1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: I am all In. I Am all in with Scott 2 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast Everybody Scott Patterson, I 3 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Am all In Podcast. We are joined by Danielle Tara Amy. 4 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: This is part two of our discussions going Well, I'm 5 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: feeling good, Kirk, good, isn't she great? Oh? She's like, 6 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna get into a little Luke laurelized stuff because 7 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: I think we uh, we ignored that a little bit. 8 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: We get a little we get at a little bit, 9 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, a little sidecard over there. Um, let's let's 10 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: hop on the big motorcycle and rev that engine. Here 11 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: we go the uh the Luke and laurel Iz with 12 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: with Kim Kirk of Dallas, Texas. Kim, let me ask 13 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: you a question. Yes, why don't people get out of 14 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: their relationships first? And then if they've met someone? Great questions? 15 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: Really interested? Yeah, great questions? Why do they have affairs? 16 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: Why do people have affairs? Why do they not disengage 17 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: from their current relationship, whether there it's a committed relationship 18 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: or a marriage, and then go and say, and you know, 19 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: be upfront and say, I'm I'm leaving. I haven't done 20 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: anything with this other person, but I'm going to and 21 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: bye bye and let's split the assets and then they 22 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: go off and do that. Why don't people do that? Uh, 23 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons. And I always think about 24 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: that every time I watch one of those murder shows. 25 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 1: I'm like, divorce them. There there are a lot of reasons. Sometimes, 26 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: you know, if you grew up maybe if you grew 27 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: up in in divorce is just unacceptable. Yeah, that's that's 28 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: one I can't. I can't, So I'll just have this 29 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: little side action over here, I think. And I also 30 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: think a lot of people are scared of what's gonna 31 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: happen if I tell this person this is just not 32 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: working for it. What they're scared of is a lot 33 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: of things. And you know, and again if we look 34 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: at you know, if we go back into like attachment 35 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: and we're looking at the parts of them that are scared. 36 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: Is it my you know, thirty five year old part, 37 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: or is it a ten year old part that when 38 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: I tried to state how I felt got slammed. You know, 39 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: all of these factors are in there. And you know, 40 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 1: of course we can talk about finances that that could 41 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: definitely be an issue. But I've seen people, I've seen 42 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: people you know, um, have affairs and knowing they're gonna 43 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: get caught so that it can be ended and they 44 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: don't have to you know, where you force the partner 45 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: to kind of go, you know, I can be in 46 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: this relationship. So true. Yeah, So, so there's a lot 47 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: of factors in there. But I think people get really 48 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: scared of am I responsible for this other person's feeling? 49 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt this other person. I don't. Yeah, 50 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: there's there's a million and I think there's just so 51 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: many reasons why somebody won't just be Honestum, it really 52 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: is going to and I think your family of origin 53 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: is going to have a big impact on it. You know. 54 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: Some I've known people that you know where it's it's 55 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: a completely unhealthy relationship, maybe not even safe. But we 56 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: don't get divorced. We don't get divorced. And some people 57 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: are just gonna accept it. We don't get divorced, and 58 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna, you know, I'm just gonna have some 59 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: fun over here or something. So here's a follow up. 60 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: Since nobody does it that way, they do have the 61 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: affair right, Some people do it right. Yeah, some people do. Okay, 62 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: So that's the question do you in your experience, what 63 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: is the percentage of people doing it right versus doing 64 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: it and having the affair? And what is this tendency 65 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: for people um to moralize about it, like if you 66 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: do it, this is the way you should do it, 67 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: and nobody really does it that way because of all 68 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: of the complications and considerations that you have just illuminated, 69 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: Why do people feel the need to moralize about it 70 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: and preached other people? You know that you did wrong 71 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: and you're less of a human being because you did it, 72 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: and because most of the people do with that? That's fascinating? 