WEBVTT - Draft Show: Will It Come Down To Zeke vs. Ramsey? 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:14.400 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. Cowboys 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:18.640 on your war Room for insider news and draft analysis 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.240 from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at Pally Rant. 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:26.079 The Dallas Cowboys Selection by Rand Joe and now your 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:31.680 hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:37.680 it's finally here draft week and uh, we're gonna get 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:41.479 you ready for Brian brought us along with Dame Brugler 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.920 from CBS Sports and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. David Hellman 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.760 from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Hey Brian, nice to have 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:55.200 you back, Dave. Thanks Kent Garrison executive producing the show today. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:01:01.960 As always, Hello guys. We appreciate everybody being Outdore. Oh 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.680 what was that all about, Kim. It's draft week. But 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.920 it's a little audio loop that was awesome. It's it's 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.280 special effects. I want my whole life to sound welling 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.520 out all the stops for this year's draft. Yeah, well, 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:15.640 just kind of keep it in check until we actually 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:19.360 get drafted. Brian doesn't appreciate that, Frilly, I don't. Yeah, 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.760 I always appreciate your technical value, but in this case, 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:27.080 just keep it straightforward. Let's keep it simple. All having 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:31.800 a good day, just talk some draft uh uh my 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:35.200 meeter for any kind of extra creec. It's not not 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.920 very good right now. You're kind of on edge. I'm 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.440 on edge because this is a very important time to 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.440 h a lot of teams around the National Football League, 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.040 a lot of personnel guys. You know, it's our livelihood. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.280 So get a little upset about things that kind of 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.000 don't go the way they're supposed to go. But anyway, 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:57.800 today Ken, not today, Kim uh again, Um, we are 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:01.000 the draft show. I want to get into what we're 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.920 starting to hear now, and especially that Dallas Cowboys took 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:11.320 the opportunity yesterday to have their meeting with the media. 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:14.360 U usually these meetings with the media, you don't get 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.680 very much out of it, and I felt like that 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.760 we did get a lot out of this yesterday. I 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.040 agree they wanted us to think we got a lot. 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.119 I think I think that Jerry Jones has a hard 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.400 time lyne agree. Yeah, I really do. And I think 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:33.000 that he know when he was talking about the first 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.160 thing into you know, he's inclined to hang in there 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:39.720 at four and make a pick. I believe him. I 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:41.880 believe he's gonna stand. I think they've got two players, 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:44.799 and you know, this draft to me for them is 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.000 going to come down to two players to start the day. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.280 And that's the beauty of with the Cowboys pick and 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.560 with the trades that happened their draft for it all 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:53.880 in his two names, that's right if that if one 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:56.160 of that, their top player goes three, their second player 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.000 goes four. And I think that's uh, maybe that's part 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.239 of why I'm Dane's right. You can't one hundred percent 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.480 trust anything that comes out of anybody's mouth right now, 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:07.400 but anybody but these guys. But it just it was 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.200 a more straightforward pressor than we're used to. And I 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:12.480 think that's because they're picking fourth. You know, they don't 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.640 have to sit here and say, well, we hope this happens, 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.200 but you never know how this is gonna play out. 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:21.440 Some stuff could go crazy. They're they're picking forth and 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.840 they know who the two first two picks are, so 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.160 they're gonna they're gonna get what they want. One where 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:28.359 I don't think this any secret. They're holding on Ramsey 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:31.720 and they're holding on Elliott. That's certainly the impression that 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:33.800 I got. I don't I don't get. I don't see 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.600 they had every chance. It kind of reminded me of 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.000 a boyfriend, like your girlfriend says she loves you, and 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:43.800 you're like, yeah, yeah, they had every opportunity to say 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.800 some really glowing stuff about Joey Bosa, and they really 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:49.480 more about Joey Bosa or more about just the other 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:53.120 guys that they That's what I got. I maybe so 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.800 I feel like, specifically Steven there was a moment where 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:01.320 he just had some very non committal it sounded thoughts 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.440 or attitudes about you know, maybe not you know, obviously 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.120 not Joey Bosa specifically, but but the pass rush and 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:08.800 certain positions that are there at the top of the 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.440 draft where if you're sitting there and you're able to 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.040 read between the lines, you're like, well, okay, um, it 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.920 certainly sounds like a two horse race for that pick. 