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Speaker 2: is we went to Pinkberry seven days a week, oh

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Speaker 3: The tip jar for the poor.

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Speaker 2: Would I'd be like, could you please just charge me

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Speaker 3: It's so weird. Because he never said anything, never said

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Speaker 3: And then after about six months of going.

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Speaker 3: Allowed to charge you.

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Speaker 1: Josh.

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Speaker 3: Josh would be mad if I charged you, and.

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Speaker 4: So why is he giving you free do you still

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Speaker 2: Captain Crunch on it all the time, totally chewed up

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Speaker 6: Guys been a she's obviously doing something wrong. And Captain

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Speaker 6: and said it because Admiral Crunch makes no sense. Oh so

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Speaker 6: I was like, okay, this is why people do social

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Speaker 6: But still he's I want to know what's going you know,

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Speaker 3: I know, No, you're right, that's been a long time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been.

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Speaker 1: He's getting away free pink Bury to customer.

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Speaker 4: That could be it. It could be he could be

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Speaker 6: I always get but to then bring in his coworker

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, the coworker definitely knew who she was, So

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Speaker 6: So it's not that he had a crush on you.

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Speaker 4: Amelia Earhart, Sean Benay, Josh.

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Speaker 3: Berry, Joshah, Pinkberry. Yeah, those are the things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, is Pinkberry still a thing?

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Speaker 3: He's like, and I go, oh god, oh wait, he

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Speaker 6: The first time I ever learned that. The way my

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Speaker 6: Immediately I'm like, we walked an hour for the two

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Speaker 4: You don't even have to finish it. They split a

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Speaker 4: small cup, nothing on top, nothing of fat free frozen yogurt.

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Speaker 3: Rill needed to spend more time with those children.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, just try walking the streets of Amsterdam

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Speaker 4: What's that smell? Nothing? Nothing, don't look over there. Oh.

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Speaker 6: It was amazing because you'll walk by like a coca

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Speaker 4: I was so Depresedub'll share one.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, who are what did

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Speaker 6: The double triple Sunday fudge? Whatever the hell it was

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Pod Meets World.

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Speaker 4: I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm Rider Strong and I'm wilfred Ell.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Rider Strong is not with us because he has

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Speaker 2: finicky internet.

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Speaker 4: No internet today, no internet.

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Speaker 2: Things were looking good, and then he disappeared and he

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Speaker 2: Well, Las Vegas Week continues, and today we have a

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Speaker 2: banger as we prep for season seven. It marks Boy

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Speaker 2: this week's very special guest. It was when I first

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Speaker 4: The good old day, good old times.

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Speaker 2: She was just about to release Autobiography, her debut album

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Speaker 2: the Venetians Voltaire Theater. It's a return to music for

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Speaker 7: He's out there with his dad right now, like just Pat,

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Speaker 3: Mall my mall too, guys.

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Speaker 4: Are we neighbors? Are we all neighbors? That's a.

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Speaker 7: Flying place for the hoo. And you know what is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, girl meets world. Of course that's like in her

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's what we grew up doing, the mall. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: It's like, there's so many opportunities. Go to movies, you

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Speaker 2: You're at the Venetian revisiting your music career, but instead

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling about it all.

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Speaker 7: I'm feeling so good. I'm really excited about the show.

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Speaker 7: I mean, honestly, just being in that room. And I

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Speaker 7: how is this like happening? I'm like Pat Benatar to you?

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Speaker 8: You know what I mean, Like there was like a

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Speaker 7: And you know, I'm like the older tear.

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Speaker 2: How did it come together? Who approached you? Did you

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Speaker 7: My husband and I were like, oh God, Like you know,

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Speaker 7: I wanted to keep going. So this just felt like

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting because when we started this podcast we

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Speaker 6: And you're kind of reliving certain things, not all of

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, Yeah, and every you I get to

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Speaker 2: Yes, when the year they brought back Say What Karaoke,

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Speaker 7: And three, it was yeah, because I didn't come out

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Speaker 7: I was on seventh time in.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, it's one of my most favorite memories of my

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Speaker 3: We just don't anyone else seeing.

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Speaker 7: Me at them all the other day, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, we just there. We had such a great time.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what anyone else was doing, but the

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Speaker 3: We didn't have any pillow fights.

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Speaker 2: But otherwise, you know, why didn't we Why didn't we

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Speaker 7: That was like the place they would put us.

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Speaker 3: That's where they put us up.

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Speaker 3: Too, No, we never got to New York.

