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Speaker 1: truth be told. Did not see much of last night's

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Speaker 1: And the reason why I believe they're going on a

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Speaker 1: If the Carolina Panthers are going to continue to allow

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Speaker 1: And the Carolina Panthers have tried to make him a

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Speaker 1: um specific skills, game management, set up, quickness, pocket awareness,

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Speaker 1: throw on the run, release delivery, release slash delivery, arm strength,

430
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Speaker 1: field vision, slash decision making, touch slash timing, accuracy, short, medium, long,

431
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Speaker 1: poise versus blitz, mobility slash runability. Then the critical factors

432
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,679
Speaker 1: you have to put the grade on at the end, accuracy,

433
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,399
Speaker 1: arm strength, leadership, poise, decision making. That's a lot that

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Speaker 1: goes into evaluating quarterback. I mean there's a lot to

435
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,639
Speaker 1: go into it. That's why for me, I would not

436
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,280
Speaker 1: only like to see like the top prospects once, I'd

437
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,159
Speaker 1: like to see him multiple times because I want to

438
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 1: make sure I have him down. It's such an important position. Uh.

439
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,680
Speaker 1: We know that you have to have a quarterback to

440
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Speaker 1: really complete at a high level in the league, and

441
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:58,920
Speaker 1: so you want to make sure that you get it right.

442
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Speaker 1: And so when you go live and you're trying to

443
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,120
Speaker 1: get a feel for those guys, particularly in big games,

444
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 1: I also want to see how they perform under pressure,

445
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 1: big game stress environments. What are they like when they're down,

446
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 1: how are they when their head? Do they understand how

447
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 1: to manage sick situation and circumstance. All of those things

448
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 1: factor into it because that guy is, in essence, the

449
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 1: CEO of your program. He has to be the guddess

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Speaker 1: in charge. So I want to make sure he has

451
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Speaker 1: all the things, all the trades, all the intangibles that

452
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Speaker 1: you needed at leadership is just all right. So let's

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Speaker 1: get back to Baker Mayfield went to that game Saturday,

454
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Speaker 1: and I'll give you a couple of insights there to

455
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Speaker 1: see what I saw. So I get down there early

456
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 1: for warm ups. He's one of the first guys on

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Speaker 1: the field before UM, anybody's in paths. He's out there.

458
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,119
Speaker 1: He's got his his his pants on, just like a

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Speaker 1: half shirt on. UM. He's out there with either I

460
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a ball boy or if it

461
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 1: was a backup quarterback. He's out there twenty minutes for

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Speaker 1: everybody else but there. He's not throwing the ball. He's

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Speaker 1: running routes. So he goes down to the left corner

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Speaker 1: of the end zone. He's running corner routes, one handed

465
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 1: catches and and fans are loving him. He high five

466
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: some fans there. He'll go to the other corner of

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Speaker 1: the end zone that same end zone, run different routes.

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Speaker 1: This is going on probably ten ten minutes or so,

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00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen minutes in this end zone, goes down

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Speaker 1: to the other end of the field and does the

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Speaker 1: same routine in each corner of the other end zone,

472
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Speaker 1: catching ball, just running. He is like the energizer bunny,

473
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 1: bounce around, never stops, high high energy, UM and everybody

474
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,439
Speaker 1: just eating it up. And so get get down there

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00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 1: watch him to do that. Talk about body type, he's

476
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Speaker 1: built kind of like Russell Wilson, especially the lower half.

477
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Speaker 1: He's he's he's got a thick, muscular lower half. Makes

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Speaker 1: to see how Tally comes in, I would guess he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be right about six ft a little bit over,

480
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Speaker 1: maybe like six o two, six oh three something like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm six one, I'm six oh one two, so that's

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Speaker 1: six one and a quarter. Um, and I'm taller than

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Speaker 1: he is. So he's gonna be. I believe he'll come

484
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Speaker 1: in six and change. But um, the ball jumps out

485
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 1: of his hand. He's got a live arm. He's twitched

486
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Speaker 1: up in terms of you know, hips and release. He's

487
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: got a lot of snap to him. Uh. Talking to