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.120 That's the impression that I got. Agree, And I think 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:27.119 listening to Jerry's talk about how a running back paying 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.000 him all that money at the fourth overall pick, how 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.440 that was different than paying to Marco Murray, like he 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.880 went out of his way to kind of touch on that. Yeah, 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.800 and he can't hide his love for Zeke. Yeah, and 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.520 so how will that factor into the war room. Is 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:41.800 Jayala Ramsey the clear cut top guy if he's there, 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:46.200 or will more voices become louder for Zeke? Even if 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.839 I think the Forrest Buckner goes three, okay through the 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.440 Chargers and in that scenario both Ramsey and Zeke will 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.279 be on the board at four. Is Ramsey the Is 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.159 he the clear cut number one? Or could there be 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.640 some intrigue about which way they go? Maybe the more 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.480 explo as a player on offense who probably helps them 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.160 win more games at least right away, right or a 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.120 Ramsey that is a playmaker in the secondary that they need, 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.560 especially you know, look towards next year, in the year 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.720 after that. And that's you. You said something similar this 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:15.560 morning when I got to work, which is you know, 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.640 like a welcome back kind of a thing. Yeah, kind 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.760 of like wells you kind of a thing, welcome back, idiot. 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:22.440 Ramsey and Elliott are both going to be there at 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.760 for Mas, basically the gist of it um. And if 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.800 that's the case, we know how I feel about Zeke, 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.680 but I don't know that I could. I feel like 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:33.960 Ramsey almost has to be the pick in that scenario, 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.840 not just man and maybe not like you know, Dan 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:38.840 just laid it out for you perfectly. Maybe not for 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.760 what he brings in twenty sixteen, but he gives you 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.360 a lot of stability in that secondary over the next 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.760 five years if he's your guy. No, whether it's as 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:49.760 a cornerback or a safety or what or all of 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.200 the above, I don't care. Yeah, and we've kind of 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:56.000 talked about, you know, the running back him, and I'm 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.440 not gonna be shy about this, Dane. You've been very 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:02.680 adamant about not selecting or running back though at four. Well, no, honestly, 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.240 I more the case that I don't think this team 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.880 would me personally, Zeke is five on my board. He's 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.520 a top five player, so I would consider him absolutely right. 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.200 I just my thinking all along as this team would 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:18.000 not do it, considering all they've invested in the offensive line, 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.120 in the fact that Darren McFadden you know, got well 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.680 eleven hundred yards last year. You know, they signed Alfred Morris, 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.200 I feel like this team would not draft a running 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.760 back that high. But special players are special players, and 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.400 if when you're drafting at the fourth overall pick, you 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.320 want to get one of the best players in this draft, 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.640 and Zeke in my opinion, absolutely, I think we all 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.599 agree it can be a special player, can you maybe? 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.400 And I mean Johnny Manziel's in legal trouble, so I 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.440 feel odd bringing that up and trying to type parallels here, 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.280 but it kind of reminds me of that Manziel Martin 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:53.520 debate in terms of what they were going to take Chazer, Well, 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.479 he was gone though, but no. But I'm saying the 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.040 card was going in Chaizer, sure, and then all of 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:02.080 a sudden it became now to make a call. It's 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.200 not a clean parallel, but I'm sitting here. You know, 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.040 Ramsey's He's not gonna sell as many jerseys as Elliott. 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.400 He's not going to help you win as much this year. 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:14.400 Elliott could potentially be a special difference making player. I 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.720 don't think there's as much potential for bust with Elliott 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.480 as there was with Johnny Manziel. But it just kind 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.920 of reminds me of if it really is between these 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.520 two players. I think which way they go says a 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.280 lot about what their hopes are. I think Ramsey's probably 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:32.000 the better pick for the long term future of the franchise. Well, 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.640 that's probably not fair either. But I'm just thinking, if 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.000 you're trying to accomplish things and win things with Romo 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.520 in this two to three year window before he's gone, 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.480 Elliot's your guy. If you're worried about the long term, 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.440 you know, stability and production of your defense. Ramsey's probably 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:48.920 the guy. So I think which one they would pick 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.400 says a lot about how they're thinking about. Let's get 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.880 into Jason Garrett. We have a clip Jason Garrett talking 0:07:53.920 --> 0:08:00.960 about Jalen Ramsey. Ji. Can you all talk a little 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.160 bit about Ramaty and just your evaluation of him with 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.680 his position flexibility, whether you see four outside with him 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.280 as a corner or a safety, just how you view him. 