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Speaker 2: Well, you immediately sold out all of your first dates

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Speaker 3: Did you see that coming or was it a surprise

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Speaker 7: It was a surprise to me. I mean I didn't

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Speaker 7: And what people don't do in their music anymore are bridges.

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, girl, yeah, proud of you.

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Speaker 7: Like, well, it's so hard because you don't pat yourself

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Speaker 2: Isn't it nice too to be able to look back

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Speaker 7: He's like, God, that was so much fun, and like

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Speaker 4: Mom, Yeah, your mom.

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Speaker 3: Exactly right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have established that everyone is ready for Ashley

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Speaker 2: it is a common trivia question. But I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: how did that come about? Growing up in Texas? How

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Speaker 7: You know, my mom like always my mom's like my

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Speaker 3: I know your mom, yes, but.

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Speaker 7: She always kind of supported our dreams. And Jessica and

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Speaker 7: where you're at. And for me, ballet was just something

444
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 7: like I started at such a young age and I

445
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 7: took it so seriously. Like by the time I was

446
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 7: in third grade, I was on point. So I was

447
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 7: like dancing with seventeen year olds by the time I was,

448
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 7: you know, very young to Prince Lord.

449
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

450
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 7: Here. But you know, for me, I think that the

451
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 7: one great experience about that. So then I would go downtown.

452
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 7: I lived in Dallas, and I'd go downtown. I'd auditioned

453
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 7: for all the ballet schools, so like then I was

454
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 7: like accepted, you know, full scholarships. So like you're all

455
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 7: baby two U Sab you know those things. And then

456
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 7: I always loved Sab in New York City ballet, so

457
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 7: I went there. But yeah, I mean it's like one

458
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,199
Speaker 7: of those things that's still like engraved in my body.

459
00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

460
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: Well you mentioned your sister Jessica, who then became a

461
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 2: global pop star and a reality TV pop culture phenomenon.

462
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 2: How did the takeoff of her career start the trajectory

463
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 2: of your career. You started as a backup dancer for her, right, yeah, okay,

464
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: so how did that start shaping your future? And when

465
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 2: did the record deal discussion start?

466
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 7: Okay? So I did as I would do this summer

467
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 7: as I was offered the year to go there, and

468
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 7: then my family, my sister got signed to Columbia that

469
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,959
Speaker 7: the second year I went to sav it was a

470
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 7: summer I went actually, and they were like, oh, you

471
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 7: can go a year and got signed in. My family

472
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 7: was like, we're going to move to LA and it

473
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 7: was actually funny enough, but that year I was like, oh,

474
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 7: you know, like I love ballet, but I'm not gonna

475
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 7: be Avallerina, you know. So they were like, you could go,

476
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 7: you can stay, you can go to New York and

477
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 7: do school there at Julliard, go to or you can

478
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 7: come with us to LA. And I was like, oh,

479
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 7: I'm going to go to LA. I'm going to go

480
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 7: to acting and I'm going to like you know, because

481
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 7: I also like dreamed of like theater and acting and

482
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 7: just like a different world of stage other than one thing.

483
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 7: So I went with my family, and they were like,

484
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 7: you can dance back up for your sister. And I

485
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 7: was her background dancer. Now, mind you, I'm not a

486
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 7: hip hop dancer. So I'm working with all these great

487
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 7: dancers like keep down, get low. It's like sometimes I'm

488
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 7: a half beat behind, and I got it.

489
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't imagine. I can't imagine ballet translating super

490
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 2: easily to hip.

491
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 7: I'm great with modern.

492
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 6: Why is that one girl in the background on point?

493
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 5: No?

494
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 7: But it was just such a cool experience to have

495
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 7: that with my family, and you know, you guys know

496
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 7: that time. It was a time where like I felt

497
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 7: very like like I wanted to cover her and support

498
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 7: her as well. Like the world was just so different

499
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 7: with artists and everyone and judgment, Like oh, the magazines

500
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 7: and went the comments that people felt like they could

501
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 7: say about people. I was like, did you just say

502
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 7: that about my sister? You know, I felt very like protective.

503
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 7: But I feel like having that moment, it taught me

504
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 7: so much about myself as an artist. So my parents

505
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 7: let me have my friend come out on tour with

506
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 7: me and guitar tech for the guitar players, so I

507
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 7: could write my own songs. Oh, so I danced here

508
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 7: until at sixteen I left and went to Seventh Heaven

509
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 7: and started writing my first album. But having that time,

510
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 7: I think really taught me what I wanted, what I needed,

511
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 7: as you know, like, oh, I will not let you

512
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 7: tell me what to do or this label tell me

513
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 7: what to do or who I'm supoub beat. I mean,

514
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 7: I was lucky to have a whole big sister that

515
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 7: I got to learn from.

