1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and seventy eight, 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: first airing at the end of November twenty twenty two. 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: Sarah and I are here in a hotel room in 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: the Florida Keys, enjoying each other's company. Just like last 14 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: week's episode, we will be doing this one to gather 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: in person, which is very exciting. This week, we're going 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: to be covering three SE's to advance your career in 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Three s's standing for three things, which 18 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: we will reveal in the course of this episode. But 19 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: first you know what, We'll be doing a year in 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: review episode in a few weeks that we'll be talking 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: about how twenty twenty two went. We will also be 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: doing a goals episode talking about what we are aiming 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: for in twenty twenty three, but Sarah, I thought we'd 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: start by talking about career goals we have set in 25 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: the past that we have actually achieved. So what have 26 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: you what have you done? Yeah, work is always, as 27 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: we'll talk about in our goals episodes. It's always one 28 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: of my categories and a common theme in my work. 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: Goal is to do some kind of poster presentation or 30 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: project to present that at Pediatric Indocrine Society, which is 31 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: one of our bigger meetings, the one that I like 32 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: to go to. I don't have a requirement where I 33 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,639 Speaker 1: work that I have to present if I want to attend, 34 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm able to go either way. But it's just a 35 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: lot more fun when I'm able to showcase some research, 36 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: usually done together with one of our residents. So the 37 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: last couple of years that's been a goal for me, 38 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: and yeah, I think the last two years running, I 39 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: did have a poster there with a resident, which was 40 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: really fun. When you say a poster, can you describe 41 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: what that is? I mean, I just have this vision 42 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: in my mind of like fourth grade science fair posters, 43 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: and I assume it's a little bit more sophisticated than that. 44 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: You haven't seen it. Oh that's so interesting. It's like, okay, 45 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: so at scientific conferences there are poster sessions, and it 46 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: does sort of look like a fourth grade science poster, 47 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: except they're much larger and people use templates for them, 48 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: and it's basically like a paper presented in miniature form. 49 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: So they'll be an abstract, there'll be a section for 50 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: you to put graphics. If it's a case study, maybe 51 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: you'll have some relevant photos or things like that, and 52 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: then some kind of conclusion in references, so it's kind 53 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: of like a mini paper. It does look like a 54 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: souped up version of a sixth grade science fair, but 55 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: you get them printed usually like at a print shop 56 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: or like there's online venues on these big pieces of paper, 57 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: so it's a little bit more professional than like gluing 58 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: things up by yourself. I have been at some Internet 59 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: national meetings where people would present some very good research 60 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: from countries that are not as resource rich, and sometimes 61 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: they are kind of old school in terms of how 62 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: they put this stuff up, but the quality has nothing 63 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: to do with how pretty it looks. Although I do 64 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: like it to look pretty, it has more to do 65 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: with what's actually on there. So when you have a 66 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: poster session, you stand next to your poster and people 67 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: mill around, they look at it. If they think it's interesting, 68 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: they'll stop and look at it and maybe ask you 69 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: some questions or ask you to kind of take them 70 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: through your poster. I, as a faculty member, no longer 71 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: really have to be in the hot seat. I would 72 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: have a resident there who can explain what's in there, 73 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: and then I'm kind of there as backup. The research 74 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: I do is generally much smaller scale the what I 75 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: used to do as a fellow, just because I'm not 76 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: at a big academic institution. But we did actually do 77 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: like an actual like retrospective study where we had data 78 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: and my resident represented I actually couldn't even I didn't 79 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: even make it to that one. She did it on 80 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: her own, but it still counts because we did the 81 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: work together. That's funny. I'd say I've presented, I've spoken 82 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: to a lot of groups of medical and scientific professionals, 83 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: but I guess I've never wandered around looking at posters, 84 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: So that's kind of fun to think about. Yeah, so 85 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: I would say a professional goal I had in the past. 86 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: Longtime listeners readers know that I started tracking my time 87 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: continuously in the spring of twenty fifteen, and my goal 88 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: had been to go for a year, which I did. 89 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: I've now continued tracking for seven and a half years. 