to brush your

467
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Speaker 1: teeth with your opposite hand, how focused would you be

468
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Speaker 1: on that moment? Or if you were signing your name, Yeah,

469
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Speaker 1: you'd be right there where you needed to be. So

470
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Speaker 1: golf is the same, can be, can be? Sometimes the

471
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Speaker 1: same is that can you be? So can you add

472
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Speaker 1: some sort of novel distinction? Now, again, you're not going

473
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Speaker 1: to want to show up to every term it, you know,

474
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Speaker 1: or having that plate or not feeling a little but

475
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: every time when we're not feeling a little bit, you know,

476
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Speaker 1: not feeling great, or the weather is a little bit off, right,

477
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Speaker 1: can you use that to really ground you in what

478
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Speaker 1: you're doing? And that's right, guy. I hear that a

479
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: lot guys who play great when they're sick or they

480
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 1: have a little injury, because there's sort of they're focused

481
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: so much on what they're doing in the moment, not

482
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: worried about what's coming next because they have other things

483
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: that they're preoccupying their mind. So adding a little novel

484
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: distinction sometimes can be really helpful and that's and that's

485
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Speaker 1: what that is. That's that's exactly what you're sort of

486
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Speaker 1: speaking to mm hm.

487
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Speaker 3: So you know, just what are some ways you can

488
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Speaker 3: add novel distinction when you don't have it?

489
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's there's things you can do in

490
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Speaker 1: your routine. There's things you can sort of you know,

491
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: ask your you can I have guys sometimes ask themselves

492
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: the question, hey, you know, how am I feeling right now?

493
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: Checking in with yourself right in the moment, can you

494
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: be right there? Or finding something on each hole that

495
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: maybe you've never seen before. Can you pick out something

496
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: on each hole each time you play? That's a little

497
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Speaker 1: bit different. I mean, there's a there's a there's a

498
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: bunch of different ways, right. It's kind of hard to

499
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Speaker 1: sort of develop enough that daily. But it's more the idea.

500
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: And so people, you know, we talk about pre shot

501
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: routines all the time, right, So you get into these

502
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: routines that we do over and over and over and

503
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: over again, and they're good for a lot of reasons,

504
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: but something they're lacking is this idea. Againting sometimes can

505
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: rob us of the freedom that we need in that

506
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: moment because we can sometimes a pre shot routine can

507
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: have us so much on autopilot that we miss a

508
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: lot of the information that we need in that moment.

509
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Speaker 3: Mm hmm, it's uh, I guess that's it. Yeah, it's

510
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 3: something I had never even thought of. Yeah, I mean

511
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: the pre shot routine discuss hammered down your throat all

512
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Speaker 3: the time, and I think there's so much good to it.

513
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 3: But like there is some thing about being kind of

514
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: thinking about you know, where you are.

515
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: That's right, And you know, My thinking is that the

516
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: more where we are of what we're experiencing in the moment,

517
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: the better chance we have to sort of remove ourselves

518
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: from not thinking. And if we're on autopilots so much,

519
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: we miss that so again. So people find that to

520
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: be troublesome. But I asked them the question, have you

521
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: ever experienced that? How's it going? Have you ever showed

522
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 1: up to a tournament without playing a practice run? How

523
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: have you done? How's it felt? In a lot of

524
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: times they'll say, well, it actually felt pretty good to

525
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: just sort of be only concerned with what I was

526
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: doing in that moment, not worried about the t shot

527
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,239
Speaker 1: in seventeen or the green on fourteen that had all

528
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: the undulation just being right there.

529
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's interesting and it's super interesting. I think

530
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: a lot of times playing like an event at your

531
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 3: home course is a lot tougher than playing an event

532
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: at a course that you know nothing about.

533
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Speaker 1: That's a great example. And I you know, you've played

534
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: enough the events and you know, played in tons of

535
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: stuff where guys sometimes struggle right at their home course

536
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: because things aren't they thought they were going to be

537
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: and they can't adjust.

538
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: Interesting, So, like, you know, like I think that's a

539
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: good example for you know, a lot of the listeners

540
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: where they played their club championship, you know, a year

541
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: and year out.

542
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: What are some strategies for you.

543
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: Know, playing your home course in an event that you've

544
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: got like a little bit more pressure and succeeding and

545
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: playing like you would on a normal Saturday.

546
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think a lot of that pressure comes

547
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: from right like, oh, I've played this course one hundred times,

548
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: it's so easy. But understanding embracing this idea that every

549
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: time you tee it up, regardless of where it is

550
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: or how you feel, it's a brand new experience. So

551
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: being in that brand new moment allows us to operate

552
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: much more freely, and just the understanding alone that hey,

553
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: it's just because it's on my home course, it's not

554
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: going to be any easier sometimes is enough. Because we

555
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: go into these tournaments, a lot of people just don't

556
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: think about it that way. Just think, oh, it's going

557
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: to be j oh, I have the state and qualify

558
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: at my home course this year. Finally it's going to

559
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: be easy, and then things don't go as planned, or hey,

560
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: I usually birdy these first three holes and now I'm

561
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: too over, Like what's going on? I can't adjust. So

562
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: knowing that you need to be flexible, even more so

563
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: when we're used to doing something over and over again,

564
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: like playing our home course, can be very valuable.

