1 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Hey, Professional Homegirls. Is Isha girl Ebinez here, and welcome 2 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: back to the Professional Homegirl podcast. Now today we're diving 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: into the profound journey of a woman whose midday commute 4 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: transformed into a complete nightmare. Imagine this. She's leaving work, 5 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: she decided to head home to get some rest instead 6 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: of hitting the gym, only to encounter a whole nut 7 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: consumed by road rage, unleashing seven shots upon her, yes, 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: seven shots. And the wake of this tragedy, she shares 9 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: her reflections on the impact, the shortcomings of the legal system, 10 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: and the power of forgiveness. Join me as we explore 11 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: the chilling realities of road rage and the resilience to overcome. 12 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: I almost lost my life to road rage. Starting now. 13 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: So to my guests, thank you so much for being 14 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: on a show. How are you? How you doing? 15 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: I'm good. 16 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: How are you well, y'all? Since she asks, I was 17 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: just telling her about how it took me forever to 18 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: get home because I was on the train for damn 19 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: near two hours. But besides that, I had a really, 20 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: really good day. So thank you for asking. 21 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 2: Of course, that's good to hear. 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: Yes, now, it's been almost two years since you almost 23 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: lost your life In what ways has this experience impacted 24 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: your perspective on life? 25 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 2: Oh? 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 3: My goodness, this experience has changed my life in so 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 3: many ways. 28 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: Yeah. 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: I definitely struggled with trying to find a sense of 30 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: self again after it happened. It's been a slow process, 31 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: but slowly but surely I'm finding my footing and you know, 32 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 3: kind of it was a second chance of life. So 33 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 3: that's how I'm seeing and you know, taking on every 34 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: opportunity I can and making the most of it. 35 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know anyone that has been affected by 36 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: gun violence? 37 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: I actually recently went to a change maker summit where 38 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 3: I met a lot of other young black individuals who 39 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 3: they're either their family members, friends, that they are impacted 40 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 3: by gun violence nearly every day. So yeah, I was 41 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: able to, you know, meet some new people and form 42 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: some new relationships. 43 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you navigate discussions around this experience with 44 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: others who may not fully understand the impact of such 45 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: a traumatic event. 46 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 3: So typically, how I navigate this discussion about you know, 47 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 3: gun violence and what happened to me? I typically like 48 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 3: to just remind them that everyone's story is completely different, right, 49 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: just because you know, they're hearing one thing from me. 50 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: It doesn't mean it's true or that it's not true 51 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: for someone else. Every experience is completely different, whether a 52 00:02:55,320 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: wounded survivor non wounded, or your loved one was effective, 53 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: of environment, everything about it. It's so unique to each 54 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: person that it can be, you know, quite difficult to 55 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 3: narrow down, you know, like some of the pinpoint spots 56 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: where it gets tricky to talk about, like just on 57 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: a daily basis, how physical things can be quite a challenge. 58 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, is it hard for you to share your story? 59 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 2: It's not hard for me to share or talk about 60 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: my story. 61 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 3: Even while I was still hospitalized, I was sharing it 62 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 3: with the nurses and doctors. 63 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: After they took the tube that was down my throat out, I. 64 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: Was able to talk about it and I've still been 65 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: able to talk about it with no problem. 66 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: But do you find comfort in being able to have 67 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: these conversations with people who have similar backgrounds? 68 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: Oh one, being able to talk with other survivors or 69 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: you know, people their loved ones, you know, either they 70 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 3: lost their life or they're wounded. Just being able to 71 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 3: unfortunately make these trauma bonds. But it's something that you know, 72 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: people involved in it, we we understand and we get it. 73 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: So it's been very eye opening to just learn about 74 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: so many other people's journeys. 75 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she told me where she was from, and 76 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, I was thinking to myself, like, that's not 77 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: really happened in places like that. Or did you move? 78 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? 79 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: So I originally I was living in Kansas City at 80 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 3: the time that the shooting happened. 81 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy. So let's start from the beginning. Tell 82 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: us about your day. 83 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had just gotten off of work. 84 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: I worked a little part time job as a receptionist 85 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 3: at the time. 86 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: It was amazing. 87 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: So I was headed on my way home and just 88 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: left and I was like, oh, you know what, I'm 89 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: going to skip the gym today. 90 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: I see you go home, but maybe time you was 91 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: just tired. 92 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was tired. 93 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: I was a pre law student at the time, so 94 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: I had a few assignments I had to do. So 95 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: I was like, you know, let me just go home 96 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: and you know, just start working on what I need 97 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: to do. 98 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 2: Right. 99 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 3: So I left and it wasn't until I had literally 100 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: gotten off my exit. I had turned left and I 101 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 3: had looked in my rear view mirror as I was 102 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: driving and I saw someone just like speeding up really fast, 103 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: and like eventually they swerved into like the other lane 104 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: oncoming traffic. They almost caused a head on collision, but 105 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: right before they did that, they swerved right back over 106 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: into the right lane, which is the lane I was in. 107 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 3: As soon as they swerved over, they stopped, slammed on 108 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 3: the brakes, got out, and immediately fired nine shots into 109 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: my car. 110 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: So was this starting to catch up with you? 111 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: Or was he just so our pass never crossed? 112 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: He was never on the freeway, so I had he 113 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: was already on the main street that I had turned onto, 114 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: but I never saw him because he was behind me, 115 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: So I never saw him until he was like passing 116 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 3: me and stuff and like swerving. But he got as 117 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: soon as he passed me, swerved got back right in 118 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 3: front of me, He slammed on the brakes, got out, 119 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: and just immediately just fired those shots into my car. 120 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: And I got hit seven times. 121 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: And where were you thinking? Like could you believe what 122 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: you were saying? Because that would have like freaked me out. 123 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what I would have did, Like did 124 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: you black out? 125 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 3: Or it was insane? Like I didn't even know what 126 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 3: was going on. But I'm going to tell you right now, 127 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: Kansas City drivers like they're insane to begin with. They 128 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: they say, however they want the speed that make could 129 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 3: be thirty, they're going seventy still like they don't care. 130 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: They're ruthless. 