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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: When do we have Crystal? Indeed, we do previewing President

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Speaker 1: Biden's big omicron address. We're getting a few details this

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Speaker 1: as Amicron has now really quickly become the dominant strain

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Speaker 1: So we'll give you all of those details. Also, surprise, surprise,

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Speaker 1: former President Trump saying something actually really useful and genuinely

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Speaker 1: very good. We'll tell you about that. Some interesting labor

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Speaker 1: on Amazon, writing a joint letter to Marty Walsho's the

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Speaker 1: labor secretary about Amazon's abusive labor practices. Louis c. K

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Speaker 1: he'd done shows. Now though he is out with his

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Speaker 1: there's been a big conversation, big discourse on that. We're

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Speaker 1: also talking today to the wife of one of the

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Speaker 1: what their wages were in twenty sixteen. In the process,

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Speaker 1: so they've taken these extraordinary trips up to New York City,

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk to Hayden today. We also have

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Speaker 1: We're going to have the link of the disas. That's right,

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Speaker 1: lot of links in description to everything that we talk

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Speaker 1: about today, but we wanted to start with the continued

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Speaker 1: fallout over Joe Manchin killing the Build Back Better Bill.

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Speaker 1: One of the big questions, and there are a lot

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Speaker 1: Clearly that was a lie. And then also Jensaki getting

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Speaker 1: to that. That would be his message to progressives who

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Speaker 1: And that would be his message. And January is an

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Speaker 1: board with build back better. The very latest from Promilagiapaul

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Speaker 1: Ada Chavez. She says, it's abundantly clear that Mansion can't

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Speaker 1: same place. If that's the case, that would actually be

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Speaker 1: a better situation. Yeah, if they killed it then rather

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Speaker 1: It didn't buy us any time, it didn't do absolutely anything.

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Speaker 1: But you can see there's some reporting this from CNN

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Speaker 1: about the way that they are trying to change their messaging.

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Speaker 1: This is, you know, inside the BiiN Edman eyes, of

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Speaker 1: potentially stark shift in messaging or on ending the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: They really want to shift from talking about cases to

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Speaker 1: talking about hospitalization and death. I think that is the

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Speaker 1: right way to think about this. If you get a

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Speaker 1: case and it's mild, that's we can all live with that,

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00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: that's okay. You know, it's not great. No one wants

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Speaker 1: to be sick, and you know, we don't want to

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Speaker 1: spread it anymore than you know is absolutely unavoidable. But

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Speaker 1: the thing that we really need to be concerned about

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Speaker 1: is hospitalization and death. So belatedly, I think they're shifting

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Speaker 1: their messaging on that. The other piece was, you know,

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Speaker 1: they really want this stark dichotomy between if you're vaccinated

446
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Speaker 1: and you've taken the steps you need to protect yourself

447
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Speaker 1: and your family, you're going to be fine. It's okay.

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Speaker 1: It's only if you're unvaccinated that this is really going

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Speaker 1: to be an issue. Now. I know that messaging has

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Speaker 1: been controversial and you didn't particularly like it personally. I

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Speaker 1: think that's the way they should have been framing it

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Speaker 1: from the beginning, because the muddled messaging making everybody like, oh, no,

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Speaker 1: matter what you've done, then you're afraid, Well, that kind

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Speaker 1: of downplays the efficacy of the vaccine and it also panics,

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Speaker 1: frankly a bunch of liberals who are vaccinated and boosted

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Speaker 1: who don't need to be so copped. I hadn't considered

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Speaker 1: it from that aspect, and actually, if on balance, I

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Speaker 1: do think that perhaps it could be positive. And I

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Speaker 1: do once again think that the it's just so little

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Speaker 1: too late, like this around hospitalization and death. This should

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Speaker 1: have been the message six months ago, the delta within

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Speaker 1: the message, because the psycho mind disease is inside all

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Speaker 1: of them. Now, masks are right back Karen Washington. Folks,

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Speaker 1: it's been we literally lasted I think five weeks, no,

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks before the mass mandate went back

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Speaker 1: into effect, a state of California back into a mass mandate,

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Speaker 1: the PG County and other Maryland schools going online, other

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Speaker 1: schools considering doing so. I mean the soft lockdown, and

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Speaker 1: those type of restrictions already creeping in, and they're doing

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Speaker 1: so because of the lack of ability for Biden in

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Speaker 1: them to actually assure people about the true efficacy of

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Speaker 1: the vaccine. And I continue one thing that really just

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Speaker 1: pisses me off, and I'll continue to hammer home why

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Speaker 1: does public discourse not reflect the fact that eighty five

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Speaker 1: percent of Americans have had adult Americans have had a

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Speaker 1: single dose to the vaccine. You would think there's like

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Speaker 1: fifty percent of the country unvaccinated. Not even true. The

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Speaker 1: real divide is between what people who want more restriction,

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Speaker 1: or who are comfortable with a lot more restriction and

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Speaker 1: a lot more disruption to day to day life, and

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Speaker 1: people who want to be completely free. Some of that

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Speaker 1: is compromised if people we are unvaccinated, it probably disproportionately,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of it are folks like me who

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Speaker 1: were double vaccine or had COVID or you know whatever,

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Speaker 1: and are like, look, I did it, you know, I

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Speaker 1: feel safe. Now, now let's move on. That's where the

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Speaker 1: actual dichotomy is. Biden now leaning more towards that question,

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Speaker 1: is is it too little too late? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: was a little bit hardened, and once again I'll try

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Speaker 1: to give credit where it is due to see the

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Speaker 1: White House Press Secretary try and underscore that cases are

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Speaker 1: not what they'll be focusing on now, and they'll try

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Speaker 1: to be looking more towards hospitalization death. Take a listen, evident,

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Speaker 1: still feel like COVID can be ended. His objective is

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Speaker 1: to continue to make vaccines available, reduce cases around the country,

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Speaker 1: reduced hospitalizations and deaths across the country, and do that

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Speaker 1: through making vaccines, testing and a range of utilities available.

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Speaker 1: See that was very important where she said reduce hospitalizations

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Speaker 1: that she caught herself corrected herselves around the cases and

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Speaker 1: look to update the talking points for those of you

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Speaker 1: who are skeptical and hey, listen, I totally get it.

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Speaker 1: But I think that the one aspect of this is

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Speaker 1: that if Biden can turn the temperature down on the

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Speaker 1: psycho mind disease of the people of New York City, DC, California,

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Speaker 1: the big city folks who want more of these, we

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Speaker 1: actually probably will all be better off. And it will

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Speaker 1: turn the temperature in terms of the calls for more restrictions,

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Speaker 1: some of the culture war around it and more, and

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Speaker 1: then we can actually move towards the more sustainable message,

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Speaker 1: because the sustainable message which crosses from Ron DeSantis, Governor

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Speaker 1: Abbott to now Joe Biden is Look, it's about hospitalizations

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Speaker 1: and deaths, which embraces the strategy yes of vaccination, also

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Speaker 1: monoclonal antibodies, if needed, therapeutics, making it so that at

514
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Speaker 1: home covid is completely has some sort of protocol which

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Speaker 1: you're enabled to have, and you turn it more into

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Speaker 1: the cold and to the flu. If that's the ultimate

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Speaker 1: end result of this, which I truly hope so, and

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Speaker 1: I'm begging the Biden people it is to move us

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Speaker 1: in that direction and avoid the horrific regime which we

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Speaker 1: have had to live under. Now he also needs to

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Speaker 1: bring Fauci to heal. Oh ay, they're going to be

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Speaker 1: talking about that in your monologue. I mean, remember it

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Speaker 1: was very recently that Fauci just made up this number

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Speaker 1: of oh, we want to get down to ten thousand cases,

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Speaker 1: which is very much at odds with what the White

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Speaker 1: House is saying now that basically the case number doesn't

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Speaker 1: really matter. What really matters. And this has been the

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Speaker 1: case ever since we really got vaccines. This has been

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Speaker 1: the case. What actually matters is severial in his hospitalization

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Speaker 1: and death. So they got to get him on board

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Speaker 1: with this new messaging too, because liberals love this guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he really has a lot of cultural power

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Speaker 1: among liberals. So the things that he said they literally

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Speaker 1: take as gospel. It's like a church, I mean, it

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Speaker 1: is like a religious zeal folks guy. So what he

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Speaker 1: says really really matters. I showed you those prayer candles

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Speaker 1: I found in Burlington, Vermont of Fauci's literal face on them.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to make fun of liberals too much

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Speaker 1: because we all have our things that we're into and

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Speaker 1: we have put a lot of faith in, but they

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Speaker 1: have a lot of faith in doctor Fauscia. I'm saying

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Speaker 1: with what he says really really matters. The other thing

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Speaker 1: I'll say here is I think your point about him

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Speaker 1: trying to reassure the liberal base is really important because

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Speaker 1: Biden's instinct, he's been totally flat footed on the response,

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Speaker 1: you know, behind the eight ball in terms of getting

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Speaker 1: the testing capacity up in all of those things. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of legitimate criticism there. His instinct on things

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Speaker 1: like lockdowns has been pretty good. He's been kind of

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Speaker 1: you know, he's sort of established himself as like a

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Speaker 1: COVID centrist, and his own personal instincts have been in

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Speaker 1: line with where the majority of people are, frankly, which

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Speaker 1: is get vaccinated and then you know, try to go

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Speaker 1: about then go about your life. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: where the majority of the populations. I think that's where

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Speaker 1: things should be, and that's the right lane to take.

