WEBVTT - Dreaming Big: Lessons from BLP Live EP 434

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<v Speaker 1>Hi. I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist,

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<v Speaker 1>and speaker.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer,

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<v Speaker 2>and course creator. We are two working parents who love

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<v Speaker 2>our careers and our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how real women manage work, family, and time for fun.

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<v Speaker 1>From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals.

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<v Speaker 1>We want you to get the most out of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This

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<v Speaker 1>episode is airing in late November of twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to be talking about dreaming big, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of creating time and space for thinking about your future,

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<v Speaker 1>about planning the upcoming year. In particular, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about our recent experience with Best Laid Plans Live,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a fun little get together that Sarah and

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<v Speaker 1>I were part of a couple weeks ago. But first,

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<v Speaker 1>this is airing the week of Thanksgiving. Sarah, do you

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<v Speaker 1>have any fun family traditions or anything you're doing this year?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, We're doing our kind of usual Thanksgiving this year,

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<v Speaker 2>which doesn't involve travel and is fairly low key. My

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<v Speaker 2>kids are off for an entire week, and that has

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<v Speaker 2>been the case for a few years now, except for

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<v Speaker 2>one random year when the Montessori school decided we'll open

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<v Speaker 2>half a day on Monday and that's it. But beyond

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<v Speaker 2>that they realized that that didn't make any sense, and

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<v Speaker 2>so the public schools, the private schools, pretty much everyone

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<v Speaker 2>in South Florida is off for the entire week of Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 2>and we plan to stick around. We have some family

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<v Speaker 2>gatherings planned. We have a friends Giving that we've been doing,

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<v Speaker 2>I think for the third or fourth year in a

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<v Speaker 2>row now. That usually is on Saturday, and I definitely

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<v Speaker 2>want to see the Wicked sequel.

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<v Speaker 1>Put that on the calendar for sure. Yeah, I need

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<v Speaker 1>to shift my mental model of Thanksgiving. So up until

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<v Speaker 1>this year, our school district had class on Monday and

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday and a half day Wednesday, So in my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanksgiving was not a particularly available weekend or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for travel or anything like that. And plus we all

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<v Speaker 1>often do the actual Thanksgiving meal itself with my side

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<v Speaker 1>of the family, and everyone's within a few hours of here,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's not extensive travel like you just drive to

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<v Speaker 1>either We're hosting or a drive to somebody else's house,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a day trip whatever it's going to be,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're generally not flying anywhere. However, this year they

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<v Speaker 1>switched it. They got rid of half days, which is nice,

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<v Speaker 1>so we do not have school on Wednesday, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was fine. I was like, oh, okay, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't really built that into my mental model, but fine.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I was talking to some people and looked

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<v Speaker 1>at it and realized the elementary and middle schools are

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<v Speaker 1>actually doing conferences on Tuesday, so it wasn't on the

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<v Speaker 1>mass to school district calendar because they don't do like

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<v Speaker 1>individual schools calendar days on there. But three of the

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<v Speaker 1>four children who are home do not have school on

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<v Speaker 1>that day, so and that may be the case in

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<v Speaker 1>the future too, in which case, oh my goodness, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I think we could go somewhere. I mean, that's like

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<v Speaker 1>a major time off, you know. So I'm pondering, like

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<v Speaker 1>in the future if we want to take a trip

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. As it is, we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>sticking around here because I didn't make any last minute

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<v Speaker 1>plans for that, and I'm just gonna be working because

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a lot of work going on. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's different, different mental models. Sometimes the calendar sneaks up

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<v Speaker 1>on you.

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<v Speaker 2>And there is that from a work perspective, it can

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<v Speaker 2>be difficult. I mean, I'm definitely not off all week

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<v Speaker 2>for clinical. I am working Tuesdays, so or Nanny will

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<v Speaker 2>be coming that day. I know I'll be recording a

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<v Speaker 2>ton on Monday as I'm preparing for my book launch.

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<v Speaker 2>And you do have to always remember those work trade offs.

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<v Speaker 2>Where winter break is also coming up for us, that's

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks off. I do travel for that time, and

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<v Speaker 2>it tends to be very busy. From like a annual

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<v Speaker 2>planning leader perspective, I guess. So I don't know for me,

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<v Speaker 2>like as much as it would be nice to travel,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that I'm gonna keep Thanksgiving low key even

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<v Speaker 2>though we have a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, there is true we are traveling over

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas and there will be time off then too, and

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<v Speaker 1>so Thanksgiving comes close before that. So there are trade

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<v Speaker 1>offs at this and as always with controlling your own schedules,

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<v Speaker 1>like well I can do things, should I do things?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, so many things to ponder with that,

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<v Speaker 1>but we will get started on some of the items

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<v Speaker 1>on the holiday fun list. I think we'll wind up

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<v Speaker 1>going to Dutch Wonderland, which is a little I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah probably knows this, but it's a small amusement park

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<v Speaker 1>around here that also does holiday light show displays. And

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<v Speaker 1>they had a flash sale with really cheap tickets. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean not when there are seven people, They're never cheap,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, it was cheaper than a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>other things could have been. So I got that for

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<v Speaker 1>all of us, And we'll probably go to Longwood Gardens,

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<v Speaker 1>which is often challenging to get a reservation for Longwood Christmas,

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<v Speaker 1>but I got the membership where you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>make reservations. That was my investment in my family's flexibility

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<v Speaker 1>for this year. So happy about that. But yeah, are

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<v Speaker 1>you guys doing any holiday stuff over Thanksgiving?