131 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 1: Wow. 132 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy because like I was literally in 133 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 3: my own little world. I was like jamming to my music, 134 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 3: Like I didn't even know what was going on until 135 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 3: like I saw like as he was like passing me, 136 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: I looked over. I was like kind of like what 137 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 3: the hell is going on? 138 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: Right? 139 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: And then as soon as he like that like passed 140 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 3: me and before he calls that headone collision, he just 141 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 3: swerved over and like I had already started to slow 142 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 3: down because I was like I don't I don't. 143 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: Think I can. 144 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: You don't know what he was doing, right. 145 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like I don't know what to do. 146 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: But the crazy part is so he swerved right back 147 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 3: in front of me, and so I connected with his 148 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 3: car like at like ten miles an hour, and like 149 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 3: that was my first car accident ever. 150 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: So I was just like looking around. 151 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, let me just see like where 152 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: to pull off, and like as soon as I looked back, 153 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: like right in front of me, he was just standing 154 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 3: there holding the gun, and before I knew it, I 155 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: think as soon as I looked up, he had already 156 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: fired the first shot. But as soon as like I 157 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: realized what was going on, I just tried to duck 158 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: and get under like my steering wheel. But I think 159 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: before I could duck, I was already hit at least three. 160 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: Or four times. 161 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it was my right arm, So I think 162 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: I was already hit three or four times in my arm, 163 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: and then the other shots went through to my side. 164 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: So as I was trying to duck, like. 165 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: Bones were breaking, and like I couldn't get to where 166 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 3: I needed to go. 167 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: Were you in a car or like, were you in 168 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: a truck. 169 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: Or I was in a cars. I'm a little Ford 170 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: focus and the driver was in a truck. 171 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: Wow, that is fucking crazy. And if you see anybody 172 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,679 Speaker 1: else around like or they probably was just trying to run. 173 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: There was tons of people around. It was one point thirty, 174 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: so it was like lunchtime and stuff, so there was people, 175 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: you know, coming both directions. There was some people like 176 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: walking on the street, and like none of those people 177 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: stopped to help me. Not a single person. It wasn't 178 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: until a few minutes later someone who lived in that neighborhood. 179 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 3: They came to help me, and they helped me stay 180 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 3: on the phone with nine one one. I called nine 181 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 3: one one on my own because everyone else was like 182 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: just shook. And then people just started driving off. 183 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you over niggas. I know you hate 184 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: people because the fact if I'm playing Devil's advocate, maybe 185 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: people are just in a stay of shock. But at 186 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: this point he is like he just so what made 187 00:08:58,640 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: him leave? Like he just fled the scene. 188 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 3: So right after you fired those shots, he actually he 189 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 3: walked up to my car and I was like, this 190 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 3: is over, Like he's about to shoot me in the head. 191 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: Like I didn't know what was going to happen. 192 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 3: He said something but I couldn't hear my windows were up, 193 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 3: and then he ran back to his truck and he 194 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 3: just drove off. And then yeah, after that, I had 195 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 3: to call nine one on my own. There's people. There 196 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: was a lady she literally walked up to my car. 197 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: She told me, oh, you're not you're not, You're fine, 198 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 3: You're fine, you gotta go. I was like, no, you 199 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: need to call nine one and put pressure. 200 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: On my wad. 201 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 202 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 3: I think she had maybe a mental health condition, so 203 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: I think she was panicked. But she was like, no, 204 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 3: you gotta go, and she was like, sorry, I gotta go. 205 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: She didn't help me. She didn't call nine one one. 206 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: So I called Nie one one and the first time 207 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: I tried to call I didn't go through. So yeah, 208 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 3: at that point, I was like like I'm done for 209 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 3: like right, yeah, but I don't know umping in me 210 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: Like I was like, hey, sire, calmed down one one 211 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: and like it connected and went through. But as soon 212 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: as it went through, it was like all lines are busy, 213 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: please hold. 214 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: I was like, or maybe everybody else was trying to 215 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: call too. 216 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: Apparently this is a common thing in Kansas City. If 217 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: you try to call nine one, you're going to be 218 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 3: placed on hold. Like I don't know what the deal is, 219 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: but it's a huge issue. 220 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: And yeah you about that everything moving out of Kansas City. Yeah, 221 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: they can't drive, you can't call the police. 222 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was insane. 223 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 3: But like after I called nine one one, you know 224 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: they got there pretty quick, like thankfully, So I was 225 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 3: literally two minutes from my house. 226 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: I was like right around the corner. 227 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 228 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: And I lived really. 229 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: Close to the fire department, so they were able to 230 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,479 Speaker 3: get there and no time, thankfully. So like the ambulance 231 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 3: came and everything, and I remember they couldn't see my injuries, 232 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: so everything hit right and they were trying to get 233 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 3: me out, you know, the driver's side on the left, 234 00:10:58,559 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 3: and they couldn't see anything. 235 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: Could could you talk? 236 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 3: Like I could talk, but like I was like in 237 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: and out of consciousness. I was losing a lot of blood. 238 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were shot seven times. 239 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was bleeding out mostly it was internal, 240 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: Like I was bleeding out internally, So I was like 241 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: passing out coming back. And they got me out of 242 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: my car onto like the pavement, like in the middle 243 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 3: of the road, and they like I could just see 244 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 3: they were like panicked because they couldn't tell like what 245 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: where my injuries were and what to do. I was 246 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 3: wearing it was called it was October, so I had 247 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: this Sherpa jacket on so they couldn't see anything. So 248 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 3: I ended up I had to like shiitty my way 249 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 3: by myself onto the freaking stretcher because they were like, 250 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: they're like, are you hitting the neck? 251 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 2: Are you Like they were trying to figure out like what. 252 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: They may probably want to move you the wrong way either, 253 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure some bullets were inside of you, 254 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: so one wrong move and it can trap. Man. That 255 00:11:58,960 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: is crazy. 