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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in. I hope all of you

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Speaker 1: are having fantastic Tuesdays wherever you may be across this

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Speaker 1: great country or around the world. As we know many

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Speaker 1: of you are listening all over the place, especially as

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Speaker 1: the holiday season gets closer and closer. Christmas not very

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Speaker 1: far away, get that shopping done, thirteen days until Christmas Day,

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Speaker 1: and the New Year's lots coming your way, Lots to

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Speaker 1: be decided, and let's dive right into what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Several different stories out there, But we've got a couple

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Speaker 1: of great guests for you. Andy McCarthy is going to

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Speaker 1: be on with us in the second hour to break

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Speaker 1: down all these legal shenanigans, both with Hunter Biden and

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Speaker 1: also with Donald Trump, the expedited case argument in front

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Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court. What in the world's happening? And

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Speaker 1: then a guy that I know many of you are

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Speaker 1: going to be very excited to hear from, Tucker Carlson,

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Speaker 1: is going to be with us in the third hour.

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Speaker 1: Tucker has not done a lot of media since he

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Speaker 1: left his show back in April, if I remember correctly,

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Speaker 1: was when that happened, So he is going to be

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Speaker 1: on with us in the third hour, So you can

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Speaker 1: go ahead and get geared up for all of that

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Speaker 1: three stories that are out there that we're going to

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Speaker 1: be talking about, I think in some degree of earnest

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Speaker 1: throughout the course of today's show, along with many others.

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Speaker 1: What in the world's going on with the Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: legal proceedings? What's the Supreme Court doing? Is there any

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Speaker 1: way that this trial is going to start on March fourth?

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Speaker 1: And how does it play out both legally and politically.

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Speaker 1: Chris Sununu is the governor of New Hampshire reportedly endorsing

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Speaker 1: Nicky Haley as president. You knew that he was not

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Speaker 1: endorsing Trump. But does this set the table for DeSantis

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Speaker 1: to be favored to come in second in Iowa and

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Speaker 1: then Nicky Haley to come in second in New Hampshire?

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Speaker 1: And how do we assess the political calculus there with

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Speaker 1: the next big state that would be up on that

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Speaker 1: calendar being South Carolina, where Nicki Haley obviously was the

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Speaker 1: former governor, but also a place where Donald Trump is

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Speaker 1: very popular. We will get into that, but buck we

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Speaker 1: begin with the rules not applying if you are the

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Speaker 1: right diversity and inclusion higher. Claudine Gay, who is the

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Speaker 1: Harvard president, has been given basically a full throated protection

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Speaker 1: been it seems quite clearly caught plagiarizing her PhD dissertation,

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Speaker 1: and she also was alongside of the MIT president and

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Speaker 1: the PEN president, Penn president, white woman fired. Is there

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Speaker 1: any doubt let's just start with this buck. Is there

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Speaker 1: any doubt that if a white guy said what Claudine

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Speaker 1: Gay said the exact same things and also was accused

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Speaker 1: of the exact same plagiarism, that that man would have

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Speaker 1: lost his job in your mind? Any doubt at all?

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Speaker 1: Zero doubt.

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Speaker 2: And I would just note that I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: the bigger issue here is obviously calling for the genocide

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Speaker 2: of the Jews doesn't violate Harvard's code of conduct. I

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Speaker 2: think the testimony is worse than the plagiarism. Some people

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Speaker 1: But oh, I actually think, I actually think I disagree. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 1: if I were ranking those because the plagiarism is an

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Speaker 2: Plagiarism is pretty I mean, look, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: she didn't cite she like paraphrased.

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Speaker 1: All of academia. To me is is largely BS right.

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Speaker 1: There was a world out there where I would have

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Speaker 1: enjoyed being a professor on a campus when people were

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Speaker 1: still saying either of history or law or even creative writing,

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Speaker 2: I think I think changing the rules suddenly, because that's

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Speaker 2: the key. It's not that you can say whatever you

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Speaker 2: it's oh my gosh if you don't use the preferred pronoun.

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Speaker 2: And we can get into how this Harvard president specifically

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Speaker 2: was an enforcer of those double standards before, which is

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Speaker 2: not a surprise at all. But look, I mean, the

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Speaker 2: bottom line here is that if a prominent DEI higher

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Speaker 2: combination of the two things, it would mean that other

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Speaker 2: hired because DEI elevates the characteristics of protected classes, being black,

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Speaker 2: We all know this, we understand this, and the constitution

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Speaker 2: doesn't actually allow for this, as a Supreme Court finally

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Speaker 2: and this is why I had a bet. I think

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting because the white woman from you Penn

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Speaker 1: Now as to which is so we know what this is.

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Speaker 2: She's unfirable because the moment you allow a prominent DEI

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Speaker 2: you open up the doorway to well, you know, what

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Speaker 2: about this person here? What about that person there? No

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Speaker 2: one thinks that person's good at their job? Maybe we should. No, no,

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Speaker 2: can't do that, have to keep And let's talking about

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Speaker 2: elite profession elite you know positions, not talking about you know,

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Speaker 2: people who are like, you know, working hourly wage jobs

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Speaker 2: the president of Harvard. She's making I'm sure over a

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Speaker 2: million dollars a year. She's determined. You know, this is

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Speaker 2: a prominent, very visual position. Okay, interesting, you disagree, you

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Speaker 2: think the plagiers is worse. I saw the plagiarism instances.

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Speaker 2: If she had copied and pasted like whole pages on

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Speaker 2: this little bit of a gray area. But students, to

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Speaker 2: like I think the plagiarism rules are a little you know,

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Speaker 2: when have you stolen an idea from somebody? Did they

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Speaker 2: even really know? So here's where I think it's challenging.

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Speaker 1: I actually agree with the position that the pen, the MIT,

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Speaker 1: agree with somebody who walks around and says white people

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Speaker 1: all those things. I think you should be able to

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Speaker 1: concern is they're not going to acknowledge their hypocrisy and say, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we have been artificially curtailing speech on campus.

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Speaker 1: the reaction to what I think has been a very

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Speaker 1: viral congressional testimony is actually not going to go the

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Speaker 1: way we want, which is everybody gets treated equally, and

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Speaker 1: all forms of speech, even abhorrent ones, should be permitted

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Speaker 1: on a college campus, which is what I believe. I

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Speaker 1: protectionism of all of these coddled students. And so I

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Speaker 1: don't know what the best way to bring that about is.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean what Jewish Americans have been shown and at

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Speaker 2: conservative Jews are not surprised by this and know this.