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Speaker 1: The problem is places like New York, places like San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: the places like DC, and the pressure on politicians in

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Speaker 1: those places to institute new mask measures, those schools, lockdown

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Speaker 1: those sorts of things that all comes from their voting base.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that doesn't come out of nowhere. So reassuring

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Speaker 1: the liberal base in the country, who are a minority

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Speaker 1: but are disproportionately vocal on these issues, that would that

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Speaker 1: would do a lot in terms of sort of, like

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Speaker 1: you said, calming the waters, and politically, it would be

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Speaker 1: the best thing that he could possibly do. Couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 1: Just an update on Biden himself. Let's put it up.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, screen, Biden was actually in close contact with

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Speaker 1: a mid level White House staffer who actually tested positive yesterday,

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Speaker 1: So they actually spent thirty minutes that person around Biden

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Speaker 1: on Air Force one. According to Jensaki, he took a

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Speaker 1: PCR test that tested negative. We'll see actually last yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: wish him the best. Absolutely, he's an old man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I really hope he's okay. This is one of those

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Speaker 1: things where, you know, from what I have heard, Crystal

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Speaker 1: is that people who are getting tested with omicron and

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Speaker 1: more in the earlier days, that it's actually not been detected.

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Speaker 1: This is purely anecdotal. I'm just saying, so it's still possible.

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Speaker 1: He's not necessarily out of it. That's a I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's an incubation period with any of the COVID variants,

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Speaker 1: so it can take some time for it to actually

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Speaker 1: be there and show up at a test. So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: As you said, you know, the fact that he's vaccinated,

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Speaker 1: he's boosted, that's great. He is an old man, so that,

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Speaker 1: you know, puts him at a somewhat higher risk. But

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Speaker 1: he's our president. God bless him. I really hope he's okay.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on Trump making some shocking comments where you know,

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Speaker 1: before I play this clip for everyone, you know, I've

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Speaker 1: been thinking that one of the downsides of not having

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Speaker 1: Trump on social media is we may actually have been

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Speaker 1: missing out on pro vaccine type messaging that Trump gave

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Speaker 1: yesterday in an appearance with Bill O'Reilly of all people,

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Speaker 1: but he implored his audience there to actually take back

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Speaker 1: the message of vaccines, saying the vaccine was a Trump invention.

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Speaker 1: Don't let them take it away from us. He revealed

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Speaker 1: he himself had a booster shot, and even more so,

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Speaker 1: he actually shushed people who were booing him for saying

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Speaker 1: that he got a booster. He's like, look, you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be forced to take it, but I did. And this

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Speaker 1: vaccine is a big, you know, measure of our movement.

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Speaker 1: So let's take a listen. But look, we did something

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Speaker 1: that was historic. We saved tens of millions of lives worldwide.

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Speaker 1: We together, all of us, not me. We we got

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Speaker 1: a vaccine done, three vaccines done, and tremendous therapeutics like

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00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: regeneron and other things that have saved a lot of lives.

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Speaker 1: We got a vaccine done in less than nine months

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Speaker 1: that were supposed to take from five to twelve years

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Speaker 1: because of that vaccine. Because of that vaccine, millions and

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Speaker 1: millions of people. I think this would have been the

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Speaker 1: Spanish flu of nineteen seventeen, where up to one hundred

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Speaker 1: million people died. This was going to ravage the country

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Speaker 1: far beyond what it is right now, take credit for it.

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Speaker 1: Take credit for It's a great what we've done is historic.

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Speaker 1: Don't let them take it away. Don't take it away

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Speaker 1: from ourselves. You're playing that. You're playing right into their

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Speaker 1: hands when you're sort of like, oh, the vaccine, if

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Speaker 1: you don't want to take it, you shouldn't be forced

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Speaker 1: to take it. No mandates. But take credit because we

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Speaker 1: saved tens of millions of lives. Take credit. Don't let

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Speaker 1: them take that away from you. Okay, so the president

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Speaker 1: may do you agree with that? Right? Both the President

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Speaker 1: and I are vax And did you get the booster? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I got it to Okay, so don't do donn it.

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Speaker 1: That's a very tiny group over the see amazing. I

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Speaker 1: don't know where else guy's been heart watching that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: me too. I mean, like I said, honestly, if he'd

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Speaker 1: been on Twitter, maybe he could have been pushing that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not and it's not an exaggeration to

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Speaker 1: say that that message could actually save people's lives, especially

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Speaker 1: the people who are older, more disproportionately obese, diabetic, whatever,

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Speaker 1: who have not been vaccinated. Those are the people who

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Speaker 1: are most likely to die from this thing. And actually,

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Speaker 1: you know, from what we've seen in the hospital data,

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Speaker 1: those are mostly the people who were showing up. So

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Speaker 1: to have that there, it was stunning, Crystal. Maybe the

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Speaker 1: bar is low, like I don't know, but watching that,

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Speaker 1: I just thought that a incredibly responsible and a good

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Speaker 1: message and b it actually, you know, does show and

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Speaker 1: I don't think that we I don't think people have

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Speaker 1: given enough credit and we certainly did. Was an operation

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Speaker 1: warp Speed was a fantastic achievement. It was a testament

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Speaker 1: really actually to what government can do and the best

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Speaker 1: of times when you throw everything at the problem. You

644
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Speaker 1: did a monologue. I think it was a rising up.

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Speaker 1: It's detailing all the specifics of that thing. It was

646
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Speaker 1: incredible what happened. And I think he deserves a tremendous

647
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Speaker 1: amount of credit. He's right to be proud of it. Yeah,

648
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Speaker 1: and literally, I mean I think that's where this comes from,

649
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: is he's like, don't take this away from me, like

650
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Speaker 1: this thing and it was good and you all should

651
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Speaker 1: be happy about that. The funny thing, there's a lot.

652
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Speaker 1: That's interesting here. I mean number one, I think people

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Speaker 1: have because he hasn't said a lot recently about vaccines

654
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Speaker 1: and go out and get the booster. He hasn't you know,

655
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Speaker 1: gone out of his way to message in that way.

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Speaker 1: People just just sort of assumed that he was exactly

657
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Speaker 1: where his bass was. Yeah, that's right. Now. The reality

658
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: is he says there when you know, there's some booing

659
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Speaker 1: when he says, I got the booster. The reality is,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the country again, eighty five percent

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Speaker 1: of American adults have had at least one shot. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so even among the Republican base. Yeah, that's most Republicans.

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Speaker 1: The majority has had a vaccine. So he actually isn't

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Speaker 1: especially sixty five plus. Yes, it's clear, that is very true.

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Speaker 1: He actually is in step with the majority of the

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Speaker 1: Republican base, just not the super vocal ones. So I

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Speaker 1: think that's an important note. But people had projected on

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Speaker 1: him this assumption that he was going to be in

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Speaker 1: line with the more most like strident maga anti vax

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Speaker 1: type sentiment, even though there wasn't actually any evidence of that.

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Speaker 1: He has again, he has not done all that he

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Speaker 1: should and could have taken a lot more opportunities to

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Speaker 1: push this message. But he's never called into question the

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Speaker 1: efficacy of the vaccine to my knowledge. I mean, you

675
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Speaker 1: can corrack me if you're actually remember he was attacking

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris for at the time she was calling into

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Speaker 1: question the Trump FDA and the vaccine. Well, and that's

678
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Speaker 1: a really good point because the other thing that I

679
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Speaker 1: was thinking about here is the big lockdowns were under Trump.

680
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, the vaccine has created under Trump.

681
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Speaker 1: The big lockdowns happen under Trump. And so there's this

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Speaker 1: disconnect between what Trump did what clearly based on you know,

683
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Speaker 1: his whats his comments there, and the fact that he

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Speaker 1: himself is boosted, how he feels about the efficsy of

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Speaker 1: the vaccine, and where the most strident member of the

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Speaker 1: base are. There's actually a big divergence there, which I

687
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Speaker 1: think is pretty interesting. I think it's not only interesting,

688
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: I think it's important. As somebody people have said, just

689
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Speaker 1: take that clip, cut it as an ad. The single

690
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Speaker 1: best thing you could do for vaccine uptaking this country

691
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Speaker 1: is probably play that on Fox News, as I honestly

692
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Speaker 1: don't know if it would matter that much because frommember

693
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Speaker 1: at the beginning, remember you don't want to put too

694
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Speaker 1: much stock in these like you know, anecdotal whatever. But

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Speaker 1: there was a focus group where they asked people in

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Speaker 1: red roller America who are very vaccine skeptical, like, you know,

697
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Speaker 1: if what if Trump said that the vaccine is good

698
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Speaker 1: and you should get it. They're like, we don't care.