488
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: outs on the field, he's gonna run. They say he's

489
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Speaker 1: gonna run like a four nine. That's what they say

490
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Speaker 1: at school. He's not gonna be. I mean, people expecting

491
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Speaker 1: he's this. He's a quick footed athlete. He's quicker than

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Speaker 1: he is fast. He's not gonna run a four or

493
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Speaker 1: five of the comboy's gonna run a four nine. But

494
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Speaker 1: his his short area quickness is outstanding. And I think

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Speaker 1: seeing him in this game, a couple of things that

496
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Speaker 1: stood out. He got rolled up on his leg early

497
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Speaker 1: in that game. And when you're at the game, you

498
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: can watch him on the sideline. He was hurting off

499
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Speaker 1: to the side. Um, I don't know if he might

500
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Speaker 1: not even come back in this game. Right back in

501
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: there kind of presses through it, fights through it. Team

502
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: is always around him, He's never by himself. He's He's

503
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Speaker 1: got that just kind of quality to him. You know

504
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Speaker 1: that there's that the uh, that personality that just draws

505
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: people in and you see it that that matters to me.

506
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: At the quarterbacks I can go through. I won't say names,

507
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 1: but I've been around other quarterbacks in those settings that

508
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Speaker 1: have ended up being bus at the next level and

509
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: they're off by themselves. They're aloof That's not what I

510
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: want at that position. No, you kind of want a

511
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Speaker 1: guy that is um magnetic. Is that maybe the word

512
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Speaker 1: I'm loving magnetic, dynamic electric? Um. He has a persona

513
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 1: that brings people to him. Not only that. I think

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Speaker 1: when we did our podcast early in the summer, when

515
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Speaker 1: we had h the Quarterback Podcast, and we heard so

516
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: many guys talk about he kind of has to be

517
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Speaker 1: the guy that brings hope. I just remember Clay Hilton

518
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: talking talking about quarterback and the quarterback needs to give

519
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: the rest of the team hope, and so that optimism

520
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: comes from his confidence, comes from his swag, the way

521
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Speaker 1: he plays, the track record where he's delivered in big moments.

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Speaker 1: Um when you look at Baker Mayfield and you've seen

523
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Speaker 1: the competitiveness, even the stuff that he called flat four

524
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Speaker 1: when he stuck the flag in the middle of that,

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Speaker 1: I find with that because in my experience, the best

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that I've ever been around have all been kind

527
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Speaker 1: of borderline cocky, almost arrogant in the way that they

528
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Speaker 1: feel about their own belief And that's going back from

529
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Speaker 1: Brett Farve, Jim Kelly, rich gannon uh Mark Bronell had

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Speaker 1: a little bit of that. That is how they're built.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm looking for the guy that is a

532
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Speaker 1: little prickly, that has that that confidence that I'll show

533
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Speaker 1: you kind of mentality. So that bowls will for me

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Speaker 1: when I think about Baker Mayfield and what he could

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Speaker 1: be at the next level. And they said that competitiveness

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Speaker 1: at practice is what you see on game. When the

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Speaker 1: kid loves to practice, I think it's real, real competitive.

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Speaker 1: With the defense they're telling me. One of the stories

539
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: of Scout that was at one of the practices said,

540
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Speaker 1: the defense I started to make a couple of plays

541
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Speaker 1: and started chirping, and so Baker got in there and

542
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Speaker 1: just just carve him up. And they said, just real

543
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Speaker 1: quietly started going defense. The defense, well, you know they

544
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Speaker 1: don't play a lot of defense over there in the

545
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Speaker 1: big But I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what

546
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Speaker 1: after seeing it up close. Correct, there's the tackling is

547
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: not good. But the quarterback play and the offensive coordination

548
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: is so much better than the SEC. The SEC is

549
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: bigger and more physical, no doubt. But Oklahoma, maybe I'll

550
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: be proving wrong in the playoffs. But also they'res going

551
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: thirty on everybody that's happening. I mean, have some fast guys. Uh.

552
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: Their quarterback Marc's Brown can fly. Their quarterback is lights out.

