1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: And welcome to Thursday's a Big Blue Kickoff Live here 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: on Giants dot com. He's pauled the teen on Lance Metal. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Good to be with you. Happy two thousand nineteen for 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: the audience that we have not had an opportunity to 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: interact with Paul, Happy New Year to you. To be 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: aboard absolutely a new year. It is the start of 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: the Giants offseason. That doesn't mean we don't have plenty 8 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: to unravel and plenty to tackle over these next sixty minutes. 9 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: To zero one five one three. 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That's where 20 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: I want to begin. I know, obviously the e line 21 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: Manning conversation. We're gonna get to Paul, but there were 22 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: a number of other things that Dave Gentleman covered in 23 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: his press conference that I think are notable and want 24 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: to at least start there. If you look back at 25 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: the two thousand eighteen season and one of the things 26 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: that he brought up, and I went back just for 27 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: the means of comparison, the Giants. Interestingly, Paul scored the 28 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: most points amongst all NFC East teams this year, three 29 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: hundred sixty nine points. At the same time, they also 30 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: allowed the most points in the NFC East four hundred twelve. 31 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody is necessarily surprised with that, and 32 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: that's a big reason why the Giants went five and 33 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: eleven and they finished by the way, one in five 34 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: in the division. You then go back to the last 35 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: time that happened Paul was two thousand fifteen. Coincidentally, another 36 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: year by the way, that they played an awful amount 37 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: of close games that came down to the wire. They 38 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: scored four hundred twenty points on offense that season and 39 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: they allowed four hundred forty two. And the common theme 40 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: is they went six and ten and they went two 41 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: and four in the division, so I think we're starting 42 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: to see and this is stating the obvious if you 43 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: look across the NFL landscape, but balance is the key. 44 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: You can't expect your offense to make up for your 45 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: defensive shortcomings and vice versa. You gotta have some middle 46 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: ground and that was one of the things that Dave 47 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: Gentleman said. It goes without saying one of their biggest 48 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: priorities is they are going to shore up this defense. 49 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: They're gonna attempt to do it, and they're gonna attempt 50 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: to bring in some more consistent playmakers based on what 51 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: they did this season where they essentially revamp the roster already. 52 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: There were only two concrete directions that Gentleman revealed in 53 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: his press or to the media in his State of 54 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: the Giants deal. One was that he needs more playmakers 55 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: on defense, which I think we all agree with, and 56 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: he did say that is the top priority. Okay, so 57 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: let's let's get that clear too. He is definitely, I 58 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: don't want to use the word satisfied, but definitely much 59 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: more pleased with the offense after watching what they did 60 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: over the final eight weeks of the season, where they 61 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: have ridged Wad almost thirty points a game. So he 62 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: gets the fact that the priority has to be defense. 63 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: So that should give you an indication first of all, 64 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: of where he's leaning on all of his decisions. He said, 65 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: we need more playmakers on defense. Second thing he was 66 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: very clear about is that you always have to look 67 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: to upgrade the lines, the trenches, the defensive and offensive lines. 68 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: You never stop looking to upgrade those spots because that's 69 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: where the football game is built. And again it's old school. 70 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: I agree with it a hundred and fifty and I'm 71 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: glad to hear him say it. And he also the 72 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: reason why he brought that up, because to your point, Paul, yes, 73 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: the offensive production went up in the second half of 74 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: the season, part of the reason being that the offensive 75 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: line was tweaked, was changed. And on a side note, 76 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: one of the things that I wanted to bring up, 77 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: not to get completely off topic, but you know a 78 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: lot of people they look back at the two thousand 79 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: eighteen season, Paul, and they say, well, should those offensive 80 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: line changes been made earlier in the season. Number One, 81 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: they lost Halapio in Week two of the season, so 82 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: that already force changes to be made, and that wasn't 83 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: necessarily a good change because he was arguably one of 84 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: the best offensive lineman at the time he got hurt. 85 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: The other important factor to note is the Giants couldn't 86 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: could move with Jaman Brown Paul until Jamon Brown actually 87 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: became a free agent. So I chuckle and from the 88 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: MS NO, the last time I checked, they couldn't know. 89 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: And I know we're laughing about it, but I've heard 90 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: some fans and I'm not accusing. Everybody was saying this, Well, 91 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: you know, they should have brought in a guy like 92 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: Jamon Brown on the seas. Jamal Brown was on the Rams. 93 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: He didn't become available until the bye week, so how 94 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: could they have made that change? And Eric Flowers, by 95 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: the way, was pulled out of the starting lineup Paul 96 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: against the Texans in Week three. So what you're saying 97 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: is week one or week two you wanted to see 98 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: more changes. I think it's important to go over the 99 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: facts to just look at changes were made relatively early 100 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: in the season. Made five changes its opening day. How 101 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: many more did you want to do? So there you go. 102 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: I didn't want me to get off topic. I just 103 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,119 Speaker 1: wanted to gain some clarity with respect of that, because 104 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: even in the wake of this season, that's been a 105 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: big part of the narrative. But getting back to your 106 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: point about he said, just because you feel you have 107 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: some stability on the offensive doesn't mean you're content and 108 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: you're not gonna still target other players. And look at 109 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: what the Jaguars had to go through, Paul, the Washington 110 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: Redskins in the Division, the Dallas Cowboys to a certain degree, 111 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: you cannot get away in the NFL with saying we 112 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: feel really good about our starting five offensive lineman and 113 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: we're set. Because what happens, you're going to lose, whether 114 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: it be for the season, whether it be for three games, 115 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna lose some of your staughters. So what Dave 116 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: Gettleman saying, Okay, now we may have figured out our 117 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: starting group to a certain degree, that doesn't mean that 118 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: the depth chart now shouldn't be a priority. So that 119 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: we can mix and match and in the event we 120 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: lose one of our starters, we can at least plug 121 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: in somebody that we don't think there's gonna be a 122 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: significant drop off. Well, I also hope, quite frankly, that 123 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: he does mean that he'd like to upgrade the snun 124 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: I get that too. I get that. I like Chad 125 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: Wheeler as a backup. I think he fights hard. He's 126 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: a good kid, a good locker room guy. He scraps, 127 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: gives you everything he's got. But against a lot of 128 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: these high level defensive ends, he does get overmatched. That's 129 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: not an insult to him. Okay, I think absolutely he 130 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: belongs in the competition as one of the nine offensive 131 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: linemen that they'll probably take it the opening day next year. 132 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: That's fine, But you need to have a more dominant 133 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: right tackle who is going to be a bruiser in 134 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: the run game. You need a Kareem McKenzie is what 135 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: you need. Okay, that's what you need. A guy who 136 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: is gonna be ferocious in in plastering people on the 137 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: edge for say Kwan Barkley, and also a guy who's 138 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: going to make sure that guys coming off the edge 139 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: are not going to get to Eli. So you need 140 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: a dominant right tackle, which means either you're gonna pay 141 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: a lot of money to get what in free agency. 142 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: Excuse me, I'm sorry you get very emotional over these subjects. 143 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily stunned by these or or you draft 144 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: one in the first or second round in April. That's 145 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: how you go and get that position short up. But 146 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: that I'm with you enhance the depths as much as 147 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: you can well, because my point is the sixth and 148 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: the seventh offensive lineman, I guess is what I'm saying 149 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: is just as important as the starting five. And I 150 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: think it's not just the Giants that we've learned that from. 151 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm looking at what transpired across the league pall this year, 152 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: and a lot of teams the turning points in their 153 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: seasons were when they lost one or two starters on 154 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: the offensive line, and then they maybe even lose a 155 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,559 Speaker 1: guy who's a swing guy, and now you're pulling guys 156 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: off the street just to get a respectable offensive line 157 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: out there. And it's very hard to sustain good offensive 158 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: line play and win consistently under those circumstances. I think 159 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: the Redskins are the perfect example right within the division, 160 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: and look at all the guys they lost. They lost 161 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: both starting guards for the season, and both of their 162 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: tackles missed a good portion of time. Trent Williams missed 163 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: a few games, and it's very hard to stay in 164 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: the playoff hunt when you put through those circumstances. So 165 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: you need good backups, you need reliable depth, and let's 166 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: not forget football on all One says if you build 167 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: from the trenches, you build from the inside out. If 168 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: you do that, you not only have the highest percentage 169 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: of chance for success this year, but for the ensuing 170 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: next several years. If you are strong at the line 171 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: of scrimmage, you will always give yourself a chance to 172 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: be competitive. And that's why I continue to tell people 173 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: it is the lazy way out to say, get a 174 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: running quarterback. Go get a quarterback with legs. You see, 175 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: that's like putting a band aid on the hoover damn 176 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: when it springs a leak. Because maybe you'll get lucky 177 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: for a very short period of time in the interim, 178 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: like the Ravens have with Lamar Jackson. You might get 179 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: that little short stretch of time where things are going well. 180 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: But sooner or later, if you don't have the trends 181 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: is secured, things will fall apart. If not up front 182 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: and with your running game, which then puts more pressure 183 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: on your quarterback. That running quarterback at some point in time, 184 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: as every running quarterback in this league dog, he gets 185 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: hurt Russell Wilson's probably the only guy who hasn't missed 186 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: the game of the running quarterbacks who have been in 187 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: this league for any extended period of time. And that's 188 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: a miracle because he had an mc L in the 189 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: high ankle sprained a couple of years ago I think 190 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: was three, and he played through and played through it somehow. 