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.920 He's a great football player. He's an impact player at 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.840 the highest level. He's been a guy who's played both 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:20.080 safety and corner. Seems to me he plays him equally well. 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.720 He shows up on the tape, he leaps off the tape. 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.320 I've got a chance to get to know him, spent 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:28.600 some time with him in Indianapolis, spent some time with 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:32.400 him here at Valley Ranch, went down and worked him 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:36.520 out at Florida State. Highly endorsed by everybody at Florida State. 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:38.959 He's a great football player. There's no question about that. 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:44.040 You can generate a ton of turnovers himself. As last 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.560 year at Florida State, you all obviously had a big 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.640 problem with that last year. Is that factor in at 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:51.599 all as you evaluate for you know, bottom line is 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.400 he didn't have any interceptions or whatever the case. Well, 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.320 the ball matters and you want guys to make plays 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:02.680 on the ball. Sometimes when you play corner, teams have 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.240 a tendency to throw the ball away from you if 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.400 you're a really good player. Deon Sanders ran into that 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.960 a lot throughout his career. They didn't go at him 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.600 very much, and typically Dion made those guys pay when 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.920 they did go at him. And uh, you know so 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.400 the number of times the defenses, excuse me, opposing offenses 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:24.120 went at Jalen Ramsey is probably less than most corners. 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.280 He's an impact player. He shows up for them as 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.120 a cover guy. He covers in man to man, he 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.560 covers in his own, he can rush h He's just 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.840 one of those guys that jumps off the tape at 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:39.000 you and positively impacts, you know what. They're trying to 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.679 get accomplished on defense and throughout their football team. So 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.160 he's a very talented guy and a really good football player. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.320 There you have it. I mean, he's he's looked about 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.240 as close to glowing as Jess and Garrett gets. But 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.000 he was talking about it and the question was asked 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.640 about the ball skills. A lot of people have that 0:09:56.800 --> 0:10:03.240 question mark about him and he their evaluation was they 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.439 don't go at it. Yeah, he's one of these guys 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.200 that people don't throw the football at. You'd probably be 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.800 and obviously there's gonna be exceptions. You'd probably be hard 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.120 pressed to find, like a stud corner in college who's 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.959 gonna have crazy pick numbers, because that's what college teams do. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:19.679 They avoid those guys. McKenzie Alexander zero sack or zero 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.920 interceptions in his career at Clemson, same type of deal. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.120 And that's why, you know, this is my point when 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.520 we talk about Bosa and having only five sacks, you 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.760 got to look past those numbers because they don't They're 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.880 not indicative of the tape and the player. You know, 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.520 just like zero interceptions for Ramsey this year does not 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:37.640 tell the story of Ramsey, just like five sacks does 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.120 not tell the story of Bosa. The box scores can 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.160 get you out of loopy. I gotta trust the tape. 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.960 And what kind of stood out for me was Coach 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:50.200 Garrett saying that he's equally talented at both safety and corner. 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.679 I think he's trying to once again ride defense and 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.520 say we all feel like that he's a better safety 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.200 that he is a corner. They're not even willing to 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.480 peg Byron Jones and safety yet, so I'm sure they 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.120 don't want to pack a guy that they haven't even 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.640 drafted at one position. So, but they're gonna start him 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.920 at corner. Yeah, right, And so that that's to me, 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.640 that's you know, there's they're trying to see. Am I 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.920 crazy if I don't think that makes sense? Because honestly, 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.040 all right, I mean, well crazy is not just going 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.040 to put him in safety. Well, I I like him 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:24.800 better at safety from having watched his tape, But you 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.600 just look at the makeup of this depth chart. I 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.559 think there's a far better chance that he can be 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.920 better than Bury Church or J. J. Wilcoxon. There's a 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.040 chance that he's gonna be a sea that might happen 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.480 a significant improvement over Brandon carror Mo Claiborn I'm I'm 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.360 seating a starting spot the Scandrick. Is he really gonna 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.959 beat out car Clayborne? Who are you know, four year 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.640 veterans in this league and not great, don't tweet at me, 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.960 but capable. I think I think they're gonna I think 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:52.800 they're gonna play I think they're gonna play him the 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:54.760 same way they did Byron Jones. I think you're right, 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.080 I think, and the fact that the fact that Scandrick 