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Speaker 2: But what liberal Jews in this country, right left wing

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Speaker 2: Jews have found out in this whole process is if

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Speaker 1: That's what they're stunned by. They're like, we've been for centuries,

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Speaker 1: history matters at all. We are the white oppressor.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And so that that's what has been the shots

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Speaker 2: the story, and I'm just gonna you know, there's a

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Speaker 2: the it's not just that, you know, calling for the

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Speaker 2: genocide of the Jews is obscene. It's that there was

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Speaker 2: this double standard that was so obvious all along. Andrew Sullivan,

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Speaker 1: He'd put this out there. President Gay.

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Speaker 2: Has said that in the past fat phobia and and

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Speaker 2: Forms of violence, and that using the wrong pronouns constitutes abuse.

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Speaker 2: The same president of Harvard engineered the ouster of a

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Speaker 2: they become free speech absolutists on calling for the genocide

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Speaker 2: six months. Some of these people, I'm just going to

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Speaker 2: tell you this, when it comes time for their kid

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Speaker 2: or their grandkid to get into Harvard, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: those donations get turned back on.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let my oldest son pick whatever college he wants,

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Speaker 1: which is what I think most parents should do. You

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Speaker 1: a choice. I gotta tell you, though, Buck, I'm not

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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel aspirational to me. It doesn't feel like

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Speaker 1: I wonder how many people out there listening right now

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Speaker 1: when we were growing up, roughly, you know, the eighties,

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Speaker 2: Well, there were two There were two things. One is

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Speaker 1: To Harvard, maybe it opens doors, view maybe it does.

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Speaker 2: It depends, you know, if you're some if you're if

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Speaker 1: With well, and especially that's the case when you're starting

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Speaker 1: to delegitimize standardized testing, which theoretically existed to allow a

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Speaker 2: People who say, well, it's all going to continue until

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: People who say that misunderstand the nature and the mentality

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Speaker 2: DEI played any role in this? You sexist, you racist,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Okay Buck.

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Speaker 1: Reports are that Sununu, the governor of New Hampshire, is

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Speaker 1: going to endorse Nicky Hayley. We know that Kim Reynolds.

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Speaker 1: But if you have two different candidates come in second

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have any quibble with your analysis, unlike

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Speaker 1: So we agree on politics, we disagree on what to

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Speaker 1: do with a chip. If you only have one thing,

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Speaker 2: I'm still smarting from your snide comments about crab dips, Sir,

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Speaker 2: I have not forgotten. But yes on that's just my

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Speaker 2: you're you're seeing it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: If you need you need a Trump alternative in the primary,

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Speaker 2: as can have multiple Trump alternatives once the votes are cast,

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Speaker 2: because he's at fifty percent bottom line, that's where we are.

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Speaker 1: I really thought if you would have said in you know.

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Speaker 2: A pea, I'm not saying you need a Trump alternative

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Speaker 1: I'm not telling people who to vote for. Okay. Second

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Speaker 1: endorsement when he's not running, obviously, is very impactful in

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Speaker 1: Because I I think if you talk to people in Iowa,

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a little bit like when people start to calculate,

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Speaker 2: you know, if it's really close, it may make a difference.

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Speaker 2: But there are plenty of times where you have candidates

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Speaker 2: But if you're forty points or thirty points behind, I

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Speaker 1: It's like buying a diamond ring. You know a little

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Speaker 1: I can vaguely remember you just went through this recently, Carrot.

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Speaker 2: guys out there you think, you think it's not a

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Speaker 2: cz or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's not you know, cubic or codium. It is a diamond.

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Speaker 1: It is a diamond.

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Speaker 2: It is a diamond, and it costs you half what

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Speaker 2: an actual mind diamond does.

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Speaker 1: And it's becoming a big issue out there because I

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Speaker 1: was just reading about it recently. I think it was

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Speaker 1: on the front page of the Wall Street Journal. Talking

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Speaker 1: about how as a result, women's diamond rings in case

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Speaker 1: you were already shopping and you're nervous, have gotten a

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Speaker 1: lot bigger recently because to your point, you can buy

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Speaker 1: a much bigger ring for the price, and nobody can

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Speaker 1: tell the difference whether it's you know, a lab manufactured

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Speaker 1: or or from the ground.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to America, where you can afford now twice the

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Speaker 2: diamond and half the house.

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Speaker 1: It's a good point. That's exactly where we are, so

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Speaker 1: building on this Chris Snunu endorsement. But tell me how

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Speaker 1: this isn't all a grand, elaborate scheme for Nicky Haley

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Speaker 1: to get the vice presidency. I just I look at

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Speaker 1: this and I say, everybody's gonna drop out. Nicky Haley

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Speaker 1: may well be the last person standing. The math does

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Speaker 1: not add up for her ever beating Trump. I don't

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Speaker 1: believe head to head now. She may have a chance

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Speaker 1: in New Hampshire because they have a lot of independence

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Speaker 1: and Democrats. But it seems to me that this is

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Speaker 1: all just setting up for Trump to pick Nicky Haley

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Speaker 1: as his VP. And this thing's all sign sild delivered

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Speaker 1: by Valentine's Day. I would think in my mind. Nicki Haley.

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Speaker 1: In many ways, the best path for her.

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Speaker 2: The most that she could hope for realistically, is to

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Speaker 2: be Trump's VP.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of Trump voters don't want that,

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Speaker 2: but just remember who is Trump's last VP. You're excited

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Speaker 2: about that choice, So don't count out Nikky Haley. Right,

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Speaker 2: she would be in a position where the base would

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Speaker 2: become you know, the Trump maga world. I think if

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Speaker 2: she served Trump ably as vice president would become you know,

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Speaker 2: more favorable toward her, and it would be very difficult

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Speaker 2: to take the you know, on deck spot if you

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Speaker 2: will away from her, and it comes up in just

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Speaker 2: a couple of years. It is so we keep forgetting

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Speaker 2: this all the presidential dynamics about who's running and who

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Speaker 2: wants what, And it's so different when you have a

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Speaker 2: candidate who can only be president for four more years. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: which is true on both sides. You know, Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: cannot be president for eight more years, and so if

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Speaker 2: you are his vice president, you're a particularly powerful spot

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Speaker 2: because in two years, everyone's going to turn to you

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Speaker 2: and be like, you're the one I was gonna see it.

