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Speaker 1: Matt beer Kent, who I really met doing this show.

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Speaker 1: US Army veteran served alongside Bobourg Doll and basically the

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Speaker 1: reason we're having you on as you listen to the

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Speaker 1: recent interview with Mike Michael Aams. I know that originally

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Speaker 1: you just said you wrote bullshit, and then I basically said,

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Speaker 1: there were specific points that you wanted to pick apart. Um.

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Speaker 1: So did Cody Follo served with you, who was a

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Speaker 1: things that he said did not happen the way that

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Speaker 1: Michael Um reported on them. So we'll get right into everything.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to say, someone who did the

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to getting into this. Um. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: did listen to the interview. If that was a good interview.

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Speaker 1: I have no agenda against Michael Aames his book. I

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Speaker 1: have no agenda against burg Doll. The whole point of

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Speaker 1: And I don't I just don't understand how. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: government the media come and do a backlash on us

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Speaker 1: when we're just trying to you know, say facts, call

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Speaker 1: us liars or whatever. It was never political. It was

430
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: never to destroy bird dolls. Trying to get the facts

431
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Speaker 1: out there and figure out where they lead. It wasn't

432
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Speaker 1: well we want the narrative to do this, so we'll

433
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Speaker 1: you know, make the facts look like this. Knows here

434
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Speaker 1: are the facts, which way do they go? All we

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Speaker 1: want is the truth and some fucking closure. Well, I said, man, yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Matt, Thank you guys. Thanks dude, talk to

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Speaker 1: you soon and keep you talking away. Man Back on

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Speaker 1: the show. Second Guess, this show is Marine Corps Major

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00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: Fred Galvin always applies you're having yawn And it's funny

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00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: because the last time we had you on, uh, you

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Speaker 1: said that you wanted to come on for a China discussion,

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00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: and so many things kind of happened with this show

443
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: that it was something that kind of slipped my mind

444
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: for a while. And then we started getting emails from

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00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: listeners that have Major Galvin back on for that China discussion,

446
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: and I was glad they said it because it was like,

447
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: all right, this is a good reminder that we gotta

448
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: do it, and we're glad to finally do this. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for coming on today, Fred, and

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Speaker 1: and have I think, from my perspective, this is a

451
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Speaker 1: really important conversation to have, UM. And I think that

452
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Speaker 1: the issue of the rise of China is the issue

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Speaker 1: of the twenty one century. UM. And I know listeners

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Speaker 1: have probably heard me go on about this subject in

455
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Speaker 1: the past, but really I'm interested to bring you into

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Speaker 1: that conversation and hear what you have to say. UM.

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Speaker 1: I feel that everyone's pretty much familiar with you know,

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Speaker 1: your background as a as a Marsac raider, as a

459
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Speaker 1: Marine Corps officer, and your story and the many things

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Speaker 1: that you went through to clear the names of yourself

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Speaker 1: and your men um. Could you talk a little bit though,

462
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Speaker 1: also about your study of this particular issue and how

463
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: you got involved in it. Yes, so I had a

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Speaker 1: securitist route to and I'm not a you know, a

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Speaker 1: Gordon Shang alleged Chinese expert or Michael Pillsbury. I Gordon,

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Speaker 1: by the way, great guy. I've always said, love to

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Speaker 1: have him, monkst he he really knows his stuff with China,

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Speaker 1: he does. And Jack, what you said just a minute

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Speaker 1: ago about China in the twenty one century, we are

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Speaker 1: seeing here in the Pacific Area of Operation what is

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Speaker 1: very scary, what looks like what happened, you know, in

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Speaker 1: the twentieth century when Japan was starting to build their powers.

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Speaker 1: And even Saul you know, Smedley Butler, he was, you know,

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Speaker 1: before he died, he was writing in his book War

475
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Speaker 1: as a Racket. He was predicting things that, you know,

476
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Speaker 1: we are going to have problems because what we're is

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00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: the US was doing off the Japanese coast was viewed

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Speaker 1: very provocative really, and we were trying to counterbalance what

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Speaker 1: the Japanese were doing and as we saw later, did

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Speaker 1: across the not just here in Hawaii, but across the

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Speaker 1: entire Pacific rim right after the similar seventh attacks here.

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Speaker 1: But this same thing you can see right now as

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Speaker 1: we speak. It's I'm not being a harbinger, but this

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00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: is going on across the Pacific with the Chinese. And

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00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, we have a little distraction as everybody's talking

486
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Speaker 1: about Russia and that is that is a big threat.

487
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: But we're seeing this military modernization with China slowly creep creep,

488
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Speaker 1: not just with their weapons and espionage, but we're talking

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Speaker 1: you know, the Spratley and Shinkaku Islands where they were

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Speaker 1: taking these you know, contested islands of the Japanese and

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Speaker 1: the Philippines and they're they're using them to project power

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Speaker 1: so that just like here in Hawaii, we were the

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Speaker 1: United States was this was strategic to us because back

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Speaker 1: then coal was needed to project our naval power across

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Speaker 1: the whole Pacific region. But China is slowly doing this

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Speaker 1: and it's not catching headlines because it's it's just this

497
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: little drip, drip drip as they build another you know,

498
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: they they just commissioned their second aircraft carrier and they're

499
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: they're building their third and this is just very slow.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't catch a whole lot of headlines on mainstream media,

501
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: but those who followed China see that this is very,

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Speaker 1: very alarming. And you know, studying history, I remember this

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Speaker 1: lady and Anne Winslow. She made a comment to the

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Speaker 1: press here in Honolulu that she was saying that this

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Speaker 1: was back in nineteen eleven. And I'll tell you why

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Speaker 1: it's important. She's like, she went down to Fort command

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Speaker 1: May that guarded the entrance of Pearl Harbor, and we

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00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: knew that there's going to be a surface attack, just

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Speaker 1: like the French knew that the Germans were building back up,

510
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: and there's likely going to be another World War or

511
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Speaker 1: an incursion, you know, in the Eastern Front. Uh So,

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Speaker 1: what this lady in Winslow said, she saw these naval

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Speaker 1: guns fire. They thought they were going to come across

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Speaker 1: at sea, possibly do an amphibious assault into Hawaii, which

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Speaker 1: is very vulnerable being so far out of the Pacific.

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Speaker 1: And she said, Japanese can come at any time, because

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Speaker 1: I've seen these four teenage guns fire today. So she

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00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: made that statement to the press, and what happened thirty

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00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: years later well, we all know what happened thirty years later.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I bring that point up, gentlemen, is

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Speaker 1: there's pillboxes all around Hawaii. I mean that it was

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Speaker 1: in we were We were prepared for an attack. We

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Speaker 1: didn't know it was going to be, you know, an

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Speaker 1: aerial assault, just like the French didn't expect somebody to

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Speaker 1: come over that that line. But that's exactly what they did,

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Speaker 1: and we had time to prepare for it. We we

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Speaker 1: knew there was There was many researchers, analysts, people predicting this,

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Speaker 1: and that's what's going on right now. Everybody realizes that

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Speaker 1: China is you know, I mean this this gal Jong

530
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Speaker 1: who you know, got into marraw Lago just over a

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Speaker 1: month ago. I mean, we can go into that, but

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Speaker 1: I mean they are and I do want to talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about what's led me here. So you know,

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Speaker 1: growing up, my mother, she was a travel planner. She

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Speaker 1: eventually worked for a company that was the largest travel

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Speaker 1: agency group travel agency in the United States, and as

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Speaker 1: she was the vice president, we started going all over

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Speaker 1: the world. That led to you know, her taking some

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Speaker 1: of us kids on a lot of these trips. I

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00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: went with my mom on several of these trips to

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Speaker 1: include trips to China and Japan, and it sparked my

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00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: interest in this whole area. Uh, just stating fact, but

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Speaker 1: that's lad to. I've been to seventy one of these countries,

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Speaker 1: most of them multiple times, especially in in the Pacific realm.

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Speaker 1: I've I've lived in Japan for six and a half years.

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Speaker 1: I've traveled to China and Japan and Korea numerous occasions.

