WEBVTT - Weezer: How a Dorky Rock Band Found Their Dark Side

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<v Speaker 1>This episode contains content that may be disturbing to some listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Please check the show notes for more information. Disgraceland is

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<v Speaker 1>a production of Double Elvis. The stories about Weezer are

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<v Speaker 1>not supposed to be this in singing. They involve a

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<v Speaker 1>bass player who predicted his own death, another bass player

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<v Speaker 1>whose wife got into a gunfight with the LAPD, a

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<v Speaker 1>front man who is obsessed with Kurt Cobain and who

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<v Speaker 1>maybe was Kirk Cobain. Wait a minute, what you'll see

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<v Speaker 1>this was a front man who wasn't your typical rock

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<v Speaker 1>and roll archetype, not a burnout or an outlaw or

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<v Speaker 1>some doomed rock and roll savage. Now Rivers Cuomo was

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<v Speaker 1>more of an analyst than an anarchist, the type of

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<v Speaker 1>rock and roller who studied songs like they were calculus,

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<v Speaker 1>and surprisingly, as a result, made great music. Unlike that

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<v Speaker 1>music I played for you at the top of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>That wasn't great music.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a preset loop for my melotron called Kurt

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<v Speaker 2>Cromo MK two. I played you that loop because I

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<v Speaker 2>can't afford the rights to Luther by Kendrick Lamar and Siza,

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<v Speaker 2>And why would I play you that specific slice of

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<v Speaker 2>Velvet Voice adjacent cheese.

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<v Speaker 3>Could I afford it? Because that was the number one.

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<v Speaker 2>Song in America on April eighth, twenty twenty five, And

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<v Speaker 2>that was the day that Weezer got dragged closer to

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<v Speaker 2>a true crime scandal than they ever had been in

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<v Speaker 2>their thirty plus year history. On this episode, a death prediction,

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<v Speaker 2>a gunfight, burnouts, outlaws and savages, the anti rock star,

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<v Speaker 2>rockstar rivers Cromo and Weezer. I'm Jake in This is Disgraceland.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier this year, twenty twenty six, a so called peer

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<v Speaker 2>reviewed report by a team of private forensic scientists attempted

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<v Speaker 2>to disrupt the official narrative that Kurt Cobaine's death was

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<v Speaker 2>the result of suicide. The report argued that the evidence

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<v Speaker 2>supports not a single self inflicted gunshot wound to the head,

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<v Speaker 2>but instead a staged homicide. The report questioned whether Kurt's

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<v Speaker 2>body had been positioned or posed It raised the skeptical

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<v Speaker 2>eyebrow at a receipt for bullets found in his pocket,

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<v Speaker 2>and it noted the tidy condition of his works, the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff he used to shoot heroin, most notably the capped

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<v Speaker 2>needles that contained the heroin that he'd shot moments before

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<v Speaker 2>he died. But despite all of this, the report is

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<v Speaker 2>flimsy at best, not to mention, far from revelatory. No,

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<v Speaker 2>Kirk Cobain was not murdered. But this new report and

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<v Speaker 2>the coverage it received in the media did cause another

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<v Speaker 2>old internet theory to resurface, and that theory is that

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<v Speaker 2>Kurt Cobain did not die at all.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>The theory is that Kurt Cobain faked his own death.

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<v Speaker 2>Later on, the front man would laugh about how the

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<v Speaker 2>clues have been there all along, like how he dressed

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<v Speaker 2>in the music video for Nirvana's in Bloom, the horn

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<v Speaker 2>rimmed glasses, the button down dress shirt. That video foreshadowed

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<v Speaker 2>what came next. Kirk cut his long hair sh short,

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<v Speaker 2>and he shaved his face until it was smooth as

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<v Speaker 2>the bare bottom of that baby that was on the

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<v Speaker 2>cover of never Mind, and as smooth as the voice

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<v Speaker 2>he was now using to sing. It was a different voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Gone was his trademark punk rock howl. In its place

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<v Speaker 2>was a clearer, purer voice. It was the voice behind

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<v Speaker 2>his next hit song, a catchy tune inspired by that

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<v Speaker 2>all of drab cardigan he'd famously worn during Nirvana's appearance

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<v Speaker 2>on MTV Unplugged, and the song was called Undone the

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<v Speaker 2>Sweater Song, and it was the lead single Loft, the

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<v Speaker 2>debut album by Kurt's new band, a band that, like Nirvana,

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<v Speaker 2>had a one word name. That's right, Kirk Cobaine did

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<v Speaker 2>not die. In nineteen ninety four, Kirk Cobane secretly became

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<v Speaker 2>Rivers Cuomo of the band Weezer. As music conspiracy theories go,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta say this one is both pretty ridiculous and

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<v Speaker 2>pretty hysterical.

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<v Speaker 3>Cuomo himself thought that it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was funny enough to actually entertain the concept a few

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<v Speaker 2>years back on Rick Rubin's podcast, even playing along as

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<v Speaker 2>if it were true and as if he were Kurt

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<v Speaker 2>Cobain for real. But still though it's good for a lathanol.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine that you're Kurt Cobain, a bona fide rock star,

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<v Speaker 2>badass to your core, and then further imagine that you

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<v Speaker 2>are beset on all sides by rubberneckers who want everything

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<v Speaker 2>from you, your blood, your sweat, your tears.

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<v Speaker 3>Would it not be in line with.

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<v Speaker 2>Your badass rockstar character? Would it not be the ultimate

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<v Speaker 2>fuck you to all of these culture vultures? If you

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<v Speaker 2>were to fake your own death and then live in

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<v Speaker 2>secrecy as a nerd, now imagine the reverse. Imagine the

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<v Speaker 2>tame nerd becoming the feral rock star. Imagine Rivers Cuomo

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<v Speaker 2>becoming Kurt Cobain. That seems like a more unbelievable proposition,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's exactly what Rivers Cuomo wanted to do. Rivers

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<v Speaker 2>Cmo wanted it so badly to become Kurt Cobain that

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<v Speaker 2>he kept a three ring binder full of mathematical deconstructions

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<v Speaker 2>of every Nirvana song.