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Speaker 1: You're the gal. In Nicki Haley's case, I loved politics too,

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Speaker 1: by the way, because I was gonna say, you know,

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Speaker 1: Nicki Haley's pretty young. She's fifty one. Politics is the

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Speaker 1: only place where you can be like fifty six or

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Speaker 1: fifty eight and people are like, you know, he or she,

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Speaker 1: they're pretty young. Chris spring Chicken at fifty five. Every

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Speaker 1: other profession you would look at somebody in their fifties,

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Speaker 1: certainly the top half of the fifties, you would never

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Speaker 1: describe them as young. Remember when was it Henry Hyde

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Speaker 1: who confessed to cheating and said that cheating at the

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Speaker 1: age of forty two was a youthful indiscretion and he

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Speaker 1: was like eighty four years old or something, so he

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Speaker 1: was describing himself at forty two as youthful. I don't

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Speaker 1: think most people out there think of, you know, like

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Speaker 1: forty two or forty three as youthful, unless you're like

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Speaker 1: in your eighties, and then obviously things are different. But

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Speaker 1: the point is Nicki Haley, I believe is fifty one.

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Speaker 1: She would be fifty five and an overwhelming favorite to

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Speaker 1: be picked as the nominee in twenty twenty eight if

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Speaker 1: she was the VP. It sends to me she's running

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Speaker 1: for that.

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Speaker 2: A part of me that a part of this rather

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Speaker 2: that I left out of it was even if Nicki

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Speaker 2: Haley were by some miracle able to win the primary

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Speaker 2: against Trump, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know that all that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that Trump voters come out for Nicki

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Speaker 2: Haley where they have to for her to win the general, right,

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Speaker 2: whereas if she becomes vice president, I think there's a

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Speaker 2: better shot down the line. She goes a little more maga,

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Speaker 2: she goes to more rallies, she's helpful to Trump. Maybe

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Speaker 2: that people right now, I know what a lot of

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Speaker 2: people are thinking. That's crazy. He would never she It's.

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Speaker 1: Politics, folks. Yeah, you know, things change very very quickly.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was only six months ago that we

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Speaker 2: were getting calls and emails saying that it should be

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Speaker 2: an RFK junior Trump ticket. I remember this, and I

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Speaker 2: was telling everybody he's a Democrat. He's a Democrat, He's

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Speaker 2: a Democrat. I kept saying this over and over again.

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Speaker 2: And now sure enough he's running third party.

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Speaker 1: And helping Trump. It looks like in some of the

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Speaker 1: states because it just ties to Biden's lack of popularity.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we got Tucker in hour three. I

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Speaker 1: would pick if I were Trump right now, I would

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Speaker 1: pick Tucker. That's who I would pick. So I understand

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Speaker 1: again my first pick is take a state where you

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Speaker 1: guarantee yourself. I've said this for months, maybe even a

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Speaker 1: year or more. Trump's not gonna do that. If he's

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Speaker 1: not going to do that, I think Tucker would be

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Speaker 1: his best possible option. What do you think really do.

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Speaker 2: Eight eight hundred two eight two two eight a two

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Speaker 2: come back to this. Also, remember, in the next hour

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be diving into the Jack Smith legal hail Mary.

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Speaker 2: I think you could call it over the January sixth

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Speaker 2: election twenty twenty trial in DC against Trump. Andy McCarthy's

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Speaker 2: gonna break that down with this. And also we're talking

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Speaker 2: about some of the hundred Biden stuff too, So we've

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in everybody, and now we're going to dive

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Speaker 2: into an issue that could determine the presidency, I mean,

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Speaker 2: could actually have that level of impact on the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four election. And to break down the legal realities

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Speaker 2: of it, our friend Andy McCarthy making.

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Speaker 1: The time for us.

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Speaker 2: He's at National Review and at Fox News twenty plus

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Speaker 2: years in the Southern District of New York as a

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Speaker 2: federal prosecutor. Andy, can you first just lay it first

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Speaker 2: of all, thank you, welcome, great to have you. As always,

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Speaker 2: Clay's gonna hold off on the baseball questions until the

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Speaker 2: end because I'm sure there's some sports stuff you guys

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Speaker 2: have to talk about.

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Speaker 1: And I'll drink my coffee.

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Speaker 5: But that's one this week, so I'm good.

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Speaker 1: Oh there we go, all right, thirty points. Second half.

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Speaker 1: You guys are on fire. I'm apparently a Jets fan.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know it.

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Speaker 2: And Andy, there's big legal move by Jacksonmith, the special counsel.

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Speaker 2: Can you just before we get into like the political

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Speaker 2: implications where it's going for everybody, what has happened here?

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Speaker 2: Like why is Jack Smith trying to accelerate go to

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court to handle what question? And what do

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Speaker 2: you think about what's going on?

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Speaker 5: So this is one of those weird ones fuck where

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Speaker 5: the timing is as important or maybe even more important

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Speaker 5: than the substance of the question at issue. The question

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Speaker 5: being whether a president has immunity from criminal prosecution for

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Speaker 5: actions taken within the ambit of his presidential authority that

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Speaker 5: later an inferior executive official, namely a prosecutor, decides were criminal.

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Speaker 5: So that's the question is on immunity from criminal prosecution.

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Speaker 5: The reason this issue is important in a way that

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Speaker 5: other significant pre trial issues in the case are not

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Speaker 5: is that the preference in ceteral law is that you

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Speaker 5: try the whole criminal case in front of the trial

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Speaker 5: court and then and only then does it go up

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Speaker 5: on appeal. So what we call interlocatory appeals or pre

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Speaker 5: trial appeals, appeals before the judgment, before the verdict, etc.

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Speaker 5: They are frowned on in federal law. The exception is

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Speaker 5: a narrow bunch of issues where the question is whether

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Speaker 5: it's appropriate to have the trial in the first place.