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00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: I've worked in that area professionally as a reigned for

548
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: fourteen years and doing a countless number of exercises and

549
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: going in on on ships three years at sea, and

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Speaker 1: five of those six deployments were going to different countries

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Speaker 1: in here. And I see this as very strategic. As

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Speaker 1: you know, we the United States have a strategy that

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00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: works well, but is it able to keep pace? I

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00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: mean China with their their financing And I'd like to

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00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: get into a little that here in a bit as

556
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: as far as how they're trying to leverage against us,

557
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: because we are mainly giving financial aid in legal ways

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00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: and then we're doing military training not just with conventional

559
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: but our special operations forces and that has worked well,

560
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: but now we see the Chinese using some some tactics

561
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: that are really really corrupt, with leveraging aid in the

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00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: form of setting up hotels, casinos, bringing human trafficking that

563
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: comes in with importation of drugs, and it really ruins

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Speaker 1: a lot of these economies. But and this is what's

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Speaker 1: interesting there, Fred, and I think what you're alluding to

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Speaker 1: is that there are a lot of things that we

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Speaker 1: might read in the papers that we see as a

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00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: single action, you know, a single thing happening. But the

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Speaker 1: reality is that behind the scenes, that this is all

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Speaker 1: part of a concerted strategy being advanced by the Chinese

571
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Speaker 1: Communist Party. It completely is. And you know, it's not

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Speaker 1: just the strategy that you know, like Sunsue, he was

573
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Speaker 1: a genius and he was always talking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: the best strategy is to defeat your enemy without even

575
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: drawing the sword. And he's always mentioning to not attack

576
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: the strong point, but to to go after the path

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00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: at least resistance. And so China is not doing things

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00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: where we read about in the mainland. That gets everybody's

579
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: attention because you know, they're they're not aiming anything right

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00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: now at New York City or Washington, d C. Directly,

581
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: but there you look at what they're doing in the

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Speaker 1: Inkaku Islands. You know, right off, this is a contested

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Speaker 1: territory northeast of Taiwan, right next to a the Japanese

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00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: roy Kiu Islands, and the Japanese actually you know, purchased

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00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: these in two thousand twelve. But uh, you know, the

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00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: Chinese have put an aerial designation ZONO that is the

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00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: same thing down off the Palawan and the west side

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00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: of the Philippines. You have the Spratley Islands there and

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00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: we've had a couple of incursions between the USS pre

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00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: Bowl and the Decatur uh here even recently in this

591
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: last month, all the way back to September as well,

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00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: there's some little at sea challenges in China doesn't look

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00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: at this as a game. They want to build up

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00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: these you know, plateaus and use the laws and uh.

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00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: And I go back to, you know what, what's kind

596
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: of led to my interests and you know, when I

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00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: was pursuing my m b A, I was at a

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Speaker 1: the university and talking to several of the Chinese students

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00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: there and that that was really the first time I

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00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: saw and started having a lot of interaction with with

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Speaker 1: Chinese students in America and this is this is a

602
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: big issue with their strategy. But they they're studying law,

603
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: had a lot of interaction with their their law students

604
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: and some their PhD students in business. Very very interesting

605
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: that they kind of used the law to say, hey,

606
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Speaker 1: this is why we have the rights to this, and

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00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: it's going to cause a lot of problems, just like

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00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: it did last century with the Japanese like Hawaii claiming

609
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: that we're hiolating their constitutional freedoms by banning their devices

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Speaker 1: and US government systems. Yes, and they that is a

611
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: total roost that you know, this is a private company,

612
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: but you're seeing more and more of this. When I

613
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: first retired from the Marines and it started, uh you

614
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: know business school, they it was just flooded with the

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00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: Chinese international students. And although we didn't have any in

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00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: and our Executive NBA class, I did have a lot

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Speaker 1: of interaction at the university just asking them questions. Prior

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00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: to so our Executive NBA class had a residency in

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Speaker 1: Shanghai and Beijing, and we need to start talking about, like,

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00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: you know, what some of these companies are doing. It's

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Speaker 1: it starts with this tech transfer, I P theft and

622
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: that was the topic of our team. But the particular

623
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Speaker 1: team I was with in our NBA residency to China's

624
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: some of this IP theft and as you dig into

625
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: the laws, and then you'll go to these markets, big

626
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: signs that say, you know, there's no no allowance for

627
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: any kind of intellectual property theft. And you go there

628
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: and you see any type of electric or garment merchandise,

629
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: it's all just knockoffs, and the people selling it will

630
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: tell you like, hey, they're trying to haggle with you,

631
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: and they had fully admit. Uh, you know, the Chinese

632
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: government bottom line is just allowing that to happen. You know,

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Speaker 1: the students. When I went to go get my PhD,

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00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: I was kind of underestimating the Chinese students and literally

635
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: because mainly I was, you know, short selling them because

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00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: of their language barriers. And immediately after the second week

637
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: after we finished her first dose of readings, not a

638
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: single American was even contributing to discussions. I mean, they

639
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: are they are very intelligent and shrewd, and uh, they

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00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: have a singular focus, just just like Sun Sue. You know,

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Speaker 1: I was talking about massing his forces and it's it's

642
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: really amazing to see how focused that government is, and

643
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: traveling to especially Beijing and speaking with a lot of

644
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: their their leaders there, it is amazing that they will

645
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: take control of a region like we saw just south

646
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: of Beijing. They will kick everybody out of there. You

647
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: probably can't even imagine this in the United States, but

648
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: like every think of kicking everybody out of Connecticut because

649
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: they want to build infrastructure so they can provide services.

650
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: And you know, they're talking with the development leaders are

651
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: like these farmers were so unreasonable. We told them we'd

652
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: give them a condominium, allow them to be retrained and

653
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, a simple job like a waiter. But you

654
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: know the point I make in you all, this is

655
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: when the Chinese government decides they are you know, they

656
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: don't have a balance of powers. It's this is how

657
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: this will work, and they move forward with it. Where

658
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: right now and the United States were we're fighting each

659
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: other trying to figure out which way to go border

660
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: walled this or that, and we're at each other's next

661
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: and they are developing a military capability that we are

662
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: going to contend with, and most of us expect the

663
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: next fifteen years this is going to be something beyond

664
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: the coin fight we've seen in the last eighteen years,

665
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: and just a few data points to add in there

666
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: is the Chinese see society is something to harmonize, that

667
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: they want to harmonize the one of society altogether. And

668
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: there is an ethno nationalist meant to this for them,

669
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: because they see that harmony as being for the Han

670
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: Chinese um and there's over a billion of these people.

671
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: They're not an oppressed minority group as they sometimes pretend,

672
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: especially in their relations with the United States, and that's

673
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: why you see things happening in Chinchean where Muslims are

674
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: being herded into internment camps and things like this, because

675
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: from their point of view, there's nothing wrong with harmonizing

676
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: society into a homogeneous one. You know that. And I'm

677
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: not some Chinese language experts, I don't speaking of Mandarin,

678
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: but you know the the Marine Corps, you know, centur

679
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: Ago was they had Chinese Marines. They occupied garrisons to

680
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: protect the U S interests, mainly around Shanghai Port City

681
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: and so they were garrison there for years and one

682
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: of their leaders, who went on to be the commander

683
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 1: of the original second Marine Writer Battalion, was Lieutenant Colonel

684
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: Evans Carlson, and interesting you bring up, you know, the

685
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: the harmony because he adopted a phrase, the Chinese phrase

686
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: called gung ho and most people who've heard of that

687
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: think that that means something with motivation or yeah, I

688
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: thought it was Korean. No, it's actually Mandarin and it

689
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: means work together. So it has nothing to do with

690
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, energy or motivation or some kind of a spree.

691
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: Well indirectly, yes, it's spree to corps. But it's so

692
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: the reason that Evans Carlson, it was very interested in

693
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: that he's he's talking to these rebels in China, and

694
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: he was very interested in how they could as a

695
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: smaller force attack and destroy larger forces. And it was

696
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, he understood this concept from the Chinese. We

697
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: use gung hole. We have to harmonize these smaller elements

698
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 1: two go after the big elements. And we have seen

699
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: that resurgence in China. Where like the very first time

700
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: I went to China, I remember, just like in Hong

701
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: Kong before it went from British back to a back

702
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: to the BRC, they would used to have a different

703
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: classes of people and there were there was this class

704
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: that would live on these junks out there, and in

705
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: Hong Kong the harbor, they were not even allowed on land.