73 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: Is that? Ting? Is that? So are you asking me 74 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: if if someone's having like some kind of marital issue, 75 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: what is it with Like if I was to say, 76 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, how dare you do this? Okay? Yeah, what 77 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: is this tendency? Yes in somebody I'm not saying you personally, 78 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: but in people that are outside of the circle or 79 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: outside of the situation just hearing about them that's a 80 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: horrible thing to do. Again, you know again there from 81 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: in one of the therapies that I work with is 82 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: called internal family systems. We literally talk about parts of me, 83 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: parts of me doing that Sometimes that's a protective part 84 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: of me. You know, that's so bad. That's so bad. 85 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: I would never do that. I would never do that. 86 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: So I'm, you know, to ensure my own safety. I'm 87 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: gonna make sure that you know that everybody knows that's 88 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: a horrible thing, you know, for my own protection, right right, 89 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: I compared to why we're all like, oh, look at 90 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: those vander Pump knows people, and we're all just judging him, 91 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: judging him, judging him. Look at that idiot. I can't 92 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: believe he did this, and old blah blah, because it 93 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: makes us feel better about ourselves, like, oh, it's not 94 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: as big of a trend wreck as those. I wouldn't 95 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: never do that. That's I'm always like, that's the kiss 96 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: of death. I never say I would never do anything. 97 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a couple of things I know I'm 98 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: not gonna do. But but but but it's it's a 99 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: dangerous space to be, but it is a protective place 100 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: to be. Like you said, Amy, it can make you 101 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: feel make you feel better, yeah, make you feel safer. 102 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: Only only those kind of people do that. I think 103 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: there's another thing too that Scott and Danielle and I 104 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: were all talking about um, you know during the last 105 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: couple of days. It is still also a TV show 106 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: in like Danielle and I were talking earlier, like Harry, Right, 107 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: Harry cheated on Aiden with Big now Morley, was that 108 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: the right thing to do? No, but I loved it 109 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: because I wanted her to be with Big. So I 110 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: remember watching it and being kind of thrilled about it 111 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: because I and so I do think, like because there's 112 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people that are team Dean. Right, Well, 113 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: if you're team Dean, then your team this guy who 114 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: just cheated on his wife. Because I would argue this 115 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: and I this might stir up a lot of drama, 116 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: but like who's more wrong, Rory or Dean Dean? Rory's 117 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: not married. Yeah, I know, yeah, but there you can 118 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: still two things can be true, Like I can still 119 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: love it and like on a watch every set. So yeah, 120 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: just ask you ask yourself and I we Amy and 121 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: I talked about this earlier about how boring would Gilmore 122 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: Girls be if everybody happened appropriately all of the time, 123 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: there would be nothing to watch. Yeah, it's yeah, we 124 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: have to, like you said, all the time, we have 125 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: to have drama or there is nothing Oh okay, look 126 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,239 Speaker 1: at Laura lie together. Did you see that second episode 127 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: where they kind of flirted and then they got together. 128 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: Now and they're dating, and but just think of all 129 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: of the drama and moreover, the comedy that this incident 130 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: at the end of season four will set up going forward. Yes, 131 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: it is. It is the gold that a dramatist praise for. 132 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: They can, they can, they can divine this, they can 133 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: write this, they can come up with this. It's just 134 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: like the perfect flawed characters and we're gonna forgive them 135 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: because they're young, well and per usual. We love the 136 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: brilliant I think it's brilliant. It's brilliant trauma. Think you guys, 137 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: you guys, everybody was tuning in for this, you know, 138 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: for this episode. I mean obviously for the kiss, but 139 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: the next one they're gonna want to know, Yeah, the 140 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: kiss and then what's going on with with Rory. That's 141 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: exactly right, and that's what it's gonna bring up. So, like, 142 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: you know, when you're like looking at something, let's say 143 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: your Instagram, and there's one thousand nice comments and one 144 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: mean one, and you're completely taken sideways by the mean one, 145 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: Like you think you look beautiful. You look, you look beautiful, beautiful, 146 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: your outfit sucks and you're fat, and that person is 147 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: undone by it, right, So same thing here. It's like, 148 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: we there's so many good things in this episode, right, 149 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: we haven't even talked to you yet about the kiss, 150 