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Speaker 5: One issue I would compare immunity to is like double jeopardy,

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Speaker 5: where the offense is not just convicting somebody a second

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Speaker 5: time for the same offense, it's actually subjecting them to

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Speaker 5: the trial. Immunity is the same kind of issue. The

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Speaker 5: question is should Trump faith trial on these allegations. The

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Speaker 5: reason that's important, and the fact that it's appealable is

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Speaker 5: important is because Trump's strategy here, as Jack Smith knows,

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Speaker 5: is delay, and the Democrats strategy, jack Smith's strategy is

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Speaker 5: get on with the trial and try to get them

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Speaker 5: convicted before the election. Right. So that's the that's the

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Speaker 5: counter points here, And the problem that Smith has is

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Speaker 5: in federal law, once a case gets appealed from the

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Speaker 5: district court, which is the trial court, then the trial

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Speaker 5: court loses jurisdiction over it until the Court of Appeals acts,

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Speaker 5: And in this case, you could appeal to the Court

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Speaker 5: of Appeals, which would be the District of Columbia Circuit,

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Speaker 5: and then on to the Supreme Court. So, knowing this,

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Speaker 5: the Obama appointee who has the case, Judge Tanya Chuckin,

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Speaker 5: put immunity on a fast track for briefing indecision even

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Speaker 5: faster than the other pre trial issues, which are some

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Speaker 5: of them are important some of them are fairly ordinary.

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Speaker 5: She got them to brief this quick and then she

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Speaker 5: got a decision done December one because she knew Trump

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Speaker 5: would appeal, and Trump did, in fact appeal to the

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Speaker 5: District of Columbia Circuit. What Smith is afraid of is

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Speaker 5: if the Circuit court doesn't expedite and takes too much

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Speaker 5: time to decide, and then after if it rules against Trump,

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Speaker 5: after that happens, Trump then appeals to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 5: They could lose their scheduled March four trial day. And

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Speaker 5: if the trial slips much further past March fourth, then

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Speaker 5: you have this Justice Department that pretends to follow this

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Speaker 5: rule that it tries not to engage in activities that

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Speaker 5: could have an influence over the election. So the later

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Speaker 5: it pushes into the year, the less likely it is

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Speaker 5: that you actually have a trial of this case. And

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Speaker 5: they're desperate to try this case, so he decided to

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Speaker 5: try to cut out the Court of Appeals, get to

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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court and get it decided quick.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So, by the way, I should mention as well

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Speaker 1: that as part of Trump's deay actions to try to

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Speaker 1: delay the court, he could also initially and this is

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Speaker 1: getting into a little bit of the weeds, Andy, but

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Speaker 1: initially correct me if I'm wrong. This goes to what's

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Speaker 1: called an on bonk hearing. Right, Like, there's only like

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Speaker 1: three judges on the DC Court of Appeals. Then if

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Speaker 1: you don't like that ruling, which I would imagine Trump's

658
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Speaker 1: probably not gonna like, then he can appeal, asking the

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Speaker 1: entire DC Court of Appeals to hear it, which would

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Speaker 1: be the entire group sits in heres before he even

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Speaker 1: had to go to the Supreme Court. So there's actually

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Speaker 1: another level of a pel a pillot practice that I

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Speaker 1: would imagine he would take advantage of. Right.

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Speaker 5: That's a great point, Clay, and it's not only true,

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Speaker 5: but we've seen it. Right. So, even though the DC

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Speaker 5: Circuit has eleven active judges, seven Democratic appointees than four

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Speaker 5: Republican appointees. But somehow General Flynn, in his criminal case

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Speaker 5: in the Districts of Columbia, managed to pull a favorable

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Speaker 5: panel and it ruled in his favor and said that

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Speaker 5: the case against them had to be dismissed. So usually

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Speaker 5: these petitions for rehearing on bank are pretty routinely denied

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Speaker 5: by the Court of Appeals, but in that case they

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Speaker 5: took it. So you're quite right, that added like another

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Speaker 5: month or so to the you know, to what it

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Speaker 5: took to decide all that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what's going on in your mind with what

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is doing here? Because here's what tell

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Speaker 1: me why you think that I could be misanalyzing this.

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Speaker 1: I think the Supreme Court, if they wanted to, could

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Speaker 1: say I looked at their calendar, Hey, we're going to

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Speaker 1: have an oral argument on this at the end of April.

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Speaker 1: They then would not release a ruling, probably until the

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Speaker 1: very end of June when their term was up. And

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Speaker 1: by the time they did that, I think there would

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Speaker 1: be almost no chance of being able to get this

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Speaker 1: trial started, jury seated, everything else before we get to

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Speaker 1: the election. To me, that would be a way for

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Speaker 1: the court to basic not really get involved in politics,

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Speaker 1: analyze it, but then they can say, hey, let people decide.

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Speaker 1: This trial is not going to happen. So am I

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Speaker 1: missing anything here? What is the Supreme Court doing in

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Speaker 1: your mind? And if you were assessing this right now,

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Speaker 1: what do you think the likelihood is that this case

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Speaker 1: starts on March fourth? It seems highly unlikely to me

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Speaker 1: that March fourth start is going to happen.

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Speaker 5: Well, the reporting at least is that the Supreme Court

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Speaker 5: has indicated it will not it's not only taking the case,

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Speaker 5: but it will decide it expeditiously. And that is what uh,

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Speaker 5: that's what Smith says he wants. And I the reason

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Speaker 5: I sort of put quotes around says or emphasis is

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Speaker 5: you know he could lose in the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the whole case is done then basically right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, And this is it's an interesting issue. It's

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Speaker 5: never been decided by the Supreme Court. They've ruled that

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Speaker 5: the president has immunity from civil lawsuits. They've indicated that

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Speaker 5: they would probably come out the opposite way on criminal liability.

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Speaker 5: But as I argued in a column over the weekend,

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Speaker 5: the difference is back in the time when they made

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Speaker 5: that ruling, we had a norm against political prosecutions in

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Speaker 5: this country, which I don't think holds anymore. Right, So,

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Speaker 5: I think that I think Smith is making an error

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Speaker 5: here myself, and my advice is worth what he's saying

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Speaker 5: for it, right, But I think he'd have been better

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Speaker 5: off because I agree with you that the Supreme Court

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Speaker 5: doesn't want any part of a case that would enmesh

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Speaker 5: it in the politics of twenty twenty four if it

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Speaker 5: could avoid it. So, I think Smith would have been

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Speaker 5: better off getting a decision from the DC Circuit, which

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Speaker 5: highly likely would be in his favor, and done expeditiously.