565
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Speaker 3: So I think there's two kind of areas where most

566
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: golfers struggle. Is either A starting rounds or B finishing rounds.

567
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm curious kind.

568
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: Of what your your thoughts are and kind of tips

569
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Speaker 3: you have for you know, the guy that A gets

570
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: off to a slow start generally, or the player B

571
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: who has really you know, who is two under par

572
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, but really has trouble bringing into

573
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: the house without making a couple of few mistakes that

574
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: they wouldn't normally.

575
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: Make Yeah, I think, I think for sure. The second

576
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: the player be the guy who has trouble getting it

577
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: in the house who's playing well, is at least from

578
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: what I see, is much more popular sort of frame

579
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: of mind, because there's so many things that lead to

580
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: that that idea that, hey, how's it good? I got well,

581
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm about to shoot the course record. How am we

582
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: going to feel after if I don't? Right, Like, this

583
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: is not like go out any day and shoot eighty,

584
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: But now I've put myself in a position to shoot

585
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: a really good score, and if I don't, it's going

586
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: to be one hundred times worse. So now this fear

587
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: starts to develop this idea, and now all of a sudden,

588
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: we've lived out this entire scenario that hasn't even happened yet,

589
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: simply because we started sort of paying attention to our

590
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: thoughts and we were unable to remove ourselves from our thinking.

591
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: So they get back to this idea, can you get

592
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: back to this point where you catch yourself almost or

593
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: you can create enough space between having these thoughts and

594
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: then acting in a way that's more skillful, Meaning I

595
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: can use this as a signal to return to what

596
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm doing, and all that. All the reasons why people

597
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: struggle coming down the stretch is it's for fear, right,

598
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: there's no other reason. They're just afraid that, or they're

599
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: in a place where they've never been. It's a little

600
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: bit uncomfortable. It's a little bit uncomfortable to be a

601
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: few under power with a few holes left knowing you're

602
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: about to shoot your best score forever because you've never

603
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: been there. So that discomfort causes us to seek comfort.

604
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: And in a situation like that, that doesn't exist. So

605
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: our attempts to seek comfort take our focus away from

606
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: what we're doing. So that that, to me is why

607
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, and again you said that happens a lot,

608
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: and anyone who's played the game, is that an experience

609
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: like that. As far as starting poorly, you know, most

610
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: of that I think from same idea, the nerves of oh,

611
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, what if I shoot a huge number today?

612
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: Or you know, again, we start creating these scenarios they

613
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: haven't even happened yet, and we start believing them, and

614
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: then we start reacting to that, and then on the

615
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: first t you're so tense you can't even pull it

616
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: back and it could take a little wile, and then

617
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: you get to a point where this always happens, where

618
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: you're a few over after a few holes, and then

619
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: you have to statitude like, oh, I don't care anymore, right,

620
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: and then things start to get a little bit easier,

621
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Speaker 1: and then it just can happen within around and then

622
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: you can get to a point where, oh my god,

623
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm all the way back to even par I better

624
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: not screw this one up, and then you're back to

625
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: that second scenario. Right. So it's constantly going on, regardless

626
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: of where we stand. You could always think of something

627
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: crazy that could happen, and we usually do as golfers,

628
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: and then we start to believe it, and then we

629
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: start to respond to it, and then we get tense

630
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: and then you can't play. And that's how that's sort

631
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: of the progressions that we all fall on to.

632
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: Almost like golf, it's just the tension. It's getting rid

633
00:33:59,320 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: of tension.

634
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: It's all it is. Right, So it's helped guys try

635
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: to create some freedom, and that's all it comes down to. Yeah,

636
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: I can't help guys play better, but understanding how you

637
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: can be a little bit more free on the golf

638
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: courses really all you're trying to accomplish.

639
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: It's interesting, it's and I think that obviously is the

640
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: toughest thing is out. I mean, no matter what, you

641
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 3: get these thoughts in your head, and it's just removing

642
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 3: the tension and saying it doesn't really matter if you

643
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 3: hit it here or hit it there, because it doesn't

644
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 3: you know, in the end.

645
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: It really does. It may matter in the moment, and

646
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: that's fine too, But like you said, you're going to

647
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: have all those thoughts no matter what. Nobody's above having

648
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: those thoughts. I've never talked to a guy who's wanted

649
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: tournament who said they weren't thinking crazy things coming down

650
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: the stretch. I've never heard it. I've never heard say

651
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 1: something someone says, oh my god, my mind was completely clear.

652
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: It was so easy. It was like, I don't even

653
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: know what happened, doesn't happen?

654
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 2: What A what a your thoughts on?

655
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: You know?