553
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley does a great job of play out of

554
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Speaker 1: his mind. Twenty four played out of his mind. I

555
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: believe he was working round. He has a ton of juice,

556
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: but he catches everything. They couldn't get him on the ground.

557
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 1: He ran for over a hunter, caught for over hunter.

558
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: I think he had to receiving in two Russian. I

559
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: mean they they posed a huge challenge to anybody. I

560
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: think the great thing about this man I would love

561
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: to see Baker Mayfield get into the playoffs because, look,

562
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Speaker 1: we talked about it. We saw Deshaun Watson play on

563
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Speaker 1: a on a big stage and that was able to

564
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Speaker 1: convince some people that, look, he would be the right

565
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: guy to play at the next level. Seeing Mayfield, we

566
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: probably won't get a chance to see Donald or Rose

567
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: and Allen participate those things. So I at least want

568
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Speaker 1: to see one of the guys that is being talked

569
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Speaker 1: about as a potential first round pick. I want to

570
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: see him play on a big stage and see if

571
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Speaker 1: he's able to deliver when all eyes are on him.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Donald and Rosen and I'm gonna go to

573
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Speaker 1: the game. You're going to the game this weekend? No,

574
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Speaker 1: I think I'm I think I'm a whole back. I'm

575
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: gonna watch this. I think I'm gonna try and save

576
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: my bullets until the Pactical up championship game. That'd be good.

577
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and get out there and see those

578
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: guys square off one last well, well maybe not one

579
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: last time they because they both could come back and

580
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: do this all over again. The expectation is at least

581
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: one of them will end up bouncing but I'm gonna

582
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: go check them out. And I know you're writing something

583
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: this week on the two of them, and I know

584
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: you've dug in and watch the tape. What you find

585
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: out A man. I think this is an interesting UM

586
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: conversation comparing contrast one going all the way back to

587
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: the time when these guys were together on the Elite

588
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: eleven tour, tracking them from high school all the way through,

589
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: and watching them play in the same city, trying to

590
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: figure out who's the king of l A and the

591
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: QB one spot. I think the interesting thing when you

592
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: look at Donald and Rosen, They're playing styles are nothing alike,

593
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: but I think both have commanding presence. Um. Both have

594
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: the ability to win games at the position, but they

595
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: do it in a different fashion. When I look at Rosen,

596
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: he is more nutritional, traditional classic pocket quarterback, beautiful throwing motion,

597
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: nice arm, outstanding arm talent. He can may all the throws,

598
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: a kind of liking him to an MLB picture. He

599
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: has every pitch in the book. He can give it

600
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: to you with finesse, he can fire it in there,

601
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: he can do all those things. I think he throws

602
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: with timing and anticipation, UM better than some quarterback stuff

603
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: seeing in the last five or so years in terms

604
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: of really just getting it out of understanding. The big

605
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: thing this year that is continued to pop up questionable

606
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: decisions under under drest um. Sometimes he can try and

607
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: do too much. Some of that is due to the

608
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: lack of supporting cast that he has around him. But

609
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: I think overall he's a tough player. He's very competitive.

610
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: I think the big thing will be if you're an

611
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, does your personality job with his personality because

612
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: he's a high i Q guy and he's going to

613
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: challenge you on the board, and you have to make

614
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: sure that you're comfortable being challenged, and you have to

615
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 1: know your stuff. And Sam Donald, I think all the traits,

616
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: the intangibles are off the charts. He's a man's man,

617
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: he's a guy's guy. He's a natural leader, ultra competitive.

618
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: We've seen him in big moments on the brightest stage.

619
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: He delivers um. He's a guy that people are going

620
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: to wonder about the unorthodox delivery. But I think he

621
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: actually has a quick release. The ball comes out, it

622
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: comes out, and they do a lot of things that

623
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: are kind of at the line of scrimmage. Or within

624
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: ten years a line of scrimmage, the ball is out.

625
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: I don't see the wind up really being an issue.

626
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: I think the big thing for him is the pocket discipline.