90 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't take much time or effort, so I just 91 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: keep going with it. But when I tracked for the 92 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: first year, my goal had been to write about it 93 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: somewhere interesting, right, But I undertook this project thinking maybe 94 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: I could, and a couple of wonderful coincidences happened that 95 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: I wound up writing about it for the New York Times. 96 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: The essay ran in their weekend section, and that was 97 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: really cool because I got some notice by lots of people, 98 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: among them the organizers of the TED Women conference in 99 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,039 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, which is how I wound up giving my 100 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: TED talk, which has led to a lot of opportunities 101 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: as well. So that was a pretty cool goal coming 102 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: true kind of moment for me. But we know our 103 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: listeners are going to have all sorts of incredible goals 104 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty three. But we want to suggest three 105 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: categories that you might think about using as you look 106 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: toward your goals for the next year, that might inspire 107 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: you to set some cool ideas. So the first C, 108 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: the first of the three c's, is to collaborate. Was 109 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: I supposed to say that at the same time you were, Yeah, 110 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: I mean we are the same place. I guess we could. 111 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: That would have been cool'd we didn't plan on it. 112 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: Oh well, all right, talk about collaboration, all right, So yeah, 113 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: we came up with these. I think we started with collaborate. 114 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: I think it's a great one because most of the 115 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: bigger or more fun work goals are going to be 116 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: more achievable and more interesting if you were doing them 117 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: with someone else. And sometimes it's helpful to think about 118 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: the person you're excited to work with first and then 119 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: let the project evolve from there. Now you are listening 120 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: to a collaboration right now. In twenty six seventeen, I 121 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: said I wanted to start a podcast. Laura said she 122 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: was interested, and I know, I don't think this show 123 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: would be what it is without either of us, Like 124 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: it's the combination that has brought it to what it is. 125 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: And I think that is so true of so many 126 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: different types of projects that may relate to your work 127 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: life as well. Yeah, so the idea behind collaboration is 128 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: to choose someone interesting and then do some sort of 129 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: project with them over the course of the next year. 130 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: And usually you know, we are thinking project like it's 131 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: a discrete, achievable kind of thing that you will do, 132 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: whether in our case it was launching a podcast together, 133 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: or it could be you know, doing a poster session 134 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: together with someone that you will be doing that, or 135 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: co authoring an article for something, whether that be an 136 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: academic journal type article or you know in the popular press, 137 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: or you know something for an industry journal or an 138 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: industry website or what have you. Lots of things you 139 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 1: could do. You can for conference, right, there's lots of collaborations, yes, 140 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: for conferences, and for certainly like for scientific papers these days, 141 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: academic projects not like a small poster, you know, like 142 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: the one I described above, but big papers can have 143 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: twenty or forty or more co authors. So if you 144 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: have some kind of idea, don't hesitate to reach out 145 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: to those in adjacent fields or other fields and see 146 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: if they might be interested in doing it with you. 147 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: You'll probably have a lot more success than you would 148 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: in a vacuum. Yeah, but it doesn't even have to 149 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: be specifically related to the subset. I mean, it could 150 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: be the substance of the work. But I'll see, like 151 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: you could if you have a friend at work, you 152 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: could collaborate on having some sort of brown bag lunch 153 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: sessions together, like the three you know three friends you 154 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: each teached about something over the course of three weeks. 155 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: On Mondays, people gather to talk to and that would 156 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: be a discreete project that you have done to gather. 157 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: If you are in the sort of field where you 158 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: build up your own audience, so people who are you know, 159 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: bloggers or podcasters or you know, speakers or writers or 160 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: artists of any sort, anyone who's who's got their own 161 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: thing that they're doing. In building up an audience, you 162 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: can often combine with somebody else to market something to 163 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: both of your audiences. So the two of you team 164 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: up and do, say, you know, a Facebook live session 165 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: to gather or any of the other social media platforms 166 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: Instagram Live that they have that as well, and just 167 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: even recording a conversation allows the two of you to 168 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: feed ideas off each other and also reach each other's 169 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: audiences and likely grow a little bit more with that. Yeah, 170 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: you can imagine kind of an analogeous thing, except the 171 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: instead of two podcasts, you're bringing together. I don't know too, 172 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: like divisions at a in a corporate environment, to help 173 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: each other understand what the other does to maybe mutually 174 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: benefit both sides. Yeah, or it could be something non workish. 