516
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, what an incredible education, you know, like a hands on,

517
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 2: right right up close, look at it, right. Was there

518
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 2: a culture shock for you coming from Texas moving to

519
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 2: La Like, was there did your family have a culture shock?

520
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,959
Speaker 7: Feeling well, where did we move to Hassin Heights? And

521
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 7: then yeah, I mean I think there was a little

522
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 7: bit of a shock. But then I think there was

523
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 7: like a group of like Texas people that friends with.

524
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 7: Some of them are like still my best friends to

525
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 7: this day. So I think there was a difference and

526
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 7: was it was different? But then we mostly traveled on

527
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 7: on tour, so that part was just like fun and

528
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 7: experiencing like the silliness of that with a bunch of

529
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 7: like girls on tour and what that is.

530
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: And you know, so was that with Kevin, your first

531
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: acting experience.

532
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,959
Speaker 7: No, what was it? I did like a funny like

533
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 7: one line and hot Ship or a few lives, hot shit,

534
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 7: okay and nice seven. Yeah.

535
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 4: Wow, I'm so curious.

536
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm just so curious because you have a

537
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 6: very unique insight in that very rarely do you meet

538
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 6: people that have been both in the music industry and

539
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 6: the acting industry, And so I'm curious how it's too

540
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 6: big a question to say how different are they? But

541
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 6: is there one side of the industry that is quote

542
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 6: unquote less toxic.

543
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 4: Than the other side.

544
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 6: We keep hearing like, because I only know the acting

545
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 6: side of the of the industry, and they're always like, okay,

546
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 6: well you know, as young actors, it can be this

547
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 6: can be bad or that can be bad. And then

548
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 6: we hear people often saying, whoa man, you should see

549
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 6: what the music industry is like.

550
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 4: So I'm curious.

551
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 6: Was it that big a difference being a young entertainer

552
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 6: in the music side of the industry as opposed to

553
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 6: the acting side of the industry.

554
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 7: I mean, there are different in different ways, but like

555
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 7: I said, like I feel like, yeah, I mean, the

556
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,239
Speaker 7: music industry at that time was definitely you know, I

557
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 7: had a lot of highs, had a lot of lows, right,

558
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 7: And I think for me, I guess it was just

559
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 7: that moment of also and that's where I look back

560
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 7: and give myself a hug because I always stayed grounded.

561
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 7: I was, like I am. I think being an actress

562
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 7: or a singer, actor or anything, it's not letting people

563
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 7: dictate what you are or any failure or this audition

564
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 7: or that or this you know, music or this performance

565
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 7: which I've had, but dictating who you are or your

566
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 7: self worth. And I think for me, like I don't

567
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 7: know what it was inside of me, but I would

568
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 7: dig to that and say I was there, I wrote this,

569
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 7: this is about me, this is my life, and you

570
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 7: know you would find that strength within yourself. And I mean,

571
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 7: I think they're both tough though, right, but Kevin Kevin

572
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 7: was so nice. I mean, that's like a great family.

573
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 7: I had Beverly Mitchell, and I was there like writing

574
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 7: songs like Rachel Blanchard. She'd run my lines with me

575
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 7: every day and I was there writing songs and they

576
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 7: would come to my trailer and listen to like the

577
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 7: new song I wrote. And at the same time, I

578
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 7: was also filming my reality show, The Ashley Show, So

579
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 7: it was like a lot of war is going.

580
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: On, so so many things to keep track of, which,

581
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 2: like you said, giving yourself a big hug for the

582
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 2: fact that you have always remained authentic for as long

583
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: as I've known you, no matter what's been going on,

584
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: You've always just seemed like Ashley, You've always just maintained

585
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: who you were at your core, even while writing the

586
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 2: waves of highs and lows that no matter what industry

587
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: you're in, life just throws at you.

588
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 7: Right, And I mean I think like it's God hopefully

589
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 7: our most important lesson we can give to our children

590
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 7: because now it's like social media and everything expectations and like,

591
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 7: definitely you know it's everywhere.

592
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: Now, Yes, absolutely.

593
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 7: But what I was going to say though, the other

594
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 7: thing about acting was the day that I finished Seventh Heaven.

595
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 7: Because you have to have connnuity with your hair and whatnot,

596
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 7: I went to CVS and I bought a hair dye

597
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 7: box with brown hair.