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: which I do want to before you have to go, 151 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: but we're completely undone by the drama, which is just 152 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: the human nature too. You're like, you can't help but 153 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: gravitate towards that. Yeah, well yeah, and then it's yeah, 154 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: what you're just describing as the negativity bias and uh. 155 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: That's another theory that says that back in the earliest 156 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: days of man, it was more important to know what 157 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: was gonna kill you versus what you like. So you like, 158 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,599 Speaker 1: you said, you can have you can have a you know, 159 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: an okay day, and then you know, okay day, and 160 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: then someone pulled out in front of you and then 161 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, what are you telling your you know, 162 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: friend or your partner or whatever. You get home this 163 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: jerk did this, and all right, go sideways John Gottman 164 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: and I don't know if if you guys it's okay. 165 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: It's as psychologist, but he works a lot in the 166 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: marriage and divorce. He's one of the people that can 167 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: like spot a divorce and by communication. But John John 168 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: Gottman uses the negativity bias and a lot of his work, 169 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: so he's the one. If you've ever if you've ever 170 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: heard this before, it takes like five positives to undo 171 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: one negative a thousand positives exactly because it's sticks h 172 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: negative is like velcro. Positive is kind of a tef line. Yeah, 173 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: that's why, that's why, that's why we have to layer 174 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: on the positives. You know, and you're talking about like 175 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: with kids and stuff, you really want to catch them 176 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: when they're doing the right things. Well, that's probably why 177 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: Rory's so undone because she's just gotten all this criticism 178 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: from her mom, so she's going desperately to find the 179 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: positive and calling Dean and then she's Lindsay answers, she's 180 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: just undone. All right, enough about that trollop, Let's talk 181 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: about the Let's talk about Luke. Okay, let's talk about Luke. 182 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: Let's okay, two questions, Kim, are Luke and Laurel are 183 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: well suited? And what took Luke so long? What's this problem? 184 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: Or is this another another example of safety. I want 185 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: to say this, There there definitely there definitely is some 186 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: aspects that makes them that can make them a really 187 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: good couple. And they both come from trauma, and from 188 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: what I can tell so far on the show, it's 189 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: not resolved. So we are going to expect that there's 190 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: going to be some issues between these two. Loralai is 191 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: guarded and she has a way of being guarded in 192 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: the world, and she doesn't trust a lot of people, 193 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: if you notice even in that you know, I think 194 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: we talked on that other time we met, and she 195 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,599 Speaker 1: she loves the people in town, but she's not that 196 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: super close to a lot of people, right. It's close 197 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: to Suki and she's close to Luke, which is developed. 198 00:11:54,160 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: Luke it's guarded his world. It's like you said before, Scott, 199 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: you said, it's pretty structured, and there's there's it's opening 200 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: up a little bit if you're noticed, like he's taking 201 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: care of Kirk, It's sisters in town and and and 202 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: you know, Jess has probably opened up some things for 203 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: him as well. But but there's still I see Luke 204 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: as being very protected too. He kind of steps forward 205 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: a little bit and he's quick to move back if 206 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: it didn't feel safe, So they both have that the 207 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: difficulty in that relationship is it again, if we're not 208 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: aware of our experience, we can keep kind of bumping 209 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: into the same thing. We can we can re injure, 210 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: we can have a lot of re injuries, we can 211 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: injure each other protecting ourselves or what the poets referred 212 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: to as the repellent atoms of love, right something right? Um? Yeah, 213 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: it is interesting and and it does mask a or 214 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 1: ten to mask a very powerful attraction they have for 215 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: one another, and which is palpable, which is undeniable, which 216 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: neither of them can turn away from for very long. Um, 217 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: would you say that Luke is because he's now you know, 218 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: prepared himself, sought some therapy through tapes in a book. Okay, 219 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: do you think that he has any chance whatsoever to 220 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 1: survive that experience if it goes And I know you've 221 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: probably seen the rest of the seasons and you see 222 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: what happens. But