256 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 3: And then they loaded me back up up into the ambulance. 257 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 3: And the first thing I told the EMTs I was like, 258 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: give me some meds and take me home. I have 259 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: a case brief. I need to submit, like I need 260 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: to go home. I'm a pre law student. I don't 261 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: have time for this, Like I need to go home. 262 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 3: I didn't realize how severely I had been injured. 263 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: Could you feel it? No, so you shock? 264 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, complete shock and all that adrenaline. I do remember though, 265 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 3: right before the ambulance came, like I saw my arm 266 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: and it was like backwards and I was like, oh shit, 267 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 3: like it so it hit my elbow right. So it 268 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 3: basically how the surgeon put it, was like it shattered 269 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 3: and completely shattered. So I have a rod in my 270 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 3: arm now to help keep my bones together. 271 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: Listen, let me tell you all something. This ain't nothing 272 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: about the grace of God. Because my guess she is 273 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: just as pretty as she wanted to be, clear skin 274 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: glasses like pretty tee like she do you do not 275 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: look like your story. 276 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why nobody seems to believe me until 277 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 3: I start showing scars and pictures and I'm like, oh 278 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 3: my god, like you can see a little bit of 279 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: like the. 280 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: Scar, the scars, yeah, because I was on research on you, 281 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: and then you have a scar on your stomach, you know, 282 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: before we continue. So you've been getting push back, like 283 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: you people didn't feeling like you don't that you're lying. 284 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: Yep, people think that I'm lying. I've made the story up. 285 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: That was people. 286 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 3: So I've been posting on social media since probably January 287 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 3: of last year, right, so just random, random people, just 288 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: people I don't even know. They don't know me, but 289 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 3: they're like, there has to be more to the story. 290 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 3: You had to do something for him to do that. 291 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 3: I'm like, no, Like I have the dash camera footage 292 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 3: to prove that, like. 293 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 2: Literally, I didn't do anything, like I was just driving. 294 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 3: But people don't believe that, like I didn't provoke the 295 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 3: shooter and that like I didn't know him, even though 296 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 3: the cops were like, oh, like this always happens, you know, 297 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 3: like boyfriend girlfriend stuff, and I'm married at the time. 298 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: Anyway, right, and so yeah, but. 299 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 3: The it was a lot, and so the cops didn't 300 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: believe when I started posting about my experienced people online 301 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 3: obviously didn't believe in their hesitant to help. 302 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: So yeahs got crazy. 303 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: The cops got some fucking nerves. First of all, you 304 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: had you was placed on hold the first time, they 305 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: didn't answer, and now they're saying you lying. Yeah, yep, 306 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: that is crazy. So what were the physical injuries that 307 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: you sustained during this incident? 308 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: So I had, I had quite a few. 309 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 3: So the biggest one was that my inferior finn a 310 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 3: ceva a bullet had I guess, I don't know if 311 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: it was just like a graze or if it went 312 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: all the way through. 313 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: And that's the largest main in yard body, y'all. That's 314 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: the one vein that you need to survive. 315 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: Yep. So that got hit. 316 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 3: That's the injury that was killing me, besides the rest 317 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 3: of the internal bleeding. So my stomach, my liver, my 318 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:10,479 Speaker 3: large and small intestine, and my spleen those were all damaged. 319 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: My small intestine had fourteen holes through it. Typically the 320 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: small intestine is anywhere from like sixteen to twenty two 321 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 3: feet and for someone to be able to live if 322 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 3: they have to have bowel re sections, you need at 323 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: least eight feet. I was left with six feet, and 324 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: they were shocked that I didn't need a cold colostomy 325 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 3: bag and like that. 326 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: So are you nothing? Not t you in my bar? 327 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: Are you able to pull? 328 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: I am yeah? 329 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: No, SI yeah, because you can still. 330 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: Do every function. I don't know. I can still have 331 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: children if I want. 332 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 3: To, Like, ohhow everything else basically internally, and my abdomen 333 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: got injured, my spleen basically, they said it liquefied. They 334 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: had to remove it, and your spleen is a part 335 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 3: of your immune system, so I'm now compromised without it. 336 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 3: And then the other injury, of course, was my arm, 337 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 3: my right arm, that elbow completely shattered. And then just 338 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: throughout like the hospital stay and stuff, like one of 339 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 3: my lungs got nicked, so I had a few issues 340 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 3: there and I had to end up having athricotomy so 341 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: that they could say out the blood in my lungs. 342 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if I saw this somewhere, but you 343 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: you pretty much died and came back to life, right. 344 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 3: I did, so the first night I was hospitalized, I 345 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: don't remember any of this. I was completely out tubed 346 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: down my throat. Everything my family told me, the doctors 347 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 3: told me. First night I was there, they were actually 348 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: checking on me at the time, and you couldn't find 349 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: a pulse. The machines were flat lightning, They couldn't find anything. 350 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: Do you remember that time, even though you wasn't. 351 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: Wow, I I just remember there was complete darkness, and 352 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 3: then I remember just like coming to. I opened my 353 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 3: eyes and I told my husband later and I was like, 354 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 3: I just know. There was nine people in the room 355 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 3: and he was like, I think you're exactly right on that. 356 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: But they were like, we don't know what happened. We 357 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 3: couldn't find you. And then they had to find your pulse, 358 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 3: and so they had to rush me back to emergency 359 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 3: surgery to make sure I wasn't still bleeding out. And 360 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 3: when they did, they found that there was another hole 361 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 3: in my stomach that they didn't see. It was missed 362 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 3: because there was just so much damage to begin with. 363 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 3: So I was, I guess bleeding out from that and 364 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 3: that's what caused I guess the me to goal post list. 365 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: How long were you in the hospital twenty two days? Well, 366 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: how many surgeries did you have. 367 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,719 Speaker 2: While in the hospital, I had twelve and then since 368 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: then I've had three since being discharged. 369 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: Have you always believed in God? 370 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 2: No? 371 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 3: I was raised Christian, but I never followed the religion 372 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 3: into adulthood. But definitely after this, Listen, there's a higher. 373 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 2: Being for sure. 374 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: Listen why you never believe in the God? If you'll 375 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: mind me asking or just follow the religion? 376 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: I was kind of I was more so forced into it, right. 