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<v Speaker 2>Or I feel like we kick off our kind of

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<v Speaker 2>fun holiday stuff after. So it's just going to be

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<v Speaker 2>more family focused in Thanksgiving. Like I want to save

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<v Speaker 2>my watching of Elf and our Nutcracker and like that's

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<v Speaker 2>for later and Hankah. This year is it's like mid December.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think our more holiday festivities will start

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<v Speaker 2>post Thanksgiving, although I do plan on doing a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of Black Friday Hanukkah shopping, which we have done in

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<v Speaker 2>years past and has been a nice timing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, I hear that Sarah's kids have already made

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<v Speaker 1>their PowerPoint presentations with their gift requests.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they're quite elaborate. I don't know what that says

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<v Speaker 2>about them, but it does make sure a little bit easier.

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<v Speaker 2>Although we've made it very clear that just because there

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<v Speaker 2>is a slide with something on it does not mean

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<v Speaker 2>you will receive said item, because there's a lot of slides.

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<v Speaker 1>As one of my children made a list that was

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<v Speaker 1>quite long with astis under it saying, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>do not expect everything on this list. This is just

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<v Speaker 1>to give you lots of options to choose from, so

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<v Speaker 1>I will then be surprised. So I respect that. I respect. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So this episode is going to be some reflections from

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<v Speaker 1>our recent Best Laid Plans Live extravaganza, which was in

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<v Speaker 1>South Florida in early November. So Sarah, maybe you can

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<v Speaker 1>tell a little bit about the background of how Best

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<v Speaker 1>Laid Plans Live came to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the idea came to me because Josh and I

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<v Speaker 2>have had several kind of couples getaways that turned into

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<v Speaker 2>many planning trips. They would often happen around our anniversary,

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<v Speaker 2>so midyear or his birthday, which conveniently is towards the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the year, and we'd start going through our

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<v Speaker 2>calendars and kind of setting and I'm like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this should be like a whole formalized thing. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was very attracted to the idea of a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I talk about kind of planning in proportion to the

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<v Speaker 2>level of the time frame that you're planning. So my

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<v Speaker 2>yearly planning should really be I don't want to say, elaborate,

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<v Speaker 2>but thoughtful and not rushed. And so, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing these with Josh, and I think I might

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<v Speaker 2>have said to him or thought about it, like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, anybody could do this and I could like

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<v Speaker 2>prepackage it. And then I was like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if anyone would actually want to come plan with me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also will give a shout out to another

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<v Speaker 2>mother Runner because they hosted running retreats that I had

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<v Speaker 2>always been like, hm, I kind of want to do

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<v Speaker 2>that someday, so haha, won't be doing that, but at

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<v Speaker 2>least I got them as inspo and I even emailed

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<v Speaker 2>or called Sarah and she told me that running retreat

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<v Speaker 2>was incredibly rewarding. This is Sarah from another mother runner,

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<v Speaker 2>not myself, but to be careful because retreats are very

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<v Speaker 2>expensive and it's not a good business plan. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, okay, but that's fine. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>do it anyway, like as long as I come out

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<v Speaker 2>even or whatever, I want to see what this is, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go for it. And so, I mean, it did

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<v Speaker 2>feel kind of risky because I was doing it entirely

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<v Speaker 2>on my own. But this was fall of twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>I had already taught the first round of bestleid Plans Academy,

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<v Speaker 2>so I knew people were interested in planning with me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember if I had actually like floated the

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<v Speaker 2>idea to this group or not, but went ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>launched the tickets. Worked with a hotel, set up a package.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lot of fear about if you reserve

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<v Speaker 2>space and then you don't sell the number of rooms,

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<v Speaker 2>then you can be on the hook for them, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually kind of scary. However, I tried to make

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<v Speaker 2>the contract with enough wiggle rooms so that like I

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<v Speaker 2>could call the whole thing off if it was like

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<v Speaker 2>a total failure, and I wouldn't have to pay for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty rooms or something like that anyway, So it all

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<v Speaker 2>worked out. People signed up. We had about twenty participants

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<v Speaker 2>that first year, including Laura, which was amazing and I

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<v Speaker 2>really appreciated that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she really wanted to come right of course,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, and it was a show of support, and

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<v Speaker 1>we just had a blast.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I remember thinking, oh, you know this, who knows