191 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: I still don't know how. Okay, But think about it, 192 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: even going back years ago, you're Jim Sorns, your your 193 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: Randall cunning Hands, You're Michael Vicks your r G three's. 194 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: It's not just about this generation of those running quarterbacks. 195 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: Running quarterbacks will always be rolling the dice, and sooner 196 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: or later they're gonna wind up hurt on the bench 197 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: or on I R and then they're not doing your 198 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: team any good at all. And another example would be 199 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the playoff teams Paul Mitchell Trubisky, 200 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: who coincidentally missed the game against the Giants this season. 201 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: He suffered a shoulder injury this year, and he actually 202 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 1: led all quarterbacks in rushing yards this season. Now, I 203 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: wouldn't say that he's necessarily just a mobile quarterback. There's 204 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: a lot of other things he brings to the table. 205 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: But when you expose yourself to those extra hits, they're 206 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: gonna pile up. They're gonna come back to bite you. Now, 207 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: speaking of the quarterback position, that might as well transition us, 208 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: transition us into the quarterback position for the New York Giants. 209 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: And Dave Getleman did mention that he had a meeting 210 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: with Eli Manning on Monday. He said that Eli came 211 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: to him and wanted to discuss things, and Dave Getleman 212 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: didn't give any definitive answer in terms of what's going 213 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: to happen with the quarterback position overall in two thousand nineteen. 214 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: Pat Shermer, though, has been extremely supportive of Eli Manning 215 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: on the record, and a lot of people are reading 216 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: into all of that was said and all of what 217 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: was not said Paul during the course of Wednesday's press conference. 218 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know necessarily if anybody should be in 219 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: a position to play psychoanalysis with the words of Dave Gettleman, 220 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: because we still have a number of weeks before perhaps 221 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: the Giants get into the free agency period, and I 222 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: think at this point they're exploring their options. But I 223 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: think it's important to say that not only perhaps are 224 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: the Giants exploring their options, but there's two sides of 225 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: all of this. There's what Eli Manning wants to do 226 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: in the short term in the long term, and there's 227 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: what the Giants want to do in the short term 228 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: in the long term. And I think anybody who wants 229 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: to have a well versed conversation on this subject needs 230 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: to understand you can't just look at it through the 231 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: giants lens. You also need to look at it through 232 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: Eli Mannings lens as well. I don't think there's any 233 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: question that both the Giants and Eli Manning want him 234 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: to be the starter in September of two thousand nineteen. 235 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: Now how they get there, whether it involves a restructuring 236 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: of a deal and extension of a deal, uh potentially 237 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: um some type of of agreement where you know, the 238 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: numbers have to be earned instead of given in a base. 239 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: There are a lot of mechanisms they can use to 240 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: make that happen. But I do believe both sides are 241 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: on the same page and want that to happen, and 242 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: I suspect they will find a way to make it happen. 243 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: That's why I've been saying, Oh, Manning's gonna be the 244 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: starter September two thousand nineteen. I'm still not backing off 245 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: of that. I think the narrative that many of the 246 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: comic books printed today, and it's a shame that they 247 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: felt they had to do that. Um is that Dave 248 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: Gettleman watched every snap of this season. He was at 249 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: most of the practices when he could be when his 250 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: health allowed. He has a very good idea about what 251 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: he's going to do with every member of this roster. 252 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: But to be fair, and this is the part that 253 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people left out when they 254 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: got in front of their computers to write stories. To 255 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: be fair, he said, I haven't made any decisions on 256 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: anybody because I still have to talk to my position 257 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: coaches and my head coach is to get their evaluations, 258 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: which will come by the end of the week. And 259 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: then he's still got to go through his tape study, 260 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: which he said was going to start this past Wednesday. 261 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: Today's Thursday, so yesterday he started this tape study. He 262 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: is a very methodical guy. He says he hates to 263 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: be wrong, so he does everything in a very systematic fashion. 264 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: He's adamant about it, and he will not deviate from it. 265 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: So he opened his presser yesterday by telling everybody, I'm 266 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: not gonna tell you about the status of anybody on 267 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: the roster or the status of anybody's contract, because there's 268 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: nothing to say about it. So for those folks in 269 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: the comic book world who want to read in to 270 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: what he did not say about Eli Manning, they weren't 271 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,599 Speaker 1: listening to the opening portion of his press conference. He 272 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: was not, under any circumstances going to address the status 273 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: of any member of this football team, although current roster. 274 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: He was not going to do it. That does not 275 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: mean that there's any doubt that the guy is gonna 276 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: be coming back. It simply means that Dave is going 277 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: through the process. It would have been unfair to his coaches. Okay, 278 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: it would have been unfair to all of the players 279 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: in his locker room for him to single out one 280 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: guy and say player X, I've decided what's gonna happen 281 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: to him, Yeah he's coming back, or no, we don't 282 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: want him. That would have been so unfair to everybody involved. 283 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: Because he made it clear that he's gonna treat every 284 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: player equally, so they all have to go through the 285 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: process now. He also said, because he had seen everything 286 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: during the season, he has a good idea of what 287 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: he saw, but he wants to look at the films 288 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: and look at the coaches evaluations so that he can 289 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: double check things and make sure that he recalls everything correctly. 290 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: What's wrong with that? I don't understand why people suddenly 291 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: have to come up with comic book scenarios for whatever 292 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: dream fantasy they have and make a bigger mountain out 293 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: of this thing than what it is. The guy is 294 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: simply going through the process, and he's holding true to 295 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: his word because he has integrity and he wants to 296 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: make sure that he us not slight anybody. So my 297 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: feelings have never changed. Never wavered Ellis starts for this 298 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: team in September of two thousand nineteen. I'm not sure 299 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: the mechanisms under which they will used to get there, 300 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: but I'm still totally on board with that and don't 301 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: think there is any cause right now to be concerned about. Well, 302 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: related to your point about Dave Gettleman not really addressing 303 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: any specific players status or his contract early in the 304 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: press comes, I'm gonna read you a short quote just 305 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: to at least further put things in perspective, Paul. He 306 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: was asked the following question, you inherited two big contracts 307 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: with Olivier Vernon and Genoros Jenkins. How would you evaluate 308 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: those two the way they played this year in moving forward? 309 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: And his response was really in line to how he 310 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: responded to all the Eli Manning questions. Quote, I haven't 311 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: this is what I'm going to do the next two weeks. 312 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: My personal feeling is the biggest mistakes are made when 313 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: you were emotional. When the season ends, you're emotional, You're 314 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: mentally cooked. So until I start watching the film, which 315 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: is going to start today, I really can't answer that question. 