706
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: And then once now after repetitive trips to Hong Kong

707
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: into mainland China. You see, that's such a I know,

708
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: all you go into that there's no more junks, similar

709
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: to Shanghai that they didn't just clean their are similar

710
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: to Singapore, they didn't just clean their act up. But

711
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: now you see these massive superstructures when you fly or

712
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: sail into Hong Kong. Every year that I see this,

713
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: you just see literally more and more miles of sea

714
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: land containers. It's so impressive when they get so organized,

715
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: like you say, whether it's what they have recently done

716
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: against what they call minor problem with their Muslims and

717
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: how they're handling that, or hey, we're going to clean

718
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: this area up, We're going to get rid of these junks,

719
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna build this city to care for

720
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: the people. You know, traveling and talking to their leaders

721
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: in Beijing, they just think that every if, if you're

722
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: a party member, we have to have our government control everything.

723
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: And when they do, I mean, they make decisions and

724
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: they're moving forward. And why that's important to us in

725
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: the United States is you know, they're they're organizing a

726
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: military force right now to develop an amphibious capability. Again

727
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: trip trip real slowly. But you see all the stuff

728
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: in the headlines about Taiwan, and as you start to wonder, now,

729
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: Taiwan it's self governed state, but China wants to control it.

730
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: In the United States has a treaty to defended if China,

731
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: China has aggression against it, so likely that will be

732
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: something you know, we'll see happen unfortunately in the future. Fred,

733
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: one of the things I was hoping I could get

734
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: you to explain to the listeners today was I often

735
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: hear people say in regards to China and the rise

736
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: of China and the military threat that it presents. They'll say, well, look,

737
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: China doesn't have any troop transport capability, they don't have

738
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: any heavy lift, they don't have the same fighter jets

739
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: were as many as we have. Um they they a

740
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: lot of people I feel don't understand that China's strategy

741
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: is not to match US tank for tank or fighter

742
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: jet to fighter jet. Like that is profoundly not their strategy.

743
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: You're you're exactly right, they are they're using you know

744
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: that their Chinese philosophy in a in a couple of ways,

745
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: and I don't want to talk right now. And you

746
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: know they're they're Belt and Road initiative. How they're doing

747
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: this economically with alliances. But let's talk military for a second. First. Um,

748
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: it's just like in Europe after the First World War.

749
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: You know, they thought it was going to be you know,

750
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: this tank to tank battle until the Germans realized, you know,

751
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: they can do they can cross us, they can go

752
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: over these lines and use aviation too. Now that Chinese,

753
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred years after that, you are looking

754
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: at do we want to build a massive aircraft carrier

755
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: force And they're slowly building that. They know it's a capability,

756
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: but they're really investing in more nuclear submarines. They don't technically,

757
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: per se have a triad with the air surface in

758
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: nuclear missile ballistic missile capability. That's but that's coming. And

759
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: what we fear is what they are investing in is

760
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: these long range bombers, the signate capability we've seen recently.

761
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: They're looking for all this information operations, how to how

762
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: to combine this and work and do operations across a

763
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: region much the way that you know we do here

764
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: and in the United States. But they are slowly building

765
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: this a phobeous capability. We realized in the United States

766
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: it's a deficit, and but they're slowly multidmain looking at

767
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: the technology as far as communication, jamming and uh you know,

768
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: antisubmarine warfare. So they are developing on the high tech.

769
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: But there they are slowly building this amphibious forces. As

770
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: we've recently seen it really started to get aggressive in building.

771
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: The People's Liberation Army has a branch just like our

772
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: Marine Corps, and that is growing. And just like our

773
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: National Defense Strategy that was released in two thousand and

774
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: eighteen that came out, well, Secretary Madisters still there. It

775
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: talks about and this is how we've kind of tie

776
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: it back into these other countries, but it talks about

777
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: these resurgent nations such as China and Russia. And one

778
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: thing they're doing is as far as to fund a

779
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: lot of their high tech weapons. You know Chinese really

780
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: and you look at their students, they're they're massively getting

781
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: into the high tech and putting into their military modernization.

782
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: And we're seeing what it says in the National Defense

783
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: strategy released last year that to finance this, they're selling

784
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: them to all kinds of countries. And that's what we've

785
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: seen happen with with North Korea. You look at all

786
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: the kanji that's on those missiles in the North Korean parade.

787
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: That's not Hungule, that is that is Chinese h and

788
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: it's it's really it's you know, we saw the same

789
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: thing going on in Turkey with you know, they want

790
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: to buy some S four triple A weapons from the Russians.

791
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: We're starting to box say you're never going to get

792
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: our F thirty five. So Russia comes back and says, hey,

793
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: we'll sell your st flankers. So but this, just like

794
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: Mattis had put in that National Defense strategy, these countries, Russian, China,

795
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: they're going to be financing and underwriting these things so

796
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: that they're selling these high tech weapons to other countries,

797
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: which you know we saw you a e they can

798
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: buy pretty much anything, and they've they've recently been acquiring

799
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: a lot of these Chinese drones. Why is that important, Well,

800
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: we have a lot of aid with military training and

801
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: finance going to a lot of these countries, and in

802
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: China's is competing you know, we have friends like Singapore

803
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, well, you know they're buying our

804
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: fifth generation fighters. Well, they also did just look at

805
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: the J twenty, you know that the Chinese weapons, and

806
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: they were looking at the Russian before they bought the

807
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: German invincible submarines. So they're choosing their partners wisely. And

808
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: that's where it all ties into. They're not just looking

809
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: at confronting us face to face. They're using these legal

810
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: and international alliances with UH and kind of enslaving a

811
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: lot of these client state countries. There's been sixty of

812
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: them that they've been doing this with. And President Jijing

813
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: being is very smart with this silk economic belt that

814
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: he is developing both maritime and overland to jump on

815
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: all these resources. Like we're in Afghanistan slugging it out

816
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: toe to toe with Taliban, you know they're in They're

817
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: harvesting all these minerals and resources, and that's their goal

818
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: with this silk economic belt is to get these alliances

819
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: harvest this, especially in the routes as their strategy is

820
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 1: that the United States cannot impact, but they are. They're

821
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: also even looking at Polar Silk route. While we're getting

822
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, hamstrung and these long drawn out, expensive wars. Yeah.

823
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: I uh, it's interesting you mentioned that because I actually

824
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: wrote a novel, kind of a military thriller about that,

825
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: about how this polar Arctic route was opening up and

826
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: how that changes things from a security standpoint. But um,

827
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: also with the Belt and Road initiative, I mean, it's

828
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: very interesting and your you're a marine, of course you

829
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: understand that there is this theory, um, or maybe we

830
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: can call it a fact even that whoever controls the

831
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: high seas is going to be able to control the

832
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: world because they you can control, uh, not just from

833
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: a military perspective, but as far as international shipping and

834
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: maintaining norms on the high seas, and so they relate

835
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: to things like innocent passage. Um. But the Belton Road

836
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: Initiative goes around that, and it it subverts our naval power.

837
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: They China has got these fifty economic zones with sixty

838
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: different nations. That's like two thirds of the world's population.

839
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: And while we've been focusing, you know, with several administrations

840
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: over the last nearly two decades on on things that

841
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: have taken us in a non strategic direction, they have

842
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: been capitalizing on these resources. They've been you know that

843
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: Belton Road initiatives, you know, to develop their system of

844
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: pipelines and roads and railways to seize this so that

845
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: they have power, you know, for the next hundred years

846
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: and if they close down, you know, putting these little

847
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: islands out there and having power to control the sea

848
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: lanes and shut down our lines. Communication is a serious issue,

849
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: not just in Northeast Asia, but as they're doing. I

850
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: mean it's Spratley Islands off there and the Philippines. They

851
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: and we're trying to do it. We're trying to countermeasure them,

852
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: so we we put things in different areas in Asian.

853
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: We're seeing this encouragement across the whole world. It's not

854
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: just that you know, they've if we move marines down

855
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: to Harwin, Australian, what are the Chinese they buy the

856
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: porp down there. You know, we even here in this

857
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: hemisphere we had to you know, they bought both sides

858
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: of the Panama Canal. They're collecting on us right out

859
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: of Cuba. But there you look at Belarus, Sri Lanka,

860
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: Maldives that they they're going everywhere. When when I travel

861
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 1: seen just massive Chinese construction in the Philippines, Indonesia, Africa.