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<v Speaker 3>He studied them.

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<v Speaker 2>He needed to understand how they were made, and by

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<v Speaker 2>doing so he could then write his own songs.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be just as impactful and beloved.

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<v Speaker 2>But rivers Cuomo wanted much more than to simply crack

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<v Speaker 2>Kurt Cobain's code. I seriously thought we were the next Nirvana,

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<v Speaker 2>Rivers told Rolling Stone in twenty nineteen, on the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>fifth anniversary of Weezer's debut.

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought the world was going to perceive us

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<v Speaker 3>that way, like a.

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<v Speaker 2>Super important, super powerful, heartbreaking heavy rock.

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<v Speaker 3>Band, and as serious artists.

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<v Speaker 2>In May of nineteen ninety four, one month after Kirk

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<v Speaker 2>Cobain's death, When Weser released their self titled debut album,

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<v Speaker 2>or the Blue Album as it's now known, the quartette

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<v Speaker 2>of Rivers Cuomo on guitar and vocals and Matt Shark

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<v Speaker 2>on bass, Brian on guitar and Patrick Wilson on drums

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<v Speaker 2>were not seen as a super important, super powerful, heartbreaking

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<v Speaker 2>heavy rock band, nor were they seen as serious artists. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>they were seen as four lovable dorks.

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<v Speaker 3>With a couple catchy songs.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that there's anything wrong with that, and this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>to say that they weren't commercially successful either, because they

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely were. After a slow burn on the charts nine months,

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<v Speaker 2>to be exact, their debut album reached number sixteen on

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<v Speaker 2>the Billboard two hundred and it's three excellent singles undone

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<v Speaker 2>the Sweater Song, Buddy Hawlly and Say it Ain't So

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<v Speaker 2>All cracked the top ten on the Modern Rock Churn.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't the charts that didn't take Weezer seriously, though,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the world. That same world had now turned

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<v Speaker 2>and left Rivers right here with his bowl cut and

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<v Speaker 2>his thick black glasses, looking far younger than his twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three years strumming a powder blue stratocaster and a goofy

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<v Speaker 2>Spike Jones directed video that recreated the set of the

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<v Speaker 2>Let's Be Honest, Pretty Lame TV show Happy Days.

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<v Speaker 3>Rivers saw how the world saw him, and it hurt

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<v Speaker 3>him deeply.

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<v Speaker 2>He had thought he'd been betrayed by his own arm

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<v Speaker 2>and it wouldn't be the first time Rivers thought of

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<v Speaker 2>meditation to take his mind off of things. He closed

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<v Speaker 2>his eyes and hoped the process would come back to

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<v Speaker 2>him like riding a bicycle, the breathing, the focus. Years earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>in the mid seventies, he was made to perform meditation

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<v Speaker 2>daily at Yogaville, a Hindu ashram in Connecticut where he

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<v Speaker 2>lived with his family. But silence and stillness were not

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<v Speaker 2>for Rivers Cuomo. He knew this as young as a

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<v Speaker 2>seven year old when he heard real rock and roll

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time. The girl was a stranger, a

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<v Speaker 2>fleeting visitor to the otherwise insulated Yogaville community. Under her arm,

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<v Speaker 2>she carried an album rock and Roll Over by a

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<v Speaker 2>band called Kiss. She passed the album to Rivers Cmo

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<v Speaker 2>as though it was a secret. If he gazed shyly

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<v Speaker 2>at the cover art lost in the dizzy and cartoon

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<v Speaker 2>collage of Paul, Jean, Peter and Ace. The face paint,

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<v Speaker 2>the curled devil's tongue, the X ray eyes. It all

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<v Speaker 2>felt forbidden and dangerous, primal and animalistic. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>guys in the band even looked.

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<v Speaker 3>Like a cat. It was the coolest.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing young Rivers Cuomo had ever seen. And when they

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<v Speaker 2>put the record on the turntable and the needle hit

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<v Speaker 2>the groove, all Rivers wanted to do was run around

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<v Speaker 2>the room in circles. The music took possession of his

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<v Speaker 2>mind and body. It consumed him. By high school, he

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<v Speaker 2>was fronting his own metal band, and at age nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>Rivers CMO and his band made the move from Connecticut

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<v Speaker 2>to Los Angeles to hit the big time. But even

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<v Speaker 2>though Rivers had long ago and switched on by Kiss,

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<v Speaker 2>he was no face paint wearing, tongue wagging showmen.

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<v Speaker 3>Instead, he remained.

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<v Speaker 2>The shy wallflower ashroom kid at heart. The LA scene,

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<v Speaker 2>on the other hand, was run by rock and roll animals,

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<v Speaker 2>the deviants, the savages.

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<v Speaker 3>It was no place for the meek and mild.

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<v Speaker 2>When Rivers CMO's high school band was quickly chewed up

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<v Speaker 2>and spit out, still Rivers remained determined he would follow

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<v Speaker 2>the path of the true artists, the path forged by

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<v Speaker 2>the Beach Boys Brian Wilson, who Rivers learned about while

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<v Speaker 2>working at Tower Records on Sunset Boulevard, the same path

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<v Speaker 2>later trampled by Kurt Cobaine, whose songs Rivers cmos studied

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<v Speaker 2>like they were fourth period algebra. With Weezer, Rivers played

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of shows. He gigged hard, He worked harder

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<v Speaker 2>than most to plant his own mild mannered flag and

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<v Speaker 2>a scene full of unruly animals.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, finally it looked.

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<v Speaker 2>As though success come, but it was success on someone

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<v Speaker 2>else's terms. Spring nineteen ninety five, Rivers Cuomo reclimbed in

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<v Speaker 2>his seat as Weezer's tour bus rumbled down the highway.