316 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: It's not fair end quote. Now. The reason I read that, Paul, 317 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: is because if you were to play the mind games 318 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: that a lot of people are doing, and you were 319 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: to say, well, wait a minute. Dave Gentleman was asked 320 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: earlier in the press conference about the status of Olivier 321 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: Vernon and Genor's Jenkins, who, like Eli Manning or both 322 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: under contract right for two thousand nineteen. So if he 323 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: came out and said Olivier Vernon, Genor's Jenkins, I've seen 324 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: everything over the course of the season. I like what 325 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: I see they're both definitely going to be on the roster, 326 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: and then Eli Manning gets a completely different answer. Then 327 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: you could say, okay, wait, something's not adding up right, 328 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: there's inconsistency across the board. That was not the case. 329 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: He basically treated every question about players status the same way. 330 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: And here's the other thing that's important to which is admirable. Well, 331 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole point is you want to direct 332 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: consistent message. You're the face of the franchise when you 333 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: speak on behalf of the franchise to the media. The 334 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: other thing that's important to note is in the NFL, 335 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: and this is not about the Giants, This is in 336 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: generic standpoint Paul fluidity. Fluidity is a key term that 337 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: comes to mind when you talk about NFL rosters. Sometimes 338 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: you talk to the media or you look at your 339 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: roster in January and then you have a completely different 340 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: mindset in March. So that's another reason why I think 341 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: executives players don't want to put themselves and precarious spots 342 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: where then you go back to their words from a 343 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: few months ago and you're like, wait a minute, you 344 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: said this in January, look at what happened in March. 345 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: Case in point. Case in point. The Eagles another perfect 346 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: example in the division. A few years ago, they drafted 347 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. Right, they moved up to draft Carson Wentz. 348 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: But what did they do, Paul Before they moved up 349 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: to draft Carson Wentz? They gave Sam Bradford a new deal, right, Okay, 350 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: so they solidified that Sam Bradford is their guy. It 351 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: appears he's the veteran quarterback he's gonna go in. On 352 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: top of that, this was the first year that Doug 353 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: Peterson took over his head coach, and this was a 354 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: few years ago. Then they signed Chase Daniel as Sam 355 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: Bradford's backup. All this was done before Carson Wentz was drafted. 356 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: That's why I'm emphasizing this now. Chase Daniel has given 357 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: good money. He had familiarity with Doug Peterson. They were 358 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: together with Kansas City. They wanted a veteran quarterback like 359 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: Pat Shermer says, Alex Tanny can come in with the 360 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: least amount of reps. He could take over the same 361 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: type of rationale. Okay, So they signed both of those quarterbacks, 362 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: Bradford Daniel. If you're an Eagles fan, you're going into 363 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: the season thinking, all right, we're set, we know what 364 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,479 Speaker 1: our quarterback depth chart looks like. Then all of a sudden, 365 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: they move up in the draft and they take Carson Wentz. Okay, 366 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: the story is not done yet, Paul. They go into 367 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: training camp, Bradford still in line to be the starter. 368 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater gets hurt. Now somebody's picking up the phone. 369 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: Rick Spielman, GM of the Vikings. He calls up the 370 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: Eagles and says, do you have any interest shopping some 371 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: of your quarterbacks? And they like what they were offered. 372 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: They shipped Sam Bradford to Minnesota, and all of a 373 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: sudden it went from Sam Bradford given a contract extension 374 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: to being solidified as the starter to now all of 375 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: a sudden, dressing up for a completely new team. And 376 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: the season hadn't even started by then. So I'm bringing 377 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: that up not to say that Eli Manning is gonna 378 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: be traded in this and that is gonna happen. And 379 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: the whole point is to assume that on January second, 380 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: which was the date of Dave Getleman's press conference, that 381 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: the Giants know exactly how the offseason going to play out. 382 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: I think is a naive perspective, knowing how so much 383 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: of the unknown is gonna unwind and unravel in the 384 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: next few months. I think that's certainly fair, and I 385 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: do think that the other thing you have to keep 386 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: in mind is that Dave Getleman and Pat Shermer, as 387 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: far as we can tell, and we're inside the building 388 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: every day, are operating in unison every step of the way. 389 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: And so aside from the fact that Dave Gentleman said 390 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: Eli Manning can make all of the NFL throws and 391 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: also said the kid was running for his life last year, 392 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: we kind of fixed that offensive line some and his 393 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: numbers willing too shabby, so he did throw compliments Elies. 394 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: But aside from that, we know that Getleman and Sherman 395 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: around the same page. Pat Shermer has done nothing but 396 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: praise Eli Manning all season. In fact, the other day 397 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,719 Speaker 1: said he believed Eli could play a couple of more 398 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: years at least, and also said I believe on w 399 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: f AN with Mike Francessa yesterday, we believe in Eli Manning. 400 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: So we know that Gentleman and Schumer are on the 401 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: same page, and coach Pat Shermer has basically told you 402 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: everything you need to know about Eli manning status with 403 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: this organization or where they intend his status to be. 404 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that the the comic book 405 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: world has any room here to come up with fantasy storylines. 406 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: But yet they have found a way to do it. 407 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: So then who do we label the people that actually 408 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: made Spider Man and all the actual comic books. We're 409 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: gonna have to find a new label for that, Paul, 410 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: because you're renaming the comic book world. We're doing an 411 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: injustice to the ones who actually are invested in the 412 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: comic Bool Stanley recently he did unfortunately, Yes, and so 413 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: now there is room for these other folks to inherit. Boy, 414 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: did I open the door for you on that way? 415 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: See that was a nice way to squeeze out of 416 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: this subject. Boy, that was crafty on your part. Paul 417 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: Say two does a nineteen going very smoothly to the 418 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: discussion here. We want to remind you Big Blue Kickoff 419 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: Live presented by Corps Light download the Coors Live Awards 420 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: have to win Amazing Giants prizes. All right, let's open 421 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: up the phone lines two zero, one, four five one 422 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: three hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. Marco is in Connecticut. 423 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: He gets us going on Thursday's edition A Big Blue 424 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: Kickoff Live. Marco, Welcome to the program. What do you 425 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: got for us? Hey Lanson, Paul, how are you doing 426 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: very well? Marco? What's happening? Happy New Year? I got 427 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: a few hard hitters here, I think from the press 428 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: conference yesterday that really sat with me. I wanted to 429 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: talk to you guys about it, and I think we 430 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: might be interpreting things a little bit differently, but UM, 431 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: you know, I just want to have a respectful take 432 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: on on gentleman's press conference yesterday. UM, here's a couple 433 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: of things that I take from them that I really 434 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: really like. Going back to last year, and I still 435 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: feel this way. I think he wanted to set out 436 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: to build a much tougher team in the lines. I mean, 437 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: that's his pedigree and I think he will continue to 438 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: do that, which I like. Um, he keeps mentioning he 439 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: wants to bring in players who he could lose, and 440 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: I think that's the characteristic that he's going to continue 441 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: to look for. Um, which I'm all, I'm all good 442 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: with it. And Paul, you mentioned Karee Mackenzie. I think 443 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: those are the type of players he's gonna keep bringing in. 444 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: He Um, he brought up the three offensive linemen back 445 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: in two thousand. Um yeah, yeah, yeah, and so so 446 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: I think there's a certain characteristic that if you're trying 447 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: to think of what type of the type of free 448 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: agents that he's looking at or even draft picks, that 449 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: that's what you can look at. Um. I Also what 450 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: I really like about it is it could be frustrating 451 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: to oka. He plays off a lot of what the 452 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,239 Speaker 1: crowd's doing. He's got it, you know. There there's um 453 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: he's he'sn't. He could be a little odd sometimes, but 454 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: I thought he was super sharp. Um. A reporter asked 455 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: him about something that Archie Manning said, which, by the way, 456 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: the reporter pulled something from Archie because I read the 457 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: whole report Archie Manning did. Archie Manning didn't even say 458 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: it like he just said the and Eli actually Eli 459 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: actually backed it up on the radio last night, saying, like, 460 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: of course the losing has an impact on him. That's 461 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 1: all Archie said. But where I like what I liked 462 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: about gettleman is super sharp. Reply to say, I'm not 463 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: going to address it because Archie never said it to me. 464 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: I love that. Um. But here's here's what I get 465 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: a little frustrated from because J Jerry Reese take them 466 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: or leave them whatever. I don't care. At least he 467 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: came on. Uh he spoke to the media a few 468 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: different times. I don't care when Gettleman does. He did yesterday, 469 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: which is great with me. You Dave Gentleman, you pick, 470 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: you do turn over a large portion of this roster. 471 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: At least come on and give a give a give 472 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: a quick hitter. And even if you just want to 473 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: address the guys that you brought in specifically, I would 474 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: have liked to hear maybe what you thought of Meat Solder. 475 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: And it wasn't even it wasn't asked. I know Eli 476 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: is a sensitive topic. I know Odell is a sensitive topic. 477 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: Although although he no one asked any more questions about 478 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: Odell because Dave was a little more definitive in Odell. 