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Speaker 1: They're like, no politician is going to persuade me. Just

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Speaker 1: fifteen percent though, would be a huge uptick, right, Yes, Look,

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Speaker 1: if you can get people to believe that venezuel and

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Speaker 1: dominions stole an election, like I don't you didn't get

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Speaker 1: them to believe that, perhaps believe in the efficacy getting

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Speaker 1: Vaine own the limbs to it, guys, if that's what

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Speaker 1: it takes. I do think it's also you know this,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why the censorship argument is sticking in

707
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Speaker 1: my head, but it is, which is that whenever yes,

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Speaker 1: like removing Trump look on balance like personally, yeah, it's

709
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: been kind of funny because it's like, oh, things feel

710
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Speaker 1: a lot more calm. You know, things have been in return,

711
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Speaker 1: but this is some of the stuff we may have

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Speaker 1: been missing out on. And I think it also, you know,

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00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: shows you that removing people has consequences. I think in

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Speaker 1: both directions, and that we have considered that the people

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Speaker 1: on Twitter and everybody in the liberal discourse had considered

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Speaker 1: all the good things from their perspective that might come

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Speaker 1: from not having Trump or whatever in the public square.

718
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Speaker 1: But what about this. I mean, we did empirically miss

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Speaker 1: out on this if he wasn't there tweeting every day

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Speaker 1: about the vaccine efficacy and saying, actually, you guys, should

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Speaker 1: I just got a booster. I mean, that's tremendously effective.

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Speaker 1: People were very upset. You remember when Trump didn't reveal

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Speaker 1: whether he got in the vaccine or not in the

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Speaker 1: past around before he left office. That was another one

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Speaker 1: which it would have been I think very impactful, especially

726
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Speaker 1: at that time, to appear on camera or at say

727
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Speaker 1: I got this vaccine you all too. He did it

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Speaker 1: a few months later in one of his very first appearances.

729
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Speaker 1: But I do think that the country did lose something

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Speaker 1: by not having that message in the public and I

731
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Speaker 1: think it would have been tremendously important in the February

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Speaker 1: and March months. Yeah, and obviously, I mean the principle

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Speaker 1: of it is the most important thing, because we can

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Speaker 1: now and who knows, maybe him making Twitter and seeing

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Speaker 1: all that discourse would have made him, you know, lean

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Speaker 1: into more of like a vaccine has it or anti

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Speaker 1: vacs message. There's no way to know. But number one,

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's important to actually see the rot, like just

739
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Speaker 1: bearing it, pretending like, oh, let's just ignore him and

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Speaker 1: pretend he's gone away. I don't know that that's really

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Speaker 1: ultimately going to be healthful, healthy and good for the

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Speaker 1: direction of society. Number one. But look number two, this

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Speaker 1: is obviously, you know, former President of the United States,

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Speaker 1: incredibly significant, important figure. No matter what way you cut it,

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Speaker 1: the standards that were applied to him haven't been applied

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Speaker 1: consistently across the board, and those sorts of things ultimately

747
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Speaker 1: really matter. Even if on balance, which I suspect is

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Speaker 1: the case, we would have gotten a lot more bad

749
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Speaker 1: out of Trump on Twitter than good. Yeah, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll never know. We'll never know. Okay, let's move on.

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Speaker 1: This is a really important story, something that we always

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Speaker 1: want to try and highlight. Here. Marco Rubio and Shared Brown,

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Speaker 1: so Republican from Florida and then Democrat from Ohio, sent

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Speaker 1: a joint letter to Labor Secretary Marty Walsh. Let's put

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Speaker 1: that up there on the screen calling for an immediate

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Speaker 1: investigation of Amazon's labor practices. And you know this is

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Speaker 1: something where look, there's a lot of rhetoric around right, left,

758
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Speaker 1: can they work together, etc. In many cases the answer

759
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: is no, and there's irreconcilable differences. But we do want

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Speaker 1: to try and highlight any sort of bipartisan push in

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Speaker 1: order to benefit organize labor, or not even just organized labor,

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Speaker 1: just labor generally. That actually found in this letter a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a glimmer of hope, because what we

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Speaker 1: saw here, Crystal is that Rubio and Shared Brown they

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Speaker 1: write about we write to urge you, and this is

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Speaker 1: to the Labor Secretary to investigate Amazon in labor practices.

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Speaker 1: You oversee and investigative enforcement authorities, and we ask you

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Speaker 1: to ensure these authorities that Amazon is treating his workers

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Speaker 1: fairly with dignity, in accordance with the law. And then

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Speaker 1: they list out. In December twenty twenty, the NLRB upheld

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Speaker 1: claims Amazon had wrongfully terminated employee protesting working conditions. In

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Speaker 1: February March twenty twenty one, NLRB conducted a male ballot

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Speaker 1: election around what we're talking about. In Bessemer Alabama. So

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Speaker 1: Rubio here is specifically citing with the NLRB finding that

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Speaker 1: Amazon did tamper with the union election, which will lead

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Speaker 1: to another one twenty twenty one April, violating labor laws,

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Speaker 1: firing two workers who criticize employee practices. There's a litany

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Speaker 1: of other complaints there within. I think what's important, though,

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Speaker 1: is that these both focus on unions, organized labor, the

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Speaker 1: conditions of the workers themselves, and it's signed by a

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Speaker 1: Republican senator. And look, the bar can be low, but

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Speaker 1: that is important in terms of it's salience for when

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Speaker 1: a labor secretary himself will be like, Wow, maybe I'll

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Speaker 1: get some bipartisan street cred by doing something about this.

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Speaker 1: It sends a message to Biden. But the most important

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Speaker 1: it sends a message to Amazon. You know. It's really

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Speaker 1: interesting because when Rubio came out in favor of the

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Speaker 1: union election and Bessemer, we gave him some credit for

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Speaker 1: doing it, but his op ed about it was extremely cringe.

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Speaker 1: It was like, in general, I don't think that unions

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Speaker 1: are good. Means are bad, the product is bad, organized

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Speaker 1: labor is bad. But I hate Amazon because they're woke,

793
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: so right, but woke hr Department. So I'm in favor

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Speaker 1: in this one very limited instance of the union. This

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Speaker 1: looks like genuine it's like real stuff, and I wonder,

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's too much to really hope, but

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Speaker 1: I wonder if he hurt some of that criticism and

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Speaker 1: feedback and ultimately took it in because this does seem like,

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Speaker 1: you know, a growth trajectory, which I am delighted to see.

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Speaker 1: And I read carefully through this letter that they sent,

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Speaker 1: looking and waiting for the cringe, and it's not there.

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Speaker 1: Every single thing that they itemize are things we've covered

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Speaker 1: on this show. I think we've covered every single I

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Speaker 1: We've covered all of them on the show. In fact,

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00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: they die like Chris Smalls, they forgot the union election,

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Speaker 1: They talk about what happened with the tornadoes in Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: all of those things. So that is that is genuinely significant.

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Speaker 1: And there's a couple other things that I'll say about this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Rubio now effectively has the lane of

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Speaker 1: this type of potentially pro labor politics to himself because frankly,

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Speaker 1: people on the Democratic Party are not going to want

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Speaker 1: to work with Josh Holly after his whole you know,

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Speaker 1: insurrectionist the fifth like he's made himself so toxic that

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Speaker 1: any leadership that he could have potentially had in these

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Speaker 1: types of areas is off the table. Now. I also

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Speaker 1: want to say, Josh Holly has been bad on unions,

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Speaker 1: like he supported write to Work in Missouri, and he

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Speaker 1: has not had a good track record there. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying he would have been interested in doing this anyway.

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Speaker 1: But if he ever was interested in doing this sort

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Speaker 1: of like you know, horseshoe economic politics with people like

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00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: Bernie again, like you did before with the Czech with

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Speaker 1: the checks, it's going to be a lot a lot

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Speaker 1: more difficult. And I have tried to point this out.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, look, you make yourself politically toxic whenever you

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Speaker 1: embrace this nonsense, and you actually make it so that

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Speaker 1: any bipartisan ability to get anything done is less. That

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Speaker 1: being said, I don't think that a lot of them

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Speaker 1: care because they want to be president and they want

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Speaker 1: juice with the Republican base. So look, we'll see, Okay, yeah, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: you made your choice. But the other instances where we

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Speaker 1: also wanted to highlight this. This is from a congressional

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Speaker 1: candidate named Joe Kent in Washington. He's been making some waves.

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Speaker 1: I heard a little bit about him here in DC.

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Speaker 1: Let's put it up there in the screen. He actually

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Speaker 1: quote tweeted Bernie Sanders talking about Kellogg's workers who are

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Speaker 1: being replaced because they were on strike. He says, quote

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Speaker 1: Bernie is right. We must protect US workers from having

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Speaker 1: their jobs taken from them. If Kellogg's wants to make

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Speaker 1: cereal in Mexico, they shouldn't get to sell it in America.