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<v Speaker 2>A mischievous grin crept across his face as he thought

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<v Speaker 2>about the previous night, not about the show itself, but

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<v Speaker 2>the after party his hotel room. Ten maybe fifteen women, attractive, excitable,

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<v Speaker 2>all of them. They're not so much because he was

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<v Speaker 2>Rivers Cuomo, but just because he was a rock star.

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<v Speaker 2>For months, Rivers hadn't been able to work up the

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<v Speaker 2>courage to do what he thought a true rock star

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<v Speaker 2>would do to engage in some wild and debauched orgy

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<v Speaker 2>hammer the gods type stuff, which left these female fans

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<v Speaker 2>milling around, raiding the mini bar and talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>much they loved Green Day or whatever. Because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>normally Rivers wasn't all about that, but last night was different.

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<v Speaker 2>Last night, Rivers even surprised himself when he boldly made

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<v Speaker 2>the announcement who wanted.

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<v Speaker 3>To stay had to get naked.

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<v Speaker 2>In the room cleared out, almost four women stayed behind it,

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<v Speaker 2>four women who proceeded to remove every article of their clothing,

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<v Speaker 2>just as Rivers had instructed them.

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<v Speaker 3>But anything goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Encounters with fans of the opposite sex wasn't enough to

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<v Speaker 2>keep Rivers Cromo on the hamster wheel. He'd been out

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<v Speaker 2>on the road with Weezer for a year straight, and

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<v Speaker 2>already the monotony was crushing his soul, playing the same

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<v Speaker 2>ten songs from your one record every single night, giving

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<v Speaker 2>the same dumb responses to a different dumb journalist every

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<v Speaker 2>single day. And he wondered if Kirk Kobein had felt

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<v Speaker 2>this way, like he was slowly watching his own life

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<v Speaker 2>waste away. Actually, he didn't have to wonder because he

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<v Speaker 2>knew the answer. So, like Kurt, Rivers decided to do

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<v Speaker 2>something about it. But unlike kurk Rivers didn't turn a

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<v Speaker 2>shotgun on himself and pulled the trigger. Because Rivers Cromo

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<v Speaker 2>was a different.

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<v Speaker 3>Type of rock star. He was the opposite of Kurt Cobaine.

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<v Speaker 2>So Rivers Cuomo quit his own band and went to college.

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<v Speaker 2>The Elizarov technique, developed in the nineteen fifties by a

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<v Speaker 2>professor in the former Soviet Union, is a surgical procedure

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<v Speaker 2>that uses an external device to help reconstruct, reshape, or

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<v Speaker 2>lengthen bones, usually in the limbs, following surgery. The Elizarov apparatus,

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<v Speaker 2>or a fixator, as it's also known, is attached to

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<v Speaker 2>the exterior of the body with a series of rings, raws,

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<v Speaker 2>adjustable nuts, and wires. It basically looks like metal scaffolding

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<v Speaker 2>around your body. The thing works via distraction osteogenesis, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a fancy way of saying that this gnarly looking

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<v Speaker 2>apparatus gradually separates a surgically cut segment of the bone

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<v Speaker 2>in order to allow new bone to grow and fill

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<v Speaker 2>the gap. Though it may seem like an archaic process,

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<v Speaker 2>the Elizarov technique is still used to this day in

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<v Speaker 2>orthopedic surgery when someone has, for instance, legs that are

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<v Speaker 2>two different lengths, which is exactly the problem that Rivers

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<v Speaker 2>Cuomo faced when he put his rockstar career on hold

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<v Speaker 2>to enroll at Harvard University in the fall of.

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<v Speaker 3>Nineteen ninety five.

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<v Speaker 2>A jolt of pain shot up Rivers's leg as he

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<v Speaker 2>twisted the screw of the metal cage apparatus that enveloped

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<v Speaker 2>his right leg. He winced alone in his small dorm room,

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<v Speaker 2>and then prepared to do the same with the next

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<v Speaker 2>screw forest screws in total. Every day he was excruciating.

0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Rivers's right leg was almost two inches shorter than his

0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:11.800
<v Speaker 2>left almost two inches, and after doctors cut his femur

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<v Speaker 2>in half, they set him up with an E. Lizarev fixator.

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<v Speaker 2>Over time, the painful daily ritual of turning the screws

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<v Speaker 2>would pull the two halves of his femur apart and

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<v Speaker 2>allow for new bone to develop, until both of his

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<v Speaker 2>legs were roughly the same length. The whole thing was

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<v Speaker 2>conspicuous and embarrassing. Rivers limped across Harvard Yard from one

0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:43.320
<v Speaker 2>class to the next, his apparatus rattling the cane in

0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.840
<v Speaker 2>his hand to keep him upright. He looked like an

0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.840
<v Speaker 2>old man, and the beard he was growing only added

0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.720
<v Speaker 2>to the picture of frailty, but it also made him

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<v Speaker 2>unseen in a different way. The kid in the Weezer

0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.160
<v Speaker 2>shirt sitting next to him on the tee had no

0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:58.400
<v Speaker 2>idea who Rivers was.

0:15:58.960 --> 0:15:59.600
<v Speaker 3>Neither did his.

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<v Speaker 2>Classman or the girl, the one he pined for from afar.

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<v Speaker 2>She had no idea he existed, not as a musician

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<v Speaker 2>or a celebrity, or even as another student, a pitiful

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<v Speaker 2>one at that, popped up on pain meds with this

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<v Speaker 2>janky piece of medieval steel protruding from his leg. The unknown,

0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:26.040
<v Speaker 2>unrequited love, the isolation, the pain. It all dovetailed with

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<v Speaker 2>a swift disillusionment in academia, or at least when it

0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:34.960
<v Speaker 2>came to his chosen major classical music composition. What was

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<v Speaker 2>he trying to prove that a quote unquote serious artists

0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.840
<v Speaker 2>belonged not on the road but in a classroom.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't have to be here at Harvard.

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<v Speaker 2>He could be in the studio doing what he'd always

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to do since he held that kiss record in

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<v Speaker 2>his hands. This time there was an opportunity to cease.