479 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: Why would we why would we trade him when we 480 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: just signed them? Well, there's nothing else to ask, there's 481 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: no more question. So I don't I don't appreciate that 482 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: from a fans point view, I don't appreciate the general 483 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: manager not just coming out any and he lays out 484 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: these guylights. Fine, you don't want to talk about contracts, 485 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: that's great because you said that last year. But the coach, 486 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: the head coach has talked to the media every single 487 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: day since Game one. At least come on, you've had 488 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: two or three days. At least come on and tell 489 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: me a little something about the players instead of saying, 490 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: I gotta go back and look at the film, unless 491 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: unless you're gonna come back next week and talk to 492 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: the media again, which so so basically, guys, what I'm 493 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: saying is there's some there's some strategy behind that too well, 494 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: in terms of the timetable. To your point, Dave Gettleman 495 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: feels as if the head coach should be the voice 496 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: of the team throughout the season. And there's a lot 497 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: of gms in fairness, Marco who operate like that, where 498 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: they don't feel as if it's necessary for them to 499 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: address the media or the fans throughout the course of 500 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: the season. So he subscribes to that philosophy, and he's 501 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: basically following the same exact thing that he did Paul 502 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: in Carolina. He's not changing anything. You know, It's not 503 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: as if they handled it like that in Carolina and 504 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: he's doing it differently in terms of your comparison to 505 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: what Jerry Rees did and and you're right, Jerry Rea's 506 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: usually gave him midseason report during the bye week, so 507 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: I understand your reference. But Gettleman didn't do that in Carolina. 508 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: So he's following what he has done since he's been 509 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: a general manager. As far as addressing the fans again 510 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: and maybe having more to say on the players. Normally, 511 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: he will speak to the media a little bit at 512 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: the senior ball, so we probably will hear from him. 513 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's gonna be a formal press conference, 514 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: but there will be some interaction with Dave Gettleman in 515 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: the media before this month end, so you probably will 516 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to get some of those sers. But 517 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: I think as far as Eli goes in the difference 518 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: between Odell Beckham and Eli Manning, it's a little bit different, 519 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: and it goes back to a Paul and I were 520 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: discussing at length earlier Marco, which is we don't know 521 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: what Eli Manning said to Dave Gettleman. You understand, you 522 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,239 Speaker 1: You've got to look at it is that he may 523 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: have given things to Dave Gettleman that now Dave Gettleman 524 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: has to think about, and Dave Gettleman may have said 525 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: things to Eli that ELI has to think about, And 526 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: why come out on the record and say exactly, definitively, 527 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 1: this is what's gonna happen in September two, nineteen if 528 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: there's so many fluid situations, because then you start putting 529 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: yourself in a precarious spot, And why should any executive 530 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: do that where you say things on the record things 531 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: completely changed a few weeks later, and then your question 532 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: will why do you even say that at the press conference? 533 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:45,479 Speaker 1: So I think you got to look at it through 534 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: that lest understand that that Dave also said he's going 535 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: to talk to the coaches by the end of the week, 536 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: and he's already into his film study now as of yesterday. 537 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: It's not right for him to come in on any 538 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: player until he's done with the process. So I think 539 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: I think that particular item of your criticism is unwarranted 540 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 1: and unfounded because it's not his choice. It's the media 541 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: that that comes here here with Flames saying we need 542 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: to talk to the GM. They're demanding, they need their clickbait. 543 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: They gotta have the GMS press conference right after the season. 544 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I don't think there's value and 545 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: having Dave Gettleman sit down yesterday to have that that pressor. 546 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: I think there's more value in saying, okay, coach had 547 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: his season, Andy Pressor. Let the GM do his evaluation 548 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: and we'll talk to him the week of the Senior 549 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: Bowl when he is fully equipped and has already gotten 550 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: concert with his staff as to what he wants to do. 551 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: So I think you're a thousand percent correct that there 552 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: was not a ton of value in having the GM 553 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: speak yesterday. I agree with you. Here's here's here's one 554 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: thing about that, and then I'll jump off the line. 555 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: But a lot of the things that you heard about 556 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: Gettleman from Carolina where that the players didn't like him 557 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: because he was so black and white, which I appreciate. 558 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: So when it comes when it comes to what the 559 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: media is saying about things, that's where that's what I 560 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: don't like. It's almost like I'm I'm I'm mad at 561 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: the GM because I wish he could have been a 562 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: little more black and white, which leaves little room for interpretation. 563 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: Going back to last year, there was so much talk 564 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: about if Odel is going to get traded because there 565 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: was room for interpretation on what was said at the 566 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, and we're listening to the trades or we're 567 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: not listening to trade. So people ran with it now 568 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: now and I do believe though I do believe he 569 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: has a serious plan. He is very black and white, 570 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: and I believe when he spoke with Eli, or when 571 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: Eli spoke with him, he laid out this is my 572 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: this is what I think. Just after listening to you 573 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: I last night. I'm a fan. I think Gentleman was 574 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: black and white. And they have no reason not to 575 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: praise this guy. Shermer and Gentleman, damn no reason. But 576 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: for me, Paul and Lance, the prey is does it 577 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: mean he's necessarily coming back or he's a starting quarterback? 578 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: The praise is the praise. He's he played well. We 579 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: love Eli, consummate professional, all of that. He deserves it. 580 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: But I think the ball is absolutely in Elie's corp 581 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: because I think the Giants and Dave Yellleman know what 582 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: they want to do and they laying it out to Eli, 583 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: and now he is left to go back and figure out. Well, 584 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: now that I know the plan, what does that mean? 585 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: For me. And and the reason I'm saying that is 586 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: because he said on the fan, um, I don't want 587 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: to put words in his mouth, but it was something like, yeah, 588 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: there there would be a few instances or situations that 589 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: I would have to we would have to see what 590 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: what what I would be able to work with two. 591 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: So you can you can interpret that forever you want. 592 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: But that tells me, yeah, Eli, you're coming back. But 593 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: guess what. We're gonna stockpile that quarterback position, whether it's 594 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: a free agency or the draft. And if we get 595 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: off to a rough start, hey, we we have decisions 596 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: we have to make to it. We're letting that water 597 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: went through that same scenario, uh putting putting the Eli 598 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: things aside for a second. Back to the earlier part 599 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: of your point, and let's make something very clear. Your 600 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: criticism of Gettleman for being uh so tight lipt is 601 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: actually unwarranted. The criticism should go to the newspaper folks 602 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: who decide they have to write comic book stories and 603 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: speculate about a bunch of junk because they want attention. 604 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: That's really where the problem is, you see, because it 605 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: doesn't do them any good to come out and write that, uh, 606 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: Eli is still gonna be the quarterback in September two. 607 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: That won't get the crawl on ESPN, that won't get 608 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: the clicks, that won't get all the Twitter verse going 609 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: in a hot and heavy that's not gonna do it 610 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: for them, you see. And and because they crave volatility, 611 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: they're gonna take every chance that they get to create 612 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: a comic book scenario that's gonna stir the pot as 613 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: much as possible. That's where the responsibility lies. If you 614 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: want to be critical, don't be critical of Dave Gettleman, 615 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: who has given you short of the truth, because that's 616 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: all he has to give you right now. Be critical 617 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: of the folks who write the comic books, and Marco 618 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: will let you go on that point. Appreciate the phone call. 619 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: Two things I wanted to piggyback of of what Marco 620 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: had to say. Number One, I don't disagree with his 621 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: interpretation of what he thinks went on in the conversation 622 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: between Eli Manning and Dave Guttleman, because, as I said, 623 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: there may have been things Eli said to Dave and 624 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: Dave said to Eli. We don't know, we're not privy 625 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: to that information. So it's understandable that they left it 626 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: as all right, let's take the next few weeks to 627 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: think things over, digest what was discussed, and pretty much 628 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: that's exactly what our last caller did. The other thing 629 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: that I wanted to react to his terminology saying that, 630 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, Dave Gettleman tends to be black and white 631 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: with players, and it doesn't necessarily always appear that way 632 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: with the media or the fans through the media. Now, 633 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: I don't think this is my own personal opinion. Let 634 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: me make that very clear. I don't think Paul, that 635 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: any front office executive is under an obligation that they 636 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: have to give the media and the fans is an 637 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: extension of that play by play of every detail of 638 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: every conversation that occurs behind closed doors. Does that well. 639 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: So So it's one thing to say Dave Gettleman has 640 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: a reputation based on what he did in Caroline of 641 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: sitting down players and telling them how it is and 642 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: basically not dolling it up. But that doesn't mean that 643 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: he has to give the media and the fan base 644 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: the same treatment. It's like any other corporation. Now, you 645 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: can argue, well, other corporations who have stock owners. They're 646 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: under an obligation to be more transparent because those individuals 647 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: are invested in that specific company. It's not necessarily the 648 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: equivalency of how the giants are operating end any other 649 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: private organization, with the exception of the Green Bay Packers 650 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: who have various stock owners. But not every team is 651 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: operated like that, Paul, So if other businesses don't operate 652 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: like that, I don't understand why a general manager of 653 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: a team should be held two completely different standards when 654 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: talking about behind the door in the closet type of issues. 