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Speaker 5: And I think at that point what the Court would

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Speaker 5: have said is, you know what, we're not going to

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Speaker 5: take the case now, because now it would have been

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Speaker 5: Trump appealing.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: I think he would have said, we're not going to

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Speaker 5: take the case now. But if you know, if there's

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Speaker 5: a trial and Trump gets convicted and he goes through

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Speaker 5: the appeal, we'll consider the whole thing then, including the immunity,

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Speaker 5: and that would get them out of the twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Four box, right.

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Speaker 5: And I also think Smith would have a stronger hand

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Speaker 5: if he went up to the Supreme Court with a

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Speaker 5: favorable ruling from the DC Circuit in his pocket, which

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Speaker 5: he's not going to have. On the other hand, it's

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Speaker 5: interesting to think about what's going on here. It takes

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Speaker 5: four votes of the nine to accept the case. Now

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Speaker 5: because Smith is appealing, I imagine that the three progressive

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Speaker 5: judges on the Court would probably have been inclined to

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Speaker 5: agree with him and take the case. But I also

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Speaker 5: think there's a lot of people on the Court who

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Speaker 5: are not going to like this case at all, not

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Speaker 5: just the immunity issue, which in this day and age

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Speaker 5: where you have politicized prosecution, I think that may worry

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Speaker 5: them because the rationale for giving a president immunity from

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Speaker 5: civil suit I don't see any difference from criminal liability.

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Speaker 5: But the other thing is, I think Trump has always

747
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Speaker 5: wanted to get this case in from the Supreme Court

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Speaker 5: because these four charges that Smith has brought to me

749
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Speaker 5: are very extravagant interpretations of law, and some of them

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Speaker 5: fly in the face of some Supreme Court authority. I

751
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Speaker 5: think there's going to be justices on this court that

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Speaker 5: don't like this case and see that Smith is trying

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Speaker 5: to expedite it, not for a reason a prosecutor is

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Speaker 5: supposed to act, which would be consistent with the law,

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Speaker 5: but for purely political purposes. You know, prosecutor is not

756
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Speaker 5: supposed to worry about who's going to win the election

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Speaker 5: and whether he'll pardon himself and all that. That's not

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Speaker 5: that's not a law enforcement concern. That's the political concern.

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Speaker 5: So I think there's there'll be a number of justices

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Speaker 5: who are offended by this. The trajectory of the jurisprudence.

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Speaker 5: To me, it makes it likely that they deny him.

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Speaker 5: But I don't think it's a sure thing. And I

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Speaker 5: think Smith could very well lose this case.

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Speaker 2: And if that happens, it's game over, right Andy, Just

765
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Speaker 2: to be clear, if you're right, I mean, then the

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Speaker 2: whole DC case goes away.

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Speaker 1: What do you I mean?

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Speaker 2: Look, I know we're asking for a lot here for

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Speaker 2: you to pull out the McCarthy crystal ball. Between now

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Speaker 2: and whenever this thing is, it's clear how it's all going.

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Speaker 2: How do you think the DC case is resolved one

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Speaker 2: way or another?

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Speaker 5: I think he got I think the likelihood this is

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Speaker 5: not what I want to happen, and I think there's

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Speaker 5: a good chance it won't.

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Speaker 1: Happen this way.

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Speaker 5: But if I you know, gun to my head, absolutely

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Speaker 5: what I think will happen. I think the court decides,

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Speaker 5: either five to four or six to three that Trump

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Speaker 5: does not have immunity. They do it expeditiously enough that

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Speaker 5: Chuckin can Judge Chuckkin can have her trial on March fourth,

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Speaker 5: and I'm afraid what happens is after a two to

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Speaker 5: three month trial in DC which is a hostile jury

784
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Speaker 5: pool with a hostile judge. Trump gets can on at

785
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Speaker 5: least one of the four counts, and then we're going

786
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Speaker 5: to be you guys at II are going to be

787
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Speaker 5: sitting around scratching our heads wondering does he get sentenced

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Speaker 5: to prison, because if he gets convicted on one of

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Speaker 5: these counts, it's probably the sentencing guidelines are probably going

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Speaker 5: to call for a sentence of some incarceration. Usually a

791
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Speaker 5: defendant gets sentenced three months after the jury rules, and

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Speaker 5: the preference in federal law is that a defendant who's

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Speaker 5: convicted and sentenced to a term of imprisonment has to

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Speaker 5: be remanded pending appeal. And the only way that you

795
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Speaker 5: can get around that is if the judge says, I

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Speaker 5: believe there's some you know, profound error or question in

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Speaker 5: this record that would possibly, you know, bode wealth a

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Speaker 5: hit for Trump on appeal. District judges who've tried cases

799
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Speaker 5: don't like to signal to the Court of Appeals that

800
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Speaker 5: there's a big error in their record, So it'd be you.

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Speaker 1: Think they would put him in cost if he were

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Speaker 1: victed and basically put him in prison pending appeal.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. How that would work play, because

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Speaker 5: we've never had a situation that I know of where

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Speaker 5: you had a secret service for so you know, they

806
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Speaker 5: could give him home confinement. They could come up with

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Speaker 5: a bunch of.

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Speaker 1: But in the middle of the election though, because we're

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Speaker 1: talking about this conviction, if it happened coming down, you know,

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Speaker 1: June or July, right under this time frame, if they

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Speaker 5: I'd say May, yeah, late May, early June.

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Speaker 1: Right. By the way, can you come back with us

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Speaker 6: are doing this and having been shut up a few

867
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Speaker 6: times through advertiser boycotts or corporate pressure.

868
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Speaker 4: Or whatever it happens.

869
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Speaker 6: But I think, going particularly into this next twelve months,

870
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Speaker 6: you know you're going to need outlets that can't be

871
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 6: shut up. You literally can't make them be quiet, and

872
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 6: not that you know, you don't have to watch if

873
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 6: you don't want. You don't have to listen if.

874
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 4: You don't want.

875
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Speaker 6: But if you do want information that's honest and that's

876
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 6: not being controlled or edited by people with interests, they're

877
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Speaker 6: not disclosing, you know, it's really important to have that,

878
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 6: especially in an electioneer. So that's what we're building.