0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:56.040
<v Speaker 2>It was staring him in the face. Put Harvard on hold,

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<v Speaker 2>get Weezer back together, and record a batch of new songs,

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<v Speaker 2>transformative songs, songs that were nothing like the songs on the.

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<v Speaker 3>Blue album, Songs that would prove once and.

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<v Speaker 2>For all that he was a serious artist, that he

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<v Speaker 2>was deep and tortured, that he really wasn't all that

0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.359
<v Speaker 2>different from Kurt Kobein after all. It was this line

0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.000
<v Speaker 2>of thinking that led to a decision that Rivers Cuomo

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<v Speaker 2>would later see as one of the greatest mistakes of

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<v Speaker 2>his professional life. Weezer's sophomore studio album, Pinkerton, was released

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<v Speaker 2>in September of nineteen ninety six. Musically and lyrically, the

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<v Speaker 2>record came as a shock. The Blue album's sonic template

0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.360
<v Speaker 2>was in part defined by their producer, Ricoques of the Cars,

0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.120
<v Speaker 2>who turned the gain on their amplifiers all the way

0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.040
<v Speaker 2>up but turned the volume all the way down, thus

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<v Speaker 2>capturing a crunching guitar sound that wasn't noisy and didn't

0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:57.840
<v Speaker 2>feed back. But on the self produced Pinkerton, the guitars

0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:02.080
<v Speaker 2>routinely squelched out of control. The bass and the drums

0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:06.720
<v Speaker 2>were pushed into the red. Rivers, still in his Elizarov apparatus,

0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:11.960
<v Speaker 2>still in physical and emotional pain, delivered raw, physical and

0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:17.520
<v Speaker 2>emotional vocal performances of lyrics that were extremely personal and

0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.399
<v Speaker 2>nakedly documented this current state of alienation.

0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:22.000
<v Speaker 3>It was an.

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<v Speaker 2>Abrasive about face for Wezer, and honestly, Pinkerton is fucking awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>This record is great.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so much better than the so called blue album.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care what anybody says. However, the intention for

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<v Speaker 2>Rivers was to prove Weezer's biggest critics wrong. The critics

0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:46.679
<v Speaker 2>hated Pinkerton, so did many of the fans. It was

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<v Speaker 2>voted the third worst album of nineteen ninety six in

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<v Speaker 2>a Rolling Stone reader's poll, right behind Bush's Razor Blade

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<v Speaker 2>Suitcase and DJ Spooky's Songs of a Dead Dreamer. And

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<v Speaker 2>while Pinkerton did have his cohort of diehard fans, Rivers

0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:05.840
<v Speaker 2>started to believe what the detractors were saying about Pinkerton.

0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.440
<v Speaker 2>He bared it all, ripped his heart out and put

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<v Speaker 2>it on his sleeve, beating and bloody, and no one.

0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:13.680
<v Speaker 3>Cared at all. It seemed.

0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:19.359
<v Speaker 2>The Rivers Cuomo needed a distraction, something deeper than meditation.

0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.480
<v Speaker 2>He needed to get back to the good life, the

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<v Speaker 2>life of the road, shaking booty and making sweet love

0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:27.800
<v Speaker 2>every night. You know how the song goes. The life

0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.040
<v Speaker 2>that once bored him to tears would now dull the

0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.959
<v Speaker 2>heartache that he was feeling as he tried to escape

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<v Speaker 2>that life. Make that makes sense. The Pinkerton Tour of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety six In nineteen ninety seven was happening just

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<v Speaker 2>as the Internet was evolving at move fast and breakshit speed. Soon,

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<v Speaker 2>word of the Weezer front man's sexual conquest spread to

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<v Speaker 2>a Geocity's website with the unfortunate title Rivers l Pervo.

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<v Speaker 2>Now on the website Rivers el Pervo fans or former fans,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. They detailed both Rivers's alleged methods to

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<v Speaker 2>select and lure women backstage like he was David Lee

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<v Speaker 2>Roth or something, and also his again alleged interactions with

0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:22.560
<v Speaker 2>girls who were barely of legal age. Rivers freaked out

0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.560
<v Speaker 2>when he came face to face with Rivers el Pervo.

0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:29.280
<v Speaker 2>He no doubt immediately thought of the lyrics to the

0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Pinkerton song Across the Sea. It's a song he wrote

0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.399
<v Speaker 2>in response to an actual letter that he received from

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<v Speaker 2>an eighteen year old female Japanese fan. The lyrics to

0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:42.480
<v Speaker 2>the song layout his moral quandary in how or if

0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:46.560
<v Speaker 2>he should respond to this barely legal fan, and he

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<v Speaker 2>even wondered aloud in the song quote I wonder how

0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:54.679
<v Speaker 2>you touch yourself on quote. Not that he'd done anything wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>not legally anyways, certainly every word out of his mouth.

0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Now with this Rivers l Pervo website was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be scrutinized and worse documented online. So rivers Cuomo stopped

0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:13.240
<v Speaker 2>with the naked hotel room Shenanigan's. He stopped having assistant

0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:16.800
<v Speaker 2>scoured the audience for women who were, you know, looking

0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:18.480
<v Speaker 2>like they wanted to hang out with a rock star.

0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:24.399
<v Speaker 2>Yet rivers Cuomo's libido raged on, which is how Rivers

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<v Speaker 2>Cromo began visiting massage parlors every show in every city

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<v Speaker 2>now with a guaranteed happy and hush hush ending. The

0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:39.119
<v Speaker 2>massage parlors offered a discrete location, offered a discrete solution.

0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:44.040
<v Speaker 2>The encounters were anonymous, and these were his secrets, the

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<v Speaker 2>secrets of a rock star, which, despite what the world

0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:50.760
<v Speaker 2>thought of him, was still what rivers Cuomo yearned to be,

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<v Speaker 2>that is, until a real rock star entered his life.

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<v Speaker 2>Boston the South End. Mikey Welsh walked confidently.

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<v Speaker 3>Into the Deluxe.

