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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. Here's job, there's Jerry.

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Speaker 1: Dave's not here, but we're thinking of him. So it's

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Speaker 1: short stuff. Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Can I start this with an anecdote?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, in the mid nineteen nineties, a young, scrappy, young

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Speaker 2: student at Ohio University named Emily Sinobocan did her senior

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Speaker 2: telecommunications film project on what was called at the time.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what they call it at the time.

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Speaker 2: Actually it had a lot of names over the years,

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Speaker 2: but the Athens Lunatic Asylum or the Athens Hospital for

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Speaker 2: the Insane. Oh wow, right there in Athens, Ohio, where

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Speaker 2: my wife went to college. And she said, I tried

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Speaker 2: to do a spooky sort of ghosty thing and it

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Speaker 2: didn't turn out so great. But that was her senior project.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. I'd love to see that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would do.

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Speaker 1: Actually, oh, you haven't.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't know if she still has that stuff.

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Speaker 2: I should ask.

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Speaker 1: Well, she does, and she's willing to let me see it.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to It's probably like beta tape or something

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Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, you said this hospital, the State hospital, had names,

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Speaker 1: many names over the years. It started out as the

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Speaker 1: Athens Lunatic Asylum when it was opened in eighteen seventy

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Speaker 1: four and it ran all the way to nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 1: And when it opened, it was one of those giant, Gothic,

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Speaker 1: amazing nineteenth century mental hospitals. And I didn't know this,

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Speaker 1: But there was a guy who basically came up with

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Speaker 1: the blueprint for these things. His name was doctor Thomas

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Speaker 1: Story Kirkbride, and he basically said, hey, you know how

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Speaker 1: we keep the mentally ill chained in basements in jails.

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Speaker 1: Now we should not do that. We should do the opposite.

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Speaker 1: We should build huge hospitals on big, rambling, beautiful grounds

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Speaker 1: the moral treatment of the insane. That's really what we

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Speaker 1: And he literally wrote the book I and changed everything.

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Speaker 1: So when you see those amazing old institutes or institutions,

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Speaker 1: I should say, they all basically follow this pattern that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about him on another episode for sure. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: But Emily said that there were and I couldn't find

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Speaker 2: there were ponds on the campus that were in the

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Speaker 2: shape of playing card suits, and that's the one thing

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Speaker 1: Sure, that's a weird thing to just suddenly make up

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Speaker 2: And now that I'm looking at the date, I mean

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Speaker 2: that's what it's called now. Yeah, because Ohio University has

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Speaker 2: But none of that has to do with our story,

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Speaker 2: which is a story of Margaret Shilling, who was a

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Speaker 2: fifty three year old woman. At the time, not a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we should say that, like this is one of

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Speaker 2: That's right, so they called a code round, which meant

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Speaker 2: someone as missing. We need to go search this sprawling,

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Speaker 1: Yes, how much does seven hundred thousand square feet translate

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Speaker 2: All right, So where we left off, there was a

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I didn't know how you knew that, but yes,

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Speaker 1: that's odd that they didn't find her if they searched everywhere.

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Speaker 2: You know, well, they clearly didn't search everywhere.

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Speaker 1: But they because they couldn't find her. Did you say

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Speaker 1: the police were called in? Eventually, no, Okay, So the

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Speaker 1: I think that you have an escape patient on your hands.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was pretty distressing what comes next, because

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Speaker 2: she was found unclosed with her clothes beside her, folded

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Speaker 2: But what is really sort of key to this story

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you have a body that decomposes over

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, you can look up this picture

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, like this this was like if

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Speaker 1: Like when you're in college, it's prime time for that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what I'm curious about is if that room. Obviously

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Speaker 1: There was a group called Preservation Works that's dedicated to

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean what the alternative is just you know,

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Speaker 1: college students breaking in and touching it and dying afterward.

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Speaker 1: That's the legend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean, like an indelible mark left

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Speaker 1: It's almost like you made a mad libs for a

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Speaker 1: ghost story lot, you know. Yeah, uh, you got anything else?

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Speaker 2: I got nothing else?

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Speaker 1: Well, rip Margaret Shilling. And I think since I said

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