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<v Speaker 2>these people won't get along whatever, And within like fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>minutes it was like, oh, oh no, this is fine,

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<v Speaker 2>this is going to be fine. I had crafted a

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<v Speaker 2>curriculum and a workbook which I then later ended up

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<v Speaker 2>repurposing for like an at home version, but it seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to really work. There was even more discussion and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of cross talk and cross pollination of different ideas and

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<v Speaker 2>inspiration than I had even imagined.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had a great time.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I also was like, that was so much work,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, not everything's about money, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>I might have like barely broken even who was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I spent so many hours and it was stressful doing

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<v Speaker 2>it on my own. It felt very risky, and I

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<v Speaker 2>said to Laura, like I am not entirely sure I

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<v Speaker 2>can do this again, and she said, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>really really good, Like anything I can do to help,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, make it happen, Lisa's what I remember. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, do you want to do it with me?

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<v Speaker 1>And I did, Yeah, No, I mean it was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fun for me the first year going to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean partly because people who were coming to Sarah's

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<v Speaker 1>retreats sometimes knew me as well, and so they This

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<v Speaker 1>is actually kind of a fun thing of having put

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<v Speaker 1>my life out into the public world for lo these

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<v Speaker 1>many years, is that people who listen to or read

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<v Speaker 1>you like know enough about your life that you get

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<v Speaker 1>to skip like twenty minutes of small talk in your

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<v Speaker 1>first conversation because they already know like, oh that you

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<v Speaker 1>have these kids or you've had these jobs, and you've

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<v Speaker 1>done these things, and so they then start talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the things they know you're going to find most interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it makes her so much better conversations. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, well, this is great. These are already

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<v Speaker 1>my friends. I mean, they're not really my friends. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know them yet, but they became them.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, They are truly like and now they definitely consider

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<v Speaker 2>many of the attendees, I mean really all of them

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<v Speaker 2>feel like friends at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Which was unexpected.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, Like, I don't think I went in thinking

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<v Speaker 2>it was going to feel that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and so it was so much fun and so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted Sarah to do it again, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>tell her we would just go split on it. We

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<v Speaker 1>would run it together. We would split the upsplits, split

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<v Speaker 1>the downside. Right, it's whatever it happens to be.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been amazing because it feels better doing it as

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<v Speaker 2>a team. For me, it feels less stressful, it feels

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<v Speaker 2>more fun. I think we make a really fun team.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get like really like in the weeds about something

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<v Speaker 2>in Laura is like, ugh, it's fine, Like I feel better.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's true. I the upside of I mean, so

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<v Speaker 1>we hold these things in South Florida, which, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's upsides that Sarah's local, like she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to travel there, which you know, travels its own

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<v Speaker 1>special adventure. But on the other hand, that means I

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<v Speaker 1>get to excuse myself from some of the details of

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<v Speaker 1>like hotel choosing and the like. So you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>are pluses and minuses with all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And we actually ended up moving hotels this year

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<v Speaker 2>and it was definitely I'm not saying anything. The prior

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<v Speaker 2>hotel was great, but the hotel we moved to was

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<v Speaker 2>definitely a notch nicer. I feel like it made the

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<v Speaker 2>whole experience more elevated. I got a lot of positive feedback,

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<v Speaker 2>but it did take work to move. As you put.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a coordinator, Amanda, who is amazing. She was

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<v Speaker 2>in attendee as well the first year and has since

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<v Speaker 2>come on as an official coordinator role, and she helped

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<v Speaker 2>me tour different places and helped me select them and

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<v Speaker 2>then also does a lot of the kind of logistics

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<v Speaker 2>work during the conference itself, so that even more, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel like I'm like on the hook for oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, where's the gluten free option that we requested

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<v Speaker 2>at lunch or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we don't have enough forks. Yeah, yeah, so that

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<v Speaker 1>is not something that Sarah I have to think about

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<v Speaker 1>during the retreated itself. Well, we're going to take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick ad break and then we'll be back talking a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more about what happens at Best Laid Plans Live.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are back talking about how to dream big

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<v Speaker 1>about planning the upcoming year, particularly through the lens of

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<v Speaker 1>having just done Best Laid Plans Live, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>retreat that Sarah started in twenty twenty three and that

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<v Speaker 1>I came on as a co host in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four and repeated in twenty twenty five. So Sarah, talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what we actually do at the retreat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll walk you through in case you want to

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<v Speaker 2>create a DIY version or do something like this with friends.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, we spend the first evening and afternoon just

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<v Speaker 2>really like getting to know each other, so it's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of icebreaker type stuff. This year we did a

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<v Speaker 2>low stakes hot takes activity that was really fun, and

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<v Speaker 2>we do like very brief introductions and do some activities

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<v Speaker 2>where people can mingle a little bit, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>sit down and get all quiet and set some intentions

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<v Speaker 2>for the weekend so that people can really think about

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<v Speaker 2>what do they want to come away with having accomplished

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<v Speaker 2>with this protected time. And by the way, it is

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<v Speaker 2>all women that have attended this retreat. We are not

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<v Speaker 2>averse to having anybody of any gender register for our retreat,

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<v Speaker 2>but so far that is the audience we've gotten, and

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<v Speaker 2>many of these women have small kids at home, and

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<v Speaker 2>so for them, not only is it the structured planning

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<v Speaker 2>content they're here for, it's the space to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we want people to take that seriously, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why we do our little intention setting and then

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<v Speaker 2>it's Laura's turn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yay. Yeah. This year I led people through some calendar analysis.