377 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 3: I feel like I was. I didn't really know much 378 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 3: about Christianity anyway, right, And I feel the more I 379 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: tried to learn, the more I kind of was like 380 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 3: shunned for not knowing, Like the older I got, so 381 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 3: I kind of just fell back and kind of stayed away. 382 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 3: But yeah, definitely, now I'm like, there's a higher being. 383 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: And everywhere I turned, I swear there's a sign like 384 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 3: a god, this God that I'm. 385 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: Like, you know what met me? Let me pay attention 386 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 2: to the sign? Right? 387 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: What made you start to believe in your adulthood? 388 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 3: It was this situation because I most definitely, I don't know. 389 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 3: I I think I had always believed, but I wasn't. 390 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 3: My belief wasn't strong a believer, right, Right, and I 391 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,719 Speaker 3: won't say that I'm completely firm now, but I'm still 392 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 3: like taking these signs and learning and I'm like, you 393 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 3: know what, I owe it to somebody, my body. I 394 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 3: shouldn't have survived this, the surgeon told me, like, I 395 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: should not have made it, but I'm here. 396 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,239 Speaker 1: Do you ever have moments where you be like, if 397 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: there is a guy, why would this happen? 398 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 2: Surprisingly? No, My only. 399 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: Question really is like when when does the easier part start? 400 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: That's that's my only question. 401 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, can we get to where things are a 402 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 3: little bit easier, you know, and it feels like, you know, 403 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 3: I have more control of my life again. 404 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 2: Right? 405 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: How did this affect your family, especially your husband? 406 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's been incredibly rough, but my husband has 407 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 3: been he has been here since day one, since it happened. 408 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 3: He had to make the call to my mom who 409 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 3: lives across the country in California, and like my family 410 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 3: had to fly out to you know, they came out 411 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 3: to compete with me for about a month and a half. 412 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 3: So it put a strain on my family financially, Like 413 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 3: my family basically like wipe their savings because they had 414 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 3: to be here, and they helped us after the shooting, 415 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 3: they were like, you guys have to move like now. 416 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 3: So they moved us to a different place in Kansas City, 417 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 3: and then after that they helped us move to Iowa 418 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 3: to be closer to my sister who lives in Iowa. 419 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: It's a black people in Iowa, not a lot, not 420 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: a lot. 421 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,959 Speaker 3: I'm closer in like cedar rapids in Des Moines, but 422 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: not in like Iowa City. 423 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: Okay, I got like, I don't really know too much 424 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: about Iowa. 425 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: Yeah there's corn. There's corn here. That's about it. 426 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: There is corn. Yeah, wow, that is crazy. 427 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 2: You know. 428 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm not really a big fan of gofummies, 429 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: right because I feel like people abuse gofummies and they 430 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: use it for si for reasons. But you know, I 431 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: did researcher on you because I'm very I want to 432 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: be able to share stories that we can all relate to, 433 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: but also just to you know, give a voice to 434 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: the voiceless, right. And when I was reading your story 435 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: or whatever, and I got your GoFundMe and you know, 436 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: I think I saw a video you do on your 437 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: Facebook and you was just like thoroughly explaining why do 438 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: you need assistance with this? How does that make you feel? 439 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 3: You know, honestly, as growing up as a black girl 440 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 3: and then black woman now you know having to fight 441 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 3: harder for the same things. 442 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 2: I guess in a sense it had. 443 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 3: It can get frustrating, of course, and it's like damn, 444 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 3: Like if I was white, like this would have taken 445 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 3: off and I would have gotten news coverage, but you 446 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 3: didn't get news coverage at the time when it happened. 447 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 3: So because I was shot so many times, they thought 448 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 3: that I was like involved in something or like something 449 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 3: bad was happening, so they had to protect my identity 450 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 3: and like everything. 451 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, no news. 452 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 3: Coverage, no nothing, but having to like really explain myself. 453 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 3: I feel like I've had to do it my whole life. 454 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 3: It's unfair. But at this point, I'm like, right now, 455 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 3: it's literally like I have to go bigger, go home. 456 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 3: And like if people like they want to see it all, 457 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 3: they want to see all these statements the past, do 458 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 3: bills like how we're still struggling, Like I have no 459 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 3: problem being like so vulnerable, Like I will give you 460 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 3: the information you want. All I ask in return is 461 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 3: that you share this post. Like I'm not asking anything 462 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 3: from like. 463 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 2: Like the general public. 464 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 3: We are all struggling, we are all going through it, right, So, like, 465 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 3: I was so grateful that so many fans, friends and 466 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 3: family like helped us out in the beginning. And unfortunately, 467 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 3: I think what many people don't realize this is like 468 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 3: now because I was shocked so many times and it 469 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 3: was so severe. I have lifelong complications now because vaccine 470 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 3: got to get every few years now because I don't 471 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: have my spleen. Like, there's so much stuff that goes 472 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 3: into the recovery that people don't know that. Unfortunately, it 473 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 3: could be another couple of years until you know, we 474 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 3: recover financially from this. But yeah, you know, I have 475 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: to put it all out there, and you know, at 476 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 3: times it kind of feels a little embarrassing, but I'm like, 477 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 3: it's for the greater good if this can hopefully reach 478 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 3: the right person the right eyes, you know, like and 479 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 3: not even just for the financial but like other gun 480 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 3: violence survivors, Yeah, I'm like here, that's I just want 481 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 3: to be able to share this story so that you know, 482 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 3: we can bring more awareness to what it's like, not 483 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 3: just during when it happens, but after what gunma survivors 484 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 3: have to go through. 485 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna definitely give to your your 486 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: gofunding because I can only imagine how no serious, because 487 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: it's gonna be emotional, but I can just only imagine 488 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: imagine how like it gotta be sor right to ask 489 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: people for stuff that you really need in effect. I mean, y'all, 490 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: I was on her page and like you was writing 491 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: like I need this for this, and it was like 492 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: a long para paragraph and then the next one was 493 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: like another paragraph, and I'm just like wow, like you 494 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: can see like I see your scars, you know, And 495 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: then I think that, if I'm not mistaken, your husband 496 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: was in a car accident or something before then, right, he. 497 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 2: Was in a work accident. 