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:03.560 will will probably be protected throughout Ota Mini camps into 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.800 training camp does open up a spot, because yeah, I 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.520 don't expect him to do anything till August. We probably 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.520 feel like that that Orlando Scandrick is going to be 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.280 the starter at left corner. And what they're gonna do is, listen, 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:16.720 we're gonna we're gonna let you rehab at your pace, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:18.800 and they're gonna throw that rookie in there and let 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.119 him go. I just can't believe that it's a foregone 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:24.480 and it's not. I know it's not, but it's crazy 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.400 to think that it might be a foregone conclusion that'll 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.000 even be there. I mean, we've had we've been thinking 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.040 he could wind up on the Chargers for four months 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.160 now and the thought that's suddenly there. We didn't think 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.959 the Tunsa was gonna be there and then and Buttner 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.360 has not been a late rise to the Chargers. I mean, 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.280 he's been winning in the last three weeks. It's been 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.720 more of a talk about him. But there's no way 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.800 in hell that you thought Tunsa was gonna be there. No, no, no, 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.480 not before the trade. One of the quarterbacks was gonna go. 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.440 The second quarterback wasn't gonna go. That we didn't know 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.880 until about two weeks ago, right, Yeah. So, I mean 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.720 that's that's why this draft has changed. It's wonky man. 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.719 And if you're drafting Ramsey, though, can you draft him 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.800 without feeling great with him as a corner? I mean, 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:09.720 can you draft him at that high when you don't 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:11.520 feel great about him as a corner? You feel great 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.720 about him as up saying we don't feel great about 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:17.080 him as a quorn because we in that room, Yeah, 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:18.760 they you know, you think, do you think they feel 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.000 great about him as a corner? I think they do great, 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.920 not just good. I think they do feel great. I 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.440 think they feel a lot better at corner. Didn't didn't 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.480 we do? I agree there, I just I don't know. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.720 It's hard to be sold on him as a true corner, 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.000 and maybe they are, and I think Jason Garrett touched 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.480 on that workout. I think that, yeah, seeing him in person, 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.600 that athleticism at that size, the ball skills, I think 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.280 that probably sold him. But just on the tape, it's 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.920 hard to fall in love with him as strictly a corner. 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:55.839 I agree with him as a player, as a defensive back, 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.640 as a playmaker, but strictly as a corner, I find 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.640 it hard to love him. It reminds me a lot 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.080 of Byron Jones, which I mean, maybe they do view 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.640 him as like Richard Sherman or Patrick Peterson lockdown in 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.280 one half of the field, true corner, But at the 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.199 end of the day, I just think they have to 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.800 feel amazing that he's going to bring athleticism and playmaking 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.600 skills to a variety of different spots. I'm one hundred 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.800 percent with you. I think he's a dime nickel rover 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:23.320 type of guy like Byron was right, and then they'll 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.200 figure it out later. And I think that they're just 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.840 confident that he can do what it is they need 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.320 him to do, regardless of where where that future is 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.200 one of the scouts around the league that I really 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.960 really trust. And I'm not named any names, but my 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:39.000 personal favorite of scouts sent me some information and I'm 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:46.280 talking about Cowboys needs defensive end, quarterback, defensive tackle, corner, 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:55.800 wide receiver, running back, tight end's order, defensive end, quarterback, 0:14:56.360 --> 0:15:01.320 defensive tackle, and now cornerback. I said, back at number two, 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:07.840 corner back at number four, with running back being number seven. 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.600 How do how does that? How does that? You know? 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:16.040 That's how another team looks at the Cowboys. Yeah, another team, 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.680 another another team in this league. But now we're here, 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:22.680 we are talking about potentially taking a cornerback and then 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:26.160 taking a running back. I think when you're talking about 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.360 when you're picking top ten, it's not about need, it's 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:31.840 about talent. It's about talent, and you gotta get your 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.680 top talent on the You're right, these guys have done 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:36.720 all the work for how many months, and they I 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.400 think they've come up with two players at the top 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.240 that are the most talented. Yea Ramsey and Zeke that 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.600 fit not only this roster, but the culture fit what 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.160 they want and a player. And so I think both 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:52.160 fit and again the needs could both fit on this 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.400 team absolutely are the biggest or either the biggest need 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:58.200 right now. No, Stephen Jones said that then to your dang, 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.000 he said, the question was asked about need or best 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.920 player at four, and he said, I think it's the 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:05.480 best player. At the end of the day. You get 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.440 a chance when you're picking this high to get a 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:11.840 player who makes a difference for a long period of time. Yeah, 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.000 obviously they're not looking at their needs with this fourth pick. 