655 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: We get back to the callers. Uh Marco was asking 656 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: about what I would love to have known what Gettleman 657 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: said about Nate Soldier or what he thought about Nate Solder. Well, again, nobody, 658 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: nobody in that room is going to ask about Nate 659 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: Solder because comments about Nate Solder. First of all, Gettleman 660 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: is not going to talk about it because he's one 661 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: of the guys on the roster and he's not giving 662 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: out evaluations on players who he has not gone through 663 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: with the process or with the process with. So that's first. 664 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: But second, honestly, do you really believe that there are 665 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: folks who want to write about Nate Solder. No, no, No, 666 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: nobody in that in that press conference is sitting there saying, 667 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: I can't wait, I'm celebrating to write about Nate Soldier 668 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: because that's the kind of clickbait that's gonna get me headlines. No. No, 669 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: they all go into that room knowing full well that 670 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: they got to come out of there with whatever juice 671 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: they can get out of the Orange. And the only 672 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: way they're gonna get juice out of the Orange is 673 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: to talk about the quarterback or Odell Beckham Jr. Nobody's 674 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: gonna get any juice out of anything they produce talking 675 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: about Nate Soldier. Well, that that's the reason why to 676 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: your point, four players were essentially brought up during that 677 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: entire half hour press conference. It was yes, Elion O'Dell 678 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: and then there was one question as I read about 679 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: Vernon and Jenkins because of the nature of their contracts. 680 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: I can't think of another question, Paul that was crafted 681 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 1: towards Dave Getleman. Did anybody ask him about even Landon Collins. 682 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: I don't think Lanta Collins was brought now that I 683 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: think about it. There was not one question about Landon 684 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: Collins and Landa Collins would have been a relevant question. 685 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: By the way, is their premier free agent? Yeah, so 686 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: now that doesn't mean that Dave Gentleman is gonna give 687 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: you a detailed answer. But now that I think about it, 688 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: I can't believe nobody asked about Landon Collins. Nobody asked 689 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: anything about the safety position overall, which probably is going 690 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: to get some changes with respect to performance of players, 691 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: both as starters and the depth chart. So I mean 692 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: that just is to show you what the point of 693 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: the press conference was. And now he's not under an 694 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: obligation to answer a question about a player really unless 695 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: that question has posed his way. So it really falls 696 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: on it. And I'm not here to play the blame 697 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: game with the media or refer to them as the 698 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: comic book entity of society. I'll leave Paul with that 699 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: for the labels. But what I will say is, if 700 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: the questions are not asked, he's not gonna sit and 701 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: give a forty minute dissertation before the press conference starts 702 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 1: and go over every single player. He's just not gonna 703 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: do that. I don't know if any general manager Paul 704 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: that is gonna sit there and go like, all right, 705 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: here's my thoughts on the left tackle. Here's my thoughts 706 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: on the right tackle. Here's my thoughts on everything in between. 707 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: I think I think what I'd like the fans to 708 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: understand is that get used to Dave Gettleman's style. He's 709 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: a man of integrity, he's a man of truth, and 710 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: he's a man who's also not going to show all 711 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: of his cards to everybody every single minute of the day. 712 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: And if you understand how this man operates, then you 713 00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: truly do understand why the writers are far straighted by that, 714 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,720 Speaker 1: and they will go off on their own fantasy world 715 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: with their own narratives because that's the only way they're 716 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: going to get the juicy clickbait that they so badly. 717 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: First four, let's head back to the phone lines two zero, one, five, 718 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: one three. He's pulled a teen onlines Metal tanks for 719 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: tuning into Thursday's edition A Big Lue kickoff Live. We've 720 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: got Chris and Alamuci. Chris, welcome to the program. What 721 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: you got for us? Hey, thanks Lanson, once Toge, Thanks 722 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: Paul once to get Happen year to you guys. Thanks 723 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: uh two points. You know, uh, I want to bring 724 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: this up. You know it's a broad stroke when you 725 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: talk about Eli being not a mobile quarterback, he is 726 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: a mobile quarterback. He rolls out and he does a 727 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: pretty good job this year rolling out. Is he elusive? No, 728 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: And that's what that's what he should be labeled at. 729 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 1: He's not an elusive quarterback and he's not a Russian quarterback. 730 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: But he is able to move. And we've seen it 731 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: multiple times when Sherman, when Sherman's game plan calls for it, 732 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 1: when he does roll out, and he actually throws pretty 733 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: well on the run. And I thought he did a 734 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: pretty good job compared the year's past rolling out at 735 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: as as a thirty seven year old this year um 736 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: than he then he had done in previous years. That's 737 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: my first point. That's fair. Yeah, you know, real real quick, Chris, 738 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: before you continue, I think you bring up a great point. 739 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: There should be a little bit more differential in the 740 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: language in the jargon when we refer to mobile quarterbacks, 741 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: it should be running quarterbacks. And running quarterbacks are guys 742 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: that tend to roll out of the pocket. There's designed 743 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,479 Speaker 1: run plays. They'll take the hits up the field because 744 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: you could be a mobile quarterback who works the pocket. 745 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: To your point, but you're not mobile when it comes 746 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: to developing plays on your own with your legs once 747 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: the pocket breaks down, correct. I mean that's like, you know, 748 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: they're basically labeling Eli as a statue, and he's not 749 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 1: a statue. You know. The fact is the media eats 750 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: it up every time when a defender is ready to 751 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: bear down on him and he and he goes to 752 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: the ground before the hit. Well, you know what, it's 753 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 1: kind of smart. Why is he gonna fight? Right, He's 754 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: gonna try to fight off two sixty pound defensive ends 755 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: his career, live for another day because you're more valuable 756 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: to your team if you can take another snap rather 757 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: than going to the injured reserve list. Exactly. I equated 758 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: to throwing the ball out of bounds, uh, you know, 759 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: and just look for another day rather than throwing an 760 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: We'll talk about a statue. Kurt Water was a statue 761 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: compared Kurt Warner to Eli Manning. And Eli looks like 762 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: a track star compared to Kurt Warner. Absolutely, and he 763 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: rejuvenated his career when he ended up with the Cardinals 764 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: and took him to approval because he had protection ahead. 765 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: My last point is, you know, um, the offensive line 766 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: is going to get fixed. And I'm a firm believer, 767 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: you know, whether it's Telipio at center and we are 768 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: going to probably get a right tackle. Um. You know, 769 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: the concern is, like Edlmen said, working on the defense 770 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: pass rush was the biggest issue, you know, in the 771 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: past month or so. But boy, I mean, I know 772 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: he took some hits in the secondary. But you know, 773 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: if we do keep Collins the that free safety position 774 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: has been an eyesore for a long time. We thought 775 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: Darien Thompson might have been the answer, and he was 776 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: and and you have to go back to the cup 777 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: of coffee of Will Hill when he was here. That 778 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: showed a lot of promise that obviously he ran into 779 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: some off the field issues, but we need that ball 780 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: hawk back there. So that way, you know, we have 781 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: a guy like Collins that can tackle rushed the pass 782 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: there and do what he does best is coming up 783 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: in the box. But I think free safety, Uh, it's 784 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: definitely gotta be a top priority this offer, Chris. Another 785 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: name is Stevie Brown. Remember that one season he had 786 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: where he was let the NFL in interceptions. He was 787 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: another guy that also flashed him. So yeah, that type 788 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: of a player, and we'll let you go on that. No, Chris, 789 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. I don't want I don't want 790 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: to let that call go without mentioning Spencer Pulley, who 791 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: I believe is going to be resigned here with the 792 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: Giants and was the center over the second half of 793 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: the season. He's not getting enough credit here. I really 794 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: thought that the combination of Jamal Brown and Spencer Pulley, 795 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: we're almost equally responsible for the improvement of the Giants 796 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: old line. Well, that goes back to what we were 797 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: talking about, Paul in terms of depth. Just because Hallapeo 798 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: come back, and even if he does reclaim his starting job, 799 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you don't need a backup center 800 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: slash guard who could slide in at a pinch because 801 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: of injury. I would agree with you. I mean, Pully 802 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: at least help stabilize the physician once he took over 803 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: as the Stauner. And it shouldn't surprise anybody he was 804 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: the starting center for the Chargers last year before they 805 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 1: decided to upgrade and they signed Mike Pouncy and free agency, 806 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: which you can't blame any team for looking for an 807 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,919 Speaker 1: upgrade just because you're getting solid play, doesn't mean there's 808 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,240 Speaker 1: not room for improvement. Let's head back to the lines. 