498 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so eighteen, Yeah, he was in a really 499 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 3: bad work accident. His legs the bottom half he had 500 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 3: seventy percent burns on the bottom half of his legs. Yeah, 501 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 3: it was that was another right. We had just gotten 502 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 3: engaged at that time too. 503 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: It was crazy. 504 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna So if anybody, you're the second 505 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: person I did this for, so y'all know, I only 506 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: do this for people who I really really believe that 507 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: that really needs it. But if anybody wants to help 508 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,479 Speaker 1: our guests out, even though she is anonymous, but we 509 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: all about helping our professional homegirls out. Please reach out 510 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: to me a hello at the PHG podcast dot com 511 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: and I will share you her link so we can 512 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: give you some help. Because yeah, no, no, no, because 513 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: it's that's heartbreaking, I mean, and the fact that you 514 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: didn't even notice Nigga. Was he black or was he white? 515 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 2: He was black? Mm yep, all. 516 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: Right, we get to that later. So tell us about 517 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: your recovery. 518 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. 519 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 3: So at first recovery started with I had to have 520 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: a home health nurse for three or four months. It 521 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: would come two to three times a week. So with 522 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 3: my abdominal scar, I had this thing called a wound back. 523 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 3: And basically, if you have a really large wound, you 524 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: get a wound back. 525 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: It's like this big machine. They placed like the special. 526 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 3: Foam over your wound and then it comes with like 527 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 3: a plastic seal basically seals it up. 528 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: But basically you're you have to keep. 529 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 3: The wound open for it to heal from the inside 530 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 3: out so that infections don't grew underneath. 531 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, it was such out. 532 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 3: Anything that didn't belong to help keep things clean and sanitary. 533 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 2: So I had that for three months, Yeah. 534 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 3: Three months, and the nightmares with that, like sometimes it 535 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 3: like the seal wasn't correct on the wound, if it 536 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 3: wasn't length flush, it would have a leg alert. And 537 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 3: there was one night where my wound back kept going off. 538 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 3: So if your wound is exposed and it's not covered 539 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 3: the way it's supposed to be, you know. 540 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 2: Easier to get infection. 541 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I remember specifically there were two different times 542 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 3: I had to go to the er to help have 543 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 3: them help me fix my wound back because we were 544 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 3: unsure exactly. 545 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: What to do at that point because I was just 546 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: so new to us. 547 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 3: Eventually we got the hang of it, but it was 548 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 3: definitely that was one of the hardest parts was having 549 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 3: this machine I had to carry around with me. Aside 550 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 3: from that, I've had to have three surgeries. I had 551 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: one to remove a bullet that was launched in my arms. 552 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 3: I had one to remove a bullage that was lodged 553 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 3: in my left side that went through the right and 554 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 3: I got stuck. And then I had I just had 555 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 3: a nerve block procedure to help with all the nerve pain. 556 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 2: And I've had since the incident. 557 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 3: I hopefully only have to have at least I think 558 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 3: it's only one or two more procedures. One is going 559 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 3: to need to help finish off. Basically, it's called cryoblation, 560 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 3: so it's going to freeze off my nerve so I 561 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: no longer have the nerve pain, and then one more 562 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 3: to evaluate the nerve damage in my arm. So yeah, 563 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,959 Speaker 3: recovery has been a whawind. There has been physical therapy 564 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 3: here and there, but overall I've had such a great 565 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 3: medical team, both in Kansas City and in Iowa City. 566 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 3: So I'm just so thankful and grateful that I have 567 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 3: people that care and are, you know, taking me seriously 568 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 3: and here to help me for real. 569 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: Well, it's good to know that Kansas City got something 570 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: good going on over there. Yeah. Yeah, So how does 571 00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: it make you feel when you see discouraging you about? 572 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, in the beginning, the scars didn't really bother me 573 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 3: as much. My only scar that ever really bothered me 574 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 3: was the one on my arm because it's visible if 575 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 3: I wear a short sleeve shirt and it's quite long, 576 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 3: it goes down quite a ways, and there's some days 577 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 3: I look at the scars and you know, you know, 578 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 3: sometimes I just break down because it's like damn, like 579 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 3: this shit really happened to me. But then other days 580 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 3: I'm able to remember that it's just a sign of 581 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 3: how strong my body was. It kept me alive, it 582 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 3: kept my heart beating. That's like these scars like just 583 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 3: you know, I look at them and they're reminders that 584 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 3: I'm here for a reason, my body for a reason, 585 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 3: and like it wasn't given out. They were like, you 586 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 3: were probably like on the survival, you know, like I 587 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 3: was stubborn, Like when I was in the hospital, I 588 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 3: was like, take this tube on my throat. I was 589 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 3: like do this, do that, like I'm ready to go. 590 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 3: And they were just so happy to see that I 591 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 3: had so much like motivation to like heal myself and 592 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 3: get you know, past everything. 593 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: They were like, that's that's what's sending you over the 594 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: top right here. Yes, what's going to help you. You 595 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 2: know this this mindset. 596 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 3: So I try to keep that with the scars in 597 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 3: mind too, like they're just reminders of how strong my 598 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 3: body is. 599 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: How old are you? If you mind me asking, I will. 600 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: Be twenty six next week, next Sunday. 601 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: Oh you're in the quaryus. 602 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: I am, yeah, me too. 603 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: My birthday is on February the eighth. 604 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: Okay, mine's on the fourth. Okay, yes, I. 605 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: Say, you are going to do amazing things. It's no 606 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: way that you survive this and not to out to 607 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: come out and do something that's going to really help 608 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people out. So I'm so happy that 609 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: we connected because I can tell you a fire but 610 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: a lot of the Querias are, at least the women are, 611 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Yeah, no, that's amazing. So were you 612 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: involved in the legal process, Like did you have to 613 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: provide a statement or like how was that going? How 614 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: was that for you? 615 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? So legal process it was. It was very long. 616 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 3: As I think if anyone has ever dealt with the 617 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 3: legal system, they know like that shit takes time. So 618 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 3: it wasn't until this past April. No, hold on this 619 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 3: past I don't know. It was very recent that I 620 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 3: attended the sentencing. Oh, actually it was this this year 621 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 3: January earlier this month was the sentencing. Yeah, and it 622 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 3: ended up getting sentenced to fifteen years. 