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<v Speaker 2>The collection of lights glowing from behind the bar made

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<v Speaker 2>it look like it was Christmas time, even though it

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<v Speaker 2>was spring. Mikey pushed past the collection of off duty

0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:17.280
<v Speaker 2>bike messengers who went by the name of the Boston Blackouts.

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<v Speaker 2>There were nursing bottles of high life over by the

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<v Speaker 2>Kitchie Elvis Lamb. Mikey caught the bartender's attention in order it,

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<v Speaker 2>as usual, a glass of red wine. At twenty seven

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<v Speaker 2>years old, Mikey Welsh was already a legend in the

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<v Speaker 2>Boston rock scene, a real, if you know you know

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<v Speaker 2>kind of dude, not to mention a hell of a

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<v Speaker 2>bass player for bands like Heretics and Jock o' bono

0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:44.040
<v Speaker 2>and Left Nut. But Mikey's notoriety was just regional again

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<v Speaker 2>if you know you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So when Mikey Welsh saw the diminutive, bespectacled dude making

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<v Speaker 2>his way through the Deluxe, headed in his general direction

0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:57.240
<v Speaker 2>and then immediately clocked him as a River's Cuomo of Weezer,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most badass rock dudes in Boston felt

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<v Speaker 2>something that he didn't feel every day.

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<v Speaker 3>Starstruck. Hey man, are you Mikey Mikey the bass player,

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<v Speaker 3>Rivers asked, when he was close enough.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bostones guy said that I should talk to you

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<v Speaker 2>the Bostones as in the Mighty Mighty Bostones. Later, Mikey

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<v Speaker 2>Welsh wouldn't remember exactly what he said. The words just

0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:26.719
<v Speaker 2>sort of nervously tumbled from his mouth. But whatever it was,

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<v Speaker 2>that must have been good enough, because Rivers Cromo Weezer

0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:32.920
<v Speaker 2>wasted no time and asked Mikey Wells to jam with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Mikey didn't know it at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Many didn't, but by the end of the Pinkerton tour,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Sharp, Weezer's bass.

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<v Speaker 3>Player, would be out of the band.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't the first time that Weezer had experienced turnover.

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<v Speaker 3>During the making of the Blue Album, founding.

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<v Speaker 2>Guitarist Jason Cropper was fired and replaced with Brian Bell.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Sharp later revealed that he was also fired like

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<v Speaker 2>Jason before him, although Rivers says that the real reason

0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:01.159
<v Speaker 2>Matt left was to focus on other band, the so

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<v Speaker 2>called Friends of p The rentals, whatever the case, By

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety eight, Matt Sharp was out and Mikey Welsh

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<v Speaker 2>was in. Mikey left Boston for la moving into an

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<v Speaker 2>apartment with Rivers on Sepulvt Boulevard in Culver City, and

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<v Speaker 2>doing so, Rivers got a front row seat to a

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:26.840
<v Speaker 2>true rock and roll animal because Mikey Welsh was the one.

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Mikey was the one mixing Klonopin, speed and red wine.

0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Mikey was the one dropping LSD right before Weezer's first

0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:39.359
<v Speaker 2>secret show, playing Nirvana covers under the name Goat Punishment.

0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Mikey was the one tripping his balls off on no

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<v Speaker 2>Effects as tour bus, eating mushrooms while watching a Porno.

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<v Speaker 3>A Fat Mike in the Gang on a large screen TV.

0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Mikey was the one hanging around the kinds of people

0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:53.680
<v Speaker 2>your mother warned you about. Fuck Mikey was the type

0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:56.480
<v Speaker 2>of person that your mother warned you about, but Mikey

0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:58.200
<v Speaker 2>hung around with them because these are the types of

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:02.000
<v Speaker 2>people who had drugs. And for a guy like Mikey Welsh,

0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:04.640
<v Speaker 2>not only did you play rock and roll, you got

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 2>high and yet it was dark. But to a guy

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:12.439
<v Speaker 2>like Mikey Welsh that's what rock and roll was, and

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:15.679
<v Speaker 2>Mikey brought that darkness and the danger that went along

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<v Speaker 2>with it to Weezer in a way that Rivers Cuomo

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:22.560
<v Speaker 2>never could. And pretty soon all that darkness and danger

0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:25.680
<v Speaker 2>became too much even for a rock and roll animal

0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:29.000
<v Speaker 2>like Mikey Welsh to handle, because in just a few

0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:31.800
<v Speaker 2>years time, as Weezer hit the biggest peak of their

0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 2>career to date, Mikey Welsh would go missing.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be right back after this word, word word. New

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<v Speaker 3>Year's Eve nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Beck was talking, but Mikey Welsh could only make out

0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:05.399
<v Speaker 2>every other word, something about Tommy Lee of Motley Cruze

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:09.960
<v Speaker 2>falling sideways into the bushes outside. Mikey just smiled and nodded.

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:14.159
<v Speaker 2>He was only half paying attention anyways. His mind was

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 2>likely squarely fixated on the baggy of cocaine stuck inside

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 2>of his pocket.

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:19.400
<v Speaker 3>The ship waited.

0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 2>A ton standing next to him, having better luck in

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:26.199
<v Speaker 2>the conversation department was Rivers Cuomo, who was chatting up

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 2>their host, Gwen Stefani, who had invited the guys to

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:32.080
<v Speaker 2>her New Year's Eve party after Weezer opened a few dates.

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:36.880
<v Speaker 2>For no doubt, Rivers was obviously having a good time,

0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 2>and Mikey loved to see it. Over the last few months,

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Rivers had become something of a recluse, Depressed, not writing,

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:48.240
<v Speaker 2>the muse had packed her things and flown the coup.

