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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lalli.

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson, and this is the drive on

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio and I'm at the thirty third team,

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Speaker 2: which I do.

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Speaker 1: Like the site. It's good they get they get good content.

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Speaker 2: It's they update it pretty regularly with new stuff from

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Speaker 2: different people in the business, players, x GM's and coaches,

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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, so.

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Speaker 1: There is value to it. It is.

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Speaker 2: One thing I didn't see a lot of value with

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Speaker 2: was a piece that they put out on the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame.

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Speaker 1: And it was titled players.

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Speaker 3: Current players Already Hall of Fame bound.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which current players are already Hall of Famers and

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Speaker 2: which ones.

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Speaker 1: Are then close or need you know, have.

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Speaker 2: To do a little bit more work here or you know,

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Speaker 2: I guess that's the way they it's it's it was guarantees.

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Speaker 1: Maybe's and him you know still which you get the idea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Their word was Luck like if this play in

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Speaker 3: another snap or never step on field again Andrew Luck

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Speaker 3: retirement out of the blue. They're in now no matter

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Speaker 3: what is the top category.

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Speaker 1: And it was they used some some different guys. Uh.

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Speaker 2: They have comments here from current Hall of Fame voters.

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Speaker 2: Vic Carucci, who's a friend of mine, Paul DeMont, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Dolma Witch, Clark Judge, and Barry Wilner. I know Clark

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Speaker 2: and Barry a little bit. I don't know Paul, no voter,

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Speaker 2: but they are all voters, so there. So I don't

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Speaker 2: know if they use these guys to suggest the players

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Speaker 2: that should be talked about here, if they just asked

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Speaker 2: for the comments, gave them a list of players and

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Speaker 2: asked for their comments.

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Speaker 3: Because it's a little one, it's a little uncertain because

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Speaker 3: this isn't written by Dale Lawley Matt Williamson's written by

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Speaker 3: the thirty thirteam.

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Speaker 1: Right, I don't even know who wrote it.

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Speaker 3: Tough for what?

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Speaker 2: So their locks and I can't disagree with it, you

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Speaker 2: know much with on the lock list here Aaron Donald,

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Speaker 2: Julio Jones, Travis Kelsey. Again, these are guys who are

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Speaker 2: still playing. Even though Jolio Jones is unsigned right now,

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Speaker 2: he hasn't retired. Kelsey, Patrick Mahomes might still be just

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Speaker 2: a little bit early for that, like if he retired tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 3: See I think he is, But if I'm gonna call

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Speaker 3: him a lock no brainer, you know they end that sentence,

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Speaker 3: they end the write up on Mahomes. No discussion needed.

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Speaker 3: There's a discussion, right, five years, it's the best five

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Speaker 3: years I've ever seen. He would get my vote, but

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Speaker 3: there's a discussion.

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Speaker 1: Without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Zach Martin, guards are tough, Von Miller,

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, Justin Tucker, Bobby Wagner, right, Trent Williams.

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Speaker 1: Those are the guys I.

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Speaker 3: Have no problem with anyone on that list. I think

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Speaker 3: all of those guys, well, let's put this way. I

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Speaker 3: think all those guys will end up in the Hall.

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Speaker 1: Of Fame eventually.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean maybe not. I think they'll

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Speaker 3: will be Hall of Famers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, the next part of the list is likely

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Speaker 2: Hall of famers. On that list, yeah, Derrick Henry, Tyreek Hill,

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Speaker 2: who's unsigned right now, and Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to have a sidebar conversation. Let's still

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Speaker 3: know you've said on the Hall of Fame committee. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: let's talk about Dereck Henry. Okay, So I want to

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Speaker 3: throw this out there. So he came in the league

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Speaker 3: the league twenty sixteen to present, he's had the best

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Speaker 3: looks the Hall of Fame part. He's the focus of

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Speaker 3: the offense. He has a lot of rushing yards per year.

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Speaker 1: He's led the league in rushing two years in a

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Speaker 2: To me, he's kind of the Thrie all Davis argument, right,

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Speaker 2: so to think because the first two years weren't great.

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Speaker 1: They weren't great. He was a part time player.

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Speaker 3: Except further, I think he's the best runner since Adrian Peterson,

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Speaker 3: Derrick Henry is the active current rushing leader, but he's

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Speaker 3: Aman Green. Now, I heard this conver station on a

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Speaker 1: Of course there will?