862
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: It's I mean, you see it down in Venezuela. So

863
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: a lot of this is that, you know, one point

864
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: three trillion dollars of China has just been recently pumping

865
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: to a lot of these countries on these quote unquote

866
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: no strings, low interest loans. In some countries are smart

867
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: enough to you know, pull back and say, hey, we're

868
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: gonna and mainly are strong allies like India Japan like, hey,

869
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: we don't, we don't want to take this money and

870
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: become one of your client states. But again it goes

871
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: back to you know, a communist regime where the leadership

872
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: is so centralized when they make a decision and they're

873
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: really moving forward with that. It's it's a threat that

874
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: we are going to like like and Ann Winslow thought, oh,

875
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: you know we have this she was focused micro. You know,

876
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: we have this power to blast these Japanese ships out

877
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: of the water if they come and tack us a

878
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: pearl harbor. But you know, we are very vulnerable as

879
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: we have all these U S territories and protectorate's not

880
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: just a state like the Hawaiian Islands, but we have

881
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: in the Marshall Islands, the Marianas all the way out

882
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: to allow that are just tiny little islands, very vulnerable.

883
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: The Chinese know that they're building military build up on

884
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: these other islands. And meanwhile they have alliances that will

885
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: shut us down and with a lot of trade routes,

886
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: and they're building or military very aggressively right now. And

887
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: you can see how getting us kicked out of Japan,

888
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: the Philippines in South Korea would be a huge boon

889
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: for the Chinese to get us just right out of

890
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,959
Speaker 1: the Pacific rim. Yes, and and they're smart about it there,

891
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, them selling all these weapons, them challenging us

892
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: in the seas. Some of these countries are wondering who

893
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: decide with you know, well, they side with, you know,

894
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: the Americans, because you know, the Chinese aren't exactly nor

895
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: nor were the Japanese exactly kind when they take control

896
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: of some things, and you know, like we saw in

897
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: Thailand and they built this massive, huge they so they've

898
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: given these loans, they build all this instruction. They get

899
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: this train that goes down there built with Chinese labor,

900
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: and you know, the main the main beneficiary is not

901
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: you know the country that gets the loan, but it's

902
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: it's always China, and it's on their terms, and if

903
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: they can't make payments, then there's terms and conditions with

904
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: collateral assess to it. In it it further ties them

905
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: to being a client state and a separates you know,

906
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: that country from what the United States is doing. And so,

907
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: you know, we really have and we started seeing this

908
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: with some of the you know, they're building these casinos

909
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: bringing in the human trafficking. It's hard when we just

910
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: do military training and put some financial aid out there

911
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: to compete with things that bring in massive jobs, massive tourism,

912
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: and but that leads to something else that you know,

913
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: we started to see a lot here in the United

914
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: States of the importation not just narcotics from south of

915
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: the border, although there's a lot of China and he's

916
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: fent in all that is coming south of the border,

917
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a massive problem that's affecting United

918
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 1: States with the importation of Chinese fent in al, which

919
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: is you know, had a recent examine they you know,

920
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: that was one of the anesthetic drugs that they used

921
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: to on myself. But fin in all that, what the

922
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: Chinese are doing is I mean they're drugs that they

923
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: put in here are really not just causing addiction, causing deaths.

924
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 1: And you've seen that Fenton al death from about ten

925
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: years ago. It was three thousand overdoses. Now it's twenty

926
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: eight thousands. So we've seen the six and the Chinese no,

927
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: and they've had their opium wars. You go into any

928
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: Chinese airport, drugs will be punished by death. I mean

929
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: they are serious. All the precursor chemicals for the opiates

930
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: are produced in China and then brought I believe that

931
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: a lot of them are brought into Mexico and then

932
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: smuggled north. Yes, and they're a lot of these islands

933
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: chains here in the Pacific. We've seen you know what it's.

934
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you can if you travel repetitively small little

935
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: islands out here and you see, like, wow, this used

936
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: to beautiful. They used to have a robust economy. You know,

937
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: you bring in a little casino. Human trafficking falls with

938
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: the drugs. I mean, the Chinese new this. That's why

939
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: they outlawed opium and they're very strict. You know, it

940
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: is punishable by death. And you know the Chinese they

941
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: have these when you're targeted for termination. They do have

942
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: this little van. You can see it if you travel

943
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: to China and they euthanize you right there. I mean,

944
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: it's so they are very centralized, control, very severe, just

945
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: like you see in some Middle Eastern countries with some

946
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: of their death penalty bays. When you control the press,

947
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: like our grad students when we went over to China's

948
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: they were freaking out like, man, we can't you know

949
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: on Facebook, But it's yeah, they they controlled the narrative,

950
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: so like I'm controlling. So what do you make of

951
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: claims then that President g has overstepped his bounds, that

952
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: he has lost his patients, that making himself president for

953
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: life was a strategic miscalculation. Um claims that the Chinese

954
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: government can no longer produce GDP growth per year. I mean,

955
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: do you think that there's any any truth to this,

956
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: that that the their their reach has gone beyond their

957
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: grasp at this point. I think that's very So like

958
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: when President Trump says we're in economically when we raise

959
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: the price of soybeans, people in China that depend on

960
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: that as a statement, a lot of people think like

961
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: China is depending on us. Yes, so for certain things.

962
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 1: So what that does is, you know, certain people start

963
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: to starve when we when we go tow to tow

964
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: economically with you know, some of these trade issues, and

965
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: that is exactly what we're talking about. People are fearing

966
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: g Ping and his regime. They you know, when when

967
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: people start to protest, the last thing they want. You know,

968
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: when we travel as gratitudents, you have to major cities,

969
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's people cannot assemble, they don't have freedom

970
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 1: of speech there. But they have these underground little internets

971
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: and people do socialize, but they're they're very fearful of

972
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: that that the actual individuals you know talking about it

973
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: and but but they will but it's not something on

974
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: a macro level. That but that is exactly what the

975
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: Chinese fear, and they will utilize you know, there law

976
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: enforcement to go after any any group anywhere, especially religious,

977
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: anything that's organized that can upset that power because they

978
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: try to control the communication, control the population. And uh,

979
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: he's starting to see a little that in the United

980
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: States with with some of our freedoms of you know,

981
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: people trying to shut down discourse by insulting and calling

982
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: people names. So you have to have like this group

983
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: thing but the Chinese, they definitely have that and they

984
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: want to maintain that ability to control the narrative, not

985
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: allow everybody to know what's going on, pushing out a

986
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 1: state sponsored you know, narrative. That's jes being is smart.

987
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 1: And when you think that they over extend himself. Well,

988
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: I think in the future is more people come to

989
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: the West, they understand this. It's just like when a

990
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: lot of people from you know, Jihada Muslim extremists come

991
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,479
Speaker 1: to the United States and they they want to tackle

992
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: a lot of those have had their minds, you know,

993
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: wrapped around what freedom is all about. And it's not

994
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: a bad thing. And that's what I think j Ping

995
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: realizes is you know, you can say the narrative the

996
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: lies so much, but you know, having people, you know,

997
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: this information highway that is out there. You can go

998
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: into these Western hotels in China and and get connected

999
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: to the internet. But it's a it's for Westerners, but people.

1000
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: People are starting to become you know, like the T

1001
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: one thousand, they self self aware of, you know, so

1002
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: cyber and system. In my opinion, people will know more

1003
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: and more in China what's going on around the world

1004
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: with immigration and repatriation. There's that's a big fear of

1005
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: the government. Though. It seems really that there are competing

1006
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: visions of the future. And you know, America has always

1007
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: to do to improve, but the Chinese version of the future,

1008
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: what they seem to envision with the social credit schemes

1009
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: and so forth, it's just horrifying. It's like something out

1010
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: of you know, an oldest Huxley novel. Yeah, and you know,

1011
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: I see that similar ways here in the United States.

1012
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: You know, you protest too much against your boss. You know, hey,

1013
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: this is screwed up. I'm gonna keep it real and

1014
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna launch a little insurgency at your your work. Well,

1015
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: you know, you can get your pink slip. And and

1016
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: that's that fear is. I mean, in China, everybody's working.