809 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: Jimmy is in rose Hill. Jimmy, welcome to Big Blue 810 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: kig Off Live. What do you have for us? Hey, guys, 811 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: how are you happy? Happy? Jimmy? Thank you? Um again. 812 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: A topic of the day is the is the press 813 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: conference yesterday? I mean, first of all, I mean the 814 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 1: guy is the guy. He's fun to listen to, you 815 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: know those various year his terms are actually hysterically. I've 816 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: got former former colleague of mine used to cockter all 817 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,399 Speaker 1: the time whenever things started to go sideways, I gotta 818 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 1: kick out of that, or an altar concer to remember, 819 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: he's very fluid in terms of his jargon with the 820 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: Yiddish language. He thrown a few curveballs there. It wasn't 821 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: just for Cocta. Jimmy threw a few others out there. 822 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: If you followed. Yeah, oh absolutely, I mean I remember 823 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,280 Speaker 1: what I think it was. Actually during the draft, Sherman 824 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: was up there with him, and again Dave used, I 825 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,240 Speaker 1: don't know which one it was not, I'm not Jewish 826 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,879 Speaker 1: remember what it was. But even Sherman kind of looked 827 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 1: at him. Like, I have no idea what you're saying, 828 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, it was interesting. But two things that jumped 829 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: at me, and the second one is the ELI thing, 830 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: and I, frankly after what you I think you guys 831 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: have talked that one to death. Um you know, so 832 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: so I don't want to go there, but I do 833 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: want to go, uh to where I think, um Getleman 834 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: is going to go with this team. It's not the 835 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:54,800 Speaker 1: most exciting rebuild or a plan, but um, you know 836 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: someone asked him about the points that were given up 837 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: and his first comment was, you know, no, I'm not 838 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: surprised to hear that, and that's why you're five and eleven. 839 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: And I think it's you know, it's against that rocket science. 840 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: Free is not you know, any in depth you know 841 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: perception here. The defense, especially the lack of a fourth 842 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 1: quarter pass rush, I think was the difference in those 843 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: at so many games this year, and it's the difference 844 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: throughout the NFL if you watch it. And then when 845 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: you look at the draft this year. I know it's early, 846 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: but all the early indications are that it's really really 847 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: loaded up with quality defensive players. And I wouldn't I'm 848 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: i'd be when he talked about getting knocked over by 849 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: a feather. I'd be knocked over by a feather if 850 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: if Dave doesn't go for uh, you know, some help 851 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: on the defensive side, especially up front, particularly someone that 852 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: can uh, that can get after the quarterback. That's the 853 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,320 Speaker 1: first thing and the second thing Um previous quote is 854 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: alluded to it. That is the one part of the 855 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: the defense in general. The secondary to me was was 856 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 1: revolving door this year and frankly with um not knowing 857 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: what's going to go on with Collins and not knowing 858 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 1: what's going to go on with Jenkins. I mean, that's 859 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: that's like, that's a lot of physicians I think in 860 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: want to party defense that at this particular point I 861 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: think is very very fluid. Um, any any thoughts and 862 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: observations on where do you think day is going to 863 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,760 Speaker 1: go with the draft this year? Well, I think Colins, 864 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,919 Speaker 1: I think Collins comes back. I think b W. Webb 865 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: might come back as a reserve. I don't think he'll 866 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,760 Speaker 1: be a starter. I think they believe that Sam Beale 867 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: may be able to be a starter in his rookie season. 868 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: Remember he was drafted supplemental this year and was on 869 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,960 Speaker 1: I R I do think that they think he can 870 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 1: contend as a starting quarter the next season. Uh. I 871 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: also believe, quite frankly that Dave is probably going to 872 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: trade up until the third round. I think that he 873 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: wants his any top three round picks as he can 874 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: get his hands on. He's got nine picks already. It 875 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: is anticipated he's going to get a compensatory pick because 876 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,720 Speaker 1: of the pure mom a trade off, and that maybe 877 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: a fourth rounder all. I've heard a lot of people 878 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: say it'll probably be a four would not surprise me 879 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: if he tries to wheel and deal and get back 880 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 1: up into the third round, which is the pick he 881 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: had to spend to use on Sam Bill. And I 882 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 1: think in those first three rounds you will see him 883 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:34,880 Speaker 1: address the trenches and potentially the secondary. Um But you know, no, no, no, 884 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 1: And I would only say this, Dave understands football one 885 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: oh one better than a lot of other people do. 886 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,799 Speaker 1: He knows that the trenches have to be fortified. Now, 887 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,440 Speaker 1: you're right to be concerned about the secondary, but it's 888 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: a lot easier to get guys back there than it 889 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: is to fortify the trenches. That's why you need to 890 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,320 Speaker 1: spend premium picks on the guys up front, and quite frankly, 891 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: let me extend that on defense to your front seven, 892 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: because it can be a sensational outside linebacker who gets 893 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,359 Speaker 1: to the quarterback. It doesn't have to be a defensive end. 894 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: When when I say they've got to address the pass rush, 895 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying it's got to be an edge rusher. I 896 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 1: don't know if it's gonna be a defensive end or 897 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: a linebacker, but they got to get somebody who's going 898 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,239 Speaker 1: to scare the crap out of a quarterback. So so, 899 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: Paul Lance a question. So when when you're reading all 900 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 1: these various draft magazines and they've got some of these, 901 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: you know a lot of these kids listed as as edge, 902 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: you're saying that it's not necessarily a guy that's got 903 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: his hand in the dirt. Also, it could also be 904 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,319 Speaker 1: a kid who translates into a stand up outside linebacker. Well, 905 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,919 Speaker 1: think of it this way. When Parcel's had the three 906 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: four here, Lawrence Taylor was an outside linebacker, but he 907 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: played a lot of stand up defensive end. I mean, 908 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 1: would you take Lawrence Taylor if you could get him? Well, 909 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: and even Jimmy, look at a guy, look at a 910 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,440 Speaker 1: guy like Lorenzo Cutter, Lorenz O'Connor was one of those. 911 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 1: Dave has have a history of that, though I had 912 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: no ideas, I'm asking the question. Is he a guy 913 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: that moves around on Draft Day? Every year of Dave 914 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,279 Speaker 1: Gentleman's career when he's been a general manager, either here 915 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 1: with the Giants or with Carolina, he has made trades 916 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 1: involving draft choices, either to move up or down or 917 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 1: to acquire a draft choice. Uh. He has always been very, 918 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 1: very active in dealing draft choice capital. So he's gonna 919 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,319 Speaker 1: do something and I'm I'm saying my my big pick. 920 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 1: The other day, John asked me for my bold prediction 921 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: on the show last week when we were doing the 922 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,920 Speaker 1: pregame before the Dallas game. What is your bold prediction? 923 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: My bold prediction is that Dave Getleman moves up and 924 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: maybe acquires a second first round draft pick at the 925 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: bottom of that round, and if not that, I think 926 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,959 Speaker 1: he trades up into the third round and gets another 927 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,400 Speaker 1: pick up there. Well. And he also focused and Jimmy 928 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: appreciate the on call it, thanks so much for weighing in. 929 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: He also focused on defensive lineman in the early rounds 930 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 1: when he was at Carolina. I know he took Christian 931 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 1: McCaffrey right before he left, but he also took one 932 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 1: year back to back defensive lineman, so take that into 933 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,760 Speaker 1: consideration as well. He even addressed that at the press conference, 934 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 1: by the way on Wednesday and said a lot of 935 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: people thought he was crazy because they were like, well, 936 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: why are you focusing on one position? And he said, 937 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 1: it's because I believe depth is important. Playing the trenches 938 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: is important, and I also believe in taking the best 939 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: player available as opposed to just reaching and taking a 940 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 1: guy for the sake of taking a player. Well, especially 941 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: when you're at number six, you better take the best 942 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,839 Speaker 1: player available who's gonna make an immediate impact on your team. 943 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,839 Speaker 1: Once again, that's why if you take a QB, he's 944 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 1: sitting behind ELI in two thousand nineteen. He's not making 945 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 1: an immediate impact on your team. Well, it's about whether 946 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: or not you believe that player is going to come 947 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,920 Speaker 1: in day one and is going to make an immediate impact. 948 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,840 Speaker 1: That's always the question that I think has to circulate 949 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 1: when you're picking within the top ten, because you want 950 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 1: that player to come in, and I've said this time 951 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: and time again, you want that player to contribute, not 952 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 1: just two thousand nineteen. You wanted to be a rookie 953 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: contract player and then a player that positions himself to 954 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 1: earn a contract after that. That's part of the rational 955 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,880 Speaker 1: with say Kwan Barkley. You're not picking a guy to 956 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,799 Speaker 1: just come in and while you're for one year. You're 957 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,880 Speaker 1: picking him so that he could be a player you 958 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,360 Speaker 1: build your franchise around moving forward. As far as the 959 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: defense is concerned, I think our last call of Jimmy, 960 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,399 Speaker 1: you know, hit it right on the nose. In terms 961 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: of the pass rush, they finished with thirty sacks this year, 962 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 1: Paul tied for second, tied for thirty in the NFL, 963 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,399 Speaker 1: and there was a time where it flashed a little. 