879
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: Hey, tuckers Buck, you know I see that Elon. Of course,

880
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: now that he is for free speech, the left is

881
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 2: decided that he's like public Enemy number one, even though

882
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: he's arguably doing more for you know, the issue of

883
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: climate change and clean energy and all this than any

884
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Speaker 2: other human being in history.

885
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: They don't care.

886
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 2: They hate him because he's for free speech. Is what

887
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 2: you're doing really enabled or even just made possible because

888
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: X exists at this point as a place, because I mean,

889
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: I don't even people ask me. I don't even bother

890
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 2: posting really on Facebook or these things anymore. You know,

891
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: people can post for me sometimes, but they're not free

892
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: speech places at all. So is X kind of a

893
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 2: critical ingredient in the plan. And how does Elon's vision

894
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: and your vision, how do they intersect?

895
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Speaker 4: Are you kidding? I mean yes?

896
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Speaker 6: And by the way, I mean Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, I

897
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 6: mean you can reach a big audience with any of

898
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 6: these YouTube mister Beast does. Mister Beast is the biggest

899
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 6: creator on YouTube, and he is because he never crosses

900
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Speaker 6: any alliance.

901
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Speaker 4: I'm not attacking the guy. He does something very different.

902
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 6: But no one with political views that are out of

903
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 6: sync with the you know, three percent of the population.

904
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Speaker 4: His views are imposed on the rest of us.

905
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 6: No one could exist on any of those platforms.

906
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 4: Telling the truth, period.

907
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 6: So it's not you're right, it's not even worth it

908
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 6: is the only big media platform in the world.

909
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Speaker 4: That has free speech.

910
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 6: There's only one left, and that's because of Elon, you know,

911
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 6: whatever you think of him. And he was, you know,

912
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 6: after my kids, was the first person to call me

913
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Speaker 6: after our show got canceled. And you know, he didn't

914
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 6: offer me money or to hire me, but he just said,

915
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Speaker 6: I want you to know that we have this platform

916
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Speaker 6: or commitment to free speech is real and invite you on.

917
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Speaker 6: And we took him up on it, just as anyone

918
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Speaker 6: else could. We didn't get a special deal, and I've

919
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 6: been grateful for it ever since. I mean, we've made

920
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 6: precisely zero money. But I don't really care, you know,

921
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 6: I just there's a lot going on and I wanted

922
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 6: to continue to talk about it and to you know,

923
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 6: interview people and go around the world and talk to

924
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Speaker 6: people saying interesting things and record industring developments. And I

925
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 6: can't stand the idea of being silenced. I don't think

926
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 6: any Americans should stand for that. I mean, it's actually

927
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 6: I mean, I try to work myself into a frenzy,

928
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 6: but it's pretty unbelievable that everybody I know in this

929
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Speaker 6: country all born here, all Americans by birth, committed to

930
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Speaker 6: staying here.

931
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Speaker 4: They can have a conversation.

932
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 6: You're afraid to talk to people about controversial quote controversial

933
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 6: things over your phone because you know it's being monitored

934
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 6: or could be. Even with the phone in the room,

935
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 6: you know they can use it to listen to you.

936
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 6: Who's they the government and not just our government, other governments.

937
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Speaker 4: So the whole thing is like so crazy.

938
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Speaker 6: It's gotten so North Korean, where everybody is afraid to

939
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 6: think that anything I can do, and my staff from Fox,

940
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 6: and we brought most of our staff with us.

941
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Speaker 4: I'm grateful for that, very grateful for that.

942
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 6: But anything we can do to add, you know, to

943
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Speaker 6: a conversation that's real, that's not defined by lying, we're

944
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Speaker 6: going to do.

945
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Speaker 4: And that's what we're doing.

946
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Speaker 1: We're talking to Tucker Carlson. I know you have already

947
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: been asked about this, but let me just make my

948
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: pitch here. If Trump came to me and he said, Clay,

949
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me who I should pick

950
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: as vice president, my answer is you, And my answer

951
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Speaker 1: you because I think you can communicate what Trump is

952
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: often trying to say and sometimes getting attacked and not

953
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Speaker 1: being able to be the best defender of his perspective.

954
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Speaker 1: And that's not a shot at Trump, it's just more

955
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: of a compliment for you. I think you would be

956
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: the most effective vice president that he could possibly pick.

957
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: And I told him this, you heard it. I said

958
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: it on the radio directly to him. He responded, said

959
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: he was going to consider you. So if Trump really

960
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: came to you, Tucker, and if he said I think

961
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 1: that in order to win and run the best version

962
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Speaker 1: of a campaign in twenty twenty four, you are my guy.

963
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: Are you really telling me, you would say, can't do it.

964
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Speaker 5: Well?

965
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 6: All the same three things. One the only reason I'm

966
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 6: being asked about it.

967
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 1: At all is because you brought it up. You're welcome.

968
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: You're welcome.

969
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: I love putting that out to people. By the way,

970
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: like what do you think about Tucker for VP? And

971
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, we.

972
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: Kind of started that whole thing, so I think you know.

973
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: But by the way, before you finish your answer, you

974
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: can come back to your three partner here, Milanya. To

975
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: be fair, Axios had a report which I'm sure you saw,

976
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 1: where Milania Trump said it should be Tucker. Now, whether

977
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: that's true or not, Trump does listen to his wife,

978
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 1: I think, and I said this on the show earlier

979
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: this week. I think he blamed her for his endorsement

980
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: of Doctor Oz, which is very funny. So at the

981
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Speaker 1: event it didn't go well, he might blame her if

982
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: you were the pick. But how would you respond? Trump says,

983
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: I need you, You're my guy. We're gonna win. Otherwise

984
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm concerned nobody else can do what you can do.

985
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 1: You would respond, how.

986
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 4: Well?

987
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 6: I would just say first that that only proves that

988
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 6: Malania listens to your show, which is pretty flattering, I

989
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 6: feel so. Second, I would say I am in sync

990
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 6: with Donald Trump's some big ideas. You know, I definitely

991
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 6: was not in sync with some of his.

992
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 4: Staff choices at all.