598
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 4: And taking the Power Back, Taking the Power Back.

599
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 7: My video for Pieces of Me, my single, and I

600
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 7: call everyone, I'm like, I just want you to know

601
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 7: I have brown hair and it's from a box at CBS.

602
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: Did you like the way it turned out? Did you

603
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: like the brown?

604
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 7: I mean I did, and then I kept going and

605
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 7: it was darn. I mean, I don't know. I mean,

606
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 7: it was all like doing life in those young ages

607
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 7: you're in. You're like almost at that time, like your

608
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 7: college years. So it's like, yeah, apartment, You're experimenting your

609
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 7: color and your hair, every color. You know, you're doing

610
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 7: everything and it's all everyone.

611
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: So Autobiography, your debut album, came out in two thousand

612
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: and four. As you mentioned, it turned twenty last year.

613
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: It was five times platinum, hit number one on the

614
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: Billboard Top two hundred, and it is filled with teen angst.

615
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: Now title in mind?

616
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: Was the album a proper representation of who you were?

617
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 7: And it's so funny because I go hibiography. Well, now

618
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 7: you know, you're like, oh, it was like autobiography now exactly,

619
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 7: But it was at that time because for me writing,

620
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 7: it was like every day I'd go in with like

621
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 7: my fresh breakup, my fresh boyfriend, like this is me,

622
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 7: love me for me, and you know, with all those

623
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 7: you know, it was literally like the diary of my

624
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 7: life and having like Kara Diaguardian, John Shanks with me.

625
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 7: It was like they were my therapist and we were

626
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 7: in this room of like this writing session every day,

627
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 7: which was yeah, yeah.

628
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: Well you were and are very different than your sister Jessica.

629
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: I saw a recent interview you guys did and for

630
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: New York magazine, and she talked about how you are

631
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: the cool one, she was the rule follower and you

632
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: really forged your own path. What was it like for

633
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: the two of you having each other by your side

634
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: through the wild ride that was the two thousands.

635
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's like been the biggest blessing.

636
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 7: And that interview was so much fun because I was

637
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 7: interviewing her, so I just like on her, I'm like okay,

638
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 7: like trying to study her new album, and I was

639
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 7: like I was like okay, man, And I felt so

640
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 7: like professional about it.

641
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: You're a serious journalist.

642
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 7: I'm going to interview you.

643
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: So cute.

644
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 7: But I think just having each other where it's this

645
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 7: unspoken sisterhood. You know, it's just us. We don't have

646
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 7: a brother or sisters, just us. And I think it's

647
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 7: this unspoken understanding of everything everywhere we've been and throughout life,

648
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 7: you know. And I think just and we had My.

649
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: Mom was like our third yeah, the third sister.

650
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 4: My mom.

651
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 7: Everyone like, we go to the same nail salon. Everyone's like,

652
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 7: is it Tina or Ashley?

653
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: It's so funny.

654
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: Do people do people tell your mom you guys sound

655
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: alike my mom and I know, yeah, like, oh yeah,

656
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: my mom and I too. No matter which one of

657
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: us is calling, people never know which one of us.

658
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 7: It's so funny. No, but having Jessica has just like

659
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 7: been like a lifeline. Honestly, Yeah, so great.

660
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: The Ashley Simpson Show was another example of an undertaking

661
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: totally ahead of its time. It was a reality show

662
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: launching pad chronicling you making music. Was the show an

663
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: overall positive experience for you? I mean you've gone on

664
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: to do it again with your husband Evan. But did

665
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: you ever regret putting your teenage personal life on TV?

666
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 7: Not? I mean sometimes because now Jaggers found it my daughter,

667
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 7: Oh so.

668
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: Just now there's some regret.

669
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 7: Okay though, because the like that my best friends on

670
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 7: the show, Stephanie and Lauren, they're on the show with

671
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 7: me and they're like the godmothers of both my children.

672
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 7: And there's many silly moments. I mean, the only thing

673
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 7: that kills me is like my voice. I'm like I

674
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 7: like this, ye, I'm like, oh my god, what was

675
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 7: this talking? I think, like naturally hearing the sound of

676
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 7: your voice. But then that one really kills me. But

677
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 7: I think for me though, it was so important because

678
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 7: it was such a window to my life and what

679
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 7: was changing. And I feel like it was like there

680
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 7: have been like my Sister's show, the Newlyweds and the

681
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 7: Osbourne's and this was like kind of the first of

682
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 7: that kind of like making like doing like an album,

683
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 7: but not like making a band somebody putting right following

684
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 7: the process. And also because I'd been there during Newlyweds

685
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 7: a lot of the times, I'm like, get out on

686
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 7: my face. I definitely always had like a little I'm

687
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 7: probably like much nicer now than I like. I just

688
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 7: felt like I needed to be like, yeah, right right,

689
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 7: you needed.