627
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: He has a tendency to drift a little bit and

628
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: he wants to be on the move, so those things

629
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: have to be coached, but that's a correctable deal. I

630
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: think the big thing for him he has a gun

631
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 1: slinger mentality, and sometimes you have to rein it in.

632
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: You'll see some questionable decisions when it comes to man,

633
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: why is he throwing the ball in? There? Understand situational circumstances,

634
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: and the way that he plays kind of reminds me

635
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of Jamis Winston in terms of he

636
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: never can give up on the play. But those same

637
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: trades that man kind of leads you to question, they

638
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: also are the things that make him great in big moments.

639
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of both of these guys. I

640
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: think the majority of people in the value woods we're

641
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: laying towards Sam Donald because I think he's the easier

642
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: fit in most of the thirty two rooms. But I

643
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: can't see where Josh Rosen could rank ahead in subspots

644
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: in terms of a pure pocket passer and what you

645
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: want at the position. I've got, at the risk of

646
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: being called Donald apologists, which I know is coming. I

647
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: have been critical of some decisions he's made the Notre

648
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: Dame game in some of the games. But when you

649
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: dig into this a little bit, and again, you can't

650
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: just look at stuff the surface. You've gotta dig a

651
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: little bit deeper. Last year, his first year as a starter,

652
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: even with your nine interceptions the whole year, the thirty

653
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: one touchdowns through nine interceptions. Now, if you look at

654
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: that team last year, you had a senior in Darius Rodgers.

655
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: You had experienced player and Juju Smith Schuster. So those

656
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: are the two kind of key guys in their offense,

657
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: as well as Deante Burnett, who would play a little bit.

658
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 1: Donald throws with more anticipation than any of these other quarterbacks,

659
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: and that's one area that I think you have to

660
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: give him all the credit in the world. He is.

661
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: He has a no fear, no lynch, and if he

662
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: sees what he likes, he's gonna let it rip. Now

663
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: with senior laden guys last year, only nine interceptions because

664
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: they were supposed to be where they were where they

665
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: were supposed to be the ball was there, you didn't

666
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: have any issues. Now this year breaking in a bunch

667
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: of new guys. You got Tyler Vaughan's a redshirt freshman

668
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: who has turned into be a stud. Was not playing

669
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: a lot early in the season. Um, you have Pittman

670
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: who was hurt early in the season who has now

671
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: gotten healthy, another young guy. So he's playing with some

672
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: new guys. First three games of the year, Bucky through

673
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: six picks to two and two. Since then, he hadn't

674
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: done more than one interception in the game. And really

675
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: I think it's over the last one to three. Over

676
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: the last like five games, I think he's got twelve

677
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: touchdowns and two picks. So right now, as as we

678
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: said earlier in the season, we talked about the numbers,

679
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: let's wait until we get to the end of the

680
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: season to look at So last year thirty one touchdowns,

681
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: nine picks. Right now he's got twenty four touchdowns eleven picks.

682
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: That ratio is starting to increase a little bit and

683
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: he's starting to look a little bit better just on

684
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: the paper now. To me, the biggest tissue with Sam

685
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: Donald is the fumbles. That is something he has got

686
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: to clean up. Way too many balls on the on

687
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: the ground inside the pocket needs to be more more

688
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: strong and more secure with the football. But that, to me,

689
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: of all the criticism of Sam Donald, that to me

690
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: is the one that he has got to hone in on.

691
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: He's got Effix. Can't put the ball on the ground

692
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: that much. No, he can't put the ball on the

693
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: ground that much. But I think here's the thing. I

694
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: think the numbers have to be kept in perspective. I

695
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: think some of it has to be your eyeball testing

696
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,239
Speaker 1: what you've seen. I can say what we've seen from

697
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: Sam Donald is a long resume of big time performances

698
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: in key moments. And so there's some guys who look,

699
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: throw the numbers out and let's look at the tape

700
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: and let's watch how they play. He plays it like

701
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: a big time quarterback. He plays it like an elite

702
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: level quarterback under pressure. And so I am always willing

703
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: to lean towards those guys who are able to step

704
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: up in critical moments because we've seen him play in

705
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: the number of critical moments, and so I think he's

706
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: good in that. Man. I think Josh Rosen has also

707
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: shown that he can play in those big moments. Baker

708
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: Mayfield has shown that he can play in those moments.