175 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we can collaborate on projects in 176 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: our personal lives too, that, you know, even if it's 177 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: not directly work related, can often give us new ideas 178 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: as well. So, you know, maybe teaming up with someone 179 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: to go do a career day presentation at you know, kids' schools, 180 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: for instance, or a project of bringing a neighborhood group 181 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: to do something. I had lots of different things you 182 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: could do, So that was the first C. The first 183 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: seat is to collaborate. The second C is to connect. 184 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: So this is related to collaborating. I think of collaborating 185 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: as more like choosing a person or two, but choosing 186 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: somebody and doing a discreete project together. I think of 187 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: connecting more as challenging yourself to stage some sort of gathering, 188 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: whether it be a one off one or a continuing 189 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: one in the course of the next year, so you've 190 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: done some of this, Sarah. I love connect I mean 191 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: it suits my nature and one of my absolute favorite things. Oddly, 192 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about going to conferences a lot, which I 193 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: don't even do that much, but when I go, connecting 194 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: is a big priority for me in that I like 195 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: to meet up with all the people that I trained with, 196 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: like all of the fellows that I trained with at Duke, 197 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: being able to get together on a more casual like 198 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: for dinner or something like that and compare notes about 199 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: how it's going. I learn so much from those interactions. 200 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: Plus they're just so much fun, Like you realize you're 201 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: not doing this alone and that like something that felt 202 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: so hard is something that other people are dealing with 203 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: as well, and it's just it's just so rewarding on 204 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: many many levels. So I love connecting in that way, 205 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: and I also really enjoy just getting to know my 206 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: colleagues better, like making sure that we do lunch dates 207 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: ever so often, making sure that I get to know 208 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: the members of my staff and like what their families 209 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: are like and you know what they want in life, 210 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: and just making sure that you are in touch with 211 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: the human side of people that you work with. They're 212 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: not just titles with roles. They're people. They can be 213 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: maybe a different kind of friendship, but it's still a 214 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: valuable kind of friendship and relationship to me. Yeah, that 215 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: definitely makes work a lot more fun if you don't 216 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: have colleagues per se. I mean I have many people 217 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: I work with, but not as part of a big organization. 218 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: But there are people who do similar things to you, 219 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: or who do related adjacent things to you, who might 220 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: have helpful ideas. So a couple of years ago, me 221 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: and a few other people started a writer's strategy group 222 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: that there are five of us now who we intend 223 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: at least to gather every month. Some months, it hasn't 224 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: over the summer. We tend to take a break, but 225 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: gather by zoom once a month to talk through various issues. 226 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: And the idea is that each of us presents a 227 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: problem each time and then for twelve minutes or so 228 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: we all talk through it. You know, what are people's ideas, 229 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: what are their suggestions, what have they seen other people do? 230 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: And it's all people who are working professionally in the 231 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: writers sace, who publish multiple books. But we are fine 232 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: on the writing part, Like we're not a lot of 233 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: like writing groups sort of like you're critiquing each other's manuscripts. 234 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: We don't do that, like we're not you know, your 235 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: manuscript's great, it's being commercially published, like you're good. It's 236 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: more about how should I market this thing? Or if 237 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: I've created these videos, what should I do with them? 238 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: Or you know, have this question about you know, an 239 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: agent or an editor, or how I should deal with 240 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: these revisions if it's a tricky issue, you know. So 241 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: it's very helpful to have people who are going through 242 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: the same thing. Some people form like mastermind groups. Often 243 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: these are people in maybe even different industries, but you're 244 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: about the same level, and you could gather in person 245 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: to talk through various problems you might have. But these 246 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: can just speak a great way to have a core 247 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: group of folks who are kind of in your corner 248 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: that you know them really well, you know what they 249 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: are going through, and to gather you can achieve great things. Yeah, 250 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: sometimes just talking through challenges with someone who does something 251 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: kind of like what you do but not exactly can 252 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: be incredibly helpful. And