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<v Speaker 1>We had five women track their time for a week,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had talked with them before the event through

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<v Speaker 1>their schedules, and we'd come up with ideas for them

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<v Speaker 1>to try. So we talked about some things that were

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<v Speaker 1>working really well in their lives, and then we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about some challenges they were having, and particularly we focused

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<v Speaker 1>on challenges that might be slightly more broadly applicable. So

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<v Speaker 1>among them was like figuring out what your hobby should be,

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<v Speaker 1>so not just like, oh, I need to find time

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<v Speaker 1>for my hobby. When people are busy enough, they are

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<v Speaker 1>often spending so much mental effort on work and family

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't even know what they would do for fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when time starts to appear, like as your

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<v Speaker 1>kids get older, you become enough good at your job

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't have to put as much mental effort

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<v Speaker 1>into certain things, because they kind of run like clockwork

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<v Speaker 1>because you've set it up so amazingly, like you have

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<v Speaker 1>space to do something else in life, but figuring out

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<v Speaker 1>what that is can be complicated. So we talked about that.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about how to not hate life if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a long commute, like how a long commute can

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<v Speaker 1>be turned into project or gold time. Since I know

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<v Speaker 1>we have a number of listeners and people who are

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<v Speaker 1>attending a retreat who maybe took jobs over the last

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<v Speaker 1>five years that were more fully remote and then have

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<v Speaker 1>become less fully remote as the world has emerged from COVID,

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<v Speaker 1>And while it's fun to be in the office, if

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<v Speaker 1>you maybe purchased your house thinking you had a fully

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<v Speaker 1>remote job and are now facing a very long commute

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<v Speaker 1>two or three times a week, that can be challenging.

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<v Speaker 1>And then spending more time in our zones of genius.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the people who was attending our retreat as

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<v Speaker 1>a religious leader, and so she's leading her congregation, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet because it's sort of a smaller congregation, she's spending

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time on things like furniture assembly and

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<v Speaker 1>property management and an administration. In general, we want our

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<v Speaker 1>religious leaders to spend more time on the spiritual direction

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<v Speaker 1>of their flock, and less time on putting together I

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<v Speaker 1>can't furniture, so trying to figure out for all of

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<v Speaker 1>us how we can spend more time in our zone

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<v Speaker 1>of genius and less on other things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's really interesting because even though you would

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<v Speaker 2>think some of these challenges are so specific, you realize

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<v Speaker 2>how truly universal many of them are. And then not

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<v Speaker 2>only did Laura offer suggestions, but we got some fantastic

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<v Speaker 2>and creative suggestions from all the women around the room

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<v Speaker 2>as well, So it ended up being a really, really

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<v Speaker 2>fun session. I definitely think we should do that next

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<v Speaker 2>year as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we had time for coming up with our

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<v Speaker 1>list of one hundred dreams and for sharing some of

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<v Speaker 1>those in small groups as well. Yes, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>have fun.

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<v Speaker 2>So this retreat again is really supposed to be something

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<v Speaker 2>you look forward to. So we cap that all off

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<v Speaker 2>with the reception the first night, with drinks and fun

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<v Speaker 2>foods and stuff like that. Often there's an after party

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<v Speaker 2>that I skip. I'm more fun later on, but as

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<v Speaker 2>you'll hear, I do like the bulk of the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stand up teaching on the next couple of days,

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<v Speaker 2>so I usually need to go to bed on that

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<v Speaker 2>first night in order to kind of prepare myself. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So then on day two, so the first day is

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<v Speaker 2>a half day, the second day is a full day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>We get up early and there's an optional beat yoga,

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<v Speaker 2>which Laura and I have enjoyed taking part of for

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<v Speaker 2>the last three years now, and then we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>head into hardcore planning modes. So there's a workbook and

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<v Speaker 2>people get out their pens and we go through various exercises.