690
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: To protect you felt like everyone there there's always the

691
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: possibility somebody's going to try to cross the line, and

692
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: you were always going to be very quick to be

693
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: like I'm not going to allow you to cross the

694
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: line exactly.

695
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 7: But then I would always remind myself, it's okay, be vulnerable.

696
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 7: This is you opening up and so I'm I do

697
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 7: love that. And then Evan and I did a show.

698
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 7: I don't I don't even know what year that was,

699
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 7: but then I was like, oh, yeah that's not for me.

700
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 3: Now, Okay, so not anymore.

701
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 7: I'm like nothing.

702
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 6: You know, so you're talking, you talk about your process

703
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 6: and then how it was, you know, when you're doing

704
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 6: that show. It's kind of the whole process you're going through.

705
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 6: But a huge question.

706
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 4: How does one write a song?

707
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 7: Hah? You know. I started writing when I was young,

708
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 7: and for me, like, I think it's just like finding

709
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 7: the team, the theme, and like I would be in

710
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 7: my car driving every day, like what just happened to me? What?

711
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 7: You know? I'm like, God, I mean I was dealing

712
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 7: with like first boyfriends and you know, oh, a lot

713
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 7: of the times I like to start with the concept okay, yeah,

714
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 7: concept and like what is that concept? And especially during

715
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 7: that time, because so many things were new, and like

716
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 7: having first boyfriends and first heartbreaks and you know, god,

717
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 7: I had a boyfriend that was like you look fat.

718
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 7: You need to get on the treadmill. I'm like, you

719
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 7: get ready for what I'm about to say. I think

720
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 7: that there was just so many you know, feelings and

721
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 7: like for me, it was like every day, like what

722
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 7: you know what I was going through. Yeah, So I

723
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 7: think you start with the concept, then you get a guitar,

724
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 7: and then you just melodies or you know, and and

725
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 7: it really depends like every day. I mean in those

726
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 7: sessions it was different. It was like meet John and

727
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 7: Kara Dio Gordy and we were like an incredible team.

728
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 7: So it was like we became family. So it just

729
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 7: kind of became like this every day. But I think

730
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 7: like a writing camp is great as well.

731
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: Okay, And with a writing camp is that you and

732
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: a bunch of other writers together pitching ideas like a

733
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: writer's room.

734
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 7: Like you can like go into a writer's room like writing.

735
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly, Yeah, Okay, I saw I saw actual camp,

736
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 6: Like it's you go to it.

737
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 4: It's like camp Rock, you do obstacle.

738
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 7: There's like I'm just saying for people, I haven't actually

739
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 7: done a writing camp, but like I have wrote with

740
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 7: different writers. Oh, like we are connected, we are feeling

741
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 7: each other. This music is going to be in the

742
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 7: right place.

743
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 4: It always. It's just the whole process fascinates me.

744
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 6: Because I saw a documentary Forget What It was called,

745
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 6: but they were talking about they're interviewing a bunch of

746
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 6: musicians who said, it's you don't write a song like

747
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 6: it's given to you by some other universe, Like it

748
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 6: just pops in and it just you don't know where

749
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 6: it comes from where, And it's just if as someone

750
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 6: who has no musical talent, it's so fascinating to see.

751
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 7: I mean definitely when I was younger, younger would annoy

752
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 7: my parents so much, like I had like my guitar player,

753
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 7: this other guitar player, and we would be like singing

754
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 7: like I don't need you to be my backseat driver,

755
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 7: really loud, like love it block at night, Which is

756
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 7: funny because now and Wronx my son, he's great at

757
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 7: writing and great at playing, but him and his friend

758
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 7: definitely play a loud at night. Oh like the circle

759
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 7: of everything.

760
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: So are your kids in the industry?

761
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 7: If?

762
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: If not? If they wanted to be, would you allow

763
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: them to be.

764
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 7: They are not in the industry. I would allow them

765
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 7: to be at their own pace. Okay, I would never

766
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 7: push it. I would just say I think the most

767
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 7: important thing and this age is developing your craft and

768
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 7: deciding what you want with it. Okay, I would never

769
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 7: you know, be like, let's ployees go beyond on the show.

770
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 8: I really want to be in a stage, mom.