709
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: Of all the guys that we talked about in the discussion,

710
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: Josh Allen will be the one where we would have

711
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: to go back and look how he's performed in big

712
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: games and big moments. Do we feel confident enough that

713
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: he deserves to be in a discussion with I guess

714
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: what we can call it the Big Four now if

715
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: we include Baker Mayfield in that discussion, Yeah, no, I

716
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: think it's I think that's a very very valid point.

717
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be the debate that takes

718
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: place inside the room. And the best what is it?

719
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: The best predictor of future behavior is past performance. I mean,

720
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: so we've got we've got something now. I mean, selfishly,

721
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: as as an evaluator, I would love for both Donald

722
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: and Rosen to go back. That's selfish because just gives

723
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: me more to look at. It just gives it, gives it,

724
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: puts more on the canvas, and you feel like you've

725
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: got it's a little easier to make that decision probably.

726
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: You know. Look, Rosen missed almost all last year, He's

727
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: missed some games this year. Donald, this is really his

728
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: second year plan. So, I mean, I think that's that's

729
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: me selfishly. I'd love to see these guys in the NFL,

730
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: no doubt it'll be a lot of fun, but it

731
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: makes our jobs as a value. It's a heck of

732
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: a lot easier if they both went back. So here's

733
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: a guy that doesn't get included in the conversation much,

734
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: but he's kind of hanging out there. Lamar Jackson from Louisville. Uh,

735
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: the Randy Hodsman Trophy winner has man. He accomplished something

736
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: that we haven't seen. He's one of only four to

737
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: maybe have three thousand past yards and one thousand rushing yards.

738
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: He's done it in back to back seasons. He's actually,

739
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: when you look at the numbers, kind of on track

740
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: to match the production that he had a season ago.

741
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: We haven't heard a lot of conversation outside of people

742
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: saying that maybe he needs to play another position. But

743
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: what is your take? I know you started to look

744
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: at him a little bit, dug into him a little

745
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: bit today, Um, and just watch that last game against Virginia.

746
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: It's interesting, Buck, because I don't know if I've seen

747
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: a more explosive athlete. Vic had come in. I went scounting.

748
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: I think I started oh three. He he was my

749
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: first year scouting, so I didn't. I mean I watched

750
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: him on TV like heh Whales did, but I didn't

751
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: really dig in and study him. But just in terms

752
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: of the the suddenness when he puts his foot in

753
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: the ground and ghost Buck, he is gone. He he is.

754
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: He had that game against has seven his own read

755
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: seventy something yard touchdown run and it was on cruise

756
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: control for the last thirty yards. He's unbelievable. If you

757
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: go back and you watch his high school huddle tape,

758
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: he makes the same plays in high school like he's

759
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: the same guy. Super explosive. Obviously, when you have an

760
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: athlete that likes to run as much as he has

761
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: back to back thousand yard season, had fifty yards his

762
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: Highsman Trophy year, you wonder Kenny sustained Kenny stack up

763
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: and so then people wonder about the size. And I

764
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: had opportunity to watch him live earlier the year when

765
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: they played in North Carolina. He is a little thicker

766
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: than I thought, And obviously he is tough. He's a

767
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: guy who hasn't sustained an injury throughout his entire time

768
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: in college, and I know automatically people are going to

769
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: kind of make the comparison between he and r G three,

770
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: but I think they're different players in the way they

771
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: go about it because I think Lamar Jackson has more

772
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: overall awareness when he has the ball in his hands,

773
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily take these big shots that r G

774
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: three took. And even in saying that about r G three,

775
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: he was a guy that was an offensive Rookie of

776
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: the Year his first year. He's a Pro Bowl player.