I mean, in the real world, if 223 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: you take a real world couple that's a lot like this, 224 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: and you don't know the outcome, you know, is Luke 225 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: ever going to be accepted or fit into a Gilmore 226 00:13:52,760 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: dynasty at Gilmore family Laura Gilmore, Rory Gilmore. Yes, because 227 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: remember you know she grew up to sixteen and this 228 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: wealth and privilege, and she spent the next sixteen plus, 229 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: however old. She is now in Stars Hollow and that 230 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: is her home and that is where she's comfortable. So 231 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: and I think in that environment he can fit in 232 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: with with those gilmoresh what are you thinking? The only 233 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: think he's in huge trouble when he walks into that mansion. 234 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: I just think that's the place he's That water's too 235 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: deep for him. Yeah, it's it's a very And and 236 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: again why I think he's safe at Laureliz's house is 237 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: because she's tried really hard not to be like that, 238 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: and she's really comfortable in there. But she also she 239 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: can she can do the uh the other Gilmore's pretty well, 240 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: but she doesn't want to live there. She doesn't. That's 241 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: why I think they have a shot. And they do 242 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: like each other. And again traumas aside, they do like 243 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: each other. They do have really good chemistry. There's stress there, 244 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: there's streuss there, there's a connection there even in friendship. 245 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: So there's there's a lot of things that I think 246 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: could be working in their favor. How do you think 247 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: they're similar? I see Laurelay is extremely tough. She's tough. Yeah, 248 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: she's tough as nails like Lucas. But they also they 249 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: show up very differently. They're tough as nails, but also 250 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: underneath that is really a lot as soft. Do you 251 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: guys see that a lot of Laura liking when you 252 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: see her hurt, it's big, it's big. And Luke I 253 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: think Lucas soft. Yeah, Luke works really hard not to 254 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: be hurt too. Yeah. You can see it, um with 255 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: how he is with his sister, you know, for all 256 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: the stuff. Yeah, absolutely with Yes, now he had to 257 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: be kind of tough with Jess and then when he 258 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: realized but now yeah, but I think he took him 259 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: in because he saw yeah. Yeah. Do you think do 260 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: you think the way that and in general, when there's 261 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: a sibling or a sister, a brother who is trying 262 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: to take care of a sister who has obviously obvious 263 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: addiction problems, and what that does to a family, and 264 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: what that does to the heart of a brother who 265 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: is not necessarily given up all hope but just has 266 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: accepted it. You're talking about accepted it as how she 267 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: is now, and then how that's affected Luke, well, how 268 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: it's affected his relationships with other people, and how it's like, 269 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: you know, at one time they were close and now 270 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: they're not and it's because she's you know, chasing the 271 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: white dragon or yeah again, yeah Luke, if we don't, 272 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: or how addiction affects families, Yeah, how addiction can destroy afamily, 273 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: whether it's alcohol or whether it's drugs, and and so 274 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: that element is introduced into the Gilmore Show, and it's 275 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: not really discussed for right now, but it's like it's 276 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: part of it. Part it's part of what makes Luke 277 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: Luke so my therapist brain when I you know, when 278 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: we we have to assume with his sister Liz, uh, 279 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: she got pregnant early too because she's the younger sister. 280 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: Rory and Jess are about the same age too, So 281 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: we have to I have to look and say, well, 282 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: you know, when Luke's mom died early and dad, his dad, 283 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, did did his best job that he could, 284 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: but it you know, it affected them. Um, addiction. When 285 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: we see addiction, addiction is trying to feel better. You know, 286 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: I'm trying. I've got a wound here and I'm trying 287 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: to feel better, and of course the addiction kind of 288 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: takes over. But I but if if his sister has addiction, 289 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: then I'm almost looking at Luke like Luke's this is 290 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: an okay word rigidity And like you said, there there's 291 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: a lot of need of control there and he gets 292 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: he gets um uncomfortable when change is presented, do you 293 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: think su Yeah, that's that's the very definition of somebody 294 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: who is that you know has such has has a 295 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: self imposed really short leach to their own structured days, 296 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: whereas there's no flexibility there really safety yeah, yeah, a 297 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: lot of safety. And how would you know? And if 298 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: we're looking at Luke, how would he know? He lost 299 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: his mom? I don't. I don't know what they I 300 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: don't know exactly. They give the right age, but he 301 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: lost his mom when he was young. We know that much. 302 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: Dad had grief. You know, Dad probably did the best 303 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: he could, but Dad lost his wife. Though Luke has 304 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: his own trauma history and he keeps his head down, 305 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: he does what he's supposed to do. He saves his money. 