771
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 7: You know what. I really want to sit on set

772
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 7: and have you rolled your eyes at me?

773
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: Our other co host who would normally be here, but

774
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 2: his internet is not working today.

775
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: A writer.

776
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: His son has started doing some voiceover work and he's

777
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: been having to drive him around auditions and he's like,

778
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: how did this happen? I used to be the kid

779
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: in the back seat not that long ago, and now

780
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 2: I'm driving around LA and trafficked for my son.

781
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: It's crazy how it happens.

782
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you know, I think it's like, I mean,

783
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 7: i don't know what your thoughts are, but I'm definitely open.

784
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 7: I definitely see my daughter. I mean, she takes acting classes,

785
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 7: she likes I think when she's ready, you know.

786
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and as long as she's not knocking down your

787
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: door begging to do it now, you're not trying to

788
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: rush it along like you said, let them lead the.

789
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 7: Pace, get on the stage. I'm I'm not saying she's

790
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 7: not knocking on the door.

791
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, she's yeah, ucations patients, deer patients, she just

792
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: want to or either. Will only has a step daughter

793
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: who is in her mid thirties, so it's a little

794
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: she's I don't think she's gonna.

795
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 4: Change for hers now. She's pretty set in her ways

796
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 4: at this point.

797
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 3: Yes, she's a wonderful interior designer. That was an interior design,

798
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 3: but I always need it now.

799
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 6: So you mentioned that reality isn't for you anymore, But

800
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 6: would you ever consider getting back in front of the

801
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 6: camera in an acting job.

802
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 7: Yes, definitely, and I'd love to do like more theater

803
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 7: I did Chicago. I did it on the West End

804
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 7: and Broadway and Hollywood Bowl.

805
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: Are you roxy Heart?

806
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 7: It was Roxy? Yeah. I played it so many different

807
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 7: times in my life, which was so fun, Like the

808
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 7: first time I played it in London, I was like

809
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 7: twenty two, and then I did it on Broadway when

810
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 7: I was twenty five, after I had had Bronx, and

811
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 7: then when I did it at the Hollywood Bowl, which

812
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 7: was so cool because I just started dating Evan. His

813
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 7: mom had a show there the week before and she

814
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 7: first met his mom, Diana or else that's the first

815
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 7: time I met her.

816
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 3: Was that's so cool?

817
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you met her at the Hollywood Bowl the

818
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: week before you then played the Hollywood that's cool.

819
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then.

820
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 7: I'm playing like, when I'm doing Vegas, it'll be our

821
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 7: eleventh year anniversary in the thirties, when I have a

822
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 7: show that's amazing. On our tenth we got that romantic

823
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 7: women because you.

824
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 3: Got to do something nice for ten.

825
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 4: Listen.

826
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about Bittersweet World too,

827
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: because over the years it has finally gotten the credit

828
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: that it deserved. But before I get there, I wanted

829
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: to talk to you a little bit about the Internet,

830
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: because I have always seen the SNL performance as a

831
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: real mask off moment for the toxicity that would later

832
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: become online bullying.

833
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 4: Yep.

834
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: And we've all said, we've all heard that, like, oh,

835
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 2: we've grown a bit.

836
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: As a society.

837
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: But I wanted to ask you, as a person who

838
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: has felt the unwarranted wrath of its stupidity, do you

839
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: think we have grown it all as a society when

840
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: it comes to understanding that celebrities are human beings who

841
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: have flaws and make mistakes and also are real people.

842
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 7: I think it's a different era, you know. I don't

843
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 7: think if it was that moment and this era, would

844
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 7: it be that, you know, I think during that time,

845
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 7: I mean, the bullying was insane, insane, And that's what

846
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 7: I was saying too earlier too about being a human

847
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 7: and being a human that oh, like oh she did

848
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 7: lose her voice. Oh that doesn't mean she didn't write

849
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 7: these songs and this is like her and like we

850
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 7: can't go back and see her on tour, which I

851
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 7: feel like I was able to do. But then my

852
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 7: whole life I did like tell people like and I

853
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 7: was like, what am I trying to tell people? Like yeah,

854
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 7: oh but night before him every night, like my fans know,

855
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 7: and I had to know that in my heart, like oh,

856
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 7: I'm selling out the Greek like you know, like I

857
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 7: am doing that, and like, yes, I've had a up

858
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 7: and downs, just like every other human. But I do

859
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 7: think it's evolved. But also it hasn't, you know, in

860
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 7: some ways. But it's evolved, Okay, but I think different

861
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 7: now for us, we had the magazines and this now

862
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 7: everything's kind of more fleeting. Yeah, now it's more like

863
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 7: here it is to be on your shoulders forever. Right

864
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 7: now everything is like a little bit more fleeting and fast.