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Well, if Henry has two

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Speaker 3: more awesome years, he still is going to be like

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Speaker 2: If he had, Yeah, he gets fifteen hundred yards in

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Speaker 2: each of the next two seasons. That only puts that,

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Speaker 2: Nobody's talking about Jamal Lewis as a Ricky Wats or

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And my point is, guys just don't going to

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Speaker 3: Like twelve hundred yards is almost unattainable now for a

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Speaker 2: Right now, if I had, if you have, if somebody said,

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Speaker 2: who's the best running back in Tennessee Titans history, I'm

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Speaker 2: still saying Eddie George.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a coin flip.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's Eddie George was good, Eddie.

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Speaker 3: I thought Eddie George and Rome were like as good

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Speaker 1: He finished.

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Speaker 2: He's twenty eighth all time on the all time lists.

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Speaker 2: He has ten thousand, four hundred and forty one rushing yards.

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Speaker 2: Great Derrick Henry is still two thousand yards.

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Speaker 3: Behind him and might not get there.

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Speaker 1: And might not get there.

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Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, Eddie George played from nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: six to two thousand and fours.

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Speaker 1: He played nine seasons. Henry's already at seven.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my argument is more for Henry than against him.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's not a slam dunk, No, far

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Speaker 1: Fred Taylor can't get a sniff of the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's seventeenth on the all time rushing list with

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Speaker 2: eleven six hundred and ninety five yards.

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Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, was also pretty good catch

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, if he played the today, he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean people are gonna it's the Frank Gore

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Speaker 1: But I mean people argued that.

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Speaker 2: Bettis was just a guy who accumulated because he hung

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Speaker 1: Talk about a guy who hung around a long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, would much rather play against Frank Gore than Derek Henry.

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Speaker 1: Without a doubt, no question, without a doubt.

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Speaker 3: Kind of my point though, and anytime you talk all

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Speaker 3: to compare apples to apples, running backs of your ear overs,

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Speaker 3: running backs of your ears, quarterbacks, et cetera. So the

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Speaker 3: You know that Bradshaw numbers don't get you in nowadays,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like it right, It's just

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Speaker 2: Again, maybe not. I mean, who knows, who knows where

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Speaker 2: over this stretch of time. Yeah, he rushed for two

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Speaker 2: you in that conversation.

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Speaker 3: So we had a similar conversation today on my podcast

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Speaker 3: about this article, and just you know, we were in

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Speaker 3: a different direction. But I threw this out too, Like

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Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey, Like, I don't think he's a Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 3: but like Quentintin Nelson's on this list, Christian McCaffrey's first

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Speaker 3: five years has been as good as Quinton Nelson's, maybe better,

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Speaker 3: the all time rushing leader behind Russell Wilson. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think Quintin Nelson is somewhat overrated. Yeah, shouldn't be.

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Speaker 2: He's not played long enough to be on this list.

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Speaker 2: Must for your guard. If Pat Mahomes has played long

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Speaker 2: enough to be in this list, Quintin Nelson is not.

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Speaker 2: Mika Fitzpatrick isn't on this list. They played the same

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Speaker 2: about the same amount of years. Here, TJ. Watt is

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Speaker 2: But if TJ.

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Speaker 1: Wants not on this list, Quentin Nelson should not be

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Speaker 3: And the fact that Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 1: Is, well, let's get let's get to that.

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Speaker 2: Because they have their list of potential Hall of Famers

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Speaker 2: DeVante Adams, Joel Patonio, no Fletcher Cox, Miles Garrett, Khalil,

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Speaker 2: Mack Cordero, Patterson, Jalen Ramsey, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, and

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Speaker 2: Dominican Sue. Yeah, not a Steeler to be seen anywhere

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Speaker 3: See, I'm gonna be nice and just say they missed

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Speaker 3: Peterson because I don't know how you could possibly.

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Speaker 1: Do you include Matt Ryan on there and you don't

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Speaker 3: Peterson, right, I mean, to me, Patrick Peterson is not

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Speaker 3: one above it with Layton Johnson, and I mean the

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Speaker 3: better chance than Russell Wilson. I mean, like he's basically in.

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Speaker 3: He's as close to a lock that me not putting

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Speaker 2: So yeah, if you look at the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: monitor that Pro Football Reference, Yeah, Patrick Peterson's at eighty

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Speaker 2: four point eight zero. That is like the lowest or

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Speaker 2: the highest.