306 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: He has a very stable life, which I think is 307 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: attractive to Laura la As well, but so there's a 308 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: lot of things that could make them a really good couple, 309 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: a lot that they like each other one but they 310 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: but they're but there's those trauma pieces there that are 311 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: going to bump into each other and they're going to 312 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: respond in a way that's going to be protective. Whatever 313 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: that looks like. Whatever that looks like. I think, Scott, 314 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: you said, Luke, what did you say? He like runs away? 315 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: Is that his protection? He said, for you and Laura 316 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: La Yeah, and Laura Lai makes some other choices when 317 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: she's protecting herself, and they they they are they're protective, 318 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: but they're not exactly going to be helpful to the relationship, 319 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: right right, And I think he'd prefer to run away 320 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: and suffering silence because that's what he's used to. That's 321 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: safety for him too. And yeah, that's why that part 322 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: where Luke was consoling Laura Lee on that episode, you know, 323 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: the sinking one, it was interesting that he was a 324 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: safe person for her and that he was able to 325 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: be kind of be that for her, Like there's enough 326 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: trust in that relationship that you know, I don't know 327 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: he would have done like if it would have been bad, 328 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: bad or miss Patty, would you have been able to 329 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, console them in that way or 330 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: would you have been like kind of like, okay, can 331 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: someone can get them? Maybe that has a lot to 332 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: do with attention and the attraction that is palpable between 333 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: these two characters because they are both so utterly damaged 334 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: and very you know, incredibly strong. They've built up this 335 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: armor over years, and they're both perceive each other to 336 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: be very strong, which is why they are repelling each 337 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: other at the same time they're attracting each other because 338 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: of the but are fear of, you know, making the 339 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: wrong move and the chess match of the traumatized, armored, 340 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 1: uh self protective people who just aren't you know, who 341 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: are very risk averse when it comes to this kind 342 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: of thing, especially Luke, and how how scary it must 343 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: be to to care about somebody that much, and the 344 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: inherent loss that is built into every relationship when these 345 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: two have tried very hard to never experience that again 346 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: it's a normal natural feeling, but they really really are 347 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: protected from that, so it's almost not work right. It's 348 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: just you know, that's why we'll we'll see the sabotage 349 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: because the wounds are not healed. They can be healed, 350 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: but they're not healed. But but in order for them 351 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: to be healed, there's gonna have to be some trust 352 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: to let someone get into that space. And there's you know, 353 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: there's not trust right now. Yeah, traumatic magic, I mean, 354 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: why a set up? Want to set up? I mean, 355 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: it's just sparks flying the minute she walks down the 356 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: street towards the diner, right, it's just like you know 357 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: she's going there, and it's like the table fall I'll 358 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: never get I love that. I love that seeing so much? 359 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: Do I love so hard? But wait before you go, Kim, 360 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: what do we think about Richard and Emily? And they're 361 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: sort of mess right now? Transitions? Yeah, well the good point, Scott, 362 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: there's Peneling Lot Emily right now, Emily, right now, there's 363 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: Peneling Lot. There's like you said, Digger, there is with 364 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: Digger came a whole new way of doing business. So 365 00:22:55,160 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: she's not needed anymore. And then it's like it's like 366 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: she proceeds Richard moving on from her yea, not starting 367 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: a new business. Yeah, so she's not feeling very safe 368 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: right now, and Richard is not you know, he's you know, 