865
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 4: We just have less attention spans.

866
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 7: Now, so that's yeah, everyone's on the phone too much.

867
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 6: Exactly, You've got TikTok and you've got everything anything over

868
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 6: ninety seconds, and an entire generation isn't going to follow.

869
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 4: It isn't going to watch. So yeah, crazy.

870
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 3: Well, Bittersweet World?

871
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: Was it album you executive produced yourself and it really

872
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: felt like it was your vision?

873
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: Did it?

874
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: Was it? How was that album different for you?

875
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 7: Oh? That album was like I was just ready to

876
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 7: move into something different on that album, And when I

877
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 7: listened to it, I mean, it's actually fun because during

878
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 7: the Vegas show, I'm playing three of the songs from it.

879
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 7: Oh boys, a little miss obsessive and out of my head.

880
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 7: But looking back at it, it's so funny because I

881
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 7: do wish I would have evolved that album more because

882
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 7: some of the songs, I'm like, I love like where

883
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 7: I was going, but I would have like But it's

884
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 7: funny because this is before, this is two thousand and seven,

885
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 7: this is before there's like a lot of big artists

886
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 7: out that ended up doing that. So it was like

887
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 7: kind of like the beginning again.

888
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 3: You were ahead of your time. You have been ahead

889
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:32,959
Speaker 3: of your time.

890
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 7: I feel like there was some songs like ooh when

891
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 7: I heard it, I'm like, good, I wish I'm goud

892
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 7: have like wrapped up or like you know, i'd go.

893
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 7: But I'm so proud of the album because I was

894
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 7: taking such chances of something. Yeah, and there are songs

895
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 7: that like, I love love love on that album, and

896
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 7: then songs that I'm like, oh, I would like to read

897
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 7: that one.

898
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, can't.

899
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 6: You I mean, as an artist ever done that if

900
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 6: it's if it's yours, and you're like, you know what

901
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 6: I wish I did with this song?

902
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 4: Can't you just take it? And then just yeah, I'm sure.

903
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm still like proud of it, but like

904
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 7: you know, sonically or things like that, You're like, I

905
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 7: mean I think lyrically was really cool, So I mean

906
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 7: just some of it You're like, well was also two

907
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 7: thousand and seven, so yeah, said it was before Yeah, Yeah.

908
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: I mean you could definitely make the case that had you,

909
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: like you said, you you look back and you think,

910
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: which I would.

911
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 7: Have just out of my head and boys like which

912
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 7: I've been playing right now, I'm like, these are like,

913
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 7: oh that was good.

914
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 2: Yes, And you enlisted names like Timbaland, Chad Hugo, Kenna,

915
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: Jay Rock some of the best in the biz, and

916
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: you made an album that I truly believe was overlooked

917
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: and helped usher in the nineteen eighties electro pop sound

918
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: that basically rules pop music.

919
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 7: Now that's what I was yeah inspired by, Yes, Yeah.

920
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: And that album was also a catalyst for a twenty

921
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: eighteen article in the New York Times where the headline

922
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: was just was Ashley Simpson underappreciated? And then this year

923
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: we saw Autobiography, your debut picked as number two hundred

924
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: and thirty seven on Rolling Stone's Top two hundred and

925
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: fifty Albums of the twenty first Century.

926
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: Damn that does any of that feel?

927
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 4: Like?

928
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 3: Does that feel redeeming for you? Do you hear that

929
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: and think, yes, I does that? That feels good? That

930
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: that feels nice? That does feel good good good as

931
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: it should.

932
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 7: Yes, that definitely feels good. And yeah, I feel like

933
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 7: in those moments and even in that record, it was

934
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 7: just kind of going with the things like I was

935
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 7: inspired by, and like I told you, I was definitely

936
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 7: so inspired by the eighties, even from like such a

937
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 7: young age. Yeah, getting to play with that and those

938
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 7: like sounds, and I mean even with autobiography, So yeah,

939
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 7: just this is.

940
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: All a big pad on our show Get Yeah, it's

941
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: a big group out.

942
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 6: So you're talking because now I'm I'm not hugely musically fluent,

943
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 6: but I love eighties music. So it leads me to ask, then,

944
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 6: what did you listen to growing up? What were your

945
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 6: favorite bands when you were a.

946
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 7: Little Okay, So I loved like the Pretenders, I mean

947
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 7: me like, I love Pretenders, Blondie, w Harry Jones, Jets, you.