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<v Speaker 2>We start with visioning type stuff like really long term dreaming,

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about what we want our life to look like

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<v Speaker 2>down the road and really kind of getting specific about that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then zooming back in we look back about how

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<v Speaker 2>the year has gone, which projects we are excited to

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<v Speaker 2>have completed, which projects we are ready to move on from,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe those projects that we wish we had done

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<v Speaker 2>but weren't in the cards for twenty twenty five, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have to think about how we might reframe them

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe add some more support to get them done.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty six. We do like a big calendar

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<v Speaker 2>deep dive, and then we do goal setting, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>like a very spat up version because each of these

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<v Speaker 2>things is usually kind of heads down time where people

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<v Speaker 2>are writing in their workbooks, and then we'll ask people

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<v Speaker 2>to share various things, often crowdsourcing, where there's maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of tension or a dilemma for somebody, like oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to do this, but you know it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>work out, and anybody have the ideas for how that

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<v Speaker 2>might be different This year, We take a break and

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<v Speaker 2>then we do a ton of systems talk, and I

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<v Speaker 2>actually restructure the retreat a little bit this year because

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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of mixed in before where we'd be

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<v Speaker 2>doing goal setting and then we'd kind of pivot to

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<v Speaker 2>and how are you keeping track of these goals? And

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<v Speaker 2>instead we did like all our goal setting kind of

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning, and then the afternoon was about like

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<v Speaker 2>the life systems that enable some of these things to happen,

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<v Speaker 2>like when will you look at your goals lists? And

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<v Speaker 2>how do you plan your week? And how do you

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<v Speaker 2>handle all the loose ends coming at you and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. It's almost like a little mini Bestaid Plans academy.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we relax again so people get a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of downtime, and then we all meet up for dinner,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we have one more night, so the next

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<v Speaker 2>morning there's a little again we always want people to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the right mindset to enjoy themselves a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of outdoor time walking or running, whichever they want.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we talk about a lot of just common

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<v Speaker 2>hot topics, from time for deep focused work, to sharing

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<v Speaker 2>the load with your partner, to managing technology. Meal planning,

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<v Speaker 2>that's Laura's favorite part. I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>We could run a whole retreat on meal planning and.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's the spinoff.

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<v Speaker 1>Just kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, and then there's usually tons of conversation by that

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<v Speaker 2>point because everyone really feels like they know each other.

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<v Speaker 2>We do some fun stuff like go around the room

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<v Speaker 2>and share either like a fun you know, a love

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<v Speaker 2>of the week or a word of the year, things

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<v Speaker 2>like that, or one big goal we're hoping to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to give positive news on the next year. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we wrap up and everyone's really really sad to leave,

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<v Speaker 2>including me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I was sad to leave, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that is true. Well, you got to enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>some extra time with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I were lucky. I did get to enjoy some extra

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<v Speaker 1>time with Sarah. So this was early November. Thankfully we're

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<v Speaker 1>through this now, but listeners may recall that the government

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<v Speaker 1>shut down and the flight cancelations and such was happening

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<v Speaker 1>right at this time, and so a number of people

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<v Speaker 1>had delayed or canceled flights. My flight to Philadelphia was canceled,

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<v Speaker 1>so I didn't get out till the next day. But

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<v Speaker 1>the upside is I got to hang out with Sarah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we had thirty attendees and almost all of

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<v Speaker 2>them flew in. There were a couple of Florians, but

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<v Speaker 2>most were not local, and I think you were the

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<v Speaker 2>only one that got stuck overnight.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, say, I'm just blessed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but we had a fun dinner and she slept

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<v Speaker 2>over in my living room and it was great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly. So you know, the idea is you

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<v Speaker 1>want to come out of this with ideas for the

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<v Speaker 1>next year and ways to think about your next year,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, looking at what time is available and

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<v Speaker 1>how our goals are going to actually fit in our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>I came out of it with a few things. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we won't spoil our goals episode, but you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>even like random stuff like I want to actually wear

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<v Speaker 1>my jewelry. I tend to forget to put it on.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, I need to plan my next

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<v Speaker 1>get together with Sarah, for it's always a treat when

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<v Speaker 1>I am coming through a northern winter to February March

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<v Speaker 1>head down to Florida for another best of both world's

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<v Speaker 1>retreat with Sarah. So I realize, I need to get

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<v Speaker 1>that on the calendar. So we have a rough date

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<v Speaker 1>for that now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I had like a revelation that I can

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<v Speaker 2>combine my desire to see fall leaves with my desire

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<v Speaker 2>to see my college friends. So going to work on

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<v Speaker 2>that and I would say my incomplete but line of

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<v Speaker 2>thinking is like I need a running replacement and what

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<v Speaker 2>will that be? So I just started really thinking about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And we have now had some of the same

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<v Speaker 1>attendees who have been there for three years, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we were starting to hear various goals that people set

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<v Speaker 1>in the past that have happened, whether that's homes that

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<v Speaker 1>have been remodeled, books published, new jobs landed, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>people say that they didn't do something but they want

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<v Speaker 1>to repeat it, which is fine. I know Sarah's had

0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.560
<v Speaker 1>the experience of sometimes goals not happening one year and

0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.639
<v Speaker 1>then she decides to reset it and it eventually does.

0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we talk about how if you do have a

0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:40.760
<v Speaker 2>goal that wasn't meant you still want to do it,

0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:44.119
<v Speaker 2>you probably need to approach it differently, Like whatever you

0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:46.680
<v Speaker 2>were throwing at it before wasn't enough, But that doesn't

0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:48.399
<v Speaker 2>mean that you need to cross it off the list.