623 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry. It was at the end of December. Yeah, 624 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 2: very end of December. Yeah, he was sentenced to fifteen years. 625 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 3: I did write a witness statement or impact statement, and 626 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 3: I did share that in court. 627 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: Wait, how did it come about? Like how did you 628 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: get to that part? Like did they reach out to you? 629 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: Did this happen again? 630 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 3: So with everything that the only way they were they 631 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 3: caught him because of the dash came in my car. Okay, 632 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,239 Speaker 3: So after that, I guess he tried to, you know, 633 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 3: ditch the car or something, but then ended up finding 634 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 3: him because they could see his face clearly. 635 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 2: On my dash him. 636 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: So they found him and once he was arrested, they 637 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 3: told me I was still in the hospital at the time. 638 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 3: It was three days after the shooting that they arrested him, 639 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 3: and eventually down the line we had a meeting, one 640 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 3: legal meeting, mediation, and then later on we actually had 641 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: like the sentencing, which was at the end of December, 642 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 3: and I had a victim advocate who worked with me 643 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 3: every step of the way. Just give me me, let 644 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 3: me know what was going on. You know why things 645 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: were taking so long. It's just the legal system is 646 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 3: just backed up, as we know. 647 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 2: But yeah, it was. It felt definitely empowering. 648 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: It was a moment where I felt like I could 649 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 3: at least take back a piece. 650 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: Of well, I've lost since it happened. 651 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: Being able to read my impact statement, But yeah, it was. 652 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 3: It was a lot, and I'm just glad that that 653 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 3: part is over with. It's just one less thing, you know, 654 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 3: that keeps a negative reminder of, you know, that day, 655 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 3: and I want to focus on the positive, the good 656 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 3: things that continue to come out of what happened. 657 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts, which I'm sure you do, 658 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: on how the legal system can be approved to better 659 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: support survivors? 660 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness, you would you? 661 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: So you was a pretty large And before you answer that, 662 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: are you going back to. 663 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 3: School or like, I want to as soon as I 664 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 3: get the physical conditions under control, I want to go back. 665 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 2: But yeah, because I'm gonna. 666 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 3: Do your damn thing now, Like, yeah, yeah, I have 667 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 3: a story to tell, you know, and back me up. 668 00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 3: So first things first, for sure, we gotta start with 669 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 3: gun laws, guidelines, regulations. I started a petition and in 670 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 3: that petition I demand that there be physical, mental, and 671 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 3: emotional evaluations for anyone wanting to purchase a firearm in 672 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 3: that the age restrictions are from twenty five to sixty five. 673 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: Years of age. 674 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: Because we see. 675 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 2: How you know, on both extreme both sides. 676 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 3: How younger individuals may get you know, firearms and use 677 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 3: them irresponsibly, and the same thing with older individuals who 678 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 3: use them in responsibly. But for sure, I think another 679 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 3: step would to be start with having a attempted murder statue. 680 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 3: Missouri does not have an attempted murder statue, which is 681 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 3: why this man did not get as much time as. 682 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: He promised year. 683 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: Right, like you shot me seven times. 684 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 3: But in the end I had to like make peace 685 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 3: with it because from what I was learning, like fifteen 686 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 3: to twenty two was going to be like the range 687 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 3: like no more, no less than that, really, so I 688 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 3: kind of had to just understand, like because of like 689 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 3: how Missouri is set up, like that is what it is. 690 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:13,280 Speaker 2: At this point. 691 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: So if somebody was to not to count up, but 692 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: if somebody was to kill somebody, how many how much 693 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: time do they get in Missouri? 694 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 3: I'm not sure about that, but it's attempted murder, so 695 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 3: like the because he attempted to murder me, there's no 696 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 3: statue on that. So if you were to murder someone, 697 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 3: I think thirty actually I think it is thirty for 698 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 3: I'm still. 699 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: Not enough time, how much? I yeah, that's crazy. 700 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 3: I think thirty of the life just depending on I 701 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 3: guess the circumstances. 702 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's life for real, Yeah, because like 703 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: I can't come back if something was to happen to me, so. 704 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 3: Right, exactly, And that's that's the crazy part about it, 705 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 3: is to have it happen to you and you live 706 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 3: through it and then needs to to deal with all 707 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 3: the bullshit on top of that, right, you know, from 708 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 3: the legal side, from the recovery side, financial side, it's 709 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 3: it's a lot. 710 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: For sure, right, right, So when did you discover that 711 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: he had a mental health issue? 712 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 3: So I think it wasn't until like later on after 713 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 3: mediation and stuff from then, but just knowing that, I 714 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 3: guess I think where I remember seeing like when I 715 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 3: learned that and seeing him again at like the sentencing, 716 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, it just kind of brought the 717 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 3: human side back. 718 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: To him and. 719 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 3: I told him that I forgave him. Oh yapoke, I 720 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 3: told him I forgave him, and just seeing like, I 721 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know if it's remorse, you know, 722 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 3: I don't know. I'd probably be scared in handcuffs and 723 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 3: a jumpsuit, you know about to go to prison. I 724 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 3: don't know if it's just fear, but I was like, 725 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 3: I forgive you. You need to forgive yourself, and like 726 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,919 Speaker 3: because I don't, I don't have that space to hold 727 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 3: hate in my heart, like it like literally it could 728 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 3: kill me. 729 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 2: Like I can't my stress levels. I got to keep 730 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 2: them down, you know. Right. 731 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 3: So just to the legal system, you know it definitely 732 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 3: it needs better ways of supporting survivors and definitely better 733 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 3: statutes and guidelines when it comes to anything firearm related, 734 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 3: because we all know in America it is, it is 735 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 3: quite an issue gun violence is it runs rampant here 736 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 3: and you know, and. 737 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a really really huge intersection when it 738 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: comes to gun violence and mental health. 739 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 3: Yep, really you know, just yeah, it's not just about 740 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 3: protecting those you know who have mental health conditions, it's 741 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 3: about protecting everybody. Yeah, Like even for myself, Like from this, 742 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 3: I have obviously developed PETA. Like I can say for myself, 743 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 3: in no way, shape or form, do I need to 744 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 3: be in possession of a firearm. I went through something 745 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 3: so traumatic and I you know, at times with PTSD, 746 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 3: you don't know when you can get triggered. 