948
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: Know, good so good.

949
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, thought they were.

950
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 7: Like women of strength, but yeah, they were just so

951
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 7: cool in my rocket.

952
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, Harry was hanging out with the Ramones for God's sakes,

953
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 4: I mean it was awesome.

954
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 3: What are you most looking forward to with your Vegas shows?

955
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm most looking forward to just playing this set,

956
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 7: playing for the fans. The room is so beautiful and sexy,

957
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 7: and I'm excited to bring it this like fun rock

958
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 7: edge and just like myself, and I'm excited to play

959
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 7: the songs. And you know, I think just getting there

960
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 7: and seeing what the first day feels like. I'm so

961
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 7: happy I have seven shows and I feel like every

962
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 7: show would be different, and I'm looking forward.

963
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: To that so great.

964
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: I'm sure you have been asked in every interview, but

965
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: I know all of our listeners want to know.

966
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: Do you ever think new music could be in your future?

967
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 7: Definitely? You know, I've been writing here and there, and

968
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 7: I think right now, like the moment is it's like,

969
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 7: let's enjoy this, you know, the like path now the

970
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 7: future and see what that opens up, you know for

971
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 7: me in my heart, you know, and once you know,

972
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 7: once I'm there, then I'll really know. I love that,

973
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 7: you know, I still like whatever I do. I still

974
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 7: want to take my business school.

975
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: That's great. And those are the two places we got

976
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: to go.

977
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 4: You know, Pretzel, I'm all day now.

978
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 3: Actually it's not far well you can go.

979
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 4: To it's a big commitment.

980
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: Actually, if you could go back, as you're prepping for

981
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: these anniversary shows and you could tell young Ashley one thing,

982
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: what would you tell young Ashley twenty years ago?

983
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 7: I would just look at myself and be like, you

984
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 7: are doing.

985
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 3: Good, Yes, you're doing great.

986
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so much. You know, so you've done

987
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 7: having that dancer background and everything, we just you know,

988
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 7: beat ourselves down and just to look at yourself and say, wow,

989
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 7: like you are doing so good, look at.

990
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: Your Yeah, that makes me so happy.

991
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful you spent your time with us this morning.

992
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: I'm so excited for your Vegas residency.

993
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 4: I love you so much.

994
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: It was so great to see you. I want to

995
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: come see your show. I also want to see you

996
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: again at the mall. We also our neighbors. We need

997
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: to get our kids together and just hang out. I'd

998
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: love to get to know your husband better as well.

999
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's please.

1000
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 7: Let's do it.

1001
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 3: Let's do it. Ashley, thank you so much for joining us.

1002
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you, fine, bye bye.

1003
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 3: Isn't she great?

1004
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 4: She's amazing.

1005
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 6: She's amazing, And it's one of those things where I

1006
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 6: don't know her music all that well. So I keep

1007
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 6: hearing you and Jensen talking about kind of the underrated

1008
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 6: songwriting and all that stuff.

1009
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 4: I just I gotta go listen. I gotta at some.

1010
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 6: Point realize apparently there's music after nineteen ninety one.

1011
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: Yes, and Will, just like when you were like, I

1012
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: don't think I'm going to know very many of the

1013
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: Backstreet Boy songs, and then when you're sitting there and

1014
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: you're at the Sphere show and you're listening, you're like,

1015
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: you know what, I know significantly more of these than

1016
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 2: I thought, And on top of that, I like significantly

1017
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: more than I thought I would like. I actually have

1018
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: a feeling you would very much enjoy Ashley Simpson music.

1019
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 3: I really do.

1020
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: I know your musical taste enough. I think there's quite

1021
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 2: a bit that you would really like.

1022
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's anything like Alanis Morrist, but

1023
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 6: Jagie Little Pill's one of my favorite albums of all time.

1024
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 4: I used to listen to that just on repeat. So yeah, no,

1025
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 4: it's She's super c You gotta.

1026
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 3: Listen to Bittersweet World. You'd like it.

1027
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, check out check Not doing anything until I get

1028
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 6: a Wetzel's pretzel now, Unfortunately, that's my day, Ashley.

1029
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1030
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: Oh we're sorry everyone that writer was in here today.

1031
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 2: Internet can be fickle unless you live in our little

1032
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: tiny spot of the San Fernando Valley. So yeah, I

1033
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: guess uh, who knows what happened, but we'll catch up

1034
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: with him later. And anyway, thank you all for joining

1035
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Speaker 2: us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always,

1036
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