369 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: seems to kind of be enjoying us, and then Richard 370 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: has the fallout of Pinel and Lot, and then he has, 371 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: you know, all these new interests. His mom died. I mean, 372 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's some other things in there too, 373 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: but these are not the most stable times. Char There's 374 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: actually there's actually a moment coming in season five and 375 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: I won't reveal I won't reveal it, but there's a 376 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: moment coming in season five that I think is one 377 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: of the most powerful moments in the entire series that 378 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: literally I use on the regular basis when giving advice 379 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: to friends. When it comes, I'll tell everybody, yeah, because 380 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: it resonated so majorly. So I do think, you know, 381 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: there's there's some many people love season four the most, 382 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: but I think there's some really good things in season 383 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: five coming that Aretty good. Yeah, that's like. But it's 384 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: interesting because we're, you know, when you when we talk 385 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: about all these transitions, though, we're you know, interdependent, so 386 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: we feel we feel when other people are not regulated, 387 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: and even if it's not spoken right now, there there 388 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: is a level of instability throughout the Gilmour world, right 389 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: and Rory's feeling it. And I think that has a 390 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: lot to do with with her decision making right now, 391 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: although she's kind of hinted it, and even the kiss 392 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 1: between Luke and lor Light is so big, but it's 393 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: also so scary. What now, m Yeah, and even for 394 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: the viewer, you're probably like, please don't look this be 395 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: Maddie and Hoosy from Moonlighting. Remember when Maddy what was 396 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: Bruce Willis's character? It's like that was like, David, Yeah, 397 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: I think so you want it to be Austin Rachel 398 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: not you know, you want it to be to work 399 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: out and interesting too. Sometimes I've seen shows where they 400 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: finally get together and you're like boring. I kind of 401 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: liked the chase. Since y'all brought up the kids, can 402 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: I can I just share with y'all what I feel 403 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: is a huge tragedy in this episode. Yeah, of course, 404 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: please do that. I have. It's hard for me to 405 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: be objective about it, and I get really angry about it. 406 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: Kirk's untreated night terrors and how they interrupted what I 407 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: think was going to be a spectacular third kids be twitting, 408 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: Luke and Laura live every time I get maddic. I 409 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: mean that might have been a whole down right there 410 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: on the port or Kirk yeah, because he's like, so 411 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: you know, it's got the weird thing with the mom 412 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: you can't break and Kim by the way, because Kirk 413 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: interrupted the the iconic TV kiss. I I crashed his 414 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: uh hey bubba, I crashed his panel at the Toronto 415 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: Comic Con on Sundays. But I kept my clothes on 416 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: a little bit, just a little bit. But it was 417 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: but it's like, you know, we're dealing with the Palladinos. 418 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: They are going to do this right, that is and 419 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: you and you never see it common, which is why 420 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. You just didn't expect it. And there 421 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: they set it up, they put it in your face 422 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: and then you forgot about it because the tension was 423 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: so Yeah, but it was so wonderful and then there 424 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: he goes It's like the gift that keeps on giving, 425 00:26:53,040 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: showing Kim, thank you so much better. I'm better. I 426 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: hope it's not too scattered. No, I feel good about 427 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: going into season five, now, don't you, Scott? Well, I 428 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: didn't feel better. No, I feel enlightened for sure, because 429 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: I feel like I understand more too. Yeah, I understand. There. 430 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: I think I'm going into season five, more open minded 431 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: of sort of everyone's where they're where they're at. Yeah, 432 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: their baggage too, you know, like how their baggage is 433 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: affecting who including Deans. We didn't even dig into Dean's baggage, 434 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: but there's a lot. If this were a rock and 435 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: roll tour going into these last three seasons, we would 436 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: call it. You know, everyone's got a screw. When's the 437 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: last time we saw it? It's been too long. I 438 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: think it was last year, did I? I think I 439 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: just met with you last year? We talked about Paris 440 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: and then I saw, oh, yes I got to be Yeah, 441 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: you weren't here, but I got to meet with Danielle 442 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: and Amy and Scott. I think