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Speaker 1: Of any player cornerback who's not in the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame right now. Yeah, yeah, and he's only going to

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Speaker 1: add to that this year with what he does.

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Speaker 2: It's the need to right, he'll be at eighty eight

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Speaker 2: higher than that if he gets because out, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm just being kind and gonna say, thirty thirteen, you

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Speaker 3: get a Mulligan, you missed one.

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Speaker 1: Because they missed more than one because Miles.

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Speaker 2: Getting in conversation. But Peterson's in Miles Garrett right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: his Hall of Fame monitor is thirty nine point four

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Speaker 2: It's not the lowest on there. Joe Kleco got in.

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Speaker 3: Like Sue's doing nothing to help his resume. Where Hayward

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Speaker 3: I mean some of it's like, put Miles Garrett on it,

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Speaker 1: Them both off, or leave them both off? Right enough?

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Speaker 3: Yet you know what I mean? Right, So, I Khalil

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Speaker 3: You know, I see that he's on the list. He

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Speaker 3: maybe he gets him, maybe doesn't. But put both Watt

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Speaker 2: Well, right now, Khalil Mack's Hall of Fame monitor is

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Speaker 1: Okay, so he deserves to be on that list. He's

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Speaker 2: Conversation right career, He's ahead of guys who are already

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Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent on you with that quick question

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Speaker 3: for you, what do you think of like Tyreek Diggs,

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Speaker 1: Well, that wide receiver group.

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Speaker 2: want to talk to Hall of Fame monitor score. Jerry

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Speaker 1: The next closest player is Randy Moss at one fifty

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Speaker 3: Who he doubles them. That's BONKERSSS is the second best er.

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Speaker 2: Now again, Julio played very valid to me that Julio

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Speaker 3: Nobody that one's justagregious as leaving Peterson off because he

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Speaker 2: This is not a Alan you know, Fanica versus Steve

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Speaker 3: you better leave Nelson off. I mean, their their resume

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Speaker 2: Well, I agree, Yeah, I agree completely, But again I

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Speaker 2: The fact is to me, though, that they don't have

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Speaker 3: Actually accumulators and.

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Speaker 2: So Ryan right now has a has a Hall of

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Speaker 2: Fame Monitor ranking of one oh six point oh five.

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Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger is at one point two eight.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that doesn't add up.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't add up to me at all.

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Speaker 2: But again, four Pro Bowls for Ryan. Uh, he had

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Speaker 2: an MVP, which helps, Okay, Roethlisberger.

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Speaker 1: Roethlisberger won two Super Bowls.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Stafford had one tremendous year with the

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Speaker 3: Rams that resulted in a Super Bowl. Ryan had won

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Speaker 3: great year that resulted in a Super Bowl loss in

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Speaker 3: an m v P. And then they had a lot

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Speaker 3: of very very good years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Ben's always had very very good years and better years

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Speaker 3: than those. His very very good years were better than

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Speaker 3: they're very very good years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Again, very this stuff is all subjective. I get it. Uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, I gat I've done the vote and been

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Speaker 2: in that room, and it's harder than people think. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: when you start talking about the fifteen finalists and you're

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Speaker 2: listening to the to the presentations on the fifteen guys,

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Speaker 2: and again I had the present I had to present

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Speaker 2: two guys that year, Fanica and Paula Malu, and you

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Speaker 2: want to give them both their due, and you get

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Speaker 2: ten minutes to talk about them, and you highlight everything

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Speaker 2: that they did well and all that stuff, and then

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Speaker 2: you have the question and the answer period. I came

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Speaker 2: out of a whole fifteen of those guys going, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that guy's probably Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just the way it goes.

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Speaker 3: And I think the Hall of Fame is a little

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Speaker 3: watered down too.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a.

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Speaker 3: Couple of names we meant Cleco or some guys in

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Speaker 3: there that have gotten in recently where I'm like, eh,

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Speaker 3: he doesn't blow me away.

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Speaker 2: The Hall of Fame would have could have gone on

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Speaker 2: just fine without that guy being added.

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's great equipment. Yeah, So I don't know. I love

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame conversations. You know, Ryan and Stafford will

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Speaker 3: be interesting long conversations, but I would put Philip Rivers

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Speaker 3: in over those guys.

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