656
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: I heard earlier this year, you know, like just the

657
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: idea of matching kind of your personality and general demeanor

658
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 3: to your golf game and and general demeanor on the

659
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 3: golf course.

660
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: Do you think that's important.

661
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: For only one reason in that when we're happy in

662
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: our own skin and understand that what we have is enough.

663
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: We're not trying to beat somebody else. That's when we

664
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: can be our most free. Right. So to tell a

665
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: guy who's sort of a fiery guy, just hey, you

666
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: got to really be calm on the golf course doesn't work.

667
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: How does it feel when someone tells you to calm

668
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: down when you're fired up?

669
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

670
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: Doesn't It feels worse? Calm down? What's he talking about?

671
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 1: So trying to get someone to be somebody different is

672
00:35:55,040 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: one challenging and two not necessary. Because again, any time

673
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: we have this idea that something would be better, or

674
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: we don't have what we want in that moment, that's

675
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: when we start to feel that tension again. So yeah,

676
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: I completely agree with that idea of hey, you know

677
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: that's simple, right, be yourself regardless of what that is.

678
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: I mean again, golf has rules. You can't be a

679
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: total you're kind of golf course, but to an extent,

680
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, you just got to be real. John Rahm's

681
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: a great example, right, He guys doesn't hold back m

682
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: he's so he is, and I think there's plenty of

683
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: guys would want to have his success, you know. But

684
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: he tried to bottle that up, his head's gonna explode.

685
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.

686
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: It's interesting, you know, like you know, versus holding it

687
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: up or getting it out, because like you know, people

688
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: are get so you know, turned off by people that

689
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: you know let out their anger.

690
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: But like in the same.

691
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: Time, like you you know, you you have to get

692
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 3: it out or else it's just gonna steam and it's going.

693
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: To carry over into the next shot and the next hole.

694
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: There's an old saying what we resist or sists and

695
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: for anger and frustration you can it couldn't be more true.

696
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: M h right, So but again there I think also though,

697
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: the anger doesn't serve us very well in the long term,

698
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: so sometimes we have to learn that lesson the hard way.

699
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: So sometimes God will get the point where I just can't.

700
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to be angry anymore because the game

701
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: I don't feel good. So you can learn that on

702
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: your own, but having someone tell you to not be

703
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: angry never works.

704
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 3: So so what would you say to a player that

705
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: you know like and not you know, like that run

706
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 3: similar to John Ron where he gets hot, Like what

707
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: would you be your strategies and like, you know, the

708
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 3: ways to get your anger out with that. Aren't like

709
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: publicly you know, you know, you know, you give you

710
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 3: a bad perception.

711
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think right, and I think as golfers,

712
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: especially at that highest level, we we do know that, right,

713
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: Like he knows deep down that this behavior one is

714
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: probably serving him very well and two at some point

715
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: could get him in trouble, right, whether it's financially or

716
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: something right, So, I mean, you just can't do that.

717
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: So letting guys know that there are other ways to

718
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: respond is number one. There are other ways to respond

719
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: to situations other than get angry or upset and explain

720
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: to them what those reactions mean. And again it's a process,

721
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: but again sometimes guys just take some time. They need

722
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: to learn that on their own. But to let them

723
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: know that there are other ways to respond that will

724
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: provide you an opportunity to sort of operate from a

725
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: much you know, more free feeling because anger sort of

726
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: binds us up also a little bit, and especially at

727
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: the highest level, they're concerned with playing good golf. Well

728
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: there's other there's you could play better responding in different ways,

729
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: but it's not something you just snap your finger and

730
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: like I said, tell a guy to stop being it

731
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: doesn't work that way.

732
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a process like anything. They changing

733
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: the way.

734
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's not that it's not just it's

735
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: not changing the way you think as much as changing

736
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: the way you think about how you think, if that

737
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: makes sense. It's relating to your thoughts in a different

738
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: way because we can't really change how we think, but

739
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: we can change our understanding of what our thoughts mean.

740
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: And that's really that's what that's where the sort of

741
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: shift comes from.

742
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: So, you know, I think like where the biggest fear,

743
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: you know, we've talked a lot about like the fear

744
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: of failing, and you know, the fear of missing. And

745
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: you know where I think it comes out the most

746
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: is on the putting green, you know. And and these

747
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: truly great putters they seem to pour everything in. And

748
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 3: people that are you know, good putters or average putters

749
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: or below average putters. I always wonder like, how does

750
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 3: this guy make so many putts? And what is he

751
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: thinking when he's putting? Do you do you have something

752
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 3: that you like to you know, kind of preach of

753
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: like getting you know, thoughts out of your head and

754
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: just thinking about you know, making the putt while you putt,

755
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: or like, how what's your kind of philosophy on putting?

756
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I definitely steer away from the idea that

757
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: you need to change what you think because again that

758
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: that'll we'll get back to that idea of sort of

759
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: creating tension, but changing your understanding about what those thoughts mean.