777
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: He had the risk ins to the playoffs. And I

778
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: know we're saying that style of play is out of style,

779
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: but I wonder if you have someone who can invest

780
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: in a guy like Lamar Jackson who is willing to

781
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: run an offense or already has pieces in place to

782
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: run an offense like that. I'm just curious where Lamar

783
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: Jackson fits into the quarterback puzzle because there's no doubt

784
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: he's an upper echelon athlete, but he's a guy that

785
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: still needs to work on some of the finer things

786
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: of playing the quarterback position. Yet accuracy was the issue

787
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: from me. I love his touch on the fade ball,

788
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: that's what he does the best. That's the best throw

789
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: he makes really anything kind of over the top with

790
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: touch over the top. He has a good feel for it.

791
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: Driveball accuracy was an issue. I mean, even just some

792
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: simple stuff. You'll see this kind of a catch rock

793
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: and throw slant where you've got a clean window and

794
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: the balls on the back shoulder. Um, he just he

795
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: doesn't place the ball very well. And you don't get

796
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 1: carried away with completion percentage in the college game, because

797
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: you need it's more about placement as opposed to the

798
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: completion percentage. But he's a you know, his first year

799
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: fifty six and sixty, so he's training in the right direction.

800
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: But in the college game, I don't care what offense

801
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: you're running. You want to be a little bit more

802
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: efficient than that. He's just not a he's not a

803
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: dead on accurate pastor. And even some of the accuracy

804
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: on the move, which I expected maybe would be a

805
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: little bit more comfortable get him on the move. You

806
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: see some balls take off and sale. The thing is,

807
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: though he takes off and run, he starts score from

808
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: anywhere on the field. And if if he runs like

809
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: he does, safeties are gonna get sucked up. And that

810
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: leads to the best ball that he throws, which is

811
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: over the top. So somebody, somebody's gonna do it. Somebody's

812
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 1: gonna say, man, I can make this work. This gets

813
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: pretty dynamic. Well, I think I think that. I think

814
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: the big thing here is I think the Deshaun Watson

815
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: thing and the Dak Prescott thinking back to back years

816
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: may actually help him. Dak Prescott was a heart evaluation

817
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: because he was a guy that also ran heavy. During

818
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: his time in the SEC, every gamed over a thousand

819
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: yards at his height, he had maybe nine hundred and

820
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: fifty yards. His final year he had eight hundred and

821
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: some yards. But he was a guy that when we

822
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: looked him at Mississippi State, he was a spread offense quarterback.

823
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: We didn't think that he would become the guy that

824
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: he has become, a guy that has gone over one

825
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: hundred passer rating maybe fifteen sixteen times early in his career.

826
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: So I think that and the fact that Deshaun Watson

827
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: and the way the Houston Texans look with DeShawn and

828
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: without DeShawn will help Lamar Jackson in the room. We'll

829
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: see if if he does decide to come out, if

830
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: anyone would be willing to take a chance and kind

831
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: of build around the talent, the potential that he's shown

832
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: thus far in his career. Yeah, he's gonna be a

833
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: fun evaluation. I need to get out and see him

834
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: hopefully in a in a bowl game, you know, out

835
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: there and uh checking out live. I know you've had

836
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: opportunity to do that, So I need to get out

837
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: there and do that myself. Buck. I think we've we've

838
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: covered quite a bit of ground. We didn't even get

839
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: into these uh these four playoff teams just kind of

840
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: a big picture college thing that's gonna be fun to

841
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: watch how this sorts itself out. But man, college football

842
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: this year, what a great Year's fun year. I mean,

843
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: it's been a great year and it's only going to

844
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: get better because we're beginning to see the things come

845
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: to fruition, upsets everywhere, players everywhere. I'm kind of excited

846
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: to see how it goes down the stretch. You like

847
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: Mercer this week? Mercer? You got Mercer against Bama. You

848
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: got Mercer. No, I'm not going Mercy against Bama. Come on, man,

849
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: make a bull move. No kind of spent you know,

850
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: emotional game on motion of game last week the gate

851
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: gave it all up. That Iron Bowl is going to

852
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: be interesting. Oh, I might be one to get out too.

853
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: Might be Thanksgiving week, thought to on the home front.

854
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: Sit sit there, I mightna watch that on the couch.

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