747 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you had a child, right, Like, we. 748 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 3: Got to take this shit seriously. We really open our eyes, 749 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 3: make noise so that these you know, politicians, lawmakers like 750 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 3: see and like understand like situations like mine. Unfortunately, they're 751 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 3: not as rare as you think they are. And that's 752 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 3: probably one of the scariest things, these random isolated events 753 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 3: and then individuals who are not able to handle a 754 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 3: firearm responsibly. 755 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: Right when you first saw him, Like, what did you think, 756 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: like before you told him that you forgave him? 757 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 3: So I think just my brain's like natural response, you know, 758 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 3: Like it was fear initially, Like I remember like hiding, 759 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 3: trying to hide behind my husband, Like I saw him 760 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 3: and I just got scared. Yeah, like just kind of 761 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 3: learning about who he was and like I don't know 762 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,919 Speaker 3: and like just who I am. Just trying to make 763 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 3: the best of this, right, not continue to focus on 764 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 3: all the negative that comes out of it, because there's 765 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 3: a lot. So just being able to want to move 766 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 3: forward and like say those words, I forgive you, and 767 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 3: those are words and allow myself to fully like forgive 768 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 3: him and like learn that what happened, No, it was 769 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 3: not okay, right, he damn near ended my life but 770 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 3: at the end of it, I'm still here. So I'm 771 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 3: not gonna shut the fuck up. I'm gonnakeep, make annoyed, 772 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 3: and I'm gonna for change like this. It was unacceptable 773 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 3: what happened. I forgive the shooter. I forgive the person 774 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 3: that shot me, but let's make sure this ship doesn't 775 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 3: keep happening. 776 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 2: It doesn't need to keep happening. 777 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: And that's why I'm And did he say anything back 778 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: to you? 779 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 3: So basically the only thing I was told was like 780 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:09,959 Speaker 3: he thought I was someone else? 781 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: Yo, you know, so crazy when you was talking. I'm like, 782 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: he probably thought you was somebody else. 783 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the only explanation I got. 784 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 3: I don't know if I fully believe that, but I'm 785 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 3: gonna take it because there's nothing else I can do, 786 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 3: you know, Like I'm trying to put that side of it, 787 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 3: put him behind me, you know, I don't know. 788 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: Wow, So how does this change your perspective on forgiveness? 789 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 3: Like, you know, I feel like I've typically been one 790 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 3: to forgive, just because I don't want to hold on 791 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 3: to that negativity. I want to be able to just 792 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 3: like let that shit go and just really just focus 793 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 3: on the bright side of things and try to keep 794 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 3: moving forward. Like I'm not perfect by any means. Like, 795 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, I've had my days like I 796 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 3: hate this, I hate you, I hate that, you know, 797 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 3: like I'm not having it. But I think forgiveness is 798 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 3: so it's not it's not for the other. 799 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: Persons, it's for you. 800 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 2: Fact. 801 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, So that you can make peace with what's happened 802 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 3: to you or what's been done to you and be 803 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 3: able to keep moving forwards, because that's what I want 804 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 3: to do. I don't want to let what happened to 805 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 3: me hold me back. 806 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. So what do you think we can do about 807 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: road rage? Because I just feel like, like in your case, 808 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: you didn't do anything wrong, but you know, in some cases, 809 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,760 Speaker 1: like road rage really do bring out the works in niggas. 810 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. So with road rage specifically, I think probably the 811 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 2: best thing we could do is to remember not to 812 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 2: drive distracted. 813 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 3: I think a lot of times, at least what I 814 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 3: noticed from being out in Kansas City, a lot of 815 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 3: people text and drive, and I've noticed, you know, people 816 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,359 Speaker 3: tend to like swerve or you know, stuff like that. 817 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 3: It's very easy for some people to just like go 818 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 3: from zero to one hundred and like take that as 819 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 3: you're trying to do something, you know. 820 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 2: So I think one of the best. 821 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 3: Things we could do probably to start with less distracted 822 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 3: driving and then from there, I'm not quite sure where 823 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,399 Speaker 3: to go, but I think that's that's probably the first 824 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 3: step in just remembering like everybody on the road has 825 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 3: a place to go, so let's just get there safely. 826 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: Like yeah, the story, are you back driving? Like are 827 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,399 Speaker 1: you comfortable with driving again? 828 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? 829 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 3: I could not wait to start driving again. So like 830 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,800 Speaker 3: my therapist the doctors that were like, you're not afraid 831 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,760 Speaker 3: to drive? And I was like no, like that that's 832 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 3: my piece of independence. Like once I turn eighteen, like 833 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 3: in my parents' house, like that was it, Like I 834 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 3: have my license, Like I was good to go, you know, right, So, 835 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 3: like driving has always been part of my independence. And 836 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 3: I will say like I will say, going out in 837 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 3: public has been an adjustment. I'm still learning to like 838 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,760 Speaker 3: be more comfortable and rooms with other people because I've 839 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 3: developed this fear of feeling unsafe. 840 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my last question about how do you protect yourself? 841 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: Like do you feel safe? Like do you feel comfortable? 842 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, It's been a work in progress. I have a 843 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,439 Speaker 3: really great therapist, so he's helping me, you know, work 844 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 3: through this. But I definitely I don't always feel safe, 845 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 3: and you know, also living in a predominantly white area, 846 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 3: I don't always feel the safest. So it's kind of 847 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 3: like two things kind of working at play, you know, 848 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 3: working against me, it feels like sometimes, but little by little, 849 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 3: I'm learning to be more comfortable going out. Like I 850 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 3: can go out and grocery shop, but if you try 851 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 3: to get me to sit down with five people, I 852 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 3: don't know, it's not going to happen. 853 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 2: Like I have to be able to see my exits. 854 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 2: I have to be able. 855 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 3: This is all PTSD, so like I got to be 856 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 3: able to escape if I need to. But I'm working 857 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 3: through it. It is definitely really hard because I can't 858 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 3: just trust people. But it is a journey for a reason, 859 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 3: so it's up down. 860 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, has your own relationship with your friends changed? Like, yeah, 861 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,280 Speaker 1: I can imagine. 862 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,479 Speaker 3: In the beginning, So out in Kansas City, my husband 863 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 3: and I had just recently moved there, so we weren't 864 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 3: there too long, so we didn't know too many people, 865 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 3: but like friends from back home and stuff, I would 866 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 3: just reach. 