760
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: It can be a game changer for a lot of

761
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: guys to know that you can stand over a pot

762
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: and not feel one hundred percent about making it and

763
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: still make it, because that happens all the time. And

764
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: the problem with putting is it's black or white. It

765
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: either goes in or it doesn't, and there's an immediate

766
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: sort of judgment. If you're on the tee and you

767
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: hit one in the rough, you can still make an

768
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: eagle or burden, but on the green you get the

769
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: immediate result right away. So there's such an emphasis on

770
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 1: making or missing it's very difficult to remove that right

771
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: no matter who you are, you just can't. You can't

772
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: get away from it. So it either goes in or

773
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't. So I think expectation on the green is

774
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: really you know, the first place to start with that

775
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: if you look at the top tour pros and how

776
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: many putts they make inside ten feet. I think a

777
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: lot of people are surprised how many they actually missed.

778
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: So expectation is the first piece. But the greatest example

779
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: there is you know, if someone has the Y so

780
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: they struggle with the short ones, right, those guys don't

781
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: struggle with thirty footers or forty footers. Their strokes pretty smooth.

782
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: It's only because this idea that WHOA, if I miss

783
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: the short putt, how am I going to look? Or

784
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: how is it going to feel? So it's starting to

785
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: get to that like how does this make me feel

786
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: when I miss it? And then starting to work back

787
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: course from that you can start once you start unraveling

788
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: that fear. Now it's a little bit easier to make

789
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: that stroke. Now again, it doesn't guarantee you're gonna make

790
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: a putt, but all you can do is make a

791
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: good stroke. It's all you can do.

792
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's true. So it's just it's trying to

793
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: get away from the it's just understanding you're gonna miss

794
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 3: putts and you know it happens, but like the I mean,

795
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: and that's like part of like you know, they always

796
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: say that Tommy Roy and like I forgot the other

797
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: producer for CBS is like the most powerful man in

798
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 3: golf because they determine what the public perception is.

799
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great that's a great point. I say

800
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: these guys all the time. When you're watching golf on TV,

801
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: what do you see?

802
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: You see the leaders, you see people making poses great? Yeah,

803
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: and you see him making I have a joke with

804
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 2: my dad.

805
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: My dad, he's a big golf fan, and we always

806
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: talk on He'll talk on Monday and he always says, man,

807
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: that guy who won, he played great. Yeah, no ship

808
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: he won. So but that's all we see. So people,

809
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: the average fan doesn't know, doesn't walk practice rounds with

810
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: these guys, doesn't see the guys that are struggling to

811
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: make the cup, doesn't see the guys missing three or

812
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: four floors. So we just assumed that, hey, this is

813
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: what golf is. It's making everybody's hitting every fairway, and

814
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: it's winning tournaments.

815
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: I mean, that's why I always tell people, like the

816
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: best way to watch a golf tournament is to find

817
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 3: like a group of good players, But don't go watch

818
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: the stars. Find like the guys that are you know

819
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 3: you're you're good, you know, maybe above average, middle of

820
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 3: the road player on the PGA tour and walk with

821
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: them for eighteen holes, because then you see the ebbs and.

822
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: Flows of the round, you know, where you.

823
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 3: Know, I'm curious what you think about this, but like

824
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: I think that there's always no matter what like three

825
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: or a four hole stretch where you lose.

826
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: You know, it's very rare for.

827
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 3: You to hit the ball great for eighteen straight holes,

828
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 3: and so much of is dictated on like when you

829
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 3: hit that patch where you struggle, is how you get

830
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 3: out of that patch.

831
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: You couldn't be more right about that, And that's the

832
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: best you're that's the best way to watch see when

833
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: a guy faces some adversity or when he's a little uncomfortable,

834
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: what he does right, Because these guys make their money

835
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: not when they're playing great, but when they're playing poorly,

836
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: and how they adjust in those situations because the game,

837
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: like you said, it's too hard to play great breaking

838
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: holes or for a freaks in a row, it's just

839
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: too hard. So you really earn your money right when

840
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: things aren't going so well, because you sort of find

841
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: ways to put up a decent number when you're not

842
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: playing well because it's too hard to play well all

843
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: the time. So yeah, and I agree with that. Watching

844
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: the group, if you have that opportunity, can be really

845
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: beneficial regardless of who it is, because you really see

846
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: everything as far as you're going to struggle at some

847
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: point during them out or some holes and everything's just

848
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: gonna look easier. Putts are going to drop or sometimes

849
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: they're going to miss a few putts and what are

850
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: they going to do next, And that can be a

851
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: really interesting perspective.

852
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 3: M Yeah, I think that's it's like, you know, people

853
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: get caught up and standing, you know, and it does

854
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 3: require a lot more work.

855
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you're gonna walk eighteen holes, you're gonna.

856
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: Sure, you know, no, for sure, not everyone has that opportunity.

857
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you you lose you know, you.