0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, my book was on my hundred Dreams list

0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:53.080
<v Speaker 2>for many years before it came to fruition.

0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we're going to take one more quick ad

0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:58.480
<v Speaker 1>break and then we'll be back talking about ways you

0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:14.200
<v Speaker 1>can kind of diy then if you would like to, well,

0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.560
<v Speaker 1>we are back talking about our experiences at Best Laid

0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Plans Live. A few weeks ago or we had thirty

0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:24.080
<v Speaker 1>attendees come to South Florida to think through our upcoming

0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:30.479
<v Speaker 1>year and meet some great friends, have a good time together. So, Sarah,

0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:32.880
<v Speaker 1>does everyone need to come to South Florida? I guess

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:35.119
<v Speaker 1>we can't have everyone who listens to this come, Although

0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:36.040
<v Speaker 1>fun as that would be.

0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I know we can't. And like side note, like we

0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.440
<v Speaker 2>keep talking about like do we want to make it bigger?

0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Because we know more? We did have a waiting list,

0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:46.760
<v Speaker 2>and everyone seems to want to come back, but we're

0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:49.560
<v Speaker 2>not entirely sure. We're thinking about it, we're thinking about

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:51.919
<v Speaker 2>the structure. But assuming that you are not able to

0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:53.760
<v Speaker 2>make it to join us live, there are so many

0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.000
<v Speaker 2>other things you can do. You can absolutely DEI why

0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:57.760
<v Speaker 2>this with your partner again, this started with me and

0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:01.399
<v Speaker 2>Josh doing it, So with a friend by yourself, you

0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:03.960
<v Speaker 2>can create an agenda for yourself. I think the main

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:08.359
<v Speaker 2>ingredients you need are protected time and an idea or

0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:10.359
<v Speaker 2>some kind of structure, whether you make it up or

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:13.359
<v Speaker 2>get it from somebody else, of what you want to plan.

0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:15.800
<v Speaker 2>And I think adding a dash of fun and relaxation

0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:18.800
<v Speaker 2>really is going to help this be successful and something

0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.720
<v Speaker 2>that you look forward to. If you want a kind

0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:25.160
<v Speaker 2>of very similar version to what we do live, that's

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:28.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of given to you already pre structured. My program

0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:31.679
<v Speaker 2>Best Laid Plans at Home Planning twenty twenty six is

0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:34.680
<v Speaker 2>basically the same content. The workbook is designed a little

0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:37.280
<v Speaker 2>bit differently. Instead of beach Theming, it is ski and

0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 2>winter Theming this year because it always takes place at

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the end of the year, and I'm going for like

0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:46.119
<v Speaker 2>cozy lodge vibes instead of palm trees. But it is

0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 2>really many of the same exercises, a lot of that

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:51.879
<v Speaker 2>same heads down time, me providing it for you via zoom.

0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:55.680
<v Speaker 2>And so I really love teaching this course. Every year

0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:58.359
<v Speaker 2>it's grown, and I do still like it to be

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:02.359
<v Speaker 2>a size where people can So I do three showings now,

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:05.200
<v Speaker 2>one in December, one in January, and then one I

0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:07.960
<v Speaker 2>think it's also in January. That's weekend, so that if

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:10.000
<v Speaker 2>people don't have time during the work week due to

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:12.399
<v Speaker 2>a less flexible work schedule, you can actually catch it

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 2>with me. I don't even remember if it's Saturday, air Sunday.

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:15.359
<v Speaker 1>It iss on my website.

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:17.920
<v Speaker 2>All that information you can find at the shoebox dot

0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:19.400
<v Speaker 2>com slash courses.

0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I was thinking about it if I were

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 1>going to do this on my own, what elements I

0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:27.640
<v Speaker 1>would probably include. I would definitely carve out space for

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:29.719
<v Speaker 1>that list of one hundred dreams, so sort of an

0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.639
<v Speaker 1>unedited what do I want in the future in my

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:36.720
<v Speaker 1>life then sort of drill it down, like what on

0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:40.680
<v Speaker 1>this list do I think might be fun to take

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:44.679
<v Speaker 1>on over the next year, Right, So professionally, what do

0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:46.560
<v Speaker 1>I want to be talking about at the end of

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 1>the next year that I've done that, I'm going to

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 1>be raising my champagne glass to toast how an amazing

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 1>a year it was, What like three to five things

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:57.400
<v Speaker 1>would I be excited about? And in my personal life too,

0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, if I'm talking with my face family at

0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:03.639
<v Speaker 1>our extended family get together at the end of the

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:06.320
<v Speaker 1>next year, and I'm telling about what we did over

0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>the year, like, well my family did, what was so fun?

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:13.359
<v Speaker 1>What accomplishments or experiences would I be talking about, Like,

0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:15.920
<v Speaker 1>these are the highlights of my year over the next year.