867 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 2: Out to them. 868 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 3: They would reach out to me, make sure I'm okay, 869 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 3: stuff like that. But definitely it seemed that people don't 870 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 3: really quite know how to talk to you or interact 871 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 3: you after something so horrific. So I definitely haven't heard 872 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 3: from some friends and quite some time. But otherwise there's 873 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 3: other people that have been here and you know, they're 874 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 3: here to stay, and they're like, I got you, like 875 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,399 Speaker 3: no matter what you need, So I'm very great with them. 876 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: How does that make you feel about the ones you 877 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 1: haven't heard from? 878 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,439 Speaker 3: You know, I have learned over time to not take 879 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 3: it personally. People deal with trauma and you know, horrendous 880 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 3: things in their own way, and some people just have 881 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 3: to pull away and get away. And you know what, 882 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,360 Speaker 3: I try not to hold that against people. I get it. 883 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 1: It's hard, no, it is. So how do you like, 884 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: do you have to? 885 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 2: Like? 886 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: What do you do when it comes to having conversations 887 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: about mental health? Because I feel like mental health has recently. 888 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: I mean, but I was your age, mental health was 889 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: like non existent, Like when you talk about mental health, 890 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: people thought you was crazy. So in today's age, people 891 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, mental health is like you know, 892 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,479 Speaker 1: investing yourself, like take care of yourself, make sure you're good. 893 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: So now that you have your own you know, I'm 894 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 1: pretty sure you have your struggles with mental health and 895 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: then especially with this situation, they heighten. And then also 896 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,399 Speaker 1: just taking consideration of the person who did this till 897 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: you had mental health issues, like how do you have 898 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: conversations with people about this? 899 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 2: Oh? My goodness. 900 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 3: So when it comes to mental health, it just I 901 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 3: have to I try to remind people like it it's 902 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 3: a spectrum. 903 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 2: Like it's some days. 904 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,879 Speaker 3: I'll give you an example, like some days I'm good 905 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,320 Speaker 3: to go, I'm running errands and cleaning the whole house, 906 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 3: right on top of the world. But then other days 907 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 3: I can't stop crying, you know, I can't get out 908 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,439 Speaker 3: of bed, like I'm struggling. Yeah, So when I talk 909 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 3: to people about it, I'm just real and I'm like, look, 910 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 3: I have my good days, I have my bad days, 911 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 3: and just try to like remind people, like, regardless of 912 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,320 Speaker 3: what you've been through, big trauma, little trauma, like, we're. 913 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 2: All working through shit. We're all trying. 914 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,720 Speaker 3: To, you know, work to develop and become our best selves. 915 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 3: So I just tried to remind myself and you know, 916 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 3: anyone that asks like look easier said than done. But 917 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 3: the really the key is giving yourself grace. That is, 918 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 3: do not be so hard on yourself. And I am 919 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 3: still learning this. I am still working so hard to 920 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 3: you know, take it easy on myself. But that's like 921 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,479 Speaker 3: the biggest takeaway I've learned so far is like, give 922 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 3: yourself grace, Like nobody else is going to give it 923 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 3: to you freely, you know sometimes so you have to 924 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 3: be your biggest advocate and you know, the person that 925 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 3: loves you most, so you know, give yourself grace and 926 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 3: be kind to yourself. 927 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and last but not least, if you would have died, 928 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 1: could you say you live your life to the fullest? 929 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,720 Speaker 3: Absolutely not, which is why now for all time, anything 930 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,759 Speaker 3: and everything I can. 931 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you outside now right. 932 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:20,360 Speaker 2: I'm outside. 933 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 1: Do you think about it? 934 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 2: Oh? Hell yeah? 935 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,840 Speaker 3: Like I now, like I'm in my yes. 936 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 2: Era right Like I'm saying, yes, I'm ready to go. 937 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 3: Like I have a friend that I met through the 938 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 3: Change Maker summon and everything about gun violence, and so 939 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 3: we're already like planning to like book trips. I've never 940 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 3: been out of the country, so I'm like, oh, yeah, 941 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 3: take me to Jamaica, Take me to New Zealand. 942 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 2: I don't care. Let's go. Yeah, right, you don't have 943 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,840 Speaker 2: any money, but I'm ready, right, right right. 944 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,840 Speaker 1: Figure out when I was your age, I didn't have 945 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,839 Speaker 1: no money and I did a lot. So you say 946 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: my age, you. 947 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,800 Speaker 2: Look so young. I thought were the same age. 948 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 1: I know, I know. Oh you know what's so crazy? 949 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: You turn in twenties? It right, twenty six, twenty six, 950 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: I have eleven years on you. Okay, okay, yeah, good, 951 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: thank you, I know, right, thank you, thank you, thank you. 952 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 953 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 1: Well, I'm so happy we had this conversation. I'm just 954 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,880 Speaker 1: so proud of you, Like you didn't give up, like 955 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: you're still going, Like I really do believe that there's 956 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 1: a reason why you are still here. And I just 957 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 1: can't wait for us to do a follow up a 958 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 1: couple of years from now. And you're just like, I'm 959 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 1: doing this. I'm doing that because there's a reason why. 960 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,879 Speaker 1: You hear, there's no way that you would have made 961 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: that with all the complicationship that you have, and you 962 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: flat line and here you are. So I'm I'm really 963 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: happy we had this conversation. 964 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,880 Speaker 3: Thank you, me too, and thank you so much. This 965 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 3: was so like comfortable and easy and you're so sweet, 966 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 3: so thank you. 967 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 1: Thank you listening y'all. When I tell y'all, I was 968 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:55,400 Speaker 1: running home because I'm never late for a conversation. I'm like, yo, 969 00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:00,399 Speaker 1: New York trains are trash sometimes, but happens, it happens, right, 970 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 1: And like I said to the listeners, you know, y'all 971 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: know y'all been with me for a very long time, 972 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 1: but this is the second time I am doing this. 973 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: So if you would love to support our guests on 974 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,920 Speaker 1: her journey, please reach out to me at Hello at 975 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 1: the psgpodcast dot com and I will share with you 976 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: her go fund me links. So let's be generous. Now, 977 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: let's be a blessing to others so we can get 978 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,800 Speaker 1: a blessing in return. Now, okay, and to my guests, 979 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,680 Speaker 1: thank you so much. I appreciate you and I would 980 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: definitely be checking in with you. And happy early birthday, Thank. 981 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 2: You so much, and happy early birthday to you. Thank 982 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 2: you for having me. This was awesome. 983 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: Yes, And to the listeners, if you have any questions, comments, 984 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,320 Speaker 1: to concerns, please make sure to email me at hello 985 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:46,080 Speaker 1: at the pgpodcast dot com. And until next time, everyone, later, 986 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: you're not gonna say bye Oh Bye. 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