some people also really benefit from 253 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: the accountability aspect, like if you set a goal together 254 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: like I have one friend that I do like monthly 255 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: phone calls with now and she's a fellow podcaster and 256 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: she's awesome. I'll let her be anonymous. It's not Laura though, 257 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: because I talked to her more often than that. No anyway, 258 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: So it's great because we like set goals and then 259 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: we'll say Okay, by the next time we talk, I 260 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: hope to have done this, this and this, and it 261 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: just it kind of adds a little bit of fun 262 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: and a little bit of sometimes needed like lights of fire, 263 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: I guess lights a fire. We're going to take a 264 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: quick ad break and then we'll be talking a little 265 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: bit more about connecting. Well, we are back talking about 266 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: the three c's to advance your career in twenty twenty three. 267 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: The first one was to collaborate, So find somebody cool, 268 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: do a project with them, just like this podcast being 269 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: a collaboration between the two of us. The second sea 270 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: is to connect. Stage some sort of gathering, whether that 271 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: be a regular one or one off or something with 272 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: people that you find fascinating that you can all get 273 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: to know each other better. I would throw out the 274 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: idea of you know, having some sort of party. Parties 275 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: are great and even if it's in your personal life, 276 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: like these things wind up. You know, nobody is just 277 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: personal or just professional. I mean you if you have 278 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: any sort of business in your community, like you get 279 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: to know people like who you know if you're a 280 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: real estate agent, like, they're gonna be people who need houses. 281 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: And let's like maybe you know people who come to 282 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: your open house have a friend two years later who 283 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: need their household, or you know, it's just the more 284 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: people you know, the better off you are. And a 285 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: party is a great way to not only bring people 286 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: to you and they enjoy the time that they're spending together, 287 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: but you can reach out to a ton of other people. 288 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: Even if they aren't going to attend or they can't 289 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: or whatever. They they have the sense that they're connected 290 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: to you now and that that tends to want to 291 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: be reciprocated. I'm sure you've experienced it absolutely and no 292 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: spoilers or anything, but I definitely have throwing a party 293 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: in our house that we now own as a goal 294 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: for a future list. I think it's just yeah, it's 295 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: such a great opportunity. And you can do work related parties, 296 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: you can do neighborhood parties, you can do you know 297 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: other parents at school, and it's you know, it's really 298 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: fun and it's also networking, so you just win all 299 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: around when all around, Yeah, and just thinking through who 300 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: you would invite forces you to think through sort of 301 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: local acquaintances, right, and that is a good experience because 302 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, some people's brains are definitely 303 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: better organized that way, but many of us don't have 304 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: a perfect sort of Rolodex system in our brains. That 305 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: it's just it's good to be reminded of all the 306 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: people you know who might be interested in X, Y 307 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: or Z. We just lost every listener under the age 308 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: of thirty five. They're like, what is this rolodex thing 309 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: of which you speak? I don't know anything other than 310 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: phones in my contacts, contacts in my phone list. So okay, fine, 311 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: do you have a rolodex. I do not have a rolodex, 312 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: and I never did. But like, yeh, seeing them, I've 313 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: seen them. I'm aware that they want other people's desks. 314 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: Usually they have gray hair. Yeah, if you're still in 315 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: someone's desk, it's like someone open. But I'm really I'm 316 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: always hilarious finding how many people don't know what CC 317 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: actually means is it not carbon copy? It's carbon copy? 318 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: You knew that. You knew that, nervous well, but you 319 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: and I are the the you know age where you 320 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: have We had typewriters back in the day, even if 321 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: they were transitioning out of them. But you know, people 322 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: had to create a carbon copy of something, which, curiously enough, 323 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: you know the ten ninety nine's have anyway, Well, yeah, 324 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: they're still you have to pressure pen do on really hard. Okay, 325 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: moving on number three, number three, collect Oh, this is 326 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: the year that you are going to make more money 327 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: in part out of necessity because well, maybe we have 328 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: some overseas listeners who are not experiencing inflation and awesome, 329 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: but in this country we have had major inflation, and 330 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: who knows where that's going. I don't think we would 331 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: deign to make any predictions on this particular podcast. I 332 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,239 Speaker 1: definitely don't have that expertise to do so. But I 333 