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>And then you know, if there's any sort of long

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:20.719
<v Speaker 1>term projects I like to do every year with you know,

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:24.399
<v Speaker 1>reading or listening to or writing something, so thinking about that,

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:26.359
<v Speaker 1>you know how I could take that big list and

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:29.119
<v Speaker 1>pull it down. I do think it's also helpful to

0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:33.320
<v Speaker 1>do a version of like an ideal week schedule, because

0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:37.400
<v Speaker 1>whatever goals you are going to set in life have

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 1>to fit in the one hundred and sixty eight hours

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:44.120
<v Speaker 1>you have each week. We are not going to become

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:47.280
<v Speaker 1>entirely different people in the new year. We are going

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 1>to have many of the same constraints we have currently,

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:52.400
<v Speaker 1>and so you need to sort of analyze your schedule,

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:55.399
<v Speaker 1>not saying everything that's happening now has to happen then,

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:58.679
<v Speaker 1>but roughly the times that are flexible are going to

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 1>be the times that are flexible in the future. You

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:02.359
<v Speaker 1>could make some tweaks, but what would those be in

0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:05.080
<v Speaker 1>order to free up more space, Maybe you decide because

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:08.280
<v Speaker 1>that's going to suggest some goals in and of itself. Right, Like,

0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 1>if you have a hobby you want to start doing

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:12.960
<v Speaker 1>on the weekends, but you have young kids, one of

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:16.199
<v Speaker 1>the steps toward that is either going to be working

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 1>out a specific trade off time with your partner or

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:21.919
<v Speaker 1>a friend or another family member so that you have

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 1>that protected time, or it's going to be hiring a

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:26.879
<v Speaker 1>sitter who can come stay with your kids during that time.

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 1>But those are all going to be suggested by doing

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:34.120
<v Speaker 1>that ideal week exercise. So big list, hone it down

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:37.240
<v Speaker 1>to one year, look at the schedule, see where it

0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:37.719
<v Speaker 1>can fit in.

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I would even also just add look at what's already planned,

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 2>because many of us have stuff coming up next year

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 2>that might be really big, and if you don't take

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 2>those like kind of big rocks into consideration, that's it's

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 2>sort of like the ideal year in a way. I

0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 2>mean not really, but just like all of these goals

0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 2>have to be grounded in reality, and like if you're

0:27:55.840 --> 0:28:00.280
<v Speaker 2>having a baby in March, then that might alter to

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 2>forget that, but other medium sized things you might not

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 2>think about.

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I kind of forgotten. One of the things

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 1>that's happening this year is, you know, in terms of travel,

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 1>like I will probably attend my twenty fifth college reunion

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 1>in May, and I don't have to go far, but

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:17.280
<v Speaker 1>it will be a whole long weekend of stuff, and

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:21.159
<v Speaker 1>so I had sort of not really remembered that, so

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking through the year that that would be

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 1>coming up. So put that in and it'll be fun.

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll see people that I haven't seen in a while.

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.679
<v Speaker 2>That'll be great. Yeah, your review of the year will

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 2>yield little discoveries like that, and then you can.

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Plan around them.

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:35.640
<v Speaker 2>But things you're already excited to do.

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely. But you'll hear the goals that we set

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>in our upcoming Goals episode, which Sarah will make sure

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 1>that we do.

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 2>We are definitely doing it on the schedule.

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 1>So we have this question. We mentioned that list of

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 1>one hundred dreams idea that sort of long unedited list

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>of anything you want to spend more time doing or

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 1>goals you want to accomplish over the course of your life.

0:28:57.840 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 1>So Sarah and I have both made several of these,

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>and a listener asked us, what do you do with

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 1>your old list of one hundred dreams? So, Sarah, what

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 1>do you do with yours?

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 2>I've have hazardly kept them, like some I've snapped pictures

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 2>of and put them in the blog. Some of them

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 2>I'll like take a picture and I have a folder

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 2>and Apple notes that says it's my Sunday Mimi, and

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 2>then I have a bunch of pictures of one hundred

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>dreams lists there.

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 2>I do, however, like to start from scratch when I

0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:25.200
<v Speaker 2>do the exercise, because it doesn't take like seven hours

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 2>to write a hundred dreams. It probably takes an hour, honestly,

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.719
<v Speaker 2>if you're really well. I tend to be quick at

0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:32.400
<v Speaker 2>this type of thing, so it takes me about an hour.

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 2>And I would rather not necessarily be prompted by what

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 2>was on my old list, Like I think be fun

0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 2>to look at the old list afterward, but actually be like,

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 2>as of now, what are the things that I want

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 2>to do? So I don't pay tons of attention to

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 2>keeping it, and I don't think of it as like

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it is an interesting idea that it's like

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 2>a time horizon above the year, and you're going to

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 2>select your year list from it, And it sounds like

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>you do that a little bit more, I don't. I

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:57.840
<v Speaker 2>use it more as like a idea hub off in

0:29:57.920 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 2>the clouds of my brain that will get pulled from

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 2>when and I feel like it.