1017
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: You don't see homeless people there, but you know when

1018
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: almost everything is provided by the state, and that's how

1019
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: a large majority everybody's really thinking that this is how

1020
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: it has to come. There's people that object, but they

1021
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: don't protest too much. They whether it's with their own

1022
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: people or these other countries that they've had these economic

1023
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: zones established. I mean, when you inject that kind of

1024
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: money into Central Asia and all the stands, and they're

1025
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: bringing all these natural resources through. I mean, that's that

1026
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: is real. It is life changing for these countries, and

1027
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: it starts off very positive and it gets people and

1028
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: a lot of these countries elected and re elected. And

1029
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: but it's not always it's not good for them. Oftentimes

1030
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: in long term it's it's definitely not good for the

1031
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: United States. Is all these countries are starting to now

1032
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: align with China as they build up their military, and

1033
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, our our National Defense Strategy calls it out

1034
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: in that two document that they're a threat. China is

1035
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: a threat, and we realize that, our our national leaders

1036
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: realize that's our number one threat. And but but if

1037
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: you look at what do they talk about mainstream media,

1038
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: you don't you don't hear so much about China. Hear

1039
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: about the presidential politics is all of Trump and whoever

1040
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: is going to run against him, the border wall. But

1041
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: China is something that is going to impact, you know,

1042
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: our safety in the quality of life that we can

1043
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: do it with what they're doing economically and militarily too.

1044
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: By the way, what you said just a little bit

1045
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: ago about the US kind of having that social credit

1046
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: system on obviously a much you know, a minute scale

1047
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: of what's over there and looking at things objectively, it

1048
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: is true. I think we feel like with Twitter and

1049
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: with Facebook, we have more free speech than ever. And

1050
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: and it is technically free speech because you're not going

1051
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: to get jailed for things that you say. But as

1052
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,479
Speaker 1: you said, you certainly could lose a job for things

1053
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: that you say. I know people who wrote something that

1054
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: they thought was harmless and then the next thing they know,

1055
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: they're out of a job. And I think that that's

1056
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: almost the appeal for a lot of people of Trump

1057
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: is that he could be critical of the press. He

1058
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: could be critical of the media. He's even been critical

1059
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: of people in his own administration, and as the president

1060
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: he could do that, he could write whatever he wants.

1061
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: But as a private citizen, you do that, you might

1062
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: find yourself out of a job. So it's uh. The

1063
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: social credit thing, I think is kind of interesting on

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Speaker 1: a global scale, but it's much unlike China, where you're

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna be jailed for it. Well, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: also understand that President Trump wants to start these like

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Speaker 1: food fights with his own administration. He wants to fight

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Speaker 1: the c I A. He wants to fight you know,

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Speaker 1: his Department of Justice. Let me tell you, you don't

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Speaker 1: see that in the People's Republic of China, but vertically integrated.

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Speaker 1: And the point being though that he could do that.

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Speaker 1: If you as a member of the administration it's something

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Speaker 1: critical of another part of the administration, they'd be like,

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Speaker 1: you're out of here. But it's almost like when you're

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Speaker 1: the president, or when you have all this money, you're

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01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: the you know, head of some corporation, you could do

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Speaker 1: things that the average citizen just can't do. And that'scize today. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there is, it is truth. There is a such thing

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Speaker 1: as fuck you money. You know, in the US, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's just a fact. I mean that we

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Speaker 1: do like to always say that that we're a free

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Speaker 1: country or free to say whatever we want. But especially

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Speaker 1: with social media stuff, we've learned that you know, uh

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Speaker 1: learned especially I mean this, this is a whole discussion

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Speaker 1: about free speech. We've talked about before. But people find

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Speaker 1: out that someone who's in a job that has nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with anything like this is a member of

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Speaker 1: let's say some like white supremacist group. All right, you

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Speaker 1: will very likely lose your job. For something like that.

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Speaker 1: Now rightfully, rightfully or wrongfully, we could have that debate.

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Speaker 1: But it's true, the more that you're kind of putting

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Speaker 1: out there, you you could have it could have you know,

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Speaker 1: detrimental effects. Well, what we're talking about as the dark

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Speaker 1: sides of two opposing systems, communism and capitalism. And you're

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Speaker 1: talking about the dark sides of capitalism where these big

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Speaker 1: companies and corporations come to have more power than an

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Speaker 1: individual than they overshadow your individual civil rights. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: and I will say, by the way, it's two very

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Speaker 1: different things too, because one is a actual free speech

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Speaker 1: issue where in China you will be jailed for saying

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Speaker 1: certain things, where as Friends says, you will be youth

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Speaker 1: euthanized to buy the black van if Yeah. The other

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Speaker 1: is where if you're voluntarily putting out putting stuff out there,

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Speaker 1: a private or public sector job could say hey, we

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01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: don't want an employee UM representing you know us in

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Speaker 1: that way. And when you're out in public, the the

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Speaker 1: wine has basically been blurred between um, when what you're

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Speaker 1: doing as a private citizen and what you're doing representing

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Speaker 1: your company or even your government. You know, it's interesting

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Speaker 1: you talk about this this control um. I was just

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Speaker 1: flying back this last weekend from Washington, d C. Through

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, stopped for the weekend talking to a friend

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Speaker 1: of mine. He's a movie producer and uh, he's making films.

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Speaker 1: I won't mention the name because this could demonstrate just

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. But he's like, hey, you know he's

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Speaker 1: trying to get financing. And guess what. You know the

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Speaker 1: the Chinese who are financing and the same thing, he says,

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Speaker 1: this is very strongly with the Middle Eastern financers as well,

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Speaker 1: but specifically with Chinese, like they put terms and conditions

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Speaker 1: in that. And I'll give example of this too. He's like,

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Speaker 1: you have to have some Chinese actors in their China

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Speaker 1: is not allowed to be portrayed anything Chinese, a person

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Speaker 1: or anything related. China cannot be portrayed any kind of

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Speaker 1: negative skew at all, or they'll lose all fundings. So

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Speaker 1: you know, I've done a little extra work here in

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Speaker 1: the last year and there's a sign a nondisclosures. I

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Speaker 1: can't say what film it is, but you're gonna see

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Speaker 1: the thing that used to have this main The main

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Speaker 1: role is a classic American film the main actress was

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Speaker 1: an American, and so she'll she'll be Asian, sh'll be

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Speaker 1: Chinese when it's released next year. That's all I can say.

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Speaker 1: But that kind of control is is actual, is real,

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Speaker 1: And you take that at a at a macro level

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Speaker 1: inside a theater, and you know, we're like, hey, I

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Speaker 1: thought I thought Kim Jong n was like warming up

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Speaker 1: to us and everything. Well he's he's on the payroll

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Speaker 1: to you know, China is watching, you know, Kim Jong

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Speaker 1: He's watching the United States do this little waltz with

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Speaker 1: Kim Jong un because that's what they're going to do.

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01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: They're seeing how we react, which is it just going

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01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: to be through trade embargoes or are we going to

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Speaker 1: use military power? So you know, is Kim Jong owns

1143
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: starts to do another missile launches, we just woke up

1144
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: to that today. That's a North Korea shooting missiles at

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01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: South Korea. Yeah, and people wonder like, hey, what's what's

1146
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 1: going to will the finance here? Who's really the puppeteer

1147
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: pull in the strings is pain and he's using you know,

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Speaker 1: as surrogate through North Korea. Like I said, all that

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Speaker 1: Kanji on those military trades that that's Chinese that they

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01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: are supplying the technology, the weapons, and they want to

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01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: return on their investment, and they're going to control and

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01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're using him as a beta test to

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01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: see where that's going to go and what they can do.

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Speaker 1: Their studying us, and I'll tell you you know, studying

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Speaker 1: at the university, Chinese students are just they're They're smarter,

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01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: harder working, and they look to the future. They have

1157
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: no desire to to solve anything for themselves or they

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01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: here right now. They are thinking longer down the road,

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Speaker 1: and they literally academically left us in the dust. Just Um.