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Speaker 1: We must strive to be a nation that cares about

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Speaker 1: our people, not just an economy. I mean, look, you

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00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: would be hard pressed to find a Republican candidate who

844
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Speaker 1: is running against a person who voted for Trump's impeachment,

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Speaker 1: who is then endorsing a labor message and strike message

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Speaker 1: from Bernie Sanders to kellogg workers. I'm not saying this

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Speaker 1: is the mainstream of the Republican Party. Joe Kent is

848
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: very much in the minority in talking about this. But

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Speaker 1: it's significant because he does have his cultural base covered

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Speaker 1: because he's pro stopped the steel base right and and

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Speaker 1: Trump endorsed him. Key because he's running against somebody voted

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Speaker 1: for his impeachment, and it's interesting to me, because it's like,

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Speaker 1: you can sneak in a lot of stuff if you're

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Speaker 1: willing to play the culture war on the other flank.

855
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: As we pointed out though with Holly, it can also

856
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: make it so that it cancels any ability to actually

857
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: do anything about it, because ultimately the culture war is

858
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: the center of the culture war controls, right, and so

859
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: if you can occasionally sneak in one or two heterodox

860
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: economic positions, that's all well and good, but those are

861
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: the first things to drop. The culture war is the

862
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: thing that will and I would say this is that

863
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: will always be there. This is ubiquitous. Jd Vance another

864
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: full disclosure a personal friend of mine. So yeah, take

865
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: that also with the grain of salt. Put it up

866
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: there on the screen, saying, quote, allowing companies to use

867
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: overseas slaves to undercot the wages of American workers is

868
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: a political decision. We can make differences and protect the

869
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: livelihoods of our people. He was quote tweeting there the

870
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: quote tweet of Bernie, but again tacitly endorsing the message

871
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: not necessarily of unions, but of standing as Bernie was

872
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: with the Kellogg workers themselves who are protesting outsourcing both

873
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: of their jobs and the full replacement of them because

874
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: they had the audacity to strike for better wages. Am

875
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: I saying that some great right left alliance will come. No,

876
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: but these are significant developments in the field of labor politics,

877
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: and I just want to see people get help and

878
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: people done, so you know, you can welcome it to

879
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: a certain extent and be realistic about what it represents.

880
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: They're a major divergence from the lockstep uniformity of the

881
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: National Republican Party since the Reagan era. I mean, that's

882
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: that's what it is, is their little teeny sparks and

883
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: glimmers of something different. And that is I mean, that

884
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: is extraordinary because the Republican Party has been just totally

885
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: unified on a union busting approach and right to work

886
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: for decades. Now. Right to work was a major, hugely

887
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, well financed, you know. Can I let me

888
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: just see this story, which is that I personally know

889
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: that voters don't give a damn either way. It was

890
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: purely Coke funded these abilities top down from the billionaires,

891
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: from the donors straight to the candidates, saying right to

892
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: work is our top priority. So they shove it into

893
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: the legislature. Yeah, and actually make sure and that's how

894
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: you end up, I mean, backing Scott Walker and all

895
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: those fights you know that were happening under the during

896
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: the Obama years. But yeah, that was an extraordinarily organized, concerted,

897
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: well financed effort to push right to work across the country.

898
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: The idea for the Kochs was very ideological. It was

899
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: also about political power, because labor unions, you know, would

900
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: fund and support democratic causes, and so the Democrats, stupidly,

901
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: not understanding power, decided to abandon the labor unions. By

902
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: and large, I mean, you had plenty of Democrats who

903
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: decided they would jump on the bandwagon with right to work,

904
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: and people like Mark Warner and others who thought that

905
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: that was the way of the future, and they wanted

906
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: to align themselves instead with the sort of white collar

907
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: professional class. Really stupid decision on the Democrats part, very

908
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: smart political power decision on the Republican part, because they saw, Okay,

909
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: this is where bulk of the money is coming for

910
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: Democratic politicians, so we're going to try to try to

911
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: kill this whole movement off. So that's why, even though

912
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: these are really small signs, they do represent something really different.

913
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: I also have to say, take the time to watch

914
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: that Bernie Kellogg's video because it's really good. They did

915
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: a really good job. One of the things he says,

916
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: which I think is part of why, like his rhetoric

917
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: was very well calibrated. He's one of the only people

918
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: on the left elected politicians who knows how to do

919
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: this well. He says in this thing, if you love America,

920
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: you love the workers, and if you love American workers,

921
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: you don't ship their jobs to desperate people in Mexico

922
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: and pay them ninety cents an hour. I mean, you'd

923
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: be hard pressed to find a single person's country disagrees

924
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: who isn't worth it. That's a great message, Yeah, you

925
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: know that, Like, Okay, Democrats, leftists like take that sort

926
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: of language and messaging that connects with Like you said,

927
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: you get eighty percent agreement on that, like lean into that.

928
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: And that's that's why Bernie came as close and did

929
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: as well as he did, is because he almost uniquely

930
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: knows how to message in that way. So the last

931
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: thing I'll say on this is even though at the

932
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: national level Republicans have been and lockstep anti labor, that

933
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: hasn't been true at the local level, especially in states

934
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: like West Virginia and Kentucky, you have some Republicans who

935
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: continued to be labor Republicans and continue to support things like,

936
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, union rights and to push back against some

937
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: of the ways that labor power was cut back in states,

938
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: and especially in some of these sort of like populist

939
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: Appalachian states. So it's not crazy to think that you

940
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: could have some contingent of the Republican Party nationally that

941
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: is also at least somewhat supportive of labor rights. And

942
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: it matters if you do, because it makes labor unions

943
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: more powerful because right now, since it's only Democrats that

944
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: support them, it makes it very easy to caricature them

945
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: as just like another tool of the hated Democratic Party.

946
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,240
Speaker 1: So if you have some bipartisan support, suddenly they become

947
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: a much more relevant and potent cultural powerhouse. You can

948
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: see this in a state like West virginal This is

949
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: something we forgot to mention about Mansion, where the coal miners,

950
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: because they have such cultural cachet and because they have

951
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,439
Speaker 1: political cred between Democrats and Republicans, they have a lot

952
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: of influence. They still have a lot of influence in

953
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: the state. And oh, by the way, the thing I

954
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: forgot to mention with the build Back Better fallout is

955
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 1: they have come out against Mansion's position on build back Better.

956
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: Why because there was money in build back Better to

957
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: support coal miners who are stricken with black lungs. So

958
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 1: just an interesting example of how bipartisanship within the labor

959
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: movement is actually really important for strengthening the labor and

960
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: we're going to try and highlight any example of that

961
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: that we can find. So if you see one, please

962
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: let us know. All right, possibly a less much less

963
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: important story. It's a funny segment them a less okay.

964
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: Louis c k he has been since his let me

965
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: back up. The things he did were really terrible. He

966
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: has admitted to you know, masturbating in front of people

967
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: who really didn't want him to do that, masturbating on

968
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: the phone while he's talking to someone. You know, it

969
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: was really gross. And I'm not talking about like one

970
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: or two instances. There were at least five documented instances,

971
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: and you get the sense this was a pattern of

972
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: behavior and probably a lot more. He apologized, He said

973
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: the stories are true. He said, I'll just read a

974
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: little bit just so you guys have the history of this,

975
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: so we can, you know, start from the same place.

976
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: He says, at the time, I said to myself that

977
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: what I did was okay because I never showed a

978
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: woman in my dick without asking first, which is also true.

979
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: But what I learned later in life, too late, is

980
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: that when you have power over another person, asking them

981
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: to look at your dick is not a question. It's

982
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: a predicament for them. The power I had over these

983
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: women is that they admired me, and I wielded that

984
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 1: power irresponsible. He talks about the genuine hurt and pain

985
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: that he caused these women, some of whom you know,

986
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: their careers as comedians were really negatively impacted. They were

987
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: traumatized by this. All of that, so he did a

988
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: lot of bad things. He apologized for it. That was

989
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: several years ago, and he went away for years. Then

990
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: he came back and he did some sort of like underground,

991
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, he'd come out, he'd do a set. He's

992
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: sort of been like building himself back into the mainstream.