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Mikey couldn't help but wonder if that muse had been

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:55.920
<v Speaker 2>the guy he replaced Matt Sharp. Anyway, Mikey had been

0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 2>spending lots of time with the seventy two Hour Party

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<v Speaker 2>people up in the Hollywood Hills. The benders were so

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 2>insane that they bordered on lethal. It was a miracle

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:10.119
<v Speaker 2>that Mikey stumbled home alive every night. One time, he

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.200
<v Speaker 2>found his way back to the apartment that he shared

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:14.879
<v Speaker 2>with Rivers, only to find that his roommate had painted

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:18.200
<v Speaker 2>the walls and the ceilings of his bedroom black. He

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:22.879
<v Speaker 2>also covered up his windows and disconnected the phone. It

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:27.159
<v Speaker 2>was just fucking weird, and it worried Mikey. But tonight

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:29.919
<v Speaker 2>New Year's Eve, he told himself that he wasn't going

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:32.679
<v Speaker 2>to worry about all that, not with back mumbling in

0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.440
<v Speaker 2>his general direction and no doubt boring.

0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:37.879
<v Speaker 3>The shit out of him. The cocaine was calling.

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.159
<v Speaker 2>Mikey asked when Stefani where the bathroom was, and then

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 2>he excused himself, leaving Rivers Cormo to handle the small talk.

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Mikey hit the bathroom, locked the door, dumped the contents

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 2>of the baggie onto the sink, rolled up a dollar bill,

0:27:53.000 --> 0:28:04.879
<v Speaker 2>and snorted it all. Hours later, morning came the first

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 2>day of nineteen ninety nine. Mikey's head was pounding. He

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 2>went looking for some hair of the dog, and instead

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 2>found Rivers Cuomo, not hiding away in his blacked out

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 2>bedroom and not nursing a hangover like Mikey as bass player,

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 2>but typing furiously on his computer.

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 3>Rivers was beginning.

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 2>To catalog all of his songs in a spreadsheet, organizing them,

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:30.880
<v Speaker 2>analyzing them.

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 3>Not unlike his.

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Three ring Binder of Old, in which he did the

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 2>same thing with the songs of Kurt Kobein this labor

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 2>intensive process was so not rock and roll, but it

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 2>somehow had creatively recharged Rivers. Perhaps it was the call

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 2>to action of a new Year's resolution. Years later, this

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 2>academic fascination with the mechanics of the perfect pop song

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 2>would inspire Rivers Cmo to use algorithms in his own songwriting,

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 2>even to write an entire album with the help of

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:04.959
<v Speaker 2>a computer formula he had developed. Mikey didn't get it.

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 2>His version of rock and roll was about losing yourself,

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:12.239
<v Speaker 2>not making sense of yourself with ones and zeros. But

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 2>then pretty soon nothing much was making sense to Mikey anymore.

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Two thousand and one was the year everything changed for Weezer.

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 2>It was the year that they released their third studio album,

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:32.400
<v Speaker 2>which became their highest charting record to date. The Green Album,

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 2>as it's known, went all the way to number four

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 2>on the Billboard two hundred and Just to be clear,

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 2>it's called the Green Album because, like their self titled debut,

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 2>it was self titled and also featured a cover photo

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:47.240
<v Speaker 2>of the band against the solid color background, this time

0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 2>green instead of blue. The album was led by the

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 2>rousing single hash Pipe, which Rivers called a totally insane

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 2>song about a homosexual transvestite prostitute.

0:29:57.920 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 3>The Rivers wrote hash.

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Pipe while using a short lived creative technique, no doubt

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 2>inspired by the antics of Mikey Welsh. This technique involved

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:09.719
<v Speaker 2>chasing a riddlin pill with three shots of tequila. It

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 2>proved to be unsustainable, just as Mikey Welsh's lifestyle was unsustainable,

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:20.000
<v Speaker 2>but I'm getting ahead of myself. Hashpipe combined the witty,

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 2>power poppy charm of the Blue album with the sonic

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 2>intensity of Pinkerton, but it did so with Rivers's very

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 2>public rejection of Pinkerton. Speaking with the press, he called

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Pinkerton a sick album, sick in.

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:35.240
<v Speaker 3>A diseased way.

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>As he put it, he didn't care if Pinkerton was

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:40.479
<v Speaker 2>amassing its own cult of fans who loved it more

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 2>than anything, who loved it more than his other records.

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 2>He never wanted to play or even hear those songs

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 2>ever again.

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 3>It was too painful.

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Besides, he was living out his rock and roll fantasy,

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 2>playing is Riddlin and Tequila song hash Pipe of the

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 2>MTV Movie Awards in front of a full on pyrotechnics

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 2>display that would make Gene Simmons kiss happy. But two

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 2>thousand and one was not all pyrotechnics and rock and

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 2>roll dreams. For Mikey Welsh, two thousand and one became

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 2>a nightmare. The MTV Movie Awards were part of an

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 2>insane stretch for Weezer. They toured the States, played Coachella,

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 2>played Saturday Night Live, played Late Night with Conan O'Brien

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 2>toward Europe, taped Top of the Pops, and then returned

0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 2>back home to appear on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno.

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 2>As they stepped onto the NBC studio stage in Burbank

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 2>on July twenty seventh, Mikey Welsh was hanging on by

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 2>a single tattered thread. His drug use had spiraled out

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:44.959
<v Speaker 2>of control. He'd lost seventy pounds. You wouldn't know that

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 2>something was wrong if you watched the Leno clip now,

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 2>because Mikey Welsh is super engaged, as always, the most

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 2>animated one in the group, repeatedly interacting with the crowd

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 2>as the band performs the Green album's second single, Island

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 2>in the Sun. But by the time and that performance

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 2>aired on The Tonight Show later that evening, Mikey Welsh

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 2>had disappeared. It would be days before Rivers, Brian and

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Pat even knew that anything was wrong. They found it

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 2>strange when Mikey didn't show up to rehearsal, a stranger

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 2>still when no one in the band could reach him

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 2>on the phone. It's unclear exactly how they found out,

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.400
<v Speaker 2>but before too long, word reached the Weezer camp that

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Mikey had suffered a mental breakdown shortly after taping on

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Jay Leno. He had tried to commit suicide by overdosing

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:35.719
<v Speaker 2>his heart nearly quit on him. He slipped into a coma,

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 2>and when he regained consciousness, he discovered that he was

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 2>locked up in a psychiatric hospital. Mikey Welsh suffered from

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 2>bipolar disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, and borderline personality disorder.