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.560 I think talent on the roster. Yeah, and see that's 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.680 what that's what we've tried to think with the with 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.440 the draft show. You know, we've tried to talk about 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.520 taking the best available player. Don't take because don't take 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.720 Joey Bosa because you have a needed defensive end. Even 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:33.480 though even though another highly respected team in my mind, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:37.840 thinks that Cowboys need a defensive end at one, don't 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.520 at some point, don't you think that that's some hot 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.960 air though? And I think it was it was Garrett 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:45.880 who said yesterday in the press conference too, He's like, 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.000 you know, sometimes or maybe it was Steven he said, 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:52.520 sometimes need creeps in Garrett, if guys are close, you know, 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.480 you're probably gonna go with the guy that you need. 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.280 And I think the fact that they're they really don't 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.520 even seem like bossas in play, I think says to 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.760 me how they feel about his talent level. Because honestly, 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:04.960 if it was close, I think you would have to 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:06.679 go at the end. And that's why at the end 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.040 of the day, I think you need to go or 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.160 should go with Ramsey because he is the bigger need 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.880 long term, and you know, you can't judge a draft 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.480 accurately until three or four years down the line, anyway, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.399 do you think do you think that the fact is 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.439 they see Joey Bosa as a left defensive end only 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:24.760 has something to do, And the fact that they've got 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:29.360 they've got the Marcus Lawrence left defensive end, they don't 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.959 want to move him. I don't know. Maybe that's how 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.520 they see him. To me, Marcus Lawrence is better on 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:36.560 the right side anyways, in my opinion, Yeah, I think 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.600 Bosa can play on either side anyway. I think I 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:42.000 think that's some revisionist history anyway, because the narrative when 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.080 they traded up to get to Marcus Lawrence was that 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.440 he was the last guy who could play right end. Yeah, 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.760 the last guy in the draft that they thought could 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.040 really make an impact it right end. So to say 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.280 he's a left end he can't move, now, that just 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.400 sounds like crap to me. Put on your draft room 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.240 hats in there and tell me why that Joey Bosa 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:03.359 is not in one of the top three the talked 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.320 about here is one of the top three guys or 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.200 top or the top two guys. Well, and I was 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.640 about to say, maybe if the Cowboys are picking five, 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:11.959 maybe he is in the conversation, you know, if we're 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.720 talking about the top three guys. But right now we're 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.400 only talking about two guys, because that's all that matters, 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.480 right quarterbacks going one two, All that matters the top 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.200 two guys. And it seems like Randy, they're picking that Jacksonville. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.840 Maybe Bossa isn't that conversation. You know, maybe he is 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.600 that next guy. You know, it's it's hard to know 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.640 what their board looks like. You know, we're just kind 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.040 of it's guests work here for us. But I think, 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.360 you know, Bosa could be in that conversation if we are, 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.080 if Cowboys are picking up five or six. I think 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.480 the thing that holds Bosa's back is probably I mean, 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.560 he's a talented guy. Yeah, doing my best to try 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.120 to defend him, because I think the overreaction against him 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.040 has been out of control for a while now. But 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.200 I think when you're talking about a guy at four, 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:51.560 and that's a lot of people's argument is you want 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.879 the TWI you want well not just special, but you 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:55.920 want the upside too. I mean, the thing that made 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:59.000 Randy Gregory so intriguing is like, well, it's a risk, 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.919 but he could turn into the DeMarcus ware type freak. 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.480 And I have yet to find anybody who really thinks 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:07.320 that Joey Bosa has that type of upside. There's a 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.160 lot of people that think he's a great player, could 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.040 be productive eddy for a long time. Sure, I've yet 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.520 to hear somebody who really thinks he's gonna blossom into 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.880 this monster and that is what you want when you're 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:19.960 talking about fourth overall, And I think that's probably I 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:21.800 don't think that's too good opinion right there. Okay, we're 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:23.159 gonna hear a first break when we come back. 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