858
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: When you're just sitting on a hole or you're trying

859
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: to watch the you know, the star players that that

860
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 3: featured pairing, Like, you lose so much perspective because you're

861
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: fighting the crowds and you're not going.

862
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: To see every shot.

863
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: You know.

864
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: It's it's it's a you know, I think it's a

865
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: really unique because all these guys are so good and

866
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 3: they all have all the skills and the margins are

867
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: so razor thin that you know, it's interesting at the

868
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: players where you know, I watched Blaine Barber play a

869
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: lot of golf and Blaine finished like, you know, like

870
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: I think you finished top twenty that event. And in

871
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: the first two rounds he had he had like two

872
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: moments where he made like, you know, a double or

873
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: a triple and and it wasn't like he hit a

874
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: bad shot. But then you know, I watched Sea Woo

875
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 3: Kim his pretty much his entire back nine of his

876
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: of the final round, and you see him in similar situations,

877
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 3: and that's where he won because he got up and

878
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 3: down and was stress free, you know, putting it, you know,

879
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 3: like he was hitting tips to two feet, where Blaine

880
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: Barber you know, makes a double and and that, yeah,

881
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 3: that those micro moments was the difference between Blaine Barber

882
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 3: winning and finishing you know, t twentieth and see Wu

883
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 3: winning and finishing you know tenth.

884
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: You couldn't be more right that the the difference is

885
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: so small. And again that's what it comes down. It's

886
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: it's you know, when you have face some adversity what

887
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: are you going to do with it? Because you're going

888
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 1: to and if you run from it and you try

889
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: to seek comfort in those situations, you're going to struggle.

890
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 3: So so with it, you know, is it just you know,

891
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: is it really commitment?

892
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it saying I'm just going to hit

893
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: this shot?

894
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: The idea of committing seach. Are you hear that a lot? Right?

895
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: Like this idea like you've got to commit one hundred

896
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: percent each shot? Well, what does that mean? You know?

897
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: That's why I ask guys don't know? What does it

898
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: mean to you to commit? Because a lot of guys

899
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: don't know what it means to be committed. Does that

900
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: mean I tell myself I'm committed. Does that mean I'm

901
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: not thinking about anything else? Does that mean?

902
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: You know?

903
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot and everyone's got a little sort of

904
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: different idea. But once you come up with your own

905
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: definition of commitment, now you've reached sort of this new

906
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: level of commitment because I think it means something different

907
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: to everyone. So so defining that first is really important,

908
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: and I think you know, you'd be surprised. I'm surprised

909
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: always when I ask guys what that means? That a

910
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know. Yeah, I don't know, Like

911
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: I just want to hit a good shot. Well, of course,

912
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: you want to hit a good shot every hole or

913
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: every shot. So defining that for people is really important.

914
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: That's the first step, and that that's a tool that

915
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: people you know who are listening can take with them.

916
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: Take a minute and define what commitment means to you

917
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: and write it down and bring it with you, and

918
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: I think you'd be surprised how different it is than

919
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: what you think it is. So but then you have

920
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: the example of guys who you know you can still

921
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 1: hit good shots and not be committed. I mean it's ideal, right,

922
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: but there's going to be shots where you're standing over

923
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: to me, you're just not going to feel good. So

924
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: understanding that you can still hit good shots in those

925
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: moments can also be really powerful, because if we're trying

926
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: to get committed in a situation where we're just not,

927
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen. Then that tension comes right

928
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: that we talked about. So for me, I guess the idea.

929
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm sort of obsessed with this idea of creating freedom,

930
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: and I believe it comes from this happiness with where

931
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: we are in the moment this content and it's not

932
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: being a lazy sort of just settling. It's a it's

933
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: a complete excesence of what we have in that moment

934
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 1: and knowing that that's enough and that's going to give

935
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: me the best shot chance to be committed to hitting

936
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: a shot.

937
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: It's that you being content.

938
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: How how much do you think playing partners and like

939
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 3: and uh caddies player like, you know, like especially at

940
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: a at a higher level on tour, Like, is that

941
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: because of that comfort you just talked about?

942
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: Is it? You know?

943
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: Is there some Is there a lot of effect that

944
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 3: having a good pairing and you know, obviously you have

945
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 3: to have a good caddy relationship.

946
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I think, And I've been fortunate enough

947
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 1: to get to know a lot of the caddies quite

948
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: well and such good guys, and people forget that. You know,

949
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: if you know your guy doesn't make the cut makes

950
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: the money, you're not going to be making as much

951
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: money either. So there's this added sort of built in

952
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: pressure sometimes on players. Hey, I want to pay well

953
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: because I want my guy to feel good about me,

954
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: like we're gonna make some money too, Like, I mean,

955
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: you know it sounds silly, but there's there's added sort

956
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: of layer to that relationship. So the best caddies are

957
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: the guys that sort of instill this sort of comfort

958
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: really right, regardless of the situation, everything's you know, this

959
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: is gonna be good. And those those are the best,

960
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 1: the guys that have that figure. And again, the guys

961
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: that get to know their players well, know what you

962
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: know makes some tick almost You know when to say

963
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: something and when not to because everyone's different as far

964
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: as players are concerned in terms of what they need.