964 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,759 Speaker 1: They had ten sacks and back to back games with 965 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: the Bears in the Redskins ten total I'm talking about, 966 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,600 Speaker 1: and then one sack against Tennessee, one sack against Indianapolis, 967 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,800 Speaker 1: and then of course four against Dallas. But Dac was 968 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,520 Speaker 1: sacked well over fifty times, and during that game it 969 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,839 Speaker 1: wasn't as if that was a stunning development. So really 970 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,319 Speaker 1: the sack numbers have fluctuated, but there were very few 971 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,880 Speaker 1: games where you felt the Giants were truly dominating the 972 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: opposing offensive line and setting the tone. And it starts 973 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,279 Speaker 1: there because that makes your secondary look ten times better. 974 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,160 Speaker 1: Whether you have great playmakers back there are opportunistic playmaker. 975 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 1: What's the number I've given to you about sacks? I 976 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,880 Speaker 1: go to the magic number every summer. I go in 977 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,279 Speaker 1: saying you've got to have about forty two sacks on 978 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,880 Speaker 1: the season to be considered a top ten pass rushing defense. 979 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: That's the number to me, forty two. Look at your 980 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,920 Speaker 1: roster and say, can can I get forty two sacks 981 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,359 Speaker 1: out of the guys on my roster? I'm not sure 982 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 1: exactly where forty two would have placed anybody forty two. 983 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,319 Speaker 1: No team had forty two, but forty two would put 984 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: you at four in the NFL fourteenth And how far 985 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 1: away from top ten? How far from the top ten? Well, 986 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 1: let's see, you had, who was ten? Who was ten? Tenth? 987 00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,880 Speaker 1: Was whether a few teams time for Seattle? And what 988 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,200 Speaker 1: do they have Seattle had? Okay, so one one sack 989 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: off from being top ten. That's my point. Forty two 990 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,680 Speaker 1: to me, that's that's the goal. That's what you if 991 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 1: I'm know pretty much, I got guys on this team. 992 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: Who can get me forty two sacks? That's when I 993 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,960 Speaker 1: know I've got myself a decent pass rush that i 994 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 1: can work with. That's the number for me. Yeah, No, 995 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Now, it's not the only element 996 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,200 Speaker 1: because I'm looking I'm looking at the teams that actually, 997 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,839 Speaker 1: for the point is is way too low. But I'm 998 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 1: looking at the teams in the top ten, and a 999 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: lot of them are not even in the playoffs. So 1000 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,920 Speaker 1: that's why it's one indication you still need to be 1001 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,840 Speaker 1: able to know question one. You gotta get off the 1002 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,800 Speaker 1: field on third down. Variety of different factors the Giants. 1003 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,320 Speaker 1: Here's the thing with the Giants. Not only did the 1004 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,600 Speaker 1: Giants defense fall short in the sack department, Paul, they 1005 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,400 Speaker 1: fell short and stopping the run. At times, they fell 1006 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,520 Speaker 1: short and getting off the field. So it was basically 1007 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:45,279 Speaker 1: a culmination of a variety of different factors they plays plays. Ye, 1008 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,239 Speaker 1: let's head back to the phone lines. Christian is in 1009 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,440 Speaker 1: New York. Christian, welcome to Big Blue ke Off Live. 1010 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 1: What do you have for us? Hey? I love Dave Gentelman. Um, 1011 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,640 Speaker 1: there's a couple of things I want to say about him. Um, 1012 00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,720 Speaker 1: I think as far as GM interviews, pretty much everything 1013 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 1: gets read into way too much. But there's one thing 1014 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,040 Speaker 1: he said that he actually, uh kind of practices what 1015 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,760 Speaker 1: he preaches, and that's the drafting the best player overall, 1016 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: the best player available. Um, you know, I really hope 1017 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,239 Speaker 1: that the smoke screen because I feel like you really 1018 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: have to weigh other things in and not just be 1019 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,520 Speaker 1: best player available. Because I mean, what if the running back, 1020 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:31,880 Speaker 1: Like not that there's gonna be that good of a 1021 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,600 Speaker 1: running back this year, but if he felt the best 1022 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 1: player was a running back and he took him at six, 1023 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,120 Speaker 1: that wouldn't be good. I don't think he's going to 1024 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,239 Speaker 1: do that, and I don't think he's taking a kicker 1025 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,279 Speaker 1: or a puncher either. Yeah, no, I get I get 1026 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:49,279 Speaker 1: your point, Christian, Yes, the guiding light is best player available. 1027 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 1: But then at the same time, you still need to 1028 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: look over your roster and say to yourself, well, we 1029 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,839 Speaker 1: can only put so many running backs on the field 1030 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,040 Speaker 1: at the same time, so then maybe we need to 1031 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,680 Speaker 1: at least re evaluate who else is on our list 1032 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 1: or move down under those circumstances. Maybe, maybe, Christian, if 1033 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 1: a running back is let's say, the best guy on 1034 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,040 Speaker 1: their board, maybe they feel, you know what, if we 1035 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,359 Speaker 1: move down, we'll get extra picks and then we'll still 1036 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,440 Speaker 1: be able to target maybe the second guy on our list. 1037 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,320 Speaker 1: So of course there's other ways to maneuver around not 1038 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,880 Speaker 1: necessarily grabbing the first guy on your list. But did 1039 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,640 Speaker 1: you start with the best player available and then you 1040 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:27,640 Speaker 1: work backwards if you have to? Yeah, I mean I 1041 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,120 Speaker 1: I totally see that. It seems like when Dallas built 1042 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,280 Speaker 1: that line, they were leaving some value on the table 1043 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,280 Speaker 1: here and there to eventually get to having an awesome line. 1044 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,920 Speaker 1: And you know, just kind of an example of you know, 1045 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,160 Speaker 1: building an identity and leaving some value once in a 1046 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,840 Speaker 1: while just for the long term. Well, in fairness, no, 1047 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,759 Speaker 1: Christian Zack Martin has been a Pro Bowl offensive line 1048 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,279 Speaker 1: and Travis Fredick has been a Pro Bowl offensive I mean, 1049 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I get your point, but I think they've 1050 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,319 Speaker 1: got a pretty good value from the they fix their 1051 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,400 Speaker 1: line quite the Nelson Pro bowler Brydon Smith actually filled 1052 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,880 Speaker 1: it nicely for some injuries. So it's it's hard to 1053 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: full teams are doing that well. No, but I remember 1054 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,520 Speaker 1: them taking a lot of heat for Travis Frederick in 1055 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,640 Speaker 1: the moment. But it's a difference between taking heat and 1056 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 1: then the results speak for themselves. Well yeah, well yeah. 1057 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,520 Speaker 1: But the other thing I want to say about gentleman is, uh, 1058 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, he is really entertaining to listen to, and 1059 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,320 Speaker 1: he handles the media really well. So I mean, I 1060 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,040 Speaker 1: think it would just I think the fans would really 1061 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,279 Speaker 1: appreciate it if maybe he would just do like two 1062 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,279 Speaker 1: more interviews a year, I mean, at least for a 1063 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,440 Speaker 1: mid season, just to kind of go over everything a 1064 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, because it's not like the guy 1065 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,360 Speaker 1: uh kind of gets It's not like he gets handled 1066 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,759 Speaker 1: by the media. I mean he he does a good job. 1067 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,840 Speaker 1: It's not his first rodeo to you. He's been around 1068 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 1: the block a few times. Will mention it to him, Okay, 1069 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,440 Speaker 1: thanks for cooling well. And it goes back to what 1070 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,680 Speaker 1: I think is Marco who asked earlier in the show, 1071 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,359 Speaker 1: And I get it because, like anything else, Paul, when 1072 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,239 Speaker 1: you have a general manager here. For as long as 1073 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,279 Speaker 1: Jerry Reese was, Jerry Reese did things the way he 1074 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,680 Speaker 1: best saw fit. His procedures were I'm gonna speak right 1075 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,239 Speaker 1: at the beginning of training camp right, really did. Then 1076 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,279 Speaker 1: he had a press conference during the bye week and 1077 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:19,680 Speaker 1: then he had a press conference at the end of 1078 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,759 Speaker 1: the season. That was how Jerry Rees did it. Now 1079 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily keeping tabs on how every other general 1080 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,440 Speaker 1: manager runs things, but I know for a fact that 1081 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,960 Speaker 1: every general manager does not have a formal press conference 1082 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,440 Speaker 1: at training camp, bye week, and after the season. So 1083 00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,960 Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman was certainly not on an island. And as 1084 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,279 Speaker 1: I said, Dave did it his way in Carolina. That's 1085 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,840 Speaker 1: the beauty of when you become a head coach and 1086 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,759 Speaker 1: you've been an assistant all these years. You look at 1087 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,759 Speaker 1: how the head coach Ryan thinks Paul and then he said, 1088 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,880 Speaker 1: you know what, I liked what he did. But you 1089 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,239 Speaker 1: know what, when I'm a head coach, there's gonna be 1090 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,719 Speaker 1: these things that I'm gonna tweak. So once again, Dave 1091 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,880 Speaker 1: does it the way that he best sees fit. I 1092 00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 1: don't disagree with any fan that calls up and says, 1093 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,759 Speaker 1: you'd like to hear from the general manager in an 1094 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,720 Speaker 1: ideal world, I think you'd love to here from everybody 1095 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,560 Speaker 1: every single week so you have more to talk about. 1096 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 1: But once again, I think you also need to respect 1097 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,759 Speaker 1: the fact that just because your predecessor handled it, that 1098 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,640 Speaker 1: way does not mean that you have to follow up. 1099 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,279 Speaker 1: Everybody can have a preference and an opinion, but you're right. 1100 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,319 Speaker 1: You just have to respect what it is he wants 1101 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,600 Speaker 1: to do. And Dave feels you're hearing from the head 1102 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,480 Speaker 1: coach the voice that he wants to be for the 1103 00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,359 Speaker 1: organization are nearly a daily basis. Isn't that enough? Well, 1104 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,920 Speaker 1: I and I get that. And the reason I get 1105 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,120 Speaker 1: that is not that Dave would contradict Pat, but there 1106 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,200 Speaker 1: may be things that get them in addresses that then 1107 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 1: Sherman is going to have to readdress because the media 1108 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,440 Speaker 1: is gonna say, well, Dave said this, what are your thoughts? 