was it the first season? Yeah, 443 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: we got to do it. Yeah. I think we have 444 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: to at least everything. I'm very very I'm very honored 445 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: when you guys are fine, and it's very fun to 446 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: be part of your little ball club. It really helpful 447 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: because you really do it really is. That's why I 448 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: think therapy is so great, because it's like you do 449 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: get that breath, that minute to go. Wait. I literally 450 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: was I was like, I shouldn't make it a point 451 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: with my my my personal therapis been a minute player 452 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: in a product. But I do want to say just 453 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: kind of I love all of y'all's insights. I do. 454 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, oh, I'm gonna I want to write 455 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: and just tell them I just thought that was fantastic, 456 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: and then you know, I work, and then I so 457 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: you always can't. Yeah, but I really do. I love 458 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: your I love your deep dive y'all have. Sometimes I'm like, oh, yes, 459 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: and then sometimes I was like, oh yeah. People do 460 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: love to compare rewatches, and we do do this one 461 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: different where we're we're not analyzing the television show as 462 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: much as the like we treat these people like they 463 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: are real life. Yeah yeah, yeah, and Scott, maybe maybe 464 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: you can to me if a show or a book 465 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: is written by a human, it's got humanity and so 466 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: there's some real aspect to me on these shows. So no, no, absolutely, 467 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: no question about there's no one, no one more real 468 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: than Luke and lor like except for Carrie and Aiden. 469 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: I am drink. I am watching the Instagram with pictures 470 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: of Sarah Jessica Port Parker and John Corbett like they 471 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: are a real life couple, and I am like Carrie 472 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: and Aiden apparently look back together, and I'm just waiting 473 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: to find out, like are they back together? Like literally 474 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: following a guy look and I'm like, followed, did you 475 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: just make a deal with the Sarah jes Mark. No, 476 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: I wish, I wish. I'm just obsessed with Sex in 477 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: the City as much as I'm obsessed with Gilmore Girls. 478 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: It's like that show is real life, Like that one 479 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: is like that one. You're like, this is this is real? 480 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: But that one's like real real life. I was this 481 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: is such a because this does happen, like with Luke, 482 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: Luke and Laurel and like Rory and everybody where you're 483 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: having a conversation with girlfriends and somebody's like, you know, 484 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: I was thinking about Rory and you're just like they're 485 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: literally talking about it like they're talking about their neighbor. 486 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. I wanted to say one other thing. 487 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry keeping you guys, but uh, this show. The 488 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: show is so good because you can, like you guys 489 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: thought all the time, you can watch it just as 490 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: what it is. Oh, Luke and Laura Lee are kissing. 491 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: M Rory did that right in Deep Dive because I 492 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: was thinking, my best friend and I Sometimes I'll call 493 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: her and she'll be like, I'm watching Gilmore Girls marathon 494 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: on something. Which one are you watching? Oh? The one 495 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: where they got together. And depending on the mood, we 496 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: either dive or we just let it become Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 497 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: it's really true. Kiman. Thank you for your right. Now. 498 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm a I'm a master's level, I'm a therapist, 499 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: and we'll call you doctor and we'll call you I 500 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: get in trouble if I say that, but um well, 501 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: I um well, i'm a I'm a doctor. Somebody just 502 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: tried to pull my license. But I yeah this one. Um. 503 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. If you're in the Dallas area, 504 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: please look up Kim Kirk. She is amazing. If you've 505 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: got any problems, you want to sit down and have 506 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: a conversation. We all believe in therapy. We all believe 507 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: in sitting down with with somebody as compassionate and intelligent 508 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: um as you, Kim. And so thank you so much 509 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: again for your time. We're gonna have you back real 510 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: so much appreciated and thanks you, honor, Thank you guys 511 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: so much. It was so much. Thank you guys. Thanks 512 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 1: all right, and next next Scott season five five. Yes, 513 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: season five episode one. Uh, it's gonna be uh, it's 514 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: gonna be quite a fan. It's gonna be nanny. We're 515 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: really looking forward to it anyway. Um, thanks everybody, Thanks 516 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: for downloaded. 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