965
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: Some guys need a little extra handholding. Some don't want

966
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: to hear work when they're playing. So those relationships can

967
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: be huge. And again, like I said, I've been fortunate

968
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: enough to sort of see some of those relationships develop

969
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: and how powerful they can be.

970
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's you see it. You have guys.

971
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: You see it in in am golf, even like where

972
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 3: you have buddies caddy. I like, my favorite caddy for

973
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: myself is like I have a cousin who's a high

974
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 3: school based ball coach and he used to be a

975
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: really he was a minor league pitcher and he just

976
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 3: understands like what to say and like he's good at

977
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 3: motivating and you know, especially like when I you know,

978
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 3: I have a tendency to get down on my luck

979
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 3: and down in the dumps, and and you know, he

980
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 3: has a good.

981
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 2: Way of like getting me out of being a.

982
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 3: Moper, you know, right, right, But I think you know,

983
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 3: he has that built in, like that's what he does,

984
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 3: you know, nine months of the year with high school kids.

985
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 2: You know, right, So I think.

986
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 3: That helps a ton, And it's not necessarily you know,

987
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 3: the best caddy isn't necessarily the best player, you know,

988
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 3: or the guy that you play the most golf with,

989
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 3: because he's probably the guy that knows how to how

990
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 3: to raz you and get under your skin a little bit.

991
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that's right, That's that's exactly right. So but

992
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 1: so you know, right, you know how important those relationships

993
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: can be.

994
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. It's interesting.

995
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 3: So we do, like this a little overrated underrated segment

996
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: and I want to get into that here. And the

997
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 3: first one I'm I'm curious about. And you know, usually

998
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: these are like you know, answers that are like you know, overrated, underrated,

999
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 3: but you know, feel free to expound because I think

1000
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 3: that it beneficial, you know, preparing differently for different.

1001
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: Events like, you know, this is a big event, so

1002
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to prepare differently.

1003
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 3: What's what are your thoughts on preparing for like major

1004
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 3: championships overrated?

1005
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: Because it is great it would be to win those events.

1006
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: Everyone that tees it up in a normal event wants

1007
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 1: to win, just as dead, So why would you prepare

1008
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:12,479
Speaker 1: any different for you know, I think preparing for what

1009
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: the event you know, may feel like is a little

1010
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: bit different, like it's a different animal. As a majors,

1011
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: it's there, there's a lot more going on and preparing

1012
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: yourself for that maybe you know a little bit different.

1013
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: But as far as your attempt to play your best

1014
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: and put yourself in the best position, you're trying to

1015
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: do that every time.

1016
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: M Yeah, I think that I do.

1017
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I try and prepare more for different events.

1018
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: But you know, it's it's probably not smart to do.

1019
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, well it's.

1020
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: But sometimes for folks like us, we just you know,

1021
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: we only have a few big events and that's it,

1022
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: and or we have time constraints as far as what

1023
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,959
Speaker 1: we can do. But you want to do like it's

1024
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: just saying, guys all the time, the objective of golf

1025
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: is the same regardless of if you're playing in a

1026
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: mixed nine hole member guest or if you're playing in

1027
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: the US Open. It's always to make the lowest score

1028
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: possible in every hole. It doesn't change, So why would

1029
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: you change your preparation Try to achieve that goal regardless

1030
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: of the outside.

1031
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 3: Right.

1032
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: The labels that we attached to tournaments are what they

1033
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: mean when the objective is always the same.

1034
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it makes sense.

1035
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: It's it's just making it simpler really.

1036
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: In a way. Yeah, I mean it's because it is simple.

1037
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: We complicate things by attaching all these labels to it.

1038
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: But the objective is always the same. And I sometimes

1039
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: a lot of my work with people is just reminding

1040
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: them of that in so many, you know, in different ways,

1041
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: but that idea that it's always the same. Yeah, you know,

1042
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: there's very few moments in your career where making a

1043
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: boge is going to be okay, right, I mean you

1044
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: could probably count them on one hand, where like you

1045
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: have a ten shot lead or something and making a

1046
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: bogue you would be okay. It's usually ninety nine percent

1047
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: of time it's putting yourself in a position to make

1048
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: the lowest possible score. And it doesn't change from that ever.

1049
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 2: So swing thoughts overrated, underrated.

1050
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can give you an answer,

1051
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: because again this comes back to this idea that you

1052
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: can tell yourself not to have swing thoughts and you

1053
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: still might have them, or you may tell yourself to

1054
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: have swing thoughts and forget them. You can still play

1055
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: at a high level regardless of what it is you're thinking.

1056
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: So I guess in that respect I would say overrated.