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So mine are on my blog. I have one

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 1>from twenty ten, I have one from twenty fifteen. I

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 1>have one from twenty eighteen, which sounds like I'm probably

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 1>due to write another one, Sarah. Maybe we need to

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 1>both do these soon.

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, although I don't I mean some of them. Is

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>all of it bloggable? I don't know.

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, probably all of us not bloggable, and so

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:29.480
<v Speaker 1>I would need to think that through as well. But

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:32.120
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of fun to look back at the old

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>ones because a reasonable number of things on the twenty

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:40.160
<v Speaker 1>ten list have happened, some have not, and then some

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 1>I realize, like, I have no interest in this anymore.

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 1>And that's also good to know, because life changes, and

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's fun to look through past ones with that

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 1>in mind because yeah, you know, totally don't have to

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 1>keep our goals forever.

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 2>No, it's just a it's not a life report card either,

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 2>It's just a list you generated on a given day,

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:02.560
<v Speaker 2>on a given day.

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 1>All right, So love of the week, Sarah, Mine is

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 1>going to be going to live events. I mean, post

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 1>pandemic is really cool to see people in person, obviously,

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 1>even if there is the risk of flight cancelation. These

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 1>are the downsides we sometimes accept in order to see

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>people in person. And I would tell people it is

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 1>often worth getting on a plane. There's often reasonable airfares

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 1>to get places. When air travel works, it is very

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>very fast. I mean like literally I'm in the Philadelphia

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 1>airport and like two hours later, I'm in South Florida.

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 1>It's just incredible. When it works. There are sometimes complications,

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 1>but when it works, it's great. So if you have

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 1>friends you would like to get together with, you don't

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:55.480
<v Speaker 1>necessarily need to be so precious about this. Like you

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 1>could just choose a weekend, get on a plane on

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Friday evening and come back Sunday night and go see

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.600
<v Speaker 1>them and you'd probably really enjoy it.

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Definitely, Well, my level of the week, I'm going a

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:09.520
<v Speaker 2>little basic here. I had book club last night, and

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm just so happy I have a book club. Like

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 2>it's just a fun thing to have on the calendar,

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 2>and I hope I continue to do it going forward.

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:20.239
<v Speaker 2>And this is your encouragement that you know, if you're

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 2>telling yourself a story that like you can't do something

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.239
<v Speaker 2>like that, visit a friend or be part of a

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 2>community group because I don't know, it would be a

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:31.400
<v Speaker 2>pain to fit it in question yourself, like what are

0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 2>the actual barriers?

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you can probably make it happen. And just

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 1>to shout out here, We're going to be doing a

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:41.720
<v Speaker 1>couple book club picks with our Patreon community for Best

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>of Both Worlds over the next year. We'll be publishing

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 1>our curriculum for twenty twenty six very soon.

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 2>And I'm super excited about it.

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's good.

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 2>It's more interactive. I think like we are going to

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's obviously voluntary, but we're going to be

0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 2>hosting basically challenges every single month with follow up on

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:03.239
<v Speaker 2>those things, and I think people are gonna love it.

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm excited for it.

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So for any new listeners, our podcast, The Best

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 1>of Both Worlds has a Patreon community, so you can

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 1>go over to patreon dot com and search for that

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Best of Both Worlds podcasts. We have a very active

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 1>forum where we have usually three discussions a week on

0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 1>a topic related to work in life and people, our

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<v Speaker 1>general age of building careers, raising families, things that might

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<v Speaker 1>be of interest to us. And then we have monthly

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<v Speaker 1>Zoom meetups. We get to chat about these topics in

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<v Speaker 1>a more interactive way. And it's just been so much

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<v Speaker 1>fun to meet listeners and some of whom have come

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<v Speaker 1>to Best Laid Plans Live, but not everyone, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we get to meet other people as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it's always fun when the other direction happens

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<v Speaker 2>when you know someone from Patreon and then you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, you're real and you meet them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So encourage people to check that out. We'd love

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<v Speaker 1>to have more folks join us over the next year. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this has been Best of Both Worlds. We have been

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<v Speaker 1>talking Best Laid Plans Live, how it worked, and how

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<v Speaker 1>you might diy your own version of this, but we

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<v Speaker 1>will most likely be doing a end of twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six Best Laid Plans Live Planning twenty twenty seven. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to think about that. Put that on your

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<v Speaker 1>radar for the next year. We'll probably announce this signups

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<v Speaker 1>in March, so stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 2>For that if you want to save the dates, probably

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<v Speaker 2>November fifth through seventh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, well, this has been best of both worlds.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back next week with more on making work

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<v Speaker 1>and life fit together.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the

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<v Speaker 2>shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has

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<v Speaker 1>been the best of Both Worlds podcasts. Please join us

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<v Speaker 1>next time for more on making work and life work together.