993
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: And now he just announced his first special since all

994
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: of that happened. Let's go ahead and put this tear

995
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: sheet up on the screen. This has of course led

996
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: to very heated conversations on Twitter about Cancel Culture. Here's

997
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: media It's take. They say, Louis c K surprise special,

998
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: it's called sorry. Sparks Twitter debate on cancel culture proofs

999
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: he hasn't learned anything. Some of the commentary here just

1000
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: to give you know, the perspective of those twitters who

1001
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: were upset. Here's one who says, if anyone actually thinks

1002
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: someone can be canceled, just tell them. Louis c K

1003
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: advertises new stand up special during the first commercial break

1004
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: of SNL. You have, you know, people who are echoing

1005
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: at Louis c K is back despite having admitted to

1006
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 1: committing heinous acts of sexual misconduct. Jeffrey Tuban is regularly

1007
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: back on CNN after masturbating in front of several colleagues

1008
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: on a zoom call. And they have a little like

1009
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: jeff from what was it called white Lotus? Is that

1010
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: what is called the girl saying like such a good show,

1011
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: straight white men are doing just fine, don't worry. So anyway,

1012
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 1: that was kind of the general take. Sager. I'm curious

1013
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: for your views. Yeah, I mean, look, a guy apologized

1014
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: and this is extremely controversial. I get it, but the

1015
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: guy apologized. How long is he going to be excised

1016
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: from polite society? Also, the idea that he wasn't quote

1017
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: unquote canceled is ludicrous because he's been almost absent from

1018
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: the public square for five years, unable and too afraid

1019
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 1: to appear on major platforms, and more, has not booked

1020
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: a major special at place. I mean, look, I wants,

1021
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: you know, gobot tickets to see Louis c k in

1022
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden. I mean, he's not coming back there

1023
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: anytime soon. Also viciously attacked whenever a part of his

1024
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: jokes said around Parkland was leaked, which, look, you can

1025
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: attack me if you want. I thought it was funny.

1026
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: Oh god, I didn't hear that part. I just it

1027
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: was a idea what he said, So I don't want

1028
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: to it was controversial. It was funny. I mean, that's

1029
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: a comedian's job. They're supposed to be funny. They make

1030
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: jokes about things that are in the that are in

1031
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: like the public square, and they ridicule it for popular effect.

1032
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with it. As Joe Rogan and them

1033
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: who say it all the time, they don't actually mean it.

1034
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: People they're just trying to make you laugh. So I

1035
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: think you can separate that out from his own personal conduct.

1036
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 1: And I think the idea that because he was able

1037
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: to return to he didn't even get a real special.

1038
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: By the way, with Netflix, Amazon or whatever, I don't know.

1039
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: I have no inside information on whether he even tried.

1040
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: He has actually in the past pioneered the direct you know,

1041
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: just buy your special, which I am going to purchase im.

1042
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: I've always loved Louis c Case comedy. I do think

1043
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: that there's a sociopathic kind of want in order to

1044
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: destroy his entire career. He did lose his show. He

1045
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: essentially has been banished from polite society. And I think

1046
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: honestly that if this had come out at any other

1047
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: time than when it did, he would have been fine.

1048
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,959
Speaker 1: And that seems really gross to me, because I don't

1049
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: think that Luis c. K is considered within the context

1050
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: of his actual actions. To remember, whenever it dropped, it

1051
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: was at the height of Harvey Weinstein and Matt Lauer,

1052
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: and that's why the special dropped on him so much.

1053
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: And it's also part of his set is he's like,

1054
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: do you guys know what it's like to lose like

1055
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars. You know, he's like, I did it

1056
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: in one night, a single night. This is part of

1057
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: his old set, So I hope I'm not ruining it.

1058
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's in the new special or not.

1059
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 1: So look, cancel culture is obviously nuanced. It's an overused,

1060
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: annoying term. I do think that he was treated incredibly unfairly,

1061
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: especially because it's not like a I don't think he

1062
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: was treated unfairly because he was a predator. I mean,

1063
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: there's just no way around acknowledging that what he did

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Speaker 1: repeatedly consistently as a pattern was really really bad. Is

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Speaker 1: it Harvey Weinstein bad? Is it Bill Cosby? No? Look,

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Speaker 1: these things exist on spectrum, right. Is it way worse

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Speaker 1: than what say al Franken did and lost his seat

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Speaker 1: in the said, you know, resigned from the Senate for yes,

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Speaker 1: way worse than you know whatever. The sort of like

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Speaker 1: loose allegations against Franken ultimately were also which was done

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Speaker 1: in the context of him being a comedian in certain ways.

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Speaker 1: So do I think that it was unfair that he

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Speaker 1: was pushed out of the public square for a time. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that was unfair well five years. The problem,

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Speaker 1: the thing I have a problem with is that the

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Speaker 1: desire for that retribution and that penance it never ends.

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Speaker 1: This is something Liz Brunick talks a lot about, which

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Speaker 1: I think comes from her faith faith tradition, which is

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Speaker 1: that we have to have some kind of process for

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Speaker 1: forgiveness and rehabilitation. That's a concept that the left understands

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Speaker 1: very very well when it comes to criminal justice reform.

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Speaker 1: And that's a good thing, and that's a beautiful thing,

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00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: but we have to have that peace in you know,

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Speaker 1: these conversations especially about sexual assault, about rape, about sexual improprieties,

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Speaker 1: all of these things, this whole spectrum of you know,

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00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: bad behavior that it's all comes together within the Me

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00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: too movement and for a lot of people, you know,

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00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: in this sort of liberal left, there is no duration

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Speaker 1: of punishment, no sentence severe enough or long enough for

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Speaker 1: them to be satisfied. Whenever the person makes a comeback,

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Speaker 1: it's always that we teld you cancel culture and isn't

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Speaker 1: ultimately real. Now, the other thing that I want to

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Speaker 1: say that I think is legitimate is I would totally

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Speaker 1: buy the idea that someone who you know, may maybe

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Speaker 1: a black man who did the same thing that he

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Speaker 1: may be pushed down to public square forever. That the

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Speaker 1: you know, the sort of punishment, the ability to make

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Speaker 1: a comeback is not the same based on some of

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Speaker 1: your identity characters, certainly based on your prominence and your class.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the other thing, that the fact that

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Speaker 1: Louis c K can make a comeback when he's so

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Speaker 1: rich and so famous doesn't say a lot about what

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Speaker 1: other people who are a lot less rich and a

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Speaker 1: lot less famous, what their life trajectory is ultimately going

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Speaker 1: to be. It's an excellent point. I forget who has

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Speaker 1: done the list. It could be I remember Jesse Singaal

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00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: talking about it on the Joe Rogan podcast. So somebody

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00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: else can go out and find it. But it's a

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Speaker 1: list of people who actually were subject to these types

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Speaker 1: of attacks and cancelations, not necessarily as high profile. But

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00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: there ain't no comeback for them. They're gone, they lose

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Speaker 1: their job. And it's not like Louis where he has

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Speaker 1: millions of bucks I assume special like he can just

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Speaker 1: put on his own specially he's got a fan based

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Speaker 1: people like me who will pay for it. These are

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Speaker 1: people who like lost everything, lost livelihood, lost ability to

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Speaker 1: pay mortgage, and yeah, I mean, look, at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, that will always concern me ten times

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Speaker 1: more than Louise Louis K. And the reason why I

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Speaker 1: look at it and I do say I do think

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Speaker 1: he was treated unfairly is because I don't think it

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Speaker 1: was within the context of what he actually did. He

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Speaker 1: was punished much more for the actions and treated commiserate

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Speaker 1: with somebody who was an actual rapist as opposed to

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Speaker 1: a fricking creep. And look, like I think we should

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Speaker 1: be able to acknowledge that, And as you said, we

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Speaker 1: can also say, like, look, we should have a space

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Speaker 1: in our society for people who were creeps in order

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Speaker 1: to say, hey, man, you were a real creep. Now

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Speaker 1: stop being creep. And if you stop being it, and

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Speaker 1: you could have a proven record of doing so, as

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Speaker 1: far as I know that has been held to by

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Speaker 1: mister c K, then yeah, you should be able to

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Speaker 1: come back. That's listen. I think that some sort of

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Speaker 1: you know, public square penalty was appropriate. But also he's

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Speaker 1: the one who pulled himself out of the public well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, part of his apology was I'm going to

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Speaker 1: go and be by my for a while and think

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Speaker 1: about all of this and try to be you know,

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Speaker 1: try to reform and be a better person. Anyway. I

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Speaker 1: think the part that we share is that after you know,

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Speaker 1: years of being outside of the public square, like what,

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01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: you're going to exil them forever for his entire life.

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Speaker 1: That's that's not commensurate with you know, the horrible behavior

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01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: that he did commit and you know, admitted to committing

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent agree with all right, sicher, what are

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Speaker 1: you looking at? Well, the longer that we go into

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Speaker 1: this pandemic, the more it's been exposed, the public health

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01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: authorities are much more concerned with the authority they have

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01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: over than actual public health. You know, yesterday I detailed

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Speaker 1: how the CDC deliberately used a bunk scientific report to

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Speaker 1: justify mass in schools for tens of millions of children,

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Speaker 1: harming their development, robbing them of some of their most

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Speaker 1: meaningful parts of their lives. While I believe the children

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Speaker 1: should always be our number one priority, there's also plenty

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Speaker 1: of unscientific pandemic theater in our daily lives too, Like

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Speaker 1: people who still think COVID is spread by surfaces, those

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Speaker 1: who still abide by six feet apart, even when there's

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01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: no evidence to support it. But worse, the absolute worst

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Speaker 1: of it all is wearing a mask on a plane.