1057
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean, either have them or you don't. It's not

1058
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: a whole lot you can do about it. You can

1059
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: write something down and read it before every shot. If

1060
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: that helps you find some comfort, great, But you can

1061
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: also hit the ball just as well with us. But

1062
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: I think people fall into this trap a lot of

1063
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: times and say, oh, man, I've heard I'm only supposed

1064
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: to have two or three swing thoughts. Well, try and

1065
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: limit yourself to have two or three thoughts before each

1066
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: shot and see how that goes. Our minds are constantly run,

1067
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: constantly working, so there's some tension right there limiting yourself

1068
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: to thoughts. Does that make sense?

1069
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1070
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it does. I think well,

1071
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 3: it probably has to do a lot with your personality too.

1072
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1073
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, some guys, you know, find out I like this

1074
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: to use the term, and I work with a lot

1075
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: of coaches and we try to develop swing feels instead

1076
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: of thoughts. So like coach will be work with a

1077
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: player and they're working on a certain sort of move

1078
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,959
Speaker 1: or position and it will say, okay, put a word

1079
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: to that. Whatever. It could be. Anything, be pizza, it

1080
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: could be screwdriver, could be anything. And that's your that's

1081
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: your feel, that's your swing feel, right, So when you

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Speaker 1: say that to yourself that you know, you know what

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00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: that feels like, and that's what and that's where you're

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00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,479
Speaker 1: trying to get. That's what. That can be a little

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00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: bit more tangible and a little bit more easy to

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Speaker 1: sort of work with. Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: I think that's uh, it's that it makes a lot

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Speaker 3: of sense. It's uh So next one is equipment.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, like equipment, like the idea equipment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so let's yeah, equipment, we're going We're

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Speaker 3: going very broad here.

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00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: I may be a little hypocritical because in addition to

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Speaker 1: what I do and helping folks try to simplifize things,

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00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm a huge equipment sort of geek. And I'm a

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00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: big fan of golf w r X, and I'm on

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00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: there all the time. I buy buy stuff on eBay

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00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: all the time, and I'm always own stuff, and so

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00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: I try to separate it too. I know I would

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Speaker 1: probably be a better golfer if I didn't change my

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00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: putter every two weeks, but I enjoy that piece of

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Speaker 1: the game. Like to me that that's part of the

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00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: enjoyment I get from golf is the equipment, and I

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00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: love reading about it and I love learning about it

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00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: when it comes to working with my players. I think

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00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: it's when it comes to the putter at least, that

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00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: sometimes a brand new look can can shake things up

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00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: a little bit. But in the end, I think getting

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00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: too far away from what got you to a certain point,

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00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: trying to find the quick fix with equipment can be

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00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: you start yourself down a little slippery slope there. I

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Speaker 1: think the putter more than anything. I think irons and drivers,

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00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: they're all so good now, and we're talking about guy

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00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: at the highest level. They equipment companies can basically make

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00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: them anything they want. Yeah, So I don't necessarily think

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Speaker 1: that that's that's an issue as much, but I do

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00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: believe that there's something for the putter, and I think

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00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: that's that's more of a personal sort of connection.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of meant the putter. I should have

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Speaker 3: have narrowed that down. That's what I was thinking of. Curious,

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Speaker 3: he said something that made me think of a question

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00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 3: I would curious your perspective of is, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: these guys that get to tour and then you know,

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00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of cases of like they

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00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 3: get to tour based off their game, and then they

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00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 3: try and add a wrinkle to their game that they

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00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 3: feel they're looking in, like whether it be distance or

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Speaker 3: the ability to hit the ball certain a certain you know,

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Speaker 3: certain shape.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that?

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00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: My thoughts are pretty clear cut on that. And there's

1132
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: an example and that every time you hear a guy

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00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: who sort of maybe disappeared for a couple of years

1134
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: and gets back to where they were or it starts

1135
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: finding success again, they usually say the same thing. I

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Speaker 1: just try to simplify things, or I try to get

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Speaker 1: back to what I used to do. Right. Does that

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01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: resonate a little bit like he heard out stories before? Correct?

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Speaker 1: I think we grew up all of us, A lot

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01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: of us in the Tiger era, where he was winning

1141
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: tournaments and constantly tinkering with a swing to get better.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to

1143
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: get better. But I do believe when we play our

1144
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: best again, it comes back to this idea that we're

1145
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: happy with what we have and we sort of wear

1146
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 1: it out, I meaning we know exactly what we're doing.

1147
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: It's comfortable to us. It's not a big change. So

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Speaker 1: I do believe that for that reason alone, that this

1149
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: idea of really trying to simplify things physically or at

1150
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: least using them as a guide, is what's most important.

1151
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: It was always important and always guys are always wanting

1152
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: to get better, and I get that that's fine. Motivates people,

1153
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: but getting too far away from what got you to

1154
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: where you are can be it can be tough.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I think that's you know, you got to

1156
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 3: play your game and uh own your.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, there's such, there's such We're pulled

1158
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: in so many different ways. I mean, you see it

1159
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: even on tour. Guys walk down the range and they're

1160
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: seeing guys do different drills and you know, hitting different clubs,

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01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: and they're they're they're asking about it and constantly, you know,

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01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: tinkering with things to try and improve, and it's there's

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Speaker 1: such an allure, there's such a you know, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to get away from. And it's always basic equipment. Companies

1165
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: are coming out with new stuff every couple of months

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01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: and it's new and it's shiny, hit ten yards farther.