993
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 6: But the idea is that he ran on, you know,

994
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 6: have a secure border, a trade power that helps your

995
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 6: own country, maybe fight fewer pointless wars, right, I mean,

996
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 6: it's not complicated. That's an extremely moderate, sensible, middle of

997
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 6: the road, non ideological platform, and the only reason that

998
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 6: most people don't recognize that is because of the torrents

999
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 6: of propaganda that have distorted it. And so I think

1000
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 6: if you say those things slowly, calmly, you know, this

1001
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 6: is your captain's speaking voice that people can hear, it

1002
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 6: is hard to believe that anybody could be opposed to

1003
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 6: that fight fewer pointless wars, like what is the point

1004
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 6: of NATO? Or just like we can have discussions about

1005
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 6: these things, but I think common sense will prevail if

1006
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 6: we do it in a calmway. That's my personal view.

1007
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 6: As for my role in that, I mean, I'm like

1008
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 6: pretty happy with what I'm doing. I can't imagine being

1009
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 6: in politics. Honestly, I don't like the people in politics.

1010
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 6: I like Trump, I think he's hilarious, he's fun to

1011
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 6: be with. He actually cares about the country and cares

1012
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 6: about people.

1013
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 4: That's real. I've seen it.

1014
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 6: But you know, most people in politicsarticularly the consultant class.

1015
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 6: I mean, I've spent my whole life around them, covering

1016
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 6: campaigns and living in Washington, and like, not one of

1017
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 6: them has ever been to my house for dinner.

1018
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 4: You know, I'd like the homeless to my house for dinner.

1019
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 6: Everyone can come to my house for dinner, except political people.

1020
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 6: They just can't because they're too fake. And I just

1021
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 6: can't deal with that. So the idea of being around

1022
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 6: fake people, even for a meal, much less a career,

1023
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 6: is like horrifying to me. So I mean, I don't know.

1024
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 6: I guess I would assess it if that incredibly unlikely

1025
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 6: thing happened to me and I felt like there was

1026
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 6: something I could contribute. And the last thing I'll say

1027
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 6: is I don't like people who seek power.

1028
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 4: I don't and I never have.

1029
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 6: And I also like I also don't like people whose

1030
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 6: like goal is to become rich. I don't like that either,

1031
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 6: And I know those are unpopular views, but I mean it,

1032
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 6: and I'm just going to.

1033
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: Say it because I don't care anymore.

1034
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 6: I just don't like, if you want a lot of

1035
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 6: power over me, you should not have power over me.

1036
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 4: That's how I feel.

1037
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 6: And if your goal in life is to have more

1038
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 6: money than you can spend, and you discussed me, that's

1039
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 6: called greed. It's like eating more food then you can digest,

1040
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 6: which is gluttony. It's just gross. And so though I mean,

1041
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 6: those are just not you know what I mean, Like,

1042
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 6: if you get rich in the process, that's great. But

1043
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 6: if you get powerful in the process because people, you know,

1044
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 6: want your leadership, I get it.

1045
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 4: That's a byproduct though that's not a goal.

1046
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 6: And politics draws a lot of people who want to

1047
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 6: be rich and famous and powerful for the sake of

1048
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 6: being rich and famous and powerful, and that's just like

1049
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 6: absolutely repugnant to me.

1050
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 1: Sorry, frankly, Clay.

1051
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 2: A lot of people are talking probably about Tucker as VP,

1052
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: the best, great VP, really wonderful.

1053
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it. We can get into some other

1054
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: stuff too here quick. By the way, that whole answer

1055
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: Tucker just solidified for me why you should be the

1056
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: pig you just you just come on, Clay is a

1057
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: dog with a bone.

1058
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 4: Tucker, you got to know they would have me.

1059
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: You should on the.

1060
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: Mike Pens interview. If you don't answer a question for Clay,

1061
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: he never lets it go.

1062
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: So that was the perfect answer. That's the answer I

1063
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: would want Trump's VP to give. When we come back,

1064
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: Tucker's gonna stick with us. We'll close out the show.

1065
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: We'll get in with some more questions, probably mit Harvard,

1066
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: penn What happened there and where does see things going

1067
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four as we progress in the meantime.

1068
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: Right now, you know what, We got a huge lack

1069
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: of testosterone in this country. In fact, fifty percent lower

1070
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: testosterone right now, which is pretty wild to think about.

1071
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: You have if you are a guy in our country,

1072
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: then your grandfather and your great grandfather may well have had.

1073
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: They can't even figure out exactly why testosterone is plumbing.

1074
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: But all you have to do is look at who's

1075
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: in sixteen hundred Pennsylvania right now and all of his

1076
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: male advisors, and think to yourself. Having the least testosterone

1077
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: laden white house in our history for all the men

1078
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: that are there is not making us stronger. And if

1079
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: you're out there right now and it's a holiday season

1080
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: and you're looking for more vim, vigor and vitality. Maybe

1081
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: maybe I bet you're listening to me right now. I

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Clay Buck Final segment of the day,

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Speaker 2: and it's a doozy. We've got our friend Tucker Carlson here.

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Speaker 2: He just launched the Tucker Carlson Network. Go sign up,

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Speaker 2: Go subscribe, Tucker switching gears here on the topics for

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Speaker 2: a second, beyond the possibility of like a VP and

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Speaker 2: Tucker administration of the future administrations, the president of Harvard

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Speaker 2: is not losing her job. I think it's interesting to

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Speaker 2: see who was surprised by this on the right and

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Speaker 2: who wasn't. I was not surprised. I'm sure you were

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Speaker 2: not surprised. But what does this tell us, if anything.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, it tells you that DEI is a religion.

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Speaker 6: Of course, she's a holy person. And it also tells

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Speaker 6: you that not just Harvard, which is the you know,

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Speaker 6: obviously the pinnacle of our higher education system, but the

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Speaker 6: entire system is a joke.

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Speaker 4: Because the worst.

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Speaker 6: Thing about Gay is not that she's an open bigot,

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Speaker 6: which she is and has always been, but that she's

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Speaker 6: an idiot. I mean, she's a scholar who goes by

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Speaker 6: the term doctor though she can't take out your appendix,

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Speaker 6: who's never written a book. So I'm a hacked journalist.

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Speaker 6: I've written a bunch of books. I wrote it myself

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Speaker 6: because I don't know. I like to read books.

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Speaker 4: I wrote books.