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Speaker 1: As someone who has flown now several times throughout the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: I have witnessed parents hold masks to the faces of

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Speaker 1: their screaming children in desperate fear that they will get

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Speaker 1: kicked off the plane. I've witness people whose masks have

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Speaker 1: fallen below their noses while sleeping get woken up and

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Speaker 1: sternly reminded. And yet when the snacks get distributed and

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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, okay, it's fine to take off. Obviously

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make any damn sense. But you leave it

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Speaker 1: to the chief villain of this pandemic to not only

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Speaker 1: defend the current policy, say it will never go away.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen. Several of the top the CEOs of

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Speaker 1: the top airlines said that on an airplane you are

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Speaker 1: actually safer than you are in an ICU the protection

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Speaker 1: with the filtration system they have. They were suggesting that

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Speaker 1: there really isn't much of a need for a mask

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Speaker 1: on an airplane. Are we're going to get to the

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Speaker 1: point where we won't have to wear masks on airplanes?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think when you're dealing with

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Speaker 1: a closed space, even though the filtration is good, that

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Speaker 1: you want to go that extra step. In plain English,

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Speaker 1: no matter what happens, the masks are not coming off.

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Speaker 1: That's doctor Fauci if he has his way. This is

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Speaker 1: crazy and it also shows you once again, his so

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01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: called recommendation is not rooted in science. As the host

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Carl alluded to research from the Pentagon, United Airlines,

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Speaker 1: and Delta Airlines all suggests transmission of coronavirus on board

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Speaker 1: and airplane remains low, with the Pentagon study finding that

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Speaker 1: you would have to sit next to an infectious passenger

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Speaker 1: for fifty four hours before you got an infectious dose

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Speaker 1: of the virus through the air. Don't trust the Pentagon. Look,

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Speaker 1: I don't blame you, Okay, Let's take a look at

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Speaker 1: Harvard University. It conducted a study at the height of

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Speaker 1: the pandemic in October twenty twenty, reported there is low

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Speaker 1: risk of COVID transmission on board and aircraft due to

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Speaker 1: the high efficiency particulate air filtration systems on board, which

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Speaker 1: remove ninety nine percent of the particles containing the virus

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Speaker 1: from cabin air. In fact, per the Harvard study, the

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Speaker 1: risk of transmission on board and aircraft is lower than

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Speaker 1: grocery stores or indoor mass Guess what, All of these

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Speaker 1: were done before people were vaccinated, So we have low

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Speaker 1: risk of transmission a vaccine that has turned COVID unironically

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Speaker 1: into the flu for most people. They should just come

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Speaker 1: off now, right, Hell, they should have come off six

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01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: months ago. But theater is going to theater. And it's

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Speaker 1: actually because it is so nonsensical that it's infuriating to

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Speaker 1: see mister science himself stand by something which he feels,

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Speaker 1: simply feels should be in place despite no evidence. All

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Speaker 1: of this constitutes a war on normal people. The vast

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Speaker 1: majority of people in this country got a vaccine. They

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Speaker 1: did it so restrictions would end, and then restrictions never ended,

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Speaker 1: and they turned on Biden, delivering for not some of

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Speaker 1: his worst presidential approval so far. Now you would think,

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Speaker 1: looking at data that the Biden administration would conclude they

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01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: need to fire Fauci for cause and change their tone

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Speaker 1: if they ever even hope of winning an election again.

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Speaker 1: But now they have decided to side with the mentally

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Speaker 1: ill bureaucrats and their pandemic forever Upper middle class white disciples,

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Speaker 1: and I guess let them because it is going to

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01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: be a bloodbath out there. As Rostauthatt observes, somewhat tongue

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Speaker 1: in cheek, the first executive order of the second Trump

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Speaker 1: administration will be removing the airplane mass mandate. Can you

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Speaker 1: imagine the resonance of the chant of make America great again?

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Speaker 1: After years of public health psycho rule is going to

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Speaker 1: have I say this to someone who thinks Trump was

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Speaker 1: a mostly terrible president, but Biden is paving the path

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Speaker 1: to a second Trump administration. Trump won't even have to

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Speaker 1: fake promise anything this time. He can just say, screw

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Speaker 1: Fauci and these crazy people. I'll actually just make stuff

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Speaker 1: normal again. It's why Biden is actually president. It was

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Speaker 1: so easy, give people stimulus checks and a vaccine, take

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01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: the mask off. Let's party. We could have had the

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Speaker 1: Roaring twenties and we got the nineteen seventies instead. It's

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Speaker 1: all his fault. Friend of the show Matt stole Er

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Speaker 1: tweeted in an alternative history of the Biden presidency in

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Speaker 1: which Biden came in declared COVID endemic, expanded treatment goes

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01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: after hospitals and healthcare companies price gouging people, accelerates at

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Speaker 1: home COVID tests for everyone, including unlocking competition and not

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01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: letting the FDA block development, encourage vaccine uptake, and finally

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01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: declare victory, attack any bureaucracy blue or red that is

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Speaker 1: restricting people unnecessarily, and most important, lock Fauci up in

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Speaker 1: his office and don't let him do any media. Imagine

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Speaker 1: that universe the guy would have had a sixty five

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Speaker 1: percent approval rating. I had very low expectations for Biden.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even even I did not expect him to

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01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: do something so colossally dumb. But he is. And that's it.

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Speaker 1: There is almost no return from the place that we

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Speaker 1: are at right now. Biden has abandoned us to be

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01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: ruled by Faucis and the psychos of the world, and

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Speaker 1: he has ensured both his own and the Democratic Party's destruction.

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Speaker 1: And they deserve it. Honestly, it was one of the

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Speaker 1: easiest layups in history of the American presidency, and he

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01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: blew it beyond comprehension. What depresses me most is that

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Speaker 1: I have watched two presidents in the last two years

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Speaker 1: fail miserably at what needs to be done on COVID

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01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: we can't even get what we actually need. Maybe we're

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Speaker 1: just getting what we deserve. I don't know, Crystal, I've

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Speaker 1: just become incredibly cynical about it. Yes, I know. This morning,

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Speaker 1: Biden five hundred million pasts and if you want to

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Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Sagres's monologue, become a premium subscriber

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Speaker 1: today at breakingpoints dot com. Crystal, what are you taking

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Speaker 1: a look at the birthplace and test lab of neoliberalism?

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01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: Just decisively rejected neoliberalism. So this week voters in Chile

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Speaker 1: were given a direct choice between two very different candidates.

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Speaker 1: On one side, with Jose Antonio cast you could think

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Speaker 1: of him as a Trump or maybe a Bolsnaro style candidate.

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Speaker 1: His cultural rhetoric was right wing populis, with calls for

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Speaker 1: law and order and great replacement style fearmongering about immigrants.

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Speaker 1: In terms of economics, he actually framed his campaign as

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Speaker 1: a battle to preserve quote sacred property rights, and he

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Speaker 1: also went all in on red scare anti communist rhetoric.

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Speaker 1: On the other side was Gabriel Borich, who you might

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Speaker 1: think of as a kind of a Bernie Sanders or

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Corbyn style social Democrat boridch gained prominence as the

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Speaker 1: leader of a twenty eleven student protest movement dedicated to

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Speaker 1: fighting high education costs, and like Sanders, he maintains a

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Speaker 1: revolutionary affect, even as his actual agenda is really pretty moderate.

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Speaker 1: He campaigned on some modest tax increases for the rich,

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Speaker 1: reducing the work week from forty five hours to forty hours,

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Speaker 1: and reforming the country's healthcare and pension systems. Fidel Castro,

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Speaker 1: he is not yet with his campaign pledge to quote

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Speaker 1: very neoliberalism. He is also a significant break from the

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Speaker 1: handmaidens to business and wealth which have governed that country

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Speaker 1: for many long decades. Now, why should you care about

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Speaker 1: what voters and Chili are up to. Well, First of all,

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Speaker 1: as I alluded to before, Chile's history is really significant.

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Speaker 1: As many of you know, the last leftist leader of

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Speaker 1: the nation was toppled by the US government in the

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Speaker 1: name of making sure companies would be able to profit

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Speaker 1: off of their substantial natural resources. We installed the brutal

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Speaker 1: military dictator Pinochet, who we propped up with money and loans.