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 2>He'd gone undiagnosed his entire life and had been fueling

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 2>the psychological fire with copious drug use. It was a

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 2>near fatal combination. But by getting the help he needed,

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:05.720
<v Speaker 2>by leaving Weezer and the music industry, and by refocusing

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 2>his creative life as a painter, Mikey Welsh was now

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 2>safe for a moment, at least. After he left Weezer,

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Rivers Cromo had lost his rockstar Avatar, not to mention

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Weezer's rock star street cred, so Rivers immediately made a

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 2>call to an LA music scout with a deep roll

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 2>index of professional musicians. Rivers knew and no on certain

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 2>terms what he was looking for.

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 3>Send me the baddest, meanest, most evil guy you got,

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 3>he said so.

0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 2>In other words, the exact opposite of Rivers Cromo, and

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 2>with that Weezer got their new bass player and retained

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 2>their rockstar street cred. But most surprising of all, they

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>also unknowingly set in motion the most true crimey chapter

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 2>in their thirty plus year career. And when the smoke cleared,

0:33:56.600 --> 0:34:00.120
<v Speaker 2>someone would be shot and wounded by the lapd and

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Weezer would never be looked at the same again. Scott

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Shriner certainly looks like Rivers Cuomo's vision of the baddest, meanest,

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 2>most evil guy. He's the one member of Weezer who

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 2>has tattoos visible at east He's got a gold tooth,

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:44.760
<v Speaker 2>and when he was hired to replace Mikey Welsh on bass,

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 2>he showed up with that authentic rock and roll stench, unwashed,

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 2>dirty leather, smoldering Marlboro red hanging from his lip. In fact,

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 2>his appearance was so narrowly the Rivers Cmo actually mistook

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Scott Schriner for Scott Shrine bass tech.

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:02.239
<v Speaker 3>When he first auditioned.

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:07.440
<v Speaker 2>But by twenty ten, when Weezer released their eighth studio album, Hurley,

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:10.920
<v Speaker 2>their fifth album with Scott, some fans of the band

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:13.880
<v Speaker 2>were no longer finding Weezer anywhere near as narrowly a

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Scott's appearance at that first audition, The hardcore legion of

0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:20.760
<v Speaker 2>fans who were ride or Die for Pinkerton, the album

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 2>that Rivers had bitterly turned his back on years prior,

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 2>was only.

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Growing in size.

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Emo bands that had since gone on to mainstream success

0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 2>were shouting out, Pinkerton is a record that meant as

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:34.319
<v Speaker 2>much to them as Kisses rock and roll Over once

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 2>meant to Rivers, and that same legion of fans also

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 2>believed that Rivers' algorithmic songwriting methodology had cranked out the

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 2>same sounding.

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Record over and over and over again.

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Whether it was maladroit Make Believe, the Red album, Ratitude,

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:52.879
<v Speaker 2>or Hurley, the complaint.

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Was the same.

0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:57.319
<v Speaker 2>These songs about pork and beans and Beverly Hills they

0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:01.359
<v Speaker 2>suck in comparison to any song off Weezer's strip Bear

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:07.800
<v Speaker 2>cathartic nineteen ninety six masterpiece Pinkerton. So when Hurley came out,

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 2>one fan started a Kickstarter campaign online with a gold

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 2>raise ten million dollars in order to convince Weezer to

0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 2>break up. The campaign fell far short of its lofty goal,

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 2>but not before Weezer's drummer Patrick Wilson tweeted make it

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:30.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty million and we'll do the deluxe breakup. One year later,

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 2>in September of twenty eleven, Patrick's former bandmate Mikey Welsh

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:39.440
<v Speaker 2>was the one posting on Twitter, though unlike Patrick, Mikey

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:44.280
<v Speaker 2>wasn't joking around. On September twenty sixth, he tweeted, dreamt

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 2>I died in Chicago next weekend heart attack in my sleep.

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Need to write my will today. Hours later, he tweeted

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 2>again correction the weekend after next, and then two weeks later,

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 2>on October eighth, Mikey Welsh's body was found in his

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 2>room by employees at the Raphaelo Hotel in Chicago. Prescription

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 2>narcotics and a ziploc bag containing white powder presumed to

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 2>be heroin, both of which were found in the scene,

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 2>are thought to have contributed to Mikey's death, but the

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:22.200
<v Speaker 2>official toxicology report came back inconclusive. Mikey Welsh was just

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:26.760
<v Speaker 2>forty years old. The way in which Mikey seemingly predicted

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 2>his own demise on Twitter caused the Internet to question

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.399
<v Speaker 2>if the whole thing was an eerie coincidence or if

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:36.319
<v Speaker 2>it was intentional. It's a similar rabbit hole now to

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:38.239
<v Speaker 2>the one the Internet fell down to find out if

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Whover's Cuomo was actually Kurt Cobaine or vice versa. But

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:46.839
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to Weezer, predictability is baked into the cake,

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:47.920
<v Speaker 2>so to speak.

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 3>Where should I say?

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 2>It's mathematically determined by Rivers's very unrock and roll, very

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:58.719
<v Speaker 2>scholarly process of cataloging, writing, and arranging songs. And I

0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:01.280
<v Speaker 2>don't mean that as a pejorative folly.

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:02.359
<v Speaker 3>I guess I.

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:04.719
<v Speaker 2>Mean I like some Weezer as much as the next guy,

0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 2>but not as much as I like Pinkerton Wheezer. This

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:09.680
<v Speaker 2>is a band that released an album of covers in

0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, mostly songs from the nineteen eighties, performing them

0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 2>note for note with zero hints of irony. And with that,

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.359
<v Speaker 2>it's not a lot of creative risks, which is what

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:25.200
<v Speaker 2>makes the events of April eighth, twenty twenty five not

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:30.120
<v Speaker 2>just unpredictable but shocking.