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Speaker 6: She's a scholar, if you'll get her scholarship. She's a

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Speaker 6: professor of African American studies or somebody's not even a

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Speaker 6: real discipline, and she's produced no real academic work. So

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Speaker 6: like in the end, leaving inside the demonstrations and even

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Speaker 6: the question of free speech, higher.

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Speaker 4: Education is about education.

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Speaker 6: And if the top scholar university can't even be bothered

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Speaker 6: or is not even capable of writing a single book,

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Speaker 6: you're a joke. And everyone has known that. The overseers

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Speaker 6: of Harvard have known that. All the people who are

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Speaker 6: paying close attention to the school, which is a lot

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Speaker 6: of people, probably too much attention to the school, have

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Speaker 6: known that, and no one said a word about it.

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Speaker 6: And it's like, how was this allowed to How'd you

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Speaker 6: get a dumb person running Harvard? And with this Larry Summers,

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Speaker 6: who is a very abrasive, difficult person who I have

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Speaker 6: a lot of trouble talking to you because he's so annoying.

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Speaker 4: At least he's indisputably a scholar. He's smart, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt he talked about that earlier. I mean

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Speaker 1: he got in trouble for saying something that is a fact,

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Speaker 1: which is men tend to be better at math and

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Speaker 1: women tend to be better at verbal related skills. Like

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Speaker 1: that's not an attack upon biology, that's just the reality.

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Speaker 1: And yet you got this woman who is plagiarizing and

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Speaker 1: is blatantly, you know, not supportive of free speech for

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Speaker 1: anyone that has a different opinion than her. And that

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Speaker 1: leads me into this question, Tucker, are you you've been

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Speaker 1: in media for most of your adult life? Are you

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Speaker 1: pessimistic or every day of my adult life? There you go?

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Speaker 1: Are you pessimistic or optimistic with the trend lines that

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Speaker 1: you see for media as we begin the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four presidential campaign. And I don't just mean over the

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Speaker 1: next ten months, I mean with what you see on

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Speaker 1: the larger landscape, how would you assess where we are

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Speaker 1: right now, not only as a nation, but also as

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Speaker 1: a world in terms of freedom of speech and the

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Speaker 1: status of media. In general.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, this is like not the first media

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Speaker 6: earthquake I've seen. When I got into the media business

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Speaker 6: over thirty years ago, I was a fact checker. That

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Speaker 6: was my first job, and I literally called people on

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Speaker 6: the phone to check facts and then I looked them

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Speaker 6: up in a bunch of bound volumes in my office. Okay,

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Speaker 6: the Internet existed, but we did not take it seriously

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Speaker 6: when I started. I never used a computer, not one

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Speaker 6: time when I started work as a journalist. Okay, So

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Speaker 6: now we're at the end of the era that began then,

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Speaker 6: which was the era of you know, centralized big media outlets.

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Speaker 6: And they're dying and it's unmistakable. Their death is unmistakable

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Speaker 6: if you take three steps back, and they're being replaced

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Speaker 6: by independent voices who by definition are much harder to control.

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Speaker 6: And that's where the balance of the audience is moving.

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Speaker 6: Streaming is not just like something you do on the side.

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Speaker 6: Streaming is the media now. And so yeah, I mean

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Speaker 6: in five years, you know, will NBC News exist, No,

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Speaker 6: it won't in its current form. It will not exist

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Speaker 6: none of these places as well. And so I think

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Speaker 6: that's good news because they couldn't worse than they are

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Speaker 6: now for one and for another, they really are being

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Speaker 6: replaced by I mean, I was looking up somebody's guy

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Speaker 6: I know in the mainstream media business who now has

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Speaker 6: an independent podcast.

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Speaker 4: I won't name him. I'm sure you know him, and he's.

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Speaker 6: Like gone off to do this weird thing, whatever he's doing.

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Speaker 6: I look at the numbers and he's getting on YouTube.

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Speaker 6: They're crazy.

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Speaker 4: He's going to be like a million viewers a video.

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Speaker 6: And this is just some random guy who's doing this

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Speaker 6: out of his house. And so, yes, everything is changing

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Speaker 6: right before us. It's hard to see us outlines because

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Speaker 6: we're in the middle of it. But I think it's

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Speaker 6: a great thing. Great more people listen to you guys,

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Speaker 6: and to Russell Brand and Jimmy dor and people who

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Speaker 6: like I wasn't even that familiar with ten years ago,

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Speaker 6: if at all, then pay attention to the Today Show.

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Speaker 1: That's real, Tucker.

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Speaker 2: It's a little little uplifting here at the end of

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Speaker 2: the show, and I guess I'm possibly taking even the

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Speaker 2: wrong direction. But what happens if they throw Trump into

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Speaker 2: prison or house arrest or something. We just said Adye

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Speaker 2: McCarthy on he was talking to us about this possibility

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Speaker 2: and he thinks it's a very real one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think any maybe for it.

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Speaker 6: But leaving aside that, you know, I think, I mean

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Speaker 6: the people I don't know. I don't know the answer.

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Speaker 6: I'm just throwing that out there. It seems that way.

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Speaker 6: But you know, the same people elects for us about

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Speaker 6: the democracy are about to short circuit it. I mean,

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Speaker 6: just keep in mind that the things that Trump is

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Speaker 6: being charged for are ridiculous, Like they're non The whole.

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Speaker 4: Thing is bs okay. So the fact they're.

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Speaker 6: Trying to imprison this guy who is the unequivocal front

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Speaker 6: runner in the presidential race running against a senile man

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Speaker 6: who's wrecked the country, I mean, the whole thing is grotesque.

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Speaker 4: And again we're two in the weeds. Step back. This

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Speaker 4: is crazy town.

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Speaker 6: And if they do that, then it's just like a

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Speaker 6: shutdown of our historic, you know, two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 6: year old democracy. That's what we're looking at. And I

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Speaker 6: don't know what the response to that will be. I

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Speaker 6: hope it's very forceful. It needs to be, because if

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Speaker 6: that is allowed.

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Speaker 4: Then you know, all bets are off.

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Speaker 6: The Bill of Rights means nothing, no more elections, Like

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Speaker 6: how can you have an election. After that, you imprison

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Speaker 6: the guy who's going to run the race for bringing

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Speaker 6: documents home when.

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Speaker 4: The incumbent president did the same thing.

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Speaker 1: It just promises that the inauguration ball were close to

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Speaker 1: the alcohol