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Speaker 1: While he and A's goons were throwing dissidents out of

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Speaker 1: helicopters and murdering them by the thousands. But US influence

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Speaker 1: has been just as significant in the post pinochet E

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Speaker 1: era as well. Chile was where we and our affiliated

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Speaker 1: global institutions tested out all of the so called market

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Speaker 1: reforms which we came to call neoliberalism. This started under

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Speaker 1: Pinochet with a group of Milton Friedman trained free market

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Speaker 1: ideologues known as the Chicago Boys, but they continued even

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Speaker 1: after the dictatorship was overthrown. Chile is only now after

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Speaker 1: mass social upheaval, rewriting their dictator era constitution. So while

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Speaker 1: the free market radicalism was touted by its adherents as

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Speaker 1: creating an economic miracle, the reality for ordinary Chileans was

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Speaker 1: one of high prices, low wages, and some of the

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Speaker 1: worst inequality in the entire world. In Chile, eighty percent

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Speaker 1: of people live paycheck to paycheck, but getting by on

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Speaker 1: credit and installment payments to purchase basic necessities. It is

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Speaker 1: a remarkable indictment of neoliberalism that even in the country

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Speaker 1: Hail does its greatest success, It has emserated so many

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Speaker 1: people that they just rejected it wholesale. Another reason you

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Speaker 1: should care, though, is because there are some ways that

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Speaker 1: Chilean politics seem to be mirroring US politics. Look, you

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Speaker 1: always want to be careful about making these comparisons. They

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Speaker 1: have an electoral system that's different from ours, a pass

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Speaker 1: and culture that's very different, social and economic conditions which

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Speaker 1: are also very different. Cass is not literally Donald Trump,

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01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,440
Speaker 1: and words does not literally Bernie Sanders. But sometimes international

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Speaker 1: politics do end up being a kind of canary in

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Speaker 1: the coal mine for our own politics. You can think

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Speaker 1: about Trump and Brexit. You can think about the realignments

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Speaker 1: that have moved working class voters to the right and

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Speaker 1: educated elites to the left in nearly every single developed country.

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Speaker 1: There's more domestic parallels, though, than just the prominence of

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Speaker 1: a populous left and rhetorically populous right figure as in

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Speaker 1: the US. Chile recently experienced a mass, historic protest movement

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Speaker 1: which was brutally suppressed by a militarized police date. So,

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Speaker 1: for US, the spark was obviously the brutal murder of

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Speaker 1: George Floyd by a police officer in broad daylight. For

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Speaker 1: ChIL the spark was a hike in the price of

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Speaker 1: public transportation in the capital city of Santiago, and those

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Speaker 1: protests in Chile in October twenty nineteen. They were truly extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: What started as a social media driven phenomena of high

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Speaker 1: schoolers hopping turnstiles quickly morphed into the largest protest in

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Speaker 1: the history of that nation. One point two million people

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Speaker 1: marched through the streets of Santiago. Keep in mind, Chili

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Speaker 1: is only a country of eighteen million people, so a

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Speaker 1: huge chunk of the population actually joined the action, and

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Speaker 1: like the George Floyd protest, some of those involved went

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Speaker 1: from protesting to rioting, burning metro stations, and blocking streets.

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Speaker 1: The state responded with a brutal police and military crackdown

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Speaker 1: that saw tanks rolling through the streets of Santiago. Were

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Speaker 1: calling chilling memories of the Pinochet dictatorship. Just as here, though,

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Speaker 1: the disorder and chaos of the protest opened up a

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Speaker 1: real lane for the right wing to promise to return

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Speaker 1: to law and order and to demonize all protesters as

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Speaker 1: illegitimate actors. That appeal worked really well for the right

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Speaker 1: wing candidate cast up to a point. He searched in

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Speaker 1: the polls and actually led in the first round of voting,

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Speaker 1: but he failed to secure a majority, and that forced

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Speaker 1: a second head to head matchup against Borich. In that

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Speaker 1: second round, a million war voters turned out, and Borich

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Speaker 1: made huge gains on his original coalition. Cass meanwhile, was

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Speaker 1: unable to expand beyond his first round base, leading to

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Speaker 1: a surprisingly lopsided victory for the leftist Borich. In other words,

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Speaker 1: Borich built a broad coalition while casts aggressive cultural war

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Speaker 1: politics limited his appeal. There could be some lessons here

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Speaker 1: for a Republican right wing that is enamored with a

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Speaker 1: similar sort of cultural backlash reactionary politics in Chile. At least,

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Speaker 1: those politics hit a hard ceiling beyond which they struggled

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Speaker 1: to expand up here in the US. It may work

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Speaker 1: well for say, the low turnout midterms, but may be

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Speaker 1: less effective when a much larger share of the population

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Speaker 1: turns out in the next presidential year. A final reason

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Speaker 1: why you should pay close attention to what happens in

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Speaker 1: Chile is to see if the US is going to

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Speaker 1: actually let them be for once. As the former Spanish

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Speaker 1: content director for Bernie put it, time for the Biden

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Speaker 1: don't cou Gabriel Borich challenge. It's funny because it's kind

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Speaker 1: of true for the deep state and the wealthy elites

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Speaker 1: who go into a murderous panic the minute that they

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Speaker 1: might not be able to fully exploit every single corner

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Speaker 1: of the world the Cold War ever ended. Just look

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Speaker 1: what they did to Eva Morales in Bolivia using a

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Speaker 1: fraudulent report about voter fraud to push him out of office.

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Speaker 1: Or consider the disgraceful failed attempt to install Juan Guido

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Speaker 1: in Venezuela. Now, listen, you do not have to like

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Speaker 1: Maduro to object to Trump's touting of a US military

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Speaker 1: option for Venezuela. The US governments admitted direct coup talks

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Speaker 1: with rebel officers, and they're rush to recognize Guido based

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Speaker 1: on his extraordinarily dubious claim to the presidency. Chile is

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Speaker 1: one more sign that the world is totally done with neoliberalism,

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Speaker 1: But is neoliberalism done with the world New leaders like

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Speaker 1: Borich they could help experiment and chart the course if

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Speaker 1: he is actually allowed to even modestly strike from the

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Speaker 1: prescribed path. Pretty fascinating here because actually this is an

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Speaker 1: instance where the polls ended up the ultimate vote ended

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Speaker 1: up being a love And if you want to hear

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Speaker 1: my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today

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Speaker 1: at breakingpoints dot com. All right, guys, we've been tracking

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Speaker 1: now for months the coal miners who are on strike

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Speaker 1: down in Alabama. Those are warrior met miners who have

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Speaker 1: been trying just to get back to what they had

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Speaker 1: before that company declared bankruptcy. In their struggle, they have

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Speaker 1: taken on everyone from the company directly to Blackrock that

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Speaker 1: you know basically owns the company at this point, taking

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Speaker 1: trips up to New York that were quite incredible to see.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now to give us an update on the

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Speaker 1: strike and the strikers themselves is Hayden Wright. She is

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Speaker 1: UMWA Auxiliary President for locals twenty two forty five and

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Speaker 1: twenty three sixty eight. Is so great to see you, Hayden.

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Speaker 1: It is so great to meet you. I just want

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Speaker 1: to come be here this this morning, we're actually out

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Speaker 1: at the stock pantry. We're getting ready to hand out

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Speaker 1: Christmas bags, paintry bags, and Christmas turkeys for our families

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01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: here on stock. So we'll be giving about three hundred

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01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 1: and fifty bags out today and turkeys out today, so

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Speaker 1: we're really excited for that. We just wrapped up a

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Speaker 1: solidarity Santa and Christmas event that was only possible thanks

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01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: to other workers and the labor movement and all of

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01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: you amplifying our strike in our message because it really

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Speaker 1: has been a media blackout here in Alabama. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: not only thanks to people like all of you. That's

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Speaker 1: one of the things that you know, has made us

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Speaker 1: try to pay so much attention to what is going

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Speaker 1: on down there. Listen, we give coverage to all the

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Speaker 1: strikes that are cropping up across America, and it's encouraging

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Speaker 1: to see how many workers are taking power to their

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Speaker 1: own hands. But you all have been out for months now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think this might be the longest going

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Speaker 1: strike in the country right now. How is everybody holding up? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we've been on track since April first. We're actually

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Speaker 1: into ninet month and it's the holidays, which always makes

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Speaker 1: things a little bit more difficult and a little bit

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Speaker 1: more stressful. We're holding really strong. We have had very

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Speaker 1: few members cross when you look at how long we've

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Speaker 1: been out on strick because being old struck is not easy.

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Speaker 1: It's not an easy thing that you do, and it's

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Speaker 1: not easy for your families, and especially when we are

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Speaker 1: in a right to work state. So we have seen

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Speaker 1: since the beginning the company being allowed to bust in scaps,

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Speaker 1: and even more of a slape the face is seeing

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01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 1: the state troopers that are paid for a lot of

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Speaker 1: times by taxpayer dollars that we're paying into escorting them

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Speaker 1: in to work to take union jobs, to take our jobs.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's really kind of strengthened or resolved

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Speaker 1: that we're ready to fight for as long as it takes.

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Speaker 1: Just let's remind people here of just the very bare

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Speaker 1: minimum of what you and your families are asking for here.