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 4>This morning a true hardwood crime with all the twists

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 4>and turns.

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 3>Of a blockbuster.

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 4>But she just looked at it up Jillian Schriiner. The

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 4>Life of bass guitarist Scott Schwiner shot by Plenty's and

0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 4>arrested for attempted murder, multiple commands given to drop the

0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:56.840
<v Speaker 4>guy and drop the weapon. There were three men and

0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:59.720
<v Speaker 4>one of them in the cop for him right now,

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:02.120
<v Speaker 4>Please say they then shot Shrine.

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 2>There is not a clear view of what she did

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 2>with that firearm, and it's not clear at case time

0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:08.840
<v Speaker 2>if she fired, if the officers or not.

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 4>You see in this body camera footage lying face down

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 4>in the middle of the street. Arms are stretched out wide.

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 4>He's injured, but a line.

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:28.239
<v Speaker 2>The whole thing was surreal, like a white knuckle standoff

0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 2>in the Sergio Leoni film. On one side of a

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:35.719
<v Speaker 2>weathered wooden fence, members of the LAPD in the California

0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Highway Patrol, their service weapons drawn, safeties off, standing their ground.

0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:48.239
<v Speaker 2>On the other side, Gillian Lauren aka Jillian Shriner aka

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 2>the wife of Weezer's bass player Scott Shiner, pacing barefoot

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 2>in the backyard of her Eagle Rock home with a

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 2>block nine millimeter in her right hand. Just moments earlier,

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:02.719
<v Speaker 2>had been in pursuit on foot of the suspect from

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:05.680
<v Speaker 2>a hit and run incident, but the chase was interrupted

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:09.560
<v Speaker 2>when Jillian Shriner unexpectedly emerged from her house holding a

0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:14.200
<v Speaker 2>loaded gun. The cops identified themselves, repeatedly shouting at Jillian

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 2>to drop her weapon.

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:16.640
<v Speaker 3>She did not comply.

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Instead, she raised the glock, pulled the trigger, and fired.

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:23.719
<v Speaker 2>The cops returned fire.

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:28.200
<v Speaker 3>Immediately, unloading twelve rounds in the bass player of Weezer's

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 3>wife's direction. One of the bullets caught her in the arm.

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:35.760
<v Speaker 2>She turned, retreating inside her house until about an hour later,

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 2>when she at last surrendered, was arrested, and was subsequently

0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:43.239
<v Speaker 2>charged with the attempted murder of a peace officer, all

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:44.680
<v Speaker 2>while and I shit.

0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:47.360
<v Speaker 3>You not wearing a Weezer T shirt.

0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Nearly six months later, a judge determined that Jillian Shriner

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 2>was eligible for her mental health diversion, meaning no jail time.

0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:00.800
<v Speaker 2>As she complied with the court's demand to ten therapy,

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 2>to swear off firearms, and to avoid the use of

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:07.720
<v Speaker 2>drugs and alcohol for two years, all charges would be dropped.

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 2>There are questions over what Gillian was able to hear

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:17.280
<v Speaker 2>during the altercation and exactly who or what she thought

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 2>was on the other side of that fence. A police

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 2>helicopter was reportedly circling overhead the whole time, making it

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.800
<v Speaker 2>hard to hear anything clearly. One neighbor said that a stranger,

0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:31.920
<v Speaker 2>possibly the hit and run suspect, had jumped the fence

0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 2>into Gillian's yard, and that Gillian had seen this happen

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 2>while still inside her house, and she was home alone

0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 2>with her two children at the time, so she grabbed

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 2>her gun and sprung into protect her mode. Details like

0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:48.880
<v Speaker 2>these matter, of course, but for Weezer, and for Weezer's fans,

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 2>the bigger shock is more simple. Weezer were not supposed

0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:55.719
<v Speaker 2>to be a band that got within ten miles of

0:41:55.719 --> 0:42:01.080
<v Speaker 2>a violent confrontation of guns drawn cops shouting blood spilled.

0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Rivers wasn't built that way. Rivers Cuomo went from a

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:08.279
<v Speaker 2>massage parlor enthusiast in the nineteen nineties to a guy

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 2>who took a self imposed vow of celibacy for years

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 2>in the two thousands. He wasn't the hard living Mikey Welsh,

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't the hard looking Scott Shreiner, and he certainly

0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:22.759
<v Speaker 2>wasn't Kurt Kobe, no matter what they tell you. Instead,

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 2>he was the spreadsheet guy, the analyst. Rock and roll

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:33.319
<v Speaker 2>was something he could examine, catalog and control, but the

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:34.759
<v Speaker 2>feral lifeblood that is.

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<v Speaker 3>Rock and roll, it kept showing up anyways.

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<v Speaker 2>It was there and some of the men that he

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<v Speaker 2>called his bandmates, and then again in the wild life surrounding.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them.

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<v Speaker 2>And so in the end the world looked at Weezer

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<v Speaker 2>a little differently than they had in the beginning, which

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<v Speaker 2>is to say the band had a dark side after all,

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<v Speaker 2>a serious side, a side that could veer off to

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<v Speaker 2>the margins and flirt with this grace. I'm Jake Brennan

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<v Speaker 2>and this is Disgraceland. All right, guys, thanks for checking

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<v Speaker 2>out another episode of Disgraceland, this episode on Weezer.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen before we get into the Question of the Week.

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<v Speaker 1>If you do not have automatic.

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<v Speaker 2>Question of the Week, we talked about my favorite Weezer

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<v Speaker 2>album in this episode, that being Pinkerton, which is their

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<v Speaker 2>weirdest album, and it just begs the question, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>which record by which band is your favorite? That is

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<v Speaker 2>all so their weirdest, their biggest outlier.

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<v Speaker 3>The album that.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't necessarily sound like the band sounds on their other albums, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Is still great.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let me know six one seven nine oh six

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<v Speaker 3>He's a bad, bad man.