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: will tell you that our money right now is certainly 334 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: worth less, and you want less dollars than it was 335 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: than the same amount was worth in twenty twenty or 336 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, let's say so. Keeping that in mind, it's 337 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: a really good time and an important time to look 338 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: and make sure that your compensation is keeping up with that. 339 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: Also kind of the job marketplace being the way it 340 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: is right now. Again, this could change by the time 341 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: this airs. I don't even know. But in certain career paths, 342 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: it's also a nice time to ask for a raise 343 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: because you know they may be offering higher amounts to 344 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: people that they're looking to hire right now, for example, 345 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: just to make sure that they are getting appropriate people 346 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: on staff. So just make sure you look at that 347 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: and think about it, and potentially you have a key 348 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: meeting at your evaluation to discuss how you know how 349 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: well your compensation has kept up with that and if not, 350 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: asking pivotal questions like what could I do, what could 351 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: I accomplish for this organization that in six months or 352 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: whatever time frame you choose, would warrant that ten percent 353 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: raise or fifteen percent raise that would help your compensation 354 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: keep up with costs. Yeah, I mean you should feel 355 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: free to go ahead and ask right like, there's nothing 356 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: wrong with asking for a raise, and particularly in this environment. 357 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: You will not be the first person to have brought 358 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: this up. But if your organization is in a position 359 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: where they aren't necessarily handing out raises at the moment. 360 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: That's that's when you can pivot to that conversation of 361 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: I would like to revisit this in six months, and 362 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: what would you like to have seen me do in 363 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: the next six months that we could have me then 364 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: earning X, whatever X is that you have determined is 365 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: sort of the fair market value if you are to 366 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: go out and find a different job, which is also 367 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: something you could consider. I know there's a lot of 368 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: turmoil involved in changing jobs, and particularly if you've been 369 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: somewhere for a while and are very comfortable with it, 370 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: but there's some pretty good evidence that people who do 371 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: change jobs wind up earning more that that is actually 372 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: one of the ways that people do boost their salary 373 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: over time. And that's too bad that that is what happens. 374 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: But I mean, we're all human. We tend not to 375 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: necessarily be like, oh, yes, I should make sure that 376 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: all my employees are currently compensated and exactly what I 377 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: would hire people to replace them at. It's just not 378 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: the sort of thing that people do. Wages tend to 379 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: be stickier than that, and on the employee angle, when 380 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: you develop connections, you're not necessarily like I will change 381 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: jobs exactly every five years to maximize my return. Because 382 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: you may like working at a certain company with the 383 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: people you're working for and with, but you know, we 384 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: have to also remind you that if you're not getting 385 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: paid fairly, it is a job, and you probably need 386 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: to make sure that you're at least within the range 387 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: of acceptable compensation. No relationship can fully fully make up 388 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: for really bad underpayment. Yeah. Now, of course, compensation isn't 389 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: only the amount of money you are getting paid, as 390 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: in like the actual currency that is in your take 391 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: home paycheck. There are other things that are usually part 392 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: of the compensation. You know, this would be a good 393 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: time to visit some of that, right, Yes, make sure 394 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: you are collecting your benefits. And you know, I've worked 395 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: for mostly one organization and there are a ton of 396 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: benefits offered where I work, and I'm sure at many 397 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: similar places and probably certain types of companies offer even 398 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: more amazing benefits. So paid leave is a benefit that 399 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: some places offer, and you want to make sure that 400 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 1: if that's something you want to do, that you are 401 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: you are taking advantage of that. Make sure you also 402 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: look at whether there is a use it or lose 403 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: it situation because sometimes you got to use up those 404 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: days in order to not leave them by the wayside. 