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Speaker 1: It's not a lot in terms of what these workers

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Speaker 1: are on strike for. Just outline that for the audience. Okay,

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01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: so we're on an unfair labor practices struck, and we

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01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: went on track April first against a bankruptcy contract. So

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Speaker 1: when Water Energy file for bankruptcy and rebranded itself as

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01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: Where Met coll we took massive concessions. Over six dollars

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01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 1: an hour in pay was cut. We lost our one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent healthcare coverage and went to an eighty twenty

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01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: plan was about a seven hundred and fifty dollars deductible

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01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 1: per person. When you factor that in the lost income,

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Speaker 1: that's huge for families. We went from being able to

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Speaker 1: spend holidays with our families, so we have three physical

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01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: holidays off the year. Under this last contract, our families

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Speaker 1: were together on Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve, and Christmas Day and

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Speaker 1: that was it. The rest of the time, the guys

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01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 1: were giving like a floating holiday that they were paid for,

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Speaker 1: where they were home by themselves while the rest of

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Speaker 1: us were back at work, the kids were back at school.

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Speaker 1: So all we're wanting is for them to address those

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Speaker 1: issues that we want to be able to actually not

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Speaker 1: only earn a livelihood, but have a life with our families.

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Speaker 1: So we're just asking to get back what we lost

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Speaker 1: five years ago. So we're not even asking for anything

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Speaker 1: more than that. We all know that inflation and everything

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01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: else is increased. We're just wanting close to what we

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Speaker 1: had five years ago and like too much to ask whatsoever,

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Speaker 1: especially when Warrior Met is backed by some really big pockets.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that we have found so inspiring

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Speaker 1: about the action that you all have taken is you've

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Speaker 1: taken your fight all the way up to New York City,

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Speaker 1: protesting outside of the headquarters of Black Rock. They are,

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Speaker 1: you know, part owners now of Warrior Met. Cole. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a look at what that looked like on the

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Speaker 1: streets collars, we're being one of you. We're not just you.

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Speaker 1: I spoke to the mom and pot shots that we're

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Speaker 1: supposed to be supporting. Now. I'm a patriot American and

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Speaker 1: I think that we hearing things like that all the time. Hayden,

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Speaker 1: our producer here yesterday, said that whatever those politics are

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Speaker 1: of coal miner's protesting outside of Blackrock, that is the

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Speaker 1: political ideology you feel affiliates with, and I think that

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Speaker 1: we feel the same. Talk about what that experience was

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Speaker 1: like and why it was so important to go and

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Speaker 1: take the fight to Blackrock. Yeah, so myself and my

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01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 1: husband actually went amy that session. Another auxiliar member she

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Speaker 1: actually went. Her husband wasn't able to go. She went

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Speaker 1: with us as well, and she's actually here with me

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Speaker 1: in the Patrick. So it was an incredible to go

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01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 1: and actually rally with our other union brothers and sisters

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01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 1: across the country to show people that unions aren't just

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01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: divided by your abbreviations. Unions are going to stand and

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01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 1: fight together every time one of our membership is in trouble,

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01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 1: and as we've been fighting here in Alabama with the UMWA,

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01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: it's been all of our other unions, all of other

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01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 1: supporters have been there every step of the way providing aid.

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01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: What can we do to help? Actually, right outside the

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01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: door right now, I'm looking at USW workers that are

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01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: coming in and they've brought turkeys for families. They're unloading

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01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,640
Speaker 1: a couple more toy donations for ones that couldn't make

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01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: it to the event this past Sunday. That's what solidarity is,

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01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: and that's what people who decide to scap. That's what

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01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: people that aren't familiar with unions, that've never been a

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01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 1: part of that type of organization don't understand, is that

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01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 1: it's not just your union that's standing behind you and

1501
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 1: protecting you. It's not just about your wind garden rocks

1502
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: that protect you from the boss being able to buy

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01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: you because they don't like you. It's giving you this

1504
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: entire community that's ready to fight for you and protect you,

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01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 1: and they care about you and your family. It's amazing,

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01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 1: really amazing, Hayden. Why do you think it is that

1507
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 1: the media has paid so little attention to this strike,

1508
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: Because look, we've followed the polling with regards to the

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01:20:56,200 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: American people standing alongside workers who are st breaking Kellogg's

1510
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: John Deere and some of the other large tricks that

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01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: have gotten more media attention. So American people are on

1512
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: your side. Why do you think that there has been

1513
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: so little media interest in what's going on for you?

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01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,600
Speaker 1: I really believe it's because the mainstream media and the

1515
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: people that own it. Most mainstream media is owned by

1516
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: these big corporations, the same ones as Facts all of

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01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 1: these other places. And it's kind of scary sometimes when

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01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 1: you see workers of all different races, ethnicities, ethnicities, political affiliations,

1519
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 1: religions standing together and they're fighting for a common purpose

1520
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: and they're fighting for the greater good of everyone. And

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01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: that's something that can make people stop and think and

1522
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 1: they're like, look, they're not divided at all. They're standing

1523
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 1: together and they're completely solid and they're making a difference.

1524
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: And that's something that can make people question what they're

1525
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 1: told and what they see. So I think for us

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01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 1: here in Alabama, it's been disheartening to see the lack

1527
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 1: of support from places that may maybe most people thought

1528
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 1: we would see it, like from Trump and Kivy and

1529
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 1: some of the Republican leadership that haven't come out. And

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01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: then we have gotten lunch support from like Alabama Democrats

1531
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 1: that have come and give donations, they've bench the rallies.

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01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: It's been kind of eye opening, and there's a misconception

1533
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,520
Speaker 1: of warrior met like people having sympathy for this multimillion

1534
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 1: dollar company and then for black Rock that is a

1535
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: billion dollar empire that has their hands in everything that oh, well,

1536
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: the green deal and clean energy. They're probably afraid to

1537
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: give the Ali good contracts. That's completely irrelevant here because

1538
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: we mind metallurgical coal, we mind zero thermal coal that

1539
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 1: used for energy. The coal that we mind here in

1540
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: Alabama is used to produce steel. You have to have

1541
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 1: it in a production of steel. So when you're talking

1542
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: about infrastructure and building back better and doing all of

1543
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 1: these things, creating solar panels, creating windmills, green energy, you

1544
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 1: have to have our product. They're highly profitable, are four

1545
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:05,719
Speaker 1: hundred dollars a ton right now. So the company isn't hurting,

1546
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 1: they're just wanting to exploit workers. That is so well said,

1547
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 1: and thank you for educating all of us and our

1548
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 1: audience on that point. We've been encouraging people to give

1549
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,600
Speaker 1: to your strike fund. We're going to make a contribution

1550
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: as well. And Hayden please keep us in the loop

1551
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: of what's going on so we can continue to highlight

1552
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: the really courageous struggle that you all are engaged in

1553
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: down there in Alabama and also in New York City

1554
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 1: and across the country too. That's right. Thank you so much, Hayden.

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01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 1: We appreciate you so much, Mary, Chris, the country. Yes,

1556
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:41,799
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, Wow, you guys have been busy. Hey guys, Actually, Hayden,

1557
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 1: one last question, what community what's community support been like?

1558
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 1: I know that labor movement support has been really strong.

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01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: What you know, Alabama obviously conservative state, so you said

1560
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: right to work state. How local people been reacting though,

1561
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: it really depends on the area. So when you think

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01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: about Brookwood, Alabama, Brooklyn, Obama, this is where mostly the

1563
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,600
Speaker 1: bosses live. Like when we're in the heart of Brookwood,

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01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 1: most of our miners and stuff live in our surrounding

1565
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 1: communities like West Blockton, Umwa took first place with their

1566
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: float in the West Blockton Christmas Parade. They're very supportive.

1567
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: They were cheering them on. They were like, keep fighting.

1568
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:18,799
Speaker 1: When we've been out like in Hoover and places shopping

1569
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: for the stuff for our kids, and they've seen us

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01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 1: in our camo. When we were with the group of

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01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 1: USW workers that came down from East Chicago to go

1572
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: with us to get stuff for Christmas. People were coming

1573
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 1: up and asking They're like, thank y'all for what you're doing.

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01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: We support you. So we have had a lot of

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01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 1: support and locally people giving clothing donations, that's where that's

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01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: come from. But a lot of our support has been

1577
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 1: from our other unions and other workers really across the country.

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01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: It hasn't just been a localized, isolated thank you for

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01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 1: us well, Hayden, thank you again. We'll support you in

1580
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 1: whatever way that we can, and please keep us updated

1581
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 1: with everything that's going on. We're with you. Thank you, Hayden.

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01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. As you can say,

1583
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 1: that's the most important thing that's on our mind right now.

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01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,719
Speaker 1: We're supporting them. We're giving them twenty five thousand dollars.

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01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 1: If you guys can support them in any way that

1586
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: you possibly can, we're gonna have a link down there

1587
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 1: in the description. You can see what they're up against.

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01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: They're not asking for a lot, they're asking for what

1589
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 1: they were owed in twenty sixteen. Just think about that.

1590
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 1: In the holiday season, and you know, if you can

1591
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 1: support us so we can support them and bring you news,

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01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: we welcome that as well, linked in the description we

1593
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 1: love you all. Happy holidays. Hayden is amazing went away

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01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 1: by that. Thank you, guys, We appreciate you so much.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you again soon