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Speaker 1: One thing I just like to add real quick, fred Um.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are aware about the

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Speaker 1: some of the stuff in Hollywood, Um, some of the

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Speaker 1: stuff with our films. You'll see almost no critique of

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Speaker 1: China anywhere in our media, anywhere in fiction at all,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Um. But there's one thing I'd like

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Speaker 1: to add to that that I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people don't realize is that a lot of our books,

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Speaker 1: a lot of our English language books are printed in China,

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Speaker 1: and the Chinese will go there will be like government

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Speaker 1: censors or quasi government censors who will go through English

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Speaker 1: language books and they will tell you that they won't

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Speaker 1: they won't let you print your book if there's something

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Speaker 1: in there they don't like UM, and it could be

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Speaker 1: obviously a book that's negative on China they won't publish,

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Speaker 1: or they won't they won't print it for us. But

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's even like really like obscure stuff, like I

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Speaker 1: had a friend who wrote a book about UM. It's

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Speaker 1: a photo book that involves Ice this and the Kurds

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01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: and things like that, and the Chinese censors went through

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Speaker 1: that and like we're like, Nope, not publishing it. I

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Speaker 1: guess because they thought it might promote as long Islamic

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Speaker 1: extremism or something like that. I really don't know, but

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Speaker 1: there was stuff they didn't like in the book, Um

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Speaker 1: photographs they didn't look like, so they wouldn't they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: print it. It all gets scrubbed. And as the labor

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Speaker 1: number one thing they were saying about that topic when

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Speaker 1: we're in China, you know, they're constantly saying. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's big companies, they're American companies like Apple or their

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Speaker 1: their surrogate and forward, but they have to also go

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Speaker 1: along with the system, which leads to other things like

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01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: intellectual property theft, not just with merchandise. But you know,

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Speaker 1: these big companies are are losing billions of dollars, but

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Speaker 1: they can't even say anything about it. They may have

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01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: some leaked memos here or there, but because they're making

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01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: so much money in the long term, they know they're

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01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: they're losing. There's all these knockoffs. You guys have seen

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Speaker 1: them when you travel around you other stuff, especially in

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Speaker 1: the Asia. You see all this stuff being sold in

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Speaker 1: People think black markets is something shady and subterranean, but no,

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Speaker 1: it's it's open on the streets. But you know, these

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01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: big companies can't say anything because you know China will

1202
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: shut them down. And now what China is doing is

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01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: in our travels there they everybody's saying, you know, the

1204
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: Chinese labor is now over price compared to you know

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Speaker 1: what's going on in Vietnam and in the Philippines and India.

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Speaker 1: So what are the China is really trying to use

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Speaker 1: these silk routes to tie in these clients, states, control them,

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Speaker 1: build these rail systems to connect them, get them involved

1209
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Speaker 1: in these loans, and exploit labor natural resources. You know,

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Speaker 1: they don't have to contend with like our legal system

1211
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Speaker 1: that pays tension to environmental issues just human rights. Uh. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're seeing some shifts from China being everything

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01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: produced there in their GDP internal to the country. But

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Speaker 1: that's also like back to what you said before, it

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Speaker 1: destabilizes is you know, some of these people aren't working

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Speaker 1: some of these jobs. Go go to see some of

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01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: these things in your stores where they're made. It's it's

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Speaker 1: not always China now. But that's so that's going to change,

1219
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Speaker 1: and that's a vulnerability. And in the United States is

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Speaker 1: is very you know, we've got expert analysts looking at

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Speaker 1: how we're going to try to count on this, but

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Speaker 1: it's just hard sometimes when you have morals and ethics

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Speaker 1: and that's what you're our laws are geared towards to

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01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 1: counter what the Chinese are doing that's not so in

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01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: our Western sense moral and ethically right. And as much

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Speaker 1: as I've riffed on our president and some of the

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Speaker 1: things he does that I don't like, one thing I

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01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: have to say that I am happy about the Trump

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01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,839
Speaker 1: administration is they've begun to take on just the beginning,

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Speaker 1: the very beginning of taking on China, I feel um

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01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: with some of these trade deals. Um, I think it

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Speaker 1: was a mistake to pull out of the Trans Pacific Partnership.

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Speaker 1: But aside from that, I'm happy with some of the

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Speaker 1: things his administration has done, including putting Chinese propaganda outlets

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Speaker 1: in the United States on the on the foreign Agents

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Speaker 1: list and making them register. Yes, and you know he

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01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: saw recently, you know, this administration, they had the two

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Speaker 1: by two administ meetings, had had a Secretary of Pompeo

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Speaker 1: from the Great State of Kansas and you know, acting

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Speaker 1: Sectaf Shanahan. You know, they're over there with the Japanese,

1241
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: and the Japanese are fully where fully aligned with US.

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01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: But that is something that the Japanese are improving their

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01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: defenses very and they realize like, hey, we can't have

1244
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: Yankee go home so fast. You need to be we

1245
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: have to be aligned with the United States. And it's

1246
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,759
Speaker 1: so it's starting to you know, these recent talks last month,

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01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: it's that has been very strategic and hopefully other countries

1248
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: can see that. Okay, a strong country in Asia like Japan,

1249
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: not just economically, but you know, they're regrowing their military.

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01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: They are countering a lot of these incursions from the Chinese.

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01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: We were threatened, you know, some of these Asian countries

1252
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Speaker 1: with their Chinese cyber and electronic attacks. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we have the big outside partner in the United States

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Speaker 1: aligning with these countries. And hopefully that's what here in

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Speaker 1: the Indo Paycalm area, that there can be more of

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01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: more alignment with partnerships. As a Japan the Chinese have

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Speaker 1: just you know, they've they've already gone deep in the pup.

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01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: Everybody else has gone deep in the box of the Chinese.

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01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:00,759
Speaker 1: We need to counterbalance that. One of the thinks about

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Speaker 1: are how different our cultures are from one another, between

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01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: America and well China, but also much of the world.

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Speaker 1: Honestly is you know, as Americans, we kind of put

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Speaker 1: our past in the past and we just kind of

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01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: put it there and leave it there. Um But you

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Speaker 1: go talk to a lot of foreign cultures and they

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01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: talk about nine eighteen like it was yesterday. Um. So,

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Speaker 1: between Japan and China, all that stuff that went down

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Speaker 1: in Manchure you during the war isn't exactly forgotten. Don't

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Speaker 1: forget about it at all. No, it's it's weird because

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Speaker 1: like in America, we can hardly think about what happened

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Speaker 1: prior to the turn of the millennial. And you talked

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Speaker 1: to when I lived in Japan. It's uh, you talked

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Speaker 1: a lot of the Japanese and I lived in this

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Speaker 1: village and they talked about, Hey, you guys deserved Pearl Harbor.

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Speaker 1: You deserved it. And this isn't some radical thought, but

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01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: it's what Chesti Poler is right. Not Chessiel, but Smedley

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01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: Butler was writing about in his book, you know the

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01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 1: Wars Iraqet. He was saying, why do we have our

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01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 1: seventh fleet off the coast probing these Japanese territorial waters.

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01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: We're provoking Chinese see the same thing, like why are

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Speaker 1: you out? You know these are contested waters and you

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01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 1: know the Spratley Islands, but it's a you know, they've

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01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: they've got like these three little areas. You know that

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01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: they're the Chinese and Americans are doing this dance, and

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01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 1: that's going to lead to not just confrontation, it's going

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01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 1: to lead to a direct conflict. I mean, we almost

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Speaker 1: had a ship, the Decayedur run in with the Chinese

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01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: ship and one of these days, just like it did

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Speaker 1: a hundred years ago. You know, it's leading to a

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01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: military build up and just like and Winslow inaccurately predicted it, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you can come and attack us and then they just

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01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: hit us top down instead of you know, beak to beak,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what China is going to do.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to be you know, just with some

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Speaker 1: you know, big military bomb. It's going to be a

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Speaker 1: multidermain fight where you know, cyber electronic attack is going

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01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: to hit some brmal and then we have to you know,

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01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: that could be could start with Taiwan as we've read

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Speaker 1: a lot about the Chinese or wanting to exert their

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Speaker 1: authority over you know, traditionally PRC their their Chinese and

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01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: it's kind of like how they want to reunify the

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Speaker 1: Korean peninsula. That's how China feels about Taiwan. And we

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Speaker 1: have a treaty to defend them, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: going to be exercised, unfortunately with losing a lot of

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01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: American a lot of American blood. Another historical example, and

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Speaker 1: this is another maybe more pertinent one to our discussion,

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01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: is you know the Boxer Rebellion and that you know,

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Speaker 1: there were American Marines in China, and this is a

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Speaker 1: conflict we don't know. Americans don't know anything about. They

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01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: don't care at all about this. But the Chinese right

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Speaker 1: about suffering humiliation at the hands of the West, and

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01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 1: this is a conflict we could give a damn about.

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01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: Some is that it's not mainstream and those that don't

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01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:17,839
Speaker 1: and I'm not you know, some somebody that's deep into

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01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 1: living in China have some you know, crazy fetish or something.

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01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: But I mean if you do, if you travel and

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01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: do business, you see this that you know, they don't

1318
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: forget that. Some people will talk about it, especially if

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01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: you can get them in American university. But yeah, I

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01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 1: mean it goes back to what we're mentioning with miss Young,

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01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 1: Like what was this woman doing with multiple passports, cell

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01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: phone and USB drives and this cash in her hotel?