405 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: Professional development. So in the medical realm that might be 406 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: CME money. You also might want to make sure it 407 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: may be over a certain amount of time per the year. 408 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: And depending on you know, whether your travels were limited 409 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: during COVID, your year maybe coming to a close and 410 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: maybe you didn't go anywhere, So maybe there's some kind 411 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: of online learning that you could pay for now using 412 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: last year's money, if there's if it's too late to travel, 413 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: mental healthcare, backup childcare, all that stuff. You know. Sometimes 414 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: benefits may be available but not obvious, like you know, 415 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: they're not going to email you every week and say, 416 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: remember you know you you put aside money and you're 417 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: in your FSA or you have X number of backup 418 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: childcare days. You have to keep track of them as 419 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: someone who might utilize them. But if you need that 420 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: stuff and it's part of your benefits, just make sure 421 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: you are collecting on that because it is kind of 422 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: part of your overall compensation package. Yeah, I definitely want 423 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: to make sure you use that. We actually used a 424 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: couple backup childcare days this summer that it turned out 425 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: my husband has a fairly significant number of backup childcare 426 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: days available to him, and so when we needed that 427 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: this summer for a while, we were able to use 428 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: a couple of days at Bright Horizons. That's a pretty 429 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: common one that a lot of major companies pay for 430 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: a certain number of backup days there. But in addition 431 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: to that, like Bright Horizons doesn't have infinite number of 432 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: spaces and say they're toddler class. So some days we 433 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: got it and some days we didn't. But they actually 434 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: paid to have a nanny come to us, like through 435 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: an agency. They had somebody come. And you know, again 436 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't really going to be comfortable with, you know, 437 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: leaving my kid with somebody I didn't know very well 438 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: if I was then going to like go to New 439 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: York for the day. But since I was working from home, 440 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: I had like a ton of recordings that day, I 441 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: was like, I need to do these, and he wanted 442 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: to work as well, and so we were able to 443 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: have that, and you know, it was a very wonderful 444 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: caregiver that they sent us for that. So you know, 445 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: really really look into those options as well. There may 446 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: be things you need to do to use them. But 447 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: this can be your public service announcement to go look 448 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: into your company's benefits, whatever those happen to be, because 449 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: sometimes there are entirely random ones and I'm not saying 450 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: that you're going to use all of them. But maybe 451 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: you have a corporate membership to a local art museum 452 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: and you haven't even thought, like nobody put this like 453 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: as you're saying, they don't email you every week about this, 454 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: so you know, but why not take your family for 455 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: free as like afternoon activity someday and don't forget about matches. 456 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: So obviously this isn't every company that offer this, but many. 457 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: If you are putting aside money in your four one 458 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: K or four or three B, they'll match up to 459 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: a certain amount and that is literally free money that 460 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: you are collecting. So just make sure you are taking 461 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 1: full advantage of any match programs that are offered at 462 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: your institution. Now I'm going to go and do ahead 463 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: and do a little shout out for folks who are 464 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: not at companies. I'm like, wow, the idea of a 465 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: retirement match sounds kind of exciting. I have never had 466 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: a job where that would be remotely but it's fine 467 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: because it turns out the limits for self employed four 468 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: one ks are far higher, so it's kind of exciting 469 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: to have that available to you as well. But if 470 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: you are working for yourself, how do you earn more 471 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: over the next year. Well, a couple of things you 472 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: can do. I mean, some of this is about the 473 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: time you put in that. Marketing is an investment, and 474 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: you can carve out time to do it. Marketing is 475 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: always one of those things that people who run their 476 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: own businesses, work for themselves know we should be doing 477 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,120 Speaker 1: and do not do nearly enough of. I'm well aware 478 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: of that in my world that I sort of have 479 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: chronically underinvested in that. But just saying, okay, I'm going 480 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: to do let's say, two hours every Thursday afternoon on marketing, 481 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: I am going to think about what things I could 482 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: offer the world, think about who I could offer them to, 483 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: think about what they would pay. Sometimes it's very easy 484 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: to scale something up, you know. Maybe it's just that 485 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: you offer a course and maybe you just need to 486 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: raise the rates a tiny little bit and it's not 487 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: enough that people are going to turn it away, or 488 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: maybe you have you know, an oversubscribed situation for it. Anyway, 489 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: but then that's just money straight to the bottom line 490 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: that you then got. It might be that you just 491 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: make a habit of reaching out to people, particularly to 492 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: old clients. I mean, it's a great idea just to 493 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: remind those people that you exist, because again, most of 494 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: our brain's not the roleodexis. So they loved you, but 495 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, they haven't seen you in two years. Don't 496 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: remember that you are on this planet until you remind them. 497 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: But I know I have reached out to people when 498 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: I've seen that they've gotten a new job somewhere that 499 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: like editors I've worked with in the past, and I 500 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: would say the odds that the person then writes me 501 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: back and is often like, would you be interested in 502 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: writing for this place has been fairly high. So whatever 503 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: that looks like in your particular industry. Yes, you just 504 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: want to be a force for good in the world. 