1109 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,279 Speaker 1: And if you know that that's what they were doing well, 1110 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,960 Speaker 1: and if he said he said, what do you think 1111 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,040 Speaker 1: about that, it becomes a game and and and that's 1112 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,120 Speaker 1: what That's one of the reasons why I think most gms, 1113 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,480 Speaker 1: not just Dave Gettiman, I think most GM's feel it's 1114 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,680 Speaker 1: not necessary for us to speak during the season. Let 1115 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,839 Speaker 1: the coach address personnel, and then after the season when 1116 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,000 Speaker 1: it's my time to shine because now I get to 1117 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,680 Speaker 1: make roster moves, I'll let you know what I think. 1118 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:03,920 Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines, the guy that 1119 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,759 Speaker 1: we don't always like to hear what he has to think. 1120 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,760 Speaker 1: Charlie is in Portland's Maine. Charlie, welcome to Hey guys, 1121 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,239 Speaker 1: I'm just finishing my comic book. That's beautiful. When do 1122 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,239 Speaker 1: you plan to unveil it? Are you gonna have a 1123 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,200 Speaker 1: comic signing to let let us know what stores and 1124 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,880 Speaker 1: locations you'll be around. We'd love to let the Giants 1125 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 1: fan base. No, the Will beat the story. Yeah, hey, 1126 00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,600 Speaker 1: I just want to let you know Mr Will Hill 1127 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,960 Speaker 1: the Thrill is actually in training working out for the 1128 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,520 Speaker 1: new football league that's coming up. I think this year, 1129 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,040 Speaker 1: this fall, I mean the spring, so hey, you never know, 1130 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,879 Speaker 1: he could be back. Well, if there's anybody that wants 1131 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,080 Speaker 1: to revisit old Giants, it's certainly Charlie from Portland, who 1132 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,439 Speaker 1: we're not surprised to hear that. Yes, just a little 1133 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:51,839 Speaker 1: bit about Gettleman's press conference. Sure, he did mention one 1134 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,440 Speaker 1: player and gave a status of that player this year 1135 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,480 Speaker 1: coming up by saying he isn't going to be traded, 1136 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,680 Speaker 1: and that was Odell. So he did make a statement 1137 00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,080 Speaker 1: about a player, uh In about his status on the team. 1138 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,600 Speaker 1: But Charlie hold on a second. You know that it's 1139 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,800 Speaker 1: impossible for the Giants to trade Beckham. And again the 1140 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,680 Speaker 1: comic books don't tell you this. It's a thirty five 1141 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 1: point five million dollar dead cap hit if they trade 1142 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. Now think about think about this for 1143 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,120 Speaker 1: a second. And and again it's funny how people leave 1144 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,439 Speaker 1: this out of their stories. If the cap is gonna 1145 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,920 Speaker 1: be a hundred and ninety million in two thousand and 1146 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,960 Speaker 1: nineteen and you trade Odell Beckham, I don't care if 1147 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,520 Speaker 1: it's for three first round draft picks. You are now 1148 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,440 Speaker 1: operating with only a hundred and fifty five million because 1149 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna be thirty five point five million of dead 1150 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:46,120 Speaker 1: money against your cap. Why why would any organization give 1151 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 1: up that much cap room even if you wanted to 1152 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,000 Speaker 1: get rid of the guy. That's that's financial suicide. Not 1153 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 1: to mention, you're also pay period not to mention, Charlie 1154 00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,280 Speaker 1: before I'll let you get you. You're also going to 1155 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,680 Speaker 1: be having dead money on your cap and watching him 1156 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,320 Speaker 1: play for another team, which makes a whole lot of sense, 1157 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,560 Speaker 1: doesn't it. And then you got to replace him, by 1158 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,040 Speaker 1: the way, But I would say I was just the 1159 00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,280 Speaker 1: point I was trying to make He did say something 1160 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:15,480 Speaker 1: about a player, Well, it's easy to say that. No, no, no, 1161 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,200 Speaker 1: it's easy to say and what And he didn't say 1162 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,320 Speaker 1: he didn't say what you said exactly his words where 1163 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,800 Speaker 1: he laughed and said we didn't sign him to trade him. 1164 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,640 Speaker 1: Though that's what he said. He didn't say flat out 1165 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm not trading him, or I guarantee you he's on 1166 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,400 Speaker 1: the team. He said we didn't sign him to trade him, 1167 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,240 Speaker 1: which is a very true statement. But what I'm telling 1168 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:42,240 Speaker 1: you is economically it's impossible to trade him anyway, So 1169 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,760 Speaker 1: there is no harm. And even addressing Odell because you're 1170 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:51,680 Speaker 1: talking about a hypothetical that cannot happen. You get it. Yeah, okay, 1171 00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,280 Speaker 1: I get it. And the thing is just you know, 1172 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,160 Speaker 1: listening to what I think is happening. You know, this 1173 00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,960 Speaker 1: is my gut feeling. You know, Um, I say, gentleman, 1174 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,240 Speaker 1: And you know they had their talk with Eli, and 1175 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,080 Speaker 1: I think they put it out like, we can't guarantee 1176 00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,400 Speaker 1: you the starting position, or you know, we can guarantee 1177 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,760 Speaker 1: it for maybe the first game, but we're gonna bring 1178 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,960 Speaker 1: in a veteran, We're gonna we're probably gonna get you know, 1179 00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,680 Speaker 1: we're going to get somebody in the draft. And I 1180 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,040 Speaker 1: just don't know that Eli felt come, it feels comfortable 1181 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,480 Speaker 1: with not having like last year, it was like, you're 1182 00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,720 Speaker 1: our starting quarterback. I don't know if they're going to 1183 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,880 Speaker 1: say that that this time for him, and I think 1184 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,160 Speaker 1: he's the one. It's on him now to decide what 1185 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,600 Speaker 1: he wants to do. Either retire, either take the Giants 1186 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,840 Speaker 1: if the situation, or go to a team like Jacksonville 1187 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:47,000 Speaker 1: or Denver where he will actually be the starting quarterback, 1188 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,160 Speaker 1: probably get a two year deal to be their starting quarterback. 1189 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:56,320 Speaker 1: So I think that's the situation. Elies in what does 1190 00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,280 Speaker 1: he want to do? And um, my gut feeling is 1191 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't know something. When I listened to the press conference, 1192 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,880 Speaker 1: there was just something about it that my gut said, 1193 01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,480 Speaker 1: Eli is not going to be back with the Giants. 1194 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:15,160 Speaker 1: I got the six feeling that this is something going 1195 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,080 Speaker 1: on that I don't think it's it's he's going to 1196 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,680 Speaker 1: be here. But I hope I'm wrong. I hope that's 1197 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:25,480 Speaker 1: not the case. I hope they give him some encouragement 1198 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,880 Speaker 1: and stability of what they want from him, and he's 1199 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,640 Speaker 1: you know, he'll agree to that. But my gut feeling 1200 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,160 Speaker 1: is I think they're not gonna you know, I don't 1201 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,840 Speaker 1: think he wants to be a Curt Warner who's going 1202 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,880 Speaker 1: to play six games and then beyond the bench with 1203 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,760 Speaker 1: a you know, and with a clipboard. He doesn't want that, 1204 01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,680 Speaker 1: and I don't think he thinks that will happen. Though, Charlie, 1205 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,280 Speaker 1: I think I think he believes that the future is 1206 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,680 Speaker 1: bright for this team next season. I think the Giants 1207 01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,360 Speaker 1: front office believes that. And and as a result, I 1208 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,960 Speaker 1: will tell you I felt exactly the opposite of what 1209 01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:58,840 Speaker 1: you were feeling, and I hope that makes you sleep 1210 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,400 Speaker 1: a little better. Well, is the same one who had 1211 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,439 Speaker 1: the gut that Will Beatie would return to the roster 1212 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,560 Speaker 1: every single week this season. So if we go buy 1213 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,240 Speaker 1: Charlie's gut and his track record, I don't know necessarily 1214 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,560 Speaker 1: if you want to put my stocker substance. In all seriousness, though, Charlie, 1215 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,160 Speaker 1: as I indicated the beginning of the show, I do 1216 01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,800 Speaker 1: understand where you're coming from, and I believe that things 1217 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,800 Speaker 1: were set in that room from both sides. That has 1218 01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,760 Speaker 1: to allow them to think about things. And I do 1219 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,520 Speaker 1: think that people are not taking the consideration Eli may 1220 01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,360 Speaker 1: be thinking about things a little bit differently than the 1221 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,920 Speaker 1: giants are, or vice versus. So I think you bring 1222 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,480 Speaker 1: up a valid point. I'm just not necessarily a believer 1223 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,200 Speaker 1: in whatever is coming out of your gut, and I 1224 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:39,880 Speaker 1: think that's on. That's all I'm gonna leave it. Yes, Hey, hey, 1225 01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,760 Speaker 1: we still don't forget Mr Charlie. Don't worry. We will not. 1226 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,160 Speaker 1: We will not be worried about you not being here 1227 01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,480 Speaker 1: to remind us about that all offseason. I could assure 1228 01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,560 Speaker 1: you that too. Appreciate the folk. Thanks Charlie, Charlie in Portland, Maine. 1229 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,760 Speaker 1: It's it's always exciting to end the program off on 1230 01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,080 Speaker 1: a very strong note with Charlie's two cents that he 1231 01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,200 Speaker 1: throws into the program. All right, speaking of the program, am, 1232 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,720 Speaker 1: some news and notes with respect to the logistics of 1233 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,960 Speaker 1: our programs. Number one, there will be no show tomorrow. 1234 01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,400 Speaker 1: Don't be alarmed. The offices are closed. That's why we 1235 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,840 Speaker 1: won't be having Friday's edition a big Blue Kickoff Live. 1236 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna be back up and running Monday through Friday 1237 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,200 Speaker 1: all off season. Okay, we are not leaving for anything. 1238 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,840 Speaker 1: We'll be here to discuss every single detail of the 1239 01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,800 Speaker 1: off season. However, starting on Monday, the show is returning 1240 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,600 Speaker 1: to its usual time of noon Eastern, so hopefully you 1241 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,800 Speaker 1: will be able to adjust your lunch schedule and your 1242 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:35,440 Speaker 1: time off. Okay, well, now I know the shows have fluctuated, 1243 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,080 Speaker 1: but noon is the time that I've always associated Big 1244 01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,560 Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff live. So noon Eastern Monday will be our 1245 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,880 Speaker 1: off season time until we tell you anything differently, we 1246 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,280 Speaker 1: just want you to make sure that you could plan accordingly, 1247 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:48,920 Speaker 1: and obviously you could tune in as always here on 1248 01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,480 Speaker 1: Giants dot Com as well as the Giants Mobile app. 1249 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,200 Speaker 1: We appreciate everybody tuning in, the calls, the tweets for 1250 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,080 Speaker 1: Paul to Tino, I'm Lance metto enjoy your weekend. Will 1251 01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,080 Speaker 1: speak to you on Monday right here on Giants dot Com. 1252 01:02:59,160 --> 01:02:59,560 Speaker 1: Have a going