1323
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: I mean debts? That is espionage. I mean it's not

1324
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: a lot of public information is out about what's going on,

1325
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: but you know, she's just happened to make making her

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Speaker 1: way into the presidents a personal mar Lago compound. It's

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01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: with USB drive with malware. I mean, this is something

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01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 1: and there's there's been little discussion in some of the

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Speaker 1: mainstream media about you know, the massive pushed to have

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Speaker 1: espionage in our American universities by the Chinese. I think

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01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: that's that is something that's not just for tech transfer,

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01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: and I p the purposes, but that's a I think

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01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 1: that's the way of the future because again it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a country that's able to mobilize a population of

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01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: a billion people and they see everybody of Chinese descent

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01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: as belonging to China in their minds, very homogeneous culture,

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01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: like one mind harmony as their mindset is. So, I

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01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 1: mean I encountered it when I went to Colombia and

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01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 1: I wrote an article about it, and it was it

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01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: was before really I mean not to like pat myself

1341
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: on the back, but I think I was kind of

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01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: the first person are really right about it, um openly

1343
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: and um or at least in like a mainstream outlet,

1344
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: and um I got some pushback for it. You know,

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01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: it's interesting to see people come out of the woodwork

1346
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: and say this is racist. You can't say that. It's

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01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: interesting you say that, Jack, because you know, we in

1348
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: America we talked about freedom of speech, but we don't

1349
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: really you know, you if you sit there and like

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01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: wave our flags, some people think that's on patriotic. Some

1351
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,759
Speaker 1: people pose the flag thing is its oppressive. I remember

1352
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 1: working with the Australian Commandos example, the counter that here

1353
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: in the Pacific. They say they were we're finishing our trainer.

1354
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: Say what they didn't have this piece of technology And

1355
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 1: I said, what if you can't link back up with

1356
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: your you know, HQ And they said, no warriors, mate,

1357
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,799
Speaker 1: you just want to get off the ship and anyway

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01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 1: we'll be in Australia. You know, they have this solidarity

1359
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: and the Chinese definitely have that. It'll be interesting to

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01:18:55,439 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: see is a military force, how they employed at if

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01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: that can be something that they grow, and is America

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01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: in the West even some of these other countries, they're

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01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 1: not as hard as they once were. They do have

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01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: some very good elite units in the in Northeast Asia

1365
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: and across Asia. But it's a China is building their

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01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: force out. And one of the things we did when

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01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 1: I was still in the uniforms work with their the

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01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,719
Speaker 1: Hong Kong Special Duties Unit. It's like a swat team,

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01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: but it's a military component right there in Hong Kong.

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01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: And it's kind of weird because we're tasked to go

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01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 1: in there and do this. But you know there's there's

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01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: a p l A, you know, headquarters down there and

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01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, Hong Kong and here we're training their elite units.

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01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 1: But I will say this, they were very good. They

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01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 1: impressed me to where I would put them on par

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01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 1: with any unit that I've ever seen in the United States.

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01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 1: They were shar fit. It could kit they you know,

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01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: their tactics were first class. And sometimes we just underestimate

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01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: our enemies. And that's I think we've been criticized by

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01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: the Germans in the past by so many military We

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01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: don't follow a lot of doctrine, were unpredictable because we're

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01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit too fly by the seat

1383
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: of our pants entrepreneurial. I know, as an army guy,

1384
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: you think like, wow, we have a lot of doctrine,

1385
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: but you know, we kind of go in and we

1386
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: don't follow a strategy, you know, lock lockstep in. In

1387
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: many ways, that's good, but I will say this that

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01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 1: these countries they're not messing around. You get a lot

1389
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 1: of thought put into it, with a lot of financing,

1390
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,599
Speaker 1: they're procuring a lot of technology. It's a I mean,

1391
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 1: if you look at that, you know J twenty kind

1392
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: of looks like the F twenty two. You start thinking

1393
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: a little bit wherein Yeah, it's a it's strange and

1394
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, just like we saw a hundred years ago

1395
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: when or after the where I should say, Um, you

1396
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: know a lot of these Japanese cars strangely started to

1397
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: resemble American cars. And like you see when you're driving

1398
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 1: around in China. You know, we have Ford Motor Company

1399
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: over there, and some of the Chinese cars strangely like

1400
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: these Fords. They don't look like the Japanese. They look

1401
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: like what America has everything. You know, this I P

1402
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 1: theft is real. Uh, They're just taking it and they're

1403
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: going to continue to steal it and develop it. And

1404
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 1: just like the Japanese we're doing after World War Two,

1405
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: they're going to perfect it and they're gonna, you know,

1406
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,480
Speaker 1: take it to the next level. Fred, this is a

1407
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: a massive conversation. As as you know, I kind of

1408
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: tried to open this this with is that you know,

1409
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 1: this is the question of our century, Um, And I

1410
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,759
Speaker 1: really thank you for coming on the show and um

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01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: talking about this today. And I feel like this is

1412
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: a beginning of the conversation. This kind of like sets

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01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: the basis, I think for the listener to go and

1414
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: do some more research on their own. UM, but I

1415
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 1: wanted to give you the opportunity to, you know, um

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01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: finished with any concluding thoughts or anything else you think

1417
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 1: it's important to mention. UM. Yeah, real quick, plug. Two

1418
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: things is as as we have been talking, and your

1419
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 1: listeners really should key in on. You know, there's a

1420
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: this b r I this these silk roots that there.

1421
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: It started off to two fold maritime and land, but

1422
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 1: then they're looking at this polar silk root. That's that's

1423
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: something that's gonna cut us off in that area. And

1424
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: your your listeners really do need to understand, you know,

1425
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: America and the whole Western way of life, it does

1426
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: revolve if we get drawn into something, whether it's an

1427
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: actor like North Korea provoking us or the Chinese. They

1428
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 1: don't have the capability right now to do this amphibious assault,

1429
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: but I believe Taiwan and our treaty with them to

1430
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 1: defend them and what the Chinese want to do because

1431
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: of their you know, homogene is tied to Taiwan. This

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01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: this is gonna be something that America is going to

1433
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time, blood and if you look

1434
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 1: at what we've done in the last eighteen years, you know,

1435
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: the struggles we've had, fighting guys wearing bed sheets. This

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01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: is this is the real deal China is. That's varsity

1437
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 1: team here, and you know we have to just like

1438
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 1: if you get hit with an I D. You have

1439
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: to do that self assessment, like, hey, I'm my good

1440
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 1: is my junk still here in my own peace? We

1441
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: need to do this with China is like, hey, let's

1442
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 1: be honest, we need an assessment. Are we capable not

1443
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 1: a fighting? We can't drain our economy and that's what

1444
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 1: Chinese are really doing by you know, putting buying a

1445
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:44,679
Speaker 1: little asset in Africa, buying this down in Australia doing

1446
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: all They're bleeding us like we bled Russia dry and

1447
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: led to their collapse. The Chinese can we sustain this?

1448
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 1: So we really do, Like you said, this is the

1449
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: fight of the century. You know, this is you know, uh,

1450
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: like a big, massive UFC fight that you know, we

1451
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 1: got to get ourselves in shape for. So it's time

1452
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: to hit training camp. And some ways sounds uh, I

1453
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: hate to make this comparison, but I mean we have

1454
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: faced some some aspects of this before when the USSR

1455
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 1: wedge the so called you know, Third World War, where

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01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: they realized they weren't going to take us on directly,

1457
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: but what they could do was flip every country, you know,

1458
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: smaller third World countries communist and they'd be able to

1459
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 1: essentially box us in. Yes, and that's that's what China's doing.

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01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: There's just death by a thousand cuts all around the globe.

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01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: And now we have to think, you know, globally, and

1462
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: we are going to be off set. And the scariest thing,

1463
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: in my opinion is if they hit so many of

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01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 1: these countries that affect the global GDP of you here

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01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 1: on Earth and they switch from you know, the U

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01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 1: S standard of currency is a base too, you know,

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01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: the Chinese and worm you know, going to be second place.