505 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: That you congratulate people on anything that goes right, but 506 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: it often winds up being, you know, something that helps 507 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: you bring in more business in the future as well. 508 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: Makes total sense. So for our love of oh should 509 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: we do love of the weaker? Question? Which one are 510 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: we doing for us? I'm going to have to come 511 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: up with the love of the week. Your well no, okay, 512 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: Well why don't we do our question then, because this 513 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: was one that we got which a listener who lives 514 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: in an apartment and has many children asked us about 515 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: having people over. So she is, you know, living her 516 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: best life, lots of great things going on with her 517 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: career and her family. She would like to expand her 518 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: social circle, have those parties we were talking about, have 519 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: friends over for dinner, whatever it is. She is concerned 520 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: that her apartment is always a mess because there are 521 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: many children in this apartment, not a whole lot of space, 522 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,239 Speaker 1: so she feels bad about inviting people over. So do 523 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: we have any suggestions for her? So, before I knew 524 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: this was an apartment, I was like, duh, just clean 525 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: one room. I mean I feel like that one room 526 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: sitting there, they'll never know the difference. That is the 527 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: tried and true. I mean, your house could be like 528 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: a whirlwind. But if you have people over and generally say, 529 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, we're just going to like stay over here. 530 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 1: The kids can go play in the messy rooms, but 531 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: like we're just going to hang out here and that 532 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: room looks nice, that's like, really all you need is 533 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: one calm space so I guess my question I don't know, 534 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: I haven't seen this person's apartment, is could you kind 535 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: of extrapolate that to one corner, one area of your apartment. 536 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: Maybe it's like the table and like one clear surface 537 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: and you, you know, just tell your guests not to 538 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: worry about the rest. I mean, my gut instinct is like, 539 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: if it's somebody that's this depends on who the audience is, right, 540 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: So if it's like your boss, I could see wanting 541 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: to get things a little bit more on the perfection 542 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: like than you know, clean clear side. But if it's 543 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: someone that's your true friend and you want to hang 544 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: out with, then I mean probably they have messes in 545 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: their house too. And I definitely have like I feel 546 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: like the closer I am to someone, the more I'm like, yes, 547 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: come over our house as a disaster. And I've never 548 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: felt like, even after welcoming someone into our house the 549 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: first time in our house not being perfectly clean, I've 550 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: never felt like that like ruined the relationship. And honestly, 551 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: if it does, that probably wasn't a worth while. Yeah, 552 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: I would say, like, you need to think about this 553 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: from the other perspective. I mean, you may feel embarrassed 554 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: for whatever reason about you know the fact that you 555 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: have lots of kids and toys and kid messes in 556 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: your house or whatever. But have you ever been to 557 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: someone's house that is, you know, not straight out of 558 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: pinterest and like judge them as a result, Like if 559 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: you've been invited to a friend's house for dinner and 560 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: they had kid toys on the floor, where you're like, Wow, 561 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: this person, she clearly doesn't have her stuff to gather. 562 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: WHOA I think less of her now? Like, I really 563 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: don't think many of our listeners have that mindset, and 564 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: so most likely the people that you are invoiding over 565 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: don't think that way either, right, Like, that's just not 566 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: how people are. We're grateful that somebody had us. We're 567 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: excited about spending a night together and talking about fun stuff, 568 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: like if we were able to have our kids play 569 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: together in another part of the house. Like even better, 570 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: like it didn't even have to hire a babysitter and 571 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 1: got to do a you know, an evening you know 572 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: with adult company. That sounds pretty awesome. The one thing 573 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: I will say, you probably want to clean the bathroom, yes, 574 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: but it doesn't have to be like an elaborate clean 575 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: like go in there with some spray, like wipe everything down, okay, 576 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: and move on, move on with your your life. But yeah, 577 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: that's I think that would be the one thing that 578 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: might some people might have a more visceral kind of 579 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: unhappy about with an unclean bathroom which they have less 580 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: control over versus like just you know, seeing kid toys 581 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: on the floor or something like that. So you know, 582 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: don't make it be an issue. Clean whatever bathroom or 583 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: you're going to have your guests use maybe even light 584 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: a nice little candle and put in the clean towels. 