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01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: You know, why not? Maybe maybe that's the secret. So

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01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: so fighting that can be really difficult for guys, but

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Speaker 1: I do believe that, like you said, yeah, owning what

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Speaker 1: you do is really important.

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Speaker 3: So you got to talk to all these world class

1172
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Speaker 3: golfers and and you know, you you.

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Speaker 2: You probably learn a lot yourself.

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Speaker 3: But like, who's the one guy, whether he's you know,

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Speaker 3: playing actively now or whether he's you know, he's kind

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01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 3: of past his playing days, who's the guy that you'd

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Speaker 3: like to have like a weekly or monthly conversation about

1178
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Speaker 3: golf with that you don't get to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, tiger Woods would be the unanimous or

1180
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: would be the easy answer for a guy who found

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Speaker 1: so much success under such a microscope, That would, to me,

1182
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: would be the ultimate to to get a peek into

1183
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: that sort of world. But current now, guys that are

1184
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: playing with Like, I really am a fan of how

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01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: DJ plays. People say he doesn't he looks like he

1186
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: doesn't care and so, but he absolutely does. But he's

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Speaker 1: been able to overcome such adversity. I mean, all the

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01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: things that have happened to him in majors where he's

1189
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: played poorly for it also was you know, social issues,

1190
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: everything that's sort of you know, gone against him. He's

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01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: found a way to succeed. And that, to me is

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Speaker 1: really impressive. And that's another guy that now that I

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01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: think what he's done is quite admirable and a lot

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Speaker 1: of people should look to that guy as a model

1195
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: in terms of how you face adversity and how you

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01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: overcome it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like everybody like the easy storyline is like, oh,

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Speaker 3: DJ doesn't really work that hard. It's like, you know,

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Speaker 3: like you don't get to world number one if you

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01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 3: don't work hard, you.

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01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: Know, right, And hard work is sort of this is

1202
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: there's a big misconception. Hard work doesn't necessarily mean going

1203
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: in the range for eight hours and beaten balls. Hard

1204
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: work is finding what works for you, right, whether that's

1205
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: hitting balls for ten minutes or its hitting whatever. But

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Speaker 1: he's he's found that and he does care, I guarantee you,

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Speaker 1: I know, for fat right, and he works at it

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Speaker 1: whatever that means to him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's found his his piece.

1210
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 3: And I think like that his his mentality on the

1211
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 3: golf course, Like I mean I always look at that

1212
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 3: and be like, god like, it just doesn't look.

1213
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: Like he like he feels so in peace with what

1214
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 2: he's doing.

1215
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: You know, he does, and it's almost more fun it

1216
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: selfishly not for him to see him when's struggling, not

1217
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: much changes and he's really good. It's just the meanor

1218
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: is fantastic and obviously don't know what's going on inside

1219
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: his head, but he just projects this sense of freedom

1220
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: that that's to me is like that's gold.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's he's a he's in very interesting study

1222
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 3: and watching him hit a golf ball is pretty unbelievable.

1223
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, he's also a physical freak. I mean, he's unbelievable.

1224
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: He can do and I mean freaking the nicest sense

1225
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: of the word. And it's it's fat it's but like

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01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: you said, it's fascinating to watch.

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Speaker 3: So hey, we we appreciate uh you coming on, it

1228
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 3: was uh it was fun.

1229
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 2: Talk. We'll have to we'll have to do it again.

1230
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Speaker 3: Everybody can find uh, Greg, you're on Twitter, It's at

1231
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 3: GC three Greg, and then any any other way people

1232
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 3: can can get get reached out to you.

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01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I have a website with my contact information

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01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: at least not a whole lot of information just now

1235
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Speaker 1: mindful mindset dot com. H And I'm also on Instagram

1236
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: and trying to get some more content up there. I'm

1237
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: sort of behind the times when it comes to social media,

1238
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: but same address on on Instagram GC three Greg.

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01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah you got. I don't know what your Instagram strategy

1240
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: should be.

1241
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: I'll think about a lot of stuff on there is

1242
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: pictures of my kids and a couple of golf stuff.

1243
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: But so I gotta, uh, I gotta, I gotta get

1244
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: that ramped up a little bit.

1245
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 2: Maybe quotes, you know, quotes could be cool.

1246
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually not a bad idea.

1247
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, they look into.

1248
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 2: That interesting little thoughts that people could take, you know.

1249
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I liked it.

1250
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, we.

1251
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 3: Appreciate you coming on and uh look forward to keeping

1252
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 3: in touch.

1253
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed you

1254
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 1: and uh that'sk of luck with the podcast and we

1255
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: would love to come back