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01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a big shift in countries. I think

1469
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: we'll start to around the globe, we'll start to align

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01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: and seeing that China is the big dog, they're the

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Speaker 1: ones that control the fight in the future, and we'll

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Speaker 1: probably go more into tough till totalitarian state and control. Awesome, Fred,

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01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on and talking to

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01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,879
Speaker 1: us about this today. Yeah, thanks, guys, I really appreciate

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01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: and h have a great weekend Pact show today. There's

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01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: still a few things I want to get to, but

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Speaker 1: before we do, be sure to check out Create Club.

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Speaker 1: wanted to get into a few other quick things. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I know. One thing you wanted to mention is an

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Speaker 1: update with General McMasters. Oh Man. I was just bringing

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Speaker 1: it up because I saw an article about a speech

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01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: McMaster had given and I was just like, is this

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01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 1: dude on drugs? He was talking about how we were

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01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 1: you know, we have this narrative that the public is

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Speaker 1: war weary, and it's just the featist mentality regarding the

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Speaker 1: war in Afghanistan. It's like, dude, what are you talking about? Like,

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Speaker 1: so your big plan is to just deploy troops they're

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01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 1: into infinity, Like that's not a strategy, bro, Like I

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01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:21,759
Speaker 1: swear to god. I was like, I was like, this

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01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 1: is this guy in a battle haze? Do we need

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Speaker 1: to have him like take a knee, face out and

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01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,640
Speaker 1: drink water? Like what is wrong with this dude? I

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01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,759
Speaker 1: mean I think I think it was a Military Times article.

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01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 1: You can go and read it for yourself. I was

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Speaker 1: just like, it made my head hurt. What is wrong

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01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,759
Speaker 1: with this dude? Yeah, So give that a look. Um.

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01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention a kind of in some lighter

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01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,799
Speaker 1: news that there's a new Ghost Recon game out today,

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01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 1: and I remember we had one of the guys from

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01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 1: the Ghost Recon game on a while back, and I

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01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 1: just figured I bring it up because it appeals to

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01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 1: this audience. A out of this audience are gamers, and

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01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 1: they love which game is it? It's a new Ghost

1543
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: reconcause I might I might have consulted on that game.

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01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 1: Actually really yeah, I did, like some like low level

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01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 1: I guess you could say consulting. It wasn't like I

1546
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: was there tech advisor or anything. But um, they they

1547
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 1: talked to me, interviewed me about special operations, asked me

1548
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: some like um, that's awesome, I guess like pot type

1549
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: questions like with this interest to you, what do you

1550
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: think of this? And then they showed me some concept

1551
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: art and I gave them some feedback on that, and

1552
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: that's all right, yeah, because I know people have been

1553
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 1: a fan of that series in general, and I saw

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01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,600
Speaker 1: that there's a new game out today and when we

1555
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: had that guy on, a lot of people are excited

1556
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 1: about this game. So uh, like I said, a lot

1557
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 1: of people in this audience love war video games as

1558
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 1: much as they get criticized in the media and say that,

1559
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna become a psychopath, uh, you know,

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01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 1: serial killer if you play war games. Uh and that's

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01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: I guess that's really it for now, UM, because we

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01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 1: covered a lot here. Next show, however, I know you're

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01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:56,679
Speaker 1: going to be in Europe. Yeah, I'm gonna be gone

1564
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 1: for a few days. UM. But my my old Eric Burlson,

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01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna be on the podcast. He'll be in studio,

1566
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 1: retired green beret. UM. Me and uh Me and Eric

1567
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:11,639
Speaker 1: were in the same company in fifth Group. UM and

1568
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 1: we were never on the same O D A, but

1569
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 1: we were on the O D B. We're on the

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01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 1: B team together for a little while. The only O

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01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 1: dB I think of is the member of LU Thank

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01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:26,560
Speaker 1: old dirty Bastard Baby. I like it little. Uh. You

1573
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 1: know that the B team is like the support element

1574
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 1: for the company. UM And I was there the last

1575
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 1: couple of months before I got out of the Army

1576
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 1: doing Uh. I was. I was the a ops guy,

1577
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,680
Speaker 1: which is it just means I maintained a series of

1578
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: three ring binders about parachute jumps. It wasn't that exciting.

1579
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: But that's where I know Burlson from. And I'm sorry

1580
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 1: I won't be here for that interview. I'm gonna try

1581
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 1: to meet with him the day after. UM. Really good guy.

1582
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him in years. Yeah, i'll meet him.

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01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:52,680
Speaker 1: I'll let you know that you're too cool and you're

1584
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 1: in Europe now, I mean, you've got things to do,

1585
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 1: so um, I look forward to meeting him. But also

1586
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 1: I did texture the sporning and the only reason I

1587
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,719
Speaker 1: moved it to Tuesday was because you know, Matt already

1588
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 1: confirmed he was coming on. But Vicky Behanna will be on,

1589
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: as I mentioned to discuss President Trump partning Michael, uh,

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01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 1: possibly Vicky with Michael Behanna, but I know Vicky will

1591
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 1: be on, so you know, it'd be great to talk about.

1592
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: I thought it was great news. I'm very excited for Michael.

1593
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,759
Speaker 1: It was the story I followed for a long time. Uh,

1594
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 1: that's it for for now. As you guys know, I'm

1595
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 1: on my last run of shows here. We have someone

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01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 1: else coming into engineer the show on Tuesday, but you

1597
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna continue here until uh my run at

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01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:37,679
Speaker 1: the second last week this month. And how's the male

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that they've moved to something else though. But

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01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:49,639
Speaker 1: I did actually want to mention. You know, I brought

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01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 1: it up last episode that I am doing a lot

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01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 1: of voice over. Now I've always been doing voiceover, but

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01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 1: I'm kind of stepping up my game here. Uh. And

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01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: for those that that are you know, are just kind

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01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 1: of just getting started on doing ads. I've been doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff where I'm doing all of the imaging.

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Speaker 1: So let's say you want to run like a fifteen

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Speaker 1: for radio for a podcast, I will gladly do that

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Speaker 1: for you. I don't do video editing, however, if you

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Speaker 1: have a video ready to go and you need me

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01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 1: to sync up the audio to the video. Um, in

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Speaker 1: terms of like narrating what's on the actual screen, I

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Speaker 1: did one of those for someone recently. Um, it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit tougher to do to get the audio exactly

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Speaker 1: on points. That's a little bit more pricey, but I've

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Speaker 1: been very reasonable with my prices. So if you need

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Speaker 1: a voice over done, I will gladly do it, and

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Speaker 1: I will give out my email address strictly for that.

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Speaker 1: Don't email me for other stuff. Rates are very reasonable.

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Speaker 1: But it's uh, Ian Scotto Radio at gmail dot com

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Speaker 1: for serious inquiries because I know that you know people

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01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: are gonna email me about the show. This is my

1628
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: personal email, So if it's about the show, I'm honestly

1629
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 1: gonna deleted. I'm not uh answering that type of stuff

1630
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 1: for that email. That's all soft rep dot radio at

1631
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 1: soft rep dot com. But if you own a business,

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Speaker 1: you want me to do voice over for you and

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01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 1: and give you a rate, uh with what you're looking at.

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Speaker 1: Ian's got a radio at gmail dot com. That's it

1635
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, that's it. Um, Murphy's Law still out there.

1636
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 1: My own my own book is still out there. Um,

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Speaker 1: go and pick it up. By my book. It's a

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Speaker 1: great book. Uh. Well, thank you Matt, thank you Fred.

1639
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,599
Speaker 1: And uh that's a hell of a good show. Yep.

1640
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 1: And a lot of great guests on the horizon, as

1641
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 1: you see from these books stacked up in front of you. Um. Yeah, man,

1642
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 1: we have some people coming on. I'm I'm excited. They're

1643
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:50,760
Speaker 1: gonna be really good interviews. Yeah. Um, that guy right there,

1644
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 1: David Richardson, he'll be in studio next week. He's a

1645
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 1: former marine now working as an artist. That's some of

1646
01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 1: his art on the front cover, um and goes into

1647
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 1: his story. So I'm excited for that one, very cool,

1648
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 1: excited for all these shows before I get ready to

1649
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 1: get out of here. But you know, I just said

1650
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 1: your new engineer coming in, so I assume you will

1651
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: be continuing, uh and I leave. Yeah, it's gonna be

1652
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 1: like a one man man that weeks for a little while. Yeah,

1653
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 1: all right, well stay subscribed and and we'll see what

1654
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:25,879
Speaker 1: we have on the horizon. Thanks guys, you've been listening

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Speaker 1: to self red Radio. New episodes up every Wednesday and Friday.

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