585 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: Put your focus on that. And if that room is clean, 586 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: like just don't let your kids use it for you know, 587 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: whatever that day that you've been Hopefully there's more than 588 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: one bathroom in this apartment. If they have multiple kids, 589 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,959 Speaker 1: as long as it's a two bathroom apartment, then they 590 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: can all use the other bathroom for the day when 591 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: you are you are having people over. But yeah, I 592 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: would say our advice is have people over, don't worry 593 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: so much about the mess. Yes, all right, I came 594 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: up with a love of the week. All right, you 595 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: go first, then interval workouts, which by the way, I 596 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: got to witness this morning on our hotel treadmills that 597 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: it is, especially on the treadmill, it is so much 598 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: more fun to do intervals than it is to do 599 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: in general. But I gotta say, and just like, as 600 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: I'm in sort of a running obsession phase, like the 601 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: best workouts are the ones where you have to do 602 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: some specific set of intervals because they go by so 603 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: fast and they're challenging, and running fast is pretty exhilarating. 604 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: Makes you feel younger than you actually are, perhaps for 605 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: brief moments in time. So just really enjoy those types 606 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: of workouts. Yeah, whatever Sarah was doing was pretty intense 607 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: this morning. It went on for quite a while. I 608 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: was like, it was complicated, it is good. I left 609 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: it some weights and then left and I was like, 610 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: I'm a showered, I have my coffee, and then you 611 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: get a text I'm done. I don't. But yeah, no, 612 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: so my love of the week. Sadly, all I did 613 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: was run like a you know, plotting little five k 614 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: and did a few weights somewhat half hearted late, and 615 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: then was out of there. But I had a lovely 616 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: little bit of espresso on my porch here in this 617 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: particular hotel that they have these espresso machines in the room, 618 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: which are great. I know often hotels have like those 619 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: K cup type coffee. This is similar, only it's with 620 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: espresso pods and it's better. It's better, And I'm kind 621 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: of liking the espresso concept in general. I mean, I 622 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 1: love coffee, but you drink a lot of coffee, You're 623 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: running to the bathroom all morning, whereas espresso there's just 624 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: less liquid involved, less volume, which you know, you get 625 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: the caffeine, but without the same need. And I like 626 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,479 Speaker 1: the phone, the phone, the phone. Well there you go. 627 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: All right, Well this has been best of both worlds. 628 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: We've been talking about the three c's for advancing your 629 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: career in twenty twenty three. We hope everyone will give 630 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: these a try. If you're thinking about goals you might 631 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: set in the upcoming year, First to collaborate, So choose 632 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: someone cool, start a project together, like hey, launching a podcast. 633 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,719 Speaker 1: Connect so stage some sort of gathering or get together 634 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: with people that you find interesting, colleagues or people in 635 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: an adjacent field, whether that's starting like a strategy group 636 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: or a mastermind group, or you know, just having a 637 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: people get together for a party or having a recurring 638 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: sort of, you know, launch group at your office. All 639 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: of those are great ideas, but be the person to 640 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: start it. Lots of people want to have these things, 641 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: they don't necessarily want to be the person to start them. 642 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: But you know, our listeners are ambitious and productive people, 643 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: so if anyone's going to start it, it's going to 644 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: be you. And finally, collect so think about how you 645 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: can make more money in twenty twenty three. Money, of course, 646 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: is not everything in this world, but it does enable 647 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: a lot more choices and can make life a lot 648 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: more easier, and you should be fairly compensated for all 649 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: the wonderful things you are doing. So yeah, this has 650 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: been best of both worlds. We will be back next 651 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: week with more on making work and life fit together. 652 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 653 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 654 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 655 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 656 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and 657 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,479 Speaker 1: life work together.